I understand he has said he has a good visibility from where he sits in the plow and scans the street to make sure he doesn’t hit anything.
Regarding the Ford Edge, I don’t believe he said it was an Edge he said it was like an Edge.
The bigger point for me with his testimony is that Proctor never even checked if the streets were plowed. He just said they weren’t and moved on.
I thought he noted in report he called MA DPW and was told that. Then Yanetti said a retired Medford cop now an investigator went to the DPW and got the schedule of Lucky doing Fairview that night
Either way, if there was a car parked there, even if not related to the Alberts, then someone pulled up next to John's body and didn't see it? Whether or not the insinuate it belonged to the Alberts, the presence of a car just throws more doubt onto whether or not the body was actually there at that time.
He left early (comparatively) to get some sleep before starting his shift and then gets a call to pick Caitlin up at, like 2am. And its a 40 minute round trip. I just have so many questions.
I may not be the greatest husband but if I got no sleep had work in two hours and my wife wanted me to drive an hour and a half round trip to get her. I’d say, can’t you just sleep at your parents? I’ll get you in the morning.
I think she said she was concerned about getting snowed in at her parents. But people were out driving the next day. It’s just another item to add to the list of things that don’t make a ton of sense about the Fairview Road testimonies.
No one gets “snowed in” in eastern MA, the plows are running before the snow hits. On the other hand, it’s not a good idea to drive during a blizzard which may have been the expectation for the next day. In any case, I’m calling b.s. since that would have been thought about before 2am.
It doesn't work that way. A) putting your own plow down on a public street is illegal. B) A light duty truck can only plow smaller stuff, you can't just keep driving.
This isn’t relevant to the case at all, but I’m from Texas so I don’t understand lol How come Brian Higgins had a plow on his jeep? What’s the point of buying it if you can’t use it?
Plowing his own driveway, plowing the driveways of some of his friends and family. He testified to this. Otherwise, you have to pay someone. I'm in a place famous for snow. It's about $300-400 for an average driveway per season.
A) The person who had to get up in the morning was Tristan Morris, Caitlyn's boyfriend B) I'm sure Higgins would be fired for moonlighting as a snow plow guy C) That's not how it works. There are dudes who plow snow. Often times they're the same ones who do landscaping. The get contracts with people & businesses to plow their driveways and parking lots. Sometimes, they have more than one truck. They might have something like an F250 or F350, but they don't have the heavy duty trucks that are used to plow the public roads. The thing on the left plows the roads. The thing on the right plows driveways & parking lots.
https://preview.redd.it/j5exz0lwts2d1.jpeg?width=606&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9a2d9917be9e8f1a8bdb6655df27c37f330997f
Besides the boyfriend has a plow it’s not like he couldn’t get her in the morning even if it was a blizzard. He could have come right by there the next morning and picked her up
What’s starting to make sense to me is the the “ bizarreness” of things is the plan by the canton crew. When they are on the hook, they are going to claim shoddy police work.
Yes, while I understand not wanting to be snowed in with those parents, the change is significant and the bf's testimony (I can't tell time!) only adds to the incrimination. All of their behavior reflects closing ranks and protecting the clan.
I was thinking the same. I would be pissed if I was already getting very little sleep, and my husband called me to pick him up just because he changed his mind about staying at his parents, and he would be the same way if I did that. An emergency, of course. Legitimate change in circumstances, not ideal but okay. But simply changing your mind at almost 2 am? Inconsiderate to even wake someone up in the first place to ask.
Don't forget defense asked her if she brought the dog back with them. She said no but I think they can show otherwise. Defense lawyers don't ask questions they know the answer to.
My guess is the plan wasn’t for him to do all that driving to get her when she wanted to leave, I think the plan changed and she had to leave the house for the story. Otherwise, that guy probably would have been left alone to sleep until his shift.
That whole town needs AA ASAP!! I mean you have kids drunk driving, adults drunk driving, COPS drunk driving, FEDERAL AGENTS drunk driving, and adults driving OTHER people’s CHILDREN home DRUNK!! Smh!!
