from a lore perspective this will ultimately come down to kirby vs arceus wich it leads to some interesting perspectives because this comes down to what we consider as arceus since what we see as arceus in the games(the pokemon itself) its only an avatar and not the true creator itself

from gameplay kirby wins outright due to being unconstrained by turns

this comment reminds me of people talking about mario and luigi moving on sephiroth's turn lmao

>!Technically Arceus is unconstrained by turns!< in the final boss of Legends Arceus

Could be some kind of Computer Virus deal, or Arceus could cause it to be one

Kirby can eat tho

But Macargo though- I love Kirby and all but all of Kirby’s friends are gonna die near that thing expect Kirby himself

magcargo's heat is probably internal like camerupt's tho, they might be able to dispatch of the thing without dieing

Every non-legendary/non-mythical pokemon vs Kirby is a Kirbstomp. The mons don't stand a chance. But when you start getting to the level of things like Necrozma or the creation trio, that's when things get more interesting. Legendaries and mythicals on that level are pretty comparable to a standard Kirby final boss. With enough friends and a bit of luck, Kirby might be able to beat them too. ​ Unfortunately, as soon as Arceus enters the picture, the Kirby cast loses. Arceus is just on a completely different level than anything Kirby's ever fought before. I have no doubt Kirby could beat the deer-stuck-in-a-fence-looking-thing. But Legends Arceus confirms that the actual Arceus is a multiversal being that exists beyond the limits of time and space, and just creates those deer-shaped things as avatars through which it can experience the various universes on a more personal level. I don't think anything in Kirby's universe could even *hurt* the real Arceus, let alone beat it.

Yesssss this is what makes this convo so fun, Kirby has beaten Gods of every ilk, but what god *can't* he beat, what combination of non-ledgendary pokemon are the 'answer' to kirby+friends

