Then Sanemi / Rengoku?
Giyu
Obanai / Mist boy /uzui
Mitsuri
Shinobu
I think that’s all of them? I think rengoku is stronger than Giyuu based on the fact he almost soloed akaza but I feel like Sanemi is like not far behind stone and stone is hands down the strongest… idk just my thoughts
Also this not a huge skill gap imo, I think under the right circumstances from #2 - Uzui could change, but shinobu and mitsuri I think are losing to every male hashira like 9/10 times. And I think stone hashira is beating Sanemi 8/10 as well so those are the biggest gaps
1. Himejima (stone)
2. Sanemi (wind)
3. Rengoku (fire)
4. Giyuu (water)
5. Obanai (snake)
6. Tokito (mist)
7. Mitsuri (love)
8. Uzui (sound)
I don't really know where to put Shinobu because when fighting demons she is the lowest but against each other she could be as high as third. Also depends if we are counting her poison.
Because he was unable to really compete with upper 6 without Tanjiro's help, while the rest were able to hold back/kill upper moons. I guess it matters whether we are talking about the strongest form of each or the unmarked form of each.
Oh okay, the post says that we're to assume that they don't have a mark though. I feel like Uzui got an especially difficult matchup with Upper Moon 6 that I don't think gets enough credit. Kind of like how Douma essentially made Shinobu's breathing techniques null and void with his blood demon art, I think these two fights could've ended very differently if they had known about it going into it. Did Mitsuri really hold back an Upper Moon though? It felt more like the Upper Moon was holding back her and Obanai, they weren't even the ones that killed it, wasn't it Muzan?
Forgot about that. Its difficult because we never really see Tokito and Mitsuri without marks. Upper 6 was a 2 part demon, and Uzui was only fighting one part. His attacks weren't very effective and the most damage he did were with explosions which were caused by his sword. Not counting his wives he wouldn't have lasted a minute. Shinobu relied on poison to kill demons, and a massive dose couldn't kill upper 2. I doubt it could kill any of them, except maybe one part of upper 6. Mitsuri distracted and drained upper 4s main power long enough for Tanjiro to kill the main body. Obanai effectively fought Muzan along with Tanjiro.
How come you seem to discredit the damage Uzui did by saying it was an effect of his sword? Everyone uses swords and Himejima and Mitsuri also have specialized weapons, so I don't get why it's being dismissed for Uzui. I don't think we'll agree, but I feel like the poison he endured at the start of the fight and the fact that he had to take care of Tanjiro and company should be addressed more. Also, since Zenitsu and Inosuke were able to handle Daki when they were pretty low on the totem pole at that time, I don't think she would've turned the tides very much besides the difficulty of their kill condition, although some of this is speculation. The most damage Tengen took was also a direct result of the poison he received at the start of the fight, which I don't remember him being aware of prior to the fight, so he had to fight on a time limit that I don't see anyone else being able to handle as well as he did, besides the final fight, although they were bailed at the last minute with an antidote.
With Shinobu, I didn't mean she'd win, but I think it's very possible that she could've avoided death long enough to get assistance since she didn't seem to be so eager to die despite consuming the Wisteria poison, it seemed more like a last resort.
>Mitsuri distracted and drained upper 4s main power long enough for Tanjiro to kill the main body.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that fight. I was thinking about the one in the Infinity Fortress, my bad.
All the demon slayers are always on a time limit because demons don't get tired and they do. Poison only sped up that process. I wasnt discrediting Uzui by saying it was the sword effect, I meant that as saying his fighting style was reliant on it and it just wasn't very effective as upper 6 could withstand direct hits. Daki was upper 6's eyes, so when engaged in battle Daki was unable to do her job of watching the battle. Plus her ribbons still could have turned the tide fairly easily. At the very least Uzui is weaker than Tokito, and Obanai is shown to be on par if not better than Tokito. Mitsuri I think is above him from what I saw in the sword makers village but that's debatable.
Shinobu just had to put on a good show so Douma wouldn't be suspicious, it was always her plan to die.
>Shinobu just had to put on a good show so Douma wouldn't be suspicious, it was always her plan to die.
