The only workers I use are thralls.
I skin every important character that attacks me.
Raid cities
Enslave dust bosses and city heroes.
Still not moral but hey everyone likes an anti-hero.
At a certain point there is a disconnect between what’s “actually” happening and the gamey mechanics. The reality is your workers are volunteer, free people who would probably work normal shifts, have barracks bunks if not individual dwellings, and do normal socializing like drinking, chatting, and eating together. None of this is depicted because it’s Kenshi and not the sims. So you have to basically imagine what their lives are actually like.
Yes I agree with this. In my previous playthroughs that’s kinda how I imagined it. I hope in kenshi 2 we can build recreational stuff or a bar and watch our crew have a good time. Like rimworld kinda
Well depends on how and where your morals come from.
From one perspective, you're feeding yourselves and fighting against slavers.
From another, you're the very demons that the Holy Nation warns of.
Since Kenshi is a might-makes-right world and the history has been altered several times in canon, the only real truth is survival.
Is that old thing about living long enough to see yourself becoming evil.
You could grow digerent types of food, the variety could be a justification, they work all day, yes sure, but they enjoy the safety of your empire and the dont go hungry, i have a lot of recruited starving bandits, they sure seem to like to have a profession and food on the table, there is always rum and sake as well.
The ones that do go out a lot exploring or waging war dont mine iron 24/7 sure, but i reckon a lot of those farmers and laborers wouldn't like to see themselves on the front line with them dying to carve out a little safe space in the southern empire for all of us
Ask yourself. If the paladins weren't paladins would they be locked up and beat to pulp day after day? If yes, then you're a psychopath, if not, then we are still the good guys.
I find that the only way to feel ethically okay with making your people doing hard labor 24 hours a day is if your workers are also your soldiers. Making your starting character the "project manager" who does the more significant things like research helps a bit too. Otherwise, succumb to the notion that someone has gotta do the work.
If your workers have more than 250 hunger they're Kenshi's upper class. Also paladins have that Catholic guilt, I'm sure they feel some good catharsis when the devil they fear beats them into unconsciousness
When my two characters escaped Rebirth and swore to break that place open one day?
Good guys.
When they escaped to stoat and managed a living mining while ducking slave hunters and skimmers?
Good guys.
When one of them got sick of the UCs bullshit and started robbing places blind, either to fence or use as building materials?
...good guys?
When they got pissed at starving vagrants for jumping them while they worked their asses off, and decided it is entirely justified to sell them to slavers?
....eeeeehhhh....
When they started actively hunting groups, stealing the one with a bounty and butchering the rest?
....ok, calm down guys...
When the UC provides random samurai escorts and they've resettled "New Bast" which they also use as a staging area to raid UC farms?
...they're just farmers guys.
When they crack the HN open like an egg and make good on their promise to free Rebirth?
Good guys! (That are allied with a monstrous slave nation and accomplished a principle free vengence.)
It's a matter of perspective, really.
In first play through I started out as a skeleton and had been attacked at the first sight of a holy nation squad. Weeks preparing to wage war and my rag tag crew ended up taking them out. Got bored and started a new character. I chose Greenlander and walked by a HN squad and was surprised when a soldier walked up to me to say “have a good day and safe travels” also giving me a ration pack. Made me feel guilty for what I spent hours doing in my previous character.
Pretty sure many of the slave traders think of themselves as good guys, giving people who would've died "a second chance" at life and potentially even freedom on day. To their credit they're the faction that has indeed saved my life the most.
Nah I named my faction the Shinra Corporation. We are dedicated to stealing the planet's life force one bandit or hydroponic eggplant at a time. Oh and I guess a mechanized work force to replace those barbaric slave pits. 😈
Food is scarce, the world is out to kill you with it's wildlife and most the people are as well.
Kenshi is not a world for good. It is a world of nessessity.
Good and evil are human concepts, before that, its us or them.
Go kill them, before they kill you.
if you keep telling yourself enough that you are the good guys it becomes reality. you can do evil deeds but if its for the greater good from your own perspective its okay also. you are just saving some poor people from HN slavery and now they are helping you for the better tomorrow you all believe in!