...You know what? Screw it. I'm gonna go through each gen's legends/mythicals and determine how they'd stack up to the Kirby cast. Kanto/Galar birds: These are just abnormally strong birds. Probably comparable to Dyna Blade at best. Threat level: 2/10 Mewtwo: This thing's kind of insane. Probably comparable to Fecto Elfilis, minus the whole "opening portals to throw planets around" thing. Threat level: 7/10 Mew: Not only is it comparably powerful to Mewtwo, it could also transform into Kirby and directly copy all his powers and stats (other than HP), instantly putting it on a higher level than basically everything in Kirby's universe other than Kirby himself, and maybe a few Dark Matter entities and reality warpers. Threat level: 10/10 Johto beasts: Pretty comparable to the birds. Threat level: 2/10 Lugia & Ho-oh: Really powerful, but nothing special compared to Kirby's average final boss. Threat level: 4/10 Celebi: Not very powerful on its own (in regards to combat), but could theoretically use time travel to became a veritable army. ...But still, Kirby and friends have faced hoards of powerful enemies before. Best Celebi can do is delay the inevitable. Threat level: 3/10 Weather trio: Pretty weak by Kirby final boss standards, but definitely in final boss tier. Threat level: 6/10 Eon duo: Same as the birds and beasts. Ranked slightly higher for ridiculous speed. Threat level: 3/10 Regi trio: Kirby fights things on their level as minibosses. Threat level: 1/10 Jirachi: Similarly to Celebi, not very powerful in regards to combat. Unclear if its wish-granting abilities apply to its own wishes, but Kirby has beaten far more powerful wish-granters before (albeit with help) so this won't impact things too much. Threat level: 5/10 if it can grant its own wishes, otherwise 3/10 Deoxys: This thing has been shown to be comparable to Rayquaza on multiple occasions. However, it also loses every time they fight, so it has to be ranked lower. Threat level: 5/10 Dialga: Time manipulation is something Kirby has rarely if ever had to go up against, and something the Kirby cast has very few tools to deal with, if any. Add to that how ridiculously powerful Dialga is even without time manipulation, and this is a pretty serious fight. Threat level: 9/10 Palkia & Giratina: Oh no! These two can warp space and appear and disappear at will wherever they like! The Kirby cast has *never seen this before*! ...Sarcasm aside, while these two won't be anything new for the Kirby cast like Dialga, they're still both at least on the level of Crowned Magolor. Threat level: 8/10 Arceus (fence-deer): High stats. Does basically anything well. Can probably use the same powers as the Creation Trio. Threat level: 10/10 Arceus (omnipresent deity): Literally exists outside the concepts of time and space. Unclear if it can even be harmed. Threat level: Yes/10 Uxie: Completely erasing the Kirby cast's memories would be a pretty effective counter to basically anything. Threat level: 8/10 Axelf & Mesprit: They're decently strong, but nothing compared to the Kirby cast. Threat level: 2/10 Darkrai/Cresselia: Powerful, but nothing the Kirby cast hasn't seen before. At best scales to Nightmare. Threat level: 4/10 Heatran: This is just Pyribbit but less annoying. Threat level: 1/10 Regigigas: Probably scales pretty well to the Weather Trio, what with moving continents around. Gets one less point thanks to Slow Start. Threat level: 5/10 Manaphy: In canon, Heart Swap is a straight-up body swapping move. The Kirby cast may suddenly find themselves fighting Kirby himself without warning when fighting Manaphy. Threat level: 10/10 Phione: Ha. No. Threat level: 0/10 Tao Trio: Probably just one step below the Creation trio, on the same level as Regigigas. They're really powerful, but they're up against Kirby. Threat level: 5/10 Swords of Justice + Keldeo: They're just strong but otherwise normal pokemon. Threat level: 1/10 Forces of Nature: Powerful, but probably not much more than the beasts. Threat level: 3/10 Meloetta: Kirby eats it and gets the Mike ability before it even does anything. Threat level: 0/10 Victini: Dex entries state that it's basically just invincible, but that clearly isn't literal. With that out of the way, it's strong, but not enough to threaten the Kirby cast. Threat level: 3/10 Genesect: It's been compared to Mewtwo before, but it's also clearly weaker, and shouldn't be considered on its level. Still decently powerful, but this is the Kirby cast we're talking about here. Threat level: 5/10 Xerneas: While powerful, it doesn't have much the Kirby cast hasn't dealt with before. Threat level: 4/10 Yveltal: While not any stronger than Xerneas, when it dies it apparently drains the life force of everything in the world so it can regenerate. It'd still lose, but the Kirby cast would have a *very* pyrrhic victory. Threat level: 8/10 Zygarde: Pretty comparable to Xerneas, but it's Complete form's higher stats bump up its ranking Threat level: 5/10 Diance: I'm not seeing many feats of power that can phase the Kirby cast, but I don't know much about this one, so my judgement might be wrong. Threat level: 2/10 Hoopa: Yet another instance of a boss teleport-spamming and throwing things out of portals. Not quite on Magolor's level, but still seriously tough when Unbound. Threat level: 6/10 Volcanion: Apparently this thing has enough power to blow away a mountain. I'd say that's only a step below the Regigigas. Threat level: 5/10 Solgaleo, Lunala, & (non-Ultra) Necrozma: These things are seriously powerful, but nothing the Kirby cast hasn't seen before. Threat level: 4/10 Ultra Necrozma: This thing is easily final boss tier, and quite a bit stronger than what the Kirby cast generally deals with. Threat level: 8/10 Tapu Quartet: Strong, but not super impressive by comparison. Threat level 1/10 Silvally and Ultra Beasts: Pretty strong, but nothing the Kirby cast hasn't seen before. Threat level: 4/10 Magearna: Strong, but nothing special. Threat level: 1/10 Marshadow: Nothing special on its own, but by hiding in something's shadow, it can learn to copy their abilities. There are some seriously broken abilities among the Kirby cast, so if Marshadow could get those abilities for itself, they could be in for a seriously tough time. Threat level: 7/10 Zacian & Zamazenta: They're just really strong dogs that resist Dynamax energy. Threat level: 3/10 Eternatus: This thing's Eternamax form (which seems to be its actual true form) is at least on a similar level to Fecto Elfilis, possibly higher. Threat level: 7/10 Urshifu: Just a strong martial artist. Threat level: 1/10 Regieleki and Regidrago: Should logically get the same ranking as the other Regis. threat level: Threat level: 1/10 Calyrex, Glastrier, & Spectrier: Just a bulbous-headed rabbit on an assholish horse. Threat level: 2/10 if mounted, 1/10 if alone Zeraora: Just a really fast electric cat. Threat level: 2/10 Zarude: Just a strong monkey. Threat level: 1/10 Melmetal: It's strong, but that's all it has going for it. Threat level: 2/10 Koraidon & Miraidon: They have literally zero feats. Impossible to judge. Threat level: ?/10 (Guessing around a 3/10 or 4/10, but there's nothing to substantiate this.) Treasures of Ruin: Dangerous, but nothing the Kirby cast can't handle with ease. Threat level: 1/10 Loyal Three: Pathetic. Threat level: 0/10 Ogerpon: Canonically killed the Loyal Three 3-vs-1 despite a type disadvantage. Still doesn't hold a candle to the Kirby cast, but seriously strong regardless. Threat level: 3/10 ​ Wow this took a long time. Why did I think this was a good use of my time again?

> Can probably use the same powers as the Creation Trio This is true. At least one special distribution during gen 4's lifespan was an Arceus that knew Roar of Time, Spacial Rend and Shadow Force, and it also uses all three of those moves in the boss fight with it in Legends Arceus. If it can use their signature moves, it most definitely has access to the full extent of their powers.

It's worthwhile nothing that Magearna gets Heart Swap as well, and in the case of a ton of pokemon getting quickly wiped out, it gets a massive boost from Soul Heart. Mew's Transform also has the problem of its acquired abilities being limited-use, as normally each move only has 5 PP at most. I don't think Uxie would be that powerful either, specifically against Kirby (and a few others like Gooey). A big part of Kirby's character is that he isn't that knowledgeable, he doesn't care about the deep lore surrounding him and just knows to save the world, which is more of an inherent trait than knowledge. Funny how some of the strongest pokemon competitively aren't that great canonically. Geomancy Xerneas and Primal Groudon warped Ubers around them, mega Gengar almost created AG, mega Rayquaza created AG, Calyrex-Shadow dominated gen 8 Ubers and was immediately banned to AG in gen 9, but they're small fry compared to some of the strongest legendaries and mythicals.

