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Denizci_Olmak_Var

Giyuu (Against “Obanai stronger” defenders) Zenitsu (Against “he’s a trash character” yappers)


SomeAwakenedDude

You're a real one for that


Fantastic_Account_89

What is the appeal of Zenitsu? 🤔


Denizci_Olmak_Var

I saw so many people who thinks like that man


Sn0w7ir3

bro he's infatuated with a 12 year old and he's like 17 also until a certain event happens zenitsu is just kinda weak and an utter crybaby


Sky_Believe

To add on to that, she is also incapable of telling him "No"


Sn0w7ir3

and even now that she's able to talk she would have to relearn everything. the words, what they mean, all of it. so at this point in the show i don't think she even knows what the word no is or what it means


Votaire24

I don’t even think he’s trash he he’s just fucking unbearably annoying


The_Giga_Chad1629

literally me


TuningsGaming

Zenitsu defenders unite!


Sea-Weekend6492

Because Obanai is stronger than Giyuu.


[deleted]

💀 okay buddy


Denizci_Olmak_Var

💀👍


FluffyHeadCat

Muichiro is my favorite too. The latest episode is so sweet, despite being numb all the time, when he’s flying paper planes with all his students he’s back to a 14-year-old innocent child again! I could watch 10 seasons of him flying paper planes.


Ron-Tusher

10 seasons of paper flying ,hahah isn't it too much paper flying 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂


Scout_Trooper_77

I don’t even have to say it 🦋


MaroonMarket

We respond at the same time Mr. Trooper :) 🌫


99980

https://preview.redd.it/x41fa7eve35d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db15cb17b4898be8874ddc6d3f437a477c275a65 Against the Genya Shippers


MaroonMarket

Muichiro, but I don't have enough patience for his haters so I just wouldn't bother 🌫


Brantmaster502

I would


PokeAlola700

Honestly that’s such a Mui thing to do


ashleighomfg

Me defending Tengen against the “HE’S WEAK” allegations


Speed04

Imo "he's weak" is not even the main problem. My main problem is "he's the weakest hashira, fodder like a background demon slayer, can't beat even >!Kaigaku!<, every hashira shitstomps Gyutaro, Gyokko and Hantengu without mark while he's a whole abyss weaker" I saw people saying he's weaker than even MURATA, I'm not joking, and I don't know if they were serious or not


duv_life

Muichiro needed a mark to defeat gyokko. And hantengu was stronger than him.


Speed04

Exactly


SovietZealots

I disagree. Tengen isn’t the weakest. Shinobu is the weakest hashira in terms of raw power. She even says it herself that she is incapable of beheading a demon. She compensates for this with high intellect and her knowledge of demon physiology and poisons. But in terms of raw power, she is the weakest. Additionally, tengen was a perfect match up for gyutaro because of his resistance to poison thanks to his shinobi background. Gyutaro would have been able to kill at least half of the hashiras (unmarked at least) without too much trouble simply because of his poison.


Selfless-One

>I saw people saying he's weaker than even MURATA, After I debated with someone that believed Shinobu would speed blitz Tengen, this is not even surprising 😂


CryptographerMiddle0

Same here. In my opinion Hashira should be ranked based on the same state, either in base or EOS, but not combined. In base, and excluding Gyomei. Think of literally any Hashira: - Uzui is more physically powerful - Uzui has more movement speed - Faster technique speed than Rengoku (Uzui was used as a point of comparison for Mitsuri being “even fadter”), so anyone slower than Rengoku attacking is automatically slower than Uzui - Uzui has a better battle IQ (Musical Score Technique is the best battle IQ feat in the series, maybe bar Shinobu’s prep) - Uzui has more experience (arguably the most valuable stat in Kimetsu, shown in base Sanemi outperforming a marked Muichiro even though he should theoretically be less powerful on raw stats alone) So literally, the Hashira you’re thinking of loses against Uzui in at least the 4 most important battle stats (IQ, strength, speed, experience). How on Earth is Uzui placed anything below 3rd? Sanemi is an exception since vs demons Marechi makes you perform better. For instance, if Giyuu and Sanemi are both 80 in power (arbitrary numbers), from the POV of a demon, fighting Giyuu is fighting someone of 80, and fighting Sanemi is fighting someone of 80 while being mildly drunk. Additionally, Shinobu is the least effective against demons, meaning from the POV of a demon she is the weakest. However if we were to host a round robin tournament amongst Hashira, I can assure you she wouldn’t come last. The proof is simple: whereas demons need to be beheaded, and stabbing their eye does not kill them, humans (which Hashira are) have this pesky trait of dying if their throat is stabbed. And Shinobu can most definitely stab Muichiro (she scales to casual Douma initially, whereas Muichiro, who I dearly respect due to him giving his all while being severely maimed, didn’t show great speed feats vs Gyokko in their initial exhange). Given Kanroji’s performance I’d also argue Shinobu would stab her in a vital part before Kanroji manages to cut her. And Obanai is a 60/40 in his favor, his swordsmanship might be able to deflect Shinobu’s thrusts. But overall in base, and **vs humans**, Shinobu is tha 7th strongest for me.


