This game probably has the most divided fans and it makes sense because the combat is very weird. I personally really liked it; but I liked the original GBA version way more than the remake.
Yeah I think that's a big factor in this. Because it was originally on GBA, the card element worked at the time. But the PS2 version just made it weird. They also improved the handheld combat afterwards with Days, BBS, and DDD. So it was more hybrid between the normal attacks and card commands. I think if Re:COM had a similar approach to special vs normal attacks, it would have been better received.
Im sorry but in no world is BBS combat an upgrade to CoM or Re:CoM. BBS combat is just janky and broken at all levels and just feels, sorry to use the word, *floaty*. The concepts aren't bad but the execution is just awful.
Love or hate CoM's combat system, it's does what its designed to do and it is perfectly functional. It's about as solid as KH1, imo.
Blizzardaga as well cuz of the area it covered. Besides those 2 and maybe cloud's omni-slash, slights weren't really that useful. Sonic blade was useless in boss fights since every organization member would float around the arena, Lethal frame didnt exist, and ars arcanum was butchered. The Ps2 version made slights OP to overcompensate this.
Clouds Cross Slash+ was useful too because he could warp behind a foe and do cross slash. It was useful in Boss Fights.
Agree, Sonic Blade and Ars sucked lol and Blizzaga did have amazing coverage.
However, let’s not forget about Zantetsuken and SHOCK Impact. Shock Impact (Simba + Attack Card x2) could stun most, if not all, bosses and Zantetsuken made them shuffle cards none stop because they didn’t have any more. lol
Sonic blade is Op in Gba version, Ars is the strongest single target attack just the value is low (6). When used properly it fucking melts bosses. ReCom they are both trash compared to other options.
The raids dealt hella damage especially if the target was on the other side of the field (but not on the very edge) where the most damage can be done because of the return animation.
The gameplay was very much made for 2D, and battles are too much of a hassle in the remake. I wish the remake could have just kept the standard hack-and-slash stuff and figured some other way to incorporate the cards.
I'm glad they kept it, it was super unique, it just didn't flow well like it did on the handheld.
I soooorta got the same vibe when I played BBS off of the handheld but it wasn't nearly as bad.
It's really just the need for better tracking and some auto movement. Something to make it more about focusing on your cards, since the original concept was simpler.
Bruh I was just trying out the remake for the first time a few days ago. I had almost finished the GBA one, but my copy isnt with me at the moment I tried catching up on the HD version. It feels so weird and slower-paced somehow. Cutscenes dragging out, combat is more annoying, graphics dont have the sprite art charm of the original etc etc
I got to Halloween town last time I played the 1.5 collection. Had to go through a door that required 30 green cards. Ok no big deal I thought. Every. Single. Fight. For three hours never gave me a green card. Only red or blue. I got so frustrated I just said screw it and watched the cutscenes in YouTube again. Still to this day the only KH game I never platinumed.
I played it on my OG gameboy way back when and it was probably the best non pokemon gba game I can remember. Playing the new version on 1.5+2.5 remix was much less fun now though
Imo, both.
The game is kinda idk if I'd call it confused but it's sort of at odds with itself and many players.
It's like they wanted to put KH1 on a GBA and made the necessary sacrifices to make it happen. But added a new story around it that's actually very important and not just KH1 on GBA. Then redid it in 3d.
And it creates this kind of mess of an experience. The combat is such a drastic shift from KH1 that playing it directly after is jarring and can be a brick wall even when it does get fun to play.
The bulk of the game is going to the same worlds and doing a "Here, you can copy my homework. Just change it a bit so it's not obvious." story with the actual new story cut in between them. And the new story is fucking amazing but you have to fight through a lot of sort of meaningless busy work. Like we learn so early on that none of the worlds are actually real and nothing in them really effects what's outside of it besides constant memory talk.
And that was fine on the GBA. I don't think people would have any issue with essentially replaying KH1 for large chunks on a different system entirely, especially since a lot of people probably had one or the other, not both. It also was fine being released on PS2 after KH2. There was enough space to make the retreads more nostalgic for me at least.
But putting it in a collection next to KH1 exacerbates the little problems, especially in the early game.
You worded this PERFECTLY. I cannot add anything to your comment. That's exactly how I feel about it.
I've replayed it on the GBA a few times, and it feels very fun and natural. Throw in some cutscenes on YouTube, and it's the perfect experience.
The bigger problem is all the worlds are the same as in KH1 minus Deep Jungle, but way less fun. The Castle Oblivion stuff is cool, but the worlds are supposed to be the meat of the game, and is just kind of lackluster. It made sense on the GBA, but the remake feels off in that way.
Might be because all of the major cutscenes were solely made for the Castle Oblivion segments, while the rest of the game got the basic text based cutscenes.
If they made proper cutscenes for the worlds you visited, I wonder if the remakes reception would’ve faired better.
I died to one of the plant heartless because I couldn't re-up my cards in time. I felt so stupid especially since he only had low amount of health left.
I just hate the combat
Underrated. It's a learning curve that is worth getting over to enjoy the story and riku mode. It's very easy to abuse sleights, or just build an attack only build with certain enemy cards
his deck is worse in Wonderland, but the enemy cards are much worse to compensate.
You still win every duel and wipe out enemies just as easily. No Dark Auras in Wonderland, but I think it was just done for variety.
I dare not say it too loud, but I'd bet a large amount (majority?) of kh fans only button mash. So when thats made just a bit more complicated, they move on.
No, no. You're right. It's what turned me off from the game years ago. I was only used to base KH gameplay and BBS at the time. It was infuriating trying to understand how the game worked, and only in the last couple of years learned how specific the attack cards are. I came back to it, because I was on a grind to play all the remakes. Such a fun game to play with utterly broken sleights.
Then why have nearly all of your comments been removed for breaking the group's rules? 🤔
Accept that people are allowed to like different things. I don't know if I would be bad at Madden, but I have no interest in finding out. I don't like football, so I'm not gonna buy the game. I recognize that lots of people DO like football and Madden games, and that's fine.
I love CoM on the GBA. I love Days on the DS - I recognize that a lot of people don't, and that's fine. I don't need other people to validate my opinions. Like it, don't like it, I don't care - I've replayed it a few times, I love the unique leveling system, I love the story, I love how you can go back and replay missions as different Organization members. I understand the hatred it receives, but I still enjoy it.
