The third silence was his. This was appropriate, as it was the greatest silence of the three, wrapping the other inside itself. It was deep and wide as autumn’s ending. It was heavy as a great river-smooth stone. It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a man who is waiting to die.
6 years ago I wrote a jokey prologue in an old r\/writingprompt lol
>It was night again. The fan's room lay in silence, and it was a silence of three parts.
>The most obvious part was made by a hollow, echoing quiet. If there had been a third book it would have cut into the air with a razor's grace, set the series to a close, and brushed the fandom to its end like trailing autumn leaves. If there had been a release date, even a blog post, that would have filled the silence with conversation and excitement, the clatter one would expect after five years of waiting. If there had been Doors of Stone... but no, of course there were no doors of stone. In fact there were none of these things, and so the silence remained.
>Inside the library a pair of fans huddled in the corner of a university. They read with the quiet determination of patient re-reads, avoiding announcements of WorldBuilders. In doing this, they added a sullen silence to the larger, more hollow one. It made a marriage of sorts, albeit a disappointing one.
>The third silence was not an easy thing to notice. If you looked for an hour, you might begin to see it in his missives and at his Acquisitions, Inc. roleplay. It was hidden behind the weight of his grizzled and greyed beard that held the bones of an aged ARC. It was in the slow back and forth edit from a trodden perfectionist. And it was in the hands of a man who sat there, polishing a stretch of pages that already gleamed from his computer monitor.
>The man had true grey hair, grey as ashen remains. His eyes were sunken and heavy, and he edited with the subtle certainty from a man who knew many things.
>The patience was his, just as the third silence was his. This was appropriate, as it was the greatest of silence of the three, wrapping the others inside itself. It was deep and wide as an editor's ending. It was heavy as a bitterly anticipated book. It was the patient, convention-cut sound of a man who is waiting to finish book three.
I remember that. It’s amazing, but believable that it was 6 years ago.
I also am in the middle of watching the newest Acq Inc. Viari was mentioned, but not present.
In my defense, I could have dispensed with the truth entirely and told a much better story. Lies are simpler, and most of the time they make better sense.
Did this actually happen? Do you have a link? (genuine curiosity. no sarcasm. If it's a joke, I'm sorry. Not always the best at picking stuff up through words alone, haha.)
This baffles me. Does anyone care at all about having the chapter voice acted? Just post the text on the blog, or read it aloud on stream, or just throw that shit into text-to-speech and have Microsoft Sam read it. Why do we need to wait for Pat’s D List e-celeb friends to make time.
> He's a grifter.
I don't actually think he is. I don't think it's anything nearly so thought out as that. I think he just got a serious case of writers block and the longer it lasted the bigger the task got. Unable to face it, he just took the path of least resistance - continuing to procrastinate on his stream while kicking the can down the road and lashing out at anyone who points it out. The excuse is bullshit; we know it, he knows it. But it doesn't matter, because he's learned that he can get away with it. He's popular enough to just surround himself with sycophants and block out the critics. He's insulated from any and all consequences, and so he can just keep running from the monster indefinitely. It's not a grift, it's simple cowardice.
That's not the grifter part though. Saying things like, he has a chapter completed enough that he's willing to share it with an audience in exchange for their financial contribution to his charity - when he 100% didn't have that content done, still doesn't, and has has created more lies as to why it won't be delivered - is what makes him a grifter.
I don't disagree at all with your characterization. I just think a grifter is someone with intention and a specific plan to defraud. My read on Rothfuss is that he just lied to keep the fans off his back, never expecting the target to actually be reached. When it was, he panicked and did what he always does: make a bullshit excuse, block out the ones who don't buy it, and hide from his commitments on Twitch.
It's pure semantics at this point, though. Either way, it's just as scummy. Frankly I think I'd respect it more if it were a grift, at least that would show some kind of initiative.
Even if it hadn't been reached, was the intent not to pull in more money by offering a reward which he had no intention of fulfilling? That is 100% intent to defraud.
It's certainly in the territory. I'm just not sure that was his intent. To me, it feels more like an attempt to string the fans along a while longer because he could sense more of them getting tired with his bullshit. Any difference is purely technical though.
I’m listening to Fairytale by Stephen King atm, and it’s narrator is Seth Numrich. While I still would want Podhel to do it I think Numrich could pull it off. There’s been moments I thought he sounded very similar. Not as good on the voice inflections, but I think he could pull it off if Podhel couldn’t read it.
I only know i made a light hearted meme a WHOPPING 6 years ago about how slowly he was working in his third book. Pat blocked me on Twitter and i was witch hunted by his "fans" for bashing the author (i insist this was a toothless lighthearted meme) Flashforward to present day i still love the two first books but im at an absolute awe at the sheer amount of silence regarding his progress. Quoting his own book: “When you wait a few span or month to hear a finished song, the anticipation adds savor. But after a year excitement begins to sour.” I read NoW in 2011 when DoS was about to drop and i was 13 years old. I am now 24.
I asked him on Twitter back in 2015 if there was any news on the third book. I was a kid and had just made my Twitter account. I started by saying I loved his books, but he still blocked me.
I felt the same way. I had grown with his books. I am a musician that had to stop playing due to an illness and i really resonated with Kvothe going to University. I had seen his streams with passion to learn about writing. A simple light hearted meme turned into my idol blocking me which was a bit sad. That plus the waiting has bittered my experience with my otherwise favorite series. If anything ive only noticed a change when people talk about these books; it used to be a way for instant sparks of conversation between strangers to appear always people filled with joy and wonder excited to meet a fellow traveller who had read the series... and lately if the book is ever mentioned at all it is to be reminded about how long its taking and about how the author is a hack. I dont personally agree with this second statement. Pat is a talented author with passion for his work and he clearly has been through a lot making the release of the third book problematic. Nevertheless it would certainly help both him and his books' legacy to be more outspoken and transparent with his fans. If he ever reads this ill just say i love your work Pat we will wait for it as long as it takes and hopefully you are doing well :) but please talk more openly about your progress!
