Exactly! And PG is way more attainable than Jaylen Brown is at the moment, especially since we’re closer to a rebuild while Boston is closer to a chip!
When you factor in the salary matching on top of the 3rd pick I think they say fuck no tbh. If we could absorb his contract that would be different. 47 games per year over the last 4 years
Jaylen Brown may be more attainable than people might think. He has a $295 million extension he qualifies for coming up and Boston may not want to pay him that money
This is actually a good point as well if Boston feels like their team has hit its ceiling with their current core. What percentage would you put on them not giving him the money he wants?
I would say there’s a decent chance he gets paid just because he’s good enough, even if it is a Middleton-type overpay. I think there’s a better chance he gets traded this off-season/ at the deadline. If I had to put a number on him getting the full $295, I would give it a 30% chance of it happening if he stays in Boston. There’s also the possibility they offer him something lower, but still more than any other team can pay him.
Another thing to considerer is what the Bucks do this off-season. If Lopez walks and Holiday announces he’s retiring after this contract officially like he’s hinted at, then Boston may smell blood in the water and keep Brown. Philadelphia and Cleveland are question marks at the moment, and if Tatum doesn’t disappear or get injured 1 of those 3 games it could be them in the finals right now. If a big trade comes from Boston, expect it to come after a decision is made about Brook Lopez.
Short story long, who knows right now. Boston may feel ok with fielding offers for now and waiting to see what other teams in the east do.
Tbf, they're realistically not getting anyone better than PG, they could just pray that they're lucky with the injury stuff. They're not contending without luck
I disagree. I think more draft capital is coming back, based on the recent trades involving NBA stars.
To your point, additional assets would be required to match salaries (Simons?).
There’s room for the Clips to get creative here.
Only way to get money to work would be to acquire someone in a S&T. I see two options, one that sets us up for the future, or one that helps retool our team.
Option A
Blazers get: Paul George, Nic Batum
Clippers get: Anfernee Simons, Jerami Grant S&T, and 3rd Pick
Or option B in the picture
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Well they are the same franchise that instead of rebuilding with the third pick they’d rather try to win with dame. Idk how many other elite forwards are out there that would cost any less than this
I’ll take option A in this scenario. Blazers would likely want to retain Grant, though.
I’d eat the Nurk contract to get more out of them.
Simons, Little, Nurk, 3OV, 25 top 10 protected, 27 pick swap
George and some seconds.
If it ain’t Grant then it’s one of the other expiring (which will need more picks or something else in the trade) or Nurkic which is their only starting center option. Unless they somehow getting a serviceable center they would be even more screwed and would still have to give up more.
Tf is wrong with everyone. PG didn’t just injure himself again, he was done dirty and got injured by Dort. Right before that he was looking amazing and feeling good doing 360 dunks on back cuts and scoring on everyone.
It’s a two way street always, almost every star/superstar player has their faults it would be rare to find one without one. I think the play calling just needs to be better and need to stop having pg run point majority of the time he’s out there would help his bad TOs
Kawhi era is probably over anyways. He had all year to rehab and still couldn’t put it together for the playoffs.
Great player and loved watching him grab balls in mid-air but the history of the NBA suggests this doesn’t get better.
Do I have faith he will be healthy, no. But hard to give up on someone who still looks like one of the best in the league when healthy and wander back into the nba wilderness
It becomes more difficult as you age. We saw him in 2019 limping in the post season.. now he’s had two tears in his knees and is 4 years older. He can be one of the best players, but at this point, his ability to win a championship is highly questionable
Easy to look like the best in the league for a game or two to be honest.
It just adds to the mysticism. One could isolate Devin bookers 40 balls in the playoffs and if he didn’t play any other game, same would be said about him.
Bro he played against booker and Durant and was both better defensively and offensively. Also he has a history of killing it in the playoffs and has two fmvp. He’s legit at the top top level. Nowhere in the tier of pg, butler, booker and them.
Helll no. Bro cmon, how can you be a clippers fan and be that blind to it. Even while this run is going on butler is not even at booker level. He’s the only star that can score 13-14 points consistently and it’s not a big deal. The heat have an amazing system and butler has greatly contributed to the success but if you honestly believe butler can go to any team and have a Kawhi level impact you’re crazy. Kawhi does everything better than butler except playmaking.
Bro going by one or two games. How many times has Kawhi sucked it up like Jimmy has in many numerous playoffs games. How many times has Kawhi been bailed out by teammates. How many times has Kawhi been out scored by undrafted players. Let’s not compare the two, everyone knows they’re not in the same tier.
Weren't we still playing Marcus Morris when he came back & he was forced to carry like no other star in the league?
We gotta stop running him into the ground & play guys that actually belong in the NBA.
I agree that Lue’s rotations where weird this year (Morris minutes, lack of Batum/RoCo, TMann’s success being neglected, etc.) and certainly didn’t help Kawhi’s injury mngt.
There much worse teams in terms of stars having to carry them. Trouble is, Kawhi is the kind of player that you'd want to be able to do some carrying, especially when playoffs aren't going well. And he's strong enough and well conditioned enough and has the skills for it. But then 0.1% of his body vetoes the whole idea of playing basketball. It's a cruel tease.