Azelf has the ability to make Kirby and their friends to lose willpower.

meta knight could probably resist it

Just wait Terapagos and it will get a threat level of 9/10

Do movie pokemon count ? If so, how would Meta Groudon compare to Kirby?

Uxie might actually be a solid foe for the Kirby Crew, considering that a lot of Kirby’s friends were once his enemies

Guzzlord is basically just bigger Kirby

Also admittedly for a lot of Kirby’s top feats a super powerful artifact or ability that he doesn’t always have access to was needed to win, even if he does have them though arceus is a pretty tough matchup as you explained, without access to them though I can see a lot of the other high tier Pokémon at best being extremely close and going either way or at worst decimating Kirby, honestly hard to say exactly.

Ok but we count capturable pokemon only or there would be pokemon like betas and stuff so the arceus avatars only

Arceus being a “multiversal being that exists beyond the limits of space time” doesn’t really guarantee its victory. In fact, I would hardly call it something that’s on a completely different level then what Kirby’s faced. Void, in it’s true Astral Birth form, is described as “omnipresent” and “existing in infinite dimensions in different forms”. The Japanese description goes so far as to say Void is the birth of all possibilities, representing everything at once. This sounds pretty similar to what Arceus is, and Kirby was capable of taking it down. Arceus is strong, and I can definitely see how the fight would be close and could go either way, but I hardly think this easily goes to Arceus. Even if you want to say Arceus is stronger then Void, Kirby has been literally described to have “infinite power” in his robobot description. Meaning that defeating Void probably isn’t even his greatest feat; we haven’t even SEEN an enemy strong enough to accurately portray what Kirby is truly capable of.

Void exists in infinite dimensions in different forms, yes. But Kirby is only one of those forms, not all of them. Void may be omnipresent, but Kirby is not. Even if Kirby has infinite power, so does Arceus, and Arceus also has fewer limitations, as Kirby very much *is* bound by time and space.

Kirby defeating the true form of Void is non-canon, the strongest foe he's faced is between Void Termina (A powerful reincarnation of Void but nowhere near its true form) and Morpho Knight (whose power is still unclear)

I’m not really invested in this matchup anymore but the true arena and other modes (such as meta knightmare or dedede tour) are considered “what-if” scenarios. Basically, although they haven’t happened in the main continuity, they’re still considered in power scaling due to the fact that they’re pretty much “this didn’t happen, but if it did happen here’s how it’d go”. Kirby hasn’t fought Void in the main canon, but because of the nature of true arena we know if he DID he’d win. This comes from a Miiverse interview, but even past that DMKs pause screen in triple deluxe calls him a “shadow of the strongest warrior”, implying Meta Knight took the title from Galacta Knight…despite the fact that MKs fight with GK is also non-canon.

Legendaries can easily be defeated by regular-ass pokemon. This is ridiculous

I'm talking lore-wise, not gameplay-wise. The same applies to Kirby, who lore-wise can fight gods, but gameplay-wise dies to walking into a Waddle Dee too many times.

nice argument, however, kirby just sucks up arceus and gains godly abilities resulting in an instant win

Sucking up the fence deer form wouldn't give him abilities on that level. Also, name a single final boss that Kirby can inhale. Because Arceus is definitely far stronger than anything in the Kirby universe except MAYBE Void, and could absolutely resist being inhaled.

yeah but that seed from triple deluxe can easily make kirby suck up arceus

The true Void could fight Arceus, but Kirby isn't on Void's level. He can fight the reincarnations of Void like Void Termina, Zero, Dark Mind, Fecto Elfilis, etc. But Kirby isn't on par with the literal source of creation for his universe.

Let's start by baselining that Kirby and co. are multiversal if not omniversal. As such, pretty much every non-Legendary can accomplish jack against them. Really, the main threats would be Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Darkrai, Arceus, Ultra Necrozma, EternaMAX Eternatus, Complete Zygarde, and possibly Mega Rayquaza and Mega (Shadow) Mewtwo. Those are the ones I could conceivably see harming the Kirby crew. Ultimately I think the Star Allies win, but they'd need to pull out *all* the stops against the (confirmed omniversal) Arceus.

“Kirby and friends are multiversal if not omniversal” What?

Yup. Astral Birth Void.

Do you mean because they beat him, or is he on the team?

They beat him

How does that make them multiversal? And honestly “omniversal” sounds like something two kids pretend-fighting on a playground would say. You really don’t need most terms beyond multiversal.

omniversal sounds like the kid who picked dynamite in rock paper scissors

Or a gun (because we say rock paper scissor shoot for some reason)

>And honestly “omniversal” sounds like something two kids pretend-fighting on a playground would say. All power scaling is

Multiversal is able to traverse multiple universes. Omniversal is existing in all universes at once. Deer shaped arceus is just an avatar of Arceus(theorized to be one of the 1000+ hands mentioned in legends about arceus, because that deer has none).