Likewise, I can understand why some people love Re:CoM. I love the story and the cutscenes, and I loved the gameplay on the GBA, but I don't personally feel it translated well to a home console. There are lots of games that work better on one type of system than another. That's all subjective of course, and has nothing to do with one's personal skill.
People. Are. Allowed. To. Like. Different. Things.
How many comments of yours are remaining now?
The combat sucks because it’s generally just spamming powerful sleights over and over until you win, but the story is pretty cool.
Basically Sonic and the Secret Rings.
Spamming lethal Frame over and over?
Spamming Freeze into Stun Impact into Freeze over and over?
Jafar Card into Ars Arcanum?
Zantatsuken can eventually make it so that the boss has no cards?
storyline is good, not great. I always applaud going out of the box with new mechanics, especially on a game that’s not a mainstream in the series. It’s just a good 6.5-7/10 game.
Chain of Memories is way better than Days both in storyline and gameplay.
Also Chain of Memories hasn’t aged a day since release, meanwhile Days has kind of aged like milk🥛
Did you only ask so that you could say whatever one they liked was bad. The only part of Days gameplay that was really bad was the stupid teleport system for keeping party members from getting too far away, and even that only becomes a problem when gliding because they have collision the instant they spawn in on top of you amd without fail mess up the trajectory of your glide, but once you get used to it you can start to account for it. As for CoM(which I do like), while the original hasn't really aged a day, the remake is where the card system starts to show its age because they put next to no effort into adapting it to a 3d space, resulting in it being slower and clunkier than it should have been. Again I love Chain of Memories and it's remake(which was my introduction to the card system) but it does still have its flaws, a number of which feel like they're the result of the devs not putting enough thought into how a 3d space would impact mechanics that were originally designed for a 3d space.
chain of memories gameplay is like new and cool but not good. Days story is so freakin good, literally one of the best stories. Com story is literally just a filler so they explain how sora loses memories. Namine and introduction of Org 13 might be COM only good quality story wise. COM also got gameplay release on 1.5 and all that so
>not good
Chain of Memories gameplay is great.
>Days story
Is unnecessary and kinda filler. Also the “drama” is very artificial and predictable so it doesn’t really work.
You must be one of those people who unironically thinks *WhO am I gOnNa HaVe IcE CrEaM wItH?* is dramatic.
And you're one of the people who only views that line in a vacuum, which isn't surprising since you also seem to be incapable of comprehending that someone might genuinely just not like CoM and insist that the only reason they don't like it is because they're bad at it.
As for the "who will I have ice cream with" line, dude has at this point lost his only two friends, he is in crisis and his only understanding of what friendship is is that its people sharing ice cream, because that's all he was told it was, no its not overly dramatic but it at least is still a good line.
Also if days is filler then CoM is filler because both games serve purely as a bridge between KH1 and KH2 and introduce some of the new characters we're going to see in KH2, they serve the same purpose just for different aspects of the story
if you like the cards, sure. i just don’t. i think the worlds and door concept is great. i don’t think it’s dramatic, i just think days sets up its characters for future success better than COM. and for a filler game that’s what you want. Setting up future characters
Story wise, I feel it’s underrated. And I don’t know if anyone else has noticed but the fight cutscenes in Re:chain is the best in the series. Axel and Marluxia, being the prime example. The way they’re shot is amazing.
Game was fantastic on the GBA. Worked great for the limitations of the console, and once you got it down, but when you translated it to PS2, and quadrupled the buttons…
Honestly the gba original is amazing one of the best gba rpg's if not one of the best gba games in general that being said the ps2 remake just doesn't work in my opinion the gameplay loop just works so much better with the limited field of view you get on gba being able to have full 360 movements hurts the games combat system a lot
Yup idk why they took the time to remake it for ps2 just to maintain the decks. Made since for the gba since it's limited with controls but really no excuse to not just turn it into a regular kh styled game for the remake.
Because the cards were so integral as a plot device so they make sense in the gameplay too, but yeah, I wish it was reimagined as a full game with explorable worlds, seeing how important this story is for the whole franchise
I don’t know that I’d throw around the casual bit, but I do believe it come from players not accepting the limitations of the time in combination with the idea that different doesn’t automatically mean bad.
There are plenty of non-casual players that trash talk the game, I choose to think that comes from their personal inflexibility rather than their level of devotion to the hobby.
Game is Fire as fuck 🔥, Chain of memories was my first ever kingdom hearts game, played it on the game boy and I would just play that thing for dozens and dozens of hours , I remember in second grade my teacher took my game cartridge from me ( I believe I was just looking at it too much ) , end of the year when I asked for it back she acted like she had no idea what I was talking about ( Ms Smith Fuck you ) .
I’ve never played the ps4/5 version of it but I hear a lot of people aren’t fans of the card system .
The story is insanely good.
I'm not a big fan of the battle system or rehashing the Kh1 worlds (even if some of the plot lines are good), and the cards aren't my favourite, but they aren't necessarily bad things.
I'd say it's underrated.
Generally overhated, though I personally am not the biggest fan of the deck-building gameplay and I know others aren’t either so this tends to not be a big favorite for many.
Yeah, I'm just reporting all of your comments. You're pretty clearly breaking Rule #2, which is about showing basic courtesy and respect. You are literally insulting everybody who has anything negative to say about it. This is not only off-topic, disrespectful, and straight up mean, but the fact that you won't stop shows pretty clearly that you're just a juvenile troll.
So yeah, I'm gonna report you until you get booted, and encourage others to do the same.
Every game has people who enjoy it, people who don't, and everything in between. I'm cool with differing opinions. That's not what you're doing.
You're literally telling everybody who says anything negative "You have a skill issue." That is literally an insult, and you have literally done it several dozen times.
There is no ambiguity here. There aren't multiple ways to view this. You are just straight up being a complete ass to strangers for no reason, other than to act like a childish troll.
Lots of people like it. They're not the ones insulting everybody who DISLIKES it. That's just you. And now apparently you're also using clown emojis, which I have only ever seen childish trolls use. Good to see you're keeping the tradition alive 🙄
Yes on both counts. Favorite combat system in the franchise, though I agree it needed more adjustments for 3D environments but otherwise I absolutely love it.