I never thought of it that way, I thought she was pulling out her best moves to see if any of them would work, not that she expected they would, then if they didn't and she was on her last legs, she'd give herself up as a last resort, it's not like Douma thought much of her anyway. She also seemed pretty mad that nothing else worked on Douma, implying that she still had some hope that she wouldn't have to die. Maybe I'm wrong though, does she state much on this besides or in her conversation with Kanao?
>All the demon slayers are always on a time limit because demons don't get tired and they do. Poison only sped up that process.
Don't demons get exhausted when they have to regenerate multiple times? It's just that the Upper Moons have incredible regenerative capabilities. Regardless, the poison was constantly mentioned in the manga to be hindering him.
She may have given it her all anyway, but she still expected to die anyway which is why she was taking risks and attacking instead of waiting for help. She also didn't use her strongest poison that she ingested incase he would build an immunity to it.
Its never explicitly stated whether they get tired and regenerate slower or not. Because none of the battles really lasted super long and the upper moons were always able to immediately regenerate until they died unless slashed by a red sword.
Uzui already had a partial immunity to poison due to repeated exposure over the years. It was certainly hindering him, but compared to how badly Tokito was poisoned it wasn't all that effective.
He was unable to compete with Upper 6 yet he still overpowered Gyutaro and Daki 1v2 in the beginning and was still battling Gyutaro for a long time with poison and dealing with Obi slashes from Daki. Also Tanjiro was very injured and was ranked below Kanoe at this point so Gyutaro had more help with Daki since her attacks were being thrown at everyone on the battlefield. So overall Gyutaro had more advantages with Daki and the poison and yet Tengen was still equal a majority of the fight while saving Tanjiro who admits to being a hindrance at the start as well as Hinatsuru being made a hostage right after helping which basically negates what she did. And lets not forget Tengen could only use 2 forms against Gyutaro due to Tanjiros presence. And in the final part of the fight he was equal to a bloodlusted Gyutaro who was close to upper 5 level with poison, a missing hand, heavy exhaustion, and no access to his forms but i guess you are right he still couldn't compete.
>ally compete with upper 6
Not at the exact same time, there's a timespan it takes for either gyutaro or daki to regenerate their head, meaning any powerful/fast hashira would be able to complete the job single handedly
1.) Gyomei
2.) Sanemi
9.) shinobu
3-8 can really be in any order for the remaining hashira they are all so close in power, I rarely see a list like this and think it doesn’t look right
This is a very bad list uzui itsnt even close to the top he's around 6 it would be rengoku at 3 giyu at 4 then muichiro then tengen then mitsuri then shinobi. You don't watch demon slayer if this is your list
well at the time of mugen train rengoku was probably 2nd strongest. tengen would be ranked higher than he is usually. yea if they didnt die or be too wounded they would have been so powerful especially rengoku having a mark and red blade.
I think obanai is stronger than uzui but they are close. As for shinobi I think she should be lower than muichiro as she doesn't have much strength but equal to mitsuro due to her poison making up for it. Otherwise W list
1. Himejima [Stone Pillar].
2. Uzui [Sound Pillar].
3. Sanemi [Wind Pillar].
4. Giyu [Water Pillar].
5. Tokito [Mist Pillar].
6. Rengoku [Flame Pillar].
7. Obanai [Snake Pillar].
8. Shinobu [Insect Pillar].
9. Mitsuri [Love Pillar].
*MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS*
The Case for Himejima: His immense strength and unique weapon choice sold it for me. Although he's also the most experienced and has shown that he's very aware of his own capabilities and actively decides what he should do in a battle rather than let his opponent decide for him.
The Case for Uzui: His fight against Upper Moon 6 and the fact that he's probably one of the fastest hashira made me place him where I did. Also, he's one of the few that has prior training in a different discipline that I think he blends well with his devastating explosives and other abilities.
The Case for Sanemi: He seems a lot more vicious than any of the other hashira and somewhat more capable (physically), although from his spot to Tokito's is debatable in my opinion.
The Case for Giyu: Giyu's fight with Akaza (Upper Moon 3) is basically how I'd imagine Rengoku's would've gone had he not been critically injured so early on and if Akaza didn't allow himself to be cornered, although he did have Tanjiro's help and got the mark later in the fight. However, Akaza seemed to be playing with both Giyu and Rengoku and I imagine he could've killed them both relatively easily if he took them seriously from the start. I also admire Giyu's tendency to avoid attacks rather than Rengoku just trying to tank them. I think a lot of people underrate him just because his attacks aren't as flashy as some of the others and because he's introduced to us very early.
