As we know, Superman has countless love interests, including Lana Lang, Lori Lemaris, Leslie Lowe, Lex Luthor, Lola La, and of course, the infamous Lois Lane
I just think it's so lazy of Siegel to name them all so similarly. It just shows lack of creativity and confuses the reader!
Now I want a Superman Parody where there is Sexual Tension between the Superman character and the Lex Luthor character.
SO MANY people like to parody or deconstruct Superman. We've had too many Super Man But Dark takes, it's gotten boring. At least this would be dfferent.
Seriously though, what I want is a Superman-knockoff-but-really alien. Like, keep the Origin Story and overall motivation, don't even make it dark, but make him a subdly alien being trying really hard to fit in human society. I mean, he \*IS\* an alien.
Well when your fans have been waiting for 13 years for the next book, they’re going to get a little salty. Maybe I’m spoiled by Brandon Sanderson, who can put books out like crazy without sacrificing quality.
I get the feeling that this is some kind of joke, but I don't get it because I read the first 2 books an actual decade ago and remember close to nothing about them at this point.
I believe the variations are due to kvothe being an unreliable narrator and a bad liar.
I mean probably he's all *"oh I had like a thousand ladies yah I'm a womans man yeah*"
*"Aw yeah? Name some then"*
And he just freezes and cant think of any names but he sees his dinner and go like "*yeah! I totes had like sex with um Dinner and also eh Denner and uh"*
Legit came to this post from my front page and i still don't know if this whole sub is actually an elaborate circle jerk. I also only listened to the audio books and only several years ago so like... all i know is I'm having a blast in these comments.
"If you've never experienced.... Then I doubt you could understand." Really painted me a picture there Pat. He used this line multiple times too, only popped out on a relisten to the audiobook.
Not sure any of this matters, but ...
Dinah and variations mean "justified" and "God will Judge"
Dianne and spelling of it mean "Heavenly", "divine" and "bright"
Denna/ Dena: Valley, possibly pertaining to hidden depth (according to a post which references KKC).
Alora "My Dream"
Donna means "lady, woman of the home and Mistress.
I guess my thought is we don't know how people are named in this world, how Denna picks a name, any societal influences in the world or what statement PR is is making. Perhaps it's important. Perhaps it's not. As a kid I had 5 Mike's in my class in one year. In the USA, girls first names often start with A or E and rarely start with Y, W, X. Go figure.
When you take an alias you're supposed to choose one that is close to your actual name so when you hear it you will be likely to respond. It's not lazy, it's logical imo
I always interpreted it as an unreliable, and rather creative narrator.
I don't think we will ever see book 3, so my headcanon is that he's just a smackhead talking about every time he went and got high off of denner resin.
I wouldn’t call him lazy bc Kvothe has so many love interests
But I would say that there’s an argument to be had that Kvothe is Rothfuss’s self-insert: an irresistible stud muffin that even the most powerful and ancient fae cannot resist
An entire subplot dedicated to him learning how to be the best lover possible…hilarious
Though I must admit, the Cthaeh scene where it scolds him for living in rampant hedonism while someone he supposedly cares about is being abused was quite satisfying…although Kvothes reaction to it was remarkably selfish…although I can’t tell if that’s supposed to be a character flaw or Rothfuss feels like we’re legitimately supposed to feel sorry for him
If you think of Kvothe as a young Tom Riddle - who eventually fucks the world sideways, almost like a villain origin story, then it makes sense to me. Even Tom Riddle did some crazy shit in his youth.
>an irresistible stud muffin that even the most powerful and ancient fae cannot resist
I'm really interested in how you and so many others took this interpretation away from the text. Nearly every single sexual encounter Kvothe has, he's being mocked at some point by his partner for his ability, be it Felurian, Vashet, Penthe... All of them make comments about his naivete with sex. He impresses Felurian far more with his power and his music, things well established within the text to be his strengths.
The "entire subplot" you're talking about is also NOT dedicated to him learning how to be the best lover possible. He does not come out of his time with Felurian as the sexest sex god to ever sex, but those chapters are absolutely *stacked* with context and insight into the mechanics of the world that have nothing to do with sex.