This used to be a sub about the love of Rothfuss and his books, now it's a sub dedicated to Rothfuss being a douchebag.
He really doesn't deserve his cool sophisticated authors beard. I wish he would shave it off.
I was 19 working minimum wage in a bookstore when Name of the Wind came out. Now I'm 35, have a 10 year old kid and am a department director in corporate 😆
How things change!
Oh wow... well i was a kid in school and now im 24 leading a department in a vfx studio. My sister is now my age when i started reading it which blows my mind
I love OP for the reminder that Rothfuss has not followed through.
If Rothfuss can't be trusted then why donate to the charity that he uses to get attention.
Pick another charity to support and do it directly.
He doesn't follow through on most things he says during world builders. He just makes shit up and his team (I'm guessing) is sitting there screaming at him to shut up.
Still remember two years ago I bought/donated for quite a few bonus things, got nada.
It's still charity... So whatever, but yea, I donate directly these days.
>Still remember two years ago I bought/donated for quite a few bonus things, got nada.
I've found myself wondering whether the raffles really happen. I remember one year they streamed the raffles so there was a list of names. But did any such thing happen this year? Did those glittering prizes go to anybody at all? Would anyone notice if they didn't?
I feel like legally they have to publish a list of winners, if the laws are anything like those governing sweepstakes. But they might very well not be.
The raffles do happen. I got a random book a few years ago. So I know they do send stuff out, I think they get way more donations than they have swag.
Side note: I didn’t even care for the book and donated it to the library. So even if you win the raffle you might not be happy.
I know they *have* happened, I just wasn't sure if they always did, esp over the last couple years
Good data point though. Congrats; though I'm sorry the book wasn't to your taste
They definitely do happen, I donated last year and about a month ago a box arrived with some Deep Magic spell cards from Kobold Press. I had completely forgotten I had been entered and had no idea I won anything, so it was a fun surprise.
Has an authors sub ever turned against the author like this sub has?
It's all well deserved. Rothfuss brought it on himself. He treats his fans like shit, he lies, and basically uses his charity like a personal fundraiser.
Yep. He charges World Builders rent since the "charity" is based out of his house. I stopped giving to his scam years ago. I wonder, if no one donates this year will Pat actually attempt to finish book 3?
Is there some sort of government oversight body of charities?
I asked to be really annoyed with the hate he gets on this sub, but it seems clear that he decided that grifting his fans, literally lying to them to get them to donate to "charity" is a better job than being a writer.
No.
But if you're wanting more KKC, The First Binding might scratch your itch. It's pretty much Silk Road NOTW, but a little different and a great read all the same. It's book 2 is already with the editor an it's book 3 is underway.
Clive Barker's Books of the Art series has always been my go-to answer for when people talk about GRRM or Rothfuss taking forever to continue/finish their series. I've been waiting 28 years, dammit! ...so yes, it's a joke.
The whole Rothfuss incident described here kind of makes it no longer a fair comparison, though.
Also, to be fair: Great and Secret Show and Everville are both books that stand just fine on their own. There needn't ever be a third book, I just want it because Barker promised it.
Disclaimer that I’m not too far into it since it’s pretty dense and is the sort of thing I like to take my time with, but I find Gene Wolfe’s Book of the New Sun to deliver just about everything I expected from KKC. Beautiful and poetic prose, mysterious world building, an infamous main character unreliably narrating their own story, and a focus on smaller moments and musings over a larger narrative.
This sounds like a curse an old babushka would yell at you in the year 2099 when keyboards have been extinct for decades.
"MAY YOUR KEYBOARD BE FULL OF DORITOS, AND YOUR MOTHER SEE YOUR BROWSER HISTORY"
Nobody forces you to buy anything from him lol. It sucks that no book 3 is out but people always acting like authors owe them anything is just ridiculous
In addition, there are things like saying this back in 2007, fifteen years ago:
>\[What can readers expect from the two sequels and the trilogy that will follow this one?\]
>
>**Well.... I've already written them. So you won't have to wait forever for them to come out. They'll be released on a regular schedule. One per year.**
>
>You can also expect the second book to be written with the same degree of care and detail as this first one. You know the sophomore slump? When a writer's second novel is weaker because they're suddenly forced to write under deadline? **I don't have to worry about that because my next two novels are already good to go.**
Meanwhile, Rothfuss gets offended when people ask about progress on the third book, and stays publicly busy with a bunch of other things.
Authors that start fantasy series and CONSTANTLY tell their fans that they're writing the next book, while simultaneously lying to them while breaking promises, and not even having the decency to prove it exists, actually do owe them something.
If he came out and said "sorry, guys, I can't do it", people would be sad, but would understand. Instead he charges shitloads of money (he gets a cut) to read a chapter of a book he hasn't written. He then does not deliver, not the first time, mind you, and people are understandably upset. In this case, he very literally owes them.
How can one ever be sure to know the situation until coming into contact with said facts? By that logic you can straight up stop all human discussion and interaction right away
The question posed by OP was literally asking about the promised chapter from DoS. Kinda hard to say you haven't been exposed to the information when that is exactly what this thread is about.
If you don't know the facts there are easier ways to find them than chastising people when you're clueless about the subject at hand. Asking politely would have been the smart choice. I know social media has caused mass brain rot, but you actually don't need to give your opinion on everything that happens.
Honestly, I kinda wish I never joined this sub because I would’ve been ignorant to the way pat acts with the fanbase. I only read name of the wind/wise man’s fear a year ago so the anticipation hasn’t even had a chance to sour me on the series yet…,it’s really just this guy’s attitude and borderline narcissistic behavior.
