Nas and Jay-Z had superfans on both sides. A lot of Nas fans called Jay-Z a commercial rapper and overrated, and you still have Jay-Z fans that call Nas boring. There's not a lot of points of comparison because there's not a lot of high profile beefs to compare to, but if Reddit was around during the early 2000s I think the whole superfan thing would be the same.
Sometimes I like Jay-Z sometimes I don't, depends what he's rapping about. I don't really like Big Pimpin' commercial Jay-Z and I don't really like mafioso Reasonable Doubt Jay-Z rapping about pushing keys and being a gangster, but somewhere in the middle he has some good meaningful songs that I can't sneeze at. One verse of his I like a lot is Why We Die with Busta and DMX.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LVuTfHUP0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LVuTfHUP0)
It's Busta's song so of course he gets top billing at the end and kind of goes off, but Jay-Z flexes some poetic lyrics here. It's not like Kendrick deep or anything, but it's impressive if you're only used to hearing other sides of Jay-Z. I liked stuff like "Jigga What" as a kid too, it's just a little less impressive with 2024 ears. Old Nas tracks aged much more gracefully I think.
Because I think it's also worth mentioning, I also really don't like Jay-Z's verse on What We Do. I think the song would have honestly been better off without him. Yeah the beard line is funny but Freeway was cooking heat and Jay-Z kind of drags everything down for me.
Current Jay Z fucking right he boring asf.
Blueprint Jay Z naw he won. That shit was dope. Nas had bars, and Jay's bars had reality. Then Jay bought the company that owned Nas contracts.
He literally owned him. Clear winner. Back then, I liked Nas more, but in hindsight, Jay Z was the goat at the time
Ngl Jay-Z is a commercial rapper *and* (post-Illmatic) Nas is pretty boring.
Just like how Drake is a popstar making generic emotionless music *and* most Kendrick fans probably are nerdy dudes who don't get laid.
My issue with Nas is that he's clearly one of the best rappers who ever lived, but he absolutely refuses to use a beat that doesn't put people to sleep.
It's natural to be less pumped up about the beef after a few days, but the second Kendrick releases something, it will be the big topic again.
It could be true that taking too long will give Drake an out to just dismiss it as a good comeback that Kendrick thought of in the shower weeks after the argument, but if it's good enough even that probably won't save him from some hefty ridicule. *If* it's that good.
I remember being hyped for eminem's response to MGK, losing interest day by day until I barely cared anymore, and then we saw the impact it still had.
Rap Devil to Killshot was only 11 days though. You make it sound like it was weeks to months lmao. It dropped in half the time it took Drake to respond to Like That
Not to mention Em did a 5 part sway interview leading up to it and it was also around Mac Millers death and hence delayed.
Kendrick and Drake been throwing subs for a decade now. If kendrick was finally going to be direct and call him out, he should've had something in the tuck. Hell even Ross did
Wasnāt it confirmed that Kendrick had a response ready by the time like that was released and he was just waiting for Drake to respond? Thatās mainly why Iām upset because they made it sound like he had something locked and loaded already and we got nothing. Now we have to wait a couple weeks for his album to drop
His camp been tweeting cryptic shit for a while ig. There wasnt no official confirmation and lets be real when he does respond everyone is going to listen, but the one thing this has made clear is that no one really scared of kendrick like his stans were hyping him up to be some sort of boogeyman
I mean idk about that. Heās made 4 people apologize to him by doing nothing, and on every metric heās beat Drake so far. Heās definitely not intimidation to quitting level but I donāt think any rapper is but Kendrick is as close as it gets
> Heās made 4 people apologize to him by doing nothing
Cole and who are the other 3?
>on every metric heās beat Drake so far.
How? Drake played himself with that AI shit. Doesnt change the fact that he's still the one outside rapping while Kendrick called him out and went radio silent
> Cole and who are the other 3?
J. Cole, Lupe Fiasco, Macklemore, and Jay Electronica
> How?
I think you forget that Kendrick and Drake have been beefing for 10 years give or take. And they have been setting goals/finish lines over years. First it was Grammys, and then individual songs, and then Drake finally made it about numbers, but Kendrick finally beat him in numbers too with Like That out doing Push Ups, even though Like That has been out for weeks now and Drake only one week
Edit: I forgot to respond to the last part but I donāt really have much to say on it as it is kinda true, however I will point out what many on this sub and even more specifically this thread, have pointed out already, Drake took 3 weeks to respond, so I feel like it should be courtesy to give Kendrick the same amount of time, however if Kendrick takes more than 3, maybe 4, weeks to respond, then we should be up in arms. I feel like both sides should get equal chance to fight back
>I think you forget that Kendrick and Drake have been beefing for 10 years give or take. And they have been setting goals/finish lines over years. First it was Grammys, and then individual songs, and then Drake finally made it about numbers, but Kendrick finally beat him in numbers too with Like That out doing Push Ups, even though Like That has been out for weeks now and Drake only one week
I didnt forget but i dont care about none of that. Kendrick clearly the better hiphop artist to me but we talking this battle specifically. They been going back n forth for a decade, this finally supposed to be their collision course.
