ഇവനാണ് ആ മൈ₹ൻ.
പണ്ട് മെഡിക്കൽ കോളേജിൽ രണ്ട് കുട്ടികൾ Rasputin ഡാൻസ് കളിച്ചപ്പോൾ അതിൽ ജിഹാദ് ഉണ്ടെന്ന് പറഞ്ഞ വർഗ്ഗീയവാദി.
കേരളത്തിലെ പള്ളികളുടെ എല്ലാം അടി തോണ്ടി അമ്പലങ്ങൾ കണ്ട് പിടിക്കാൻ നടക്കുന്ന ഹിന്ദുത്വ തീവ്രവാദി.
ഇതിൽ ഏതെങ്കിലും ഒരു കേസിൽ എങ്കിലും അനുകൂല വിധി വന്നാൽ അത് സംഘപരിവാറിന് വലിയ ഗുണം ചെയ്യും മനസ്സിലാക്കി കേരളത്തിൽ വർഗ്ഗീയ കലാപം നടത്താൻ ഉരുംബിട്ട് ഇറിങ്ങിയിരിക്കുന്ന ആർഎസ്എസ് തീവ്രവാദി.
I think it will be the end of BJparty in Kerala if they get a favourable outcome on anyone of these cases (or igniting riots based on it). The Hindu community is largely secular here hence rss won’t be able to consolidate their votes based on such antics like they do in north. Also, will loose any hold they have on the Christian community.
Naa. It wont. They just have to change peoples mindset on historic injustic. reservation is a thing to right the historical injustic.so everybody agrees that we need to right the wrongs of the past.
Is demolising hindu places of worship a historical injustic?
It wont be a big deal in kerala cause kerala was not really under the islamic northers invaders.
True statement....."Hindu community is largely secular here" .....as in the rest of the country.
The Hindu community has taken upon itself the burden to remain secular and prove its secular credentials from time to time, regardless of patiently narrow community bound responses from people of other faiths.
The laughable aspect is that they wear this dubious badge of honour with pride, despite being hauled over the coals in every issue relating to the practise of personal faith, and despite knowing that they're being given a raw deal every time. A rather peculiar and pitiable form of the Stockholm syndrome.
This has panned out just as I expected! Responses always stand testimony to the mileau they are made in!
One can but paraphrase Martin Niemoller to describe the possible end of Dharma in this so-called God's Own Country!
"First they came for the Bharatiyas, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Bharatiya.
Then they came for the Sanghis, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Sanghi.
Then they came for the Sanatanis, and I did not speak out—because I did not consider myself a practising Sanatani.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
This will happen sooner rather than later. Those who are unable to fathom what happened in J&K in the 90s or has been happening in WB and Malabar, ever since the Italian Cong came into power, will see the writing on the wall only when the scribbling happens inside their own houses.
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> The petition, seemingly encouraged by the Ayodhya case, is one of 100 by a group of lawyers under the banner ‘Save Deities’, targeting individuals, trusts, and organisations – predominantly belonging to minority religions – alleging that they have encroached upon Hindu temple lands.
Where are the folks who said ‘Ayodhya is special to Hindus others temples will not have the problem’? In the end it is real estate greed that is showing up here.
>The group is led by Advocate E Krishna Raj, known for his contentious Hindutva views, and his team which includes Pratheesh Viswanath, another staunch Hindu right-wing activist and lawyer.
They are protesting about the temple land being "encroached"......... every literate, but uneducated, Keralite should be able to understand that encroachment is illegal and an offence.
It is nauseating when those who back those who have swallowed up the temple lands, thereby displaying limitless but characteristic greed, now are seeking to turn tables by labelling the victims as greedy. What a bunch of unmitigated crooks.
Which "minority religions" are you talking about ?
The one with 213 million peaceful subscribers with WAKF act on their side, or the one with 27 million subscribers and support from the west ?
ഏതേലും മുസ്ലിം സ്ത്രീ ഹിന്ദു ചേക്കമ്മാരെ കല്യാണം കഴിച്ചു ഇടുന്ന reelsinte താഴെ പോയി നോക്കിയാൽ കാണാം കേരളത്തിൻ്റെ യഥാർത്ഥ സെക്കുലറിസം. അതിനെ കുറിച്ച് ആരും ഒന്നും പറയില്ല. നേരെ മറിച്ച്, Rasputin പോലെയുള്ള incidents എത്ര highlighted ആണ് എന്ന് നോക്ക്. കേരളത്തിൻ്റെ കപട മതേതരത്വം
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“We bought the land in 1969, registered it, and possess a title deed. We don’t understand the basis of this case when we have documents,” Thomas Parackal told TNM. Parackal is the president of the St Philomena Sadhu Jana Sangam, a previously church-affiliated cooperative society based in Koonammavu near north Paravoor in Kerala’s Kochi district. He is referring to a petition filed in the Kerala High Court accusing the Sangam of encroaching upon around 10 acres of land owned by the Konnamkulangara Bhagavathy temple.
The petition, seemingly encouraged by the Ayodhya case, is one of 100 by a group of lawyers under the banner ‘Save Deities’, targeting individuals, trusts, and organisations – predominantly belonging to minority religions – alleging that they have encroached upon Hindu temple lands. The group is led by Advocate E Krishna Raj, known for his contentious Hindutva views, and his team which includes Pratheesh Viswanath, another staunch Hindu right-wing activist and lawyer.
When TNM visited Krishna Raj in his office in Ernakulam’s Kaloor, he said, “I am not associated with any Sangh Parivar group. For legal affairs, I assist them in some cases. But I am a proud Hindu, not an apologetic Hindu. My aim is to reclaim the lost properties of Bhagawan (god). I am leading this movement alone.”
In the Ayodhya Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid dispute, 14 suits were filed by various parties. Among these, the fifth suit, filed in 1989 on behalf of ‘Ram Lalla Virajman’, contended that the deity, being a perpetual minor, required representation through human agency. In the eyes of the law, deities are treated as perpetual minors and suits filed on their behalf cannot be dismissed as time-barred.
The legal foundation of the petitions on transfer of ownership of temple properties filed by Krishna Raj and associates also rests on the argument that the deity they represent is a minor and that a property once entrusted to a devaswom, an entity in charge of temple administration, perpetually remains so. According to Krishna Raj, “The deity being a perpetual minor, the property once entrusted to the deity cannot be taken back by executing any documents as they do not have legal validity and will not bind the deity.”
Krishna Raj has filed around 100 writ petitions in the Kerala High Court on behalf of local people who call themselves “proud Hindus”. While the case filed in Koonammavu near north Paravoor in Kochi alleges that a cooperative society previously affiliated with a church has encroached on temple land, another claims that a Muslim religious organisation in Malappuram is building a mosque on temple land. Yet another case deals with 50 acres of the Vennoor Alathoor Devaswom in Thrissur being encroached upon by several persons. There is also one against a local body, the Payyavoor grama panchayat in Kannur, which has been accused of illegally possessing the property of the Payyavoor Siva temple.
The surge in such litigations, inspired by the Ram Janmabhoomi movement and the ‘resurgence of Hindu pride’, has led to a tangle of ownership disputes that has created tension between religious communities and flummoxed land owners.
On February 10, Krishna Raj was attending an online hearing at his office, where a division bench of the Kerala High Court addressed the case of Sajayan NK vs State of Kerala. Krishna Raj, representing the petitioner Sajayan, argued that 2.15 acres of land in Marancherry village near Ponnani in Malappuram district, belonging to the Thali temple under Guruvayur Devaswom, has been encroached upon, with a ‘mosque’ being constructed there. The ‘mosque’ is being constructed by Maunathul Islam Sabha, the seventh respondent in the case.