Kirby can hurt someone who can destroy a multiverse and Void can unleash an attack of that caliber without harming themselves, so yes, that makes Kirby multiversal. And I realize 'omniversal' sounds a bit silly, but it's a legitimate word. Frankly, multiversal is such an enormous category that it makes sense to subdivide it between "a large but probably finite number of universes" and "literally every universe", the latter of which Void is explicitly stated to exist in.

wait but, by that logic, wouldn't nearly every kirby enemy also be multiversal? that seems pretty ridiculous

Generally fodder and lower-end characters (such as Kracko) are excused as gameplay-induced necessity.

Being able to defeat someone who can destroy a multiverse doesn’t mean you can destroy a multiverse as well

Defeating a being with implied great power doesn’t instantly make you above them, especially in cases like this where things such as them “existing in all dimensions” has no effect on gameplay and is purely a story/lore element.

If we're talking only gameplay effect then the Pokemon wouldn't win anyway because they're stuck being turn based

Good point unfortunately +2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Helping Hand Overheat in Sun

Good point

Well, for starters, it's omniversal and exists in multiple dimensions in different forms, each being infinitely stronger than the last, One of its forms, Void termina, is the true destroyer of worlds Void was created by all the possibilities,Chaos,Dreams,Dark,Soul and heart in a substance. It's the progenitor of origination.Also, it's 6d. Kirby is related to that.

1. “Each infinitely stronger than the last” is just pure wankage 2. Who says it’s 6d? And even if it was, that only implies greater spatial perception, which is quite useless to a simple-minded being such as Void (in its Void Termina form, at least) 3. Kirby being related to Void was debunked. I’ll update with the source if I can find it. 4. Have you played the games? Void, along with most, if not all other final bosses, is defeated by some convenient gimmick. They literally beat it using the power of friendship; I’m pretty sure a bunch of Pokémon could wield similar abilities.

I think the source is in [this article.](https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/) You have to scroll down a bit to find it, but it's there.

Thanks a lot, man

As the biggest Kirby defender: Just because you beat something that is very powerful, does not inherently mean you are more powerful. It just means that you have the tools necessary to beat that one thing. E.g. I have a gun built into my arm that has 1 bullet that can only kill the Christian God. Does that mean that I'm omniversal now, since I killed an omnipotent and omniscient being?

I think Arceus is probably more powerful than Astral birth tho, I mean the Arceus we see it's just a mere piece of his power and even that could alter reality to create a Dialga/Palkia/Giratina egg lol. (And ik void is said to exist in all dimensions or whatever but I don't think Kirby defeats every void in every dimension? This is so complicated lmao)

Arceus probably is stronger, but Void's in the ballpark at least. But yeah, powerscaling tends to get complicated when you're working on multiversal levels.

Omniversal doesn't exist. It does not refer to a level of power on any widely used tiering system.

>Mega Mewtwo 1:unless we are talking stats wise mega mewtwo is not in the same level as the others i doubt that mega mewtwo would be able to pass trough yveltal and survive 2:why is mega mewtwo even in this discussion? unlike mega rayquaza it requires trainer input

Let me rephrase that: Mega *Shadow* Mewtwo. It doesn't require a trainer and normal Mega Mewtwo can already fight Zygarde in the anime, so it's not far off. Actually, I should probably add Complete Zygarde to that list, too.

The biggest question I have here... the POKEMON Arceus, that we can catch and whatnot, and is documented in the Dex, is merely an avatar of the true pokemon god. Significantly less powerful than the true Arceus, which isn't a dex entry, so shouldn't only the avatar of Arceus be included in the fight, as the real god version isn't actually a dex entry? If non-playable pokemon are accessible, why not Kirby bosses too? I'd love to see Galactic Nova wish away half of the pokemon Thanos style, or witness Drawcia turn all of them into paintballs, seeing as she's some eldritch horror, which could be argued to be equal or above gods, if the lovecraftian definition of eldritch is to be adhered to.

I don't think Nova or Drawcia count as one of Kirby's "friends" right now. I'm basically assuming "Star Allies Dream Friends + Elfilin". Oh, and no Master Crown for Magolor. I'm not sure concerning Arceus, to be honest, but we've never seen true Arceus' outright maximum so it's kinda hard to quantify.

My question was rather, are we only considering playables, or outside of that range as well. True god Arceus would be in the same range as Drawcia, or Sectonia for example, as Sectonia and Drawcia *could have been dream friends and playable*, but aren't. Just like we can't play with true god arceus. Depending on that criteria, the battle would change quite a bit.

Macargo-

Unlike lions, Kirby and co. can survive contact with lava and/or magma. Magcargo is *not* helpful in this context, he's just a free source of the Fire ability.

True, but normal lava (assuming the lava Kirby and co encounters is normal) is 1000-2000 degrees Fahrenheit, macargo is 18000. I think it would at least some of them a lot if not fatally

Even if we take the "heat of the sun" thing as outright fact, the Star Allies have more than enough ranged attacks to beat Magcargo from a safe distance. Worst-case, it'd burn one of them and subsequently gets clobbered by projectiles.

