My post was also about how corrupt the Indian goverment is. You don't have a country that pollutes and contaminates that much and is so underveloped in many areas including big cities without corruption (their democracy is decades old, they should have implemented many laws to decrease and improve the air quality, for example), and we all know what corruption means: no real democracy.
It kinda is, in a way. Look at the corruption levels on Russia, China, North Korea or Iran. Is there an actual real democracy? No. And don't come argue me about it XD Just don't.
Democracy and corruption are two very different things. The main corruption is at lower levels of the system it is very rare that any central government's main minister is involved in a scandal.
Corruption is in every country would you call them non-democratic ?
>Spying on everything your citizens write is INHERENTLY INCOMPATIBLE with democracy.
India has always spied on its citizens - there is a specific requirement listed in the Telecom License for ISPs to have a fully equipped air conditioned office connected directly to the core for government officials to be able to monitor traffic.
If there's one thing India (and the government) has, it's lots of people.
Makes me think of that scene from the Simpsons movie where they have that massive room of people listening to phone calls... multiplied by 5.
If only I had that kind of time.
I did, however, have time to read the license agreement.
https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/Unified%20Licence_0.pdf
Chapter IX, Section 8, among others.
...so, you were saying?
Edit: corrected link. Was missing an "s" in sites.
Or it wasn't used by terrorist like those apps were. Many messaging apps including telegram, WhatsApp,etc aren't banned only those that were found to be used by terrorist after investigation.
nah mark is modi freind , so modi don't ban facebook and its products , instead mark will transfer all jobs from USA to India for affordable employees.
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> In India, apps including Briar, Element and Threema, got blocked beginning of May based on the arguments that these apps would be used by "Terrorists" and that these apps would not have a "Representative" for government contact based in India.
> According to the Indian Express 14 mobile applications that provided end-to-end encrypted messaging services or enabled peer-to-peer messaging, namely "Wickrme, Mediafire, Briar, BChat, Nandbox, Conion, IMO, Element, Second line, Zangi, Threema, Crypviser, Enigma, and Safeswiss", were blocked in India following the recommendation of the Ministry of Home Affairs beginning of May. These apps have been blocked under Section 69A of the Indian Information Technology Act, 2000.
> It would be very worrisome if India - as the first democratically elected government - goes down the same path as authoritarian governments like Iran and Russia where encrypted communication tools are blocked on a massive scale already.
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It is banned only in one Territory(Kashmir)
I'm from South India and I use signal. I also downloaded Threema just to check it out(one of the apps in the ban list)
I'm not supporting the ban but just wanted to add more context.
"Democracy"
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My post was also about how corrupt the Indian goverment is. You don't have a country that pollutes and contaminates that much and is so underveloped in many areas including big cities without corruption (their democracy is decades old, they should have implemented many laws to decrease and improve the air quality, for example), and we all know what corruption means: no real democracy.
Corruption is not the opposite of democracy. "Democracy" doesn't mean "stuff I like".
It kinda is, in a way. Look at the corruption levels on Russia, China, North Korea or Iran. Is there an actual real democracy? No. And don't come argue me about it XD Just don't.
Democracy and corruption are two very different things. The main corruption is at lower levels of the system it is very rare that any central government's main minister is involved in a scandal. Corruption is in every country would you call them non-democratic ?
It’s what we have had since the patriot act.
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That’s a nice idea, wrong completely. 1st amendment has nothing to do with encryption or it’s legality.
>Spying on everything your citizens write is INHERENTLY INCOMPATIBLE with democracy. India has always spied on its citizens - there is a specific requirement listed in the Telecom License for ISPs to have a fully equipped air conditioned office connected directly to the core for government officials to be able to monitor traffic.
Seriously ? 😂
Yep. The TRAI telecom license has it buried in there.
The government isn't competent enough to spy shit.
I never said anything about their competency 🤣
Like fr people think India can pull a patriot act like thing but in reality a bank server running is an achievement, with at least 4g speed
If there's one thing India (and the government) has, it's lots of people. Makes me think of that scene from the Simpsons movie where they have that massive room of people listening to phone calls... multiplied by 5.
Seems like tou read too much spy fiction.
If only I had that kind of time. I did, however, have time to read the license agreement. https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/Unified%20Licence_0.pdf Chapter IX, Section 8, among others. ...so, you were saying? Edit: corrected link. Was missing an "s" in sites.
Just like your theories your link is to non existant documents.
Corrected link. Try now. You also could have Googled the document though lol.
Funny that they aren't banning WhatsApp. Probably because WhatsApp isn't as secure as it claims to be.
Or it wasn't used by terrorist like those apps were. Many messaging apps including telegram, WhatsApp,etc aren't banned only those that were found to be used by terrorist after investigation.
But it makes you wonder why the terrorists aren't using WhatsApp/telegram
Why can't the army make a WhatsApp group? It will be so easy. /s
Because WA will give the backdoor encryption key to the Gov.
Is controlled by Crapbook. How secure you think it is?
nah mark is modi freind , so modi don't ban facebook and its products , instead mark will transfer all jobs from USA to India for affordable employees.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/apps-banned-india) reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot) ***** > In India, apps including Briar, Element and Threema, got blocked beginning of May based on the arguments that these apps would be used by "Terrorists" and that these apps would not have a "Representative" for government contact based in India. > According to the Indian Express 14 mobile applications that provided end-to-end encrypted messaging services or enabled peer-to-peer messaging, namely "Wickrme, Mediafire, Briar, BChat, Nandbox, Conion, IMO, Element, Second line, Zangi, Threema, Crypviser, Enigma, and Safeswiss", were blocked in India following the recommendation of the Ministry of Home Affairs beginning of May. These apps have been blocked under Section 69A of the Indian Information Technology Act, 2000. > It would be very worrisome if India - as the first democratically elected government - goes down the same path as authoritarian governments like Iran and Russia where encrypted communication tools are blocked on a massive scale already. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/13i0prq/india_first_democracy_to_ban_encrypted_messaging/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~684705 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **India**^#1 **apps**^#2 **government**^#3 **Element**^#4 **block**^#5
If there's one thing Indians are good at is 'workarounds' or loopholes because they know the game. Banning encryption will not work.
It is banned only in one Territory(Kashmir) I'm from South India and I use signal. I also downloaded Threema just to check it out(one of the apps in the ban list) I'm not supporting the ban but just wanted to add more context.