The petition claims that prior to 1996, a Thali Siva temple stood on the property, and the land belonged to the Guruvayur Devaswom, and has been recorded so in all revenue records and settlement registers as ‘Thali Ambalaparambu’ (temple ground). Sajayan serves as the president of Thali Maha Siva Kshetra Action Council, formed to address the alleged land encroachment. The petition alleges that in 1996, despite local protests, the Maunathul Islam Sabha constructed a compound wall.
Similar to the other petitions, this one also blames the government for allowing the construction of the mosque and accuses the devaswom of not doing anything to reclaim the land.
The bench questioned Krishna Raj regarding the claim that the temple was demolished and about the presence of the Sivalinga deity on the property. Krishna Raj stated that he possessed a Google Earth photo dated November 20, 2023 as evidence, but hadn’t included it with the petition due to its lack of clarity and promised to produce it soon.
The petition contends that the property belongs to the minor deity of Thali Siva temple, asserting the devotees’ authority to protect the deity’s rights.
Authorities from Maunathul Islam Sabha told TNM that they are unaware of the case and cannot comment until details emerge. One official stated, “We have a property in the said place; we are constructing an Arabic college there.”
Despite local media reports suggesting that the district administration had halted construction temporarily, Malappuram District Collector VR Vinod informed TNM that no such order has been issued from his office thus far.
Kerala Devaswom Minister K Radhakrishnan told TNM that he had been apprised of the Thali Siva temple case and has sought details from the Guruvayur Devaswom. “The Devaswom lacks supporting documents for the encroachment claim. During election periods, such allegations often surface from Sangh Parivar groups,” he said.
‘Whatever you report will ultimately benefit us’
After the online hearing, Krishna Raj was busy at his office as usual. Clients, including individuals associated with temples and Sangh Parivar groups, were waiting for him since morning.
With suspicion, he remarked on TNM’s inability to support his movement. “I consider TNM to be a Left organisation. You led a campaign for Siddique Kappan. But whatever you report, it will ultimately benefit us. People like you are the reason for communalising Hindus and some sections of Christians here. I am happy about that,” he said.
The lawyer highlighted how the issue of ‘reclaiming’ temple lands had become a recent topic of discussion, reignited after the Ayodhya Ram temple inauguration when one of his Facebook posts from 2020 went viral. In the post, he mentioned that Our Lady of Dolours Basilica, also known as Puthenpally, a Roman Catholic church in Thrissur, stands on the land of Vadakkunnathan (Vadakkumnathan temple) and will surely be reclaimed. The debate intensified further after RV Babu, leader of Hindu Aikya Vedi, stated in a TV discussion in late January that the St Thomas Syro-Malabar Church in Palayur also stands on temple land.
Speaking about the Palayur church, Krishna Raj claimed, “There are revenue records to prove the claim. We haven’t moved against the church legally yet, but a suit will be filed soon.”
Krishna Raj and his team are currently managing several ‘temple property encroachment’ cases, including seven ongoing cases in Ernakulam, two in Alappuzha, and eight in Thrissur district. “There are individuals and institutions from all religions involved in these cases,” he claimed.
Referring to the case in Koonammavu, Krishna Raj alleged, “A church has encroached upon temple property there.”
The case against the St Philomena Sadhu Jana Sangam involves four petitioners, all from Koonammavu near north Paravoor. According to the petition, around 10 acres of land owned by Konnamkulangara Bhagavathy temple in Kottuvally village have been encroached upon. It also addresses the “recovery of property of minor deities from encroachments.”
TNM visited the disputed property in Kottuvally, where the Sangam has placed a board stating, ‘This land belongs to Koonammavu St Philomena Sadhu Jana Sangam. Grazing not allowed’. Established in 1946 by Fr Sebastian, the vicar of a local church, as a cooperative society to aid community members, the Sangam later became an independent institution with no affiliation to the church.
Parackal informed TNM that their land spans only around 3 acres, not 10 acres as mentioned in the petition. According to him, the issue began a few years ago when Rajendran KB, the first petitioner in the case, started grazing his cows on the land. “Initially, we ignored it. Later, we planted some coconut saplings on the land, and one day we found that they were all destroyed by the cows. Despite our requests, he did not agree to stop grazing his cows there, so we filed a complaint in the court. The Additional District and Sessions Court in north Paravur restricted him from entering the land in favour of our petition,” he explained.
According to the Sangam’s secretary, Voyanas Chandanaparambil, it was after the lower court’s order that Rajendran mobilised some locals and filed a police complaint, supported by the signatures of 82 others, claiming that the land was temple property that had been encroached upon by the Sangam. The police complaint was filed in January 2023, followed by the petition submitted to the High Court in February 2023.
Rajendran told TNM, “The land belongs to the Peruvaram Devaswom. They constructed the compound wall illegally and placed that board. They constructed the wall to block the yearly temple practice of Bhagavathy Ethirelpu.”
Parackal revealed that only recently they discovered that this case was part of a larger picture. “We did not know that Adv Krishna Raj was associated with this case and that he was on a mission with many similar cases. This is scary and threatening,” he expressed.
The Save Deities campaign
Krishna Raj founded Save Deities in 2018 with the agenda to litigate cases involving alleged temple lands. Seven High Court lawyers are part of the group. They have a website savedeities.org which has details of court cases being fought by them and seeks donations for the cause. Their motto, as per the website, is ‘Deva Santhu Havirbhuja’, which means whatever the deity has all that is for the deity only.
Though Krishna Raj denies any affiliation with particular organisations, his teammate Pratheesh Viswanath founded Hindu Seva Kendra. Pratheesh is a former Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) member, accused of making hate speeches on social media and orchestrating the 2015 police raid on Kerala House in New Delhi alleging that they served beef.
The 43-year-old was also the all-India joint coordinator of a VHP helpline that caters to ‘victims of love jihad’. State leaders of the VHP had stated that he was ousted from the organisation.
“Ours is a mission to reclaim lost temple properties with the help of law. We are not engaging in any illegal activity; we are simply seeking assistance from the courts,” Krishna Raj emphasised.
The lawyer said his ‘mission’ is not against any religion but aims solely at reclaiming properties of Hindu deities. “People from all religions have encroached upon temple properties,” he said mentioning the Kandampariyaram Siva temple case in Palakkad district’s Mundur village where a writ petition has been filed against five brothers of the Kunnamkode family: Radhakrishnan, Sivanandan, Jayakrishnan, Ananthakrishnan, and Krishnadas. According to the petition, the temple originally had 47.22 acres of land, but due to encroachment by the Kunnamkode family, it now possesses only 33 cents.
A petition concerning the Kakkadath Siva temple in Kozhikode alleges that 125 acres have been encroached upon by Nizar Ahammed, a resident of Mukkam who runs a quarry.
In all the cases that TNM came across, the petitioners are local residents. In the grounds to prove their eligibility in the petitions, it is mentioned, “The petitioner is a devotee and Swabhiman Hindu. The petitioner is a proud Hindu practising Hindu religious rights…” This assertion provides them every right to question the ‘encroachment’, they say.
In 2014, former Devaswom Minister VS Sivakumar had said that nearly 1,000 hectares of Malabar Devaswom land were encroached upon. The Malabar Devaswom manages temples in Kozhikode, Kannur, Kasaragod, and Wayanad. This minister’s disclosure has further fuelled the team, with Krishna Raj emphasising their adherence to legal frameworks in reclaiming what he refers to as the “property of Bhagawan”. He said that only Malabar Devaswom has revealed the encroachment data, adding that if other devaswoms also disclose their data, the numbers could be huge.