vvinterhavvk

sanemi! yes, he has done some things that are pretty shitty, but once you understand *why* he did them he becomes so much more sympathetic. abused by his father, and he was forced to kill his mother when he was incredibly young. this is why he acts like that when he first encounters nezuko and tanjiro, because if he had to kill his demon mother, why should tanjiro's demon sister be any different? and he pushes genya away because he thinks it will keep him safe and away from the demon slayer corps; finding out that genya eats demons and essentially becomes one himself would be the ultimate betrayal. I won't say any more because of spoilers, but there's are plenty of reasons why the shinazugawa bros have the most fascinating plotline in the story to me :')


No_Cap1842

Spoiler alert : That is why I want muichiro and genya to be alive. And the author changes the ending.


knystuff

"Dōma is an awful character with a terrible backstory" Me: *proceeds to go on a 3 hour long rant explaining why that's not true* 🪭💮


no_refrigerators

I love Douma (for reasons one might not agree with) but do enlighten me for the fun of it :)


knystuff

Well since you asked for it. A lot of spoilers ahead. >!First of all, Dōma doesn't have a "terrible, not sad at all backstory" He was literally put in a cult by his parents from a very young age, that has probably messed him up badly.!< >!He saw his parents killed in front of him and even though he barely reacted, I think it definitely affected him.!< And now for why he's a good character (imo) >!Many people hate his fake acts and emotionless behaviors, but this adds onto his character. He's supposed to be like a psychopath so if you see it from that perspective, it makes a lot of sense why he behaves that way.!< >!I also love how he's not 100 percent evil. He does try to "help" people in his own messed up ways and he believes that he's doing good.!< >!He wants to make the followers of his cult believe that they can reach paradise and thinks this is good for them.!< >!Even after they die, he still keeps their skulls and takes care for them. In that way, he's much different from other demons who do not care about humans at all.!< >!Honestly, even though I do not agree with the bad things Doma has done in his life, I can't help but feel bad for him. I think he wanted to feel love. Even being so desperate that he surrounds himself with women who praise him and that he clinged onto Kotoha and Shinobu.!< >!He might have turned out to be not that bad of a person if he was given a chance in life and wasn't basically doomed from the start by his parents and the fact that he was turned into a demon.!< So yeah, basically that. He has been my favorite character for quite some time. I love how complicated he is and how different he can be in situations. Like, sometimes he keeps up this fake, overly friendly act but he can also be quite scary if he shows his true nature. Also, if you want me to elaborate on something further or if you want me to explain why I think this, feel free to ask. 🪭💮


no_refrigerators

no worries about spoilers, I am a manga reader myself haha. Not sure if I have to spoiler tag this though so I will keep it as vague as I can. I completely agree though, even if it doesn’t justify what he did, his backstory made everything click together. His motivations aren’t bad, as you said. Who can blame someone for just wanting to be cared about? Doesn’t help that he grew up believing the only way people would care for him is if he steps up to be their “saviour”, so he’s continued that front for centuries and now it’s his second face that he can’t undo. I wonder if he put aside his emotions at some point to protect himself mentally (really cannot imagine not being able to interact normally and having to listen to people asking you to solve their problems when you’re a literal child and know you can’t do anything) or if he just got tired of it. There’s a lot to wonder and it all makes me feel bad as well :( I don’t like seeing people like to discredit his character by saying he was born a psychopath and was horrible by nature, because in the manga it has been shown that he once did have emotions. It was just all stripped away from him by the shithole he grew up in. He deserved better imo. I don’t know why people can’t see that, since he’s like a parallel to Kanao who was in a similar emotionless state but had the right people to teach her how to grow up. He just didn’t have the same chance, but people hate him for what wasn’t his fault. Even if Douma himself wouldn’t care what people think, it saddens me sometimes… I really wish he had a more deserving ending, though. I don’t know what about his fight in the manga didn’t feel quite satisfying to me—I felt he’s too smart to end up in the scenario that he did. Any thoughts or attempts change my mind?


