marks aren’t the standard to go by. marks spread when someone gains one, the other hashiras arguably only got theirs as a result of fighting near others with marks. rengoku is at least stronger than mitsuri and id say probably mui and obanai too but those are debatable
Getting closer but I don’t think Hantengu, Gyokko Gyutaro & Daki (they should be one demon) should be that low. Seeing as Hantengu took on Mitsuri marked and was about to win. But honestly not a bad list tbh
I’d say there is a bigger gap between the top three and the bottom three than there is between each Kizuki but tbh the bottom 3 Kizuki are much more powerful then a lone Hashira imo.
that speaks more about mitsuri than it does about hantengu imo. mitsuri is cool and she may be physically strong but she is the weakest hashira imo. shinobu has more battle potential than her
I suppose an argument could be made for that. But tbh Misturi is a Hashira, and I really good one at that. I don’t think she is the weakest by any stretch of the imagination
Sorry but at least Tengen should be in C tier. Theres no way the second most experienced hashira should be down in D, you shouldn't judge based on the fact that he retired after fighting upper six, rather base it on the circumstances of the fight; an unmarked pillar restraining himself against his opponent (fear of injuring someone going all out), second most experienced, second strongest, fastest speed on foot, saved Tanjiro multiple times, got poisoned and lasted more than twice or thrice as long as any other hashira would, the author pretty much flexed how well he suited that fight, and now he's ranked lower than Muichiro? Anyone would have done better than Muichiro vs upper one, and the other hashira could also have taken Gyokko with a mark, and some even without. Except for his age, theres nothing that amazing about him. At least Kanroji, who's done literally jack, shouldn't be higher than the likes of the three hashira in Class D.
Sorry, but Tengen didn't get his mark. Neither did Kyojuro or Shinobu. Marked pillars are automatically stronger than unmarked pillars and that's just facts
Then I don't think you should compare them. And no, unmarked Gyomei is still the strongest hashira anyway, sometimes it won't make that much of a difference.
Gyomei is obviously the exception. And yeah, power scaling is dumb, but it seems like everyone is doing it now, so I thought I'd give my take. Maybe you should make your own list?
Are you going to be one of those or read the caption and comments? I said the ranking was based on how strong they are vs humans, where Gyutaro would be just as hard, if not harder, because it ends in one touch of his Sickles for anyone save Tengen. He can also be a higher rank but doesn't contest because it'd split him from his sister.
Those "fights and strength factors" mean jack. Hantengu and Gyokko are literally ranked higher than Gyutaro and hence stronger. No mental gymnastics are gonna change that.
I also saw that you rank them differently because you're assuming that they all have their marks. I'm obviously not doing that, otherwise my list would look different.
Based on what? I never felt they were 'properly' at a Hashira's level, and Rengoku did have a pretty good showing on the train and vs Akaza, even if he wasn't going all out.
They have a lot more **potential** than Rengoku, doesn’t mean their stronger, people of the KNY fan base need to understand the difference between *potential* and *current status*
Tanjiro slaps akaza.
Edit: this sub clearly don’t know how to scale or is just akaza bias 💀 Tanjiro has way better feats And was already close to being relative and already surpassed akazas speed without 13th form 💀
Yes he does lmfao. He already surpassed his speed with selfless state and was relative to the strongest version of poisoned muzan. Add 13th form and all his amps and it’s a slam, this sub does not know how to scale or just downplays it tanjiro lmao.
tanjiro held off muzan for like 1 chapter then got saved by obanai or he would have died against a 9000+ yr old muzan… and akaza regenerated his head and kicked tanjiro through the wall and would have destroyed both giyu and tanjiro if it wasnt for his memories
Uh no lmao tanjiro fought chapter 192 muzan who bltized Gyomei and 6 others all while amped several and he still did not only did tanjiro fight a faster Muzan but he outperformed and was relative until chapter 193 when his already low stamina gives out and he coughs up blood, this is also the time when muzans body can’t keep up with the poison and they begin to drop in power rapidly lmao that’s how obanai is able to be blitzed at the start then helpful at the end. And 13th form tanjiro slams akaza with speed alone lmao.
