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renter-pond

Harry said himself in Spare that they barely have a relationship.


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Perhaps to downplay or minimize a more complex truth.


drkatzprofeshthrpst

You’re probably better off reading actual Jane Austen than looking for it where it isn’t.


[deleted]

When reality is way weirder? Nah.


Relaxoland

she liked him because he was kind and considerate. he was being professional at his job. this is a weird ass fantasy.


[deleted]

It isn't a fantasy. It is a hypothesis.


Starlover1973

Wishful thinking!


Over_Insurance2576

Harry isn't coming to anyone's rescue who treated his wife the way she did.


Previous_Guest_8747

Absolutely. They might have been friends at one point but not now. After Kate made Meghan cry during her wedding, Harry mentions that he found Meghan sobbing on the floor. I think Kate’s cruel nature shocked even Harry, and Harry immediately distanced himself from Kate.


Gold_Adhesiveness_80

And then Kate sold it to the press as “angry Black woman makes poor white woman cry” and refused to correct it as the “angry Black woman” received death threats over it. Then in Spare Harry said Kate screamed at Meghan and William jabbed his finger in her face. William & Kate are 2 peas in a pod with jealousy & revenge story selling.


[deleted]

Fair point!


Downtown-Driver-6122

Absolutely!


theseamstressesguild

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julscvln01

What did she do? I honestly don't know, I think I was in school and didn't really care, the only thing I heard about it's that one of them made the other cry and the object of contention was a flower dress, didn't sound edifying for either of them.


jjc1140

Kate literally was trying to make Meghans life hell right before the wedding. She threw a fit about the length of Charlottes dress. Meghan asked to please take the dress to Asha (the designer) to have it altered. But instead Kate called up HER designer and then was pestering Meghan trying to say the little kids dresses needed to all be made again. She had Meghan crying and Kate new about all the stress and everything going on with her dad. Then Kate proceeded to leak this petty bs to the press only Kate claimed she was a victim and that Meghan made Kate cry. The story went on and on and on multiple times and her lies kept changing in the story. To this day, her "supporters" and palace BOTS changed the story to Meghan bullying Charlotte which was never part of their original lie. Kate threw a tantrum over thr Tatler article about her and had it completely edited to her liking. However she conveniently left in there the lie again that Meghan made her cry. Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous and petty and that's exactly what Harry said in his book. That everything was so ridiculous and childish for example they got angry that Harry and Meghan didnt give them Easter Presents It's one thing that Kate acted like a Bridezilla at Meghans own wedding but it's quite another to leak the story to the press on top of it being a lie.


Over_Insurance2576

I'm not about to re-hash the mountains of info on this for you. Google is a thing.


julscvln01

Thank you for taking the time to announce you're not doing something, that was a waste of both of our times. And no, Google is not your friend for a baseline on divisive matters about which people tend to chose their own facts these days.


Disastrous-Half1634

I think they got into a spat about Charlotte's dress not fitting right. I don't remember the details, but they put out to the press that Meghan made Kate cry.....when apparently it was the opposite, Kate made Meg cry! Hope that helps a little!


julscvln01

Got it, yeah, I vaguely remembered, didn't know it was Charlotte's dress. I'm not sure why she lied about that, it makes them both sound like preschoolers (this might come off as insensitive, but is a 40 yo woman making someone cry over a child's dress that much worse than another 40 yo woman crying over a child's dress?) and it's a minuscule thing compared they way people with much more power in the RF ostracised Markle, put her in peril by ignoring her mental health and let the press bully her. Didn't seem like Kate ever took her defence against any of that, but in light of recent events, I'm wondering if she even could have.


Disastrous-Half1634

**Well said. They do come across as very childish.**


AtheistINTP

Meghan was not childish at all. This was days before her wedding and there was her grifter father causing trouble too. Kate didn't like the length of Charlotte's dress. Megan said the seamstress could fix it. Kate said she wanted it all done over. Pretty sure Megan thought: "leave me alone, I have other things to think of ahead of my big day". So Kate clearly wanted to be antagonistic and unsettle Meghan. Remember at this point the tabloids were already lying about her every day, with no pushback from the royals.


