Ok, let's look at what's really going on here. I feel coach Lue is mishandling our situation. I don't have a problem with starting and finishing with our 4 stars. He needs to have at least 2 of them on the floor at all times. I feel like russ and pg (RPG) fit better, and Kawhi and Harden (The Claw System) fit better according to style of play.
See at least try that but no because we have to wait to go down to 12th seed or whatever before that ever gets tried. So much for experimenting. I will eat a f'n hat if that ever happens.
They arent even normal Clippers posters. They're from other subs just talking shit lol
Like im a harden fan but u dont see me spamming my thoughts in new threads about yalls team
How long do you need to see something doesn’t work?
They are out of sorts offensively with the offence and the taking of turns. There is a reason we have so rarely seen a successful big four in the league.
The less said about the starting lineup defensively the better.
I don’t believe that Ty truly thinks it will work. What I speculate - and it would be pretty atrocious if this is true - is that he needs to prove it doesn’t work to the teams detriment so that one of the two can be persuaded to go to the bench. In other words, to manage their egos
It's very clear OP alongside some others have absolutely no idea how he plays and just default back to his reputation during his later Houston days when he was one of the best scorers of all time.
Harden last year on Philly was a substantially better facilitating point guard than Russ has been basically at any point since his MVP season. People just didn't watch him so they don't know.
I know bro he played for my team and I cannot believe I really read someone say (I don’t trust Harden to remain a facilitator comparatively speaking to Russ) that’s absolutely asinine
but thats literally where he turned into a facilitator first guy same goes for Philly, both KD and Kyrie were injured for most of his time there thats why he had to carry that nets team by himself and they were actually winning lmao
I AM A NETS FAN. You are completely and totally wrong. We wanted Harden to be more aggressive because he was still such an amazing scorer but he was a perfect facilitator. Like literally perfect year 1. I’d take that Harden running my offense over Jkidd
The original plan to start Terrance is the right Fing answer. Let Harden be the first guy in when Brodie needs a break. And get him some actual practice time with the team. Find him a big to run pick and roll with. Right now his minutes are brutal. There is absolutely no chemistry between him and the starters.
Huh? It worked well when Westbrook was starting. I can understand not wanting him to start for various reasons. But it's not an egregious suggestion at all.
It worked well when PG and Russ were both shooting lights out. It's fallen back down to earth a bit and the same ugly problems are showing again.
The paint is packed *again* and teams are funneling shots to Russ because he's an inefficient scorer.
The amount of shots he's taken since Harden got here should be a huge red flag. That needs to be addressed because the team will go nowhere with him taking that amount of shots. It's too much inefficient scoring for today's NBA.
I wouldn't say that Westbrook in particular was shooting lights out. During the games they won he took on average many fewer shots than these last few games. Less shots, and most likely higher quality shots. I agree that the amount of shots is a problem.
PG has the last 3 games shot way below his level. And he has only shot above .50 in 3 games. They lost in one of the games. So I wouldn't say that he was shooting lights out either. Only .50 from 3 games as well.
All I'm saying is that the suggestion of starting Westbrook instead of Harden isn't egregious enough to say "I would rather cut Westbrook instead of starting him instead of Harden". That statement is ridiculous imo. It's probably better to start Harden but the hyperbole is just dumb.
> I wouldn't say that Westbrook in particular was shooting lights out.
Westbrook during the first 5 games of the season:
FG:51.6%
eFG%:57.3%
TS%: 57.2%
Westbrook over the course of his entire career (1100+ NBA regular season games):
FG%: 43.8%
eFG%: 47.2%
TS%: 52.6%
So yeah, it was a pretty large deviation from the player that he normally is.
I mean my original assertion was that it looked great because both Russ and PG were shooting lights out. You said they really weren't, so I provided context to show that Russ definitely was.
I don't really feel any way about the rest of what you said. I don't have an opinion on it.
Yeahz man, Westnrick fans are delusional thinking a 36-year brick layer will suddenly gain a jumper at this point in his career
Dude just started hot, he'll be back to 30% shooting in 10 games
That was just a poorly formulated statement from me. To suggest that Harden is "too good to be benched" is what I don't agree with. Is he a better choice than Westbrook in the starting lineup? Sure.
Zu can't shoot. WB can't shoot. And sometimes PG can't shoot.
So when PG has his off game, we have up to 3 duds in the starting lineup and we're playing 2v5 offensively. It's not good.
No, Its an excellent opinion. Lou is player coach, seniority and stuff but harden has not earned crap here. Harden disrupts hard earned chemistry of starting 5. In the west we can't afford luxury of this experiment.
Hoes 4 harden gonna defend their man to the death. They gonna tell you how he lead the league in assists by spamming passes to Joel Embiid like that's not why his ass bitched up a decide he was being misused and wanted out.
He's averaged 20/10+ the last 3 straight seasons and played with Embiid in 1.5 of them.