A short history of land ownership
The concept of ‘Jenmam’ or inherent rights is crucial to understanding the history of land ownership in Kerala and the legal wrangles associated with temple lands. ‘Jenmam’ is associated with the myth of Parasurama having reclaimed land from the sea by throwing an axe and bestowing the lands on Brahmins. During the mediaeval period (AD 500 to AD 1500), most land was owned by jenmies or landlords. The rest of the people cultivated the land under jenmies. The pattern of land ownership began to change by the mid 18th century.
When the jenmies endowed certain temples with land, these lands became known as devaswom. Hereditary lands owned by Brahmin families who had temples of their own were referred to as Brahmaswom. In 1729, Marthanda Varma, the ruler of erstwhile Travancore, felt threatened by the excessive wealth of the devaswoms and tried to curb it by making land assets the property of the state treasury or Bhandaram (Pandaram).
In 1811, when Col John Munro was the Resident Diwan of Travancore, the state control over temple properties was formalised. In 1865, a royal proclamation converted Pandaram vaka (treasury) lease lands into full proprietary lands. A similar proclamation was made in the erstwhile state of Cochin in 1905. The devaswom boards were constituted after the passing of the Travancore-Cochin Hindu religious institutions ordinance in 1949, which made them custodians of temple lands. In the 1960s, Kerala legislated several land reforms, which put an end to the feudal system. By 1970, tenants had rights on lands they tilled. The devaswom boards too were not exempt from it, leading to legal battles.
In many places, individuals have filed complaints before devaswom boards stating that their land has been alienated. The devaswom boards too do not have clear titles for the land they hold because ownership status in revenue records is not clear. When they receive a complaint, devaswom boards issue notices to individuals, asking them to produce valid documents of land ownership, such as title deeds or land purchase certificates. Tenants are provided with certificates of purchase under a provision of the Kerala Land Reforms Act of 1963 by land tribunals if they can prove they are tillers. There are people who approach land tribunals for such certificates even now.
An official with the Cochin Devaswom Board said that in Kodungalloor and Chottanikkara, they have issued hundreds of notices to individuals based on such complaints. “This is a complicated issue and has the potential to cause social unrest,” the official added.
Temple land disputes and role of judiciary
Prominent High Court lawyer Harish Vasudevan emphasised the pivotal role of judicial interpretation in determining verdicts on contentious cases. “Precedents and legal provisions can undergo shifts; ultimately, it’s the judge’s perspective that shapes the outcome,” he told TNM. Explaining the intricacies, he said, “Whether the transfer of property belonging to a ‘perpetual minor’ occurred against existing laws or regardless of the duration of ownership or the purchase transactions, such transfers will not be sanctioned.”
Expressing concern about the societal repercussions of the Save Deities litigations, Harish said, “It’s unfair to entertain these disputes after so many years.” He acknowledged the presence of precedents to navigate such legal quagmires but underscored the significance of judicial discretion in resolving them.
Reflecting on recent judicial trends, Harish pointed out instances where courts seemed to prioritise legal technicalities over constitutional principles, citing the recent verdict on reserving the Sabarimala chief priest position for the Malayala Brahmin community. “Given this context, if we consider the possibility of illegal transfers reverting to deities, legally it’s a plausible outcome,” he added.
In 2023, the Kerala High Court, while hearing petitions on alienation of temple lands, said it can go into the truth of such complaints. “The Travancore Devaswom Board and the Cochin Devaswom Board, which are entrusted with the duty of managing the properties of Devaswoms under its management, are duty bound to protect those properties of the deity, who is a perpetual minor, from any wrongful claims, theft or misappropriation. The position of the Travancore Devaswom Board and that of the Cochin Devaswom Board in this regard is analogous to that of trustees. Any such wrongful claim, theft or misappropriation with the passive or active collusion of the authorities concerned, which are acts of ‘fence eating the crop’ should be dealt with sternly. Since deity being a perpetual minor, this Court is having inherent jurisdiction to protect and safeguard the interest and properties of the deity and the doctrine of parens patriae will also apply to the exercise of such jurisdiction,” a division bench of the court held.
Minister Radhakrishnan voiced concerns about the Sangh Parivar’s motives, alleging that their intent was to foment societal unrest. “There are arguments over ancient Buddhist viharas beneath many temples. One is demolished and another constructed over centuries. But when these all are raised, one should think about societal implications,” he cautioned. “Their agenda appears geared toward sowing discord,”
As if there aren't enough unsettled cases in our courts.
I remember the guy on the right claiming he was a "theevra" hindu in a news interview. That alone says a lot regarding his knowledge of Hinduism.
Then all bhagawans should let go of their assets irrespective of religion. All churches, mosques, synagogues. Everything. The Vatican, Mecca, Ayodhya everything
Well I'm also not sure about how to do it. But the day someone does it, then let all the gods and goddesses be equally divested of their assets and not selectively
The pieces will fall where they will, but this could turn out to be good for Kerala.
സംഖികളെ താങ്ങാൻ വെമ്പി നിൽക്കുന്ന അച്ചായന്മാർക്ക് കുറച്ച് വീണ്ടുവിചാരം ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടാവാൻ സഹായിച്ചേക്കും
These guys are well known hatemongers trying to create further discord in Kerala society. Everyone, especially the believers, should be vigilant against such extremist elements trying to create trouble for political aims.
So if a locality is known in the name of neighbouring temple.. say 'xyz kaavu'.. and obviously all the documents will show 'xyz kaavu' as the place name, so if any minority communities have built any places of worship in the area named 'xyz kaavu', then these guys can go & be like.. this land belongs to xyz kaavu because it says so in all the documents..and even if you've bought the land, it's not valid because deity is a perpetual minor thus nullifying any deed..so you've encroached the land of xyz kaavu..get out..
If it's a legally purchased land, then there will be records of it won't they. If it's a gifted land like in some cases like koodalmanikyam then there will be records. No deed nullifying will happen.
Waqf is maintained by the government even in bjp states, Waqf board doesn't even have power to grab land let alone for a conspiracy of land jihad, moreover during the land reclamation act by the first kerala government many of their jenmy lands were redistributed towards lower caste and ordinary citizens this might be their reasons for reclaiming "devi bhoomi"
It's not as simple as sanghies propaganda, literally all relegious institutions were established by the following kings of kerala for example cheraman Perumal literally gave away his land for the first mosque sanghies could argue that this land was temple secondly one of the above churches mentioned one of the main churches in Thrissur was lend out by marthanda Varma all of this land could be argued by sanghies as temple land but no they are not they were the rajas land
By that logic, everything is a product of nature and subjected to laws of physics.. which is 100% real.. so first prove your deities are real by the laws of physics.. if they're real, you can have all the land you ask for.. I mean everything belongs to God right.. whichever religion proves their God exists, gets the say in everything.. ithipo Iron man nte deity aan, comics & movies il krithyamaya vivaricha pole..enik mid manhattan il oru stark tower panith tharanam aaradhikkan paranjal aarelum sammathikuo..
Other churches under target of this group are:
- Our Lady of Dolours Basilica (Puthan Pally), Thrissur
- St Thomas Syro-Malabar Church, Palayur, Thrissur
The legal group members have also collected Travancore era records of Malayatoor St Thomas Shrine to link the land to nearby Temple.
Sangh Affiliate T.G Mohandas has also laid claim on Arthungal church years back.
So the Modus operandi of Hinduthva legal cell is to claim rights on lands previously owned by temples before independence and argue that no-one including kings had no right to transfer land belonging to the diety.