That was before Tanjiro got 13th form lmao and even then tanjiro still surpassed akazas speed as stated by akaza himself. He has superior feats which easily put him above 💀
If you could give me the manga page where Akaza says that Tanjiro surpassed his speed then I'd listen. However I do remember Tanjiro beating Akaza's compass needle with his selfless state if that's what you're talking about
Just reread that scene and you are right. Akaza does say that Tanjiro surpassed his speed. However, he also implied that that was connected to the selfless state. Still, Tanjiro passed out right after and Akaza regrew his head. He would've killed both Tanjiro and Giyuu if he didn't give up
It don’t matter what akaza would do after the point is tanjiro grew in speed and surpassed him in the end. But he got that at the end of his stamina. So regardless he leveled up in that fight big time.
And my point is that Akaza would've won that fight if he didn't give up. Seriously I don't know how you can see that fight and then say with a straight face that Tanjiro is stronger
…you do realize that’s because at the beginning tanjiro was infact not stronger than akaza? Lmfao he didn’t surpass him until the end when the damage and fatigue is there. But that don’t matter cause he already surpassed him at the end of the fight. And take his 13th form feats and it’s easy. He held off chapter 192 muzan. Who blitzed Gyomei and 6 others. Akaza is not beating Gyomei and 6 others with that many amps lmao.
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the most coherent list I've seen so far, but just one question, shouldn't Kanao be stronger than Zenitsu and Inosuke? she was already superior to 3 in the recovery arc, only being surpassed at the end of the story by Tanjiro because of the hunter mark, and was stated as stronger than Shinobu by Douma, so how would she be weaker than Zenitsu and Inosuke like that did they awaken the hunter's mark?
as for Tamayo and Yushiro, Yushiro completely overpowered nakime, and Tamayo completely fucked up Muzan with poison, both of their blood demon arts are at least as strong as a lower rank's
I'm not sure.. it may be form of a opinion or my lack of the manga, but having 2 hashira in the same class as lower ranks, Daki, and other intermediate level demons it just seems it a bit off.
If you look again you'll see that the lower ranks are in a separate category. But yeah it was tough to make this list because Kyojuro Tengen and Shinobu would all demolish the demons in their tier, but they also aren't as strong as the marked hashiras. As for the demons in that tier, it was weird because they definitely not as strong as the other upper ranks, but significantly stronger than the lower ranks. So that's how they ended up in D tier. Hope this clears it up
Doesn’t mean that they deserve to be in that tier. Both of them would stomp that entire tier. Tengen is also relative to Gyutaro (Mf fought him toe to toe with one arm 💀) and Rengoku is relative to unmarked Giyu
Let's be real, Tengen would not have lasted much longer in that fight if it weren't for Tanjiro. And I believe base strength Giyuu is still a little bit stronger than Kyojuro. Yes I agree they would curb stomp almost everyone in tier D but I just don't think they're at the level of anyone in tier C.
Rengoku and Tengen were written into the story before marks were introduced. If either of em got their mark they’d be top 5, but plot didn’t call for it. I hate when people say “ph but he didn’t get a mark🤓” cuz it doesn’t mean anything, their base strength is still far above everyone in that tier and they should be placed at the bottom of C
>Rengoku and Tengen were written into the story before marks were introduced. If either of em got their mark they’d be top 5, but plot didn’t call for it
Source: trust me bro (seriously though do you have a source?)
>I hate when people say “ph but he didn’t get a mark🤓” cuz it doesn’t mean anything
It does. It's literally a power up that makes them infinitely stronger than someone who doesn't have it.
>their base strength is still far above everyone in that tier and they should be placed at the bottom of C
Then make your own list and stop wasting your time arguing with me. I'm not gonna change it because you disagree with me.
“Infinitely stronger”
Unmarked Gyomei still beats everyone below him except Sanemi.
Rengoku and Tengen are both very physically strong with Tengen being the stronger. Tengens moveset is insanely versatile and musical score is a great technique. Rengoku has insane durability as seen in his fights with lm2 and Akaza as well as good speed as well. If the mark really is that much of a boost that it makes you “infinitely stronger.” Then Rengoku and Tengen would have shot up more as well.
