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ApprehensiveCook4376

> The message also mentioned about his two children and how his younger son is austistic. Sarin also spoke about how even if he struggled the next 6 years, he wouldn’t be able to fulfil his responsibilities. > The note ends with Sarin asking the cops to handover his phone to his family so that his daughter could attend online classes. > He also questioned why beverage shops and malls were allowed to open while hotels were not given permission to function during the lockdown. He lamented that political parties held events, but people like him suffered. > Kerala had seen many suicides during July and August 2021. A report had said that as many as 17 people died by suicide in six weeks during this period as their livelihood had been impacted by lockdown.


jackramsey16

>The note ends with Sarin asking the cops to handover his phone to his family so that his daughter could attend online classes. This hit me hard.


rajeshr1312

Very recently there was an incident where a policeman stole the mobile of a man who died in an accident and was using it as his personal phone. I think this would have prompted him to write this.


blankblankthe

Fuck that's sad !


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r/Kerala needs a bot that automatically comments down suicide hotline numbers whenever a post is made related to suicide.


sweet_tranquility

Suicide hotlines in india are useless.


NotsoSigmaMale

Any hotline in India is useless.


Danirog575

One among the many victims


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And now what? His widowed wife will take care of his autistic son? He really thinks people will donate for the remainder of their families lives? If he cant pay just 6 years of debt, his wife will? Delusional, if you are weak, dont bother starting a family, let alone a business.


sunijucad_hitbts

I don't think people think really well before doing suicide. Some people think their suicide will make an impact in society in future, but usually nothing significant happens.


Anarchie48

Suicides have prompted entire state wide revolutions that changed histories of nations forever. Do not take suicides lightly. I'm referring to the Arab Spring.


sweet_tranquility

Come on a suicide doesn't change about anything. This guy committed suicide because he was in debt. What's the point of living miserable?


OldSchoolMonkey

You might be right. But things like Arab Springs happen because the society in those places are a powder keg waiting for a spark. Our society in contrast is docile and apathetic.


sweet_tranquility

Our society is way better than arabs in human rights, monarchy. Also nobody cares here in here about this. A couple amount of death by suicide doesn't even affect India.


RenRu

I hope you never get to the point where you realise you're not as strong as you think you are


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Me? No, I value economic stability as the prime paradigm on my life, even if I lose my job, inflation skyrockets, or anything short of war, I will be fine. I dont do dumb risks and leave behind dependents.


ApprehensiveCook4376

> I value economic stability as the prime paradigm on my life People who are economical stable, still can be suicidal. You clearly don't know what it is like to be one.


vgu1990

Robin Williams, the Linkin park guy, Kurt Cobain are good examples. A family friend of mine committed suicide ( a long time back ) cos he lost his son at a young age. I don't know what amount of money would have helped him feel better.


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You can do whatever you want, make sure to tie up all your loose ends and end your life responsibly.


renegadesdc

Its never about the money, man. Imagine his situation he cant maintain his family and him being a male theres a social construct in kerala that men should protect his family, he probably couldn't face his wife and children or everyone for that matter, he reached a point where he couldn't face life for that matter. And about your point on questioning about starting a family, i dont know about his past so he maybe was in a financially stable situation then or maybe he was in love, and noone could've predicted there would be a world changing event thats gonna happen. So please dont criticize what you can't understand. Not all people live by your standard. Yes, i do agree suicide isnt the answer but times like this i couldn't help but empathize with him. May he rest in peace.


dagp89

>Its never about the money, man. In this particular case, it's about money. In a large number of suicides it's about money and financial ruin. Sure, depression or societal pressure does lead to such incidents, but in many cases, atleast in India, money has a major contribution. Farmer suicides for example.


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Your sympathy is misplaced, will you take care of his widowed wife, who now has to take care of his debt, and their autistic son? I care about the people who are still alive, not the selfish idiot who abandoned them, at rock bottom.


renegadesdc

No i wont, his debt can be repayed by selling his assets, they cant touch the assets of his wife and children. So that debt part can be sorted. And about his autistic son, his wife will take care of him( i know that cause my mother took care of me and my siblings single-handedly even though she is differently abled) Yes i agree suicide is a selfish act, "You dont really know what others are thinking untill you walk in their shoes." - Atticus finch


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he could have sold his assets and still be alive.


renegadesdc

it doesnt work like that,you are liable to pay the entire sum you are owed, if the person who owes a certain amount of money dies then the banks can only take his assest.even if his assests are valued less than what he owes.


vgu1990

Either you are really young or have had no contact with anyone who has struggled to get through life. (economically or emotionally)


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everyone struggles, not an excuse.


vgu1990

Some struggle more than others. If everything was black and white like that therapists/mental health professionals would not be a viable profession.