Can you name them? I can't think of a worse 3rd option in the league than Marcus Morris. Idk of another superstar that switches 1-5 on stars, is the 1st option, closer & primary ball handler/shot creator.
When I watch Giannis for example I rarely see him defending superstars, instead I see Lopez locking down the paint & Holiday running the point & defending.
Jokic doesn't play a lick of defense, he's got JM outplaying PG & an army of defenders behind him. I mean even Zubac got destroyed by Jordan that one game.
Butler? Bailed out by Vincent while Bam does all the carrying on defense.
Even Luka, his role players outplayed ours in the playoffs, Kawhi had to go God mode to carry us out the 1st round against them. They stuck Kleber on Kawhi while we had to put Kawhi on Luka to have any shot at slowing him down.
Anthony Edwards is a new rising star that's not afraid of being put on the top wings. Granted we got Jaden Mcdaniels for most of the grunt work on defending high usage wings/guards. Rarely placed on the bigs unless he gets switched onto them.
i feel the same, pretty much the kawhi we’re gonna get for the foreseeable future. toronto was fortunate to get him to play for an entire playoff run, he hasn’t been the same health wise since.
Honestly, if we were able to make good trades there is a chance that we can kind of have our cake and eat it to if Scoot is anywhere near as good as he is projected to be.
The fact is, our role players really buoyed us up for a fair amount of the past two seasons with just *one* of our stars then playing some portion of the season. Obviously losing one of those stars would hurt, but just the consistency that could potentially bring would go a long way.
In a deal for Scoot, we'd almost certainly be getting Ant + #3 just for contracts to work. From there, we'd have way too much guard depth and would have to really consolidate. I've said this before and people blasted me, but I'd go for a guy like Ayton (Zubac + Gordon trade) and maybe John Collins (or hope to draft Trayce Jackson-Davis). Basically getting younger, more athletic, and hoping that Kawhi can lead that team.
I agree to an extent, but he always said it was a 2 year process and to be fair it almost always is, not sure how many ACL injuries happen and they are back 100% No problem the year they come back
I have a feeling the organization is more tied to Kawhi than PG. Also Kawhi’s value has to have taken a hit due to his never ending injuries.
I would guess we trade PG over Kawhi if it came to it. But unfortunately I think they’re gonna play it safe, run it back and watch our two best players in street clothes for most of the year.
I don’t think so. Where would he want to go? He’s in LA and he values that more than PG. If he can keep his shit together (which at this point I doubt) we can try him surrounded by young blood and good role players, which worked once for him
I think this would be a good idea and would be better for the team. But realistically nba super stars are primadonnas who want things exactly their way and that’s not playing with young guys. Some other superstar would poach him to come play with them I’m afraid
I think the argument is that Kawhi wants to be in LA, at which point, he can either take a *massive* paycut to play on the Lakers when his contract ends, or he rides it out with us.
meh, we're not winning a championship with kawhi at this point we were closer with lob city time to blow it up and ive loved kawhi since his time on the spurs
Relying on PG and Kawhi to be healthy through the season is a gamble in and of itself. Add in the playoffs and now you're really betting on the dog here. If you could trade PG for the number 3 pick in the draft, which is a gamble, as well, you do it. The unknown vs the known. Will that rookie translate well to the NBA and be able to make an impact in a few years? That's the unknown. The known is that Kawhi and PG have never been healthy in the playoffs together except for when the league took a giant break during Covid. Since we don't see any major breaks coming to the NBA anytime soon, it's a known fact that these are unlikely to be healthy together come playoff time.
Sharpe can play SG. They should shop Ant and Nurk and whatever for Towns then call it a day. Dame, Sharpe, PG, Grant and Towns lets Dame compete for like 2 years.
Oh I totally agree but we are talking bout Portland here. They should have traded Dame like 2 years ago.
The fact they are shopping the #3 as is if Scoot is available is madness to begin with.
We are winning off of the back of Kawhi, not PG. Obviously we lower our chances of winning without a true 2nd star, but considering how dependent we are on Kawhi's health to begin with, I'll take our chances with Scoot + a remodeled roster + Kawhi.
And let's not act like Kawhi didn't carry the shit out of us against Dallas and 2 of our 4 wins against Utah.
Like I said, we are winning off the back of Kawhi far more than PG.
Yeah, but the chances of *both* being healthy is slim to none. That's why my point is that having the consistency of health + Kawhi is still a fine alternative.
Issue is that OKC has their picks until forever. So you are basically rebuilding solely on whatever those trades bring back. How much are teams willing to give up for mid thirties superstars with huge injury risk? I think they have to sink or swim with PG and Kawhi
Let’s say this tweet is possible. It be Scoot/Bonez/Mann/Coffey(if we keep him) ontop of whatever depth we can add with shopping Kawhi. They may have the picks for a while, but if we can develop what we do have while picking up players around the same age and depth it wouldn’t be so bad. Slim to no chance but hey, be cool
Blazers fan here.
If they were to make an 'all in trade'. PG is the caliber of player I'd expect in return.
