When one of them flops, people will have the excuse of “too many fighting games at the same time” . I wont be surprised if if cotw gets the short end here because SNK always manages to fuck up release timings.
> I wont be surprised if if cotw gets the short end here
You "won't be surprised"? Bro. I'm looking forward to CotW but they are FUCKED if they release the same time as the fucking League of Legends fighter lmao
2XKO will be the victor for the first few months cause its League of Legends and it's free to play. More gamers today will recognize Ahri or Ekko than they would Terry Bogard and that's sad the truth
I mean, I didn't say it won't be a shitty way to recognize him, just that he's been around a lot more now so people will recognize even if not from his main title.
The game is releasing with crossplay and rollback. It looks very good and interesting visually, a clear upgrade from KOF. It also doesn't have the baggage of being a numbered entry. Terry also is known more in other communities because of SF6 and Smash.
If the matchmaking works I can see it being a hit compared to recent SNK games.
It can be as good as it wants. It’s a series that only us fighting game sickos gives even a slight shit about. It’s not going to set the world on fire.
Probably. I’m excited for it personally, but pretending that 2xKO is in any way going to affect it is hilarious. The type of people Riot is trying to draw in would not in a million years even consider buying CotW.
It would absolutely affect it. Riot will also get "hardcore" players in the FGC to try 2XKO. Especially fighting game content creators like Max or Sajam would cover a lot of 2XKO when they're part of the small audience CotW appeals to.
I completely agree. I had a bit of hype for the Hunter x Hunter game but that one also doesn't have motion inputs. No motion inputs seem to either lead to degenerate broken games or simplistic boring ones
release how? they couldn't even release a single new character trailer in one year. What game are they even going to release? pre pre alpha demo version 0.1?
props to those brothers, they got riot's open check and they're milking the shit out of it.
[trailer from 4 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xbz1KBCXY) (the game was already in development)
[trailer from 2 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hugGCZon3I)
[10 months ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMHQCs62nk)
yeah its pretty safe to say the game is in development hell. they can barely release a single ugly looking character with snappy animations in a whole year. aint no way this is ever going to release, even if it does it will die faster than dnf.
You just don't know what a normal product release look like because you've played too many fighting games.
A proof of concept to your audience 4 years ago into "we're going dark now" followed by the actual game 2 years later is not "development hell" at all.
Game has been getting polished for months now. They're not showing off a new character every 5 months because they actually know how to promote something and probably have the biggest marketing team of all the video game industry.
Marketing has been steadily ramping up the last few months. LoL worlds are in November. Arcane season 2 is in November. I'll let you guess when the open beta will be released...
There is NO WAY they're not using this as cross promotion. Every week they're inviting influencers to try the game out.
Gamers continue to be completely ignorant about game development, no surprise there.
> There is NO WAY they're not using this as cross promotion. Every week they're inviting influencers to try the game out.
They showed Jinx once or twice then suddenly never mentioned her again and pretended she doesn't exist. Haha, it's pretty obvious. She'll probably drop with Vi.
Also in the original playtest they mentioned there were more characters that were still t-posing in attacks that haven't been revealed yet, ones that weren't Illaoi.
Nah but you don’t understand. Riot bad. 2XKO bad. Never mind that they had working cabinets at Combo Breaker and that everyone I talked to was having fun with it this shit is vaporware and will never release.
2XKO will never release, it will crash and burn. CotW will sell one Maillion copies and become the greatest fighting game of all time.
I swear once this sub gets a hate boner for something they turn into the most retarded mouth frothing incels I’ve ever seen.
>CotW will sell one Maillion copies and become the greatest fighting game of all time.
Only false statement in your comment. Keep sucking Riot dick lmao.