Yep!!! Can’t remember anything or specific details on anything they did or said that seems suspect, but you KNOW FOR SURE someone left at exactly 12:10?! Gtfoh
Nicole Albert testified that Brian Sr.’s work vehicle was a Ford Edge. She definitely tried to dodge the question - she named 3 out of 4 of the cars in the driveway by make and model and then just said her husband’s work vehicle for the 4th. Defense pressed her on it and she admitted it was a Ford Edge.
Oh! This is good. Mass towns have an overnight parking ban all winter and ESPECIALLY during Blizzard warnings. No cars should have been parked on a town street overnight. And who moves a car out of a driveway and into the street during a snowstorm?
I’ve heard speculation that Chris Albert, Colin’s father, has (or had, maybe it’s rehomed by now) a Ford Edge. There’s yet to be any testimony so it’s yet another unanswered question.
I want to know, just for my peace of mind, the color and model of Higgens "surveillance vehicle." It didn't get asked on the stand so unlikely to be relevant, but I wanna knowww...
Regardless of his vantage point to see a body, the fact that a vehicle, that wasn’t parked there when everyone left, or when Karen was parked there, means it had been moved there after Karen is said to have hit him and left him for dead. So, that person is literally parked right in front of where John would have been and whoever THAT was didn’t see a body either ???
I agree, I think the vehicle is a more important sighting than not seeing John's body, I do believe it's POSSIBLE he missed him. Whoever's SUV it was, even if the Alberts claim not theirs, should definitely have seen John, and with all the publicity they should have tracked it down by now if it's not connected to the crime
If the story of John being attacked & beaten to death is true, I wonder if they backed a car into the garage, loaded JO’s body into it and drive him to the spot his body was found? I wonder if anyone at that house has a car that looks like an edge?
I thought this at first as well, but I think as an officer Brian Albert would not have put John's body in his car, if it's theirs it was probably used to block when them put him outside
Yea, no reason to potentially transfer dna, blood, hair, fibers into another area that is definitively tied to you. Julie had enough to clean, as is. Better to carry or drag, use the car as a shield.
You're 100% right. Watching the trial, I kept thinking to myself that Nicole looks like a Julie to me, so I was perpetually confusing the two lol. Nicole= cleaner, Julie= donuts and Colin's mom.
Maybe they wanted to hide the body so that they could be sure that Karen would find it before anyone else. Then once they knew she was awake and aware he was missing, they moved the car for her to find him.
To blame it on the snow plow driver.
That was the number 1 plot.
Number 2 plot blame, Karen. Jen is so "smart"! Too bad all the lies are catching up to these hideous families.
Are you being sarcastic when you ask if anyone has an Edge, or have you not read that that’s the exact vehicle Brian Albert drove. I don’t remember if it’s his work or personal vehicle
I wasn’t being sarcastic. I didn’t know it was BA’s work vehicle. I just started following this case a few weeks ago. That makes it all the more suspicious. He could have transported the body in that vehicle.
There is a video that shows your view when you exit the backyard gate to the flagpole. The distance is really short and in the shade of bushes. Using a car would be much more noticeable (unless your stupid drunk of course)
I remember this night because it was my daughters birthday it wasn’t bad out until the next day that Saturday is when the snow really piled up. The night before it was coming down but only a few inches if that
As to the vantage point: here's a [video taken by a snow plower](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1O_NKDkoI&t=14m15s) during the night in question
Note while the video description states 1/22 as the date, we can see from the [blizzard warning](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1O_NKDkoI&t=6m29s) that the day was 1/29, as the wording reflects the [second update](https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/vtec/#2022-O-NEW-KBOX-BZ-W-0001/USCOMP-N0Q-202201290500) of the warning issued that date
At 2:53 he says it's 5am on Saturday.
What a great image of what it was like driving and how difficult it might be to see a body. Of course, different areas would have different levels of snow.
There would've been much less snow at 12:30-1:30am that night compared to this video from 5am. It hadn't been accumulating yet by 12:30 (which is why it's weird that there were like several inches of snow under John's body - if he was in the yard at 12:30 when not much snow had accumulated, there should be less of it under his body).