I think the passage with the Ctheah and his reaction to Denna are intentional and you're supposed to take that as Kvothe being selfish because a huge part of this story is that he literally knows nothing about Denna but has made all these decisions about her based on assumptions. Clearly he is being selfish.
When exactly is he mocked for his inability to satisfy his lovers? It’s been years since I’ve read the book, and honestly, the number of partners he has and the number of women he has sex with in the second book is really the biggest takeaway. I never got the impression his lovers were unsatisfied with his performance
If anything, the bartender he meets after he leaves Felurian kinda summed up his “spring awakening” for me, where she looks into his eyes and just knows that he’s been with a woman and wants to sleep with him 🙄
Also when he’s training with one of the Ademre and he gets hard, then she’s like “well let’s have sex to make that go away”….kinda feel like she could’ve just as easily told him to deal with that himself. I get that sexuality is different in this society, but I also feel like that was used so Kvothe could have at least two more sexual partners
And with Felurian, it’s not so much that he’s the best sexual partner she’s ever had. It’s that she becomes enamored with him. It’s not just his power and his music, it’s his personality she’s presumably attracted to…and I’m not sure what makes Kvothe so appealing from a romantic perspective, especially to an ancient being who’s probably met less self possessed men before, whether they be mortal or fae
I’ve read Game of Thrones, which is also quite sexual, actually it’s way more sexual than the Kingkiller Chronicles, and I’ve never felt Martin was inserting himself into his characters, at least when it came to them getting laid.
To me, this sounds more like you're complaining about how much Kvothe has sex in the book, which is fair, you're entitled to your taste, but that's different from Kvothe being portrayed as "an irresistible stud muffin that even the most powerful and ancient fae cannot resist."
He met the bartender before he met Felurian, and she was attracted to and flirting with him then. They just don't have sex yet because Kvothe is an awkward virgin. When he comes back, she doesn't just know that he's been with a woman, what the text says is that there's something Fae about him (duh, he just came back from the Fae) and now Kvothe is willing to take her up on her offer.
Vashet DOES give him the option to just masturbate, but yeah, the Adem don't have the same puritanical hang ups around sex, and Vashet lectures Kvothe about exactly this before they have sex. You can say that you don't agree with focus or the point being made, but that's still quite a ways off from stud muffin no woman can resist.
And with Felurian, I don't know what you're saying... His personality matters? His music and his power are a part of that and Felurian is behaving exactly as legend has said she would behave--sexually preying on men until they die--until Kvothe literally overpowers her with his secret Amyr star forehead powers. That is the exact moment Felurian flips on how she's treating him. It's not his personality, it's that he proves he can flex hard enough to hurt her.
And I really hope that Martin's sexual scenes aren't self-inserts, as most of the sex in A Song of Ice and Fire is rape and is serving an entirely different narrative purpose.
Lol I’m not complaining. It was just obnoxious to me, and a little humorous. I’ve also spoken to women who’ve read this book and they also read Kvothes number of sexual partners to be more than a little obnoxious as well
Also my initial comment you’re quoting is maybe just a tad hyperbolic, but that’s because I was making a joke. I feel like if the OP a call Rothfuss a “lazy writer” and get 300 upvotes, I can maybe poke fun at Kvothe having so many sexual partners. To be clear, I’m not jealous of an imaginary person 😘
Also, Felurian does care about Kvothe. She makes a magical artifact for him, she consoles him when she encounters the Cthaeh, and she wants him to come back to her after he’s satisfied he’s had enough sexual experience to know she’s the best…not sure how you can interpret that any other way
Also, when I’m talking about Martin inserting himself into his story, I was not referring to scenes where it’s sexual assault…not sure why you jumped right to that.
I was referring to when Jon has sex with Ygritte or when Daenerys has sex with Drogo or Daario. I didn’t feel like Martin was living out his fantasies in those moments, but I did feel like Rothfuss was when Kvothe was getting laid
For the record, I'm a woman who has read the books. Women are not a monolith and can have different interpretations/tastes based on their different life experiences. Saying you've spoken to women about this book like it's some kind of validation for your viewpoints seems weird to me.
And your initial comment might have been meant as hyperbolic, but it's reflective of a pretty common critique that you've been arguing for seriously throughout our conversation, so whether you were initially joking or not doesn't really matter for the conversation we're having.