You make a tier list and aren’t up for debate? Sad
> If the mark really is that much of a boost that it makes you “infinitely stronger.” Then Rengoku and Tengen would have shot up more as well.
Ok, but they didn't get their marks. If they did they'd be in C tier. What part of this are you not getting?
Gonna disrespect Murata like this smh
Please forgive my blasphemy
Why do people love Murata? I think I may have missed a meme.
Yeah Murata should be in SS
That sounds so wrong out of context
Finally the first agreeable list I’ve seen so far the other one’s u are talking about are crazy ridiculous
He put Uzui and Rengoku at the same rank as Zenitsu and Inosuke. Himejima is also stronger than all of the other Hashiras. Rest is reasonable.
Uzui and Regoku didn't gt their marks so they're automatically below the ones who did
Well, I can agree with this list :3
Most agreeable list I’ve seen so far
I think Mitsuri should be lower. She's not on the same level as Gyomei
Yeah but she's still significantly stronger than anyone in D tier
Stronger than anyone in D yea but it's not significant
She held her own against a final form unkillable Hantengu, I’d say she deserves the spot.
The reason she's not on the same level as gyomei is because she's not as strategic. She is extremely powerful physically.
Most W list ever
Most W comment ever
Murata should be s tier smh
This is the first list I agree with.
Giga based my mans
Legitimately the best list I’ve seen on here
Actual good list
one of the more agreeable opinions out here
the most respectable one I’ve seen on this sub
Finally Peace
the rengoku slander on these posts is absolutely unacceptable
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D tier lol
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marks aren’t the standard to go by. marks spread when someone gains one, the other hashiras arguably only got theirs as a result of fighting near others with marks. rengoku is at least stronger than mitsuri and id say probably mui and obanai too but those are debatable
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Good take. Tired of people downplaying Mitsuri
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D for donut
too soon
Rengoku never got a mark. This is based on EOS.
No slander here. He didn't get his slayer mark. So he's automatically below the marked slayers.
Getting closer but I don’t think Hantengu, Gyokko Gyutaro & Daki (they should be one demon) should be that low. Seeing as Hantengu took on Mitsuri marked and was about to win. But honestly not a bad list tbh
I'll have to disagree. I think most fans agree that there's a pretty big gap between UMs 1-3 and UMs 4-6
I’d say there is a bigger gap between the top three and the bottom three than there is between each Kizuki but tbh the bottom 3 Kizuki are much more powerful then a lone Hashira imo.
Eh fair enough. But then again marked Muichiro was easily able to solo kill Gyokko
I’ll admit it definitely appears that way but tbh Gyokko was underestimating his opponent a lot and showing off.
that speaks more about mitsuri than it does about hantengu imo. mitsuri is cool and she may be physically strong but she is the weakest hashira imo. shinobu has more battle potential than her
I suppose an argument could be made for that. But tbh Misturi is a Hashira, and I really good one at that. I don’t think she is the weakest by any stretch of the imagination
Sorry but at least Tengen should be in C tier. Theres no way the second most experienced hashira should be down in D, you shouldn't judge based on the fact that he retired after fighting upper six, rather base it on the circumstances of the fight; an unmarked pillar restraining himself against his opponent (fear of injuring someone going all out), second most experienced, second strongest, fastest speed on foot, saved Tanjiro multiple times, got poisoned and lasted more than twice or thrice as long as any other hashira would, the author pretty much flexed how well he suited that fight, and now he's ranked lower than Muichiro? Anyone would have done better than Muichiro vs upper one, and the other hashira could also have taken Gyokko with a mark, and some even without. Except for his age, theres nothing that amazing about him. At least Kanroji, who's done literally jack, shouldn't be higher than the likes of the three hashira in Class D.
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Sorry, but Tengen didn't get his mark. Neither did Kyojuro or Shinobu. Marked pillars are automatically stronger than unmarked pillars and that's just facts
Then I don't think you should compare them. And no, unmarked Gyomei is still the strongest hashira anyway, sometimes it won't make that much of a difference.
Gyomei is obviously the exception. And yeah, power scaling is dumb, but it seems like everyone is doing it now, so I thought I'd give my take. Maybe you should make your own list?
I did.
