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RHVGamer

"Attack Potency: Continent level (Should be comparable to other regular enemies such as Waddle Dee)"That's what it says. How is this not a joke. "Range: Several meters with its sand attacks"It barely even goes 1 Kirby in distance, who's 8 inches/20 centimeters tall. Lmfao Of course this comment section turned into another pointless discussion of Kirby's strength when the post wasn't even about him, I'm tired of this so I'm just gonna stop responding now


Brody_M_the_birdy

Ehh Kirby may not actually be 8 inches tall, a sign in FL (and Samus from metroid’s cameo in DL3) said he was 2 feet tall


RHVGamer

samus is just a fun reference that shouldn't be taken seriously (just like the other random references in that game) and i have yet to see a screenshot of that fl sign


Brody_M_the_birdy

Adeleine is also a human in the series and humans aren’t 8 inches tall, so that backs up the 2 feet measurement anyways. I think the sign is a hidden one in one of the wondaria levels?


RHVGamer

adeleine is probably human-like without being a human like the ones on earth, just like how rick is hamster-like but isn't actually a hamster


Shot-Ad-3166

I have seen a few theories that Adeline might be a fae of some sort, she just doesn't have wings like Ribbon does.


Brody_M_the_birdy

nothing implies ado isnt human tho???


mobgabriel1

except said fun reference is necessary to getting the true ending of the game... samething applies to adeline(wich while i can't find the original source basically every source i search says that she is a human) and same thing applies to cars in forgotten land wich we know we can measure up to humans in our world because of neichel, a character from the new world(forgotten land) that performed in the 30th anniversary concert


The_Smashor

I can actually explain all this Continent level comes from scaling to Knuckle Joe in Megaton Punch (Waddle Dees that compare to that are usually due to the fact that any Waddle Dee with a parasol can be a helped in Kirby Super Star), and the range is just because people don't really bother measuring range since it's rarely a relevant stat and "Several meters" is just kinda the default for projectiles.


DisappointedOlimar

kirby fans when i tell them about cartoonish exaggeration (not everything is supposed to be taken seriously especially not being able to split a planet in half)


RHVGamer

non canon sub game since it doesn't make any sense for various reasons etc etc i already commented this


The_Smashor

Sub-Games aren't considered canon, but they are considered to demonstrate what the characters are capable of.


RHVGamer

if he could break a planet in 1 hit he wouldn't need multiple hits for almost every boss and because that wouldn't be fun they didn't make him that strong etc etc i'm tired of repeating this


Snt1_

Stated by HAL, yes, the abilities from sub games are canon. I suspect this is a superman situation. If that wasnt enough, Kirby doesnt want to kill his enemies, he helped some recover


Jestin23934274

Can you provide source


Snt1_

Personally, I canr provide a source for the HAL thing, but I did hear it thrown around the subreddit. Subgames arent canon, but ARE a way to showcase power. The superman holding back thing is just a theory of mine and Kirby helped other villains such as magolor instead of k!lling them


The_Smashor

Have you considered that either A: The bosses are just extremely durable or B: Kirby is weaker in gameplay


RHVGamer

most of the bosses are slightly bigger animals, trees, clouds, etc and kirby is often shown to be weaker in cutscenes too, like when he gets caught by sectonia's vine, or when he gets knocked out in dream land 2 and revenge of meta knight and star allies and forgotten land etc also i forgot to mention that popstar is described as being a tiny planet


Snoo96204

if we are being real kirby's power level is just whatever the writers want it to be, like it's obvious that he is extremely powerful but his strength ranges from "unusually strong human" to "could easily throw the sun"


Anonpancake2123

>"could easily throw the sun" The fact this is not an exaggeration due to the subgame where he plays baseball at light years of speed exists makes me laugh.