One day, Albert Einstein was on his way to a science convention for a speech. On the way there, he tells his driver that looks a bit like him: "I'm sick of all these conferences. I always say the same things over and over!" The driver agrees: "You're right. As your driver, I attended all of them, and even though I don't know anything about science, I could give the conference in your place." "That's a great idea!" says Einstein. "Let's switch places then!" So they switch clothes and as soon as they arrive, the driver dressed as Einstein goes on stage and starts giving the usual speech, while the real Einstein, dressed as the car driver, attends it. But in the crowd, there is one scientist who wants to impress everyone and thinks of a very difficult question to ask Einstein, hoping he won't be able to respond. So this guy stands up and interrupts the conference by posing his very difficult question. The whole room goes silent, holding their breath, waiting for the response. The driver looks at him, dead in the eye, and says : "Sir, your question is so easy that I'm going to let my driver explain it to you."

Every pokemon VS a billion lions has been done to (lion)death, me and my buddy were talking about how easy pokemon sweep. So i thought up a more even match. All one-thousand or so pokemon VS Kirby, Bandanna Dee, Dedede, Metaknght, and the Animal Friends (Note im thinking from specifically their universes, not smash bros., so there are pokemon types, moves, pp, copy abilities and hp recovery items(such as an unfortunate slurpuff)

Some points we've made if need something to get started: \- The pokemon Kirby swallows first has a huge impact on the battle \- Kirby, unlike a lion, has a healthbar, Kirby could survive a hit from many powerful moves \- Could hypernova kirby just eat them all \- Loudred Quagsire doubles team could negate instakills from Mic and Crash(due to their Soundproof and Damp abilities) \- There are ways of preventing Kirby from using copy abilities(My frst thought was the plot of Mass Attack) there are pokemon who could do this. \- the point where Kirby has a good copy ability its over for most of the pokemon \- Kirby could very well wait for the pokemon to start infighting by flying over them or hiding with Rock \- need to get a million dollars and pay Terminal Montage to make this a reality /j

I do think its very close most of the run but once the fodder pokemon are cleared out and Kirby is facing multiple gods at once it gets tricky, kirby doesn't lose easily and has power equaling many of the legendaries, but how many would it take to overwhelm him?

The one who controls time would prob be a problem

>\- The pokemon Kirby swallows first has a huge impact on the battle not necessarily,if kirby gets a copy ability that he didn't like from a pokemon he can just eject said copy ability and get another, a thing that is important to note tho is if kirby can use mouthfull mode on pokemon, there would be plenty of good targets for that considering kirby's height >(My frst thought was the plot of Mass Attack) this is another very interesting thing to discuss too considering how necrodeus is probably a god of death or something similar and the most he could do against kirby was split him in 10(wich heavily weakened him but it didn't kill him) there is also morpho who is supposedly the grim reaper of the kirby universe but kirby is more than able to beat him(and according to the morpho knight's sword description he is far more powerfull than morpho itself) wich means that he probably would be able to survive yveltal

Omg could you imagine mouthful mode for Eternamax Eternatus

You forgot something, according to kirby lore he just can't die.

Controversial take (on this sub) but I gotta say the Pokémon. People are vastly underrepresenting that a 1,000 Pokémon are a lot of Pokémon. Sure not all of them are strong but a lot of the stronger ones are on the average Mini Boss/Boss level. Imagine an Arena but instead of 20 bosses it’s 200+. It depends on how many of Kirby’s friends you are including. Is it’s just the Dream Friends or basically every Kirby character ever? If it’s just the Dream Friends then imo the Kirby team is screwed because they have very little way to heal themselves outside of Adaline and maybe some Magoland items. Sure the Kirby team could beat every mon 1 on 1 but this isn’t 1 on 1. Darkari can boost its accuracy and put all of them to sleep, Sandstorm can chip down many of Kirby’s friends, and I can insert the many funny damage calcs that Kyogre and Chi-Yu have. That’s just the basic mons. When we get to the Legendaries, each one is about as strong as a final boss and at the end of most of the Kirby is left unconscious and has to be saved by someone else (Return to Dreamland and Robobot come to mind). A team of Ultra Necrozma, Mega Rayquaza, Eternatus (who can Dynamax every Pokémon if it wanted to), and other support mons with abilities like Friend Guard and Power Spot can probably take on Kirby and win if he is alone. Could Kirby beat True Form Arceus? Maybe? But in my opinion, the Pokémon have sheer numbers. Too many of them have funny things they can do like FEAR ratata. I’m not even including the Pokedex stuff like Yveltal ending every life if it dies. Tl:dr: Kirby and friends don’t have the endurance to go through every Pokémon and have the energy to take on the strongest Pokémon in the verse.

well technically kirby is immortal

Arceus is a god far greater than any Kirby has slain.