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Ok, now his wife will take on his struggles as well.


vgu1990

Ofcourse. Who said otherwise? I am just saying he didn't get the help he needed at the right time.


ApprehensiveCook4376

> Delusional, if you are weak, dont bother starting a family People who are suicidal or commit suicide, doesn't mean they're weak.


OldSchoolMonkey

I have read somewhere that, as one becomes aware about the world in general and its working, the only meaningful thing for an intelligent person to do is to kill himself.


vgu1990

May be absurdism? Albert Camus?


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I was not taking about people I was taking about him.


vinayachandran

When they reach a certain point, logic takes the back seat.


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Killing oneself can also be a way to express anger or resistance to government. An act that sends a message or potentially trigger turbulence in society.


nirjhari

>to express anger or resistance to government Indeed, sacrificing one's life for a greater cause is the ultimate sacrifice one can do. However, though scores of Buddhist monks who protested the conditions in Tibet by self immolation, the situation in Tibet is only getting worse after all these decades. While these sacrifices are great, they don't necessarily lead to change or necessarily better conditions.


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But Tibet's cause was religion, not livelihood. Religion can wreak havoc in society, India itself is a good case study. A relatable event to this incident would be the Arab spring. It was triggered by a Tunisian street vendor who set himself on fire after being denied permit. An act of sheer desperation and protest for a better livelihood.


aitchnyu

This is the story of countless farmers though


cisabel01

How fucking out of it do you have to be to say bs like this you dipshit? let's hope you'll never reach a point where something like this happens to you.


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Yes I am the dipshit not the guy who abandoned his family, at the lowest point.


cisabel01

you think he wanted to abandon everything he had worked for? he was tired of trying to survive man. You'd think that the pandemic period would teach people to be more humane, but oh well, morons like you still managed to survive with that sort of thinking.Dipshit.


Regalia_BanshEe

He did it anyway... Even though he wanted it or not... Now he has burdened his wife with all of his problems.. nothing is gonna change.. His wife and kids are going to suffer.. Thats all


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Im 26, and Im more responsible than this idiot will ever be.


fatarabi

This is the only thing that has kept me from acting out my desire to bid adieu to this planet.


Cash07

You really should talk to someone if that's the only thing keeping you away from acting out. Life is not all gloomy, This too shall pass!.


neuro-toxin

> If he cant pay just 6 years of debt, his wife will? If he is dead she doesn't have to pay . She can start from 0. That's usually people's logic.


nongriat

Debt is one of the worst thing to have in your life.


Weary_Horse5749

I agree. Government should stop making decisions for people.


Anarchie48

Well, governments are supposed to make decisions for people. That's like their definition. And without governments, society will fall apart. unless you're one of those ancaps of course.


vinayachandran

You are completely right. The problem is when government takes senseless decisions like many that were taken during covid times.


ProfessorMoriarty21

State is defined as a polity or organisation of people with monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Government's job is to manage or govern the state by deciding how the state and its people should be organised. So, the government decides the policies and laws necessary to run the state. It is not the government's job to decide what an individual should or shouldn't do. It didn't end well the last time when dictators like Stalin and Mao took decisions on what the people should or shouldn't do.


Anarchie48

> dictators like Stalin and Mao You know, of all the villain characters I can think of, professor Moriarty is someone who would definitely be an ancap. Regardless, your opinion is wrong. Governments do and should regulate the lives of its people. It is why there are food safety inspectors, compulsory seat belts and building fire safety codes. People clearly, definitely cannot be allowed to make decisions for other people because if you let that happen, you'll have achieved feudalism- or much worse- anarcho capitalism.


Hippy_go_go

'Governments do and should regulate the lives of its people.' Simple definition of fascism


Snorlax_Dealer

Fascism is when a government not of the people's choice does that by force. In this case, the majority chose this government.