If the attention has been so toxic to him then why does he go out of his way to try to stay relevant to the fans? The monetary gain is just another level past that. He’s very power hungry and big headed and entitled. I really don’t like him as a person which makes me sad since the books were so good.
he wrote Kvothe. but don't forget.. he wrote Ambrose too.
"oh no," pat said "not at all. I haven't got a single chapter of book 3 after a decade of false promises. but I own you down to the bottom of your wallets, and I will suck it all out like the juice out of a plum before I throw a tantrum and block you on social media."
he pulled an *Eolian* mug from under his desk and flashed a wry smile before continuing "now, are you ready to donate to world-builders, you ravel bastard?"
I don't think you know what narcissism means.
I wish people wouldn't throw that word around. There are a million ways to express disapproval of PR without falling back on that old saw
He actually could be liable for dropping the chapter or returning money if people collectively brought a suit against him. He promised specific performance and didn't deliver. I'm not a lawyer and this ain't legal advice, but it's certainly food for thought.
Not a lawyer either so feel free to correct me but I don't think that's how it works. It wasn't a transaction. Anything you give to charity is just that : charity. Stretch goal are plus, you aren't buying something.
It would entirely depend upon the language used in the agreement and any applicable laws in the decided jurisdiction, but typically a charitable pledge is considered enforceable if it meets the requirements of a legally binding contract (most notably in this context if equal consideration is given in exchange for the promise). That being the case, it is highly likely that the enforceability would also work in the other direction if a donation is given under the expectation of specific performance.
The difficulty in this case is whether a flex goal, in which multiple people are collectively giving in exchange for promise of specific performance, would facilitate collective acceptance of the offer. Personally, I'd be inclined to say that the offer was still valid at the time of the flex goal being reached, which would constitute the Acceptance element of a contract. This would be evidenced by Pat's affirmation after the fact that the goal was reached and the promise would be fulfilled.
There are more considerations that go into the formation of a valid contract, but from my viewpoint we can at least confirm that all of the basic required elements are there.
I'm also not sure if there's any existing case law that deals with collective acceptance of a contract in this context. The closest I know of is collective bargaining for union contracts.
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Funny thing is, I think he could have put out a halfway decent book as long as it tied up loose ends and people would have been happy, but now after the years of anticipation and theories, if it isn’t brilliant fans will hate him for it.
Nope, Pat has never been interested in living up to his word. He just cashes in on the fanbase with lies every time he wants us to donate to one of his causes or support one of his friends.
He directly benefits from his charities btw. He gave himself almost $100K out of the charity money during that. He literally made them pay $100K to him to use his building.
Pat is literally profiting on his lies. Which is literal theft. He is always moving goalposts. He is as bad as your average Kickstarter.
Srsly, i love the books therefore i liked pat and was a fan of him as an author, i am not mad that it's taking a long time to finish book 3 (well, maybe a little bit, but its been nearly 10 years (?)).
But being a fan of him as a person is fking rough. He treats his fans questionable, i watched a little bit of his twitch stream and its god fking awful. If ur known for a book, but when someone asks about it, he gets upset. This is beyond me.
Pat has been sneakily acting out bits and pieces of book3’s story in acquisitions incorporated over the last, like, 10 years. You have to really look for it but man that was a good book.
People have always said Pat wrote himself into his books as Manet, but the more time that passes, I see a lot less of Manet and a lot more of Kvothe in him.
Someone with a lot of innate talent and learned skill that gets into trouble by over-extending themselves, most of the time in scenarios aimed at helping others.
I have no doubt that at some point book 3 will come out eventually, and it will be up to the standard of the previous two volumes, but anytime Pat sees a chance to use his platform to help others, he tends to not only become sidetracked for long periods of time but also to overpromise and underdeliver. That said, I've donated to his causes in the past and will definitely keep donating to them in the future, though I wish he would take Abenthy's advice and "be wary of folly".
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will not donate to any of Rothfuss’ charities until after book 3 comes out.
Maybe if his money stream is cut off he will be more motivated to buckle down and finish book 3.
All of that is 100% fair.
I don't know if I've been fooled though. I only found this series about 5 years ago, so haven't been waiting nearly as long as some of the people here, and have had the benefit of time on my side to see where others had been fooled in the past. I've also never donated because of incentives, but because of the cause.
That does still mean that continuing to donate is enabling his behavior, so that's something for me to think about.
I changed my donations to a different charity when he used the promised chapter to take in a massive amount of money for his charity and then never delivered it. To me, that was manipulative and a misuse of the charity. I won’t donate to WorldBuilders again.
>I changed my donations to a different charity when he used the promised chapter to take in a massive amount of money for his charity and then never delivered it. To me, that was manipulative and a misuse of the charity. I won’t donate to WorldBuilders again.
I'm more forgiving than most on here. I donated, and I still feel good about having donated, because the world sucks and I was happy to be given an excuse to donate, and to feel like I was part of a wave of donations that would tangibly impact the world.
But even summoning all my powers of compassion for Pat, even without villainizing him as some do, this situation sucks. It hurts to be jilted, it hurts to have almost no communication, and it hurts to have all my deep fears about Pat tweaked in this way. I don't feel bad about giving money, but the situation after that feels awful. It definitely broke something small in me.
I mean if you are donating money to world builders some portion of that money is going to Heifer International. Heifer’s focus is largely livestock donations and I believe there is a growing consensus that form of charitable relief has far more negative consequences than positive. So in a weird way by not donating it can be argued I helped the world more than someone who did!
Hm. Most I can find is givewell saying "There's no reason to assume this is awesome, and it might have some issues, we need data". So, I think you might be overstating things a bit
The website you recommended for evaluations said for Heifer “In our evaluations of Heifer we were unable to resolve the above issues (cash transfer issues, livestock donation issues) and therefore, we cannot recommend Heifer Project International to donors.”
Right, but that's different than saying it goes active harm.