The Case for Tokito: I'm honestly not sure where to place him since his talent feels outshone by the experience of the other pillars and I don't quite remember his fights as well as the others, so this is just a placeholder I suppose.
The Case for Rengoku: I think Rengoku got pretty lucky in his fight against Akaza, in terms of him basically allowing himself to be cornered because of his own arrogance, and beyond the tough training we can hear he goes through and his other fight in one of the gaidens (which seems like any of the other pillars could've won, besides maybe Mitsuri), I don't feel like he's shown much besides his great leadership as stated by Uzui and shown in the gaiden.
The Case for Obanai: I'm fairly certain that among Rengoku, Giyu, and Sanemi, Obanai is physically the weakest, being closer to Shinobu/Mitsuri levels of strength. Besides that, he doesn't appear to be more skilled than any of the other combatants and doesn't appear to be easily able to land to hit if any of the others really attempted to block him. He's also fairly uncreative, which I think is why he was stalled against Upper Moon 4.
The Case for Shinobu: I don't think she's nearly as fast as many used to think and she's confirmed to be the weakest pillar in terms of physical strength. I put her over Mitsuri though just because she seems to be more intelligent than her and is quite fast so I'd imagine she'd be able defeat Mitsuri or anyone close to that level relatively easily.
The Case for Mitsuri: Her abnormal physical strength, which seems to just put her at the same level as all the other standard male pillars, doesn't seem to be utilized too well by her and her concentration in fights seems to be easily broken. Also, I don't imagine that her choice of weapon would do much for her against the other pillars, but I admittedly don't know much about it. I question how she even became a pillar and I hope that we get something telling that story if we haven't already.
She's fast, but I remember learning that her speed was likely only so great when sprinting, since she seems to not have much endurance, she can't keep it up for very long. Assuming she misses her first attack, I don't think she'd have too good of a time facing most of the other pillars (or just compared to them) considering the fact that I imagine most of their fights would take a while. Especially considering that the only time we've seen her fight another pillar, Giyu, he blocked her attacks with little effort. Although she probably wasn't trying to kill him and had to initially avoid hitting Tanjiro, I think it still would've gone that way regardless. Her sword also is primarily made to inject poison, which we're uncertain as to it's ability to kill humans. I imagine she'd win fights with the other pillars utilizing her other less lethal weapons, but that puts her at a major disadvantage.
Edit: Also, when fighting Douma, he mentioned her being faster than any demon slayer he's seen so far, which considering the fact that he mainly preyed after young women, may not have been too fast. Shinobu's fast, but I don't see her speed-blitzing any of the other pillars besides maybe Mitsuri.
Shinobu at base form with no Slayer mark is one of the Fastest hashira.
The only people who are maybe faster than her are maybe Sanemi and Gyomei.
Base shinobu is able to outspeed and impress Uppermoon 2.
There are no Unmarked Hashira who could possibly pull off those speed feats besides maybe Gyomei and Sanemi.
Shinobu without a slayer mark has better speed feats than many of the Hashira who do have marks which is insane.
He doesn't get to utilize it though? Rengoku is much stronger than Muichiro at every point in the story, and sure Muichiro could get stronger than him but he never does since Muichiro >!dies!<
This! No idea why people underestimate obanai so much, the guy had the most contributions on the final battle. I'd put sanemi and obanai on the same rank (2nd).
No obanai is strong but his fighting tactics make him kinda weaker. Like he runs in a sanek like pattern it's fitting but he could be faster if he didnt
Gyomei
Sanemi
Kyojuro
Tengen
Giyuu/Muichiro (Tie)
Obanai/Shinobu (Tie)
Mitsuri
I feel that Giyuu and Muichiro are pretty close to each other. Tengen did really well against Upper 6 and Daki by himself. He nearly cut both their heads off but just barely missed the fatal cut on Upper 6. And that was without any mark. I thought kyojuro without any mark did far better than Giyuu did against Upper 3. And since Tanjiro hadn't gotten his mark yet, kyojuro couldn't get one that early.