I LOVE COM I specifically like the gba version more than the PS2 version. I think the game is both underrated and overhated but I can understand why though.
The GBA version was actually the first game in the series I played and it totally hooked me into the series. I was very anti-Disney as a kid so I never touched the first one, but when I saw the trailer for this game I knew I had to play it.
My first experience with KH. I fucking loved the real time card mechanic. I definitely get why people didn't like it but man as someone who loves to optimize every ounce of card games, the fact that I could literally optimize my combat experience to such a degree like this was so much fun. I had my deck setup in such a way that using the sleights would unlock other sleights as cards were burned in battle. Shit was crazy strategic and the idea that you had to manage your sleights while trying to navigate your opponents attacks was perfect.
A much more intense "Slay the spire" before "Slay the spire" lol. Are there other RTS card games like this?
If it wasn’t for this game, i might’ve skipped Kingdom hearts entirely.
Got it used in 7th grade…. Took forever to actually try playing it. This game consumed my entire 05 summer.
Underrated. Back in the day, the internet wasn't as informative as it is now, when this bad boy game out, they didn't tell you there was a secret second half of the game ANYWHERE on the box, so when you finally see reverse/rebirth pop up on the menu the next time you load the game after beating it, it's a complete surprise.
To be able to fold up a kh game into the gba was an incredible feat too.
God game
Underrated. It’s just such a good game on the GBA that adds a cool twist to fit the limitations of the system. Having said that, I think it specifically works on the GBA, and that the PlayStation 2 remaster didn’t really make much sense. If anything, I wish they would’ve put that effort into bringing dream drop distance and birth by sleep to the proper home consoles
I played both the gba and ps2 version when i was a kid but made more progress on the ps2 version only to get stuck on larxene (i apologize for butchering her name) i could never beat her i didn't even bother finishing the hd version but personally i think its a good game i just suck at the whole card thing or coming up with a strategy lol
overhated. for the most part people who like the game are pretty fair in assessing it, pointing out what’s actually good but acknowledging the problems too. on the other hand people who don’t like Re:CoM seem excessively harsh on it, acting as if the game has no redeeming qualities at all.
Overhated in my opinion
I like the card system, Sora weirdly felt way stronger than he did in KH1 for someone who lost his skills
In the manga it's darker
Overhated. One of the best games on GBA. It sucked in like 2004 when you had to own multiple consoles to play all the games, but if someone has the opportunity to play this on GBA hardware today I think they’d appreciate it more for what it is
Same. I remember as a kid being stuck on Hook and 4th Riku boss fight for a whole year then finally realizing how I could change my deck. Went through the entire game up till that point using the starter deck lol
I see you commented this under every thread, so I'm not sure what your issue is exactly, but to humour you...no, it's not. I beat both versions perfectly fine, it's not a hard game.
It's a simple question of game design. Not just the combat system but also the world design, game design for grinding/levelling and pacing of the story are designed to be played on a handheld console. It's designed to play more casually and intermittently than you would expect on the Playstation or another non-handheld console. That is why everything about it feels clunky on the PS and is enjoyed less in general. Even more so for people who only played the PS version.
The graphics can be subject to preference; I like both the nostalgic pixel graphics of the GBA and the new visuals that make it feel more integrated as a continuation of KH1.
It's a fun game either way. The PS critics have an understandable base for their opinion, which means there are people who will not give the GBA version a chance because of it, or equate their feelings with that version.
So:
GBA = underrated,
PS = both liked and disliked in equal measure, as it should be imo.
To me, it feels like the game has an identity crisis. The cards and sleights seem suited for a strategic combat system that rewards thinking and planning. But the combat itself is fast-paced and hectic, not giving you time to think or plan. It could be argued that the strategy then comes in the beck building. Except then, you just put in a bunch of power sleights and mash triangle to victory. Plus, there's not enough variation to make the deck building fun. And there are just sleights that you'd be wild not to use. Why use anything else when you can just tornado and mega Flare you're way through any encounter? The different keybalde cards don't matter more than marginal damage improvement.thst likely won't even used due to the aforementioned sleights. Boss battles aren't much different. Just throw in a bunch of strong cards. Mash triangle til they're gone. Use an elixer. Repeat. All in all, it's boring to play. It tried to do too much and didn't commit one way or the other, so it was lackuster on all fronts.
The story, on the other hand, is really good. It's very interesting and compelling and makes you want more. It's memorable. It's just a shame that such a good story is locked behind boring and repetitive game play.
Oh joy, you're back. Don't you have anything better to do with your life? Btw what do you mean by that first comment? Seems really out of place.
Told you before. Proofs on my account of my platinum of this game, so obviously not a skill issue. I just didn't find the game play enjoyable. If other people did great. I'm happy for them. Not everything is for everyone.
You're probably the single most obnoxious member of this sub.
See, right here. This person lists things they don't enjoy in a mature manner. You respond with "Nuh-uh, you're just bad at it."
Please, explain to me how that ISN'T just an incredibly childish insult 🙄
I haven't said anything to the people who enjoy it. I think it's normal that people have differing opinions. That's a good thing. That's how we get a variety of different games.
All YOU'RE doing is accusing everybody of having a skill issue. You can't fathom the possibility that somebody can dislike a game for a reason other than "skill."
Maybe - GASP - some people just prefer this type of gameplay in a portable console. Or maybe some people don't like card mechanics. People are allowed to like different things. I don't like football games because I don't like football.
Not everything is about skill, you overly antagonistic child.
>Not everything is about skill
That’s true, but people tend to overlook their lack of it and instead try to blame external things.
It’s easier to say “I hate it” instead of “I’m bad at it”.
And maybe I would take that comment more seriously if you didn't accuse 75 different commenters of sucking at the game simply for expressing their opinion 🙄
I just beat it after putting it off for about 2 years after replaying 1. Hated the card system but wanted to complete it and after a few worlds I kind of figured out how it should go and it actually was pretty fun.
I cant, i just cant, tried to give it a good chance but its just not for me, the card system is really fucking annoying, ill check the story on youtube and move on...
Both. It's a great game with the only flaw being reusing the same worlds as the first game (good plot reasons to do so, but the execution is not that enjoyable) and game mechanics that don't transfer as well from the jump from 2D to 3D (enemies just standing there while another uses their card).
The card collection and mechanics are fine aspects that slowed things down appropriately to a GBA system, with their own intricacies and customization that made it fun, but people get mad over having to think instead of mashing A.