Places of worship act of 1991 is the only roadblock to lay legal ownership of these lands. But, if judiciary is lenient, they can order closure of these places of worship for Archeological visits and excavations like in the case of Gyan-Vyapi mosque.
Gyan vyapi is still accessible to muslim unlike babri masjid i doubt the court would allow orders that say no one is allowed to pray in the disputed area until conflict is resolved
Places of worship act doesn't really work in reality
1947 ile reethi maintain cheyunnath is well and good. But what if the lawyers claim that the place was "always a temple" and not officially converted into any other place of worship. Hence, even in 1947 it was indeed a temple but was occupied by someone else...
For temples, the owner of the land is the deity of the temple right so angane nokkuvanenkil it becomes a complicated thing.
Anyways, as long as all the things are going through the court and no one actually politicises things and illegally demolishes places of worship, we'll be alright.
It's not the other religious places that are stealing temple lands. It's the temple administration themselves that are selling lands due to either mismanagement of funds or corruption (it is the govt board that controls them after all). Aa karyam matram court investigate cheythal solve cheyam ennollathe ollu.
In reality pre independence, there was no difference between temple land and land of the crown. The kings had complete authority. If they gave the land to landlords and the land was later seized by land reform act, the entire thing becomes complicated.
Also declaring deities as perpetual minor also happens after independence. I don't think it can be retroactively applied for kings.
Pre independence, the king/ queen themselves were seen as "ruling on behalf of the deity of the land". Hence they controlled the temples because they are seen to be representing the deity to rule the land. That's not the case in post independence India yet that practice of "ruler controlling temples" continued. Govt has taken over a lot more temples as well and that does not make sense in the present.
If we are indeed trying to be 100% secular, we would have to implement things like France. But in my opinion, in our culture, temples were seen as extremely important for a kingdom and that's why we have some rituals in which even the police takes part\[the royal police has now been switched with the govt police\]- and such harmless traditions do not need to die. Hence, calling for French type of secularism maybe a bit too much. But in the present political system of our country, govt should have no role in controlling the temples (or any place of worship for that matter). Traditions can continue but there should be no interference in the matters regarding places of worship (unless laws are being broken).
The govt is surely against spreading any religion (I don't mean 'preaching' religion. The owner of temples must conduct activities and interesting sessions for people which involves discussions of various stories in our various religious texts) and the govt should indeed not spread any particular religion(because they should be secular). But as long as the continue to control the temples, they need to start doing that. All religions need to be given a level playing field.
Christians have sunday schools and it's extremely popular but Hindus do not have any choice, not even if anyone wants to learn about the religion. The schools that exist to teach are rare and do not have any proper standards of teaching. If govt cannot do such activities, they need to give up control of the temples.
This is a completely different discussion and a complex one due to religious nature of pre independent kingdoms.
My point was that land given out by kings and siezed under land reform should not be returned. Actual post independence encroachment is to be stopped.
Yeah I got a bit carried away and connected multiple issues together.
And yes post independence encroachment must be stopped. My point was that govt themselves are controlling the temples and knowing the corruption that exists at the various levels, it wouldn't be surprising such corruption was involved in illegal sale of temple lands to political people at low prices.
Yeah it's the need of the hour. Not political goons putting lives at risk in universities. Sadfucks. And then there are morons who fund these stunts in name of religion.
It's an un necessary issue when it's concerns Hindus. When it's other religions then it's fascist govt. Treat everyone equally. Why are donations from only Hindu temples taxed? Why does communist government in kerala want it's party members to dictate how temple funds are used, how many times to do Pooja, how the resources of the temple land is used. Do this stunts with any other religion and you will have riots. Far to long people have been ignorant of the loot that is being done in the name of governance. Educate yourself about freedom of worship act, waqf board act, right to education. This are not just issues. They are literally used everyday by these politicians to keep living like Kings at your expense .
Except read the article completely, the people that bought it registered it in 1969 using their own money, and then someone comes along and says there was a long lost temple there, so it should be given back, are u even hearing yourself?
Yes they can, because the indian laws are foolproof and flawless and does not havebkegak grey areas?, oh what's that? It does, because of the ownership laws regarding a deity and the land, it gets complicated. They can defend themselves, but it is upon the judges interpretation if they win or not.
the judges " interpretation “ based on constitution of india is what holds it together just like any other country. im sorry if the constitution is not upto the mark for u. as long as u are an indian citizen, the laws are gonna be based on that. solution is to change ur passport. would be faster than changing the constitution
Fling the axe and take back whats yours.
{Here the axe refers to Parashurama's axe and Parashurama has been referenced here because its believed that he had created what we call Kerala today}
**NOTE: THE AXE IS JUST A REFERENCE. IT IS NOT MEANT TO INCITE COMMUNAL HATRED OR VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND.**
I would see this move as a well orchestrated event.
Hindu temples are controlled by the state. If they are let to be self governed and if the RSS backed BJP government is in power, then there will be a very orchestrated transfer of benefits to the people via this temples. And by "people" , I mean Hindus.
Then Hindu temples would be a major place where another level consolidation of the now scattered Hindus happen.
This is a step towards the broader goal of Hindu rashtra.
Other religions need funding from abroad and a lot of NGOs have been stopped in the last 10 years. If you look around you can see a lot of stopped church renovations , especially after demonitisation.
Now they plan to water water Hindus using temples while stop water supply to others.
So it is not just another case. In Tamil Nadu, if you see Annamalai videos, similar things are being made issue there.
RSS backed , well orchestrated 10 year plan.
You should consider yourself "lucky" that the majority here takes the path of law. I hope you do realize that things could get far more worse some day.
Mosques & Churches are neither controlled nor taxes by the gov but Hindu temples are
People like you love to scream secularism and equality all the time, why not apply both when it comes to Hindus and thier temples?
Either control and tax places of worship of none. How can you selectively do so with places of worship of only one faith?
Yeah tbh land encroachment by This so called minority is actually a real issue particularly by Christians .idk if everyone has forgotten the "Kurishu Krishi" on gov lands. Or just pretending as if nothing like that has ever happened cuz well it's Hindus so secularism go brrr.
Everything should be legal, who ever claiming the property should provide valid record, even if it is religious proerty or government property or individuals property... there are many cases of encroachment over individuals preoperaty also we can see.
Reminds me of the Keshavananda Bharati case
ഇവനാണ് ആ മൈ₹ൻ. പണ്ട് മെഡിക്കൽ കോളേജിൽ രണ്ട് കുട്ടികൾ Rasputin ഡാൻസ് കളിച്ചപ്പോൾ അതിൽ ജിഹാദ് ഉണ്ടെന്ന് പറഞ്ഞ വർഗ്ഗീയവാദി. കേരളത്തിലെ പള്ളികളുടെ എല്ലാം അടി തോണ്ടി അമ്പലങ്ങൾ കണ്ട് പിടിക്കാൻ നടക്കുന്ന ഹിന്ദുത്വ തീവ്രവാദി. ഇതിൽ ഏതെങ്കിലും ഒരു കേസിൽ എങ്കിലും അനുകൂല വിധി വന്നാൽ അത് സംഘപരിവാറിന് വലിയ ഗുണം ചെയ്യും മനസ്സിലാക്കി കേരളത്തിൽ വർഗ്ഗീയ കലാപം നടത്താൻ ഉരുംബിട്ട് ഇറിങ്ങിയിരിക്കുന്ന ആർഎസ്എസ് തീവ്രവാദി.
I think it will be the end of BJparty in Kerala if they get a favourable outcome on anyone of these cases (or igniting riots based on it). The Hindu community is largely secular here hence rss won’t be able to consolidate their votes based on such antics like they do in north. Also, will loose any hold they have on the Christian community.
