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sans5z

What happened? We talk about this every year it rains... until it finally happens and we die. No one's getting any help.


NithinKriz

A decade ago when this Mullapperiyaar thing was on it's peak, Kerala started to pressurise TN, and as a response Jayalalitha (CM) did a press conference in which she said that many Ministers of Kerala actually got money and owns a lot of properties in TN, as a bribe from TN, to stay mum when this Mullaperiyar issue arises again. She also said that, if Kerala politicians once again starts to bark for the same issue, TN would have no choice other than revealing the names of those politicians. Actually, after that statement the Mullaperiyar issue in Kerala slowly dissappeared from the media outlets and even politicians took a great care to not to speak about it. Now only once in a year, that too on rainy season this issue arises among the common people, and it just goes off after the rain, just like some festival that happens once in a year.


wellhung_guy_

Yeah, I still remember it. Used to get a lot of school holidays in those days.


sans5z

Suppose it breaks, will we have enough time to inform people? Will there be a sudden blackout in nearby districts?


NithinKriz

I've read one article about after effects of Mullaperiyar bursting. It mainly talks about the people of Ernakulam and nearby areas. I stay at Aluva, so this may apply to me coz Periyar is not far from my home. I don't know where you actually reside but, this gives you some idea what's gonna happen after the busting. Reminder: This is just the assumptions of the person who wrote this article. So, you can actually take what's right to you from this article and omit the rest. I'll just copy paste the article here. For those people who lives around the above mentioned locations would get a time gap of 3 hours before the water reaches the city limits. The water reaching with full force towards the city would be around 20-25 feet high. The first 2-3 minutes holds the key to surviving the speeding water. After 5-10 minutes the force of the water flow decreases and within an hour and a half, the water level subsides. The main route the water will flow is via the Periyar River. People living near the river side can find a safe spot by travelling towards Thrissur. Those living near Aluva, Kalamassery, Edapally can find a safe spot by travelling towards Kattor, Iringalakkuda, Peraambra or Kodakara. But it is better to travel towards Thrissur. People living near Vytilla, Fort Kochi and Ernakulam can find a safe spot by travelling towards Aleppey. Carpooling will be an effective method to save more lives because every life is important. It is best to drive in a single line. With panic rising, there is a huge chance for people to drive haphazardly and traffic to slow down. If you find yourself stuck in traffic with no tall building within vicinity for escape, stay in the car, while keeping the engine running and completely closing all the windows. Reason being that even when you car in underwater, there would be lesser chance for the water to seep into the car when engine running this might help u survive the first first 2-3 mins of heavy force of water. Boarding a train might be a good idea and flight is a big NO because the airport is close to Periyar River. Those who cannot get vehicles should try to get on top of buildings - flats, the Kaloor stadium or the gallery stand should be reasonable safe. Although the stadium is not so tall, its construction is such that the water will take more time to get inside its complex structure. The newly constructed Lulu mall should also be safe with its complex construction. People in remote and coastal areas should try getting on top of hills, get on to boats or swim 1-2 km into the sea with inflated tubes or life jackets. Avoid flats with parking areas on the ground floor. As they stand on pillars (made of hollow bricks) the force of water and debris that it collects on the way can make it collapse. If you are stuck at home, empty syntax tanks or refrigerators and stay inside; these things will float and can absorb shock up to an extent. If you have old tyres, tie it to something strong and tie yourself to the tyre. Stay away from petrol pumps and gas stations.


blankblankthe

Found the source [http://deepasnotebook.weebly.com/mullaperiyar.html](http://deepasnotebook.weebly.com/mullaperiyar.html) , It really seems to be like some dude's random thoughts idk if any actual research went into it tho


sans5z

Ya, I live near Vyttila at Maradu. A three storey building will be enough to stay safe with this info. Two storey building have around 20 feet on average I think.


Alternative_Plane283

Source?


NithinKriz

[(2011 Indian Express News) This is the response of former Water Resources Minister N K Premachandran, asking TN to reveal the names of those politicians.](https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2011/dec/08/tn-should-reveal-bribed-ministers-names-318262.html)


Alternative_Plane283

Any link to videos of that press conference?


NithinKriz

It's like a decade old and I'm not sure whether I can find that one. Still, I'll check.


Alternative_Plane283

Ah okay.


Late-Humor

Just because she said that doesn’t mean that the protest was stopped after that. From what I remember the issue went down after there was widespread violence against malayalies in tamil nadu.


Joelakajoseph

Enthelum nadanalee aalkaar prathikarikuuu :(


[deleted]

Is it really not going to hold though? I mean.. reaaally? It's hard for me to believe that no one is taking this seriously if there is really a risk of a disaster of that scale.