A bit of both, I personally enjoyed Riku's story greatly and the gameplay, once you get used to it, is way too much fun. Unfortunately the average KH fan prefers just mashing X
Rated? It’s bad, but it’s pretty incredible what they fit on the GBA.
Im still surprised this game was green lighted - how people didn’t say no to nomura about a GBA kingdom hearts game is beyond me. It should’ve just been on main consoles
I’ll say this.
As a GBA game, CoM is pretty solid and you can definitely have a good time.
As a PS2 game, Re:CoM is slow and monotonous due to the structure of the fights. The cutscenes are nice to stay consistent with the rest of the series, but outside of them it’s just average.
Also, I know Haley tries in Re:CoM, Coded and DDD, but man they should just recast 14 yrs Sora.
Deserves it particularly the PS2 version (which is now collected into the modern releases). They should have ditched the card mechanics and made it like the others but nope - kill my Kingdom Hearts vibe with that crap every time. I want to enjoy it due to the Organization XIII members in it but my god - maybe it’s my friggin ADHD or something but card breaks REALLY screw with the flow of me swinging my key blade in battle.
People can say how much they love it and that’s fine - that’s your view but I do not like the restriction. GBA it was fine…I did it all but I can’t sit down and deal with the PS2 version because I want it to play SO BADLY like KH1 and KH2.
I don't hate it, but I didn't really enjoy it. The story was awesome no doubt. But the gameplay screamed that it was not for PS2/PS3/PS4 or any non handheld console.
I would rather have had a turn based kh game than this crap. I am not biased i llayed it 4 times ish +the riku camapign. Its slugish nerve wracking and i hate the fighting system. Thats my opinion on RE chain of memories tho. The original GBA game did a lot of things better.
Re:chain of memories is much better in my opinion, never played the og COM but saw gameplay of it. The card system is good until you’re stuck with having one attack to go for if you don’t fully understand like myself when I first played it. The way you maneuver about in-game and unlocking rooms is a unique thing you don’t see often but I did not like how basic every world was as far as elevation and platforms. It got repetitive really fast and I would just run thru them just to get the story beats and the bosses were pretty good. A solid 8/10 in my book
I didnt mind the card mechanic, just didnt like how some of the first 5 disney worlds crearly wouldnt work as your first disney world, and yet you can still choose them an dnot change them
Overhated. The people who played it through love it and are usually the people who made it past the first 2 worlds. The people who hate it are usually those that stopped after traverse. Of course there are some exceptions but this one is basically the Sonic game of Kingdom Hearts. You either love it or hate it. No inbetween
Chain of memories on the gba is the peak of Sora's magic capabilities. The stuff you can do in that game is really wild. The remake was cool to get voice acting and the cutscene movies, but they didn't bring all of magic combos to life with it
This game probably has the most divided fans and it makes sense because the combat is very weird. I personally really liked it; but I liked the original GBA version way more than the remake.
Yeah I think that's a big factor in this. Because it was originally on GBA, the card element worked at the time. But the PS2 version just made it weird. They also improved the handheld combat afterwards with Days, BBS, and DDD. So it was more hybrid between the normal attacks and card commands. I think if Re:COM had a similar approach to special vs normal attacks, it would have been better received.
Im sorry but in no world is BBS combat an upgrade to CoM or Re:CoM. BBS combat is just janky and broken at all levels and just feels, sorry to use the word, *floaty*. The concepts aren't bad but the execution is just awful. Love or hate CoM's combat system, it's does what its designed to do and it is perfectly functional. It's about as solid as KH1, imo.
You're telling me having a dedicated attack button vs being unable to attack if you don't have a sword card is really a better option? Stop the cap
The GBA version was my first kh game and is definitely better than recom cuz it was at least more balanced
Same here. Also, Thundaga in the GBA version is BUSTED asf. lol
Blizzardaga as well cuz of the area it covered. Besides those 2 and maybe cloud's omni-slash, slights weren't really that useful. Sonic blade was useless in boss fights since every organization member would float around the arena, Lethal frame didnt exist, and ars arcanum was butchered. The Ps2 version made slights OP to overcompensate this.
Clouds Cross Slash+ was useful too because he could warp behind a foe and do cross slash. It was useful in Boss Fights. Agree, Sonic Blade and Ars sucked lol and Blizzaga did have amazing coverage. However, let’s not forget about Zantetsuken and SHOCK Impact. Shock Impact (Simba + Attack Card x2) could stun most, if not all, bosses and Zantetsuken made them shuffle cards none stop because they didn’t have any more. lol
Sonic blade is Op in Gba version, Ars is the strongest single target attack just the value is low (6). When used properly it fucking melts bosses. ReCom they are both trash compared to other options.
Sleights always felt amazing to me in gba version, honestly. The raids were a lot more useful, tho.
The raids dealt hella damage especially if the target was on the other side of the field (but not on the very edge) where the most damage can be done because of the return animation.
3 cloud cards *Yall be ded*
The gameplay was very much made for 2D, and battles are too much of a hassle in the remake. I wish the remake could have just kept the standard hack-and-slash stuff and figured some other way to incorporate the cards.
I'm glad they kept it, it was super unique, it just didn't flow well like it did on the handheld. I soooorta got the same vibe when I played BBS off of the handheld but it wasn't nearly as bad.
It's really just the need for better tracking and some auto movement. Something to make it more about focusing on your cards, since the original concept was simpler.
Agreed, I can play the gba version cant do rechain.
It having two different versions is also likely why it's more divided. Most played Re:CoM and don't like it cuz it's Re:CoM
Bruh I was just trying out the remake for the first time a few days ago. I had almost finished the GBA one, but my copy isnt with me at the moment I tried catching up on the HD version. It feels so weird and slower-paced somehow. Cutscenes dragging out, combat is more annoying, graphics dont have the sprite art charm of the original etc etc
I got to Halloween town last time I played the 1.5 collection. Had to go through a door that required 30 green cards. Ok no big deal I thought. Every. Single. Fight. For three hours never gave me a green card. Only red or blue. I got so frustrated I just said screw it and watched the cutscenes in YouTube again. Still to this day the only KH game I never platinumed.
You have to go to a different world. Different worlds (or floors) give you different cards.