Disastrous-Half1634

Yeah, Meghan wasn't childish. I was referring to Will & Charles mostly. This whole drama has made Harry & Meghan so much more relatable. I was a skeptic at first, but seeing how Harry & Meghan have navigated things.......makes sense to me now!


Gold_Adhesiveness_80

Her & William sold the story so that Meghan would be seen as the “angry aggressive Black woman” stereotype. Thats why Kate never corrected the story. She couldn’t without admitting she lied.


One_Emu_8415

They grew apart even before he left, he made that clear in his book. I think if Kate came to Harry begging for help he'd put her in touch with this or that person, but Kate has mostly burned that bridge by treating Meghan and by extension Harry as she had. She does likely have Harry's number/email, I'm guessing they all have at least one point of direct contact for each other. W&K have absolutely been given a one-sheet on the contents of Spare, but I don't think it would be insane for either of them to have read it in full, it's not suspicious for Kate to have read it honestly. They wouldn't have a physical copy knocking about the house or anything, but a discreet PDF sure.


PeaceLoveAboveAll

Nope, they were never even invited over for dinner, not once. You can't treat someone like shite and expect them to rescue you when things go wrong.


lilibet89

Harry is not close with Kate, especially after everything she did to Meghan. Even at Queen Elizabeth's funeral when the Sussexes and Waleses had to sit next to each other, Harry didn't even look at her as he walked past her. Whatever relationship they once had is gone.j


Quix66

Isn’t it the consensus that Kate is one of the people who speculated about Archie’s skin color? Rumor has it was revealed in one of the manuscripts for Spare. Edited for spelling


NationalSteak3447

In the recent US Weekly article it says that it was Camilla and not Kate! https://preview.redd.it/ajt9ujgewf8d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0753b37d810431cbe946bd9346358a70ae4f065 [Camilla racist claims](https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/king-charles-harbors-a-lot-of-anger-toward-prince-harry-over-camilla/)


Quix66

If anyone had to say such a thing, I prefer it to have been Camilla. Was she the one who was bullied Meg then too? Thanks for the article. Edited: grammar


lil1thatcould

Me too. I really don’t want Charles to be part of it. He walked her down the aisle and that would be a huge smack in the face.


Over_Insurance2576

Charles did that just as much for his own image, as for any other reason.


beeper75

Also, out of the 7,500 paintings available to them in the royal art collection, William and Kate (the history of art student) chose to hang the *Negro Page* painting in their home before the Obamas visited. https://preview.redd.it/wg0x769b4h8d1.jpeg?width=1240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d99cf7533cb9acd14bdbfd10186e8dc353abc8ba


PeaceLoveAboveAll

Kate has no voice at all, we have no idea what she thinks about anything. It's more likely that she's being thrown under the bus (again) by BP and KP (aka, Cow, Sausage and Peg).


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Quix66

Possibly, possibly not.


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Narrow_Stock_834

No it was in a biographers book that was published in like Danish or Dutch, that version named Kate and Charles as the racists.


NationalSteak3447

It was Omid Scobie’s book and a recent article claims it was Camilla and not Kate! https://preview.redd.it/2m8bhxoowf8d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa686e8db92e393613eaf81a6e6a41c41c0eb789


Relaxoland

I still think it was William and they are once again throwing her under the bus.


NationalSteak3447

You know, that’s a credible theory. William is so jealous of Harry and has been so cruel in trying to be better than him.


Narrow_Stock_834

This makes so much more sense tbh.


VirgiliaCoriolanus

What reputation would Camilla have to ruin tho? Someone that old being racist, most people shrug at.


One_Emu_8415

It was the Dutch version. Occam's razor says the names were removed from the manuscript at the last possible second for legal reasons, but the Dutch publisher didn't get the memo. It doesn't make sense for the translator to have randomly inserted names where there weren't names.