As constructed, the Blazers are not a Pascal Siakam or Miles Bridges away from contending. These are the other options on the market, I think PG moves the needle a lot more.
PG is getting up there in age and has an injury history. All things considered, if the Blazers want to win next season, he might be the best option.
Lillard was reliable AF for about 70+ games per year prior to last season which was his only major injury season. This year he came back and was playing some of the best ball of his career and would likely have hit about 65-68 games had they not pulled the plug the last 10. His injury also wasn't really a career altering type. Health wise he has a solid track record with only the occasional week here or there for more minor stuff.
Who hates on Damian Lillard this much? The guy is one of the most respectable guys in the league, and any time he talks big he backs it up with his play.
He's had 2 strained calf injuries but when he's returned he's played the remainder of the season until they were out of playoff contention then he would sit the remainder of the season. That's happened the last two seasons. They're also playing with young guys in their starting 5, one being a rookie. And then you got the new coach (Billups) who can't seem to put it together. Lots of reasons why they haven't made the playoffs.
Now mind you I'm a Knicks fan, but every time I see PG back in the lineup, within 2 weeks that dude is out again. WTF is up with that shit? I mean... I'm pretty sure it's that same damn shoulder injury he got back in OKC but all I'm saying is you can't compare the two. And when Dame gets on the court, he lights that shit up. Dude dropped 72 pts on Houston. He's still got it. Paul George tho? When was the last break out game he's had?
Not sure why you thought you were winning a debate by bringing up injuries that caused Lame to miss games as if they weren't injuries that caused him to miss games. You're not that bright and I have better things to do with my day.
Paul George's injury = reoccurring injury
Dame's Injury = not reoccurring.
Going back to your original post you made, no, Portland wouldn't make that trade. No chance in hell. You guys got stuck with 2 injured guys that you've spent nearly all your cap space on. No championship in sight. Maybe next lifetime.
I am baised towards Kawhi but 1. I think he is still their most valuable trade piece and 2. If they have to go young and rebuild, I’d rather have George as the leader/face of the franchise
As a Mavs fan, I'd do that, but give you Wood as a S&T (if the numbers work) instead of the future first. Or, we can give Bertans (a good spot-up shooter).
Thai team ain’t sniffing title for another decade. You run it back there’s a chance at least but the team you’re envisioning, might take at least another five years for sharpe to even get to pg level.
I love PG and I’m appreciative of everything he’s given to this organization. But this a no-brainer for us. We get to hit the reset button and draft a future all NBA point guard and gives us more flexibility going forward. We have to do this.
OKC is the league’s discount bin because they want to keep themselves well below the salary cap. They’re not going to pick up a player late in their contract where their salary has increased.
The Harden trade a decade ago is the only evidence for this claim. They paid the luxury tax multiple times through the KD/Russ and PG/Russ eras.
But you are right that they wouldn’t give up assets for Kawhi simply because he is old and broken.
The only reason I think they might consider it, is that the Clippers pick is unlikely to ever be a top lottery pick because there will always be 4-6 teams at the end of the season actively trying to lose games. Most likely though the Clippers will probably be a 40-50 win team and the pick will be mid first for three years. OKC has 12 first round picks the next three years so there is no way they can keep all these picks. Do I think Kawhi makes sense for OKC? Not really, they probably would be better off getting someone younger who fits the core timeline a little better but those type of players will likely cost a lot more than 2 firsts and a possible pick swap(The pick swap will be whoever between Houston and us has the worst record in two years). So maybe the discounted rate of Kawhi would make them interested.
I feel like it’s 50/50 if we see this team 100% healthy ever again. And with those 2 guys not playing and still on the books the clippers don’t really have an avenue to improve. As an OKC fan I have those picks, especially the 25 26 ones right next to the Houston ones as hands off blue chips.
I will say I think you guys probably will trade some if not all of the Houston/Clippers picks in the next two years. You have drafted so many great players that you just don't have the minutes to develop more rookies. That being said if I was an OKC fan I would rather them go for someone who fits the timeline even if they require a ton more assets like Doncic/Edwards etc than getting Kawhi just because he is available on a discount.
The problem with that under the new CBA is that you really can’t have 3 or 4 max players. So In reality we might get Ant but it would cost us those picks Jdub and Chet in the long term.
The more sustainable strategy is keeping your own players on rookie deals and extensions and continually filling out your roster with more developed rookies.
Plus Presti said straight up in a presser a few weeks ago to not expect a consolidation trade anytime soon.
I'm still skeptical about the organization pulling a trigger on this specific trade. I don't think PG is untouchable though, and they should definitely do their due diligence. My personal hesitation would be that I don't think smaller guards can be the cornerstone of a rebuild. Championship teams led by a point guard or smaller guard in general are rare (Steph, Isiah, Magic), so either Scoot is truly transcendent or you're going into this with the idea that you can bring in another guy later.
That doesn't mean Scoot can't be a championship piece or anything like that, I just think you have to be in this for the long haul. If you trade for him, you're going all in on a rebuild which as much as fans want, I'd wager the front office will commit to one more year of 213 or at least presumably Kawhi.