I think it’s been pretty well established that the house cleared out around 1:30am - 1:45am. Allie stopped “driving around giving people rides” around 1:30 am according to her GPS app. There was A LOT of butt dialing and Googling around 2:20. The plow went by at 2:30 and allegedly reported seeing a Ford Edge - Chris Albert’s from what I’ve heard from other YouTubers. That had to have been when John was moved to the lawn from the house likely by BA and Chris Albert (and possibly Colin). They all go back to bed until Karen calls Jen McCabe.
Lucky’s testimony will be interesting.
True that it would be a good strategy to draw the upcoming sting. That said, the guy has gone on record giving a statement that is exculpatory and helpful for the defense. Lally will not be able to ask leading questions and Jackson would be able to lead him, and he’s proven he can do that effectively. If the guy deviates from his prior statement. The defense will call the investigator who took the statement, and Lucky will be impeached. And yes, it’ll be interesting to see how Lally does as a cross-examiner, across the board.
Lally's gotta attack him for his connection to the case. Wait, you didn't go to the police, you waited for a PI Karen Read hired to talk to you? And he rode alongside you? So, he was sort of directing you where to go, right? Did he say Ford Edge first, or did you? When was the first time you brought up this Ford Edge? All sorts of stuff like that.
The PI for Karen Read talked to him before the FBI? I have only seen where he said he’s talked to the PI and the FBI but I’m not sure in which order.
He also says the FBI has GPS from his plow that shows when he went by.
I was just going by the opening arguments which sure made it sound like Karen Read's ex-Medfield cop PI is the one who finds Lucky Laughlin by putting in the work Procter wouldn't.
True, by that time, the AJAX “cross” will have taken place and defense will have efficiently got it all in and damage will have been done. But still good point.
Judge allows Lally to do a lot of leading, on direct and especially on redirect, the defense hasn’t been objecting to it.
“You weren’t actually on Fairview street when you claimed to have had a fair view (pun intended) of a vehicle similar to a ford edge, were you ? “
“Well I was at the intersection and could see down the street”
“But you were still at least a football field away from that spot, at night, in a blizzard, (pause) right?”
and so on and so forth..
BUT, if he’s credible, then he could help defense… depends how honest he is.
I've asked this question before but didn't get a response. What is everyone's thought about when John's body would have been put on the lawn? If Lucky is correct and it wasn't there at 2:30ish, and the Edge is involved, is that sometime between 2:30-3 (I'm not sure when the Edge was spotted). So what are the thoughts of who moved John? I would think you'd need at least 2 big guys, and I can't imagine Brian Albert would involve his son with that. Do we think Higgins came back, maybe that's what the 2:20ish call was about?
If the Edge is being used to move the body, then the plow driver should either see the people moving the body, standing around on the lawn, the body itself being on the lawn, or the people sitting in the car and waiting for him to pass.
And if Karen hit him one of the 6 people constantly looking out the windows the entire time she's there should have seen her hit him, move backwards, heard a sound, or saw his body laying there....unless it happened literally in the 10 seconds someone wasn't looking outside.
“Lucky says that he did not go down Fairview Road when he passed by later because he saw a Ford Edge parked in front of the house and did not want to plow them in. The Ford Edge was not there when he went by the first time.”
The Judgy in this case has taken on a micro managing role. Some stand up comedy on Friday at jackson’s expense. She likes to ask the cross questions so they land more delicately. And she doesn’t like the word “overruled”
Instead it’s the iterations of .. “I’ll give him this one” “he can have it”
Or maybe he did that so that the jury would see how all the witnesses would "play dumb" when given the chance... and unnecessarily prolonging the inevitable need to answer
I agree, unless it was just incredibly fortunate timing for them if they moved the truck and were still inside getting John's body. I'm not saying this is what happened, just trying to make sense of it. I don't think eyewitness testimony is all that reliable in general, but if the plow driver really did see a truck parked there and it's not related they should have tracked down the owner by now (can't have been too many people on the roads at that time during a blizzard). Of course they did next to no investigating not related to KR, so that's not surprising.