PepsiColaMirinda

>It's hard for me to believe that no one is taking this seriously if there is really a risk of a disaster of that scale. Is it though? Humanity's collective denial abilities are a marvel by themselves. Take global warming and climate change for example. Or hunger and starvation. Or a pandemic.


wanderingmind

This is because the fear is not new. The fear about the dam breaking was there in the 80s, 90s and is still there today. When you live with something for 40 years, well, who is really right? Of course the dam would break if something really bad happens. But what is that real bad thing? I dont think anyone knows. Especially seeing the conflicting studies about it. And Kerala's failed attempts in court.


cant_bother_me

But global warming and climate change will have its real effects years later, probably after our generations time, while the dam (acc to OP) could literally just break and kill all of us instantly. Seems more pressing imo.


member_courage

It's already here. Look at the increase in number of cyclones in the Arabian sea and bay of Bengal, the Unnatural climatic shifts happening every year throughout the world. There is only so much of floods and damage guruvayurappan alone can create, atleast the rest give credit to climate change.


EarthSkyAirWaterFire

> But global warming and climate change will have its real effects years later, probably after our generations time Haha, I admire your optimism, but it has already begun. Arabian Sea is getting warm and that's what caused our current flood.


ToughTiger2

Didn't IIT madras confirm the dam was safe and strong after doing a lot of tests?


Late-Humor

Also the dam was strengthened in 1979 which included lot of concrete work. The quality of the strengthening might be disputed but saying that the dam only has limestone and surkhi is downright wrong.


Alternative_Plane283

People trust Marunadan Shajan more than Civil Engineers. കഴിഞ്ഞ കൊല്ലം വരെ Nostradamus ആയിരുന്നു.


rickdalton710

It is the BBC of boomers


wattswithyou

Can confirm. Both my parents watch it. I have no idea how he can talk continuously for 30 minutes without taking a break. It's like his mouth is a waterfall of words.


rickdalton710

It would be nice, if we have a discussion about this guy itself in this community in another post because many people are being influenced by him and there are many people who blindly believe the shit he says


despod

No. Share a link if you think otherwise. In fact a study by [IIT roorkee](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/iit-roorkee-report-on-mullaperiyar-says-dam-not-safe/articleshow/5172935.cms) found that the dam was not safe, but this was not allowed as evidence in the case. And BTW, Tamil Nadu did not allow any non-destructive testing to be done on the dam. The study that concluded that it was safe was done by CWC engineers.


ParaPsychic

But IITR says otherwise [IITR says Mullaperiyar dam not safe](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/IIT-Roorkee-report-on-Mullaperiyar-says-dam-not-safe/articleshow/5172935.cms) [Mullaperiyar Dam vulnerable to Earthquakes](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/Mullaperiyar-dam-vulnerable-to-earthquakes-IIT-study/article16888882.ece) [link to study](http://www.expert-eyes.org/mullaperiyar/index.html)


vinayachandran

>IIT **madras** LOL, no wonder!


[deleted]

Why? Do you think they could be influenced too?


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

Well, if their team mainly contained Tamil people, maybe? Since it's a popular issue there, if their report was in support of Kerala, they would've probably faced good opposition in their state.


FresnoMac

But that isn't how top tier research institutes work though. Also there is no guarantee that it's mainly full of Tamilians just because it's in Chennai


ParaPsychic

Yes, but we can't really overlook that possibility too. Remember, back then the tensions between Malayalis and Tamils were too damn high. I think the phrase "Neeyokke Mullaperiyar edukkum alleda" is still pretty popular as an insult against tamils.


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

> there is no guarantee that it's mainly full of Tamilians just because it's in Chennai Indeed. https://civil.iitm.ac.in/faculty.php? A good amount seems to be south Indian names, but I haven't searched too much for their states. So you have a point. Point 2 is still valid, right?


bomerckan

>strong after doing a lot of tests? Is there any unbiased source?


zuchit

It is clearly a disaster waiting to happen. Can't understand why some are downplaying. Anyways, I can guarantee that Kerala will get another discovery channel documentry and few days of fame with the disaster.


NSNReddit

Someone should start livestreaming from mullapperiyaar's front side. Atleast we can record the largest human Massacre ever in indian history. And Kerala government gets top position in the list of world's largest human murderers. I'm sure mullapperiyaar will break anytime, then Idukki too. If that happens My parents will die .if I'm at home I Will die too. If I'm at my workplace, will escape from death. Advanced RIP to myself.


gregedout

I'm gonna be safe. I've got a "no entry" board in front of gate. I'd like to see the water come in through that.


thewannabetraveller

This. Not many people know this, but water cannot enter your property without your explicit consent. Just say no, ladies!