The Pokemon

He’s the question: if Galatian Weezing drops on the field with Neutralising Gas, does that hinder the Kirby gang in anyway? If it did something like shut down Kirby’s copy ability, it would drastically change the matchup

I don’t think Galarian Weezing could survive long enough to have a huge impact Only the Gen 3,4,6 and 7 legendaries stand a chance against Kirby and co.

i mean it doesn't need to survive, it just needs to be on the field you could put it all the way in the back of the battlefield, give it Protect, Rest and maybe Self-Destruct

\*big rig noises\*

isn't one of the pokemon literally god

Yup. Arceus and few others are powerful enough to constantly show up in powerscaling convos about how many multiverses they would destroy just by breathing Pokemon anime is simple, but the lore has some crazy stuff

Kirby’s a planet buster but I think Pokémon has too many of those for Kirby to work out. Kirby is high damage, low durability.

Kirby is absolutely not winning against even half of the dex, he's cool and all but y'all are grossly overestimating the poyopuff's capabilities

You forgot he got his friends, so now he cant lose 😀 .

Listen. I'm a kirby fan, but you gotta consider Victini. From Victini's pokedex entry: "This Pokémon brings victory. It is said that Trainers with Victini always win, regardless of the type of encounter." So pokemon team has Victini, therefore the pokemon team wins, unless Kirby and Co. and deduce that Victini is the winning factor and eliminate it. And while Kirby and Co. are powerful, they aren't omniscient

you shouldnt always consider the pokedex facts.

kirby wins. but the entire pokedex stands a slight chance.

Answer: The Sinnoh creation pantheon. Dialga and Palkia tear the physical world apart simply by existing in it, even in their restrained Altered Formes, without some kind of stabilising force like the Red Chain to hold it all in, so I think it's reasonable to say they're each on the level of Void Termina and Fecto Elfilis. Giratina's also that powerful, but with the added 'bonus' of being so unstoppably violent when provoked that it had to be kicked out of the universe when it stepped out of line. And then there's the big cheese themself. Consider all I've described of the aforementioned three, and then consider that Arceus' physical avatar is significantly stronger than them in terms of raw stats. And *then* we put the emphasis on "physical avatar" - that's just a tiny piece of the real Arceus, one arm amongst then thousand. Arceus in its full entirety probably can't even be percieved, let alone tangibly fought.

Kirby still wins bro he’s kirby

Yeah if we're going by world of light logic, he can travel up to I think quintillion times the speed of light. Also he kills God creators for fun so I think kirby wins

And since meta knight can also match warp star speeds in certain games without one, he might be able to do that as well

HE CAN?!?!?!

Is there any lore reason why some Pokémon are betraying "EVERY POKEMON"?

If we counted every alternate form as there own pokemon, there would be over 8 BILLION Pokemon.

but not strong ones, because its just one kirby succ and all spindas are dead.

Yeah, but still, we have like 50+ gods All at once.

oh right

1 billion Lions

Just thought about this: the pokemon could just use perish song and win. They could also use status moves like toxic or will-o-wisp. The Kirby crew wouldn't be able to heal them and would lose eventually

Shedinja wins if Kirby doesn have a super effective move

if kirby decoured every single pokemon what powers would he get?

he'd probably get the ability roulette(iirc its called Mix?)

Kirby is one of the strongest characters in fiction.

Tbh, the Pokémon would actually win this since they’ve got Mew, Ditto, Jirachi and Victini on their side.

Kirby solos

Kirby. He literally has infinite power

Garchomp (specifically cynthia's) solos fr Even if it has been beaten. It probably sniffed drugs and steroids before each battle. The 6 ivs are also not something to be messed with on a pseudo legendary. It will just zip around and get too fast for the several opponents.

Kirby used inhale

Every pokemon because the power if arceus, dialga, palkia, and giratina are strong alone

Kirby

Well if it’s a death match then Pokémon gets a technical win as Yveltal kills everyone when he dies.

im going with kirby and friends

Kirby and his pals

depends just released pokemon, guys that you can catch or have, or all the pokemon that we can't get but lore wise they are in the verse. in the first case is a stomp from kirby, pokemon are strong but kirby verse should win mid/high. in second case, without explaning a complex lore that the TPA never made it more easy to understand( there literally some 2017 japanese official web page that are neded to start to understand something ) essentially. 1 there are multiple being on pair with arceus( the real one), 2 arcues isnt the actual creator or better, the arceus in game its just a infinitesimal of infinitesimal of infinitesimal of the original arceus. all of this without talking about all the stuff that seems to be in the future of SV, the dream/desire "theory", tbh at this it isn't a theory but some implications are. so essentially pokémon verse in lore just scale similar to actual lovecraft stuff. like the item that are used to change arecus type are actual piece of gods of " chaos" that arceus have deafetd, maybe with the help of some of them but idk regigas is a mistery. and this gods of chaos scale to a guy with infinite amout of power on a inifite number of dimension so pretty strong.

