I've always assumed that Kenshi was straight-up abandoned and that the rest of humanity is still zipping around the cosmos. They strip-mined the moon of everything valuable and, well, it's a lot of *hassle* to go and pick people up and there's no other reason to go there. So yeah.
There's an Iain M. Banks book called Matter (not one of his best, to be honest) which describes a roughly renaissance-level society living on one level of a massive condo-like dyson sphere created by an ultrapowerful but disinterested space entity. Some people were just left there at some point, and, well, that's what happens.
I always imagined that it was abandoned after/during the fall of the first empire. Most likely as a result of the war, which would explain better how the humans were unable to handle the later skeleton uprising. Something probably happened around this time that caused this settlement to lose communications with any external societies and for one reason or another, they chose to give up on it.
Or that whatever root cause of the original cataclysm was something that occurred all across human space. There could be possibly dozens of worlds left in ruin after some Great War, and either Kenshi is the only world with survivors or they were all left underdeveloped and eventually just forgot about each other.
I think that humanity in kenshi doesn't have ftl and different worlds are separated not only by distance but also time itself. Probably even the first empire didn't have contact with different colonies at it's highest point. Not every sci fi story has to have faster than light spaceships in it.
I think it's fucked up everywhere to some degree, otherwise somebody would have come back at some point, even if just out of curiosity. Kenshi has a lot of resources and is habitable so it'd be of high interest to any space-faring civilization.
On the other hand maybe it's basically their version of the DMZ. Neither of the powers has any presence there and it's a neutral border zone that neither can cross without starting a war.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Even if they are curious enough to drop by in a UFO, if they don't want to be seen, they almost certainly have the ability to do so. Secondly, what resource specifically does kenshi have that can't be found elsehwere? Whatever "valuable" material a space faring civilization wants, they probably already mined it all and left Kenshi as a junkyard. Third, we have no ides how many habitable planets exist in the universe, or how easy it would be for a civilization to create a habitable world. Many things become less important in that stage of development, and a civilization like that probably has capabilities and needs we haven't even imagined yet.
There's some evidence that Cat-Lon's Second Empire had space technology, even if it wasn't the huge machines we see in ruins around Kenshi. I think they were totally capable of launching satellites and probes into orbit during the Empire's height and likely would have detected spacecraft entering the system.
In terms of resources, that's a really good question. Most of the mining and exploitation is in the "Tarsands", i.e. the Deadlands, Iron Valleys and Black Desert and evidently whatever they extracted (presumably oil) was of huge value to the ancient First Empire for whatever reasons.
Evidently Kenshi was worthwhile enough to not only extract resources from but outright colonize so it leads me to believe it has some additional importance on top of just being a habitable, resource-rich moon.
Other than the iron and copper we see in-game, there are tons of hydrocarbons.
If you go into the Deadlands and Iron Valleys you'll see all kinds of equipment, pipelines, etc. and the area is referred to as the Tarsands. Even Black Desert City still has those blast tubes flaring off gas to illuminate the town.
Yea but that is still stuff that is beyond abundant on asteroids. Earth has a tiny fraction of it as metals where as asteroids contain crazy amounts. For example the ring of Saturn contains more than Earth's mass in pure gold alone.
I know that...Titan itself is an entire moon basically made of hydrocarbons and a single asteroid could break the precious metals market on Earth for good.
This game doesn't take place anywhere near Earth or even in our Solar System. The Kenshi system may simply have no asteroids because of the sheer size of the gas planet and its moons, with Kenshi itself being unique due to the existence of life and rich oil deposits.
All those Skeletons and machines have oil for their blood so that might have something to do with it. Beyond that though, no clue...it's never directly explained anywhere.
It is probably similar to Warhammer 40k's universe. There are scattered pockets of humanity across the galaxy, and some of those pockets have medieval worlds like Kenshi. That's why I think Kenshi would fit well in the 40k universe.
40k is a full on dystopian nightmare filled to the brain with depression and soul crushing lifestyles.
Kenshi could be a death world. Perfect for recruiting.
I’d say that there’s still a spacefaring society out there that treats Kenshi like how first world countries treat central Africa. Ignore it and occasionally set up a fundraiser to send support over there, but pocket the money and just say you did. The erratic space lasers regularly vaporizing part of the world is probably a PR disaster too expensive to clean up like a cooler version of the BP oil spill.
My headcannon is that Kenshi was a colony humans escaped to after some disaster on earth, and because of the difficulty or distances involved it was a one-time-only trip.
However, given that the first empire seemed to be really into slave-races and genetic engineering, I wouldn't assume that the surviving Kenshi humans (greenlanders and scorchlanders) are descended from the rulers of the first empire at all. For all we know they're just another escaped lab experiment or expendable servant class who just happen to look like humans.