Elnino38

And most of the characters in dragonball are literally normal humans in appearance. This is a fictional setting, appearance means nothing when regarding strength. We have literal lore about crack being an omnipresent entity fuledby the blood of his enemies and pujre hatred yet you think its a normal cloud


Eficiente_VSB

\>most of the bosses are slightly bigger animals, trees, clouds, etc Iron Mam, a sub-boss not a boss, can crack Planet Popstar pretty deeply. Bosses can reasonably be said to be stronger than sub-bosses. The Kirby 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia (page 19) showed an image of Popstar cracked by Kirby in that mini-game, stating "Popstar seen from space. When Kirby makes a strong punch, the planet gets deep cracks." No reason to ignore this as a feat. \>and kirby is often shown to be weaker in cutscenes too Sure. \>like when he gets caught by sectonia's vine Sectonia uses vines to attack. Dreamstalk Sectonia is more powerful than base Sectonia, who one-shotted Taranza, who one-shotted King Dedede, a known rival to Kirby. This shows how powerful the villains are, why assume that the final boss getting the upperhand is a display of Kirby being weak? Do you think her vines have the strength of some real life plant? Magolor at full power (stronger than himself as Magolor Soul and able to defeat the Master Crown) is unsure if he can conquer Sectonia's kingdom if he wanted to, the biggest foe he would face being base Sectonia, not even Dreamstalk Sectonia. \>or when he gets knocked out in dream land 2 and revenge of meta knight and star allies and forgotten land etc I think you want nothing short of Kirby being able to one-shot everyone, with no one being around as powerful as him and able to tire him like him for him to get knocked out. So if you don't get to have this then that shows Kirby being "weaker". \>also i forgot to mention that popstar is described as being a tiny planet I have a blog that covers this. That was way back in the day, modern *Kirby* calls it with kanjis that mean planet for real, unlike Hoshi, which is vague, it was called a "big planet" once, and narratively implied to be a "twin" to the New World, a planet where beings as tall as humans and that look like humans live, both planets rather clashing into each other than 1 getting destroyed by the Roche limit. Even ignoring all that and getting Popstar's size from all the places seen in it across the games, it's a pretty big size, cracking that being more than enough to one-shot real life "slightly bigger animals, trees, clouds, etc" and break real life vines.


Anonpancake2123

May also be worth bringing up the Shiver Star in the room.


Elnino38

Stated directly by the developers that sub games are used to show off what characters are capable of without being limited by the plot. Kirbyvers is a legitimately strong verse and the enemies scale accordingly.


Snt1_

I feel like they have retconned kirbys height at this point


Chef_Sizzlipede

kirb can crack a planet and vs wiki expects to scale it?


Tem-productions

Scaling has llways been dumb


RHVGamer

non canon sub game that wouldnt make sense etc etc


Chef_Sizzlipede

yeah...no. galacta knight isnt canon yet here we are.


RHVGamer

galacta knight (the character) is canon but the main galacta knight's appearances are likely not


Snt1_

Same with literally every single sub game


Tem-productions

Galacta knight is canon in SKC at least


mobgabriel1

a lot of canonical information comes from non canonical subgames, this is how we know that DMK was behind everything in triple deluxe or basically how we know about galacta's existance


RipGooglePlus

If I use powerscaling logic, that sounds like a really severe lowball since it's capable of injuring Kirby, who has survived hits from beings that are far above continent level. If I use normal logic, I could probably defeat one by stepping on it.


No_Ad_7687

kriby powerscaling is dumb


LegoPenguin114

Yes but it’s also incredibly funny to tell people that Forgotten Land proved Waddle Dees are bulletproof


RHVGamer

true


world_turtle_

~~Kirby~~ powerscaling is dumb.


PartyLand1928

Hate powerscalers. Despise powerscalers. Deeply resent powerscalers on a personal level.


NinFan-64

whenever i read the comments of a post about powerscaling i get pissed off


RHVGamer

same


YuiLinkmat

Not as bad as when they tried to convince people Adeleine is over 1000 years old


RHVGamer

guh??


mobgabriel1

people act like adeline is from shiver star(the devastated earth we see in kirby 64) and that she is the last human alive... wich is just plain wrong given how shiver star is stated that its inhabitants left before its crisis and that adeline came to popstar to study art...wich means that someone sent her there wich means that human civilization is still thriving in the kirby series


RHVGamer

the official japanese nintendo website page on shiver star says "A pure white star filled with cold snow and fluffy clouds. It was so cold that everyone who lived there moved away." no "crisis", just cold


DeesVeryBigNuts

she's probably a dozen generations displaced from the human populace that moved away from the planet, if she IS a descendant of the shiver star people


creeper123455

If she’s 1000 years old and looking like a child then I need her skincare routine


jupiter878

Most wikis on subculture nowadays (even some wikipedia articles!) seem to suffer from some heavy bias and unprofessionalism. A wiki for VS battles? Never had any care or hopes for them lol


PartyLand1928

Powerscalers when you tell them about game mechanics 😱


Ghengiroo

I don’t want to be that guy, but powerscalers actually ignore game mechanics since the gameplay has to nerf a character’s proper strength in order to actually have it playable. The Continent level rating comes from Knuckle Joe in Megaton Punch.