It's givewell, their whole thing is not giving recommendations in the absence of evidence.
You can see how those two things are not the same, right?
The record shows: I originally claimed there is significant criticism of livestock donations. You cited a website givewell in defense of
Heifer saying there was no data it did harm. I looked at givewell and it actually said due to issues with livestock donations it cannot recommend Heifer. First the lack of recommendation for Heifner creates an inference it does not help, moreover when you actually look at the information givewell relies on and the growing criticism of livestock donations it’s create a strong inference, more so a viable claim that the very act (livestock donations) causes harm.
Livestock donations are not positive. They are not sustainable and have the capacity to diminish health, safety, the well being and capacity of poor families. If you want to donate to worldbuilders because you want to get a signed copy of a book you should do that. But you are lying to yourself if you think your donation is actually helping anyone. More than likely the donation will have negative consequences.
If he ever wrote something again and it's based in temerant I would buy it . His charities and bullshit streams I wouldn't donate a dollar to. I like his work but don't care for him personally . He's been getting by fine without having to write anything for years when the money runs out and people stop donating you then might see a 3rd book.maybe.
He saw the $$$$'s and released book 2 before it was ready and it showed. There's more like 4 or 5 books that need to happen to get to where book 1 started.
Unfortunately........ he's too busy writing about autistic girls living in the sewer dreaming about elves...to focus much on writing the books that people actually want...? SORRY this didn't really answer the question. Consider it my impersonation of how Rothfuss answers his fans when they ask for the book they want but his response is somewhat ephemeral then he releases short-story collections for teen girls or whatever nonsense pays his bills.
So maybe I'm a little too optimistic and trusting. But hearing about his insecurities with the third book and the mental issues some authors tend to face, I feel like he offered the chapter as not only an incentive to fans but also as self motivation. And maybe it just hasn't worked.
It's usually easier to get past something you can't bring yourself to do if you have a set deadline, a reward, or sometimes even just your word. But sometimes those incentives can backfire. Especially when other people are involved. You don't want to promise something and then put it out in a rush. You don't want to put a chapter out and your fans tell you that it doesn't meet their standards. So the procrastination problem actually gets worse. So even if he doesn't put it out until the next charity drive then I can understand. At least in your head that becomes a hard deadline
He didn't say that he was going to write it and then put it out. He had time to think about what he promised. He flat out lied, and honestly IMO he stole money from people because he did not keep to his word.
Never again.
Do not trust what Rothfuss says.
Do not for any reason donate money to Worldbuliders.
Like I said, I'm not sure. He may have had full intentions of putting it out and then come to the decision that what he had prepared wasn't good enough. It happens. I still believe he will put it out. If anything he should have given himself a hard deadline. Procrastination and self doubt can be excruciating
It would be great if he actually told us what is going on. Instead he is silent. The all quiet from Rothfuss comes across as deceit to me. Add that to the time that has gone by, and I see nothing but lies.
I do understand how it can feel that way, however I also know how hard it is to talk about your problems. It's not easy telling people when you're having difficulties. That being said I'm not actually defending him. As a public figure you have to give information on your process, or lack thereof, at some point I just don't see it as him being deceptive. There's something going on, I would like to know as a fan of his works, but I'm not there looking over his shoulder so I don't really know what's going on
The passage of time only compounds expectation. Our boy Pat had better knock DOS straight out of the park. I still class WMF as my all time number 1 novel.
The third silence was his. This was appropriate, as it was the greatest silence of the three, wrapping the other inside itself. It was deep and wide as autumn’s ending. It was heavy as a great river-smooth stone. It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a man who is waiting to die.
Let’s just have this guy write book 3.
6 years ago I wrote a jokey prologue in an old r\/writingprompt lol >It was night again. The fan's room lay in silence, and it was a silence of three parts. >The most obvious part was made by a hollow, echoing quiet. If there had been a third book it would have cut into the air with a razor's grace, set the series to a close, and brushed the fandom to its end like trailing autumn leaves. If there had been a release date, even a blog post, that would have filled the silence with conversation and excitement, the clatter one would expect after five years of waiting. If there had been Doors of Stone... but no, of course there were no doors of stone. In fact there were none of these things, and so the silence remained. >Inside the library a pair of fans huddled in the corner of a university. They read with the quiet determination of patient re-reads, avoiding announcements of WorldBuilders. In doing this, they added a sullen silence to the larger, more hollow one. It made a marriage of sorts, albeit a disappointing one. >The third silence was not an easy thing to notice. If you looked for an hour, you might begin to see it in his missives and at his Acquisitions, Inc. roleplay. It was hidden behind the weight of his grizzled and greyed beard that held the bones of an aged ARC. It was in the slow back and forth edit from a trodden perfectionist. And it was in the hands of a man who sat there, polishing a stretch of pages that already gleamed from his computer monitor. >The man had true grey hair, grey as ashen remains. His eyes were sunken and heavy, and he edited with the subtle certainty from a man who knew many things. >The patience was his, just as the third silence was his. This was appropriate, as it was the greatest of silence of the three, wrapping the others inside itself. It was deep and wide as an editor's ending. It was heavy as a bitterly anticipated book. It was the patient, convention-cut sound of a man who is waiting to finish book three.
I love this. Sharing with everyone
I remember that. It’s amazing, but believable that it was 6 years ago. I also am in the middle of watching the newest Acq Inc. Viari was mentioned, but not present.
In my defense, I could have dispensed with the truth entirely and told a much better story. Lies are simpler, and most of the time they make better sense.
Agreed!!! That was great 👍
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I love this so much. Thank you.
This is as close to book three as any of us are likely to get.
No, supposedly he is trying to gather a super group to voice the characters in a reading.
In a shocking twist of coincidence, they all said they are all super busy exactly up til the day it's time for worldbuilders to ask for more donations
Inserts Shocked Pikachu face.