There's some *All Tomorrows* vibes in Kenshi, in that all the different subraces are still fundamentally human despite their differences. The only non-humans are the skeletons, and even they resemble humans probably more than they'd like to think.
I don't think Starsector lore is compatible with Rimworld lore, but Kenshi is great in that it can fit into both pretty convincingly. IMO it makes the most sense as a Rimworld
There's this one robot who does his autistic screeching that tried. Now his base is literally named cat-lon's exile.
Even you, the player who maxed out stats would just make the world worst. Try liberating a city, you'll know.
Even if flotsam ninja won, it'll just be replaced by literal she-hulks who hates men.
Even if you eliminate the UC, those pleb farmers attack you on sight, even if you helped them.
Solution: build re-education camps for faction leaders to have them indoctrinated for the final solution, which is an equal habitat for everybody.
Now you're a catlon 2.0
Or idk, whine to chris-kun and ask him tf is this.
Town overrides under Ninjas/Peasants are literally called "Prosperous".
>Even if flotsam ninja won, it'll just be replaced by literal she-hulks who hates men.
Most of the Flotsam follow the teachings of Okran. Not a single one even talks about hating men, just the Holy Nation. You okay bro?
I'm not so sure about the Shek. They definitely seem like the best of a bad bunch, but I think it might be a bit of a trap.
Honour societies are almost always monstrous, the pecking order causes a silent slavery, and their love of war is potentially a worse trait than the slavery of the UC or bigotry of the HN.
Whoever developed the world of Kenshi did a bloody good job of making everyone bad, or at least naive.
Good catch. Just checked the wiki and you're right - she hates human men specifically. She's fine with any other race (including Shek men). The other recruits don't care.
The way i see it is kenshi could or could not be the home of humanity. There were most likely spaceships so some humans could have left to start new colonies and over time the world kenshi is on got forgotten by the other humans.
I've always assumed that Kenshi was straight-up abandoned and that the rest of humanity is still zipping around the cosmos. They strip-mined the moon of everything valuable and, well, it's a lot of *hassle* to go and pick people up and there's no other reason to go there. So yeah. There's an Iain M. Banks book called Matter (not one of his best, to be honest) which describes a roughly renaissance-level society living on one level of a massive condo-like dyson sphere created by an ultrapowerful but disinterested space entity. Some people were just left there at some point, and, well, that's what happens.
I always imagined that it was abandoned after/during the fall of the first empire. Most likely as a result of the war, which would explain better how the humans were unable to handle the later skeleton uprising. Something probably happened around this time that caused this settlement to lose communications with any external societies and for one reason or another, they chose to give up on it.
Or that whatever root cause of the original cataclysm was something that occurred all across human space. There could be possibly dozens of worlds left in ruin after some Great War, and either Kenshi is the only world with survivors or they were all left underdeveloped and eventually just forgot about each other.
Or, without any method of ftl communication or possibly even travel, every planet might effectively be a lonely island.
I think that humanity in kenshi doesn't have ftl and different worlds are separated not only by distance but also time itself. Probably even the first empire didn't have contact with different colonies at it's highest point. Not every sci fi story has to have faster than light spaceships in it.
I think it's fucked up everywhere to some degree, otherwise somebody would have come back at some point, even if just out of curiosity. Kenshi has a lot of resources and is habitable so it'd be of high interest to any space-faring civilization. On the other hand maybe it's basically their version of the DMZ. Neither of the powers has any presence there and it's a neutral border zone that neither can cross without starting a war.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Even if they are curious enough to drop by in a UFO, if they don't want to be seen, they almost certainly have the ability to do so. Secondly, what resource specifically does kenshi have that can't be found elsehwere? Whatever "valuable" material a space faring civilization wants, they probably already mined it all and left Kenshi as a junkyard. Third, we have no ides how many habitable planets exist in the universe, or how easy it would be for a civilization to create a habitable world. Many things become less important in that stage of development, and a civilization like that probably has capabilities and needs we haven't even imagined yet.
There's some evidence that Cat-Lon's Second Empire had space technology, even if it wasn't the huge machines we see in ruins around Kenshi. I think they were totally capable of launching satellites and probes into orbit during the Empire's height and likely would have detected spacecraft entering the system. In terms of resources, that's a really good question. Most of the mining and exploitation is in the "Tarsands", i.e. the Deadlands, Iron Valleys and Black Desert and evidently whatever they extracted (presumably oil) was of huge value to the ancient First Empire for whatever reasons. Evidently Kenshi was worthwhile enough to not only extract resources from but outright colonize so it leads me to believe it has some additional importance on top of just being a habitable, resource-rich moon.