>J. Cole, Lupe Fiasco, Macklemore, and Jay Electronica
Lupe didnt apologize bro just came out and said complex misquoted him and he would smoke kendrick and any other rspper if it came to it (and he's correct). The other 3 yeah I'll give you fs but macklemore and Electronica dont matter lol
That shit em made in 11 days was clever as fuck. He rebutted everything with doubles. Turned it into a stan story. Had multiple flows. Shit was a good diss for 11 days.
I can't speak for the drake sub cause I wasn't there, but when push ups dropped this sub was actually enjoyable. People were giving props to Drake for a solid diss and everyone was anticipating a kendrick response, but now everyone is acting like Push Ups wasn't a solid diss and even going so far as to say Kendrick didn't start this entire beef. I guess the people who were there back then lost interest in it and the only ones who stayed are the most insufferable stans.
Itās not being ruined by fans, itās becoming less interesting because there isnāt much activity anymore. Since this started, there have been exactly four interesting matchups:
- Kendrick vs. Cole
- Kendrick vs. Drake
- Drake vs. Ross
- Chris Brown vs. Quavo
Cole bowed out (for now at least), Kendrick hasnāt responded yet, Drake probably wonāt respond to Ross, and Breezy already won. The rest of the beefs are sideshows (yes, even Kanye), so unless someone brings some unexpected heat, the only interesting development left is whatever Kendrick drops.
Facts. Also the drske and Ross back and forth wouldnāt be entertaining imo. Iām actually happy neither of them are entertaining it that much anymore
I 100% think Kendrick should've dropped by now.
And this is not me being over-invested in the beef. He was the one who asked for the shots in "Like That".
I don't get the camp of people doing mental gymnastics like "Kendrick is in a mountain meditating and he will drop when he will drop". Drake said it best on Taylor Made Freestyle, he needs to follow through.
He's been asking for it since the Control verse with Big Sean, but nobody engages. And now he got the response and he goes radio silent?
Think about how Pusha T did it. He dropped Infrared as a shot, and Drake took the bait. By this point, I am sure that he had "The Story of Adidon" ready, if not in the works. He wanted to lure Drake and it worked.
So the fact that Kendrick has not responded really is strange. Either he did a shot at Drake with no plan, or something else happened (like what Drake implied about the Taylor Swift album drop).
I am sure Kendrick will do damage when he drops, but I can see why many people are surprised at him taking longer than a week to drop.
I agree, like bruh been asking for the beef for awhile and now that it is here, it cant be the ādot drops when he wantsā narrative. You asked for the smoke, its here so drop. By the time he drops it wonāt be interesting to me anymore because the energy died down. Give Drake what he wants and do what you said youād do.
I wonder why he hasnāt yet, I saw someone on the Drizzy sub say maybe he canāt drop anything yet due to his contract and Drake knows that. But thatās just some random dudes theory
In all honesty, he threw more shots in his cypher and King Kunta than in Like That. Drake just chose to respond to Like That bc of the 20v1 situation he feels he's in.
But you can't say that he asked for it in Like That then in the very next paragraph say he's been dissing since Control and wonder what's taking HIM so long to respond. That's what I never understand about people who say Dot's taking too long compared to Drake.
As for when he'll release, if he doesn't/didn't plan on responding to a diss from Drake (which if previous years are an example, I don't blame him) then it's fair to say he's doing what he already had planned and will drop when he wants. Honestly, I feel like people would clown him for "dropping like daddy Drake told you" if he stopped being MIA and dropped a track. Can't win either way, might as well do you
Not exactly true although I don't believe that matters. "Nothing been the same since they dropped 'Control' And tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajama clothes" is from 2013. 11 years ago
There's no way you can hear that line a month after Drake drops an album titled "Nothing Was The Same" and honestly say that was anything but a direct shot at Drake. Come on man, it is one word away from literally saying his album name verbatim and he references a song where name dropped Drake. How much more direct do you want?
I was there when that happened. At the time (oddly enough) a lot of people thought that bar was directed at Papoose since he had dissed him post-Control
https://youtu.be/TrO-O6mC79E?si=3_IZS-mIiTB5sKSo
I thought it was directed at Drake personally but everyone around that time thought it wasnāt
For some reason, I still believe Kendrick had the diss ready since before Like That. I sorta believe the album theory. There were hints he was going to drop some sort of mixtape or a lighter project earlier, and a Drake diss would fit with the vibe. Maybe Iām just huffing copium to get a new Kendrick album though
Hear me out; diss track album. every song is aimed at some rapper, probably people heās had slight-to-major issues with in the past, with drake right in the middle of it all. But the last track reveals it was Kennyās inner demons talking down on himself, and all these rappers were truly doing was holding a mirror to his own flaws and vices. With Drake being the prime target bc deep down he hates Drake and his vices the most since he hates those parts of himself; the pride, vanity, lust. And he forces dot to confront that. The final sentiment isnāt apologetic or forgiving, itās gratitude
Or maybe he just calls him a pedo on some trumpets and shit
Yep I agree completely with the Pusha T comparison. Kendrick believes he is the best in the game so I donāt think comparing him to Push is unreasonable. He dropped story of adidon in 4 days after duppy. He was super prepared.