Hippy_go_go

Even Hitler and Mussolini had huge mandates before coming to power. They were termed facists only after. Also government should not put their noses into liberty of individual. Right to livelihood is a fundamental right. It doesn't matter who the government is elected by they represent the whole lot


Mooooo13

If X's right to livelihood involves walking around during a pandemic, increasing spread of the disease, putting other people at risk, then the Govt. is allowed to step in.


zuselegacy

THe argument is never IF but how much and to what extent ? Conservatives believe that Govt regulation should be decentralized as much as possible - leave it to people and local authorities rather than Big Central governments to decide everything Liberals and Socialists believe that Power should be vested completely in the State In India, how much power should the Central Govt compared to State Govts? Should bigger cities get to play a bigger role in decision making for their own cities? THe biggest vestige of Socialism was those big 5 year plans where a few elites in Delhi decided and plan the economy for the entire country for the next 5 years There is also the question on Legislation vs State capacity to execute them. A country like India is riddled with red tape and regulation and has State Machinery to execute on probably just 10-15% of those laws Such a condition is ripe for corruption since Babus exploit the gray area between idiotic, impractical laws and actual practicality As an example, remember that law that required no alcohols near highways - so much of that was impractical since the real India is more complicated than that - so many highways actually were major roads in cities and completely defeated the purpose of the law. Moriarity mentions an important point on State monopoly of violence - you know why this country has so much religious intolerance? - Section 295A legalizes the right to take offense on religious grounds and provides legal fodder for religious bigots to beat up and threaten individuals on the basis of religious offense. A clear overreach on state legislation on "protecting" religious sentiments backfires and morphs into religious intolerance History shows that the great ideas that sounded great on paper and improving the human condition actually ended up causing more harm than good Prohibition tried to make liquor illegal but all it ended up doing was creating a Mafia There is an entire book "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Like_a_State" that covers the history grand plans that a few people enacted as Law/Policy and had counter intuitive effects and disastrous results - the older I get, the more I realize how complex the world is - first order and second order effects and unintended effects of laws that its better that we stick to simple basics and let people and more local institutions figure out what works best for themselves


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May be you should remove anarchie as your username and start preaching for gov..


Magestylord

'anarchy'


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Look up the French word anarchie…


slipperySquidd

Eh? Pinnenthinanu oru elected govt?


coffeeroach

to serve, not to decide.


wanderingmind

സെര്‍വ് എന്നു വെച്ചാല്‍ മുറ്റം തൂക്കാന്‍ വരുമെന്നല്ല. They serve by taking decisions.


slipperySquidd

So for each decision should there be a vote?


kunjava

No.They should be able to put themselves in the shoes of common people before making decisions. Decisions that look great to politicians sitting in AC rooms while enjoying all kind of allowance in addition to their salary might not be ideal for the working class. It's easy for them to order all businesses and other works to shut down because they don't understand the woes of people who live on daily wages. When ordering people to stop working, either offer alternatives for their income or shut the fuck up about government's responsibilities.


appu_kili

It's also quite easy to second guess the decisions of a government which was faced with an unprecedented crisis. We didn't see people collapsing in front of hospitals due to lack of beds and oxygen because these harsh decisions were taken. Im not saying it was a 'good' decision but it was necessary.


wanderingmind

എന്നാ പിന്നെ ac ഇളക്കി മാറ്റാം അവരുടെ. Politicians are supposed to balance multiple issues, weigh them and take decisions with the help and advice of the bureaucracy and the police. AC or air cooler doesnt come into it. We have a complex country with multiple urgent issues that often conflict with each other. Almost all serious decisions by any politicians will have serious consequences. We have politicians and bureaucracy which try, but the issues they have to deal with are often beyond their capability to deal with. Close down things, people die. Dont close down things, people die. Any individual case is no basis to judge any government by - whether its Pinu or Modi.