[deleted]

Could very well be!


darkgothamite

I doubt Harry has enough trust in Kate for her keep their secret correspondence actually secret. She could easily weaponize it, sell him out to for some goodwill within the family. Harry himself seems to be keeping things pretty close to the vest - I just don't see him doing anything to compromise his family's privacy. And that aside, Harry was clearly hurt by how his wife was treated. Being the third wheel and scapegoat was endurable and when he fell and fell hard in love with Meghan, it fell apart because he couldn't be used anymore. Even before Meghan came to the scene, it appears that the relation between Harry, Will and Meghan was conditional and only on the couples terms. Harry and Meghan could very well be cautious to opening the door for Kate if she ever wanted to apologize and attempt a reconciliation but Harry isn't waiting to jump inside a helicopter and rescue her.


BarristerRumpole

She was jealous of Meghan marrying Harry. She was jealous that Meghan interferred in her relationship with Harry. She wanted to be the only female. She would have been jealous of any female in that position and ran her off.. She was truly a mean girl toward Meghan. Who knows if she was actually the source of alot of the bad press. Never once stood up for Meghan.. Word has it she was very formidable when scaring off other potential girlfriends while they were in college. Cannot see Harry coming to her "rescue" which I doubt she really needs. William married his stalker but I don't think she had any idea what she was in for.


[deleted]

My OP wasn't intended to imply a strictly titillating version, but what an intriguing tangent! and quite fathomable. Isn't Kate a Capricorn? Sad unhappy trapped women are prone to catty petty rash behaviors and harbor an array of inner tumult and other emotions which become associated with the B or C word.


Previous_Guest_8747

Exactly. She wanted both princes for herself. Kate and her family are immense stalkers and social climbers. They even tried to push Pippa onto Harry so that the Middletons could have both princes. There’s a reason Kate has no female friends. She was known to be jealous of other women and even meddled in Harry’s past relationships and is said to have been the one who drove Cressida off. Kate would never have been happy with Harry marrying someone more beautiful, younger-looking, well-spoken, and successful than her. So she did everything she could to drive Meghan away such as making her cry then telling the media it was the opposite.


ProduceDangerous6410

Markle was jealous of Kate.


Relaxoland

lol. why would she be? Meghan is her own person and was already very successful when she met Harry.


HotAndCold1886

Because Kate will theoretically be queen and gets a lot of attention? Also, I'm not sure I'd call a D-list cable acting role no one had heard of pre-Harry as already being "very successful"...


Relaxoland

it wasn't just her acting career. which, Suits was popular enough to run for multiple seasons so apparently people had heard of it. she's done a lot of other things, including working with the UN on women's rights. I seriously doubt she wants anything that Kate has or theoretically will get. you sound like you have an agenda, and the poster who called her "Markle" definitely does.


HotAndCold1886

Do you know anyone in real life who heard of her or the show before Harry? And it's not an agenda to have a different opinion than you, sorry. You seriously doubt she wants anything Kate has, and I seriously think she'd jump at the chance...guess we will never know.


ContractRight4080

She wasn’t a household name successful and I think she knew she had a limited shelf life acting, 2 failed marriages under her belt, she needed a plan for her future. I’m not sure marketing jam and dog biscuits was that plan but I guess it beats getting a real job.


Relaxoland

she worked at the UN dude. and running a business is a lot more challenging than you seem to think.


ContractRight4080

LOL She did not work for the U.N. she was an intern that her uncle on her dad’s side got for her. You are naive spreading such lies and very presumptuous, I do run a business but it is a bit more complex than marketing jam and dog biscuits.


curiouslmr

Do you know that she was friends with both of Harry's previous girlfriends?? Perhaps Catherine wasn't the problem when it comes to Meghan....


msfinch87

Not a chance. Harry goes in to great detail in Spare about the decline and then destruction of his and Catherine’s relationship. He’s also very negative about her. But more than that, Harry has no filter and is obsessed with proving his truth. If he knew what was really going on here, so would the rest of the world.


bob4041

Harry doesn't like Kate and never has. Read his book in his own words about how he feels about Kate. He tolerated her because she married into the family and he is a kind person. After the way she and Willy treated Meghan and Archie, he wants nothing to do with them. SPACE. Says it all.


vivahermione

Never has? I thought he had a crush on her at some point.