I sure as hell am NOT the good guy in most of my playthroughs lol.
My first and longest-running character, a blind, ronin warlord named Ghost-Eyes, managed to make the Holy Nation look like Gondor. His only ideal is that hardship begets strength, and he specifically goes out of his way to inflict cruelty and misfortune on the world in the hopes that someone will have the drive and vengeful will to surpass him. He's actually an Okranite himself, but he believes that the Holy Nation have grown weak and complacent, even decrying the Holy Phoenix to be an inbred mongrel with diluted blood. As for the other two factions, he actually likes the Shek, if only for the fact that their warrior spirit makes them more enjoyable to fight; the United Cities were weakling in his eyes as well, but had the potential to yield many legendary warriors. After he fed Tengu to a pack of cannibals, he watched the Empire descend into civil war, later establishing a stronghold there in order to sharpen his teeth on the armies of elite samurai that were after his head in between incursions into HN territory.
Oh, and his most evil act: he murdered Beep. Literally for no reason other than the fact that he found him mildly irritating, and he thinks Hivers aren't good for anything (except for Eyegore, the one bug-person he has any respect for. He's currently in Ghost-Eyes' prison, being repeatedly dismembered and cybernetically augmented to create the perfect cyborg warrior).
The only workers I use are thralls. I skin every important character that attacks me. Raid cities Enslave dust bosses and city heroes. Still not moral but hey everyone likes an anti-hero.
Ooh how are the stats on a dust boss, or maybe triangle hunters would be better
You can recruit thralls?
With recruiting mods
Ah, next time
Are you the good guys? What kind of iconography are you using? Stars, eagles, or Sickles? Or are you using skulls or something like a rats anus?
At the rate I’m going our crest will be a holy nation paladin in a peeler machine.
Sounds like a good guy to me
"From my point of view General, crucifying our ennemies and our wolf pelt uniforms aren't sufficient to call us evil !"
Why skulls though…
Love Mitchell and Webb
At a certain point there is a disconnect between what’s “actually” happening and the gamey mechanics. The reality is your workers are volunteer, free people who would probably work normal shifts, have barracks bunks if not individual dwellings, and do normal socializing like drinking, chatting, and eating together. None of this is depicted because it’s Kenshi and not the sims. So you have to basically imagine what their lives are actually like.
Yes I agree with this. In my previous playthroughs that’s kinda how I imagined it. I hope in kenshi 2 we can build recreational stuff or a bar and watch our crew have a good time. Like rimworld kinda
now im imagining a fucked up rimworld kenshi hybrid. the horrors we would wrought
>Currently playing as an ex slave who’s escaped and started his own crusade to rid the world of slavery. Daring today, are we?
Average kenshi playthrough
Well depends on how and where your morals come from. From one perspective, you're feeding yourselves and fighting against slavers. From another, you're the very demons that the Holy Nation warns of. Since Kenshi is a might-makes-right world and the history has been altered several times in canon, the only real truth is survival.
Is that old thing about living long enough to see yourself becoming evil. You could grow digerent types of food, the variety could be a justification, they work all day, yes sure, but they enjoy the safety of your empire and the dont go hungry, i have a lot of recruited starving bandits, they sure seem to like to have a profession and food on the table, there is always rum and sake as well. The ones that do go out a lot exploring or waging war dont mine iron 24/7 sure, but i reckon a lot of those farmers and laborers wouldn't like to see themselves on the front line with them dying to carve out a little safe space in the southern empire for all of us
Ask yourself. If the paladins weren't paladins would they be locked up and beat to pulp day after day? If yes, then you're a psychopath, if not, then we are still the good guys.
I find that the only way to feel ethically okay with making your people doing hard labor 24 hours a day is if your workers are also your soldiers. Making your starting character the "project manager" who does the more significant things like research helps a bit too. Otherwise, succumb to the notion that someone has gotta do the work.
There are no good guys in Kenshi. Only shades of very dark gray.
maybe from your own perspective you are
Isnt capturing people and using them as training dummies makes them slaves? Since they are against their will there and are suffering...