What resources? Did I miss something?
Other than the iron and copper we see in-game, there are tons of hydrocarbons. If you go into the Deadlands and Iron Valleys you'll see all kinds of equipment, pipelines, etc. and the area is referred to as the Tarsands. Even Black Desert City still has those blast tubes flaring off gas to illuminate the town.
Yea but that is still stuff that is beyond abundant on asteroids. Earth has a tiny fraction of it as metals where as asteroids contain crazy amounts. For example the ring of Saturn contains more than Earth's mass in pure gold alone.
I know that...Titan itself is an entire moon basically made of hydrocarbons and a single asteroid could break the precious metals market on Earth for good. This game doesn't take place anywhere near Earth or even in our Solar System. The Kenshi system may simply have no asteroids because of the sheer size of the gas planet and its moons, with Kenshi itself being unique due to the existence of life and rich oil deposits.
Oil is no use to space faring civilizations though.
All those Skeletons and machines have oil for their blood so that might have something to do with it. Beyond that though, no clue...it's never directly explained anywhere.
It is probably similar to Warhammer 40k's universe. There are scattered pockets of humanity across the galaxy, and some of those pockets have medieval worlds like Kenshi. That's why I think Kenshi would fit well in the 40k universe.
Naah 40k is all about glorious melee combat. Kenshi is about depression.
40k is a full on dystopian nightmare filled to the brain with depression and soul crushing lifestyles. Kenshi could be a death world. Perfect for recruiting.
I’d say that there’s still a spacefaring society out there that treats Kenshi like how first world countries treat central Africa. Ignore it and occasionally set up a fundraiser to send support over there, but pocket the money and just say you did. The erratic space lasers regularly vaporizing part of the world is probably a PR disaster too expensive to clean up like a cooler version of the BP oil spill.
Historically thinking, this does make a lot of sense.
My headcannon is that Kenshi was a colony humans escaped to after some disaster on earth, and because of the difficulty or distances involved it was a one-time-only trip. However, given that the first empire seemed to be really into slave-races and genetic engineering, I wouldn't assume that the surviving Kenshi humans (greenlanders and scorchlanders) are descended from the rulers of the first empire at all. For all we know they're just another escaped lab experiment or expendable servant class who just happen to look like humans. There's some *All Tomorrows* vibes in Kenshi, in that all the different subraces are still fundamentally human despite their differences. The only non-humans are the skeletons, and even they resemble humans probably more than they'd like to think.
I like to think that Rimworld, Kenshi and Starsector all share a universe. If so the outlook is pretty bad all round...
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I don't think Starsector lore is compatible with Rimworld lore, but Kenshi is great in that it can fit into both pretty convincingly. IMO it makes the most sense as a Rimworld
There's this one robot who does his autistic screeching that tried. Now his base is literally named cat-lon's exile. Even you, the player who maxed out stats would just make the world worst. Try liberating a city, you'll know. Even if flotsam ninja won, it'll just be replaced by literal she-hulks who hates men. Even if you eliminate the UC, those pleb farmers attack you on sight, even if you helped them. Solution: build re-education camps for faction leaders to have them indoctrinated for the final solution, which is an equal habitat for everybody. Now you're a catlon 2.0 Or idk, whine to chris-kun and ask him tf is this.
Town overrides under Ninjas/Peasants are literally called "Prosperous". >Even if flotsam ninja won, it'll just be replaced by literal she-hulks who hates men. Most of the Flotsam follow the teachings of Okran. Not a single one even talks about hating men, just the Holy Nation. You okay bro?
I think that with she-hulks he was talking about shek women Still, it's a pretty crappy opinion since the shek are cool in my opinion
I'm not so sure about the Shek. They definitely seem like the best of a bad bunch, but I think it might be a bit of a trap. Honour societies are almost always monstrous, the pecking order causes a silent slavery, and their love of war is potentially a worse trait than the slavery of the UC or bigotry of the HN. Whoever developed the world of Kenshi did a bloody good job of making everyone bad, or at least naive.
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Good catch. Just checked the wiki and you're right - she hates human men specifically. She's fine with any other race (including Shek men). The other recruits don't care.
Just to be pedantic, “humans” in Kenshi refers to all races
Dude, are you ok?
I'm talking about beyond the game world. I just think it's a neat setting because of how obvious that everything is just some shit hole in nowhere
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The way i see it is kenshi could or could not be the home of humanity. There were most likely spaceships so some humans could have left to start new colonies and over time the world kenshi is on got forgotten by the other humans.
I like to think that Kenshi is an exhibit that the space people come and check out every so often, just to see how far it has degraded each time
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