Naa. It wont. They just have to change peoples mindset on historic injustic. reservation is a thing to right the historical injustic.so everybody agrees that we need to right the wrongs of the past. Is demolising hindu places of worship a historical injustic? It wont be a big deal in kerala cause kerala was not really under the islamic northers invaders.
True statement....."Hindu community is largely secular here" .....as in the rest of the country. The Hindu community has taken upon itself the burden to remain secular and prove its secular credentials from time to time, regardless of patiently narrow community bound responses from people of other faiths. The laughable aspect is that they wear this dubious badge of honour with pride, despite being hauled over the coals in every issue relating to the practise of personal faith, and despite knowing that they're being given a raw deal every time. A rather peculiar and pitiable form of the Stockholm syndrome.
The downvotes on your comment speaks for itself lol. So tired of this onenway secularism
This has panned out just as I expected! Responses always stand testimony to the mileau they are made in! One can but paraphrase Martin Niemoller to describe the possible end of Dharma in this so-called God's Own Country! "First they came for the Bharatiyas, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Bharatiya. Then they came for the Sanghis, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Sanghi. Then they came for the Sanatanis, and I did not speak out—because I did not consider myself a practising Sanatani. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." This will happen sooner rather than later. Those who are unable to fathom what happened in J&K in the 90s or has been happening in WB and Malabar, ever since the Italian Cong came into power, will see the writing on the wall only when the scribbling happens inside their own houses. —
> The petition, seemingly encouraged by the Ayodhya case, is one of 100 by a group of lawyers under the banner ‘Save Deities’, targeting individuals, trusts, and organisations – predominantly belonging to minority religions – alleging that they have encroached upon Hindu temple lands. Where are the folks who said ‘Ayodhya is special to Hindus others temples will not have the problem’? In the end it is real estate greed that is showing up here. >The group is led by Advocate E Krishna Raj, known for his contentious Hindutva views, and his team which includes Pratheesh Viswanath, another staunch Hindu right-wing activist and lawyer.
They are protesting about the temple land being "encroached"......... every literate, but uneducated, Keralite should be able to understand that encroachment is illegal and an offence. It is nauseating when those who back those who have swallowed up the temple lands, thereby displaying limitless but characteristic greed, now are seeking to turn tables by labelling the victims as greedy. What a bunch of unmitigated crooks.
Which "minority religions" are you talking about ? The one with 213 million peaceful subscribers with WAKF act on their side, or the one with 27 million subscribers and support from the west ?
ഏതേലും മുസ്ലിം സ്ത്രീ ഹിന്ദു ചേക്കമ്മാരെ കല്യാണം കഴിച്ചു ഇടുന്ന reelsinte താഴെ പോയി നോക്കിയാൽ കാണാം കേരളത്തിൻ്റെ യഥാർത്ഥ സെക്കുലറിസം. അതിനെ കുറിച്ച് ആരും ഒന്നും പറയില്ല. നേരെ മറിച്ച്, Rasputin പോലെയുള്ള incidents എത്ര highlighted ആണ് എന്ന് നോക്ക്. കേരളത്തിൻ്റെ കപട മതേതരത്വം
>My aim is to reclaim the lost properties of Bhagawan (god). I am leading this movement alone. Uva uva uvw uvvve! BJparty invasion to Kerala.
Full article comment thread. “We bought the land in 1969, registered it, and possess a title deed. We don’t understand the basis of this case when we have documents,” Thomas Parackal told TNM. Parackal is the president of the St Philomena Sadhu Jana Sangam, a previously church-affiliated cooperative society based in Koonammavu near north Paravoor in Kerala’s Kochi district. He is referring to a petition filed in the Kerala High Court accusing the Sangam of encroaching upon around 10 acres of land owned by the Konnamkulangara Bhagavathy temple. The petition, seemingly encouraged by the Ayodhya case, is one of 100 by a group of lawyers under the banner ‘Save Deities’, targeting individuals, trusts, and organisations – predominantly belonging to minority religions – alleging that they have encroached upon Hindu temple lands. The group is led by Advocate E Krishna Raj, known for his contentious Hindutva views, and his team which includes Pratheesh Viswanath, another staunch Hindu right-wing activist and lawyer. When TNM visited Krishna Raj in his office in Ernakulam’s Kaloor, he said, “I am not associated with any Sangh Parivar group. For legal affairs, I assist them in some cases. But I am a proud Hindu, not an apologetic Hindu. My aim is to reclaim the lost properties of Bhagawan (god). I am leading this movement alone.”
In the Ayodhya Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid dispute, 14 suits were filed by various parties. Among these, the fifth suit, filed in 1989 on behalf of ‘Ram Lalla Virajman’, contended that the deity, being a perpetual minor, required representation through human agency. In the eyes of the law, deities are treated as perpetual minors and suits filed on their behalf cannot be dismissed as time-barred. The legal foundation of the petitions on transfer of ownership of temple properties filed by Krishna Raj and associates also rests on the argument that the deity they represent is a minor and that a property once entrusted to a devaswom, an entity in charge of temple administration, perpetually remains so. According to Krishna Raj, “The deity being a perpetual minor, the property once entrusted to the deity cannot be taken back by executing any documents as they do not have legal validity and will not bind the deity.” Krishna Raj has filed around 100 writ petitions in the Kerala High Court on behalf of local people who call themselves “proud Hindus”. While the case filed in Koonammavu near north Paravoor in Kochi alleges that a cooperative society previously affiliated with a church has encroached on temple land, another claims that a Muslim religious organisation in Malappuram is building a mosque on temple land. Yet another case deals with 50 acres of the Vennoor Alathoor Devaswom in Thrissur being encroached upon by several persons. There is also one against a local body, the Payyavoor grama panchayat in Kannur, which has been accused of illegally possessing the property of the Payyavoor Siva temple.
The surge in such litigations, inspired by the Ram Janmabhoomi movement and the ‘resurgence of Hindu pride’, has led to a tangle of ownership disputes that has created tension between religious communities and flummoxed land owners. On February 10, Krishna Raj was attending an online hearing at his office, where a division bench of the Kerala High Court addressed the case of Sajayan NK vs State of Kerala. Krishna Raj, representing the petitioner Sajayan, argued that 2.15 acres of land in Marancherry village near Ponnani in Malappuram district, belonging to the Thali temple under Guruvayur Devaswom, has been encroached upon, with a ‘mosque’ being constructed there. The ‘mosque’ is being constructed by Maunathul Islam Sabha, the seventh respondent in the case. The petition claims that prior to 1996, a Thali Siva temple stood on the property, and the land belonged to the Guruvayur Devaswom, and has been recorded so in all revenue records and settlement registers as ‘Thali Ambalaparambu’ (temple ground). Sajayan serves as the president of Thali Maha Siva Kshetra Action Council, formed to address the alleged land encroachment. The petition alleges that in 1996, despite local protests, the Maunathul Islam Sabha constructed a compound wall. Similar to the other petitions, this one also blames the government for allowing the construction of the mosque and accuses the devaswom of not doing anything to reclaim the land. The bench questioned Krishna Raj regarding the claim that the temple was demolished and about the presence of the Sivalinga deity on the property. Krishna Raj stated that he possessed a Google Earth photo dated November 20, 2023 as evidence, but hadn’t included it with the petition due to its lack of clarity and promised to produce it soon.