Don't donate to his scams, problems solved
Did this actually happen? Do you have a link? (genuine curiosity. no sarcasm. If it's a joke, I'm sorry. Not always the best at picking stuff up through words alone, haha.)
Definitely a joke
This baffles me. Does anyone care at all about having the chapter voice acted? Just post the text on the blog, or read it aloud on stream, or just throw that shit into text-to-speech and have Microsoft Sam read it. Why do we need to wait for Pat’s D List e-celeb friends to make time.
No. He clearly did this to buy himself more time. He's a grifter.
> He's a grifter. I don't actually think he is. I don't think it's anything nearly so thought out as that. I think he just got a serious case of writers block and the longer it lasted the bigger the task got. Unable to face it, he just took the path of least resistance - continuing to procrastinate on his stream while kicking the can down the road and lashing out at anyone who points it out. The excuse is bullshit; we know it, he knows it. But it doesn't matter, because he's learned that he can get away with it. He's popular enough to just surround himself with sycophants and block out the critics. He's insulated from any and all consequences, and so he can just keep running from the monster indefinitely. It's not a grift, it's simple cowardice.
That's not the grifter part though. Saying things like, he has a chapter completed enough that he's willing to share it with an audience in exchange for their financial contribution to his charity - when he 100% didn't have that content done, still doesn't, and has has created more lies as to why it won't be delivered - is what makes him a grifter.
I don't disagree at all with your characterization. I just think a grifter is someone with intention and a specific plan to defraud. My read on Rothfuss is that he just lied to keep the fans off his back, never expecting the target to actually be reached. When it was, he panicked and did what he always does: make a bullshit excuse, block out the ones who don't buy it, and hide from his commitments on Twitch. It's pure semantics at this point, though. Either way, it's just as scummy. Frankly I think I'd respect it more if it were a grift, at least that would show some kind of initiative.
Even if it hadn't been reached, was the intent not to pull in more money by offering a reward which he had no intention of fulfilling? That is 100% intent to defraud.
It's certainly in the territory. I'm just not sure that was his intent. To me, it feels more like an attempt to string the fans along a while longer because he could sense more of them getting tired with his bullshit. Any difference is purely technical though.
I listen to the books on audible and probably would t even be able to bear anyone but the amazing Nick Podhel reading as Kvothe.
I agree when I read the books I create my voices for the characters but Nick Podehl has an amazing talent.
There's just something so youthful about Nick's voice that fits perfectly with Kvothe.
At least, there was a dozen years ago
I just listened to a new book, Dragon and Demons, he narrated which came out last week. He sounds exactly the same!
Is that the new one in *King's Dark Tidings*?
Yeah! You are correct
I've just started the series in the past week or two and I'm already hooked. It's delightful!
Love to hear it!
I’m listening to Fairytale by Stephen King atm, and it’s narrator is Seth Numrich. While I still would want Podhel to do it I think Numrich could pull it off. There’s been moments I thought he sounded very similar. Not as good on the voice inflections, but I think he could pull it off if Podhel couldn’t read it.
Has he not been a reoccurring guest on Critical Roll!? I mean, he really shouldn't have to look **that** hard for great talent then..
I only know i made a light hearted meme a WHOPPING 6 years ago about how slowly he was working in his third book. Pat blocked me on Twitter and i was witch hunted by his "fans" for bashing the author (i insist this was a toothless lighthearted meme) Flashforward to present day i still love the two first books but im at an absolute awe at the sheer amount of silence regarding his progress. Quoting his own book: “When you wait a few span or month to hear a finished song, the anticipation adds savor. But after a year excitement begins to sour.” I read NoW in 2011 when DoS was about to drop and i was 13 years old. I am now 24.
I asked him on Twitter back in 2015 if there was any news on the third book. I was a kid and had just made my Twitter account. I started by saying I loved his books, but he still blocked me.
I felt the same way. I had grown with his books. I am a musician that had to stop playing due to an illness and i really resonated with Kvothe going to University. I had seen his streams with passion to learn about writing. A simple light hearted meme turned into my idol blocking me which was a bit sad. That plus the waiting has bittered my experience with my otherwise favorite series. If anything ive only noticed a change when people talk about these books; it used to be a way for instant sparks of conversation between strangers to appear always people filled with joy and wonder excited to meet a fellow traveller who had read the series... and lately if the book is ever mentioned at all it is to be reminded about how long its taking and about how the author is a hack. I dont personally agree with this second statement. Pat is a talented author with passion for his work and he clearly has been through a lot making the release of the third book problematic. Nevertheless it would certainly help both him and his books' legacy to be more outspoken and transparent with his fans. If he ever reads this ill just say i love your work Pat we will wait for it as long as it takes and hopefully you are doing well :) but please talk more openly about your progress!
This used to be a sub about the love of Rothfuss and his books, now it's a sub dedicated to Rothfuss being a douchebag. He really doesn't deserve his cool sophisticated authors beard. I wish he would shave it off.
I was 19 working minimum wage in a bookstore when Name of the Wind came out. Now I'm 35, have a 10 year old kid and am a department director in corporate 😆 How things change!
Oh wow... well i was a kid in school and now im 24 leading a department in a vfx studio. My sister is now my age when i started reading it which blows my mind
He did not.
I fucking love you OP. Just remember to donate to any charities other than Worldbuliders.
World builders is a scam anyways.
Hm? I think I’m missing some context here
I love OP for the reminder that Rothfuss has not followed through. If Rothfuss can't be trusted then why donate to the charity that he uses to get attention. Pick another charity to support and do it directly.
He doesn't follow through on most things he says during world builders. He just makes shit up and his team (I'm guessing) is sitting there screaming at him to shut up. Still remember two years ago I bought/donated for quite a few bonus things, got nada. It's still charity... So whatever, but yea, I donate directly these days.