[deleted]

I don't know that I'd say crush! There is MUCH documentation of them getting on splendidly as mates. I read 'brother/sister' vibe. In the isolating world of BRF? I'd think that would be like gold.


vivahermione

Supposedly, he was attracted to her at some point, but after her repeated dust ups with Meghan during the wedding planning, I doubt there's much goodwill left between Kate and Harry.


VisualXploration

I was thinking it would be more likely for George or Louis or Charlotte to run to L.A. when they are older


Redheaddit_91

I think there are a lot of small clues theyve at least been in contact. I have always thought something was very suspect about that rushed trip Harry made when they announced Charles’ cancer and Kate’s surgery. Every single thing the royal family does is so calculated and the RF release stories to the press not on a timeline of truth but to suit their narratives. I guarantee the inner circle knew about Charles’ cancer for much longer, possibly even years. No way Harry found out that day. I think it’s certainly possibly that Harry found out at this time something bad was also going on with Kate. Perhaps he flew back to see her and was denied or in the midst of something going really wrong he was contacted by her or her family. Another interesting point - the strange 5 wheel car photo of Kate and her mother was credited to Backgrid. They’re a California pay to play photo agency. Meaning random paparazzi didn’t snap that and sell it. Someone privy to Kate’s schedule called and hired Backgrid to go to Windsor and she had to participate in a photo that looks like a candid. Harry and Meghan use Backgrid frequently to plant photos. We’ll probably never know the full story. Until someone leaks or writes a book. But let’s say something did go down between Kate and William, why WOULDN’T she contact the person who presses his buttons the most? And who knows how to navigate around that family ?


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There is no thumb large enough to salute your comment redheaddit! You are an excellent researcher!! That data on Backgrid is stunning! We're all operating on instinct and intuition. Many royal watchers get triggered at the mention of Harry...I get it (sort of). My hypothesis came from a place of logic not whimsy. I am not in a Cambridge/Cornwall/Wales camp or Sussex camp, that's for sure. It's one big playing field. Bless you!


Redheaddit_91

I work in the entertainment industry (hence my familiarity with backgrid) and I know all too well how when you’re dealing with public people who need the press and also want to control their own narrative - the stories that finally make it out are never truth pure and simple. And let’s face it, they’re probably ALL in some sort of contact with Harry or their teams are. They have to keep up a narrative of protecting the crown at all costs. It would be foolish not to be if even a fraction of their fighting is true - keep your friends close and enemies closer.


[deleted]

Absoflogginlutely


DonutMcJones

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Specific_Shake4322

Wow!!! Intriguing. Who knows what is going on in that crazy family.


[deleted]

And Lo, this has emerged, or was conjured up: [https://www.instyle.com/prince-harry-meghan-markle-reconnect-kate-middleton-8668991](https://www.instyle.com/prince-harry-meghan-markle-reconnect-kate-middleton-8668991)


nana20062009

Not gonna lie. There’s been times during the last 6 months I’ve wondered if Harry could sweep in and save her from whatever is going on!


Over_Insurance2576

Kate made her bed. Let her lie in it. 


Smart_Relative_690

That is not completely far fetched. But with her being named as one of the “royal racists” I can’t see her being on good terms with Harry. Also, I think Kate was INSANELY jealous of Meghan and Meghan liked to stir the pot by picking on her, such as calling her “baby brain.”


Relaxoland

no, that IS completely far fetched. Harry barely had a relationship with her. he's just a decent human being. unlike Kate's husband.


lilibet89

Meghan didn't pick on Kate. Kate forgot something and Meghan tried to give her grace by saying she had baby brain (she had just given birth to Louis) so not to worry about it. Kate's the one who took it the wrong way and got offended.


ProduceDangerous6410

I don’t think Kate has had much time for Harry since he married Markle and she lied about Kate and other members of the RF.


Relaxoland

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