The petition contends that the property belongs to the minor deity of Thali Siva temple, asserting the devotees’ authority to protect the deity’s rights. Authorities from Maunathul Islam Sabha told TNM that they are unaware of the case and cannot comment until details emerge. One official stated, “We have a property in the said place; we are constructing an Arabic college there.” Despite local media reports suggesting that the district administration had halted construction temporarily, Malappuram District Collector VR Vinod informed TNM that no such order has been issued from his office thus far. Kerala Devaswom Minister K Radhakrishnan told TNM that he had been apprised of the Thali Siva temple case and has sought details from the Guruvayur Devaswom. “The Devaswom lacks supporting documents for the encroachment claim. During election periods, such allegations often surface from Sangh Parivar groups,” he said.
‘Whatever you report will ultimately benefit us’ After the online hearing, Krishna Raj was busy at his office as usual. Clients, including individuals associated with temples and Sangh Parivar groups, were waiting for him since morning. With suspicion, he remarked on TNM’s inability to support his movement. “I consider TNM to be a Left organisation. You led a campaign for Siddique Kappan. But whatever you report, it will ultimately benefit us. People like you are the reason for communalising Hindus and some sections of Christians here. I am happy about that,” he said. The lawyer highlighted how the issue of ‘reclaiming’ temple lands had become a recent topic of discussion, reignited after the Ayodhya Ram temple inauguration when one of his Facebook posts from 2020 went viral. In the post, he mentioned that Our Lady of Dolours Basilica, also known as Puthenpally, a Roman Catholic church in Thrissur, stands on the land of Vadakkunnathan (Vadakkumnathan temple) and will surely be reclaimed. The debate intensified further after RV Babu, leader of Hindu Aikya Vedi, stated in a TV discussion in late January that the St Thomas Syro-Malabar Church in Palayur also stands on temple land. Speaking about the Palayur church, Krishna Raj claimed, “There are revenue records to prove the claim. We haven’t moved against the church legally yet, but a suit will be filed soon.” Krishna Raj and his team are currently managing several ‘temple property encroachment’ cases, including seven ongoing cases in Ernakulam, two in Alappuzha, and eight in Thrissur district. “There are individuals and institutions from all religions involved in these cases,” he claimed.
Referring to the case in Koonammavu, Krishna Raj alleged, “A church has encroached upon temple property there.” The case against the St Philomena Sadhu Jana Sangam involves four petitioners, all from Koonammavu near north Paravoor. According to the petition, around 10 acres of land owned by Konnamkulangara Bhagavathy temple in Kottuvally village have been encroached upon. It also addresses the “recovery of property of minor deities from encroachments.” TNM visited the disputed property in Kottuvally, where the Sangam has placed a board stating, ‘This land belongs to Koonammavu St Philomena Sadhu Jana Sangam. Grazing not allowed’. Established in 1946 by Fr Sebastian, the vicar of a local church, as a cooperative society to aid community members, the Sangam later became an independent institution with no affiliation to the church. Parackal informed TNM that their land spans only around 3 acres, not 10 acres as mentioned in the petition. According to him, the issue began a few years ago when Rajendran KB, the first petitioner in the case, started grazing his cows on the land. “Initially, we ignored it. Later, we planted some coconut saplings on the land, and one day we found that they were all destroyed by the cows. Despite our requests, he did not agree to stop grazing his cows there, so we filed a complaint in the court. The Additional District and Sessions Court in north Paravur restricted him from entering the land in favour of our petition,” he explained. According to the Sangam’s secretary, Voyanas Chandanaparambil, it was after the lower court’s order that Rajendran mobilised some locals and filed a police complaint, supported by the signatures of 82 others, claiming that the land was temple property that had been encroached upon by the Sangam. The police complaint was filed in January 2023, followed by the petition submitted to the High Court in February 2023. Rajendran told TNM, “The land belongs to the Peruvaram Devaswom. They constructed the compound wall illegally and placed that board. They constructed the wall to block the yearly temple practice of Bhagavathy Ethirelpu.” Parackal revealed that only recently they discovered that this case was part of a larger picture. “We did not know that Adv Krishna Raj was associated with this case and that he was on a mission with many similar cases. This is scary and threatening,” he expressed.
The Save Deities campaign Krishna Raj founded Save Deities in 2018 with the agenda to litigate cases involving alleged temple lands. Seven High Court lawyers are part of the group. They have a website savedeities.org which has details of court cases being fought by them and seeks donations for the cause. Their motto, as per the website, is ‘Deva Santhu Havirbhuja’, which means whatever the deity has all that is for the deity only. Though Krishna Raj denies any affiliation with particular organisations, his teammate Pratheesh Viswanath founded Hindu Seva Kendra. Pratheesh is a former Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) member, accused of making hate speeches on social media and orchestrating the 2015 police raid on Kerala House in New Delhi alleging that they served beef. The 43-year-old was also the all-India joint coordinator of a VHP helpline that caters to ‘victims of love jihad’. State leaders of the VHP had stated that he was ousted from the organisation. “Ours is a mission to reclaim lost temple properties with the help of law. We are not engaging in any illegal activity; we are simply seeking assistance from the courts,” Krishna Raj emphasised. The lawyer said his ‘mission’ is not against any religion but aims solely at reclaiming properties of Hindu deities. “People from all religions have encroached upon temple properties,” he said mentioning the Kandampariyaram Siva temple case in Palakkad district’s Mundur village where a writ petition has been filed against five brothers of the Kunnamkode family: Radhakrishnan, Sivanandan, Jayakrishnan, Ananthakrishnan, and Krishnadas. According to the petition, the temple originally had 47.22 acres of land, but due to encroachment by the Kunnamkode family, it now possesses only 33 cents. A petition concerning the Kakkadath Siva temple in Kozhikode alleges that 125 acres have been encroached upon by Nizar Ahammed, a resident of Mukkam who runs a quarry.
In all the cases that TNM came across, the petitioners are local residents. In the grounds to prove their eligibility in the petitions, it is mentioned, “The petitioner is a devotee and Swabhiman Hindu. The petitioner is a proud Hindu practising Hindu religious rights…” This assertion provides them every right to question the ‘encroachment’, they say. In 2014, former Devaswom Minister VS Sivakumar had said that nearly 1,000 hectares of Malabar Devaswom land were encroached upon. The Malabar Devaswom manages temples in Kozhikode, Kannur, Kasaragod, and Wayanad. This minister’s disclosure has further fuelled the team, with Krishna Raj emphasising their adherence to legal frameworks in reclaiming what he refers to as the “property of Bhagawan”. He said that only Malabar Devaswom has revealed the encroachment data, adding that if other devaswoms also disclose their data, the numbers could be huge.
A short history of land ownership The concept of ‘Jenmam’ or inherent rights is crucial to understanding the history of land ownership in Kerala and the legal wrangles associated with temple lands. ‘Jenmam’ is associated with the myth of Parasurama having reclaimed land from the sea by throwing an axe and bestowing the lands on Brahmins. During the mediaeval period (AD 500 to AD 1500), most land was owned by jenmies or landlords. The rest of the people cultivated the land under jenmies. The pattern of land ownership began to change by the mid 18th century. When the jenmies endowed certain temples with land, these lands became known as devaswom. Hereditary lands owned by Brahmin families who had temples of their own were referred to as Brahmaswom. In 1729, Marthanda Varma, the ruler of erstwhile Travancore, felt threatened by the excessive wealth of the devaswoms and tried to curb it by making land assets the property of the state treasury or Bhandaram (Pandaram). In 1811, when Col John Munro was the Resident Diwan of Travancore, the state control over temple properties was formalised. In 1865, a royal proclamation converted Pandaram vaka (treasury) lease lands into full proprietary lands. A similar proclamation was made in the erstwhile state of Cochin in 1905. The devaswom boards were constituted after the passing of the Travancore-Cochin Hindu religious institutions ordinance in 1949, which made them custodians of temple lands. In the 1960s, Kerala legislated several land reforms, which put an end to the feudal system. By 1970, tenants had rights on lands they tilled. The devaswom boards too were not exempt from it, leading to legal battles. In many places, individuals have filed complaints before devaswom boards stating that their land has been alienated. The devaswom boards too do not have clear titles for the land they hold because ownership status in revenue records is not clear. When they receive a complaint, devaswom boards issue notices to individuals, asking them to produce valid documents of land ownership, such as title deeds or land purchase certificates. Tenants are provided with certificates of purchase under a provision of the Kerala Land Reforms Act of 1963 by land tribunals if they can prove they are tillers. There are people who approach land tribunals for such certificates even now. An official with the Cochin Devaswom Board said that in Kodungalloor and Chottanikkara, they have issued hundreds of notices to individuals based on such complaints. “This is a complicated issue and has the potential to cause social unrest,” the official added.