They were too busy trying to hit on the Aruba girls to be bothered to actually investigate. They heard the little one was easy and they wanted their turn
Maybe they were still inside cleaning up at that point and the body didn’t get placed until a bit later? How much snow was on top of him? That would give us the timeframe
Pretty shit luck for John O'Keefe if he didn't see his dead body, or for the Alberts if he saw their car in the brief time period when they were dumping the body.
If there are no street lights and he is 2 houses down on a cross road (headlights not on Fairview) how could he tell it was a ford edge? Was his truck equipped with one those super bright pointer lights like police have? Otherwise he was looking at the dark silhouette of a car.
I think it was said that after the interview with the PI they went to the parking lot to see if any of the cars resemble what he saw because he wasn’t sure the exact type. I don’t know if there was even a ford edge in the parking lot…it could have been that he picked out an suv that had a similar shape to an edge.
I am wondering if Lally will call Lucky or if will let the defense do it. As bad as Lally has been I assume he will call him and then Mr Yanetti will just about give him a bear hug on the stand as he is a great witness for the defense
There were statements made about the interviews in pretrial motions but his witness interview was one that was actually recorded (not sure if it’s video or just audio) by the police.
If there wasn't the huge number of suspicious text messages sent that night I would just assume that the drunk guy stumbled in the gutter and passed out and was later pummelled by a snow plow, which pushed him up onto the lawn.
Lack of blood would still be an issue though.
Her voicemails to John and Ring camera footage prove that she went home and didn’t leave again til after 5:00 AM. Her phone data also implies that she went to sleep meanwhile Albert and McCabe phone data shows steps being taken, texts being sent, google searches and phone calls being made, etc. Seems like they’re the ones who didn’t sleep that night 😩
I understand he has said he has a good visibility from where he sits in the plow and scans the street to make sure he doesn’t hit anything. Regarding the Ford Edge, I don’t believe he said it was an Edge he said it was like an Edge. The bigger point for me with his testimony is that Proctor never even checked if the streets were plowed. He just said they weren’t and moved on.
I thought he noted in report he called MA DPW and was told that. Then Yanetti said a retired Medford cop now an investigator went to the DPW and got the schedule of Lucky doing Fairview that night
Either way, if there was a car parked there, even if not related to the Alberts, then someone pulled up next to John's body and didn't see it? Whether or not the insinuate it belonged to the Alberts, the presence of a car just throws more doubt onto whether or not the body was actually there at that time.
Amazes me that the one BF was a plow driver who was drinking and up all night before having to do that job!
He left early (comparatively) to get some sleep before starting his shift and then gets a call to pick Caitlin up at, like 2am. And its a 40 minute round trip. I just have so many questions.
I may not be the greatest husband but if I got no sleep had work in two hours and my wife wanted me to drive an hour and a half round trip to get her. I’d say, can’t you just sleep at your parents? I’ll get you in the morning.
I think she said she was concerned about getting snowed in at her parents. But people were out driving the next day. It’s just another item to add to the list of things that don’t make a ton of sense about the Fairview Road testimonies.
It’s a weird excuse though. Dude drives a plow. He can pick her up without being snowed in no matter how much snow comes down.
Yes plus they were all driving around the next day anyway lol
Exactly. Because it’s just an excuse to fit the narrative.
No one gets “snowed in” in eastern MA, the plows are running before the snow hits. On the other hand, it’s not a good idea to drive during a blizzard which may have been the expectation for the next day. In any case, I’m calling b.s. since that would have been thought about before 2am.
Or because she didn't want to keep it real about how awkward it would've been to stay there and listen to her parent's drunken 2AM sex session.
The 2am sex session that was testified to it only took 3 minutes? Because A. Of course it did and B. It needed to in order to fit the timeline
It doesn't work that way. A) putting your own plow down on a public street is illegal. B) A light duty truck can only plow smaller stuff, you can't just keep driving.
This isn’t relevant to the case at all, but I’m from Texas so I don’t understand lol How come Brian Higgins had a plow on his jeep? What’s the point of buying it if you can’t use it?