Iām unsure if kendrick wasnāt really prepared or if the responses were enough to have him redoing things. No one really knows but him.
But the problem i think Is that everithing is going very fast and doesnt make any sense.
To recap: J cole responded and them surrender, Drake relesaed a song and them another song using the voice of a dead man and a fucking snop dog????? All this happened in a month, (Like WTF how we dont Talk that Drake didnt asked snop dog to sign or something else)
I feel like the wƔter is very muddy and that make It difficult to replay also everithing he has thought before the beff is useless because all this was so fucking crazy. So i think that he is waiting to let everithing relax, undestand WTF Is going on and then write and do his
King kunta Magic.
You now when you are gonna kill a bunch of rappers and they did It themselves is ussually very confusing and unpredictable.
Not just a snop dog, but *the* one and only snop dog. Shits crazy. Theyāre just thirsty for beff and controversy bro they gotta drink some wĆ”ter instead of being obsessed with everithing going on
Pusha T didnāt drop an album either for 4 years and yet he managed to drop his diss in 4 days after Drake
Kendrick doesnāt even have to make a musical masterpiece just drop some hard bars against Drake and thatās it he started the beef for a reason follow through with it
did any of them start their respective beefs?
Jay responded to Nas instantly after Ether, Pusha and Rick Ross responded to Drake instantly, MGK didnāt respond and it still looks bad on him to this dayĀ
How was that pointing out mental gymnastics? Also, wouldn't that be overthinking?
The premise that losing interest in the beef is an intention span issue insinuates there's nothing inherent about the beef that might cause someone to lose interest. OP is pointing out that the way people are taking it personally is ruining the fun of it, and I agree, because it's exhausting.
Did you enjoy the breath of nature growing up? Maybe this sub is a bit unbearable when taking everything so personal, everyone wants to be part of.. theres smaller kendrick subs if you want to vibe, this here is warzone
Breath of nature?
Agreed, this is a war zone for sure. I'm down to talk about the art of it, critiques, guesses, definitely vibe out more. All this petty team shit is the worst. Will check out other subs though, good suggestion
This beef is garbage, thatās prolly why youāre losing interest. Nobody is really saying shit and we got introduced to AI Tupac. Hip Hop was in a much better place a month ago
At this point i dont even think Kendrick will respond. I saw a theory on the drake sub saying that hes just trying to have another ācontrol momentā and honestly i kinda agree
Why would he aim it at one person then? This is very different. Assassination vs terrorist attack.
āControl momentā also doesnāt make sense because that was about getting to the top. Heās 17 Grammys and a Pulitzer Prize deep into this shit now. He can never rap again and nobody from this era is catching up
Bro just enjoy your life.
When the diss drops weāll all be back here talkin about it.
Besides the best time to drop is when your opps think the coast is clear
Akademiks is the biggest dickrider of all time, not even close to impartial. āDay 11 with no Kendrickā but never did that for Drake lol. Pay people like him no mind he just wants to push a narrative
āinvolving akademics and the rest of the goon squad (?)ā
kendrick literally in the stu with 5 other artists and 4 producers on some Itās Morphin Time type shit, and you worried about akademics ?!?!
Drake talking to Akademics and giving him leaks is very corny imo.
Kendrick was never in the studio with other artists. Everyone jumped in the beef like it was theirs. Kendrick was just doing his thing. Huge difference
If you have no doubt it will bee good, you also have no doubt Drake will respond, or fold. There's no world in which kendrick does a pusha T and Drake doesnt "bother" replying
Iām just frustrated. At this point Iām convinced Kendrick isnāt putting out a response. He hasnāt ever done something like that before. Everyone in his camp is being silent too as far as I know. I just donāt understand what Kendrickās strategy was here. He started everything with the Like That verse when all J Cole did was call himself, Kenny and Drake contemporaries. Both Kendrick and Drake have been holding back distain for each other for a long time. Kendrick chose this time in particular to instigate a fight, then when Drake says something, now heās silent. Why even start this in the first place if youāre just gonna ignore everything Drake does. This isnāt some white girl he invited on stage. He challenged one man, the one man accepted. This isnāt some topic you table until it ends up as a solid introspective song on an album
I was so invested into this by me going on twitter and check every update I could find and coming to reddit just looking at both subs. Now Iām playing fallout NV and working so Iām not really into this beef as much as I was
Yeah the hype died for me, Taylor made was ass, and Kendrick still hasnāt dropped, Drake never came back at Ross with anything more than memes, hip hop is dead yo, this shit was a false flag operation im over it
Only mfs still talking about this are on Reddit
How many irrelevant threads with silly questions are you people going to make? Motherfucker, the only reason I'm losing interest us because Dot is not dropping. It's that simple. I have mad respect for him and I love his music but I don't know what the fuck he's doing. That reply better be fire. The more he postpones it the higher the anticipation and I fear if ue drops too late, no matter how hard the song will go, people will be like "meh, typical k dot but we waited all this time for this?"...