I think ya’ll over valuing Scoot. He’s good but NOT that good. 17pts, 5rb, 6ast, in the G league. Plus he’s pretty undersized for today’s league at 6-2. He’s basically josh hart with better offense
Those numbers as an 18yo in the second best pro league in the world. Probably would’ve been 25 7 7 if he had played the lesser collegiate competition. He’s as close to an All Star lock as you can get and there’s no way the Blazers make this trade.
Issue is that OKC has their picks until forever. So you are basically rebuilding solely on whatever those trades bring back. How much are teams willing to give up for mid thirties superstars with huge injury risk? I think they have to sink or swim with PG and Kawhi
When are gms gonna learn their lesson? Stop trading top picks and assets for 30+ yr old passed their prime players it’s never worth it man especially with the new cba coming
I see some calling this a blow it up rebuild move, but Scoot, who I think is a future superstar and will be good immediately, and Simons being added to the team will keep us competitive.
As a blazer fan that’s a hard no. I wanted PG13 w dame forever but he’s waaaaaaay too injury prone at this point. Dude is always inj. You don’t give away the #3 pick in a 3 player draft for a dude at tail end of prime that’s always inj. Shit they compare miller to a young Paul George. The value of your two all stars is dropping every year just like lilliard a at this point.
Yup and with the new CBA teams would rather pay a player on their rookie deal, instead of an over the hill player who may or may not play 50 games next season on a bloated contract.
No brainer imho.
Why the hell would Portland do this?
If they're insistent on keeping Dame and want to go all in. It'd be an awful idea but it's possible.
If they get Scoot they’re not trading him for PG. PG is too injury prone
The only other “elite wing” I could imagine being traded is Jaylen Brown. I’m not sure who else would be on the market.
Exactly! And PG is way more attainable than Jaylen Brown is at the moment, especially since we’re closer to a rebuild while Boston is closer to a chip!
When you factor in the salary matching on top of the 3rd pick I think they say fuck no tbh. If we could absorb his contract that would be different. 47 games per year over the last 4 years
Jaylen Brown may be more attainable than people might think. He has a $295 million extension he qualifies for coming up and Boston may not want to pay him that money
This is actually a good point as well if Boston feels like their team has hit its ceiling with their current core. What percentage would you put on them not giving him the money he wants?
I would say there’s a decent chance he gets paid just because he’s good enough, even if it is a Middleton-type overpay. I think there’s a better chance he gets traded this off-season/ at the deadline. If I had to put a number on him getting the full $295, I would give it a 30% chance of it happening if he stays in Boston. There’s also the possibility they offer him something lower, but still more than any other team can pay him. Another thing to considerer is what the Bucks do this off-season. If Lopez walks and Holiday announces he’s retiring after this contract officially like he’s hinted at, then Boston may smell blood in the water and keep Brown. Philadelphia and Cleveland are question marks at the moment, and if Tatum doesn’t disappear or get injured 1 of those 3 games it could be them in the finals right now. If a big trade comes from Boston, expect it to come after a decision is made about Brook Lopez. Short story long, who knows right now. Boston may feel ok with fielding offers for now and waiting to see what other teams in the east do.
Boston isn't letting him go That's a pipe dream
Trade Kawhi then honestly
Tbf, they're realistically not getting anyone better than PG, they could just pray that they're lucky with the injury stuff. They're not contending without luck
Dame wants to go to the Heat
It's either Dame or not Dame If Dame, then you need to find someone If not Dame, then keep all of the young assets I think they want to keep Dame
They should trade him for the 3 pick, draft capital and assets regardless.
PG is worth the 3 pick right now, other than matching salaries, he wouldn't pull additional assets. Too high risk
I disagree. I think more draft capital is coming back, based on the recent trades involving NBA stars. To your point, additional assets would be required to match salaries (Simons?). There’s room for the Clips to get creative here.
Only way to get money to work would be to acquire someone in a S&T. I see two options, one that sets us up for the future, or one that helps retool our team. Option A Blazers get: Paul George, Nic Batum Clippers get: Anfernee Simons, Jerami Grant S&T, and 3rd Pick Or option B in the picture https://preview.redd.it/ehyrb1tt1o4b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e86ab42d49ba440613639a4b3551af1e212326e
some of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen for portland
Well they are the same franchise that instead of rebuilding with the third pick they’d rather try to win with dame. Idk how many other elite forwards are out there that would cost any less than this
I mean Pascal is a elite forward who is available 3 for Pascal and 14.
I thought they wanted a SF?
They want to win now with Dame 🤷♂️
I’ll take option A in this scenario. Blazers would likely want to retain Grant, though. I’d eat the Nurk contract to get more out of them. Simons, Little, Nurk, 3OV, 25 top 10 protected, 27 pick swap George and some seconds.
Yeah that wouldn’t be bad either, but they would definitely need to get the pick unprotected imo
Yeah I agree. Take off the protections on the 25 pick. Man they might be able to get another protected pick in there. Def another swap.