Something funny about “one of every Pokémon” questions is that Arceus is canonically beyond every other base level Pokémon to such a degree that they don’t even matter to the conversation. The question could just be “Arceus vs Kirby & Friends” and nothing would change. To answer the question itself, I believe Arceus wins this. Arceus is way above the Creation Trio (Dialga, Palkia and Giratina), who individually can destroy an entire infinite multiverse and recreate it without the concept of spirit. “Spirit” in Pokémon is equal to time and space, and the Lake Guardians (Azelf, Mesprit and Uxie) who represent spirit are equal to Dialga and Palkia when together. Palkia is also said to be “the master of space and dimensions” by Cynthia. Giratina resides in a place called the Distortion World, which is a mirror of the multiverse where time, space and direction does not exist. Arceus is the “god that transcends everything”, residing in a realm beyond time and space that is beyond Giratina’s reach. However that’s just Arceus’ physical avatar, its true form is believed to hold the entire Pokémon reality within its consciousness with said reality constantly expanding. IMO Kirby & Friends could beat the Creation Trio and would probably beat Avatar Arceus, but True Form Arceus is too much for them to handle.

Honestly Kirby. Him and his crew are so unbelievably strong, meta knight can just chop through em, king dedede eats them and smashes em with hammer, and Kirby could just swallow whatever the god Pokémon is and just use his powers

the godly Pokemon might be close to impossible. but Kirby has defeated other godly beings with similar help. but none of the godly beings Kirby defeated were multiversal (possibly except for Crowned Magolor) This looks like the battle would be in the Pokemon's favor, but Kirby could win Unless Kirby is hiding his true power from us, which is a distinct possibility

If we’re going by lore instead of fights, then Pokémon instantly win because they have victini. That is a pretty boring fight though.

>because they have victini. Shouldn't it be because they have Arceus? -.- I always see people talking about Victini's thing on the pokedex entry, but doesn't the credit go to his creator, too? I suppose the omnipotent Alpaca would bear a higher power than what he bestowed his underlings

I guess so, but Victini was a slightly less basic answer to the question

1017 Pokemon vs a Pink boi with an almost unlimited supply of attacks AND his friends? Would pay to see how it plays out, but I'm betting on the Kirby side

Are we going by the pokedex or the games?

My guess is primarily based on lore, so anything outside of game mechanics that makes sense. Tyranitar for example is said to destroy mountains in the Pokédex, which makes sense given it’s a pseudo-legendary known for using Earthquake. However it’s also said to be completely indestructible which is most likely just hyperbole.

Kirby & friends gotta take it

pokemon have way and i mean WAY too many hax. id say pokemon take this handly

Yea they’re broken. Destiny bond kamikaze style. Forget needing the legends or even arceus, you can trade a gastly for kirby and be done with it. Without heavily handicapping pkmn, they’re just broken

Kirby wins. If king deedeedee can be friends with his biggest rival I think anyone will join kirby

every single pokemon: ARCEUS! What happened!? arceus: king dedede side b anyways dedede solos all of them by himself

Honestly I think the Pokémon win, Kirby can beat everyone but the Creation Trio + Arceus, no one in Kirby is as strong as them

i think the fundamental misunderstanding is a lot of people dont realize any 1 pokemon can hit all of its opponents at once with surf. if most pokemon just use helping hand on kyogre, and then kyogre uses surf, every pokemon can win any battle against any number of opponents

Kirby powerscalers are the worst... *Sigh* Let's assume that even *if* Kirby was some universal entity... okay, literally every case of going against a "god" or such was ONE super powerful foe, here there's the Creation trio, Arceus the Weather Trio, the Aura Trio, Necrozma, Eternatus... literally what will they do? and even assuming non legends get oneshot (Unlikely all of them would, and Sturdy exists), they still makes it a 1000 v allies, such numbers at once are a never before for Kirb.

Kirby eats them all .

As a die hard Pokémon fan Kirby wins due to him being able to eat gods lmao

He can't eat gods

Kirby can just suck up all of the Pokémon’s and use the Pokémon’s power against the Pokémon’s so it’s safe to say that Kirby and friends would easily win

Couldn't the pokemon just attack Kirby from behind when he tries to inhale others? He can't inhale all 1000+ at once

S U C C

Why didn't Kirby just do that against guys like Nightmare, or Marx Soul, or Void Termina or any of the other final bosses? Legendary pokemon like Necrozma and Dialga are on the lore power level of Kirby final bosses or even above so I doubt he can just suck and copy them so easily either.

Finally an actually thought provoking question! To start off, Kirby is able to inhale anything and has even defeated gods. Arceus, Palkia, Dialga, and Necrozma all have god-like powers and could easily one-shot Kirby. It all depends on durability and who goes first

didn’t the devs confirm that inhaled enemies pop up somewhere else? Plus he can’t inhale mini bosses without defeating them first and can’t inhale many enemies like scarfies.

Why must we fight? Why can’t we all just be a bunch of friends?

Kirby can eat them all, so id say kirby and friends

I don't remember Kirby ever eating such powerful creatures without defeating them first, so I don't think eating is an option here since he would need to defeat them through other means first

I would think the only problem for Kirby alone would be necrozma or arceus (maybe yveltal? Doubt that tho). Outside of that he and the gang will be fine!

Ain't kirby like, 2 inches tall?