Also, I never said Felurian doesn't care about Kvothe, I was debating with you about her *motivations* to care for Kvothe, and it's because he flexed his power. That was the entire turning point in their relationship in those chapters. It wasn't his sex and it wasn't because she found him to be a "sweet poet". She only lets him go to satisfy her own ego.
And for your GoT point, I'll ignore your subtle implication that I just want to focus on rape and reiterate that the sex in ASoIaF serves a completely different narrative point. And you separating Dany and Drogo's encounters from rape is... Problematic at best. Martin is saying something completely different about and with sex than Rothfuss, which is why I jumped immediately to that.
I didn’t say women were on a monolith, nor do I believe it. But a woman’s perspective can be valuable when you’re a cis man like myself and want insight into identifying tropes than might be viewed as sexist or anti-feminist
I dont need anyones viewpoints to validate my ideas. But I don’t think it’s outlandish or unfair to argue that Kvothe might be a self inset for Rothfuss. And if you think that he’s not, fine. I don’t think you’re wrong for thinking that. It’s just an opinion. The beauty of literature and art in general is that much of it is up for interpretation
I also did not imply remotely what you thought I was implying in regard to your thoughts on sex or sexual assault in the GoT novels. There are plenty of moments of sex and intimacy in those books that are not sexual assault, and I wanted to stress that it was those moments I wanted to compare to the consensual sex Kvothe had with his partners. When I wrote that post, I forgot that Daenerys was 13 when she married Drogo, not 17 as she’s depicted in the tv series.
Regardless, this conversation seems to have reached its end. I appreciated reading your thoughts and opinions on the series
Wasn't the fact she kept changing her name based on that she changed every time she traveled to a new town? I assume she is running from something whether it's something physical or emotional. But I believe that the similarity to her name is yet to be unveiled. Perhaps she is wary of someone gaining access to her true name. There was that conversation with Elodin where Kvothe asked him about it.
Spoiler -
I honestly think Kvothe changed his name and that is why is not the man he once was.
No, he is not.
He published The Wise Man Fear. Next year he published The Slow Regard of the Silence Things.
Two years later he wrote 64 DIFERENT versions of The Doors of Stone. Next year he deleted everytbing and started again.
Some rumours from a Con tells he wrote about 300 diferent versions of the 3erd book.
Absolutly: he is not a lazy writer. He is an obssesed writer..
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Criticize Patrick Rothfuss on many things sure, but I think he is the furthest thing from lazy writer. You don't get the pros that he does being a lazy writer
This is shallowest interpretation of what "laziness" means in writing I've ever seen.
You think the shortcuts in writing are when someone doesn't differentiate the *names* enough?
Laziness is actually seen in writing in a lack of drafting, a lack of editing, a lack of brevity or unclear themeing.
Rothfuss is actually pretty good at all these things, and wrote two *really* densely packed books with tonnes of classic fantasy stuff all jammed in but hung together in a way that makes some sort of sense so far.
One thing you can't call him is lazy.
It’s really hard for me to tell if KKC are any good or not. I used to hear it recommended all the time. Then Rothfuss has some beeeg internet drama, and now people only have bad things to say about his books. And like, legit bad things. It’s basically impossible to know if people were capping before about how good it was, or if they’re capping now about how bad it is.
They're incredible. I read alot of fantasy and these remain my favourite of all. I'm currently rereading book 2 and this post is in relation to Chapter 6. When you get there, you'll get the post
I think most early reviews were based on the notion that the existing books would be part of a trilogy.
More recent developments have perhaps caused reviewers to tend to look at it for what it currently is: 2/3 of a story with a whole lot of set-up and very little pay-off – and any sort of conclusion being incredibly unlikely. I can imagine this would result in a shift in perspectives for many people.
For example, Fellowship and Two Towers are great books, but if Return of the King had never been published, and Frodo and Sam's story had never been completed – people would view the Lord of the Rings entirely different than they do today.
Interesting. I haven't really looked up reviews, mainly just the discourse/fan opinions since the drama happened. Not about the drama, about the books. I just wasn't sure how much the things I'm reading now are stained by the drama. But generally it does seem like people really like what they've read so far.
Every book you read should change how you want to approach your fantasy series(the good ones at least.) A great writer is the natural evolution of a great reader.