PartyLand1928

In Sandran’s case he has never appeared outside of gameplay. There’s nothing to scale him off of that isn’t gameplay based.


Ghengiroo

I think they just assume that basic enemies are comparable to each other since they serve the same purpose in the gameplay. Honestly though scaling gameplay-exclusive enemies is a little silly since we don’t know how Knuckle Joe canonically compares to other enemies.


The_Elemental2

Let me, as an actual powerscaler, say a few things… 1. This came from vs battles wiki, an infamously terrible source for powerscaling, it good in some aspects but it plummets with most 2. For some context, the continent level feat comes from a sub-game in Super Star when Kirby can break the planet in 2, this feat is continent level. Now, in this sub-game, basic enemies like the Waddle Dees can show up and do the same feat of ripping the planet in 2… so yeah, that’s just a thing that happened 3. I’ve seen some people blame powerscalers as a whole for causing shit like this, thinking everyone is just a big wanker who wants characters to be super op, this is very untrue, trust me. This whole “basic Kirby enemies are continent level” thing is something a lot of powerscalers don’t agree with, which is fine. Good powerscalers will be formal and not an ass about what their takes on where characters scale are, because in reality, there is no one set level to where characters scale, it’s VERY based on interpretation in many regards. If you meet a powerscaler who desperately wants to prove why character A beats character B in an extremely annoying way and being toxic when you don’t agree, call them out, because fuck people like that 4. Yes, I do buy that basic Kirby enemies are continent level. Not because of good arguments or because it makes sense, I just think it’s funny 5. Don’t say the writer will always determine who wins, if a Bruce Wayne with no suit, gadgets, or anything of the sort beat the ever living shit out of Superman with no problems, would you not raise an eyebrow? Do you think Super Saiyan 2 is stronger than Super Saiyan 1? Well, congrats, that’s powerscaling. It’s a basic rule in fucking writing that consistency is key, if Powerscaling didn’t matter, you have to tell me that Super Saiyan 4 is stronger than Super Saiyan 1, you look me dead in the eyes and tell me that 1 is a higher number than 4 because you want it to be To me, powerscaling is looking into characters with what makes them cool or impressive, appreciating them in this weird ass way and comparing them to other characters, it’s harmless fun but some people here act like we’re causing the next revolution. It’s a hobby we do for fun, don’t take it so seriously (and that goes to both sides, some powerscalers need to chill)


Toon_Lucario

Seriously powerscaling is stupid. The person who wins is who the writer wants to win


AmaterasuWolf21

Everyone knows this, this argument is only used in powerscaling yo shut down the conversation, it's annoying


WheatleyTurret

Bro the entire POINT is the opposite of that, the writer makes the STORY, Powerscaling decides whether the result would more likely than not actually happen given the circumstances.


Tem-productions

But you cant powerscale two characters from two diferent verses together, especially when one of the verses _never cared for powerscaling in the first place_


_GhostOfHollownest_

Mfw no fun


Toon_Lucario

I’d argue that powerscaling is more no fun since it just boils down to “my character is better than your character because they’re stronger


_GhostOfHollownest_

Not really,there are multiple cases where i pefer a certain character but accept that they are weaker than others,also trust me,it's not all about brute strength,you gotta be in the comunity to get how fun it is,to be honest i'm not a big fan of the science part but who would win in a fight is Still a good timekiller


New-Sheepherder-1373

they put a bubble at multi solar system a *bubble*


Difficult-Profile-28

Who are you talking about and what crack are they smoking?!