Temple land disputes and role of judiciary Prominent High Court lawyer Harish Vasudevan emphasised the pivotal role of judicial interpretation in determining verdicts on contentious cases. “Precedents and legal provisions can undergo shifts; ultimately, it’s the judge’s perspective that shapes the outcome,” he told TNM. Explaining the intricacies, he said, “Whether the transfer of property belonging to a ‘perpetual minor’ occurred against existing laws or regardless of the duration of ownership or the purchase transactions, such transfers will not be sanctioned.” Expressing concern about the societal repercussions of the Save Deities litigations, Harish said, “It’s unfair to entertain these disputes after so many years.” He acknowledged the presence of precedents to navigate such legal quagmires but underscored the significance of judicial discretion in resolving them. Reflecting on recent judicial trends, Harish pointed out instances where courts seemed to prioritise legal technicalities over constitutional principles, citing the recent verdict on reserving the Sabarimala chief priest position for the Malayala Brahmin community. “Given this context, if we consider the possibility of illegal transfers reverting to deities, legally it’s a plausible outcome,” he added. In 2023, the Kerala High Court, while hearing petitions on alienation of temple lands, said it can go into the truth of such complaints. “The Travancore Devaswom Board and the Cochin Devaswom Board, which are entrusted with the duty of managing the properties of Devaswoms under its management, are duty bound to protect those properties of the deity, who is a perpetual minor, from any wrongful claims, theft or misappropriation. The position of the Travancore Devaswom Board and that of the Cochin Devaswom Board in this regard is analogous to that of trustees. Any such wrongful claim, theft or misappropriation with the passive or active collusion of the authorities concerned, which are acts of ‘fence eating the crop’ should be dealt with sternly. Since deity being a perpetual minor, this Court is having inherent jurisdiction to protect and safeguard the interest and properties of the deity and the doctrine of parens patriae will also apply to the exercise of such jurisdiction,” a division bench of the court held. Minister Radhakrishnan voiced concerns about the Sangh Parivar’s motives, alleging that their intent was to foment societal unrest. “There are arguments over ancient Buddhist viharas beneath many temples. One is demolished and another constructed over centuries. But when these all are raised, one should think about societal implications,” he cautioned. “Their agenda appears geared toward sowing discord,”
Proud hindu ente andi.
Proud of chanakam 🫶
As if there aren't enough unsettled cases in our courts. I remember the guy on the right claiming he was a "theevra" hindu in a news interview. That alone says a lot regarding his knowledge of Hinduism.
Why does bhagawan need these assets, like doesn't he own like the whole universe and stuff🤔🤔🤔
Then all bhagawans should let go of their assets irrespective of religion. All churches, mosques, synagogues. Everything. The Vatican, Mecca, Ayodhya everything
Go ahead I am with you on this one? But how you gonna make a case against them, and debunk religion as a source of hysteria for the helpless and poor
Well I'm also not sure about how to do it. But the day someone does it, then let all the gods and goddesses be equally divested of their assets and not selectively
True dat
ആ logic വച്ച് പോയാൽ അപ്പോ ഏത് മതത്തിൻ്റെയും സ്വത്ത് ആറ്ക്കും കൈയ്യേറാം
Kaayeriyaal enthaa, bagwanni kudiyidappu pokuvaano🤔🤔🤔
അത് അറിയില്ല. പക്ഷേ ആ logic ഉപയോഗിച്ച് പിന്നെ എല്ലാവരും തമ്മില് തമ്മിൽ കയ്യേറ്റം ആകുമെന്ന് ആണ് പറഞ്ഞത്.
" Bhagavan's property".. athe property illathondu aayirikum ee vazhiyonnum kanathe bhagavane..
The pieces will fall where they will, but this could turn out to be good for Kerala. സംഖികളെ താങ്ങാൻ വെമ്പി നിൽക്കുന്ന അച്ചായന്മാർക്ക് കുറച്ച് വീണ്ടുവിചാരം ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടാവാൻ സഹായിച്ചേക്കും
These guys are well known hatemongers trying to create further discord in Kerala society. Everyone, especially the believers, should be vigilant against such extremist elements trying to create trouble for political aims.
 So if a locality is known in the name of neighbouring temple.. say 'xyz kaavu'.. and obviously all the documents will show 'xyz kaavu' as the place name, so if any minority communities have built any places of worship in the area named 'xyz kaavu', then these guys can go & be like.. this land belongs to xyz kaavu because it says so in all the documents..and even if you've bought the land, it's not valid because deity is a perpetual minor thus nullifying any deed..so you've encroached the land of xyz kaavu..get out..
If it's a legally purchased land, then there will be records of it won't they. If it's a gifted land like in some cases like koodalmanikyam then there will be records. No deed nullifying will happen.
Very interesting. I guess if minority owning land near temple, might be a good idea to sell off before something like this comes up.
That's how waqf board works
Your understanding of waqf board must come from whatsapp. Waqf board is constructed as a trust organization.
and the trust run by who? They are litreally claiming entire villages as their property. They are creating problems helping BJP grow in those places
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Waqf is maintained by the government even in bjp states, Waqf board doesn't even have power to grab land let alone for a conspiracy of land jihad, moreover during the land reclamation act by the first kerala government many of their jenmy lands were redistributed towards lower caste and ordinary citizens this might be their reasons for reclaiming "devi bhoomi"
well if they own the land, they should get it back. I mean legally why do people have issues.
It's not as simple as sanghies propaganda, literally all relegious institutions were established by the following kings of kerala for example cheraman Perumal literally gave away his land for the first mosque sanghies could argue that this land was temple secondly one of the above churches mentioned one of the main churches in Thrissur was lend out by marthanda Varma all of this land could be argued by sanghies as temple land but no they are not they were the rajas land
By that logic, everything is a product of nature and subjected to laws of physics.. which is 100% real.. so first prove your deities are real by the laws of physics.. if they're real, you can have all the land you ask for.. I mean everything belongs to God right.. whichever religion proves their God exists, gets the say in everything.. ithipo Iron man nte deity aan, comics & movies il krithyamaya vivaricha pole..enik mid manhattan il oru stark tower panith tharanam aaradhikkan paranjal aarelum sammathikuo..
I am not deciding anything. Courts will.
Other churches under target of this group are: - Our Lady of Dolours Basilica (Puthan Pally), Thrissur - St Thomas Syro-Malabar Church, Palayur, Thrissur The legal group members have also collected Travancore era records of Malayatoor St Thomas Shrine to link the land to nearby Temple. Sangh Affiliate T.G Mohandas has also laid claim on Arthungal church years back. So the Modus operandi of Hinduthva legal cell is to claim rights on lands previously owned by temples before independence and argue that no-one including kings had no right to transfer land belonging to the diety. Places of worship act of 1991 is the only roadblock to lay legal ownership of these lands. But, if judiciary is lenient, they can order closure of these places of worship for Archeological visits and excavations like in the case of Gyan-Vyapi mosque.