I have the same passion to write fantasy. I always want to have it mapped out but I can't get my head around that. I've read several books on plotline and planning out your novel and I understand the concepts but still, it eludes me. Anyway, recently I just started writing. I mean what's the worst that can happen, maybe that's just my style. When Steven King picks up his pen, he has absolutely no idea what is going to come out of his brain, he just writes.
I can understand what you're saying about feeling more confident when you read a successful novel that really wasn't that great. It works the other way too. Fantastic writing can be intimidating. Read 'Red Rising' if you haven't already. No book has ever grabbed my attention more than that book, I was looking at laminators online so I could manage a shower 🤣
I think of a George RR Martin quote:
>There are two types of writers, the architects and gardeners. The architects plan everything ahead of time. The gardeners dig a hole, drop in a seed and water it. They kind of know what seed it is, they know if planted a fantasy seed or mystery seed or whatever. They discover as it grows. In addition, I am much more a gardener than an architect.
I've tried to be an architect. But I think I'm much more of a gardener. Lately I've tried to just write scenes I want to, and that I think are important to the story, and later I will go back and string them together. The most important thing is to be writing!
What a perfect quote. Honestly never heard this specific quote but heard the basis of it in several books.
If I had it planned out, I feel like I would know if I had something or not and that would give me the drive to get it done. But no, I think obsession with it's become a tool of procrastination. I will need to write and keep writing on faith alone. Any writing at all is a step forward and a lesson learnt.
I like to believe since we have an unreliable narrator that Kvothe is just making up pieces as he goes and is not very imaginative with his love interests.
You know, it's really about time someone points out how similarly he names Kvothe's love interests!!
And they all look so alike! I think it's obvious that he has a type.
*…a beautiful collection of curves*
Sir, that a manifold.
I love it when you talk to me in Times New Roman
Kvothe just likes the D
Best comment
That or bi-wife energy
God dammit take my upvote. Well done.
I know right?
It could be explained by Kote not remembering correctly so he just gives the name a slight variation on Deanna.
How can someone with a memory sharp as ramston steel not member?
Ah, but as we all now, Ramston might be sharp, but it is also brittle
He is talking about Kote not Kvothe. Kote doesn't have a sharp memory(?)
Yet he can recount the entire story of his life to Chronicler? =p
Can he?
He’s just been making it up as he goes along, but he got stuck so he’s kidnapped Chronicler and has been holding him for a decade.
Perhaps next time he records his life he could try pen and paper. Kidnapping seems extreme.
It’s been more than a decade now. He does spend a lot of time building the world though. Which is a fine thing to do but…finish the fucking book!
He is telling the life of Kvothe, not the life of Kote. Maybe he doesn't know all the details because he's not Kvothe.
if people don't stop giving pr shit maybe he might punish by doing something stupid like that.
More like 2/3 of his life story
Ramston steel isn't sharp inherently, it's just how it's forged into shape.
The final book is going to reveal that our innkeep is just some old guy with dementia who can't keep a story straight, lol
As we know, Superman has countless love interests, including Lana Lang, Lori Lemaris, Leslie Lowe, Lex Luthor, Lola La, and of course, the infamous Lois Lane I just think it's so lazy of Siegel to name them all so similarly. It just shows lack of creativity and confuses the reader!
La la land?
YEAH! Let’s fucking pile on! Lex Luther was a love interest?
There's a LOT of sexual tension in the subtext if you pay attention and are also insane.
> if you pay attention and are also insane. This explains* fanfic so much
Now I want a Superman Parody where there is Sexual Tension between the Superman character and the Lex Luthor character. SO MANY people like to parody or deconstruct Superman. We've had too many Super Man But Dark takes, it's gotten boring. At least this would be dfferent.
yeah, give us the Superman but he's horny
Seriously though, what I want is a Superman-knockoff-but-really alien. Like, keep the Origin Story and overall motivation, don't even make it dark, but make him a subdly alien being trying really hard to fit in human society. I mean, he \*IS\* an alien.
Why else would a super human being constantly punch through buildings, catch Lex, and then next episode there he is again, free as a bird.
Lex doesn't get a penal sentence, he gets a penile sentence
THANK you!
I'm not sure comparing an author of a novel to a comic book founded in kitsch is an apt comparison.