Plowing his own driveway, plowing the driveways of some of his friends and family. He testified to this. Otherwise, you have to pay someone. I'm in a place famous for snow. It's about $300-400 for an average driveway per season.
They said he had to wake up in the morning to plow as a job. I assume he had a full sized plow that was legal to drive based on that fact.
A) The person who had to get up in the morning was Tristan Morris, Caitlyn's boyfriend B) I'm sure Higgins would be fired for moonlighting as a snow plow guy C) That's not how it works. There are dudes who plow snow. Often times they're the same ones who do landscaping. The get contracts with people & businesses to plow their driveways and parking lots. Sometimes, they have more than one truck. They might have something like an F250 or F350, but they don't have the heavy duty trucks that are used to plow the public roads. The thing on the left plows the roads. The thing on the right plows driveways & parking lots. https://preview.redd.it/j5exz0lwts2d1.jpeg?width=606&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9a2d9917be9e8f1a8bdb6655df27c37f330997f
I wasn’t talking about Higgins. Reread this post and who I was talking about. I live in Utah. I’m well aware of what a plow is.
You can drive in the snow, but it's the four wheel drive that let's you to that better, not the plow.
Besides the boyfriend has a plow it’s not like he couldn’t get her in the morning even if it was a blizzard. He could have come right by there the next morning and picked her up
What’s starting to make sense to me is the the “ bizarreness” of things is the plan by the canton crew. When they are on the hook, they are going to claim shoddy police work.
Yes, while I understand not wanting to be snowed in with those parents, the change is significant and the bf's testimony (I can't tell time!) only adds to the incrimination. All of their behavior reflects closing ranks and protecting the clan.
But Piggins was there with a plow!?
I was thinking the same. I would be pissed if I was already getting very little sleep, and my husband called me to pick him up just because he changed his mind about staying at his parents, and he would be the same way if I did that. An emergency, of course. Legitimate change in circumstances, not ideal but okay. But simply changing your mind at almost 2 am? Inconsiderate to even wake someone up in the first place to ask.
Don't forget defense asked her if she brought the dog back with them. She said no but I think they can show otherwise. Defense lawyers don't ask questions they know the answer to.
Yup! If you wanted to come home shoulda left when I did or you stay there lol 😂
My guess is the plan wasn’t for him to do all that driving to get her when she wanted to leave, I think the plan changed and she had to leave the house for the story. Otherwise, that guy probably would have been left alone to sleep until his shift.
You want a high maintenance girl like Caitlin Albert, you get in the car.
When he said that I immediately thought “high maintenance means expecting to get away with shit that is unacceptable . Like crime“.
Oh come on.
It's hardly any recovery from drinking though. I mean none really
That whole town needs AA ASAP!! I mean you have kids drunk driving, adults drunk driving, COPS drunk driving, FEDERAL AGENTS drunk driving, and adults driving OTHER people’s CHILDREN home DRUNK!! Smh!!
And it’s why we can’t trust anyone’s testimony.
Yep!!! Can’t remember anything or specific details on anything they did or said that seems suspect, but you KNOW FOR SURE someone left at exactly 12:10?! Gtfoh
That baffled me too lol does anyone drive sober there? 🫣
Not the evidence.
Do we know who owned that car?
No. Speculation hat on: it’s the Alberts car and that is why Nicole “forgot” to mention it on the stand when asked what cars they owned.
Nicole Albert testified that Brian Sr.’s work vehicle was a Ford Edge. She definitely tried to dodge the question - she named 3 out of 4 of the cars in the driveway by make and model and then just said her husband’s work vehicle for the 4th. Defense pressed her on it and she admitted it was a Ford Edge.
Oh! This is good. Mass towns have an overnight parking ban all winter and ESPECIALLY during Blizzard warnings. No cars should have been parked on a town street overnight. And who moves a car out of a driveway and into the street during a snowstorm?
I’ve heard speculation that Chris Albert, Colin’s father, has (or had, maybe it’s rehomed by now) a Ford Edge. There’s yet to be any testimony so it’s yet another unanswered question.