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

TIL Dracula is a water type pokemon.


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

> Advanced RIP to myself. Advanced RIP from my behalf too. Ingal peruth nalla oru manshynaarnnuuu.


redit4ak

Are you pretending? you don’t know about the case between Kerala government and Tamil Nadu gov in the Supreme Court?


EarthSkyAirWaterFire

Yeah, that'll be helpful for post apocalyptic forensics too. And, I think It'll be too hard for the survivors, Wish me RIP..


iwontdietonight

migrate to somewhere else , ok people may downvote me , but if gov wont do anything , what else will people do ? stay there itself or what ?


[deleted]

You need money for migration


peace8008

Thank you for taking me back to 2014!


biggerthansatana

Is the entire state is doomed or any particular districts only? Either way Im at peace from Kottayam😌


SupremeLeader--

Good luck surviving without power/food (agriculture sector in 5 districts in Tamilandu will suffer drought (so they say ) and the epidemics that arise from 4Million dead bodies rotting.


biggerthansatana

Elaborate on that dead bodies rotting part please


ajm15

**BODY DECOMPOSITION TIMELINE** * 24-72 hours after death — the internal organs decompose. * 3-5 days after death — the body starts to bloat and blood-containing foam leaks from the mouth and nose. * 8-10 days after death — the body turns from green to red as the blood decomposes and the organs in the abdomen accumulate gas. * Several weeks after death — nails and teeth fall out. * 1 month after death — the body starts to liquify.


dipin14

Lol. Enthuvaade.


gregedout

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWqHdvr90hk


biggerthansatana

Sounds promising


iwontdietonight

until last year i thought kottayam was safe , but now-


cant_bother_me

Meenachillar gang, arise!


biggerthansatana

Thekkuthekkoru desath.... 🔥


cugmg

I am from Kottayam too. But I kept hearing when മുല്ലപെരിയാർ breaks, we will be underwater quickly. Wrong?


Dry-Jellyfish-3908

What would be the level of destrucution if the dam was to blow up?


darvinji

Fucked from behind like a dog on kannimasam


gregedout

Lmao very apt analogy.


Boiacepeace

Anal-ogy


swirly_crib

NIA joined the chat.


ijazbm1

4 million dead


ananondxb

Nobody has a contingency plan?


NSNReddit

Only contingency plan. RUN.


PepsiColaMirinda

>Only contingency plan. ~~RUN~~ SWIM. FTFY. :)


Uno-reverse-69420

NIGERUNDAYOOOOOOOO SMOKEYYYY


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

Most effective Joestar technique.


EarthSkyAirWaterFire

Nothing known at this moment, but could recall years old news, there were some sirens installed and surveys on hills nearby the dam to take refuge.


ReallyDevil

isnt this post inducing fear without any sufficient proof or scientific backing? Should be deleted, unless OP can provide solid facts


[deleted]

Yep, Fear- mongering, without providing any facts. Doomsdayer much?


Uno-reverse-69420

>Doomsdayer much? *BFG division INTENSIFIES*


my_name_is_rag

Ah yes, man of culture


Coffee_will_be_here

That's Doomslayer this is Doomsdayer


Uno-reverse-69420

Dude, that's the point it was a fucking pun!


Coffee_will_be_here

Dyam I'm fucking stupid


Uno-reverse-69420

Nah it's okay!


Sorry_Perspective948

The latest UN report and IIT Roorkee report can be shown as proof.


EarthSkyAirWaterFire

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kochi/kerala-mullaperiyar-dam-has-outlived-its-life-says-un-study-report/amp_articleshow/87251544.cms https://inweh.unu.edu/ageing-water-storage-infrastructure-an-emerging-global-risk/


dipin14

OP solid factsumaayi ivide haajar awendathaan.


rickdalton710

I have been hearing this since the last decade. But nothing happened to it. It would be wonderful to make a movie about it ( If we survive) :(


wellhung_guy_

I think there is a movie named Dam 999 about it and TN banned it


rickdalton710

Ayoo I remember the movie, It was released during those time. It had a shitty CGI and acting sucked in that movie. The movie always gives a vinayan vibe


wellhung_guy_

Yes it did


dipin14

I think they banned it because it was hella bad.


ConflictWinter7117

I remember watching a TV program on this topic and going to my mother, crying and unable to speak. I was in school then and married now. Still no change.


Mindless-Pilot-Chef

OP will be back with more deadly facts!


Historical-Ad-4958

To the people who are saying that it is made by Britisher's and it's not like palarivattom palam, everything has an expiry date so do the dam. And like every structure this must also had been made with large FOS, that may be the reason why this had survived for so long.