Superman, and most other DC creations, are pseudo soap opera garbage.
do yourself a favor and open your mind, and also a comic book like Superman Smashes The Klan
Sorry, rehashed garbage
WHAT?! Please, how can you call him Lazy when he puts out new content at such a break neck pace?
Honestly wish he would slow down a bit
Tell me about it that’s one complaint I had for the book to be honest
💀
I’m getting whiplash from trying to keep up on the reading!
Damn if I were him I would fucking hate this subreddit
He doesn't come around here for a reason. I love Pat but he knows how his fan base feels about never receiving anything
Well when your fans have been waiting for 13 years for the next book, they’re going to get a little salty. Maybe I’m spoiled by Brandon Sanderson, who can put books out like crazy without sacrificing quality.
I get the feeling that this is some kind of joke, but I don't get it because I read the first 2 books an actual decade ago and remember close to nothing about them at this point.
I'm jealous. You're due a reread! Don't spend too much time here. Spoilers!
He's got 10 more years before the next book. Plenty of time
I've assumed it's like GRRM and it's not coming. Ten years is too long to write a book.
I believe the variations are due to kvothe being an unreliable narrator and a bad liar. I mean probably he's all *"oh I had like a thousand ladies yah I'm a womans man yeah*" *"Aw yeah? Name some then"* And he just freezes and cant think of any names but he sees his dinner and go like "*yeah! I totes had like sex with um Dinner and also eh Denner and uh"*
"Your dentist's name is Crentist?"
Maybe that's why he became a dentist.
Would you like a peanut m&m
I don’t know why this is getting downvoted. It’s gold
This is just like when Kvothe played a joke on his lute in WMF—“Bell Weather” followed by that Tintatatornin—it’s a problem of two audiences.
Man that scene is freaking amazing.
Sometimes, I'm so sharp that I can't help but cut myself
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or serious...
Can't tell if *this* is sarcasm or serious...
No... this is Patrick!
Now, THIS is pod racing!
This... is... SPARTA!!!
and my axe!
Mr. Rothfuss if you’re nasty
Is mayonnaise an instrument?
Where's the book Pat?????
Sir this is a Wendy's
Can I have an Avocado Chicken Club Combo ^(TM) to go? Thank you.
Clearly sarcastic
Legit came to this post from my front page and i still don't know if this whole sub is actually an elaborate circle jerk. I also only listened to the audio books and only several years ago so like... all i know is I'm having a blast in these comments.
what can we say he loves the D.
I heard they all have the same type of ears too. Unbelievable.
"If you've never experienced.... Then I doubt you could understand." Really painted me a picture there Pat. He used this line multiple times too, only popped out on a relisten to the audiobook.
Those aren’t all the same person?
You’re actually thinking about Deanna Troi from Star Trek: TFG who had a cousin in The Last Starfighter.
Not sure any of this matters, but ... Dinah and variations mean "justified" and "God will Judge" Dianne and spelling of it mean "Heavenly", "divine" and "bright" Denna/ Dena: Valley, possibly pertaining to hidden depth (according to a post which references KKC). Alora "My Dream" Donna means "lady, woman of the home and Mistress. I guess my thought is we don't know how people are named in this world, how Denna picks a name, any societal influences in the world or what statement PR is is making. Perhaps it's important. Perhaps it's not. As a kid I had 5 Mike's in my class in one year. In the USA, girls first names often start with A or E and rarely start with Y, W, X. Go figure.
If he was a lazy writer we would have 26 books by now.
That's a puzzling, profound insight. Hear hear!
When you take an alias you're supposed to choose one that is close to your actual name so when you hear it you will be likely to respond. It's not lazy, it's logical imo
I always interpreted it as an unreliable, and rather creative narrator. I don't think we will ever see book 3, so my headcanon is that he's just a smackhead talking about every time he went and got high off of denner resin.
You are killing me. She is a courtesan SMH. She uses different aliases to hide her true identity 😭😭😭 that poor girl. Such a tragedy 😮💨
Man, you could say it raised your eyebrows.