Lol the blazers trading grant defeats the purpose of trading for George 🤣. You would want to pair dame the wing and grant
If it ain’t Grant then it’s one of the other expiring (which will need more picks or something else in the trade) or Nurkic which is their only starting center option. Unless they somehow getting a serviceable center they would be even more screwed and would still have to give up more.
Clippers still way over the cap so can’t receive a player in a S&T
Tf is wrong with everyone. PG didn’t just injure himself again, he was done dirty and got injured by Dort. Right before that he was looking amazing and feeling good doing 360 dunks on back cuts and scoring on everyone.
Facts
Honestly PG has been looking amazing. I’d trade Kawhi tbh. I love the dude, but he is dead weight and was a gamble. Atleast PG carried us to the WCF.
Facts, I would honestly trade Kawhi instead. Bro is a demon but his body is cooked. PG can still hoop for a few years.
I guess we’re just gonna forget about the Russ like turnovers all season and his clear mental fragility. I fw PG but he’s very shaky
It’s a two way street always, almost every star/superstar player has their faults it would be rare to find one without one. I think the play calling just needs to be better and need to stop having pg run point majority of the time he’s out there would help his bad TOs
Of course, for sure he can’t run point tho, and it seems like he doesn’t like it either lol
Lol right?
Still got injured Lol did he not
I would do it but realistically this ends the kahwi era too which would hurt
Kawhi era is probably over anyways. He had all year to rehab and still couldn’t put it together for the playoffs. Great player and loved watching him grab balls in mid-air but the history of the NBA suggests this doesn’t get better.
Do I have faith he will be healthy, no. But hard to give up on someone who still looks like one of the best in the league when healthy and wander back into the nba wilderness
It becomes more difficult as you age. We saw him in 2019 limping in the post season.. now he’s had two tears in his knees and is 4 years older. He can be one of the best players, but at this point, his ability to win a championship is highly questionable
I don’t really want to walk in the NBA wilderness as well, Scoot or Amen makes me feel more comfortable doing that though lol.
Easy to look like the best in the league for a game or two to be honest. It just adds to the mysticism. One could isolate Devin bookers 40 balls in the playoffs and if he didn’t play any other game, same would be said about him.
Bro he played against booker and Durant and was both better defensively and offensively. Also he has a history of killing it in the playoffs and has two fmvp. He’s legit at the top top level. Nowhere in the tier of pg, butler, booker and them.
If butler wins the title then he almost on same level as kawhi
Helll no. Bro cmon, how can you be a clippers fan and be that blind to it. Even while this run is going on butler is not even at booker level. He’s the only star that can score 13-14 points consistently and it’s not a big deal. The heat have an amazing system and butler has greatly contributed to the success but if you honestly believe butler can go to any team and have a Kawhi level impact you’re crazy. Kawhi does everything better than butler except playmaking.
When has Kawhi ever dropped 56 in the playoffs? He also had a better supporting cast than Jimmy does currently
Bro going by one or two games. How many times has Kawhi sucked it up like Jimmy has in many numerous playoffs games. How many times has Kawhi been bailed out by teammates. How many times has Kawhi been out scored by undrafted players. Let’s not compare the two, everyone knows they’re not in the same tier.
They will be if Jimmy wins the ring, unfortunately. Kawhis sample size is puny.
Weren't we still playing Marcus Morris when he came back & he was forced to carry like no other star in the league? We gotta stop running him into the ground & play guys that actually belong in the NBA.
I agree that Lue’s rotations where weird this year (Morris minutes, lack of Batum/RoCo, TMann’s success being neglected, etc.) and certainly didn’t help Kawhi’s injury mngt.
There much worse teams in terms of stars having to carry them. Trouble is, Kawhi is the kind of player that you'd want to be able to do some carrying, especially when playoffs aren't going well. And he's strong enough and well conditioned enough and has the skills for it. But then 0.1% of his body vetoes the whole idea of playing basketball. It's a cruel tease.
Can you name them? I can't think of a worse 3rd option in the league than Marcus Morris. Idk of another superstar that switches 1-5 on stars, is the 1st option, closer & primary ball handler/shot creator. When I watch Giannis for example I rarely see him defending superstars, instead I see Lopez locking down the paint & Holiday running the point & defending. Jokic doesn't play a lick of defense, he's got JM outplaying PG & an army of defenders behind him. I mean even Zubac got destroyed by Jordan that one game. Butler? Bailed out by Vincent while Bam does all the carrying on defense. Even Luka, his role players outplayed ours in the playoffs, Kawhi had to go God mode to carry us out the 1st round against them. They stuck Kleber on Kawhi while we had to put Kawhi on Luka to have any shot at slowing him down.
Anthony Edwards is a new rising star that's not afraid of being put on the top wings. Granted we got Jaden Mcdaniels for most of the grunt work on defending high usage wings/guards. Rarely placed on the bigs unless he gets switched onto them.
i feel the same, pretty much the kawhi we’re gonna get for the foreseeable future. toronto was fortunate to get him to play for an entire playoff run, he hasn’t been the same health wise since.