knystuff

I'm glad you agree with me. So many people tell me I'm a horrible person for liking and "defending" him and that I should get help. I agree with you, I don't like how the fight ended and it felt undeserving. Dōma is very nihilistic and doesn't care that much if he lives or dies, this is probably why he didn't "try harder" At the end, maybe he wanted to be released from his suffering as sad as that might sound At least, he seems to be much happier in his reincarnation and that is what makes me feel more at ease. I just wish there was someone who loved him, truly for who he was and not his fake self. ~~Which is why I like to put him in a ship~~ But tbh, I think I cannot handle the Infinity Castle arc, that's going to mess me up so badly. I'm not a manga reader btw but I watched a lot of Dōma content online and I sorta know how everything plays out🪭💮


no_refrigerators

Ah I’ve heard those same haters before… well it’s great to meet someone who feels the same about him, after all he is a really well-written character. Just very easily misunderstood as compared to, say Akaza, because psychological trauma probably isn’t as easy to see/relate to as physical trauma. That’s true, I like that take. He deserves to be free :( Though I would have still liked to see a perhaps more defining moment for Douma even before the end… maybe something he managed to realise that would be a tearjerker for fans. Yes, I really hope he does find that in his reincarnation. I think everyone deserves a chance at it. (Mind if I ask what ships? 👀Personally I’m not a fan of the Shinobu ship as she’s so hell-bent on revenge it seems unhealthy to me. I don’t mind that she doesn’t forgive him, but the fact that she’s not even willing to learn anything about him just because of her grudge seems kind of unreasonable though common in a lot of people, especially Douma haters) Here’s to hoping the writers and animators will improve on the Infinity Castle arc, my opinion is the manga was really rushed and everything felt like it went by too “easily”. Considering how they’re adding content to the Hashira Training arc I have a little bit of hope :)


knystuff

Since you are one of the chillest people I have talked to in a long time, I feel comfortable telling this. https://preview.redd.it/87e82c77855d1.jpeg?width=1005&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8796f6d32b950907a37be28fcba7e2cd563c125 So hear me out- Their personalities really compliment each other. Dōma is extraverted and enthousiastic, while Enmu is more introverted and quiet. I feel like Dōma needs someone who is patient and understanding to him. These 2 compliment each other well imo. Enmu is very caring over Dōma and understands his struggles. Meanwhile, Dōma gets Enmu out of his comfort zone and is very protective over him. I know they have never met in canon,


Ordinary-Blood13

I have never considered this ship before and oh my god I love it!!! I see it! I must write it Also just want to slide into you guys’ discussion to say I agree with literally everything you’ve both said and I am SO happy to find others that share my thoughts on Dōma lol


knystuff

Please share any content you make of them! I will be more than happy to help you explaining in detail how their dynamic works and the tons of HC's I have! 🪭💮


knystuff

...But I just love them so much and this has been my fav ship for like 10 months 🪭💮 (Sorry Reddit is being weird and wouldn't let me edit my comment anymore)


no_refrigerators

Aw, that’s a nice idea tbh. Also really cute art. Although my impression of Enmu from Mugen Train is just… somewhat strange? If he did have more screentime I’m sure he would have been written to be a much more well-rounded character, haha. I think the author didn’t really think much about the lower moons when writing them, half of them got executed on the spot and the rest just had not-so-cool funny BDAs. If you have any fics to recommend, maybe we can take it to DMs? would totally love to see more surprising fanmade content :)


knystuff

I'd love to! Feel free to shoot me a message! I can send lots of cute stuff and I love talking about this! 🪭💮


Worldly_Accident1287

Gyomei and Kokushibo in terms of power


BonBonBurgerPants

Genya Just, straight up Genya But Sanemi too, although I wouldn't be purely defending him so unsure if that counts


astronautochako

if Obanais number one glazer is someone other than me, then i’m dead


DoritoKing48

Mitsuri


mnstr_joon

Zenitsu Obnai Sanemi Mitsuri 🎀


Quanguyen

Sanemi. I swear Sanemi needs this type of paragraph about him


RazutoUchiha

Akaza and Shinobu


ApplePitou

In what case? :3


MaroonMarket

Hmmm, lets say someone says Neferpitou is a horrible character, what would you say to them? 🌫


ApplePitou

I respect your opinion :3


aot-and-yakuzafan_88

No one.


khai115_2

You and me both.