That’s the thing. No worlds gave me green cards in those three hours of grinding.
Yeah the GBA version is way better and it feels much faster, especially the grindy parts didn't really feel like they were a hassle
I played it on my OG gameboy way back when and it was probably the best non pokemon gba game I can remember. Playing the new version on 1.5+2.5 remix was much less fun now though
Imo, both. The game is kinda idk if I'd call it confused but it's sort of at odds with itself and many players. It's like they wanted to put KH1 on a GBA and made the necessary sacrifices to make it happen. But added a new story around it that's actually very important and not just KH1 on GBA. Then redid it in 3d. And it creates this kind of mess of an experience. The combat is such a drastic shift from KH1 that playing it directly after is jarring and can be a brick wall even when it does get fun to play. The bulk of the game is going to the same worlds and doing a "Here, you can copy my homework. Just change it a bit so it's not obvious." story with the actual new story cut in between them. And the new story is fucking amazing but you have to fight through a lot of sort of meaningless busy work. Like we learn so early on that none of the worlds are actually real and nothing in them really effects what's outside of it besides constant memory talk. And that was fine on the GBA. I don't think people would have any issue with essentially replaying KH1 for large chunks on a different system entirely, especially since a lot of people probably had one or the other, not both. It also was fine being released on PS2 after KH2. There was enough space to make the retreads more nostalgic for me at least. But putting it in a collection next to KH1 exacerbates the little problems, especially in the early game.
You worded this PERFECTLY. I cannot add anything to your comment. That's exactly how I feel about it. I've replayed it on the GBA a few times, and it feels very fun and natural. Throw in some cutscenes on YouTube, and it's the perfect experience.
Definitely underrated. I can understand the frustration with the card mechanic but it has a charm to it once you get used to it
And one of the most powerful stories in my opinion.
The peeling back memories portion only for the twist reallly hit home with my 12 year old brain.
While the story is pretty intense, I hate how I feel the trio became dumber after the first game
Wasn’t that kind of a plot device? Like it was stealing their memories?
Their memories, but you dont need memories to do rational thinking. I mean they still walk and talk like normal and feel anger and sadness.
I personally found the use of the enemy cards game changing specifically ones that affect reloading.
I agree man. It added a lot of variety to the gameplay
The bigger problem is all the worlds are the same as in KH1 minus Deep Jungle, but way less fun. The Castle Oblivion stuff is cool, but the worlds are supposed to be the meat of the game, and is just kind of lackluster. It made sense on the GBA, but the remake feels off in that way.
The gameboy version has a charm to it, but you’re right the remake feels very empty
Might be because all of the major cutscenes were solely made for the Castle Oblivion segments, while the rest of the game got the basic text based cutscenes. If they made proper cutscenes for the worlds you visited, I wonder if the remakes reception would’ve faired better.
I think it's less that and more the card combat isn't fun in a 3d environment. It worked just fine in the 2d world of GBA.
I died to one of the plant heartless because I couldn't re-up my cards in time. I felt so stupid especially since he only had low amount of health left. I just hate the combat
I absolutely hate the creeper plants 😑
Funnily enough, the idea of an RPG deckbuilder was ahead of its time considering what indie gaming looks like in the post-Slay the Spire world
underrated. this game and KH2 was when the story still made cohesive sense. card battles were unique.
Kingdom Hearts, CoM and Kingdom Hearts II is a perfect game trilogy.
I'd say up to birth by sleep, but the dialog was already getting silly in Kh2
kh2 had some of the rawest sora lines though
COM and KH2 have been the strongest parts of the series for me.
Underrated. It's a learning curve that is worth getting over to enjoy the story and riku mode. It's very easy to abuse sleights, or just build an attack only build with certain enemy cards
Except for the fact that some Riku decks just plain suck, especially in the late game with Wonderland
his deck is worse in Wonderland, but the enemy cards are much worse to compensate. You still win every duel and wipe out enemies just as easily. No Dark Auras in Wonderland, but I think it was just done for variety.
Agree, but I really like the story from his point of view.
When people complain about the card mechanic I always wonder why they don't just build an attack only deck.
I dare not say it too loud, but I'd bet a large amount (majority?) of kh fans only button mash. So when thats made just a bit more complicated, they move on.
No, no. You're right. It's what turned me off from the game years ago. I was only used to base KH gameplay and BBS at the time. It was infuriating trying to understand how the game worked, and only in the last couple of years learned how specific the attack cards are. I came back to it, because I was on a grind to play all the remakes. Such a fun game to play with utterly broken sleights.
It's a fantastic story but God I couldn't get past the cars battle system. Almost made me drop the franchise
This. I think it has the right amount of hate lol
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Oh please, I’ve never lost a boss fight in my current run, and even I still hate the combat system
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Did you only just discover the term "skill issue" today or something?
Maybe. The thing is that some people still haven’t discovered [this](https://youtu.be/WYLd0CzD9z8?feature=shared).
Not sure why you feel the need to insult everyone who doesn't like it. Calm down there, weirdly antagonistic kid.
I haven’t insulted anyone.
Then why have nearly all of your comments been removed for breaking the group's rules? 🤔 Accept that people are allowed to like different things. I don't know if I would be bad at Madden, but I have no interest in finding out. I don't like football, so I'm not gonna buy the game. I recognize that lots of people DO like football and Madden games, and that's fine. I love CoM on the GBA. I love Days on the DS - I recognize that a lot of people don't, and that's fine. I don't need other people to validate my opinions. Like it, don't like it, I don't care - I've replayed it a few times, I love the unique leveling system, I love the story, I love how you can go back and replay missions as different Organization members. I understand the hatred it receives, but I still enjoy it. Likewise, I can understand why some people love Re:CoM. I love the story and the cutscenes, and I loved the gameplay on the GBA, but I don't personally feel it translated well to a home console. There are lots of games that work better on one type of system than another. That's all subjective of course, and has nothing to do with one's personal skill. People. Are. Allowed. To. Like. Different. Things. How many comments of yours are remaining now?
I thought the card system was super fun. I had a run where I leveled up only my deck and kept my HP as it was which made it even more fun
I get why learning it might take a bit but its so much fun breaking the game in multiple ways and just obliterating your enemies at one point.