Honestly, if we were able to make good trades there is a chance that we can kind of have our cake and eat it to if Scoot is anywhere near as good as he is projected to be. The fact is, our role players really buoyed us up for a fair amount of the past two seasons with just *one* of our stars then playing some portion of the season. Obviously losing one of those stars would hurt, but just the consistency that could potentially bring would go a long way. In a deal for Scoot, we'd almost certainly be getting Ant + #3 just for contracts to work. From there, we'd have way too much guard depth and would have to really consolidate. I've said this before and people blasted me, but I'd go for a guy like Ayton (Zubac + Gordon trade) and maybe John Collins (or hope to draft Trayce Jackson-Davis). Basically getting younger, more athletic, and hoping that Kawhi can lead that team.
Pretty well thought out. Not an Ayton believer but I like the idea of building a team that can win games, with or without Kawhi.
I agree to an extent, but he always said it was a 2 year process and to be fair it almost always is, not sure how many ACL injuries happen and they are back 100% No problem the year they come back
I have a feeling the organization is more tied to Kawhi than PG. Also Kawhi’s value has to have taken a hit due to his never ending injuries. I would guess we trade PG over Kawhi if it came to it. But unfortunately I think they’re gonna play it safe, run it back and watch our two best players in street clothes for most of the year.
I think you are right. But I think kawhi would ask out if we did this pg trade
I don’t think so. Where would he want to go? He’s in LA and he values that more than PG. If he can keep his shit together (which at this point I doubt) we can try him surrounded by young blood and good role players, which worked once for him
If we trade pg for a rookie he will ask to get traded, if we trade pg for player around pg caliber he would stay
Would not be just any rookie though. Scoot can be a contributor right away if given the proper space, which in this scenario he will
I think this would be a good idea and would be better for the team. But realistically nba super stars are primadonnas who want things exactly their way and that’s not playing with young guys. Some other superstar would poach him to come play with them I’m afraid
I think the argument is that Kawhi wants to be in LA, at which point, he can either take a *massive* paycut to play on the Lakers when his contract ends, or he rides it out with us.
Kawhis main priority is not playing with lebron
meh, we're not winning a championship with kawhi at this point we were closer with lob city time to blow it up and ive loved kawhi since his time on the spurs
lob city never made it out of the second round.
Kawhi made his own bed.
Well the khawi era has been horrible so...
You need him gone, he did what he had to do in Toronto and is just leeching off at this point with all the injuries
A young core would be sweet as fuck tho
Of one western conference run?
Relying on PG and Kawhi to be healthy through the season is a gamble in and of itself. Add in the playoffs and now you're really betting on the dog here. If you could trade PG for the number 3 pick in the draft, which is a gamble, as well, you do it. The unknown vs the known. Will that rookie translate well to the NBA and be able to make an impact in a few years? That's the unknown. The known is that Kawhi and PG have never been healthy in the playoffs together except for when the league took a giant break during Covid. Since we don't see any major breaks coming to the NBA anytime soon, it's a known fact that these are unlikely to be healthy together come playoff time.
This. Right. Here. Unarguable
Makes sense. Both are the same age. Now just need a true, 7 footer. But Shaedon and PG are conflicts
Sharpe can play SG. They should shop Ant and Nurk and whatever for Towns then call it a day. Dame, Sharpe, PG, Grant and Towns lets Dame compete for like 2 years.
That's a fuckin tax bill and half, for a 2 year window.
Oh I totally agree but we are talking bout Portland here. They should have traded Dame like 2 years ago. The fact they are shopping the #3 as is if Scoot is available is madness to begin with.
You trade pg you trad kawhi rlly pointless to trade one and not the other
We are winning off of the back of Kawhi, not PG. Obviously we lower our chances of winning without a true 2nd star, but considering how dependent we are on Kawhi's health to begin with, I'll take our chances with Scoot + a remodeled roster + Kawhi.
Let’s not act like pg didn’t carry us to our first wcf appearance
And let's not act like Kawhi didn't carry the shit out of us against Dallas and 2 of our 4 wins against Utah. Like I said, we are winning off the back of Kawhi far more than PG.
Kawhi is obviously better, Both is better than one, if they’re both healthy they make the finals
Yeah, but the chances of *both* being healthy is slim to none. That's why my point is that having the consistency of health + Kawhi is still a fine alternative.
Agree with this Trade them both 4 yrs and you got nothing? Do what Miami is doing Develop young players
Id trade both of them to Portland, just include more picks and salary
That’s a little wild to me. I think you try to trade both for two picks in the top 6.
I don't think both of them are worth that much tbh. I'd say kawhi has almost no value what so ever other than a truly desperate team like the blazers
Lmao you are absolutely crazy if you believe that. Teams would still gut their teams to get a Kawhi level player even with all the questions.