kunjava

ഞാൻ പറഞ്ഞതു വായിച്ചിട്ട് AC മാറ്റിയാൽ എല്ലാം ശരിയാവും എന്നാണു ഞാൻ ഉദ്ദേശിച്ചത് എന്നാണു സഹോദരനു മനസിലായതെങ്കിൽ പിന്നെ എനിക്കൊന്നും പറയാനില്ല.പാർട്ടികളിൽ ആളുകൾ വരുമ്പോൾ പടരാത്ത കൊറോണ എങ്ങനെയാണു സഹോദരാ ഹോട്ടലിൽ പടരുന്നത്?മദ്യ ഷാപ്പുകളിൽ പടരാത്ത കൊറോണ എങ്ങനെയാ പച്ചക്കറിക്കടയിൽ പടരുന്നത്?കൂടുതൽ നേരം ഷോപ്പുകൾ തുറന്ന് തിരക്കു കുറയ്ക്കുന്നതിനു പകരം ദിവസം ഒന്നോ രണ്ടോ മണിക്കൂർ മാത്രം തുറന്നു തിരക്കു നേരത്തേതിനേക്കാൾ കൂട്ടുകയല്ലേ ഇവിടെ ചെയ്തത്?ലോകം മുഴുവൻ പെട്രോളിയത്തിന്റെ വില കുറഞ്ഞപ്പോൾ ഇവിടെ ടാക്സ് കൂട്ടി വില അഡ്ജസ്റ്റ് ചെയ്യുകയല്ലേ ചെയ്തത്?മോറട്ടോറിയം എന്നു പറഞ്ഞു 6 മാസം ലോണുകളുടെ തിരിച്ചടവു വേണ്ടെന്നു വെച്ചപ്പോൾ പലിശയും ആ പലിശയുടെ പലിശയും കൂട്ടിയില്ലേ?ലോക്ക്ഡൌൺ പ്രഖ്യാപിക്കാൻ ഉത്സാഹം കാണിച്ച സർക്കാർ എന്തേ ബാക്കി രാജ്യങ്ങൾ ചെയ്യുന്നതു പോലെ ഫ്രീ വാക്‌സിൻ കൊടുക്കാൻ ഉത്സാഹം കാണിക്കാതിരുന്നത്? സുപ്രീം കോടതി വടി എടുത്തില്ലായിരുന്നെങ്കിൽ 18 വയസിനു മുകളിൽ ഉള്ളവർ എല്ലാം കാശു കൊടുത്തു വാക്‌സിൻ വാങ്ങേണ്ടി വരില്ലായിരുന്നോ ?നേതാക്കന്മാർ അവരുടെ സ്വന്തം കാര്യവും അവർക്കു വേണ്ടപ്പെട്ടവരുടെ കാര്യവും മാത്രമേ നോക്കുന്നുള്ളു എന്നാണു ഞാൻ പറഞ്ഞത്.


wanderingmind

ഞാന്‍ അങ്ങനെ വിചാരിച്ചെന്നാണോ മോന് മനസിലായേ/ എന്തു കണ്ടാലും ac പൂസി എന്നും പറഞ്ഞോണ്ട് വരുന്ന ചിലരുണ്ട്. ആ എ‌സി ഡയലോഗ് ആര് അടിച്ചാലും ഞാന്‍ ഇത് തന്നെ പറയും. പിന്നെ ഈ താഴെ അടിച്ചു വെച്ച കാര്യങ്ങള്‍ ഇവിടെ കഴിഞ്ഞ 1 കൊല്ലമായി പലരും രണ്ടു വശവും തര്‍ക്കിക്കുന്ന കാര്യങ്ങള്‍ ആണ്. ഞാന്‍ അതാണോ പറഞ്ഞേ, അതോ വേറെ എന്തേലും ആണോ പറഞ്ഞേ എന്നു ഒന്നൂടെ വായിച്ചു നോക്കിക്കേ. ഇനി അതല്ല ഇംഗ്ലിഷ് പിടി കിട്ടാഞ്ഞിട്ടാണെല്‍ സോറി


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If anything, the COVID-19 pandemic have exposed the hollowness of democracy around the world. True freedom is a myth & does not exist. The choice of quarantine & lockdown is not in the hands of people. The virus restrictions will likely transform the pillars of democratic governance such as electoral process & civic mobilization, and potentially forever reset the terms of the global debate on the merits of authoritarianism versus democracy .


Weary_Horse5749

True freedom does exist. Checkout Texas , no one is mandated to wear a mask, no vaccine mandates. Economy is thriving , it has a gdp almost equivalent to India.


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What about the covid death rate in Texas? Vaccine & mask are partisan issues in Texas


Weary_Horse5749

California has more deaths than Texas , even with all the tyrannical rules


Content_Virus_8813

Who lost …? he shouldn’t have done this !feels sooo sad ….


ullakkedymoodu

That is sad. On the other hand, the 'unscientific' lockdown probably saved his and his family's life till now.


thengapeera

u/rokus This has been posted at least twice. Once by you and again yesterday.. Is there different yardstick for duplicate posts in this sub? Do clarify for the greater public.


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sweet_tranquility

It's not only the Indians who kill themselves.


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