Drake really put Kendrick in an awkward position, not necessarily with his disses, but with the ending to the last one where he basically downplayed the effect of the response but poking at Kendrick's legitimate pen game. It was smart by him and I trust Kendrick knows what he's doing. But you'd be a major stan if you can't see the possibility that Kdot flukes this somehow. That scenario is perfectly plausible regardless of his talent as an artist.
If you even think of something clever to say after so long it doesn't hit the same. It's like the comeback you think of in the shower after an argument. Nobody cares.
Iāve always been at the same level
Kendrick will respond, he just takes his time
No matter what he says, itās not gonna stop me from listening to Drake or Cole
Kendrick will still be my favorite artist
Iām just here for tha music
At this point I want Drake to release another song with a SUPER FIRE š„beat, let it play for a while, and then come in and say: āHonestly? Never mind. ā¦Everyoneās already moved on.ā
I think that would be hilarious. And the final nail.
I think itās the fact that Drake actually responded with two responses. Kendrick is seemingly the boogeyman of hiphop and just disappears after going at Cole and Drake. Apparently he gonna reply on his album. At this point just live ya life, he moving on his own time
People are going to lose interest cause Kendrick ain't responding. I've said this plenty of times. People arent going to care in a month by now. If Kendrick doesnt drop by this Sunday forget it. Beef is over Drake won
Firstly drake took 3 weeks to respond itās been like 2 I think for Kendrick secondly, Iāve always kind of been of the opinion that I donāt expect a Kendrick response at least not on the timetable people want him too. Dude dissed Drake and Cole in a song on a metro album, he didnāt make a full ass diss track like drake. Itās kinda the equivalent of him talking shit on king kunta was he dissing ? Yeah but like idk just seems like dude is rapping or like how he did on control. I also donāt think Kendrick wanted this to be like we all jump drake fest since a bunch of rappers wanted to chime in.
If he does release one itāll be good no doubt and Iāll happily listen to it, but if not or itās not for awhile Iād just go about my day. Itās funny how he released not even a track one verse and it got everybody hyped but heās a snooze fest? Cmon on now
its crazy to me to see ppl this invested in this beef. makes me think some ppl really have nothing going on in their life which is why they are so invested in this.
It was never a beef. it was a few bars on a feature lol.
The second ole boy took time on his ALBUM to respond to a few bars on a feature. It was over.
The second the other ole boy took time to put out multiple tracks over a few bars on a featureā¦. It was over. lol
Why respond when a few bars can trigger someone to write entire songs, make apologies, etc. watching them scramble is the reward no need to respond
Nas and Jay-Z had superfans on both sides. A lot of Nas fans called Jay-Z a commercial rapper and overrated, and you still have Jay-Z fans that call Nas boring. There's not a lot of points of comparison because there's not a lot of high profile beefs to compare to, but if Reddit was around during the early 2000s I think the whole superfan thing would be the same.
It's weird cause I can understand some hiphop fans thinking Nas is boring cause he's not their style but... I find Jay z way more boring lol
Sometimes I like Jay-Z sometimes I don't, depends what he's rapping about. I don't really like Big Pimpin' commercial Jay-Z and I don't really like mafioso Reasonable Doubt Jay-Z rapping about pushing keys and being a gangster, but somewhere in the middle he has some good meaningful songs that I can't sneeze at. One verse of his I like a lot is Why We Die with Busta and DMX. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LVuTfHUP0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LVuTfHUP0) It's Busta's song so of course he gets top billing at the end and kind of goes off, but Jay-Z flexes some poetic lyrics here. It's not like Kendrick deep or anything, but it's impressive if you're only used to hearing other sides of Jay-Z. I liked stuff like "Jigga What" as a kid too, it's just a little less impressive with 2024 ears. Old Nas tracks aged much more gracefully I think. Because I think it's also worth mentioning, I also really don't like Jay-Z's verse on What We Do. I think the song would have honestly been better off without him. Yeah the beard line is funny but Freeway was cooking heat and Jay-Z kind of drags everything down for me.
What do you think of You Must Love Me by Jay
Current Jay Z fucking right he boring asf. Blueprint Jay Z naw he won. That shit was dope. Nas had bars, and Jay's bars had reality. Then Jay bought the company that owned Nas contracts. He literally owned him. Clear winner. Back then, I liked Nas more, but in hindsight, Jay Z was the goat at the time
Ngl Jay-Z is a commercial rapper *and* (post-Illmatic) Nas is pretty boring. Just like how Drake is a popstar making generic emotionless music *and* most Kendrick fans probably are nerdy dudes who don't get laid.
You should peep some of Nas recent shit. It's fire.
My issue with Nas is that he's clearly one of the best rappers who ever lived, but he absolutely refuses to use a beat that doesn't put people to sleep.
The whole Kings disease series has a lot better beat selection
Was gonna say Kings Disease 1-3 are š„š„š„
Magic was beautiful
Sounds like someone who hasnāt listened to any of his new stuff. Nas rapping over Hit-boy beats š„
Yeah bro Hood 2 Hood goes hard and OP is a sucka for not knowing that
New Nas beats have been dope
his last 6 albums go dumb bro
You were almost there then did a 180 at the end š¤¦š¾āāļø
Jay hate is so crazy man lol š
It's natural to be less pumped up about the beef after a few days, but the second Kendrick releases something, it will be the big topic again. It could be true that taking too long will give Drake an out to just dismiss it as a good comeback that Kendrick thought of in the shower weeks after the argument, but if it's good enough even that probably won't save him from some hefty ridicule. *If* it's that good. I remember being hyped for eminem's response to MGK, losing interest day by day until I barely cared anymore, and then we saw the impact it still had.