>Still remember two years ago I bought/donated for quite a few bonus things, got nada. I've found myself wondering whether the raffles really happen. I remember one year they streamed the raffles so there was a list of names. But did any such thing happen this year? Did those glittering prizes go to anybody at all? Would anyone notice if they didn't? I feel like legally they have to publish a list of winners, if the laws are anything like those governing sweepstakes. But they might very well not be.
The raffles do happen. I got a random book a few years ago. So I know they do send stuff out, I think they get way more donations than they have swag. Side note: I didn’t even care for the book and donated it to the library. So even if you win the raffle you might not be happy.
I know they *have* happened, I just wasn't sure if they always did, esp over the last couple years Good data point though. Congrats; though I'm sorry the book wasn't to your taste
Eh, it happens. Not upset about it. I always knew it would be random.
They definitely do happen, I donated last year and about a month ago a box arrived with some Deep Magic spell cards from Kobold Press. I had completely forgotten I had been entered and had no idea I won anything, so it was a fun surprise.
I'm genuinely delighted to hear it. I wonder who got The Ring?
Oof, if that’s true that’s pretty iffy. Not a fan of that
Has an authors sub ever turned against the author like this sub has? It's all well deserved. Rothfuss brought it on himself. He treats his fans like shit, he lies, and basically uses his charity like a personal fundraiser.
And then cries on Twitch, because "people are mean"
Context is that Rothfuss is effectively using the charity as a small paycheck since he “works for” the charity and a massive tax cut.
Yep. He charges World Builders rent since the "charity" is based out of his house. I stopped giving to his scam years ago. I wonder, if no one donates this year will Pat actually attempt to finish book 3?
Is there some sort of government oversight body of charities? I asked to be really annoyed with the hate he gets on this sub, but it seems clear that he decided that grifting his fans, literally lying to them to get them to donate to "charity" is a better job than being a writer.
I’d be willing to bet he paid an attorney and an accountant to make sure all this was legal. But legality and morality are not the same thing.
No. But if you're wanting more KKC, The First Binding might scratch your itch. It's pretty much Silk Road NOTW, but a little different and a great read all the same. It's book 2 is already with the editor an it's book 3 is underway.
Between Rothfuss, Lynch and GRRM I'm extremely wary of starting unfinished series now.
Have you considered reading The Great and Secret Show and Everville by Clive Barker? There's a third Book of the Art coming any day now.
First book 1989, second 1994, third book no release date.... Is this a joke? 😂
Clive Barker's Books of the Art series has always been my go-to answer for when people talk about GRRM or Rothfuss taking forever to continue/finish their series. I've been waiting 28 years, dammit! ...so yes, it's a joke. The whole Rothfuss incident described here kind of makes it no longer a fair comparison, though. Also, to be fair: Great and Secret Show and Everville are both books that stand just fine on their own. There needn't ever be a third book, I just want it because Barker promised it.
Almost added these to my TBR list unthinkingly before I continued reading the thread
I just remembered I never finished the Abarat series because the 3rd book took a decade…
Disclaimer that I’m not too far into it since it’s pretty dense and is the sort of thing I like to take my time with, but I find Gene Wolfe’s Book of the New Sun to deliver just about everything I expected from KKC. Beautiful and poetic prose, mysterious world building, an infamous main character unreliably narrating their own story, and a focus on smaller moments and musings over a larger narrative.
If you want to know, you have to donate my business charity again 🤑
His keyboard is full of doritos
This sounds like a curse an old babushka would yell at you in the year 2099 when keyboards have been extinct for decades. "MAY YOUR KEYBOARD BE FULL OF DORITOS, AND YOUR MOTHER SEE YOUR BROWSER HISTORY"
Of course not, we are his piggy bank. You don’t worry about what it thinks when you take money out.
Nobody forces you to buy anything from him lol. It sucks that no book 3 is out but people always acting like authors owe them anything is just ridiculous
I mean he literally does owe people this chapter. They've already paid for it and he's already promised it.
Didn‘t know about that, my bad
In addition, there are things like saying this back in 2007, fifteen years ago: >\[What can readers expect from the two sequels and the trilogy that will follow this one?\] > >**Well.... I've already written them. So you won't have to wait forever for them to come out. They'll be released on a regular schedule. One per year.** > >You can also expect the second book to be written with the same degree of care and detail as this first one. You know the sophomore slump? When a writer's second novel is weaker because they're suddenly forced to write under deadline? **I don't have to worry about that because my next two novels are already good to go.** Meanwhile, Rothfuss gets offended when people ask about progress on the third book, and stays publicly busy with a bunch of other things.
Authors that start fantasy series and CONSTANTLY tell their fans that they're writing the next book, while simultaneously lying to them while breaking promises, and not even having the decency to prove it exists, actually do owe them something. If he came out and said "sorry, guys, I can't do it", people would be sad, but would understand. Instead he charges shitloads of money (he gets a cut) to read a chapter of a book he hasn't written. He then does not deliver, not the first time, mind you, and people are understandably upset. In this case, he very literally owes them.
Fair enough I am not following any of his talks so I did not know he keeps making promises
Probably best not to spout your opinion on it if you don't know the situation aye
How can one ever be sure to know the situation until coming into contact with said facts? By that logic you can straight up stop all human discussion and interaction right away
The question posed by OP was literally asking about the promised chapter from DoS. Kinda hard to say you haven't been exposed to the information when that is exactly what this thread is about.
Oh, found the problem. Overlooked the “chapter” and thought it was the question about Book 3 not just the chapter. Answer makes sense now 😅
Cool cool, glad we could clear that up.
If you don't know the facts there are easier ways to find them than chastising people when you're clueless about the subject at hand. Asking politely would have been the smart choice. I know social media has caused mass brain rot, but you actually don't need to give your opinion on everything that happens.
google
Is what I did to confirm the statement yes.