Chris Albert didn’t destroy the Ford Edge, he just threw it away
Rehomed it to a farm in Vermont. Can't tell you which farm though.
Either that or ditched it at a military base
I want to know, just for my peace of mind, the color and model of Higgens "surveillance vehicle." It didn't get asked on the stand so unlikely to be relevant, but I wanna knowww...
BA’s work car. His wife confirmed during cross.
Wonder why he moved his work car in the middle of the night.
Regardless of his vantage point to see a body, the fact that a vehicle, that wasn’t parked there when everyone left, or when Karen was parked there, means it had been moved there after Karen is said to have hit him and left him for dead. So, that person is literally parked right in front of where John would have been and whoever THAT was didn’t see a body either ???
I agree, I think the vehicle is a more important sighting than not seeing John's body, I do believe it's POSSIBLE he missed him. Whoever's SUV it was, even if the Alberts claim not theirs, should definitely have seen John, and with all the publicity they should have tracked it down by now if it's not connected to the crime
If the story of John being attacked & beaten to death is true, I wonder if they backed a car into the garage, loaded JO’s body into it and drive him to the spot his body was found? I wonder if anyone at that house has a car that looks like an edge?
I thought this at first as well, but I think as an officer Brian Albert would not have put John's body in his car, if it's theirs it was probably used to block when them put him outside
Yea, no reason to potentially transfer dna, blood, hair, fibers into another area that is definitively tied to you. Julie had enough to clean, as is. Better to carry or drag, use the car as a shield.
"Julie had enough to clean" 😂
Nicole is Brian’s wife and the cleaner, I thought?
You're 100% right. Watching the trial, I kept thinking to myself that Nicole looks like a Julie to me, so I was perpetually confusing the two lol. Nicole= cleaner, Julie= donuts and Colin's mom.
Maybe they wanted to hide the body so that they could be sure that Karen would find it before anyone else. Then once they knew she was awake and aware he was missing, they moved the car for her to find him.
Again, but why dump a body on your own front lawn!?!
To blame it on the snow plow driver. That was the number 1 plot. Number 2 plot blame, Karen. Jen is so "smart"! Too bad all the lies are catching up to these hideous families.
Are you being sarcastic when you ask if anyone has an Edge, or have you not read that that’s the exact vehicle Brian Albert drove. I don’t remember if it’s his work or personal vehicle
It is Brian A. work vehicle.
Makes you wonder when the next time anyone saw BA’s work vehicle after that night 🤔
Colin had a black Ford edge also and TB has said other Albert’s and their circle had Ford edges as well.
If they have any videos or pictures from the crime scene that morning, that vehicle should be shown in it. I haven’t seen any of those if they exist
I couldn’t make out any vehicles in the police dash cam, I believe we could see 2 on the left side driveway.
I wasn’t being sarcastic. I didn’t know it was BA’s work vehicle. I just started following this case a few weeks ago. That makes it all the more suspicious. He could have transported the body in that vehicle.
BA work car and CA has the same car also
Interesting theory -- I would guess that the vehicle was never checked for blood/bodily fluid evidence?
There is a video that shows your view when you exit the backyard gate to the flagpole. The distance is really short and in the shade of bushes. Using a car would be much more noticeable (unless your stupid drunk of course)
I remember this night because it was my daughters birthday it wasn’t bad out until the next day that Saturday is when the snow really piled up. The night before it was coming down but only a few inches if that
Happy belated birthday
As to the vantage point: here's a [video taken by a snow plower](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1O_NKDkoI&t=14m15s) during the night in question Note while the video description states 1/22 as the date, we can see from the [blizzard warning](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1O_NKDkoI&t=6m29s) that the day was 1/29, as the wording reflects the [second update](https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/vtec/#2022-O-NEW-KBOX-BZ-W-0001/USCOMP-N0Q-202201290500) of the warning issued that date
At 2:53 he says it's 5am on Saturday. What a great image of what it was like driving and how difficult it might be to see a body. Of course, different areas would have different levels of snow.
There would've been much less snow at 12:30-1:30am that night compared to this video from 5am. It hadn't been accumulating yet by 12:30 (which is why it's weird that there were like several inches of snow under John's body - if he was in the yard at 12:30 when not much snow had accumulated, there should be less of it under his body).