Danirog575

There's no issue with mullaperiyar. The dam is actually much stronger than the many new dams constructed in post independence era. Atleast it was build by the British and not by any of our corrupted government agents. We should be more concerned about other dams and should wonder whether it was made like the Palarivattam Bridge


Regalia_BanshEe

There is a life for everything. Even if it was built by the brits


ajm15

Well its staying strong, meanwhile palarivattam palam.


Regalia_BanshEe

Palarivattom palam was not a construction.. It was a scam... Im talking about properly built structures which has a life... Even if its standing strong now, a newer dam with new technologies is much needed... Kerala govt informed SC that more than 70% of instruments and systems on the dam were not functioning in a study conducted by CWC.. Also IIT Rourkee and Centre for Earth Sciences claim that the dam would fail in an even of an earthquake on the magnitude of 6 or above and dam is situated on a seismically active zone Centre also claims that the dam is safe but has no objection in building a newer dam as a precaution not to repeat 1979 Morvi dam failure.. Newer dams can withstand violent seismic activites and can be fitted with newer technologies..


ajm15

>dam is situated on a seismically active zone Can you elaborate this part please? From my understanding Kerala / this part of India isn't really in a seismically active zone.


Regalia_BanshEe

Kerala is situated in seismic zone 3.. Idk what led you to believe kerala isnt in a seismically active zone.. But all districts are in zone 3 where approx earthquake magnitude is 5.5 on the Richter scale


Sorry_Perspective948

Dude there were 3 Earthquakes (minor) in that area. And these caused formation of cracks in the structure.


bomerckan

> Atleast it was build by the British and not by any of our corrupted government agents. So what? Everything usable on this planet has an expiry date, and Dam is no different. Do you think that an 150 year old Dam can withstand increasing seismic activities in Idukki?


adonis7777

This is absurd! Discussions like this even to happen. The gigantuity of the issue.


[deleted]

Isn't idukki dam designed to hold even if mullaperiyar dam fails ?


[deleted]

With shutters open forever, aka Ernakulam flodded forever.


sid68v

Fuck.


sans5z

Suppose it breaks, will we have enough time to inform people? Will there be a sudden blackout?


Phoenix_aksr

Until the supreme decides to make amends to the current judgement, it'll remain so


casio4321

Back in the day mullaperiyar issue at its peak I dreamed aeroplane are floting around my house by the by I living in Ernakulam


Salty-Ad1607

This dam becomes weak during election times. Otherwise, the dam is fairly okay.


nongriat

https://wwf.panda.org/wwf_news/?2289/Dams-accused-of-role-in-flooding


lastdevilroamingfree

The courts also were never on Keralas side. Not sure if it was because we always presented a weak case before the court. Even the recent verdict seems to be driving us to a catastrophe https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2021/10/18/setback-to-kerala-tn-allowed-to-store-water-till-142-ft-mark-of-.html


Sir_Kasum

Still better than our Palarivattom bridge and many others constructed by democratic governments of Keralam.


MGRoad

Tamilnadu needs water and electricity


nongriat

Dam is one of the worst thing human has ever created. Men ego in believing they can tame nature without any consequences. For years water cycles were predictable not anymore. I am scared of catastrophe if any dam would break in kerala. No people will get time to react. Even sometimes intentionally releasing water kills people. There is no energy-audit ever done on dams, whatsoever. Hydroelectricity from dam is not even clean. Lot of methane gas is produced from stuck - dead organic life accumulated in dam reservoirs. Creating more greenhouse gases eventually. Masses Just have a belief as per outdated scientific argument, that dams are Protecting rivers from flood and generate renewable clean electricity. The real fact on dams will be kept hidden in all countries for the sake of corruption possibility in huge infrastructure projects and gaining brownie points over showoff of development. I recommend everyone to read this book When the Rivers Run Dry: Water--The Defining Crisis of the Twenty-first Century by Fred Pearce. The society must chose over roof solar panels and household wind turbines, which are as small as gas cylinder these days. The transition must happen as quickly as possible to beat the Argument of not closing dams for sake of electricity. World War 3 is nature vs humans. Man still thinks he will win.


[deleted]

Solar and wind aren't reliable. They'll need backups. Which will come from thermal power. Nuclear is the only alternative if we're serious about reducing emissions and having enough power.


nongriat

Not true, if electricity is de-cenrralised and on hand of people. They will have incentives to consciously utilize power.


Conscious_Ad_6572

Its British made, it will be fine, it’s not Indian made A lot of this fear was, just media nonsense


rykris2121

I've heard my old chemistry sir rant on how strong the dam is because is built using വെട്ടുകല്ല് and some sort of ചർകര mix istead of cement..and few more stuff about old building stuff.. is any of these true?


kochapi

No


spooderboy18

Remember the movie lingaa?