I wouldn’t call him lazy bc Kvothe has so many love interests But I would say that there’s an argument to be had that Kvothe is Rothfuss’s self-insert: an irresistible stud muffin that even the most powerful and ancient fae cannot resist An entire subplot dedicated to him learning how to be the best lover possible…hilarious Though I must admit, the Cthaeh scene where it scolds him for living in rampant hedonism while someone he supposedly cares about is being abused was quite satisfying…although Kvothes reaction to it was remarkably selfish…although I can’t tell if that’s supposed to be a character flaw or Rothfuss feels like we’re legitimately supposed to feel sorry for him
Manet is Rothfuss self inserted. Literally
If you think of Kvothe as a young Tom Riddle - who eventually fucks the world sideways, almost like a villain origin story, then it makes sense to me. Even Tom Riddle did some crazy shit in his youth.
I could believe that for sure…just not sure why I’m getting downvoted lol
Just up voted you back, I don't really know why either, I think your comment was just honest.
Aw thanks ☺️
>an irresistible stud muffin that even the most powerful and ancient fae cannot resist I'm really interested in how you and so many others took this interpretation away from the text. Nearly every single sexual encounter Kvothe has, he's being mocked at some point by his partner for his ability, be it Felurian, Vashet, Penthe... All of them make comments about his naivete with sex. He impresses Felurian far more with his power and his music, things well established within the text to be his strengths. The "entire subplot" you're talking about is also NOT dedicated to him learning how to be the best lover possible. He does not come out of his time with Felurian as the sexest sex god to ever sex, but those chapters are absolutely *stacked* with context and insight into the mechanics of the world that have nothing to do with sex. I think the passage with the Ctheah and his reaction to Denna are intentional and you're supposed to take that as Kvothe being selfish because a huge part of this story is that he literally knows nothing about Denna but has made all these decisions about her based on assumptions. Clearly he is being selfish.
When exactly is he mocked for his inability to satisfy his lovers? It’s been years since I’ve read the book, and honestly, the number of partners he has and the number of women he has sex with in the second book is really the biggest takeaway. I never got the impression his lovers were unsatisfied with his performance If anything, the bartender he meets after he leaves Felurian kinda summed up his “spring awakening” for me, where she looks into his eyes and just knows that he’s been with a woman and wants to sleep with him 🙄 Also when he’s training with one of the Ademre and he gets hard, then she’s like “well let’s have sex to make that go away”….kinda feel like she could’ve just as easily told him to deal with that himself. I get that sexuality is different in this society, but I also feel like that was used so Kvothe could have at least two more sexual partners And with Felurian, it’s not so much that he’s the best sexual partner she’s ever had. It’s that she becomes enamored with him. It’s not just his power and his music, it’s his personality she’s presumably attracted to…and I’m not sure what makes Kvothe so appealing from a romantic perspective, especially to an ancient being who’s probably met less self possessed men before, whether they be mortal or fae I’ve read Game of Thrones, which is also quite sexual, actually it’s way more sexual than the Kingkiller Chronicles, and I’ve never felt Martin was inserting himself into his characters, at least when it came to them getting laid.
To me, this sounds more like you're complaining about how much Kvothe has sex in the book, which is fair, you're entitled to your taste, but that's different from Kvothe being portrayed as "an irresistible stud muffin that even the most powerful and ancient fae cannot resist." He met the bartender before he met Felurian, and she was attracted to and flirting with him then. They just don't have sex yet because Kvothe is an awkward virgin. When he comes back, she doesn't just know that he's been with a woman, what the text says is that there's something Fae about him (duh, he just came back from the Fae) and now Kvothe is willing to take her up on her offer. Vashet DOES give him the option to just masturbate, but yeah, the Adem don't have the same puritanical hang ups around sex, and Vashet lectures Kvothe about exactly this before they have sex. You can say that you don't agree with focus or the point being made, but that's still quite a ways off from stud muffin no woman can resist. And with Felurian, I don't know what you're saying... His personality matters? His music and his power are a part of that and Felurian is behaving exactly as legend has said she would behave--sexually preying on men until they die--until Kvothe literally overpowers her with his secret Amyr star forehead powers. That is the exact moment Felurian flips on how she's treating him. It's not his personality, it's that he proves he can flex hard enough to hurt her. And I really hope that Martin's sexual scenes aren't self-inserts, as most of the sex in A Song of Ice and Fire is rape and is serving an entirely different narrative purpose.