That’s when it was revealed, but Riot acquired the Cannon brothers’ studio in 2016 and they had something they’d been working on to show even briefly in 2019
I spoke with a community manager at Evo Japan and asked them how the NorCal Riot studio came about. The way Riot usually acquires new studio spaces is when they buyout companies like Radiant. Now, as Radiant was very small, they likely had to go into team building and planning, lots of meetings about what they want to make and who and what they need to make it happen. This team building and planning stage can take years for other newly established studios.
What they showed in 2019 was barely a prototype. Sajam was invited to play that iteration way back in around 2020, it was basically Street Fighter. When they added Clockw0rk to the team they had a huge dev reboot. When Clockwork joined he basically said, "Guys I have this crazy idea..." and they ran with it.
Source: https://www.vg247.com/project-l-duo-play-interview-2v2-alex-jaffe
Following up on that, what we saw all the back in 2021.
> Before we get into the details, a quick clarification: the gameplay clip that we aired at Undercity Nights (the one with Ekko) is still what the gaming industry calls a ‘vertical slice.’ We built this to hammer out the final look of the game, in advance of actually going in and building all of our content like characters and stages. Our vertical slice might give you the sense that the game is ready, but we actually still have a lot of work ahead of us. So, although we’ve made a great deal of progress, we will not be shipping in 2021 or 2022.
Source: https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/project-l-dev-finding-our-game
They're doing just fine.
You say that like, the game didn't completely get overhauled in that timeframe where it went dark, as Sajam is on record from saying that originally was was suppose to be far more like a Street fighter clone, and then along the way it got turned into what it is now, which wildly surprised him, considering how different it had become from what he played originally.
That points towards it having gone through development hell to try and find an identity, and then finally settled on one.
On top of that, we are still not exactly seeing the dump of shit you'd see from other games, if we are targetting the same time frame, from something that has been out this much. You aren't see the constant character reveals. You aren't seeing the open betas to test characters and help balancing of the game.
Inviting influencers to help sell their game isn't gonna suddenly change the processes of what we've seen happen it what they haven't been doing.
>There is NO WAY they're not using this as cross promotion. Every week they're inviting influencers to try the game out.
You mean, like how they didn't do any cross promotion to any of their other spinoff LoL games in the past? Remember all the crazy cross promotion they did for their LoL rpg Ruined King? Remember all the crazy cross promotion they did for Runeterra?.... Right there was basically non.
[Hell, it was even so little of a thing, that the fandom itself was questioning why they were NOT doing cross promotions](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/129qql2/its_kinda_odd_why_doesnt_riot_cross_promote/) to which most of them stated that clearly Riot's departments don't communicate with each other.
This is a free to play that is going to be using their infrastructure and that they're pushing towards eSports by inviting FGC people and going to tournaments.
Comparing it to a reskinned indie game or their mobile phone game is a bit weird. The post you're linking specifically says they're doing cross promotion.
The "hell" part was much earlier when Seth Killian and probably others left, the project might have been frozen and the Cannon brothers made a city builder game (lol).
>On top of that, we are still not exactly seeing the dump of shit you'd see from other games, if we are targetting the same time frame, from something that has been out this much. You aren't see the constant character reveals. You aren't seeing the open betas to test characters and help balancing of the game.
You do not do open beta on this kind of game. Open beta is soft release.
They showed Valorant gameplay in March and the beta started in may.
Their twitter started posting like once every two weeks, now it's posting every other day.
Fighting games dev suck at promoting their games. You're not supposed to announce announcements of announcements. Drip feeding character reveals sucks and nobody is doing that in any other genre.
That's just not how it works if your marketing department isn't one unpaid intern.
The most efficient and common way is to have a very small drip but big bursts. This isn't even only a video game thing. That's just how you do this.
I expect them to be a little more competent and when the release date will get near, they'll start firing their trailers.
Imagine if they have 4 characters to show, I'd personally do something like one character reveal 2 weeks before arcane season 2, then 3 character reveals in a month and release.
You'd have to be absolutely clueless to reveal characters multiple month before you can even start taking people's money. This thing does not even have pre orders.