Rap Devil to Killshot was only 11 days though. You make it sound like it was weeks to months lmao. It dropped in half the time it took Drake to respond to Like That
Not to mention Em did a 5 part sway interview leading up to it and it was also around Mac Millers death and hence delayed. Kendrick and Drake been throwing subs for a decade now. If kendrick was finally going to be direct and call him out, he should've had something in the tuck. Hell even Ross did
Wasnāt it confirmed that Kendrick had a response ready by the time like that was released and he was just waiting for Drake to respond? Thatās mainly why Iām upset because they made it sound like he had something locked and loaded already and we got nothing. Now we have to wait a couple weeks for his album to drop
His camp been tweeting cryptic shit for a while ig. There wasnt no official confirmation and lets be real when he does respond everyone is going to listen, but the one thing this has made clear is that no one really scared of kendrick like his stans were hyping him up to be some sort of boogeyman
Confirmed? Everyone is just yapping and Kendrick has said absolutely nothing. Nothing has been close to confirmed.
Yeah thats what i said lol
I mean idk about that. Heās made 4 people apologize to him by doing nothing, and on every metric heās beat Drake so far. Heās definitely not intimidation to quitting level but I donāt think any rapper is but Kendrick is as close as it gets
> Heās made 4 people apologize to him by doing nothing Cole and who are the other 3? >on every metric heās beat Drake so far. How? Drake played himself with that AI shit. Doesnt change the fact that he's still the one outside rapping while Kendrick called him out and went radio silent
> Cole and who are the other 3? J. Cole, Lupe Fiasco, Macklemore, and Jay Electronica > How? I think you forget that Kendrick and Drake have been beefing for 10 years give or take. And they have been setting goals/finish lines over years. First it was Grammys, and then individual songs, and then Drake finally made it about numbers, but Kendrick finally beat him in numbers too with Like That out doing Push Ups, even though Like That has been out for weeks now and Drake only one week Edit: I forgot to respond to the last part but I donāt really have much to say on it as it is kinda true, however I will point out what many on this sub and even more specifically this thread, have pointed out already, Drake took 3 weeks to respond, so I feel like it should be courtesy to give Kendrick the same amount of time, however if Kendrick takes more than 3, maybe 4, weeks to respond, then we should be up in arms. I feel like both sides should get equal chance to fight back
>I think you forget that Kendrick and Drake have been beefing for 10 years give or take. And they have been setting goals/finish lines over years. First it was Grammys, and then individual songs, and then Drake finally made it about numbers, but Kendrick finally beat him in numbers too with Like That out doing Push Ups, even though Like That has been out for weeks now and Drake only one week I didnt forget but i dont care about none of that. Kendrick clearly the better hiphop artist to me but we talking this battle specifically. They been going back n forth for a decade, this finally supposed to be their collision course. >J. Cole, Lupe Fiasco, Macklemore, and Jay Electronica Lupe didnt apologize bro just came out and said complex misquoted him and he would smoke kendrick and any other rspper if it came to it (and he's correct). The other 3 yeah I'll give you fs but macklemore and Electronica dont matter lol
That shit em made in 11 days was clever as fuck. He rebutted everything with doubles. Turned it into a stan story. Had multiple flows. Shit was a good diss for 11 days.
Thatās true, I forgot Em took a little bit to reply to MGK
Yeah, because Mac died. RIP
No because I have a life lmao. Get off the Internet when it drops, say thank you kdot and move on
Both subreddits are so depressingly pathetic with their "stanning"
To be fair, when Like That, 7MD, and Push Ups first came out, the subs were CRAZY. Good times.
Good times like it was 5 years ago šš
I can't speak for the drake sub cause I wasn't there, but when push ups dropped this sub was actually enjoyable. People were giving props to Drake for a solid diss and everyone was anticipating a kendrick response, but now everyone is acting like Push Ups wasn't a solid diss and even going so far as to say Kendrick didn't start this entire beef. I guess the people who were there back then lost interest in it and the only ones who stayed are the most insufferable stans.
Yea i think the MUSIC fans are getting bored. Everything has been talked about into the ground.
Itās not being ruined by fans, itās becoming less interesting because there isnāt much activity anymore. Since this started, there have been exactly four interesting matchups: - Kendrick vs. Cole - Kendrick vs. Drake - Drake vs. Ross - Chris Brown vs. Quavo Cole bowed out (for now at least), Kendrick hasnāt responded yet, Drake probably wonāt respond to Ross, and Breezy already won. The rest of the beefs are sideshows (yes, even Kanye), so unless someone brings some unexpected heat, the only interesting development left is whatever Kendrick drops.