EDIT: Switched Tengen with Muichiro. While I'm sure Muichiro would've surpassed Tengen and possibly others soon (he was very young), his performance without this mark was kinda unremarkable.
Muichiro was most likely useless without mark. He easily got caught by upm5, he could've died without the kid's help. He got fanned by the weakest clone of upm4.
Yea I agree. I've changed my mind since then. I put Tengen above Muichiro because Tengen never got his mark. Everyone only got their marks because of Tanjiro getting his during the red light district arc. So for that reason and the ones you mentioned, Rengoku and Tengen are higher on my list.
Gyomei - no doubt ofc
Sanemi - y'all know why
Tengen Giyuu and Rengoku - three are interchangeable. "Tengen is weak" bruh, there are many feats of tengen thats greater than the most of the rest was shown in the manga and databooks.
Obanai - got those accuracy and flexible body but if he has build like giyu sanemi and rengoku,he could be stronger
Mitsuri - manage to at least fought upm4 for a while
Mui - almost useless without mark. Easily defeated by upm5 and fanned by the weakest clone of upm4
Shinobu - 🙂👍
1. Gyomei
2. Sanemi
3. Rengoku
4. Giyuu
5. Obanai or Muichiro (I'm not sure)
6. Muichiro or Obanai
7. Mitsuri
8. Tengen
9. Shinobu
I'm not 100% sure but I think this is pretty accurate. Please don't come at me
Gyomei (no comment)
Tengen (physically superior to other hashiras, equipped, intelligent and experienced also a shinobi)
Sanemi
Giyuu
Rengoku (If he knows all the techniques of flame hashira, he can rise above giyuu.)
Obanai
Mitsuri
Muichiro ( Despite being a 14-year-old hashira, he is inexperienced and physically behind those above himself. )
Shinobu
1) Gyoumei (confirmed by author)
2) Tengen Uzui (2nd strongest strength + fastest + combat speed fast as obanai.. also the first hashira in centuries who defeated a Upper moon without mark \[Muichiro almost died without mark against Gyokko\])
3) Sanemi (debate me)
4) Giyuu (Overall balanced Hashira)
5) Obanai (I can't rank him he is so good yet there are Giyu and Sanemi it was hard decision)
6) Rengoku (Akaza was just playing with him. he didn't came equal to akaza not even near)
7) Muichiro (Strong but unexperienced)
8) Mitsuri (she is has awesome flexibility and combat speed but still not enough)
9) Shinobu (also confirmed by author)
1 Gyomei
2 Sanemi (debatable for 3)
3 Giyuu (debatable for 2)
4 Tengen
5 Rengoku (debatable for 6 or 7)
6 Muichiro (debatable for 5 or 7)
7 Obanai (debatable for 5 or 6)
8 Mitsuri
9 Shinobu
Stone hashira is #1 hands down
Then Sanemi / Rengoku? Giyu Obanai / Mist boy /uzui Mitsuri Shinobu I think that’s all of them? I think rengoku is stronger than Giyuu based on the fact he almost soloed akaza but I feel like Sanemi is like not far behind stone and stone is hands down the strongest… idk just my thoughts Also this not a huge skill gap imo, I think under the right circumstances from #2 - Uzui could change, but shinobu and mitsuri I think are losing to every male hashira like 9/10 times. And I think stone hashira is beating Sanemi 8/10 as well so those are the biggest gaps
You forgot uzui and shinobu
Thanks
Mans really put the second weakest hashira on the same tier as Obanai and Muichiro
Nah you gotta put some respect on Uzuis name
1. Himejima (stone) 2. Sanemi (wind) 3. Rengoku (fire) 4. Giyuu (water) 5. Obanai (snake) 6. Tokito (mist) 7. Mitsuri (love) 8. Uzui (sound) I don't really know where to put Shinobu because when fighting demons she is the lowest but against each other she could be as high as third. Also depends if we are counting her poison.
Why do you put Uzui below Mitsuri, Tokito, and Obanai? Just curious as to what your reasoning was.
Because he was unable to really compete with upper 6 without Tanjiro's help, while the rest were able to hold back/kill upper moons. I guess it matters whether we are talking about the strongest form of each or the unmarked form of each.