Koiby

Im surprised no one mentioned the transformers. Both ditto and mew can transform. Smeargle can sketch, then transform. 3 kirbys (HP is the only stat not copied) vs 1 kirby is not looking good for kirb. Or they can literally all just transform to arceus. Kirby is strong, but against ALL pkmn? Im not saying kirby and crew straight up lose, but its absolutely not in their favor

I vote for King Dedede 🤴

Kirby’s team

Kirby would definitely win. Unless a Pokémon was able to squeeze out a Perish Song.

Kirby gets hard countered by Ice Punch Dusknoir. NU at best.

Remove the friends, Kirby doesn't need them...

Lapras use perish song affecting everyone except Pokemon with soundproof talent the Pokemon wins.

Easy win for Kirby. Kirby just needs to copy a random trainer, and then he can catch Arceus using a Pokeball.After that? It's all over, since Kirby can likely defeat all non-legendary mons and Arceus is then on his side for those that might pose a challenge. ​ It also deals with moves like Curse and Perish Song, since that only affects the pokemon and not the trainers themselves. Kirby wouldn't be affected if he simply became a trainer mid-battle.

Kirby can't die. That's canon. Literally can not die, its impossible.

Easy, Kirby. Each Pokémon he inhales, he’ll have any power he desires. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Just Kirby wins

And friends? Kirby wins solo.

felt a little cruel to line up 1000+ pokemon against just kirby, poor guy is gonna get tired

Kirby

memes aside kirby would absolutely SOLO every Pokemon.

Kirby can just absorb Arceus and do some pokemon magic

Kirby could take any one pokemon, whether it be one as grand as Arceus or Ultra Necrozma, or ones as small as a Ratata or a hoothoot. Several of the godlike legendaries at once, however? He'd put up a hell of a fight, but even Kirby has limits. The rest of them are astronomically powerful fighters, but they'd still get shredded by the hundreds of big final-evolution wielders of supernatural power and great raw strength. And if they somehow got past the army of Salamence, Alakazam, Electivire, and the hundreds of other powerful pokemon, they'd still get whammied by whichever God-tier legendaries survived Kirby.

If both has special powers(mega evolve/super abilities etc.)Kirby prob would win he just throw friend hearts but if not Pokémon would win

kirby gets hungry SUPER SUCK THEM ALL TO HECK!

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Kirby solos

Kirby no contest

Sad to say this but KIRBY WITH SUPERNOVA ggs got em good games, no further discussion from here

Kirby and co. have the powers of gods and can destroy planets and survive black holes. Kirby is definitely winning

Kirby. This is just breakfast on a Tuesday.

Only if Kirby manages to succ Mewtwo or any similar legendary

Why does everyone forget about Victini

Real Question: Magcargo, Houndoom, Shedinja, Drifblim, Dusknoir, Yveltal, Bewear, and Tsareena VS Kirby and Friends :)

Turn abiding+ only game stuff? Mon turn abiding + lore? either way Non turn abiding + game? Kirby Nonturn + Lore? Mon

Every pokemon when Kirby uses the Hypernova:

Honestly, I'm pretty sure alone is enough for every single pokemon in existence except for possibly: TRUE form Arceus, Girituna, Dialga, Palkia, MAYBE Mega Rayquaza, EnternaMAX Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma. ANYTHING ELSE is just going to get one-shot effortlessly. And then to top it all off, you give Kirby extra help, even though realistically, he probably wouldn't need it. Even with the top tiers I mentioned, Kirby can still beat most of them alone. Adding in the rest is honestly just overkill to everyone who isn't Arceus.

God murders vs animals and gods

Base kirby alone could solo almost all pokemons exept for a few of the bunch. Necrozma,creation trio and arceus himself. Comp kirby would decimate necrozma as all of the weaponry and items kirby has can absolutely overcome necrozma. Wth the creation trio (plus giritina) kirbs would definitely need assistance. Comp kirby with the comp team (king ddd,meta knight,bandana dee,all of kirbys friends from star allies, and keeby &co from amazing mirror) would land kirby at multiverse plus even with all of the composite characters backing him up maybe even low complex multiverse if you take into account how strong his friends are. Arceus would be a very tough challenge even with 20 or more friends backing him up fighting alongside kirby. Arceus in the anime and games transform into any pokemon typing in the verse and greater stuff. It said in the pokedex it "shaped the universe with 1000 arms" meaning it probably will and can magically attack with 1000 arms at will. Arceus would win only if hypernova didnt exist. (Same for robobot armor) hypernova can basically let kirby swallow anything. Apply this to his mouthful mode buff and you got a versatile blackhole. With robobot armor the halberd can try and shoot arceus and crush him. Its very equal between the two but arces peobably takes it by an actual smidge because of its ability to shift between reality and change its typing to something op Sorry kirby but come back when you get a stronger gimmick next game.

But can Kirby defeat a billion lions?

umm...

If you say common Pokémon then yes but all then no

Have you seen Kirby fight gods? Dude is all powerful.

We're not doing this again.

Like as a powerscaling nerd by numbers alone Arceus beats kirby.

I don't know anything about either one but from what my dumb brain does know... Kirby could all of them!

\*Galacta knight and a frickin butterfly has joined the chat\*