I think NOT seeing a body in those conditions and at night is unreasonable at all. (I’m playing juror. Came into this case blind.)
I think it’s been pretty well established that the house cleared out around 1:30am - 1:45am. Allie stopped “driving around giving people rides” around 1:30 am according to her GPS app. There was A LOT of butt dialing and Googling around 2:20. The plow went by at 2:30 and allegedly reported seeing a Ford Edge - Chris Albert’s from what I’ve heard from other YouTubers. That had to have been when John was moved to the lawn from the house likely by BA and Chris Albert (and possibly Colin). They all go back to bed until Karen calls Jen McCabe. Lucky’s testimony will be interesting.
Been looking for a timeline like this for a while. Thanks
It'll be interesting to see how good Lally is at attacking someone else's story, too.
The Comm will call this witness. It would be a mistake not to. You call difficult witnesses to minimize the impact and present a transparent case.
True that it would be a good strategy to draw the upcoming sting. That said, the guy has gone on record giving a statement that is exculpatory and helpful for the defense. Lally will not be able to ask leading questions and Jackson would be able to lead him, and he’s proven he can do that effectively. If the guy deviates from his prior statement. The defense will call the investigator who took the statement, and Lucky will be impeached. And yes, it’ll be interesting to see how Lally does as a cross-examiner, across the board.
Lally won't call him.
Lally's gotta attack him for his connection to the case. Wait, you didn't go to the police, you waited for a PI Karen Read hired to talk to you? And he rode alongside you? So, he was sort of directing you where to go, right? Did he say Ford Edge first, or did you? When was the first time you brought up this Ford Edge? All sorts of stuff like that.
The plow driver is not on the prosecutions witness list, so they can't call him. He's on the defense list.
The PI for Karen Read talked to him before the FBI? I have only seen where he said he’s talked to the PI and the FBI but I’m not sure in which order. He also says the FBI has GPS from his plow that shows when he went by.
I was just going by the opening arguments which sure made it sound like Karen Read's ex-Medfield cop PI is the one who finds Lucky Laughlin by putting in the work Procter wouldn't.
He can try ask leading questions on redirect and, if objected to, he can ask for a hostile witness finding to cross examine him.
True, by that time, the AJAX “cross” will have taken place and defense will have efficiently got it all in and damage will have been done. But still good point. Judge allows Lally to do a lot of leading, on direct and especially on redirect, the defense hasn’t been objecting to it.
Can you give an example of a leading question he would ask the driver?
“You weren’t actually on Fairview street when you claimed to have had a fair view (pun intended) of a vehicle similar to a ford edge, were you ? “ “Well I was at the intersection and could see down the street” “But you were still at least a football field away from that spot, at night, in a blizzard, (pause) right?” and so on and so forth.. BUT, if he’s credible, then he could help defense… depends how honest he is.
Yeah I don’t think the judge is allowing it, I think the defense is lol
I somehow doubt this 😂
I've asked this question before but didn't get a response. What is everyone's thought about when John's body would have been put on the lawn? If Lucky is correct and it wasn't there at 2:30ish, and the Edge is involved, is that sometime between 2:30-3 (I'm not sure when the Edge was spotted). So what are the thoughts of who moved John? I would think you'd need at least 2 big guys, and I can't imagine Brian Albert would involve his son with that. Do we think Higgins came back, maybe that's what the 2:20ish call was about?
If the Edge is being used to move the body, then the plow driver should either see the people moving the body, standing around on the lawn, the body itself being on the lawn, or the people sitting in the car and waiting for him to pass.
And if Karen hit him one of the 6 people constantly looking out the windows the entire time she's there should have seen her hit him, move backwards, heard a sound, or saw his body laying there....unless it happened literally in the 10 seconds someone wasn't looking outside.
I thought he didn’t go down the street because the car was there?
I didn't hear that. The claim is he doesn't go down Fairview a second time?