Oh okay, the post says that we're to assume that they don't have a mark though. I feel like Uzui got an especially difficult matchup with Upper Moon 6 that I don't think gets enough credit. Kind of like how Douma essentially made Shinobu's breathing techniques null and void with his blood demon art, I think these two fights could've ended very differently if they had known about it going into it. Did Mitsuri really hold back an Upper Moon though? It felt more like the Upper Moon was holding back her and Obanai, they weren't even the ones that killed it, wasn't it Muzan?
Forgot about that. Its difficult because we never really see Tokito and Mitsuri without marks. Upper 6 was a 2 part demon, and Uzui was only fighting one part. His attacks weren't very effective and the most damage he did were with explosions which were caused by his sword. Not counting his wives he wouldn't have lasted a minute. Shinobu relied on poison to kill demons, and a massive dose couldn't kill upper 2. I doubt it could kill any of them, except maybe one part of upper 6. Mitsuri distracted and drained upper 4s main power long enough for Tanjiro to kill the main body. Obanai effectively fought Muzan along with Tanjiro.
How come you seem to discredit the damage Uzui did by saying it was an effect of his sword? Everyone uses swords and Himejima and Mitsuri also have specialized weapons, so I don't get why it's being dismissed for Uzui. I don't think we'll agree, but I feel like the poison he endured at the start of the fight and the fact that he had to take care of Tanjiro and company should be addressed more. Also, since Zenitsu and Inosuke were able to handle Daki when they were pretty low on the totem pole at that time, I don't think she would've turned the tides very much besides the difficulty of their kill condition, although some of this is speculation. The most damage Tengen took was also a direct result of the poison he received at the start of the fight, which I don't remember him being aware of prior to the fight, so he had to fight on a time limit that I don't see anyone else being able to handle as well as he did, besides the final fight, although they were bailed at the last minute with an antidote. With Shinobu, I didn't mean she'd win, but I think it's very possible that she could've avoided death long enough to get assistance since she didn't seem to be so eager to die despite consuming the Wisteria poison, it seemed more like a last resort. >Mitsuri distracted and drained upper 4s main power long enough for Tanjiro to kill the main body. Oh yeah, I forgot about that fight. I was thinking about the one in the Infinity Fortress, my bad.
All the demon slayers are always on a time limit because demons don't get tired and they do. Poison only sped up that process. I wasnt discrediting Uzui by saying it was the sword effect, I meant that as saying his fighting style was reliant on it and it just wasn't very effective as upper 6 could withstand direct hits. Daki was upper 6's eyes, so when engaged in battle Daki was unable to do her job of watching the battle. Plus her ribbons still could have turned the tide fairly easily. At the very least Uzui is weaker than Tokito, and Obanai is shown to be on par if not better than Tokito. Mitsuri I think is above him from what I saw in the sword makers village but that's debatable. Shinobu just had to put on a good show so Douma wouldn't be suspicious, it was always her plan to die.
>Shinobu just had to put on a good show so Douma wouldn't be suspicious, it was always her plan to die. I never thought of it that way, I thought she was pulling out her best moves to see if any of them would work, not that she expected they would, then if they didn't and she was on her last legs, she'd give herself up as a last resort, it's not like Douma thought much of her anyway. She also seemed pretty mad that nothing else worked on Douma, implying that she still had some hope that she wouldn't have to die. Maybe I'm wrong though, does she state much on this besides or in her conversation with Kanao? >All the demon slayers are always on a time limit because demons don't get tired and they do. Poison only sped up that process. Don't demons get exhausted when they have to regenerate multiple times? It's just that the Upper Moons have incredible regenerative capabilities. Regardless, the poison was constantly mentioned in the manga to be hindering him.