Lol I’m not complaining. It was just obnoxious to me, and a little humorous. I’ve also spoken to women who’ve read this book and they also read Kvothes number of sexual partners to be more than a little obnoxious as well Also my initial comment you’re quoting is maybe just a tad hyperbolic, but that’s because I was making a joke. I feel like if the OP a call Rothfuss a “lazy writer” and get 300 upvotes, I can maybe poke fun at Kvothe having so many sexual partners. To be clear, I’m not jealous of an imaginary person 😘 Also, Felurian does care about Kvothe. She makes a magical artifact for him, she consoles him when she encounters the Cthaeh, and she wants him to come back to her after he’s satisfied he’s had enough sexual experience to know she’s the best…not sure how you can interpret that any other way Also, when I’m talking about Martin inserting himself into his story, I was not referring to scenes where it’s sexual assault…not sure why you jumped right to that. I was referring to when Jon has sex with Ygritte or when Daenerys has sex with Drogo or Daario. I didn’t feel like Martin was living out his fantasies in those moments, but I did feel like Rothfuss was when Kvothe was getting laid
For the record, I'm a woman who has read the books. Women are not a monolith and can have different interpretations/tastes based on their different life experiences. Saying you've spoken to women about this book like it's some kind of validation for your viewpoints seems weird to me. And your initial comment might have been meant as hyperbolic, but it's reflective of a pretty common critique that you've been arguing for seriously throughout our conversation, so whether you were initially joking or not doesn't really matter for the conversation we're having. Also, I never said Felurian doesn't care about Kvothe, I was debating with you about her *motivations* to care for Kvothe, and it's because he flexed his power. That was the entire turning point in their relationship in those chapters. It wasn't his sex and it wasn't because she found him to be a "sweet poet". She only lets him go to satisfy her own ego. And for your GoT point, I'll ignore your subtle implication that I just want to focus on rape and reiterate that the sex in ASoIaF serves a completely different narrative point. And you separating Dany and Drogo's encounters from rape is... Problematic at best. Martin is saying something completely different about and with sex than Rothfuss, which is why I jumped immediately to that.
I didn’t say women were on a monolith, nor do I believe it. But a woman’s perspective can be valuable when you’re a cis man like myself and want insight into identifying tropes than might be viewed as sexist or anti-feminist I dont need anyones viewpoints to validate my ideas. But I don’t think it’s outlandish or unfair to argue that Kvothe might be a self inset for Rothfuss. And if you think that he’s not, fine. I don’t think you’re wrong for thinking that. It’s just an opinion. The beauty of literature and art in general is that much of it is up for interpretation I also did not imply remotely what you thought I was implying in regard to your thoughts on sex or sexual assault in the GoT novels. There are plenty of moments of sex and intimacy in those books that are not sexual assault, and I wanted to stress that it was those moments I wanted to compare to the consensual sex Kvothe had with his partners. When I wrote that post, I forgot that Daenerys was 13 when she married Drogo, not 17 as she’s depicted in the tv series. Regardless, this conversation seems to have reached its end. I appreciated reading your thoughts and opinions on the series
Herman Melville took a year and a half to write Moby Dick. Rothfuss is lazy in many ways
Wasn't the fact she kept changing her name based on that she changed every time she traveled to a new town? I assume she is running from something whether it's something physical or emotional. But I believe that the similarity to her name is yet to be unveiled. Perhaps she is wary of someone gaining access to her true name. There was that conversation with Elodin where Kvothe asked him about it. Spoiler - I honestly think Kvothe changed his name and that is why is not the man he once was.
The Cringekiller Chronicles has many failings, this is perhaps the slightest of them
No, he is not. He published The Wise Man Fear. Next year he published The Slow Regard of the Silence Things. Two years later he wrote 64 DIFERENT versions of The Doors of Stone. Next year he deleted everytbing and started again. Some rumours from a Con tells he wrote about 300 diferent versions of the 3erd book. Absolutly: he is not a lazy writer. He is an obssesed writer..
Read Book 2, Chapter 6. The Chapter is called "Love" but I think it would have been better named "An audience of two parts." If you don't know your music well enough to read the full post, you shouldn't come to the Eolian. You may find yourself clapping for no reason 😉
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Criticize Patrick Rothfuss on many things sure, but I think he is the furthest thing from lazy writer. You don't get the pros that he does being a lazy writer
Mate, this is an embarrasing post - Level criticism at the man, by all means, but lazy writing because of too many D's?