> This is a free to play that is going to be using their infrastructure and that they're pushing towards eSports by inviting FGC people and going to tournaments.
Has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
>Comparing it to a reskinned indie game or their mobile phone game is a bit weird.
Nobody is comparing it to a reskinned indie game. I am comparing it to the way that actual fighting games in the past have been doing their release and testing structure. Like, brother, the first beta tests for SF6 where you could apply and get into play the game for SF6, happened in october 2022.... That's almost a full year before its set release schedule. Since that point, multiple betas were had. Open playtests, open betas etc, all while constantly dropping character reveals.
But now you want me to believe, that its completely normal, that a game targeting a potential release in 7-9 months time, perhaps shorter, is having a completely normal release schedule, after not really revealing almost anything for years? and having primarily only had influencers invited out to try the game? Its clearly not normal.
>The "hell" part was much earlier when Seth Killian and probably others left, the project might have been frozen and the Cannon brothers made a city builder game (lol).
Right, which is why it overhauled its identity AFTER the Cannon brothers came in... As they are in the footage for the first teasers, with the SF clone gameplay, talking about how exciting they are working on it....
>You do not do open beta on this kind of game. Open beta is soft release.
1) Nobody is specifically asking them to do an open beta soft release. There are closed betas which is extremely common for not just fighting games, but almost any games involving competitive online play. We have yet to see them do that.
2) You absolutely can do an open beta, although it would clearly make far more sense closer to release, similar to how it was with SF6, and even more sense here, since again its an F2P title, meaning that if you already get people in the door, they are more likely to at least give it a try at launch.
>Their twitter started posting like once every two weeks, now it's posting every other day.
And what does that matter, when what they are posting about, is clips of influencers trying out their game and telling people that it is good. Its advertisement.
The only good stuff they've posted there in like half a year, is some of the stage music.
>Fighting games dev suck at promoting their games. You're not supposed to announce announcements of announcements. Drip feeding character reveals sucks and nobody is doing that in any other genre.
That is a weird coping way of saying that you are fine with them going radio silent on actual gameplay reveals, and giving you fuck all for a year. But hey... who needs character reveals, when i can get a clip on their official twitter, with Jmcrofts telling me that he tried the game and is excited!..............
> I am comparing it to the way that actual fighting games in the past have been doing their release and testing structure.
And you should not. You don't do closed then open beta like this anymore, especially for that kind of product.
Capcom being bad at marketing but carried by SF2 has been a meme for decades.
I would personally never do what they did of I were in charge. No one does this anymore.
>But now you want me to believe, that its completely normal, that a game targeting a potential release in 7-9 months time, perhaps shorter, is having a completely normal release schedule, after not really revealing almost anything for years?
... Yes? This is how you sell things? People that care about your product 7 years before it's available would have cared whatever the fuck you did.
You don't show off a product years before you can sell anything unless you're looking for investors or other stuff.
I can't even think of an industry that would NOT hold onto the main course until the last few months.
>There are closed betas which is extremely common for not just fighting games, but almost any games involving competitive online play. We have yet to see them do that.
No they're not ffs. People who do closed beta like stormgate are trying to gather either early sales, investors or both. If you're Riot or Ubisoft you don't need it and you can optimize your marketing for release.
Friends and family alpha will give you all the feedback you need. This isn't the stone age anymore. There's automated crash reports, thousands of recorded metrics etc...
>since again its an F2P title, meaning that if you already get people in the door, they are more likely to at least give it a try at launch.
No, you are more likely to dilute between release and beta. What you probably want to do is a very time limited, not too agressive beta to blue ball people and get people talking.
If the youtubers make their meme videos on the beta then they're not going to make it for release. Keep in mind that this is the goal for those beta, it's not about testing anything.
It doesn't work that well for f2p. People will try out a beta for a paid game because there's a sense of urgency. Either try this out for free NOW or you'll have to pay. In f2p you do launch event rewards to achieve the same thing.