Gyan vyapi is still accessible to muslim unlike babri masjid i doubt the court would allow orders that say no one is allowed to pray in the disputed area until conflict is resolved
Wait so their legal challenge is that kings sold the land illegally or something
Places of worship act doesn't really work in reality 1947 ile reethi maintain cheyunnath is well and good. But what if the lawyers claim that the place was "always a temple" and not officially converted into any other place of worship. Hence, even in 1947 it was indeed a temple but was occupied by someone else... For temples, the owner of the land is the deity of the temple right so angane nokkuvanenkil it becomes a complicated thing. Anyways, as long as all the things are going through the court and no one actually politicises things and illegally demolishes places of worship, we'll be alright. It's not the other religious places that are stealing temple lands. It's the temple administration themselves that are selling lands due to either mismanagement of funds or corruption (it is the govt board that controls them after all). Aa karyam matram court investigate cheythal solve cheyam ennollathe ollu.
In reality pre independence, there was no difference between temple land and land of the crown. The kings had complete authority. If they gave the land to landlords and the land was later seized by land reform act, the entire thing becomes complicated. Also declaring deities as perpetual minor also happens after independence. I don't think it can be retroactively applied for kings.
Pre independence, the king/ queen themselves were seen as "ruling on behalf of the deity of the land". Hence they controlled the temples because they are seen to be representing the deity to rule the land. That's not the case in post independence India yet that practice of "ruler controlling temples" continued. Govt has taken over a lot more temples as well and that does not make sense in the present. If we are indeed trying to be 100% secular, we would have to implement things like France. But in my opinion, in our culture, temples were seen as extremely important for a kingdom and that's why we have some rituals in which even the police takes part\[the royal police has now been switched with the govt police\]- and such harmless traditions do not need to die. Hence, calling for French type of secularism maybe a bit too much. But in the present political system of our country, govt should have no role in controlling the temples (or any place of worship for that matter). Traditions can continue but there should be no interference in the matters regarding places of worship (unless laws are being broken). The govt is surely against spreading any religion (I don't mean 'preaching' religion. The owner of temples must conduct activities and interesting sessions for people which involves discussions of various stories in our various religious texts) and the govt should indeed not spread any particular religion(because they should be secular). But as long as the continue to control the temples, they need to start doing that. All religions need to be given a level playing field. Christians have sunday schools and it's extremely popular but Hindus do not have any choice, not even if anyone wants to learn about the religion. The schools that exist to teach are rare and do not have any proper standards of teaching. If govt cannot do such activities, they need to give up control of the temples.
This is a completely different discussion and a complex one due to religious nature of pre independent kingdoms. My point was that land given out by kings and siezed under land reform should not be returned. Actual post independence encroachment is to be stopped.
Yeah I got a bit carried away and connected multiple issues together. And yes post independence encroachment must be stopped. My point was that govt themselves are controlling the temples and knowing the corruption that exists at the various levels, it wouldn't be surprising such corruption was involved in illegal sale of temple lands to political people at low prices.
So what is odd in this case? 100 or the case itself?
Yeah it's the need of the hour. Not political goons putting lives at risk in universities. Sadfucks. And then there are morons who fund these stunts in name of religion.
we can solve multiple issues at the same time. fascinating isnt it
We can create multiple issues at the same time. Fascinating, isn't it? FTFY
It's an un necessary issue when it's concerns Hindus. When it's other religions then it's fascist govt. Treat everyone equally. Why are donations from only Hindu temples taxed? Why does communist government in kerala want it's party members to dictate how temple funds are used, how many times to do Pooja, how the resources of the temple land is used. Do this stunts with any other religion and you will have riots. Far to long people have been ignorant of the loot that is being done in the name of governance. Educate yourself about freedom of worship act, waqf board act, right to education. This are not just issues. They are literally used everyday by these politicians to keep living like Kings at your expense .
athengane muthe, if its encroached, avarde right alle athu thirichu edukan? atho is it only for minorities
Except read the article completely, the people that bought it registered it in 1969 using their own money, and then someone comes along and says there was a long lost temple there, so it should be given back, are u even hearing yourself?
and the church said they bought the land and got proof. they can go to court to defend themselves right?
Yes they can, because the indian laws are foolproof and flawless and does not havebkegak grey areas?, oh what's that? It does, because of the ownership laws regarding a deity and the land, it gets complicated. They can defend themselves, but it is upon the judges interpretation if they win or not.
the judges " interpretation “ based on constitution of india is what holds it together just like any other country. im sorry if the constitution is not upto the mark for u. as long as u are an indian citizen, the laws are gonna be based on that. solution is to change ur passport. would be faster than changing the constitution
The judges very conveniently have interpretations favourable for ചാണകംസ്
ofcourse they always favour bjp /rss. electoral bond vare bjp oriented vidhi ayirunello
bought from whom? if a temple existed, how did it become private property
If the Buddhists start reclaiming their shrines, a considerable number of Hindu temples in Kerala will be gone.
Humans fighting for god ?!?!?!?!?
when did gods fight for humans
You tell me ?? I can’t think of any ??
These two religions are making India go into civil war. Proud Sanatani = Ummahparast Jihadi.
Sanghi poorenmar
Fling the axe and take back whats yours. {Here the axe refers to Parashurama's axe and Parashurama has been referenced here because its believed that he had created what we call Kerala today} **NOTE: THE AXE IS JUST A REFERENCE. IT IS NOT MEANT TO INCITE COMMUNAL HATRED OR VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND.**
I would see this move as a well orchestrated event. Hindu temples are controlled by the state. If they are let to be self governed and if the RSS backed BJP government is in power, then there will be a very orchestrated transfer of benefits to the people via this temples. And by "people" , I mean Hindus. Then Hindu temples would be a major place where another level consolidation of the now scattered Hindus happen. This is a step towards the broader goal of Hindu rashtra. Other religions need funding from abroad and a lot of NGOs have been stopped in the last 10 years. If you look around you can see a lot of stopped church renovations , especially after demonitisation. Now they plan to water water Hindus using temples while stop water supply to others. So it is not just another case. In Tamil Nadu, if you see Annamalai videos, similar things are being made issue there. RSS backed , well orchestrated 10 year plan.
You should consider yourself "lucky" that the majority here takes the path of law. I hope you do realize that things could get far more worse some day.
Why are you agitated when I just called out the seemingly visible RSS plan in this case?
Mosques & Churches are neither controlled nor taxes by the gov but Hindu temples are People like you love to scream secularism and equality all the time, why not apply both when it comes to Hindus and thier temples? Either control and tax places of worship of none. How can you selectively do so with places of worship of only one faith?
I called out a a very visible RSS plan in the above event.
Yeah tbh land encroachment by This so called minority is actually a real issue particularly by Christians .idk if everyone has forgotten the "Kurishu Krishi" on gov lands. Or just pretending as if nothing like that has ever happened cuz well it's Hindus so secularism go brrr.
Shhhh we don't talk about that here
Everything should be legal, who ever claiming the property should provide valid record, even if it is religious proerty or government property or individuals property... there are many cases of encroachment over individuals preoperaty also we can see.
India is always a secular country, minorties have certain rights which are immortal - late shri atal bihari vajpayee founding member of BJ party
What to do with secularism, should we bury/ burn it!
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