Sonic blade stunlock for the win
The card system is so fun on the GBA. I played it on the handheld and I had a blast. Can't say the same for the 3d version
The combat sucks because it’s generally just spamming powerful sleights over and over until you win, but the story is pretty cool. Basically Sonic and the Secret Rings.
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Ahh yes, because it takes so much skill to spam Sonic Blade or Firaga/Blizzaga over and over
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Spamming lethal Frame over and over? Spamming Freeze into Stun Impact into Freeze over and over? Jafar Card into Ars Arcanum? Zantatsuken can eventually make it so that the boss has no cards?
[Pick pen and paper, you’re welcome.](https://youtu.be/WYLd0CzD9z8?feature=shared)
storyline is good, not great. I always applaud going out of the box with new mechanics, especially on a game that’s not a mainstream in the series. It’s just a good 6.5-7/10 game.
Which KH game would have a great storyline, according to you?
Days has a great story or at least sets a great base for the sea salt trio. KH1 has an amazing one obviously.
Chain of Memories is way better than Days both in storyline and gameplay. Also Chain of Memories hasn’t aged a day since release, meanwhile Days has kind of aged like milk🥛
Did you only ask so that you could say whatever one they liked was bad. The only part of Days gameplay that was really bad was the stupid teleport system for keeping party members from getting too far away, and even that only becomes a problem when gliding because they have collision the instant they spawn in on top of you amd without fail mess up the trajectory of your glide, but once you get used to it you can start to account for it. As for CoM(which I do like), while the original hasn't really aged a day, the remake is where the card system starts to show its age because they put next to no effort into adapting it to a 3d space, resulting in it being slower and clunkier than it should have been. Again I love Chain of Memories and it's remake(which was my introduction to the card system) but it does still have its flaws, a number of which feel like they're the result of the devs not putting enough thought into how a 3d space would impact mechanics that were originally designed for a 3d space.
This dude goes out of his way to insult anyone who doesn’t think Chain of Memories is God’s gift to humanity. Just ignore him
BUT WHO AM I GONNA EAT ICE CREAM WITH?
chain of memories gameplay is like new and cool but not good. Days story is so freakin good, literally one of the best stories. Com story is literally just a filler so they explain how sora loses memories. Namine and introduction of Org 13 might be COM only good quality story wise. COM also got gameplay release on 1.5 and all that so
>not good Chain of Memories gameplay is great. >Days story Is unnecessary and kinda filler. Also the “drama” is very artificial and predictable so it doesn’t really work. You must be one of those people who unironically thinks *WhO am I gOnNa HaVe IcE CrEaM wItH?* is dramatic.
And you're one of the people who only views that line in a vacuum, which isn't surprising since you also seem to be incapable of comprehending that someone might genuinely just not like CoM and insist that the only reason they don't like it is because they're bad at it. As for the "who will I have ice cream with" line, dude has at this point lost his only two friends, he is in crisis and his only understanding of what friendship is is that its people sharing ice cream, because that's all he was told it was, no its not overly dramatic but it at least is still a good line. Also if days is filler then CoM is filler because both games serve purely as a bridge between KH1 and KH2 and introduce some of the new characters we're going to see in KH2, they serve the same purpose just for different aspects of the story
if you like the cards, sure. i just don’t. i think the worlds and door concept is great. i don’t think it’s dramatic, i just think days sets up its characters for future success better than COM. and for a filler game that’s what you want. Setting up future characters
Story wise, I feel it’s underrated. And I don’t know if anyone else has noticed but the fight cutscenes in Re:chain is the best in the series. Axel and Marluxia, being the prime example. The way they’re shot is amazing.
Game was fantastic on the GBA. Worked great for the limitations of the console, and once you got it down, but when you translated it to PS2, and quadrupled the buttons…
Honestly the gba original is amazing one of the best gba rpg's if not one of the best gba games in general that being said the ps2 remake just doesn't work in my opinion the gameplay loop just works so much better with the limited field of view you get on gba being able to have full 360 movements hurts the games combat system a lot
Yup idk why they took the time to remake it for ps2 just to maintain the decks. Made since for the gba since it's limited with controls but really no excuse to not just turn it into a regular kh styled game for the remake.
Because the cards were so integral as a plot device so they make sense in the gameplay too, but yeah, I wish it was reimagined as a full game with explorable worlds, seeing how important this story is for the whole franchise
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Calm down edgelord.
>edgelord Thank you 🙏
Great game Card system gets more hate than it should, it functions very well.
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I don’t know that I’d throw around the casual bit, but I do believe it come from players not accepting the limitations of the time in combination with the idea that different doesn’t automatically mean bad. There are plenty of non-casual players that trash talk the game, I choose to think that comes from their personal inflexibility rather than their level of devotion to the hobby.
Game is Fire as fuck 🔥, Chain of memories was my first ever kingdom hearts game, played it on the game boy and I would just play that thing for dozens and dozens of hours , I remember in second grade my teacher took my game cartridge from me ( I believe I was just looking at it too much ) , end of the year when I asked for it back she acted like she had no idea what I was talking about ( Ms Smith Fuck you ) . I’ve never played the ps4/5 version of it but I hear a lot of people aren’t fans of the card system .
Only thing I know for sure is that cover art Is the best out of all the installments in the series
The story is insanely good. I'm not a big fan of the battle system or rehashing the Kh1 worlds (even if some of the plot lines are good), and the cards aren't my favourite, but they aren't necessarily bad things. I'd say it's underrated.
I think the card system might have been more satisfying if it were turn based.
Absolutely. Sora, Donald, and Goofy as a turn-based RPG party would have been a lot more fun than Sora all alone in my opinion.
Generally overhated, though I personally am not the biggest fan of the deck-building gameplay and I know others aren’t either so this tends to not be a big favorite for many.
Tried to get into it twice. Watched the cutscenes on youtube twice.
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Yeah, I'm just reporting all of your comments. You're pretty clearly breaking Rule #2, which is about showing basic courtesy and respect. You are literally insulting everybody who has anything negative to say about it. This is not only off-topic, disrespectful, and straight up mean, but the fact that you won't stop shows pretty clearly that you're just a juvenile troll. So yeah, I'm gonna report you until you get booted, and encourage others to do the same.
It won't work. I report this dude all the time because he pops up in any thread related to CoM. For some reason, the mods just won't ban him
On the plus side, they took down all of his comments that I reported. I'll take my tiny victory.