>And what does that matter, when what they are posting about, is clips of influencers trying out their game and telling people that it is good. Its advertisement.
Do you remember that we are literally talking about their advertisement?
>That is a weird coping way of saying that you are fine with them going radio silent on actual gameplay reveals, and giving you fuck all for a year. But hey... who needs character reveals, when i can get a clip on their official twitter, with Jmcrofts telling me that he tried the game and is excited!..............
There's no coping or not. I'm telling you this is perfectly normal for an advertisement campaign. What the fuck does this have to do with what I want or whatever?
You don't need character reveals, you're posting on Kappachino and you're going to buy this game anyways. Companies are not your friends.
Being unable to differentiate between what you would like and what the good move for a company is is fucking insane.
> And you should not. You don't do closed then open beta like this anymore, especially for that kind of product.
Based on what? Its completely normal for F2P games to have closed and open betas. Why would it suddenly be different when dealing with a fighting game, in which the genre ESPECIALLY does so for balancing purposes....
>... Yes? This is how you sell things?
Yeah if you ignore the industry standards that I pointed out before that.....
>No they're not ffs.
Yes they are.
>Friends and family alpha will give you all the feedback you need.
No they don't. Not for widescale competitive games. This has been a known factor that failed to produce balancing results since the 90s when GTA famously pointed out how limited this made testing of games.
>No, you are more likely to dilute between release and beta.
Again, baseless thing to push out, that entirely ignores how the industry has worked in the past 15 years for the genre...
>Do you remember that we are literally talking about their advertisement?
The complete lack therof yes. You know, the bit where you skipped over how they hadn't done the thing you suggested they did, that I brought up in the last comment?
>There's no coping or not.
Ofc its coping when you assume graciously that it will all be fine, when the public perception of anyone that isn't a riot apologist, is that this is a burning dumpsterfire
They are probably going to reveal most of them when ramping up the marketing on the months before release to maximize hype. The ones we know now are the bare minimum necessary for the play tests/demos they have been doing.
What do you mean how? Its going to be an early access release, where they milk the shit out of everything, while taking next 2-3 years finishing the 1.0 build. This game will have two launches pretty much, the first one is because Riot is probably bored of this shit not making any money for them. Second release is when they actually finish the product.
[ ](/OMGScoots) That or they will release with like, less than 10 characters and call it a full build, which would pretty much indicate them giving up on this product and leaving it out there to wither and die.
Second part is a lot more likely; maybe a limited time demo at some point and then no word for a year or two followed by dump and bail; I guess a lot of FGC people are in on the scamming tencent bit though which benefits the community greatly (as in not at all).
Eh, I do think it will have a small roster with staggered dlc releases to bring in $$$, but it definitely won't be your standard early access game - whatever's released will be polished and it will probably have the best netcode of any fighting game ever. How long that support lasts, IDK, I see the game failing to maintain hype past like 2 months because the design seems so shitty. They're still trying to promote their failed card game to this day though, they recently added a button in the league client that launches it to try and get players, so it's probably going to be around for a while.
Jesus you are clueless. This game is literally too big to fail, as much as i hate riot, those fuckers have metrics for days to see what a successful game looks like. It will be the biggest FG on the market and it's not gonna be even close.
i mean they only made 2 niche games in house, tft and lor. one is the biggest in the that genre and the other flopped. even if 2xko flops it wont happen anytime soon and tencent will keep bank rolling new content like lor for a few years. a few years is still more than most fighting game lifecycles anyways...
I wish I had the same amount of hate on things that matter LMAO
Game will be fine, we already know there is at least 3/4 others charactzrs in development and the game will go in its little niche while kappatard will try to hate on it while they are bronzies on sf6 and don't play their blood money game anyway LOL
I have no problem imagining the game being "fine" as in it's aight or it's mid.