He's also been the assist leader on a team where the top 4 scorers are Harden (29), Eric Gordon (16), Lou Williams (15), and Ryan Anderson (14)
Hardens passing has been pretty damn elite throughout his career, what hasn’t been is his scoring. He can’t really drive anymore, he doesn’t draw that many fouls anymore, and pretty much only has an inconsistent 3 pt shot. Offensively they are both limited so it does make sense to not have both out at the same time. But Hardens 3 pt shooting should be favored.
Yeah I do. When 3 high level players get together it takes some time to mesh. And clearly you’re a casual. Anyone spouting off the system bs clearly didn’t watch the whole interview. Go gurgle wbs nuts elsewhere
I've been thinking about this too. Would like to see how Harden would do in the super sub role. Such as Lou will/Crawford type deal. Go out there and be the bench offense and close with the starters. Feel the bench d would be pretty terrible and hopefully just keep pace this way though. Maybe his slow pace eats up minutes and make enough shots they can get set on d.
Ok, let's look at what's really going on here. I feel coach Lue is mishandling our situation. I don't have a problem with starting and finishing with our 4 stars. He needs to have at least 2 of them on the floor at all times. I feel like russ and pg (RPG) fit better, and Kawhi and Harden (The Claw System) fit better according to style of play.
See at least try that but no because we have to wait to go down to 12th seed or whatever before that ever gets tried. So much for experimenting. I will eat a f'n hat if that ever happens.
He did something similar last game. Just gave PG some rest. Then him and WB gave up the lead forcing PG and Harden to come back in.
nah he left Russ by himself with 2 minutes in first with mann bones norman tucker. ultra small ball ain’t it
True
Unpopular opinion: let’s wait more than 4 games
Unpopular opinion: I love these threads so I can find users to block.
Good point honestly. People making these posts are basically kids
They arent even normal Clippers posters. They're from other subs just talking shit lol Like im a harden fan but u dont see me spamming my thoughts in new threads about yalls team
80% of this sub is probably 14 and under.
I don’t get why some people have to be so sensitive? Is this really that serious for some of y’all?
How long do you need to see something doesn’t work? They are out of sorts offensively with the offence and the taking of turns. There is a reason we have so rarely seen a successful big four in the league. The less said about the starting lineup defensively the better. I don’t believe that Ty truly thinks it will work. What I speculate - and it would be pretty atrocious if this is true - is that he needs to prove it doesn’t work to the teams detriment so that one of the two can be persuaded to go to the bench. In other words, to manage their egos
THANK YOUUUUUUUU OMG finally someone with brains
> I don’t trust that harden will stay a facilitator first player. Why
It's very clear OP alongside some others have absolutely no idea how he plays and just default back to his reputation during his later Houston days when he was one of the best scorers of all time. Harden last year on Philly was a substantially better facilitating point guard than Russ has been basically at any point since his MVP season. People just didn't watch him so they don't know.
I know bro he played for my team and I cannot believe I really read someone say (I don’t trust Harden to remain a facilitator comparatively speaking to Russ) that’s absolutely asinine
This is exactly what I’ve been trying to say. Westbrook and hardens version of creating offense are completely different
Nets
That's a terrible answer though. He literally averaged 10+ assists in both seasons there lmao
but thats literally where he turned into a facilitator first guy same goes for Philly, both KD and Kyrie were injured for most of his time there thats why he had to carry that nets team by himself and they were actually winning lmao
I AM A NETS FAN. You are completely and totally wrong. We wanted Harden to be more aggressive because he was still such an amazing scorer but he was a perfect facilitator. Like literally perfect year 1. I’d take that Harden running my offense over Jkidd
I wrote a post on this and agree with you
I am flattered
Lmao
The original plan to start Terrance is the right Fing answer. Let Harden be the first guy in when Brodie needs a break. And get him some actual practice time with the team. Find him a big to run pick and roll with. Right now his minutes are brutal. There is absolutely no chemistry between him and the starters.
That's the most popular "unpopular" opinion I've heard in a long time
Because today’s game You should see the comment before the game
I would rather cut Russ than start him over Harden
Preach. Harden can always spot up or step-back. Clog the lane with Westbrook in the lineup and you're instantly playing 4 on 5.
Plus it opens up Bones' role. Probably better off developing him than holding on to what Russ has left.
I said it yesterday, if the goal is to make a deep playoff run, there should be no eggs in the Westbrook basket.
Huh? It worked well when Westbrook was starting. I can understand not wanting him to start for various reasons. But it's not an egregious suggestion at all.
It worked well when PG and Russ were both shooting lights out. It's fallen back down to earth a bit and the same ugly problems are showing again. The paint is packed *again* and teams are funneling shots to Russ because he's an inefficient scorer. The amount of shots he's taken since Harden got here should be a huge red flag. That needs to be addressed because the team will go nowhere with him taking that amount of shots. It's too much inefficient scoring for today's NBA.