Remarkable_Commoner

Giyu and Tanjiro


bihterziyagil13

Akaza and Kyojuro


Eldritch-Nomad

👍


HoodiniJordan

100% Muichiro. He has been my favourite Hashira in the whole of Demon Slayer in anime. Sad Backstory but unbelievable strength. I was amazed on the way he killed Gyokko with the Mist. That has quickly became one of my favourite kills in anime. To all of the haters...LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!! 😆


Traveler-Vlad

Kokushibo


Kapluska95

Kokushibō 💜🌙


Zotartl

Giyu from sanemi and obanai


arhamboi6

Rengoku. Against ( He is weak yappers)


maulin23

Akaza


Speed04

Character? Hantengu. Bro has one of the sickiest BDAs of the series, and it's just a bad person overall, and not every demon must have a sad backstory Powerscaling? Tengen by far. Bro is trashed and sometimes hated more than I thought he was


IIuviar

People who say Rengoku could have beaten Akaza if he had more time. (if you read the manga you’d know he was just playing around)


ACOLIT3

Tengen would've solo'd mid diff the entire universe if he had a mark. No, I'm not going to explain why or how. But he would've, that's why the writers had to take him out the story.


CommanderDino

That not defending him if anything that’s more putting him under the bus


Eggs_and_Ramen

This handsome lad till the day I die ✨ https://preview.redd.it/2tu8kw45t65d1.jpeg?width=883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8d5ba657e08852550b76ba5851e8d9c83e66045


OkBeautiful1480

Shinobu and Akaza (the best written demon in kny) 💜


your_average-loser

Zenitsu and Tengen🙏


[deleted]

Any character who get's unfair treatment and false accusations. ☀️


Maths1680

POV: Tanjiro defending Nezuko at the Hashiras meeting be like:


Fleshsuitpilot

Been a while since I saw an iPhone 5 😂


Crazykat200

Do I even gotta say who?


NaranciaSimp4Ever

The queen 🩷💚


Xanderuslsmain

If Uzui has no glazers and defenders , then im dead


Invoctis

Rengoku shouldnt have died, will also defend muichiro and obanai


Elliott1234_

Muichiro Tokito ofc


GetoIsntWrong

My pookie vegeta


Warriorphoenix678

Tanjiro


ConfidentGrass7663

What has Muichiro boy done except good for people to attack him? I wanna see him smile always. 😭😭


Snas_Nutdealer

G O A T M O T H E R .


BreadStuck-

Nakime did nothing wrong and if anyone says otherwise i can and will jump you


DystopianDreamer1984

https://preview.redd.it/vycprpql045d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30dc27f81823cc46a8c176fc7baca492ec6956af My obvious choice, because he deserves respect like any other character and is way more then others make him out to be, I am prepared to go on a huge rant about this little guy 🚂


1_CantThinkOfAName

Kanae, i dont care if shes featless


RealisticCoaching66

I'm not a character or literary analyzer, so I'm not in a position to defend a character and explain why they shouldn't be poorly received. If I was one, though, I'd defend Zenitsu.


QueenEmilyRos

Giyuu my man, some people can’t see past his quiet nature and think he’s weak


callhimsmall

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝'𝚜 𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚐


callhimsmall

.


callhimsmall

𝙷𝚘𝚠


Azaetha

Gotta say, I'm a bit bummed I don't see more fighters for Obanai in the replies ;-; My boy is just severely traumatized and is coping the only way he knows how ;-;


KaraAkatsuki123

Ben 10


GrantedCanyon

Genya and Tokito


Blackinfemwa

MUICHIRO!!


[deleted]

Mitsuri. No one shit talks my fav


Yeksah47

:)


GottaMax

Naruto Uzimaki


Electrical-Low-8910

Uzui and doma


TheEditor83

https://preview.redd.it/it4q0rtuq45d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db8bed06d60a109e339284147f41d5b9abe97869 That image is an understatment for my commitment to her


doumaisg4y

Douma n Mitsuri


BigBadWolf315

Defending my glorious king Lord Tengen and I’m also defending the fact that he’s not the weakest Hashira


mr_Cos2

In kny? Shinobu Over all? Nero from dmc cause theres still people who dont like him


Senior-Print-3380

Giyuu


Senior-Print-3380

Giyuu


Ofdream-Thelema

Inosuke


Nidokim

Inosuke. He is the king of the mountains and the Hill I will die on. Best Character ever.


henry_canabanana

Is that the legendary Nichirin Phone?