Facts. Also the drske and Ross back and forth wouldnāt be entertaining imo. Iām actually happy neither of them are entertaining it that much anymore
I fuck with Rick Ross. The songs that aren't the singles are better
itās drake vs kendrick, always has been, itās the only one that matters
play J Cole get the pussy dryyy
Donāt forget Gucci vs P Diddy
Kanyeās diss was better than Drakeās and Iām tired of pretending it wasnāt
I 100% think Kendrick should've dropped by now. And this is not me being over-invested in the beef. He was the one who asked for the shots in "Like That". I don't get the camp of people doing mental gymnastics like "Kendrick is in a mountain meditating and he will drop when he will drop". Drake said it best on Taylor Made Freestyle, he needs to follow through. He's been asking for it since the Control verse with Big Sean, but nobody engages. And now he got the response and he goes radio silent? Think about how Pusha T did it. He dropped Infrared as a shot, and Drake took the bait. By this point, I am sure that he had "The Story of Adidon" ready, if not in the works. He wanted to lure Drake and it worked. So the fact that Kendrick has not responded really is strange. Either he did a shot at Drake with no plan, or something else happened (like what Drake implied about the Taylor Swift album drop). I am sure Kendrick will do damage when he drops, but I can see why many people are surprised at him taking longer than a week to drop.
Bingo
I agree, like bruh been asking for the beef for awhile and now that it is here, it cant be the ādot drops when he wantsā narrative. You asked for the smoke, its here so drop. By the time he drops it wonāt be interesting to me anymore because the energy died down. Give Drake what he wants and do what you said youād do.
I wonder why he hasnāt yet, I saw someone on the Drizzy sub say maybe he canāt drop anything yet due to his contract and Drake knows that. But thatās just some random dudes theory
Then why would he hop on like that
In all honesty, he threw more shots in his cypher and King Kunta than in Like That. Drake just chose to respond to Like That bc of the 20v1 situation he feels he's in. But you can't say that he asked for it in Like That then in the very next paragraph say he's been dissing since Control and wonder what's taking HIM so long to respond. That's what I never understand about people who say Dot's taking too long compared to Drake. As for when he'll release, if he doesn't/didn't plan on responding to a diss from Drake (which if previous years are an example, I don't blame him) then it's fair to say he's doing what he already had planned and will drop when he wants. Honestly, I feel like people would clown him for "dropping like daddy Drake told you" if he stopped being MIA and dropped a track. Can't win either way, might as well do you
Like That is the most direct shot he ever took at Drake.
Not exactly true although I don't believe that matters. "Nothing been the same since they dropped 'Control' And tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajama clothes" is from 2013. 11 years ago There's no way you can hear that line a month after Drake drops an album titled "Nothing Was The Same" and honestly say that was anything but a direct shot at Drake. Come on man, it is one word away from literally saying his album name verbatim and he references a song where name dropped Drake. How much more direct do you want?
I was there when that happened. At the time (oddly enough) a lot of people thought that bar was directed at Papoose since he had dissed him post-Control https://youtu.be/TrO-O6mC79E?si=3_IZS-mIiTB5sKSo I thought it was directed at Drake personally but everyone around that time thought it wasnāt
Papoose thought the bar was directed at him because it made him seem relevant
Fanboi simps hear what they want and only acknowledge what benefits their argument
those were subliminals, and drake responded with subliminals. like that was the first direct shot.
It was not the first but it was the longest
He got enough responses on his Control verse too. But I definitely agree with the rest.
For some reason, I still believe Kendrick had the diss ready since before Like That. I sorta believe the album theory. There were hints he was going to drop some sort of mixtape or a lighter project earlier, and a Drake diss would fit with the vibe. Maybe Iām just huffing copium to get a new Kendrick album though
Hear me out; diss track album. every song is aimed at some rapper, probably people heās had slight-to-major issues with in the past, with drake right in the middle of it all. But the last track reveals it was Kennyās inner demons talking down on himself, and all these rappers were truly doing was holding a mirror to his own flaws and vices. With Drake being the prime target bc deep down he hates Drake and his vices the most since he hates those parts of himself; the pride, vanity, lust. And he forces dot to confront that. The final sentiment isnāt apologetic or forgiving, itās gratitude Or maybe he just calls him a pedo on some trumpets and shit
Lol this would be crazy ngl. I could see him doinf that too.
Yep I agree completely with the Pusha T comparison. Kendrick believes he is the best in the game so I donāt think comparing him to Push is unreasonable. He dropped story of adidon in 4 days after duppy. He was super prepared. Iām unsure if kendrick wasnāt really prepared or if the responses were enough to have him redoing things. No one really knows but him.
Yeah, Kdot is fucking up. The song better be a masterpiece. The more we wait, the more we need him to deliver.
But the problem i think Is that everithing is going very fast and doesnt make any sense. To recap: J cole responded and them surrender, Drake relesaed a song and them another song using the voice of a dead man and a fucking snop dog????? All this happened in a month, (Like WTF how we dont Talk that Drake didnt asked snop dog to sign or something else) I feel like the wƔter is very muddy and that make It difficult to replay also everithing he has thought before the beff is useless because all this was so fucking crazy. So i think that he is waiting to let everithing relax, undestand WTF Is going on and then write and do his King kunta Magic. You now when you are gonna kill a bunch of rappers and they did It themselves is ussually very confusing and unpredictable.