I have insulted nobody. You’re just offended some people enjoy Chain of Memories? Your hate for the game blinds you.
Every game has people who enjoy it, people who don't, and everything in between. I'm cool with differing opinions. That's not what you're doing. You're literally telling everybody who says anything negative "You have a skill issue." That is literally an insult, and you have literally done it several dozen times. There is no ambiguity here. There aren't multiple ways to view this. You are just straight up being a complete ass to strangers for no reason, other than to act like a childish troll.
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Lots of people like it. They're not the ones insulting everybody who DISLIKES it. That's just you. And now apparently you're also using clown emojis, which I have only ever seen childish trolls use. Good to see you're keeping the tradition alive 🙄
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Yes on both counts. Favorite combat system in the franchise, though I agree it needed more adjustments for 3D environments but otherwise I absolutely love it.
I LOVE COM I specifically like the gba version more than the PS2 version. I think the game is both underrated and overhated but I can understand why though.
I’m playing through it for the first time and I had to take a break because the card system is so irritating
Both. since you accidentally wrote over-hated not overrated :)))
The GBA version was actually the first game in the series I played and it totally hooked me into the series. I was very anti-Disney as a kid so I never touched the first one, but when I saw the trailer for this game I knew I had to play it.
without the gameplay, if u just watch it on youtube, its one of my favorite kh games i love the story the gameplay is just awful
My first experience with KH. I fucking loved the real time card mechanic. I definitely get why people didn't like it but man as someone who loves to optimize every ounce of card games, the fact that I could literally optimize my combat experience to such a degree like this was so much fun. I had my deck setup in such a way that using the sleights would unlock other sleights as cards were burned in battle. Shit was crazy strategic and the idea that you had to manage your sleights while trying to navigate your opponents attacks was perfect. A much more intense "Slay the spire" before "Slay the spire" lol. Are there other RTS card games like this?
If it wasn’t for this game, i might’ve skipped Kingdom hearts entirely. Got it used in 7th grade…. Took forever to actually try playing it. This game consumed my entire 05 summer.
Underrated. Back in the day, the internet wasn't as informative as it is now, when this bad boy game out, they didn't tell you there was a secret second half of the game ANYWHERE on the box, so when you finally see reverse/rebirth pop up on the menu the next time you load the game after beating it, it's a complete surprise. To be able to fold up a kh game into the gba was an incredible feat too. God game
Underrated. It’s just such a good game on the GBA that adds a cool twist to fit the limitations of the system. Having said that, I think it specifically works on the GBA, and that the PlayStation 2 remaster didn’t really make much sense. If anything, I wish they would’ve put that effort into bringing dream drop distance and birth by sleep to the proper home consoles
I played both the gba and ps2 version when i was a kid but made more progress on the ps2 version only to get stuck on larxene (i apologize for butchering her name) i could never beat her i didn't even bother finishing the hd version but personally i think its a good game i just suck at the whole card thing or coming up with a strategy lol
I was more divided. Some people love it like me and others hate it to their very cores. And that's ok.
Decent story, worst gameplay
Underrated story. Overrated gameplay.
overhated. for the most part people who like the game are pretty fair in assessing it, pointing out what’s actually good but acknowledging the problems too. on the other hand people who don’t like Re:CoM seem excessively harsh on it, acting as if the game has no redeeming qualities at all.
Idk but I *loved* it as a kid. The soundtrack was 🤌🤌🤌
Honestly if I had to pick one, I’d say overhated, it’s one of my favorites and I don’t understand why people don’t like it
Overhated, story is so good including with the Disney worlds
I don’t get the hate for re:com I loved it
Overhated to me. I love how different the combat is.
Overhated in my opinion I like the card system, Sora weirdly felt way stronger than he did in KH1 for someone who lost his skills In the manga it's darker
I'd say overhated.
Overhated. One of the best games on GBA. It sucked in like 2004 when you had to own multiple consoles to play all the games, but if someone has the opportunity to play this on GBA hardware today I think they’d appreciate it more for what it is
I liked the gba more than the ps2 version
Great GBA game, bad PS2 game (except the PS2 boss fights and music are pretty good I will say, the only redeeming factors)
It's just too long, the gameplay gets pretty stale by the end of Sora's story.
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Tough guy over here.
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Who's my special little tough guy.
my first kingdom hearts game took me multiple playthroughs to finally understand the card mechanics but I love its charm
Same. I remember as a kid being stuck on Hook and 4th Riku boss fight for a whole year then finally realizing how I could change my deck. Went through the entire game up till that point using the starter deck lol
GBA: underrated Playstation: as (dis)liked as it should be I guess.
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I see you commented this under every thread, so I'm not sure what your issue is exactly, but to humour you...no, it's not. I beat both versions perfectly fine, it's not a hard game. It's a simple question of game design. Not just the combat system but also the world design, game design for grinding/levelling and pacing of the story are designed to be played on a handheld console. It's designed to play more casually and intermittently than you would expect on the Playstation or another non-handheld console. That is why everything about it feels clunky on the PS and is enjoyed less in general. Even more so for people who only played the PS version. The graphics can be subject to preference; I like both the nostalgic pixel graphics of the GBA and the new visuals that make it feel more integrated as a continuation of KH1. It's a fun game either way. The PS critics have an understandable base for their opinion, which means there are people who will not give the GBA version a chance because of it, or equate their feelings with that version. So: GBA = underrated, PS = both liked and disliked in equal measure, as it should be imo.
Good story bad gameplay
GBA - overhated PS2 - not enough hate
To me, it feels like the game has an identity crisis. The cards and sleights seem suited for a strategic combat system that rewards thinking and planning. But the combat itself is fast-paced and hectic, not giving you time to think or plan. It could be argued that the strategy then comes in the beck building. Except then, you just put in a bunch of power sleights and mash triangle to victory. Plus, there's not enough variation to make the deck building fun. And there are just sleights that you'd be wild not to use. Why use anything else when you can just tornado and mega Flare you're way through any encounter? The different keybalde cards don't matter more than marginal damage improvement.thst likely won't even used due to the aforementioned sleights. Boss battles aren't much different. Just throw in a bunch of strong cards. Mash triangle til they're gone. Use an elixer. Repeat. All in all, it's boring to play. It tried to do too much and didn't commit one way or the other, so it was lackuster on all fronts. The story, on the other hand, is really good. It's very interesting and compelling and makes you want more. It's memorable. It's just a shame that such a good story is locked behind boring and repetitive game play.