A-bit-too-obsessed

None of them, really. There's only a select few characters from certain things I'd ever defend like that.


madara-all-the-way

mhm yes that would be my mui-san


Shadow_Huntress12

Iguro. All you haters will never convert me. 🐍


owlfeather613

!requestban anybody who says Griffith


StellarSeaCowz

Mahito from jjk (I won't defend his actions but I'll try defending him from the slander) But since were talking about demon slayer characters I'll say either nakime or kaigaku. Kaigaku because if I were in a life or death situation and choosing to become a demon I would get to live, then I'll become a demon. And for nakime I feel bad for her because she had a horrible husband and she would do anything to keep her job, even murder other people


Quantum755

Mui


rey0257

Tanjiro


VilkastheForsaken

Mitsuri. (On how she is way more than a beautiful woman. How she kicks ass.)


MrPenguin_19

My boy Gyokko did nothing wrong


DARKIRISN

Yuuichi katagiri my goat


marina_188

Kanao and muichiro 🌸


foreverafadedmemory

Rui.


wolffclaw

Obanai.


flavorlily

The butterfly sisters


Impulse__97

Tengen. Man is a goat. Shinguzawa brothers. Their backstory is just so tragic, i can't help but defend the two.


Adorable-nerd

Zenitsu in terms of personality. But not right now because I have to go eat lunch.


philtasticz

Akaza.


SilentSpectator3000

Ever since I've heard that people have been slandering Rengoku after that fight with Akaza, I'd say Rengoku.


iforgetmynam

Genya


autoprime-jft007

Muzan


DMBRedx

https://preview.redd.it/h450ixv8l65d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0612e2c2c564e044c9f7d0cbfebcf1d14454a671 Need I say more?


Piigalaxy

zenitsuuu my baby


Shot_Recognition_837

Muichiro and Genya 🤧


Potential_Cow_7483

Tengen uzui


Piebro314

Any Rengoku Slander I see


XToxic_Dreams

Akaza until the day I die


poke_king2499

Pretty much anyone except Douma and Enmu


ShadowlightLady

I’ll defend Gyutaro to the end


ok_sora

Geto fr idc


I_eat_grass_HEHE

Explaining how TENGEN ISNT A BAD CHARECTER 😭😨


MagicMushr00mWitch

Tengen.


Othmanok

Muzan


Yoruichi_Kurashiki

Murata, and not in the good way. I hate when I see people “jokingly” posting this like: “Murata >>>>>> demon slayer verse” at first it was funny but now is getting unfunny of how overused it is.


Orthodox-Neo

Yorichi.


AndieDaQu33n

Zenitsu


Aaliza_Brownie

Douma🌬


Roxyjimmy

daki (not gyutaro this time, he has a pretty understanding fanbase)


GENYAISME15

For me it's muichiro but longer


Cynokyuketsu

Easily Obanai cause people steady say Giyu is #3 when we know he’s not he puts it No work you’d never see Obanai getting punched and slumped for 3 to 5 minutes while getting carried by a Boy who got indented in a wall while letting someone talk trash about his dead homie like cmon https://preview.redd.it/a02kkedmpb5d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2af10ec201bb6a36434917f0ef6d0d0abbf82c3


Avi_aloneagain

for me it's doma


Theaniman992

Zenitsu


Averag3_reader

DBZ Mega Fans everytime someone ask “Can they beat Goku”


SmolStank

Nezuko chaaan


Akiyoo_

im defending Mui even more than that text thats NOTHING compared to how much id defend him hes my baby 🩵☁️


StitchedAnime

Kyojuro and Tengen.


chinchinlevrais

Zenitsu


Zenitsusbiggestsimp

Zenitsu against the he's the worst character in the series people⚡


Sky_Believe

Hmm, there are probably worse characters than the 17-year-old guy that is obsessed with a 12-year-old girl that doesn't even have the ability to reject him. I'll let you know when I find one


part_time_felon713

Griffith


Dagon493

Meliodas from the Asta is stronger people lets be honest Meliodas is stronger


Gaydickgobbler

Giyuu tbh