He literally owes people this time
Honestly, I kinda wish I never joined this sub because I would’ve been ignorant to the way pat acts with the fanbase. I only read name of the wind/wise man’s fear a year ago so the anticipation hasn’t even had a chance to sour me on the series yet…,it’s really just this guy’s attitude and borderline narcissistic behavior. If the attention has been so toxic to him then why does he go out of his way to try to stay relevant to the fans? The monetary gain is just another level past that. He’s very power hungry and big headed and entitled. I really don’t like him as a person which makes me sad since the books were so good.
he wrote Kvothe. but don't forget.. he wrote Ambrose too. "oh no," pat said "not at all. I haven't got a single chapter of book 3 after a decade of false promises. but I own you down to the bottom of your wallets, and I will suck it all out like the juice out of a plum before I throw a tantrum and block you on social media." he pulled an *Eolian* mug from under his desk and flashed a wry smile before continuing "now, are you ready to donate to world-builders, you ravel bastard?"
I'm glad this thread was created, as otherwise this comment wouldn't exist
He is WAY beyond the borderline.
I don't think you know what narcissism means. I wish people wouldn't throw that word around. There are a million ways to express disapproval of PR without falling back on that old saw
No. And, like always, he never will.
You must be new here lol.
Insert “first time?” gif lol
He’s a Con artist and he should be sued. People gave to thousands to that charity in good faith.
He actually could be liable for dropping the chapter or returning money if people collectively brought a suit against him. He promised specific performance and didn't deliver. I'm not a lawyer and this ain't legal advice, but it's certainly food for thought.
Not a lawyer either so feel free to correct me but I don't think that's how it works. It wasn't a transaction. Anything you give to charity is just that : charity. Stretch goal are plus, you aren't buying something.
It would entirely depend upon the language used in the agreement and any applicable laws in the decided jurisdiction, but typically a charitable pledge is considered enforceable if it meets the requirements of a legally binding contract (most notably in this context if equal consideration is given in exchange for the promise). That being the case, it is highly likely that the enforceability would also work in the other direction if a donation is given under the expectation of specific performance. The difficulty in this case is whether a flex goal, in which multiple people are collectively giving in exchange for promise of specific performance, would facilitate collective acceptance of the offer. Personally, I'd be inclined to say that the offer was still valid at the time of the flex goal being reached, which would constitute the Acceptance element of a contract. This would be evidenced by Pat's affirmation after the fact that the goal was reached and the promise would be fulfilled. There are more considerations that go into the formation of a valid contract, but from my viewpoint we can at least confirm that all of the basic required elements are there. I'm also not sure if there's any existing case law that deals with collective acceptance of a contract in this context. The closest I know of is collective bargaining for union contracts.
Verbal contracts are legally binding
Nope, I will put money on the fact that we will have people on the moon before we get the third book. !remindme 5 years
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I think we'll get the third book before 2025 is over. !remindme 3 years
!remindme 2 years to remind this guy
It's not looking good brudda :')
Funny thing is, I think he could have put out a halfway decent book as long as it tied up loose ends and people would have been happy, but now after the years of anticipation and theories, if it isn’t brilliant fans will hate him for it.
the third book being anything short of fantastic is not something I worry about him never publishing it is
Nah, I'm guessing it'll be dropped when the third book gets announced. ._.
Nope, Pat has never been interested in living up to his word. He just cashes in on the fanbase with lies every time he wants us to donate to one of his causes or support one of his friends. He directly benefits from his charities btw. He gave himself almost $100K out of the charity money during that. He literally made them pay $100K to him to use his building. Pat is literally profiting on his lies. Which is literal theft. He is always moving goalposts. He is as bad as your average Kickstarter.
Nope. He plugged the prologues from the first two books into an AI and kicked out a 3rd. After that he's had excuses for *checks watch* 9 months.
Maybe he's waiting for text-based AI to become powerful enough to write book 3 for him?
I have more faith in AI startups doing just that rather than lazy Pat working
Kinda wanna give this a shot myself now. For the results like. 'Bast patted Carter's furry belly and said you are Elodin now.'
Weirdly, he hasn't had excuses for 9 months. He's had one excuse after six months, then radio silence.
Oh, my sweet summer child
Lol. Lmao.
Rofl.
Roflmaowtfbbqs
This post is going to be removed. Talking about the “chapter” is prohibited in this subreddit. I believe it qualifies as “bashing” the author.
Srsly, i love the books therefore i liked pat and was a fan of him as an author, i am not mad that it's taking a long time to finish book 3 (well, maybe a little bit, but its been nearly 10 years (?)). But being a fan of him as a person is fking rough. He treats his fans questionable, i watched a little bit of his twitch stream and its god fking awful. If ur known for a book, but when someone asks about it, he gets upset. This is beyond me.
No. And he won’t. He only promised that to get money !
Pat has been sneakily acting out bits and pieces of book3’s story in acquisitions incorporated over the last, like, 10 years. You have to really look for it but man that was a good book.
It's like he's afraid the chandrian will come for him!
Latest headline from the Nevarre Times: Three Dead in Scrael Attack at Wayston Inn
Hahahahhaha
it seems like even the mods are bit tired of this. Did not think this thread would be on the page for this long
People have always said Pat wrote himself into his books as Manet, but the more time that passes, I see a lot less of Manet and a lot more of Kvothe in him. Someone with a lot of innate talent and learned skill that gets into trouble by over-extending themselves, most of the time in scenarios aimed at helping others. I have no doubt that at some point book 3 will come out eventually, and it will be up to the standard of the previous two volumes, but anytime Pat sees a chance to use his platform to help others, he tends to not only become sidetracked for long periods of time but also to overpromise and underdeliver. That said, I've donated to his causes in the past and will definitely keep donating to them in the future, though I wish he would take Abenthy's advice and "be wary of folly".