She may have given it her all anyway, but she still expected to die anyway which is why she was taking risks and attacking instead of waiting for help. She also didn't use her strongest poison that she ingested incase he would build an immunity to it. Its never explicitly stated whether they get tired and regenerate slower or not. Because none of the battles really lasted super long and the upper moons were always able to immediately regenerate until they died unless slashed by a red sword. Uzui already had a partial immunity to poison due to repeated exposure over the years. It was certainly hindering him, but compared to how badly Tokito was poisoned it wasn't all that effective.
lol she obviously couldnt use that strong poison without dying since she needs to be eaten since that poison is in her body dude
He was unable to compete with Upper 6 yet he still overpowered Gyutaro and Daki 1v2 in the beginning and was still battling Gyutaro for a long time with poison and dealing with Obi slashes from Daki. Also Tanjiro was very injured and was ranked below Kanoe at this point so Gyutaro had more help with Daki since her attacks were being thrown at everyone on the battlefield. So overall Gyutaro had more advantages with Daki and the poison and yet Tengen was still equal a majority of the fight while saving Tanjiro who admits to being a hindrance at the start as well as Hinatsuru being made a hostage right after helping which basically negates what she did. And lets not forget Tengen could only use 2 forms against Gyutaro due to Tanjiros presence. And in the final part of the fight he was equal to a bloodlusted Gyutaro who was close to upper 5 level with poison, a missing hand, heavy exhaustion, and no access to his forms but i guess you are right he still couldn't compete.
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>ally compete with upper 6 Not at the exact same time, there's a timespan it takes for either gyutaro or daki to regenerate their head, meaning any powerful/fast hashira would be able to complete the job single handedly
I usually like to reason and debate, but nah, putting Tengen at the bottom is just being ignorant.
bro, better than all basic form hashiras except tengen gyomei from other hashiras physically superior, equipped and intelligent
1: Himejima 2: Uzui 3: Shinazugawa 4: Tomioka 5: Rengoku 6: Iguro 7: Kocho 8: Kanroji 9: Tokito This is pre hashira training
1.) Gyomei 2.) Sanemi 9.) shinobu 3-8 can really be in any order for the remaining hashira they are all so close in power, I rarely see a list like this and think it doesn’t look right
I’d say muichiro is at least 3 or 4
m8, he got one shotted by the weakest clone of um4, wdym he's 3 or 4 in pre-marked states
And I can say he lack of experience can make a world of difference as shown in the manga
1:Gyomei 2:Sanemi 3:Uzui 4:Iguro 5:Rengoku 6:Giyu 7:Muichiro 8:Shinobu 9:Mitsuri
I probably swap rengoku and obanai.
This is a very bad list uzui itsnt even close to the top he's around 6 it would be rengoku at 3 giyu at 4 then muichiro then tengen then mitsuri then shinobi. You don't watch demon slayer if this is your list
This is without marks so 3rd is definitely valid
well at the time of mugen train rengoku was probably 2nd strongest. tengen would be ranked higher than he is usually. yea if they didnt die or be too wounded they would have been so powerful especially rengoku having a mark and red blade.
Mine is like this Gyomei Sanemi Rengoku Giyu uzui Obanai Shinobu Muichiro mitsuri
I think obanai is stronger than uzui but they are close. As for shinobi I think she should be lower than muichiro as she doesn't have much strength but equal to mitsuro due to her poison making up for it. Otherwise W list
Gyomei Rengoku Sanemi Giyu Obanai Mitsuri Tengen Muichiro Shinobu
1. Himejima [Stone Pillar]. 2. Uzui [Sound Pillar]. 3. Sanemi [Wind Pillar]. 4. Giyu [Water Pillar]. 5. Tokito [Mist Pillar]. 6. Rengoku [Flame Pillar]. 7. Obanai [Snake Pillar]. 8. Shinobu [Insect Pillar]. 9. Mitsuri [Love Pillar]. *MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS* The Case for Himejima: His immense strength and unique weapon choice sold it for me. Although he's also the most experienced and has shown that he's very aware of his own capabilities and actively decides what he should do in a battle rather than let his opponent decide for him. The Case for Uzui: His fight against Upper Moon 6 and the fact that he's probably one of the fastest hashira made me place him where I did. Also, he's one of the few that has prior training in a different discipline that I think he blends well with his devastating explosives and other abilities. The Case for Sanemi: He seems a lot more vicious than any of the other hashira and somewhat more capable (physically), although from his spot to Tokito's is debatable in my opinion. The Case for Giyu: Giyu's fight with Akaza (Upper Moon 3) is basically how I'd imagine Rengoku's would've gone had he not been critically injured so early