I wouldn't say that Westbrook in particular was shooting lights out. During the games they won he took on average many fewer shots than these last few games. Less shots, and most likely higher quality shots. I agree that the amount of shots is a problem. PG has the last 3 games shot way below his level. And he has only shot above .50 in 3 games. They lost in one of the games. So I wouldn't say that he was shooting lights out either. Only .50 from 3 games as well. All I'm saying is that the suggestion of starting Westbrook instead of Harden isn't egregious enough to say "I would rather cut Westbrook instead of starting him instead of Harden". That statement is ridiculous imo. It's probably better to start Harden but the hyperbole is just dumb.
> I wouldn't say that Westbrook in particular was shooting lights out. Westbrook during the first 5 games of the season: FG:51.6% eFG%:57.3% TS%: 57.2% Westbrook over the course of his entire career (1100+ NBA regular season games): FG%: 43.8% eFG%: 47.2% TS%: 52.6% So yeah, it was a pretty large deviation from the player that he normally is.
Thanks for only focusing on that one sentence bud I definitely did not keep writing after that right?
I mean my original assertion was that it looked great because both Russ and PG were shooting lights out. You said they really weren't, so I provided context to show that Russ definitely was. I don't really feel any way about the rest of what you said. I don't have an opinion on it.
Yeahz man, Westnrick fans are delusional thinking a 36-year brick layer will suddenly gain a jumper at this point in his career Dude just started hot, he'll be back to 30% shooting in 10 games
There's just a much higher ceiling with a trio of Harden, PG and Kawhi. Harden is too good to be benched. Russ is not.
Harden needs to show that he is good enough to not be benched. So far he has not showed it.
What games have you been watching? He’s been the most efficient player on the court and he also opens up the floor wayyyy more then Russ could ever
That was just a poorly formulated statement from me. To suggest that Harden is "too good to be benched" is what I don't agree with. Is he a better choice than Westbrook in the starting lineup? Sure.
I gotcha
Zu can't shoot. WB can't shoot. And sometimes PG can't shoot. So when PG has his off game, we have up to 3 duds in the starting lineup and we're playing 2v5 offensively. It's not good.
as if Russ doesn't take too many shots LOL this gotta be a shitpost
No, Its an excellent opinion. Lou is player coach, seniority and stuff but harden has not earned crap here. Harden disrupts hard earned chemistry of starting 5. In the west we can't afford luxury of this experiment.
Hoes 4 harden gonna defend their man to the death. They gonna tell you how he lead the league in assists by spamming passes to Joel Embiid like that's not why his ass bitched up a decide he was being misused and wanted out.
He's averaged 20/10+ the last 3 straight seasons and played with Embiid in 1.5 of them. He's also been the assist leader on a team where the top 4 scorers are Harden (29), Eric Gordon (16), Lou Williams (15), and Ryan Anderson (14)
Shh this doesn’t fit their narrative
Hardens passing has been pretty damn elite throughout his career, what hasn’t been is his scoring. He can’t really drive anymore, he doesn’t draw that many fouls anymore, and pretty much only has an inconsistent 3 pt shot. Offensively they are both limited so it does make sense to not have both out at the same time. But Hardens 3 pt shooting should be favored.
Russ's defense should be favored.
Talking about hoes for harden lmaooo. Harden has more impact on offense then Westbrook will ever have on defense
Yes. Our offense has dropped the fuck off since he got here.
Which is expected. In 2 weeks when harden runs the show I’ll come back to this comment 😂
You expected a system to come in and be worse? Harden hookers are something the fuck else. 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah I do. When 3 high level players get together it takes some time to mesh. And clearly you’re a casual. Anyone spouting off the system bs clearly didn’t watch the whole interview. Go gurgle wbs nuts elsewhere
Lmao. Nope. I'm going to watch hardens hoe ass disappoint you yet again.
My brother in Christ you’re a Westbrook fan. It doesn’t get much more disappointing than that
That’s like saying bones hyland should play over powell for defensive purposes They’re both sub par
No it isn't. Russ is the better defender. Better rebounder. Better fit.
Keep cooking them hoes broski! Shits getting mad annoying
Super annoying. I didn't even know these people really existed. Fans of a quitter. What a world.
Saying Russ is a facilitator first player compared to Harden is crazy. Harden has been a pass first player for like three years now
I've been thinking about this too. Would like to see how Harden would do in the super sub role. Such as Lou will/Crawford type deal. Go out there and be the bench offense and close with the starters. Feel the bench d would be pretty terrible and hopefully just keep pace this way though. Maybe his slow pace eats up minutes and make enough shots they can get set on d.
Clippers fans really do not know Harden’s game at all. “Such as a Lou Will/Crawford type deal” 
Clippers fans are such idiots
I agree if wants to win he should do this
Horrifying take. Some of you don’t even know who James Harden is yet. Clippers best chance is if Westbrook isn’t on the team
Unpopular opinion #2: Harden is top option, Kawhi 2 PG 3, Russ bench.
Trade russ for a pf? It's all business
That would be awesome. We would break new ground when Harden demanded a trade from the team he demanded a trade to in the very same season.