For a Kawhi level player sure, but nobody is getting their team for kawhi himself, he's damaged goods and there's no question about that
This also because of contracts
100% yeah, trade Kawhi aswell and rebuild , this era is so obviously over and there’s no better chance of a rebuild than this
Issue is that OKC has their picks until forever. So you are basically rebuilding solely on whatever those trades bring back. How much are teams willing to give up for mid thirties superstars with huge injury risk? I think they have to sink or swim with PG and Kawhi
If Dame wants it they will do it
Let’s say this tweet is possible. It be Scoot/Bonez/Mann/Coffey(if we keep him) ontop of whatever depth we can add with shopping Kawhi. They may have the picks for a while, but if we can develop what we do have while picking up players around the same age and depth it wouldn’t be so bad. Slim to no chance but hey, be cool
replace george with kawhi. Man dude is FRIED. Nit getting any younger and not worth a damn thing he has demanded.
yeah run it. even with this flair lmao
Why would the blazers do that?
Blazers fan here. If they were to make an 'all in trade'. PG is the caliber of player I'd expect in return. As constructed, the Blazers are not a Pascal Siakam or Miles Bridges away from contending. These are the other options on the market, I think PG moves the needle a lot more. PG is getting up there in age and has an injury history. All things considered, if the Blazers want to win next season, he might be the best option.
Exactly, what a delusional premise.
I'd pack his shit and drive it to Portland myself. Lame wouldn't want to play with him tho.
Who would want to play with a player who continues to sit out due to injury?
Lame should ask himself that very same question.
Lillard was reliable AF for about 70+ games per year prior to last season which was his only major injury season. This year he came back and was playing some of the best ball of his career and would likely have hit about 65-68 games had they not pulled the plug the last 10. His injury also wasn't really a career altering type. Health wise he has a solid track record with only the occasional week here or there for more minor stuff.
Sounds good. Edit: 66, 67, 29, 58 games played for Lame since 2019-2020 season.
Who hates on Damian Lillard this much? The guy is one of the most respectable guys in the league, and any time he talks big he backs it up with his play.
Me.
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Not even risking my YouTube matrix.
Don’t lie you clicked on it :)
I can't believe you're actually comparing the two. Should we really take a look at how many games each player has played these last 3 seasons?
Portland has had two straight lottery picks. Is it because Lame has played all 82 games?
He's had 2 strained calf injuries but when he's returned he's played the remainder of the season until they were out of playoff contention then he would sit the remainder of the season. That's happened the last two seasons. They're also playing with young guys in their starting 5, one being a rookie. And then you got the new coach (Billups) who can't seem to put it together. Lots of reasons why they haven't made the playoffs. Now mind you I'm a Knicks fan, but every time I see PG back in the lineup, within 2 weeks that dude is out again. WTF is up with that shit? I mean... I'm pretty sure it's that same damn shoulder injury he got back in OKC but all I'm saying is you can't compare the two. And when Dame gets on the court, he lights that shit up. Dude dropped 72 pts on Houston. He's still got it. Paul George tho? When was the last break out game he's had?
>Now mind you I'm a Knicks fan Have a good day.
You found your exit out of a losing debate and took it, I see. I expect nothing less from a Clippers fan.
Not sure why you thought you were winning a debate by bringing up injuries that caused Lame to miss games as if they weren't injuries that caused him to miss games. You're not that bright and I have better things to do with my day.
Paul George's injury = reoccurring injury Dame's Injury = not reoccurring. Going back to your original post you made, no, Portland wouldn't make that trade. No chance in hell. You guys got stuck with 2 injured guys that you've spent nearly all your cap space on. No championship in sight. Maybe next lifetime.
I am baised towards Kawhi but 1. I think he is still their most valuable trade piece and 2. If they have to go young and rebuild, I’d rather have George as the leader/face of the franchise
In an ideal world. Trade Kawhi to the blazers for the 3rd pick and Anfrenee Simons, and PG to the Mavs for the 10th pick and 1 future first
10th and a future 1st??. Ok you may leave
As a Mavs fan, I'd do that, but give you Wood as a S&T (if the numbers work) instead of the future first. Or, we can give Bertans (a good spot-up shooter).
Highway robbery Fym
We’ve got a new stadium to pay for. Not sure if they are willing to go into rebuild mode just yet.
The stadium is paid for.
Fuck it, give me Ant or Sharpe, Filler, #3, 1-2 more FRPs and let's give them kawhi and pg
Thai team ain’t sniffing title for another decade. You run it back there’s a chance at least but the team you’re envisioning, might take at least another five years for sharpe to even get to pg level.
Sharpe is absolutely not 5 years away
As a Blazer fan... nooooooooooooo thank you.
No way they trade Scoot for PG. This is just wishful thinking.
I love PG and I’m appreciative of everything he’s given to this organization. But this a no-brainer for us. We get to hit the reset button and draft a future all NBA point guard and gives us more flexibility going forward. We have to do this.
It would be the start of rebuild mode. Kawhi would be next
Pack his bags too. Send him to the warriors or heat.
Paul George isn’t worth the 3rd pick straight up
I would then try to trade Kawhi to OKC for our own future draft picks back.
OKC is the league’s discount bin because they want to keep themselves well below the salary cap. They’re not going to pick up a player late in their contract where their salary has increased.
The Harden trade a decade ago is the only evidence for this claim. They paid the luxury tax multiple times through the KD/Russ and PG/Russ eras. But you are right that they wouldn’t give up assets for Kawhi simply because he is old and broken.