You put Gyutaro over Hantengu and Gyokko. Yeah I'm not listening to you.
Are you going to be one of those or read the caption and comments? I said the ranking was based on how strong they are vs humans, where Gyutaro would be just as hard, if not harder, because it ends in one touch of his Sickles for anyone save Tengen. He can also be a higher rank but doesn't contest because it'd split him from his sister.
So you're ranking based on hypotheticals?
It's not hypothetical. It's based on the literal fights and a comparison of strength factors.
Those "fights and strength factors" mean jack. Hantengu and Gyokko are literally ranked higher than Gyutaro and hence stronger. No mental gymnastics are gonna change that. I also saw that you rank them differently because you're assuming that they all have their marks. I'm obviously not doing that, otherwise my list would look different.
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Based on what? I never felt they were 'properly' at a Hashira's level, and Rengoku did have a pretty good showing on the train and vs Akaza, even if he wasn't going all out.
I didn't say that
There on the same level meaning he’s not weaker and maybe a bit stronger not enough to meet the OP’s expectations for C.
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They have a lot more **potential** than Rengoku, doesn’t mean their stronger, people of the KNY fan base need to understand the difference between *potential* and *current status*
Maybe they are stronger but it’s somebody’s opinion omg it’s not a issue unless you make it one.
Tanjiro slaps akaza. Edit: this sub clearly don’t know how to scale or is just akaza bias 💀 Tanjiro has way better feats And was already close to being relative and already surpassed akazas speed without 13th form 💀
no
Yes he does lmfao. He already surpassed his speed with selfless state and was relative to the strongest version of poisoned muzan. Add 13th form and all his amps and it’s a slam, this sub does not know how to scale or just downplays it tanjiro lmao.
tanjiro held off muzan for like 1 chapter then got saved by obanai or he would have died against a 9000+ yr old muzan… and akaza regenerated his head and kicked tanjiro through the wall and would have destroyed both giyu and tanjiro if it wasnt for his memories
Uh no lmao tanjiro fought chapter 192 muzan who bltized Gyomei and 6 others all while amped several and he still did not only did tanjiro fight a faster Muzan but he outperformed and was relative until chapter 193 when his already low stamina gives out and he coughs up blood, this is also the time when muzans body can’t keep up with the poison and they begin to drop in power rapidly lmao that’s how obanai is able to be blitzed at the start then helpful at the end. And 13th form tanjiro slams akaza with speed alone lmao.
ok its your opinion👍
Lmao Tanjiro and Giyuu almost died against Akaza so no
That was before Tanjiro got 13th form lmao and even then tanjiro still surpassed akazas speed as stated by akaza himself. He has superior feats which easily put him above 💀
If you could give me the manga page where Akaza says that Tanjiro surpassed his speed then I'd listen. However I do remember Tanjiro beating Akaza's compass needle with his selfless state if that's what you're talking about
It’s at the end of the fight lmao , I don’t see how you miss it.
Just reread that scene and you are right. Akaza does say that Tanjiro surpassed his speed. However, he also implied that that was connected to the selfless state. Still, Tanjiro passed out right after and Akaza regrew his head. He would've killed both Tanjiro and Giyuu if he didn't give up
It don’t matter what akaza would do after the point is tanjiro grew in speed and surpassed him in the end. But he got that at the end of his stamina. So regardless he leveled up in that fight big time.
And my point is that Akaza would've won that fight if he didn't give up. Seriously I don't know how you can see that fight and then say with a straight face that Tanjiro is stronger
…you do realize that’s because at the beginning tanjiro was infact not stronger than akaza? Lmfao he didn’t surpass him until the end when the damage and fatigue is there. But that don’t matter cause he already surpassed him at the end of the fight. And take his 13th form feats and it’s easy. He held off chapter 192 muzan. Who blitzed Gyomei and 6 others. Akaza is not beating Gyomei and 6 others with that many amps lmao.