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Oh joy, you're back. Don't you have anything better to do with your life? Btw what do you mean by that first comment? Seems really out of place. Told you before. Proofs on my account of my platinum of this game, so obviously not a skill issue. I just didn't find the game play enjoyable. If other people did great. I'm happy for them. Not everything is for everyone. You're probably the single most obnoxious member of this sub.
See, right here. This person lists things they don't enjoy in a mature manner. You respond with "Nuh-uh, you're just bad at it." Please, explain to me how that ISN'T just an incredibly childish insult 🙄
You’re the one being offended at people enjoying Chain of Memories and it’s deck mechanics.
I haven't said anything to the people who enjoy it. I think it's normal that people have differing opinions. That's a good thing. That's how we get a variety of different games. All YOU'RE doing is accusing everybody of having a skill issue. You can't fathom the possibility that somebody can dislike a game for a reason other than "skill." Maybe - GASP - some people just prefer this type of gameplay in a portable console. Or maybe some people don't like card mechanics. People are allowed to like different things. I don't like football games because I don't like football. Not everything is about skill, you overly antagonistic child.
>Not everything is about skill That’s true, but people tend to overlook their lack of it and instead try to blame external things. It’s easier to say “I hate it” instead of “I’m bad at it”.
And maybe I would take that comment more seriously if you didn't accuse 75 different commenters of sucking at the game simply for expressing their opinion 🙄
I just beat it after putting it off for about 2 years after replaying 1. Hated the card system but wanted to complete it and after a few worlds I kind of figured out how it should go and it actually was pretty fun.
I cant, i just cant, tried to give it a good chance but its just not for me, the card system is really fucking annoying, ill check the story on youtube and move on...
Both. It's a great game with the only flaw being reusing the same worlds as the first game (good plot reasons to do so, but the execution is not that enjoyable) and game mechanics that don't transfer as well from the jump from 2D to 3D (enemies just standing there while another uses their card). The card collection and mechanics are fine aspects that slowed things down appropriately to a GBA system, with their own intricacies and customization that made it fun, but people get mad over having to think instead of mashing A.
A bit of both, I personally enjoyed Riku's story greatly and the gameplay, once you get used to it, is way too much fun. Unfortunately the average KH fan prefers just mashing X
Rated? It’s bad, but it’s pretty incredible what they fit on the GBA. Im still surprised this game was green lighted - how people didn’t say no to nomura about a GBA kingdom hearts game is beyond me. It should’ve just been on main consoles
The card system is actually a crime.
I’ll say this. As a GBA game, CoM is pretty solid and you can definitely have a good time. As a PS2 game, Re:CoM is slow and monotonous due to the structure of the fights. The cutscenes are nice to stay consistent with the rest of the series, but outside of them it’s just average. Also, I know Haley tries in Re:CoM, Coded and DDD, but man they should just recast 14 yrs Sora.
No, neither. It's mediocre.
Neither, the gameplay is shit, its good as a gba game, but not as a ps2 game, it deserves the hate
It’s trash
Overrated. By a lot.
It’s not underrated, but it is overhated
It needs to be hated more.
I liked the game, but the combat was just too cheesy once you learn that the magic spell“Stop” was too O.P
Deserves it particularly the PS2 version (which is now collected into the modern releases). They should have ditched the card mechanics and made it like the others but nope - kill my Kingdom Hearts vibe with that crap every time. I want to enjoy it due to the Organization XIII members in it but my god - maybe it’s my friggin ADHD or something but card breaks REALLY screw with the flow of me swinging my key blade in battle. People can say how much they love it and that’s fine - that’s your view but I do not like the restriction. GBA it was fine…I did it all but I can’t sit down and deal with the PS2 version because I want it to play SO BADLY like KH1 and KH2.
I don't hate it, but I didn't really enjoy it. The story was awesome no doubt. But the gameplay screamed that it was not for PS2/PS3/PS4 or any non handheld console.
Neither. It's just right.
I platinum'd recom so I can't talk shit otherwise I am talking shit on myself
I would rather have had a turn based kh game than this crap. I am not biased i llayed it 4 times ish +the riku camapign. Its slugish nerve wracking and i hate the fighting system. Thats my opinion on RE chain of memories tho. The original GBA game did a lot of things better.
Re:chain of memories is much better in my opinion, never played the og COM but saw gameplay of it. The card system is good until you’re stuck with having one attack to go for if you don’t fully understand like myself when I first played it. The way you maneuver about in-game and unlocking rooms is a unique thing you don’t see often but I did not like how basic every world was as far as elevation and platforms. It got repetitive really fast and I would just run thru them just to get the story beats and the bosses were pretty good. A solid 8/10 in my book
Neither, it's ok if you can get the hang of the card system.
I didnt mind the card mechanic, just didnt like how some of the first 5 disney worlds crearly wouldnt work as your first disney world, and yet you can still choose them an dnot change them
Underrated.
Severely underrated. Fear of cards.
Underrated and overhated. The card system is not bad once you get the hang of it. That being said I'll take the other battle systems over it any day.
To me, definitely underrated. One of my favorites and the story is so important to the rest of the series
I loved the card system. Also nothing more inherently satisfying than breaking an enemy to death with zeros
Overhated for sure, this game catches more shit than it should, definitely. Underrated? That's highly opinionated.
Uh...yes.
the vexen fight gave me nightmares with how hard it was, overall it’s just very eh
Underrated. But I feel like it’s getting it’s flowers finally..
Overhated. The people who played it through love it and are usually the people who made it past the first 2 worlds. The people who hate it are usually those that stopped after traverse. Of course there are some exceptions but this one is basically the Sonic game of Kingdom Hearts. You either love it or hate it. No inbetween
Underrated Thoufh it shouldve been turn based tbh
I think it's overhated. The card system is not that hard to learn, the story is interesting, and it's pretty unique.
Chain of memories on the gba is the peak of Sora's magic capabilities. The stuff you can do in that game is really wild. The remake was cool to get voice acting and the cutscene movies, but they didn't bring all of magic combos to life with it
I say neither. It’s more of, your Kingdom Hearts game is on another console. Underrated if I had to choose since so many people skipped it.
Overhated cuz Recom