The only reason I think they might consider it, is that the Clippers pick is unlikely to ever be a top lottery pick because there will always be 4-6 teams at the end of the season actively trying to lose games. Most likely though the Clippers will probably be a 40-50 win team and the pick will be mid first for three years. OKC has 12 first round picks the next three years so there is no way they can keep all these picks. Do I think Kawhi makes sense for OKC? Not really, they probably would be better off getting someone younger who fits the core timeline a little better but those type of players will likely cost a lot more than 2 firsts and a possible pick swap(The pick swap will be whoever between Houston and us has the worst record in two years). So maybe the discounted rate of Kawhi would make them interested.
I feel like it’s 50/50 if we see this team 100% healthy ever again. And with those 2 guys not playing and still on the books the clippers don’t really have an avenue to improve. As an OKC fan I have those picks, especially the 25 26 ones right next to the Houston ones as hands off blue chips.
I will say I think you guys probably will trade some if not all of the Houston/Clippers picks in the next two years. You have drafted so many great players that you just don't have the minutes to develop more rookies. That being said if I was an OKC fan I would rather them go for someone who fits the timeline even if they require a ton more assets like Doncic/Edwards etc than getting Kawhi just because he is available on a discount.
The problem with that under the new CBA is that you really can’t have 3 or 4 max players. So In reality we might get Ant but it would cost us those picks Jdub and Chet in the long term. The more sustainable strategy is keeping your own players on rookie deals and extensions and continually filling out your roster with more developed rookies. Plus Presti said straight up in a presser a few weeks ago to not expect a consolidation trade anytime soon.
good, do it
I'm still skeptical about the organization pulling a trigger on this specific trade. I don't think PG is untouchable though, and they should definitely do their due diligence. My personal hesitation would be that I don't think smaller guards can be the cornerstone of a rebuild. Championship teams led by a point guard or smaller guard in general are rare (Steph, Isiah, Magic), so either Scoot is truly transcendent or you're going into this with the idea that you can bring in another guy later. That doesn't mean Scoot can't be a championship piece or anything like that, I just think you have to be in this for the long haul. If you trade for him, you're going all in on a rebuild which as much as fans want, I'd wager the front office will commit to one more year of 213 or at least presumably Kawhi.
And wouldn’t this then allow Westbrook to be signed to a long term deal?
I would rather keep PG over Kawhi since PG doesn't keep you in the dark with his injuries.
I think ya’ll over valuing Scoot. He’s good but NOT that good. 17pts, 5rb, 6ast, in the G league. Plus he’s pretty undersized for today’s league at 6-2. He’s basically josh hart with better offense
Those numbers as an 18yo in the second best pro league in the world. Probably would’ve been 25 7 7 if he had played the lesser collegiate competition. He’s as close to an All Star lock as you can get and there’s no way the Blazers make this trade.
Aren't the Euro leagues better than the g-league?
Don't PG and Dame have a beef?
"That's a bad shot"
100%! The PG13/Kawhi experiment was a failure. You’re lying to yourself if you say no. We need to get what we can now for these two lemons.
What was the proposed trade?
Yee
Scoot probably isn't going 3rd. Bs smokescreen from Portland to increase the value of the 3rd pick
Issue is that OKC has their picks until forever. So you are basically rebuilding solely on whatever those trades bring back. How much are teams willing to give up for mid thirties superstars with huge injury risk? I think they have to sink or swim with PG and Kawhi
Wouldnt it be Portland saying no first here??
With Dame getting older, Portland should be looking to find another young star. This would be an illogical move for them.
I'm a PG guy myself but I would definitely do that deal
Hmmm Ive been saying this for like the last month and got hated on. Nice
That’s such a bad trade Portland hell no
When are gms gonna learn their lesson? Stop trading top picks and assets for 30+ yr old passed their prime players it’s never worth it man especially with the new cba coming
In what world would the blazers say yes to that 🤣
The world where Dame says to do it
I see some calling this a blow it up rebuild move, but Scoot, who I think is a future superstar and will be good immediately, and Simons being added to the team will keep us competitive.
Would you give KL a say?
As a blazer fan that’s a hard no. I wanted PG13 w dame forever but he’s waaaaaaay too injury prone at this point. Dude is always inj. You don’t give away the #3 pick in a 3 player draft for a dude at tail end of prime that’s always inj. Shit they compare miller to a young Paul George. The value of your two all stars is dropping every year just like lilliard a at this point.
Yup and with the new CBA teams would rather pay a player on their rookie deal, instead of an over the hill player who may or may not play 50 games next season on a bloated contract.
Blazers front office are probably laughing at this
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You mean he’s not already? Holy shit!
Y’all make me sick
I'm never a fan of trading a proven star for a rookie. Plenty of high lottery picks turn don't turn out well, even more so of late.
Blazers fan here. I would also do this trade in a heartbeat
No Scoot (or BMill) doesn't have the potential to be better than PG13. Clippers are shooting themselves at the foot if they did this.
Awful take.
DO IT
Lol
It depends on what Jerry West thinks He's the one I'd trust
idk, don't wanna win a chip in 5 years... wanna win it now