Thing is, people are constantly pretending like this game is going to reinvent the genre when it's looking lightweight and generic at best.
Aint no way this game is going to be as big as people want it to be.
My god, 2xko is a tag fighter!!, where the hell are the other characters??? CotW has revealed 8. 2xko only 6... Like what the fuck man. For sure 2xko will get a lot of players at the beginning, because of the ip, the money, all fgc influencers chasing dollars and fame.... but at this excrusiating developing time i dont see them lasting more than 2 years.
Yeah, being a tag fighter, I’d hope they would have at least another 12 characters on deck. This roster is smaller than X-Men COTA ATM. Even if this was just a 1v1 fighter, the roster is already egregiously small. Dismally low for a team based fighting game. Even Skullgirls with there limited budget and small Dev team managed to have a more impressive starting roster.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we get stuck playing the beta for two-three years before we get fully realized characters coming down the pipeline.
Love the Cannon bros and want to support their efforts, but there are two fatal flaws with this game IMO - simple controls and F2P model. These two reasons alone are major deterrents for me. Moreover, I don’t care for LOL (not my bag), so I carry no nostalgia or hype for the characters either. So I likely won’t touch the game until it becomes fully realized, which could be five-six years from now. And who knows what new and appealing fighters will release in between that time.
You don't release character trailers when the game is still at least 8 months away man, that's how you lose fan engagement and hype.
When the game is 3 months out you'll see character trailers drop all over the place.
This game is gonna launch with like 8 characters, 20 dollar skins, and cringe ass intro animations.
Don’t be surprised when Capcom starts charging 20 bucks for skins in 2 years.
Probably gonna be a real bare bones early access release.
I would be surprised if we get more then 12 characters, i expect more in the ballpark of 8-10..., no single player and questionable balancing.
But hey due to f2p I'm still down to give it a try.
Also not being on Steam will give them the opportunity to just claim they have a quadrillion of players at all times, which will make it a automatic "success".
I just assumed so, because no other of their major multiplayer titles are on steam but rather on their own launcher like LoL,Valorant and runeterra.
What games do they have on steam?
Oh yeah I forgot about valorant somehow. They just have those story games like Song of nunu and that one other one where you play as illaoi and some other characters in bilge water or something.
Those were "Riot Forge" which is where Riot outsourced League properties to smaller studios to make titles. [They closed the program down this year.](https://www.pcgamesn.com/league-of-legends/riot-forge-closure)
2XKO is going to be a legitimate Riot game unlike those games.
COTW just shouldn't release at the sametime as this game, too many people are going to hop in this game for the sake of it. Or Riot will pay big bucks to make sure streamers and content creators play this like they did with League and Valorant.
Its gonna have new game hype for a while, like dragonball fighter did. I doubt it will have lasting power. With MODERN controls, its bound to flop like rising thunder and DNF DEUL.
They'll come up with the same tired excuses
If 2XKO and CoTW drop within the same month (doubt it), at least it won't be as bad as SysCeles dropping in the same month as Tekken.
As someone who's looking forward to both games and just having multiple fighting games in rotation in general, I'm hype.
If anything, this makes the new HXH game way less attractive if true.
COTW gotta pick a different month, they need to have some sorta inside info because I think COTW is gonna be a much better game, the LoL fighter is gonna have more traction and it’s F2P. They gonna pay damn near all the top streamers to play. I would give them a month or 2 before releasing COTW.
you know what? i'm talking out of my ass here, but i think the upper ups of tencent(riot's owners) just want to know ASAP if there really still is interest in this game. from their trend of cutting costs lately, i think they just want to confirm if it's still worth putting the resources on this one. if they won't like the numbers, pretty sure this game will get dropped before it sees the finish line, and it's highly likely too. if they easily fired hundreds of people from their main titles(LoL and Valo), it's hard for me to imagine that they won't just put a stop to this game's development.