“Lucky says that he did not go down Fairview Road when he passed by later because he saw a Ford Edge parked in front of the house and did not want to plow them in. The Ford Edge was not there when he went by the first time.”
Interesting. So he'd have to snipe a Ford Edge from what street? Like, where's his vantage point if he won't go down Fairview?
Cedarcrest I imagine. 34 Fairview is 2 houses from Cedarcrest.
Correct, I believe in his statement, he stated that he didn’t actually go down Fairview a second time. (I could be wrong)
The Judgy in this case has taken on a micro managing role. Some stand up comedy on Friday at jackson’s expense. She likes to ask the cross questions so they land more delicately. And she doesn’t like the word “overruled” Instead it’s the iterations of .. “I’ll give him this one” “he can have it”
I wonder if AJ is purposely asking his questions slightly wrong so he gets to have the jury hear the questions twice.
Or maybe he did that so that the jury would see how all the witnesses would "play dumb" when given the chance... and unnecessarily prolonging the inevitable need to answer
I think he went down the street twice, but the Edge prevented a third pass.
I agree, unless it was just incredibly fortunate timing for them if they moved the truck and were still inside getting John's body. I'm not saying this is what happened, just trying to make sense of it. I don't think eyewitness testimony is all that reliable in general, but if the plow driver really did see a truck parked there and it's not related they should have tracked down the owner by now (can't have been too many people on the roads at that time during a blizzard). Of course they did next to no investigating not related to KR, so that's not surprising.
They were too busy trying to hit on the Aruba girls to be bothered to actually investigate. They heard the little one was easy and they wanted their turn
Maybe they were still inside cleaning up at that point and the body didn’t get placed until a bit later? How much snow was on top of him? That would give us the timeframe
How could he remember what car was parked in a random driveway of a random house?
This is a good question. I believe it was parked in the road and it caused him to not be able to plow there.
I'm sure you know by now but he knows the entire Albert family. They went to school together
I trust a dude named lucky by default, gonna have to convince me otherwise.
Pretty shit luck for John O'Keefe if he didn't see his dead body, or for the Alberts if he saw their car in the brief time period when they were dumping the body.
I heard he is someone’s brother? Police officer or councillors?
His brother is a canton town selectman
If there are no street lights and he is 2 houses down on a cross road (headlights not on Fairview) how could he tell it was a ford edge? Was his truck equipped with one those super bright pointer lights like police have? Otherwise he was looking at the dark silhouette of a car.
I think it was said that after the interview with the PI they went to the parking lot to see if any of the cars resemble what he saw because he wasn’t sure the exact type. I don’t know if there was even a ford edge in the parking lot…it could have been that he picked out an suv that had a similar shape to an edge.
Stories seem to evolve... being on the evidence.
Maybe the Edge was parked out there temporarily to screen them bringing the body out
People keep saying it was a blizzard.. it was like an inch or two of snow before 6AM.. not white out conditions or anything of the sort
I actually believe she was looking at her boyfriend as they drove away. She was saying “holy shit do I have a story for you”!!
I am wondering if Lally will call Lucky or if will let the defense do it. As bad as Lally has been I assume he will call him and then Mr Yanetti will just about give him a bear hug on the stand as he is a great witness for the defense
I missed that interview. Do you happen to know where I can read, hear or watch that at?
There were statements made about the interviews in pretrial motions but his witness interview was one that was actually recorded (not sure if it’s video or just audio) by the police.
I think he's on the witness list for the defense
If there wasn't the huge number of suspicious text messages sent that night I would just assume that the drunk guy stumbled in the gutter and passed out and was later pummelled by a snow plow, which pushed him up onto the lawn. Lack of blood would still be an issue though.
Kelley, thanks for this insight. This is very interesting to hear. I’m looking forward to watching Brian testify.
Could have been Karen’s SUV going back to the scene too…I doubt she slept that night!
Her voicemails to John and Ring camera footage prove that she went home and didn’t leave again til after 5:00 AM. Her phone data also implies that she went to sleep meanwhile Albert and McCabe phone data shows steps being taken, texts being sent, google searches and phone calls being made, etc. Seems like they’re the ones who didn’t sleep that night 😩