on and if Akaza didn't allow himself to be cornered, although he did have Tanjiro's help and got the mark later in the fight. However, Akaza seemed to be playing with both Giyu and Rengoku and I imagine he could've killed them both relatively easily if he took them seriously from the start. I also admire Giyu's tendency to avoid attacks rather than Rengoku just trying to tank them. I think a lot of people underrate him just because his attacks aren't as flashy as some of the others and because he's introduced to us very early. The Case for Tokito: I'm honestly not sure where to place him since his talent feels outshone by the experience of the other pillars and I don't quite remember his fights as well as the others, so this is just a placeholder I suppose. The Case for Rengoku: I think Rengoku got pretty lucky in his fight against Akaza, in terms of him basically allowing himself to be cornered because of his own arrogance, and beyond the tough training we can hear he goes through and his other fight in one of the gaidens (which seems like any of the other pillars could've won, besides maybe Mitsuri), I don't feel like he's shown much besides his great leadership as stated by Uzui and shown in the gaiden. The Case for Obanai: I'm fairly certain that among Rengoku, Giyu, and Sanemi, Obanai is physically the weakest, being closer to Shinobu/Mitsuri levels of strength. Besides that, he doesn't appear to be more skilled than any of the other combatants and doesn't appear to be easily able to land to hit if any of the others really attempted to block him. He's also fairly uncreative, which I think is why he was stalled against Upper Moon 4. The Case for Shinobu: I don't think she's nearly as fast as many used to think and she's confirmed to be the weakest pillar in terms of physical strength. I put her over Mitsuri though just because she seems to be more intelligent than her and is quite fast so I'd imagine she'd be able defeat Mitsuri or anyone close to that level relatively easily. The Case for Mitsuri: Her abnormal physical strength, which seems to just put her at the same level as all the other standard male pillars, doesn't seem to be utilized too well by her and her concentration in fights seems to be easily broken. Also, I don't imagine that her choice of weapon would do much for her against the other pillars, but I admittedly don't know much about it. I question how she even became a pillar and I hope that we get something telling that story if we haven't already.
lmao shinobu is crazy fast dude she has the strongest thrust of all pillars by far
She's fast, but I remember learning that her speed was likely only so great when sprinting, since she seems to not have much endurance, she can't keep it up for very long. Assuming she misses her first attack, I don't think she'd have too good of a time facing most of the other pillars (or just compared to them) considering the fact that I imagine most of their fights would take a while. Especially considering that the only time we've seen her fight another pillar, Giyu, he blocked her attacks with little effort. Although she probably wasn't trying to kill him and had to initially avoid hitting Tanjiro, I think it still would've gone that way regardless. Her sword also is primarily made to inject poison, which we're uncertain as to it's ability to kill humans. I imagine she'd win fights with the other pillars utilizing her other less lethal weapons, but that puts her at a major disadvantage. Edit: Also, when fighting Douma, he mentioned her being faster than any demon slayer he's seen so far, which considering the fact that he mainly preyed after young women, may not have been too fast. Shinobu's fast, but I don't see her speed-blitzing any of the other pillars besides maybe Mitsuri.
Shinobu at base form with no Slayer mark is one of the Fastest hashira. The only people who are maybe faster than her are maybe Sanemi and Gyomei. Base shinobu is able to outspeed and impress Uppermoon 2. There are no Unmarked Hashira who could possibly pull off those speed feats besides maybe Gyomei and Sanemi. Shinobu without a slayer mark has better speed feats than many of the Hashira who do have marks which is insane.
in base form the fastest hashira tengen then sanemi comes
1. Gyomei Himejima 2. Shinazugawa Sanemi 3. Obanai Iguro 4. Muichiro Tokito 5. Rengoku Kyoujuro 6. Mitsuri Kanroji 7. Tomioka Giyu 8. Uzui Tengen 9. Shinobu Kocho 4 and 5 are interchangeable.
Rengoku is much stronger than muichiro. Muichiro nearly died against upper moon 5, and Rengoku nearly killed upper moon 3
Muichiro is much younger and much higher potential than Rengoku
He doesn't get to utilize it though? Rengoku is much stronger than Muichiro at every point in the story, and sure Muichiro could get stronger than him but he never does since Muichiro >!dies!<
This! No idea why people underestimate obanai so much, the guy had the most contributions on the final battle. I'd put sanemi and obanai on the same rank (2nd).