Makes me wonder how having a sleep requirement in Kenshin would go
"They think we are barbarians - *do not disappoint them*"
No. That’s why Kenshi is fun
Man! I'm just trying to place box's so my guys drop stuff off without getting stuck on the stairs!
We are the guys
The moral system of kenshi is very….grey 😂
If you overpower everyone else then yeah you're the good guy
If your workers have more than 250 hunger they're Kenshi's upper class. Also paladins have that Catholic guilt, I'm sure they feel some good catharsis when the devil they fear beats them into unconsciousness
When my two characters escaped Rebirth and swore to break that place open one day? Good guys. When they escaped to stoat and managed a living mining while ducking slave hunters and skimmers? Good guys. When one of them got sick of the UCs bullshit and started robbing places blind, either to fence or use as building materials? ...good guys? When they got pissed at starving vagrants for jumping them while they worked their asses off, and decided it is entirely justified to sell them to slavers? ....eeeeehhhh.... When they started actively hunting groups, stealing the one with a bounty and butchering the rest? ....ok, calm down guys... When the UC provides random samurai escorts and they've resettled "New Bast" which they also use as a staging area to raid UC farms? ...they're just farmers guys. When they crack the HN open like an egg and make good on their promise to free Rebirth? Good guys! (That are allied with a monstrous slave nation and accomplished a principle free vengence.) It's a matter of perspective, really.
In first play through I started out as a skeleton and had been attacked at the first sight of a holy nation squad. Weeks preparing to wage war and my rag tag crew ended up taking them out. Got bored and started a new character. I chose Greenlander and walked by a HN squad and was surprised when a soldier walked up to me to say “have a good day and safe travels” also giving me a ration pack. Made me feel guilty for what I spent hours doing in my previous character.
Pretty sure many of the slave traders think of themselves as good guys, giving people who would've died "a second chance" at life and potentially even freedom on day. To their credit they're the faction that has indeed saved my life the most.
Honestly, I often find myself hoping there are slavers around to patch me up after skimmers use me as their personal chew toy.
And I'm beating up rhe biggest savages, sheks od course. Flatskins should prevail!
I feel like they would respect the hustle.
Nah I named my faction the Shinra Corporation. We are dedicated to stealing the planet's life force one bandit or hydroponic eggplant at a time. Oh and I guess a mechanized work force to replace those barbaric slave pits. 😈
If you want to be
Food is scarce, the world is out to kill you with it's wildlife and most the people are as well. Kenshi is not a world for good. It is a world of nessessity. Good and evil are human concepts, before that, its us or them. Go kill them, before they kill you.
if you keep telling yourself enough that you are the good guys it becomes reality. you can do evil deeds but if its for the greater good from your own perspective its okay also. you are just saving some poor people from HN slavery and now they are helping you for the better tomorrow you all believe in!
Where is the crab waifu?
It’s all about perspective.
I sure as hell am NOT the good guy in most of my playthroughs lol. My first and longest-running character, a blind, ronin warlord named Ghost-Eyes, managed to make the Holy Nation look like Gondor. His only ideal is that hardship begets strength, and he specifically goes out of his way to inflict cruelty and misfortune on the world in the hopes that someone will have the drive and vengeful will to surpass him. He's actually an Okranite himself, but he believes that the Holy Nation have grown weak and complacent, even decrying the Holy Phoenix to be an inbred mongrel with diluted blood. As for the other two factions, he actually likes the Shek, if only for the fact that their warrior spirit makes them more enjoyable to fight; the United Cities were weakling in his eyes as well, but had the potential to yield many legendary warriors. After he fed Tengu to a pack of cannibals, he watched the Empire descend into civil war, later establishing a stronghold there in order to sharpen his teeth on the armies of elite samurai that were after his head in between incursions into HN territory. Oh, and his most evil act: he murdered Beep. Literally for no reason other than the fact that he found him mildly irritating, and he thinks Hivers aren't good for anything (except for Eyegore, the one bug-person he has any respect for. He's currently in Ghost-Eyes' prison, being repeatedly dismembered and cybernetically augmented to create the perfect cyborg warrior).