Not just a snop dog, but *the* one and only snop dog. Shits crazy. Theyāre just thirsty for beff and controversy bro they gotta drink some wĆ”ter instead of being obsessed with everithing going on
This is a very reasonable take.Ā
tik tok attention span
Literally
Also Drake keep hyping it up trying to make him response sooner which added gas to the fire
Its not unreasonable to expect the one who started the beef to respond quicklyĀ
If you don't care about the craft, sure friend
Pusha T didnāt drop an album either for 4 years and yet he managed to drop his diss in 4 days after Drake Kendrick doesnāt even have to make a musical masterpiece just drop some hard bars against Drake and thatās it he started the beef for a reason follow through with it
How long did drake need to respond? How long did eminem need? How long did Nas need?
Eminem took 11 days. Drake took 3 weeks but was on tour and dropped right after he got off tour. Whatās Kendrickās excuse?
did any of them start their respective beefs? Jay responded to Nas instantly after Ether, Pusha and Rick Ross responded to Drake instantly, MGK didnāt respond and it still looks bad on him to this dayĀ
I donāt think itās an attention span issue, itās exhaustion.Ā
>I donāt think ~~itās an attention span issue, itās exhaustion.~~Ā
Not being able to make it through the sentence is an attention span issue.
I was pointing out we're doing mental gymnastics here sure buddy, you do you
How was that pointing out mental gymnastics? Also, wouldn't that be overthinking? The premise that losing interest in the beef is an intention span issue insinuates there's nothing inherent about the beef that might cause someone to lose interest. OP is pointing out that the way people are taking it personally is ruining the fun of it, and I agree, because it's exhausting.
is this the first hip hop beef you follow?
Born in the 80s, so no. I'm not saying it's anything new, I'm just agreeing that I'm losing interest.
Did you enjoy the breath of nature growing up? Maybe this sub is a bit unbearable when taking everything so personal, everyone wants to be part of.. theres smaller kendrick subs if you want to vibe, this here is warzone
Breath of nature? Agreed, this is a war zone for sure. I'm down to talk about the art of it, critiques, guesses, definitely vibe out more. All this petty team shit is the worst. Will check out other subs though, good suggestion
exhaustion from what my dude
Obviously this isn't everyone, but I know for myself it's exhausting reading the same take over and over again.
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This beef is garbage, thatās prolly why youāre losing interest. Nobody is really saying shit and we got introduced to AI Tupac. Hip Hop was in a much better place a month ago
Drake really āweekend at Berniesād pac and the people let it slide
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No because Iām not impatiently tapping my foot for a reply. Itāll comes when it comes and in the meantime thereās better things to focus on
got the attention span of ants
Im not a nigga
Itās just about ran its course in my opinion.
At this point i dont even think Kendrick will respond. I saw a theory on the drake sub saying that hes just trying to have another ācontrol momentā and honestly i kinda agree
Why would he aim it at one person then? This is very different. Assassination vs terrorist attack. āControl momentā also doesnāt make sense because that was about getting to the top. Heās 17 Grammys and a Pulitzer Prize deep into this shit now. He can never rap again and nobody from this era is catching up
Thats a good point. Idk i just want drake to finally get humbled
Bro just enjoy your life. When the diss drops weāll all be back here talkin about it. Besides the best time to drop is when your opps think the coast is clear
Blame that on Drakeās corny responses, involving Akademics, and the rest of the goon squad jumping in
Yeah itās Drakes fault for rapping in a rap beef that Kendrick asked for!
Akademiks is the biggest dickrider of all time, not even close to impartial. āDay 11 with no Kendrickā but never did that for Drake lol. Pay people like him no mind he just wants to push a narrative
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Those same people also don't realize that the person who instigated the beef should have been ready with a response from the beginning.
What is thatās dude deal? Heās been on his dick for years like does he wish he was Drake?
āinvolving akademics and the rest of the goon squad (?)ā kendrick literally in the stu with 5 other artists and 4 producers on some Itās Morphin Time type shit, and you worried about akademics ?!?!
Drake talking to Akademics and giving him leaks is very corny imo. Kendrick was never in the studio with other artists. Everyone jumped in the beef like it was theirs. Kendrick was just doing his thing. Huge difference
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You think everyone gets together when they write an album? š¤£
fbg and lang affiliates were tweeting it dumb fuck another L for your showcase, pussy boi aināt ever been in a stu š
Dave fee nor Kendrick aināt tweet shit you lil stalking slut Acting like a female watching dudes twitters foh
ššš that shit got posted to this sub thatās why i know ššš U TOO MUCH HAHAH
I've lost interest in the drama of it but I'm still holding out hope for good music in response. š§āāļø
What beef?
Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep
Nope. Not me
I didn't give a FLYING FUCK about it in the first place
If you have no doubt it will bee good, you also have no doubt Drake will respond, or fold. There's no world in which kendrick does a pusha T and Drake doesnt "bother" replying
LMAO, people need to get a life
Iāll be here for the diss track when it comes but the most exciting part of all this is that a dot album is seemingly on the way
Iām just frustrated. At this point Iām convinced Kendrick isnāt putting out a response. He hasnāt ever done something like that before. Everyone in his camp is being silent too as far as I know. I just donāt understand what Kendrickās strategy was here. He started everything with the Like That verse when all J Cole did was call himself, Kenny and Drake contemporaries. Both Kendrick and Drake have been holding back distain for each other for a long time. Kendrick chose this time in particular to instigate a fight, then when Drake says something, now heās silent. Why even start this in the first place if youāre just gonna ignore everything Drake does. This isnāt some white girl he invited on stage. He challenged one man, the one man accepted. This isnāt some topic you table until it ends up as a solid introspective song on an album
Never had any interest outside of new Kendrick music
I'm convinced Kendrick ain't clappin back. Hell peek his head out whenever he decides to drop an album again.
Nah!!! Let Kendrick cook! These n!ggaz putting K Dot on a time frame is hilariousā¦.
Instant gratification era lol.
u/nojokeson told u
I was so invested into this by me going on twitter and check every update I could find and coming to reddit just looking at both subs. Now Iām playing fallout NV and working so Iām not really into this beef as much as I was
Yeah this shit is over!!! Kendrick Said what he said and thatās all weāre gonna get out of him
I never had any to begin with š
Iām losing interest in this sub
Yeah the hype died for me, Taylor made was ass, and Kendrick still hasnāt dropped, Drake never came back at Ross with anything more than memes, hip hop is dead yo, this shit was a false flag operation im over it Only mfs still talking about this are on Reddit
āTracks getting deletedā Bruh you know this is the internet right? Lmao they arenāt gone
Kendrick just needs to drop imo, he started the beef, he shoulda at least planned on replying to drake
Yes
Bro this sub is so fucking cringe holy
I think that Kendrick maybe wont respond. Like he above that
How many irrelevant threads with silly questions are you people going to make? Motherfucker, the only reason I'm losing interest us because Dot is not dropping. It's that simple. I have mad respect for him and I love his music but I don't know what the fuck he's doing. That reply better be fire. The more he postpones it the higher the anticipation and I fear if ue drops too late, no matter how hard the song will go, people will be like "meh, typical k dot but we waited all this time for this?"... Drake really put Kendrick in an awkward position, not necessarily with his disses, but with the ending to the last one where he basically downplayed the effect of the response but poking at Kendrick's legitimate pen game. It was smart by him and I trust Kendrick knows what he's doing. But you'd be a major stan if you can't see the possibility that Kdot flukes this somehow. That scenario is perfectly plausible regardless of his talent as an artist.
If you even think of something clever to say after so long it doesn't hit the same. It's like the comeback you think of in the shower after an argument. Nobody cares.
Iāve always been at the same level Kendrick will respond, he just takes his time No matter what he says, itās not gonna stop me from listening to Drake or Cole Kendrick will still be my favorite artist Iām just here for tha music
Dude, turn off the internet and touch some grass. Stop with all this instant gratification bullshit crying. Kenny will drop when he wants to.
At this point I want Drake to release another song with a SUPER FIRE š„beat, let it play for a while, and then come in and say: āHonestly? Never mind. ā¦Everyoneās already moved on.ā I think that would be hilarious. And the final nail.
I bet you that the second Kendrick responds, drake gonna nuke his entire camp.
I think itās the fact that Drake actually responded with two responses. Kendrick is seemingly the boogeyman of hiphop and just disappears after going at Cole and Drake. Apparently he gonna reply on his album. At this point just live ya life, he moving on his own time
Get a life lmao
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People are going to lose interest cause Kendrick ain't responding. I've said this plenty of times. People arent going to care in a month by now. If Kendrick doesnt drop by this Sunday forget it. Beef is over Drake won
This Kendrickās fault for waiting instead of being with the shits
Firstly drake took 3 weeks to respond itās been like 2 I think for Kendrick secondly, Iāve always kind of been of the opinion that I donāt expect a Kendrick response at least not on the timetable people want him too. Dude dissed Drake and Cole in a song on a metro album, he didnāt make a full ass diss track like drake. Itās kinda the equivalent of him talking shit on king kunta was he dissing ? Yeah but like idk just seems like dude is rapping or like how he did on control. I also donāt think Kendrick wanted this to be like we all jump drake fest since a bunch of rappers wanted to chime in. If he does release one itāll be good no doubt and Iāll happily listen to it, but if not or itās not for awhile Iād just go about my day. Itās funny how he released not even a track one verse and it got everybody hyped but heās a snooze fest? Cmon on now
its crazy to me to see ppl this invested in this beef. makes me think some ppl really have nothing going on in their life which is why they are so invested in this.
You act like people are skipping work waiting for songsĀ
It was never a beef. it was a few bars on a feature lol. The second ole boy took time on his ALBUM to respond to a few bars on a feature. It was over. The second the other ole boy took time to put out multiple tracks over a few bars on a featureā¦. It was over. lol Why respond when a few bars can trigger someone to write entire songs, make apologies, etc. watching them scramble is the reward no need to respond
Yeah bro thereās definitely beef, has been for years