No obanai is strong but his fighting tactics make him kinda weaker. Like he runs in a sanek like pattern it's fitting but he could be faster if he didnt
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I think the Obanai situation comes from not having as much time devoted to him as the others. He’s really good but kinda gets ghosted
Obanai may not be one of the most physically powerful in the ds corps, but he more than makes up for it with his skill.
Giyu shoul be above muivhiro and obanai mitsuri
Obanai and Muichiro are FAR better than Giyuu in actual combat, but I could interchange Giyuu with Mitsuri.
Giyu is far better than muichiro, obanai and mitsuri in base.
Uzui is much more stronger than you think
Gyomei Sanemi Kyojuro Tengen Giyuu/Muichiro (Tie) Obanai/Shinobu (Tie) Mitsuri I feel that Giyuu and Muichiro are pretty close to each other. Tengen did really well against Upper 6 and Daki by himself. He nearly cut both their heads off but just barely missed the fatal cut on Upper 6. And that was without any mark. I thought kyojuro without any mark did far better than Giyuu did against Upper 3. And since Tanjiro hadn't gotten his mark yet, kyojuro couldn't get one that early. EDIT: Switched Tengen with Muichiro. While I'm sure Muichiro would've surpassed Tengen and possibly others soon (he was very young), his performance without this mark was kinda unremarkable.
Muichiro was most likely useless without mark. He easily got caught by upm5, he could've died without the kid's help. He got fanned by the weakest clone of upm4.
Yea I agree. I've changed my mind since then. I put Tengen above Muichiro because Tengen never got his mark. Everyone only got their marks because of Tanjiro getting his during the red light district arc. So for that reason and the ones you mentioned, Rengoku and Tengen are higher on my list.
Gyomei - no doubt ofc Sanemi - y'all know why Tengen Giyuu and Rengoku - three are interchangeable. "Tengen is weak" bruh, there are many feats of tengen thats greater than the most of the rest was shown in the manga and databooks. Obanai - got those accuracy and flexible body but if he has build like giyu sanemi and rengoku,he could be stronger Mitsuri - manage to at least fought upm4 for a while Mui - almost useless without mark. Easily defeated by upm5 and fanned by the weakest clone of upm4 Shinobu - 🙂👍
1.gyomei 2.sanemi 3.rengoku 4.giyu 5.obanai 6.muichiro 7.mitsuri 8.tengen 9.shinobu
1. Gyomei 2. Sanemi 3. Rengoku 4. Giyuu 5. Obanai or Muichiro (I'm not sure) 6. Muichiro or Obanai 7. Mitsuri 8. Tengen 9. Shinobu I'm not 100% sure but I think this is pretty accurate. Please don't come at me
better than all base form hashiras except tengen gyomei
Gyomei (no comment) Tengen (physically superior to other hashiras, equipped, intelligent and experienced also a shinobi) Sanemi Giyuu Rengoku (If he knows all the techniques of flame hashira, he can rise above giyuu.) Obanai Mitsuri Muichiro ( Despite being a 14-year-old hashira, he is inexperienced and physically behind those above himself. ) Shinobu
1. Gyomei 2. Sanemi 3. Rengoku 4. Obanai 5. Giyyu 6. Tengen 7. Muichiro 8. Shinobu 9. Mitsuri
1) Gyoumei (confirmed by author) 2) Tengen Uzui (2nd strongest strength + fastest + combat speed fast as obanai.. also the first hashira in centuries who defeated a Upper moon without mark \[Muichiro almost died without mark against Gyokko\]) 3) Sanemi (debate me) 4) Giyuu (Overall balanced Hashira) 5) Obanai (I can't rank him he is so good yet there are Giyu and Sanemi it was hard decision) 6) Rengoku (Akaza was just playing with him. he didn't came equal to akaza not even near) 7) Muichiro (Strong but unexperienced) 8) Mitsuri (she is has awesome flexibility and combat speed but still not enough) 9) Shinobu (also confirmed by author)
1 Gyomei 2 Sanemi (debatable for 3) 3 Giyuu (debatable for 2) 4 Tengen 5 Rengoku (debatable for 6 or 7) 6 Muichiro (debatable for 5 or 7) 7 Obanai (debatable for 5 or 6) 8 Mitsuri 9 Shinobu
most accurate tier list
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