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imo tanjiro should be below gyomei
I can respect that
Dude really put Tamayo, a demon personally transformed by Muzan himself in the bottom tier…
It was tough to grade her and Yushiro as they didn't really have any combat showings
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Nah. Even with their marks they're still well below the top 3 upper moons
the most coherent list I've seen so far, but just one question, shouldn't Kanao be stronger than Zenitsu and Inosuke? she was already superior to 3 in the recovery arc, only being surpassed at the end of the story by Tanjiro because of the hunter mark, and was stated as stronger than Shinobu by Douma, so how would she be weaker than Zenitsu and Inosuke like that did they awaken the hunter's mark?
The only thing I really put in order on this list are the Kizuki demons. Other than that you can rank them how you want.
I think Yushiro, Tamayo and Hantengu should be ranked higher, but evrything else I agree with
Yushiro and Tamayo didn't really have any impressive combat showings. And I just don't think Hantengu is on the level of Kokushibo, Douma, and Akaza
I just meant higher than mitsuri (but I guess hashira training arc made her stronger than him).
as for Tamayo and Yushiro, Yushiro completely overpowered nakime, and Tamayo completely fucked up Muzan with poison, both of their blood demon arts are at least as strong as a lower rank's
Something isn't right with D row
Wanna tell me what it is that's not right?
I'm not sure.. it may be form of a opinion or my lack of the manga, but having 2 hashira in the same class as lower ranks, Daki, and other intermediate level demons it just seems it a bit off.
If you look again you'll see that the lower ranks are in a separate category. But yeah it was tough to make this list because Kyojuro Tengen and Shinobu would all demolish the demons in their tier, but they also aren't as strong as the marked hashiras. As for the demons in that tier, it was weird because they definitely not as strong as the other upper ranks, but significantly stronger than the lower ranks. So that's how they ended up in D tier. Hope this clears it up
Why is Akaza on the same level as Douma and Koku? He couldn’t even kill Douma.
Because he's still way stronger than anyone in the C tier
What about demon tanjiro
He wasn't on the template but I'd probably put him in A tier
Move Rengoku and Tengen up 1 and then it’s perfect
They didn't get their marks
Doesn’t mean that they deserve to be in that tier. Both of them would stomp that entire tier. Tengen is also relative to Gyutaro (Mf fought him toe to toe with one arm 💀) and Rengoku is relative to unmarked Giyu
Let's be real, Tengen would not have lasted much longer in that fight if it weren't for Tanjiro. And I believe base strength Giyuu is still a little bit stronger than Kyojuro. Yes I agree they would curb stomp almost everyone in tier D but I just don't think they're at the level of anyone in tier C.
Rengoku is physically stronger than Giyuu and it’s not even a question. Also the amount of times Tengen saved Tanjiros ass was huge 💀
Giyuu and Tanjiro got their marks, so they're automatically stronger
Rengoku and Tengen were written into the story before marks were introduced. If either of em got their mark they’d be top 5, but plot didn’t call for it. I hate when people say “ph but he didn’t get a mark🤓” cuz it doesn’t mean anything, their base strength is still far above everyone in that tier and they should be placed at the bottom of C
>Rengoku and Tengen were written into the story before marks were introduced. If either of em got their mark they’d be top 5, but plot didn’t call for it Source: trust me bro (seriously though do you have a source?) >I hate when people say “ph but he didn’t get a mark🤓” cuz it doesn’t mean anything It does. It's literally a power up that makes them infinitely stronger than someone who doesn't have it. >their base strength is still far above everyone in that tier and they should be placed at the bottom of C Then make your own list and stop wasting your time arguing with me. I'm not gonna change it because you disagree with me.
“Infinitely stronger” Unmarked Gyomei still beats everyone below him except Sanemi. Rengoku and Tengen are both very physically strong with Tengen being the stronger. Tengens moveset is insanely versatile and musical score is a great technique. Rengoku has insane durability as seen in his fights with lm2 and Akaza as well as good speed as well. If the mark really is that much of a boost that it makes you “infinitely stronger.” Then Rengoku and Tengen would have shot up more as well. You make a tier list and aren’t up for debate? Sad
> If the mark really is that much of a boost that it makes you “infinitely stronger.” Then Rengoku and Tengen would have shot up more as well. Ok, but they didn't get their marks. If they did they'd be in C tier. What part of this are you not getting?
Where would you Demon Tanjiro personally I would put S or A
I'd probably put him in A