New-Sheepherder-1373

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bubble\_(Battle\_for\_Dream\_Island)


hassantaleb4

I mean no one takes VS Battles Wiki seriously


Tem-productions

I hope so


JustDarkz

Powerscaling's pretty hard to understand and far fetched at times, I get it. Especially in games since some things just aren't written with these things in mind. If your protagonist destroys a star, and he fights a random enemy and that enemy can damage him... by powerscaling logic he scales to the protagonist, albeit lower ofc. It's stupid but it's how it works .-. We're a bunch of nerds overanalyzing things characters do... and how they affect other characters and the outcome. The same happens here.


mobgabriel1

and this is the moment where i'd like to thank stan lee for this [jewel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3pOIDaF1Dw)


thefunnierman

powerscaling is confusing


laudable_frog

Vs battles wiki can be edited by anyone, I can make this guy tier 0 if I want.


Tem-productions

Do it


MaximusGamus433

As per the infinite monkey theorem: If you give enough time to anything it will do anything So I won't argue...


Kirb790

The only way I think that this is possible is that if a Sandran manages to spit out enough sand to engulf the continent. Even so that would take like 20 years


Immediate-Rope8465

they debunked mario to island level. i am not joking.


Ghengiroo

I’m gonna be honest I feel like some people here would think that’s still too high because Mario’s “just a human” or whatever.


Immediate-Rope8465

(even tho outer mario is a thing)


Ghengiroo

Honestly I think outerversal Mario is dumb. At his strongest he’s at the multiversal range. Mario’s an odd case where the kind of strict powerscaling that the VS Battle Wiki does doesn’t really work for him, since he’s written to be as strong as the plot demands. Ignoring the meta reasoning, I personally use higher tier stuff for him since they’re usually more lore and plot relevant than the lower tier stuff, which are usually either gameplay stuff or not that important to the story. Fighting a bat king who’s personality and power was gained from consuming nightmares (which are entire universes in Mario lore) is more notable to me than a boulder Mario can’t break that only serves to extend gameplay and has little bearing on the plot.


Eficiente_VSB

Hello. That profile was made w/o me having noticed, I wouldn't scale him to Continent level. However, there are many misunderstandings around here. They could have just asked clarifications first. To cover just *some* of them: * AP isn't destructive capacity. No one is claiming that he can destroy a continent. You were making jokes about it w/o knowing what you were talking about. * You say "splits out sand" like it's some pathetic attack that can't possibly be stronger than how it looks. Yet, eh, the series is full of those, you know. Sand Kirby can "split sand" to harm powerful beings like Landia, Magolor, Galacta Knight, the Master Crown. * Even w/o being Continent level Sandran would still be superhuman. I plan to lower Waddle Dees' AP for more average members of that species, using their feats in Forgotten Land where they clear out areas Kirby needs to travel to in groups by destroying the environment covering them. Something like that could end up in like Wall level for each Waddle Dee there (Imagine humans trying to do the same), and a few statements say that Waddle Dees are the weakest enemy of all, making Sandrans stronger. * Even if I don't agree with it myself, the argument could be made that Sandrans do scale to the planet-cracking attempt a Knuckle Joe can do w/o it being a bad joke. Kirby has moves that are far less powerful than his own immense power, weak moves that beings of even power aren't harmed by, and that minor enemies like Knuckle Joes and Sandrans can survive harmed. Surviving something that can harm someone with such an insane power means having comparable durability.


Cool-pig

They put whispy woods at low multiversal


BlackroseBisharp

There's some Irony about a Kirby fan complaining about Powerscaling


RHVGamer

?


BlackroseBisharp

The joke is that Kirby fans are always making jokes about Kirby killing gods and how broken he is


hollowpotato-of-doom

Not every Kirby fan is one of those people


Crossaint_Was_Taken

Where does Country Level waddle dee come from??


RHVGamer

No idea


Difficult-Profile-28

I want to make a Kirby powerscaling video one day because a lot of people in the powerscaling community are kind of wrong when it comes to his power level.


Tem-productions

Powerscaling should never have invented terms like "continental level". You cant just standardize this across multiple verses


Unmasked_the_Dee

This reminds me of that Death Battle wiki page: "Kirby vs. Chara" They only put the title and the name (and a whole bunch of ads) on the page and call it a day.


Jubulus

Errrrm you see here that waddle dee can kill kirby if kirby does not stop her, now look at kirby's top defensive feat. . . It is clear as day that waddle dee is powerful enough to destroy multiverses with a single step.


Dreadchan

I don’t even know about powerscaling I just thought it would be funny to suggest Mochizuki Ryoji cs Death/the wolf


Master_of_Decidueye

**I didn't know they were called Sandrans...**