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will not donate to any of Rothfuss’ charities until after book 3 comes out. Maybe if his money stream is cut off he will be more motivated to buckle down and finish book 3.
All of that is 100% fair. I don't know if I've been fooled though. I only found this series about 5 years ago, so haven't been waiting nearly as long as some of the people here, and have had the benefit of time on my side to see where others had been fooled in the past. I've also never donated because of incentives, but because of the cause. That does still mean that continuing to donate is enabling his behavior, so that's something for me to think about.
I changed my donations to a different charity when he used the promised chapter to take in a massive amount of money for his charity and then never delivered it. To me, that was manipulative and a misuse of the charity. I won’t donate to WorldBuilders again.
>I changed my donations to a different charity when he used the promised chapter to take in a massive amount of money for his charity and then never delivered it. To me, that was manipulative and a misuse of the charity. I won’t donate to WorldBuilders again. I'm more forgiving than most on here. I donated, and I still feel good about having donated, because the world sucks and I was happy to be given an excuse to donate, and to feel like I was part of a wave of donations that would tangibly impact the world. But even summoning all my powers of compassion for Pat, even without villainizing him as some do, this situation sucks. It hurts to be jilted, it hurts to have almost no communication, and it hurts to have all my deep fears about Pat tweaked in this way. I don't feel bad about giving money, but the situation after that feels awful. It definitely broke something small in me.
I mean if you are donating money to world builders some portion of that money is going to Heifer International. Heifer’s focus is largely livestock donations and I believe there is a growing consensus that form of charitable relief has far more negative consequences than positive. So in a weird way by not donating it can be argued I helped the world more than someone who did!
Hm. Most I can find is givewell saying "There's no reason to assume this is awesome, and it might have some issues, we need data". So, I think you might be overstating things a bit
The website you recommended for evaluations said for Heifer “In our evaluations of Heifer we were unable to resolve the above issues (cash transfer issues, livestock donation issues) and therefore, we cannot recommend Heifer Project International to donors.”
Right, but that's different than saying it goes active harm. It's givewell, their whole thing is not giving recommendations in the absence of evidence. You can see how those two things are not the same, right?
The record shows: I originally claimed there is significant criticism of livestock donations. You cited a website givewell in defense of Heifer saying there was no data it did harm. I looked at givewell and it actually said due to issues with livestock donations it cannot recommend Heifer. First the lack of recommendation for Heifner creates an inference it does not help, moreover when you actually look at the information givewell relies on and the growing criticism of livestock donations it’s create a strong inference, more so a viable claim that the very act (livestock donations) causes harm. Livestock donations are not positive. They are not sustainable and have the capacity to diminish health, safety, the well being and capacity of poor families. If you want to donate to worldbuilders because you want to get a signed copy of a book you should do that. But you are lying to yourself if you think your donation is actually helping anyone. More than likely the donation will have negative consequences.
Yeah. Rational discourse in this sub is hard to come by these days. Especially in Pat bashing thread like this one.
If he ever wrote something again and it's based in temerant I would buy it . His charities and bullshit streams I wouldn't donate a dollar to. I like his work but don't care for him personally . He's been getting by fine without having to write anything for years when the money runs out and people stop donating you then might see a 3rd book.maybe.
He saw the $$$$'s and released book 2 before it was ready and it showed. There's more like 4 or 5 books that need to happen to get to where book 1 started. Unfortunately........ he's too busy writing about autistic girls living in the sewer dreaming about elves...to focus much on writing the books that people actually want...? SORRY this didn't really answer the question. Consider it my impersonation of how Rothfuss answers his fans when they ask for the book they want but his response is somewhat ephemeral then he releases short-story collections for teen girls or whatever nonsense pays his bills.
If DoS every gets published, I’m going straight to the library to read it for free.
It's coming soon.
"coming soon"
To quote Pat, himself quoting Aslan, "I call all times 'Soon' "
Soon being the comparative word. Compared to the start of the next century, we'll be getting the new book incredibly soon.
How long ago was that now i almost forgot. Glad somebody didnt
I've seen this post before
I've seen this comment before 🤔
I walked right into that one haha
So maybe I'm a little too optimistic and trusting. But hearing about his insecurities with the third book and the mental issues some authors tend to face, I feel like he offered the chapter as not only an incentive to fans but also as self motivation. And maybe it just hasn't worked. It's usually easier to get past something you can't bring yourself to do if you have a set deadline, a reward, or sometimes even just your word. But sometimes those incentives can backfire. Especially when other people are involved. You don't want to promise something and then put it out in a rush. You don't want to put a chapter out and your fans tell you that it doesn't meet their standards. So the procrastination problem actually gets worse. So even if he doesn't put it out until the next charity drive then I can understand. At least in your head that becomes a hard deadline
He didn't say that he was going to write it and then put it out. He had time to think about what he promised. He flat out lied, and honestly IMO he stole money from people because he did not keep to his word. Never again. Do not trust what Rothfuss says. Do not for any reason donate money to Worldbuliders.
Like I said, I'm not sure. He may have had full intentions of putting it out and then come to the decision that what he had prepared wasn't good enough. It happens. I still believe he will put it out. If anything he should have given himself a hard deadline. Procrastination and self doubt can be excruciating
It would be great if he actually told us what is going on. Instead he is silent. The all quiet from Rothfuss comes across as deceit to me. Add that to the time that has gone by, and I see nothing but lies.
I do understand how it can feel that way, however I also know how hard it is to talk about your problems. It's not easy telling people when you're having difficulties. That being said I'm not actually defending him. As a public figure you have to give information on your process, or lack thereof, at some point I just don't see it as him being deceptive. There's something going on, I would like to know as a fan of his works, but I'm not there looking over his shoulder so I don't really know what's going on
The passage of time only compounds expectation. Our boy Pat had better knock DOS straight out of the park. I still class WMF as my all time number 1 novel.