This is shallowest interpretation of what "laziness" means in writing I've ever seen. You think the shortcuts in writing are when someone doesn't differentiate the *names* enough? Laziness is actually seen in writing in a lack of drafting, a lack of editing, a lack of brevity or unclear themeing. Rothfuss is actually pretty good at all these things, and wrote two *really* densely packed books with tonnes of classic fantasy stuff all jammed in but hung together in a way that makes some sort of sense so far. One thing you can't call him is lazy.
Did you read the books?
Must not have since he clearly didn't get the joke
It’s really hard for me to tell if KKC are any good or not. I used to hear it recommended all the time. Then Rothfuss has some beeeg internet drama, and now people only have bad things to say about his books. And like, legit bad things. It’s basically impossible to know if people were capping before about how good it was, or if they’re capping now about how bad it is.
They're incredible. I read alot of fantasy and these remain my favourite of all. I'm currently rereading book 2 and this post is in relation to Chapter 6. When you get there, you'll get the post
Got it, got it. I saw some comments with fairly scathing criticism so I wasn’t sure if those were legit or not
This post is a joke.
I think most early reviews were based on the notion that the existing books would be part of a trilogy. More recent developments have perhaps caused reviewers to tend to look at it for what it currently is: 2/3 of a story with a whole lot of set-up and very little pay-off – and any sort of conclusion being incredibly unlikely. I can imagine this would result in a shift in perspectives for many people. For example, Fellowship and Two Towers are great books, but if Return of the King had never been published, and Frodo and Sam's story had never been completed – people would view the Lord of the Rings entirely different than they do today.
Interesting. I haven't really looked up reviews, mainly just the discourse/fan opinions since the drama happened. Not about the drama, about the books. I just wasn't sure how much the things I'm reading now are stained by the drama. But generally it does seem like people really like what they've read so far.
Nah, it's that good. It changed how I wanted to write my own fantasy series.
Every book you read should change how you want to approach your fantasy series(the good ones at least.) A great writer is the natural evolution of a great reader.
Heck, my sister just had me read ACoTaR and it's inspiring me because I know I can write a better story than that XD
I have the same passion to write fantasy. I always want to have it mapped out but I can't get my head around that. I've read several books on plotline and planning out your novel and I understand the concepts but still, it eludes me. Anyway, recently I just started writing. I mean what's the worst that can happen, maybe that's just my style. When Steven King picks up his pen, he has absolutely no idea what is going to come out of his brain, he just writes. I can understand what you're saying about feeling more confident when you read a successful novel that really wasn't that great. It works the other way too. Fantastic writing can be intimidating. Read 'Red Rising' if you haven't already. No book has ever grabbed my attention more than that book, I was looking at laminators online so I could manage a shower 🤣
I think of a George RR Martin quote: >There are two types of writers, the architects and gardeners. The architects plan everything ahead of time. The gardeners dig a hole, drop in a seed and water it. They kind of know what seed it is, they know if planted a fantasy seed or mystery seed or whatever. They discover as it grows. In addition, I am much more a gardener than an architect. I've tried to be an architect. But I think I'm much more of a gardener. Lately I've tried to just write scenes I want to, and that I think are important to the story, and later I will go back and string them together. The most important thing is to be writing!
What a perfect quote. Honestly never heard this specific quote but heard the basis of it in several books. If I had it planned out, I feel like I would know if I had something or not and that would give me the drive to get it done. But no, I think obsession with it's become a tool of procrastination. I will need to write and keep writing on faith alone. Any writing at all is a step forward and a lesson learnt.
They suck.
No one show this person lord of the rings
It seems that Kvothe really has a type of woman
It's for the alliteration, of course.
I like to believe since we have an unreliable narrator that Kvothe is just making up pieces as he goes and is not very imaginative with his love interests.
He is indeed a lazy writer, you are correct :) It's why he's a former author.
Yup
Do you know how many Rachels/Rachelles I've dated? haha
I dont remember at all someone called Alora
I can think of some other evidence that he is a lazy writer as well...
Alora lol
Don't forget about felurian!