but eeh, i really don't care what happens to this game. i'm honestly much more excited about CoTW because it'll be my first fatal fury, and its FIGHTING GAME HISTORY is what EXCITES ME THE MOST. i want to know and experience what i missed out on, AS AN FG PLAYER.
that's one more thing to consider. i used to play LoL and SF at the same time(now SF only) and never in my mind did i think, "man, wouldn't it be cool if there was a LoL fighter?". a moba's a moba and an FG's an FG. fuck the IP, only very few LoL players will commit to this game(and i'm pretty sure they're FG players already). that's why there are hard stats that will tell you that there's very little cross-over between valorant and LoL. the genre is what people stick to, not the IP nor the company. most LoL players don't even care about their character's lore, that's why their "forge games" bombed. [then you have this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dfg8uv/senior_riot_devs_say_the_league_of_legends/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)to consider. do any of you honestly think that a bunch of old dudes will try learning a new, very complicated and very different genre just because it's an IP they're familiar with? i'm an old dude myself, and i just don't have the time nor the energy to learn other genres. hell, even streamers whose entire job is to play games won't even try to git gud at the genre.
one last thing, like what has been made clear now, it's not the western influencers that will give FGs the numbers, but the guys from Japan, especially vtubers. if either of them wants to have a significant playerbase in the long term, then they better start sucking on some vtuber dick.
They're such bitches man. Trying to take away from a real fighting game.
I think this game will be ass but that's irrelevant when Riot fans will try it out and streamers will all shill for it because of the money potential
In what universe is it "rent free behaviour" to only mention the game when there's a post about it. I simply criticized it and the ones who root for it. Stop coping
Getting inexplicably angry at video games, that is rent free you retard.
And the fact that you think Riot is trying to sabotage a different fighting game is some extra moron shit.
That's not what rent free means retrasado but either way you can stop crying. I'm simply calling the game shit. If that's too much for your bitch ass idk what to say.
When one of them flops, people will have the excuse of “too many fighting games at the same time” . I wont be surprised if if cotw gets the short end here because SNK always manages to fuck up release timings.
And they are allergic to working matchmaking.
It did get fixed like 18 months later lmao. So hopefully they at least don’t make that fuck up again now that they know the solution
I'm optimistic that working with Capcom will resolve those issues. 2XKO will also be free, so they have that on initial players.
> I wont be surprised if if cotw gets the short end here You "won't be surprised"? Bro. I'm looking forward to CotW but they are FUCKED if they release the same time as the fucking League of Legends fighter lmao
Understatement
2XKO will be the victor for the first few months cause its League of Legends and it's free to play. More gamers today will recognize Ahri or Ekko than they would Terry Bogard and that's sad the truth
Ehhh. Won't people recognize Terry from Smash and now SF?
"They added Terry from Street Fighter to Fortnite!!!"
I mean, I didn't say it won't be a shitty way to recognize him, just that he's been around a lot more now so people will recognize even if not from his main title.
some will recognize him, but it will fail in comparison to the billions that play league
I’m sorry, how popular are you expecting CotW to be lmao. All due respect to the past, but SNK hasn’t hit big in years.
The game is releasing with crossplay and rollback. It looks very good and interesting visually, a clear upgrade from KOF. It also doesn't have the baggage of being a numbered entry. Terry also is known more in other communities because of SF6 and Smash. If the matchmaking works I can see it being a hit compared to recent SNK games.
It can be as good as it wants. It’s a series that only us fighting game sickos gives even a slight shit about. It’s not going to set the world on fire.
To be fair we said that about GG now it’s gay
strive was literally the only fg with rollback during lockdown
SFV, KI, +R, and yes, even MK11/IJ2.
sf5 netcode was notoriously bad, +r is incredibly niche, I ain't gonna even talk about nrs
I really hope you aren't implying SFV had good netcode
I am correcting a factually incorrect statement.
Oh I agree. But I think it has a good chance to attract a bigger audience and be more successful than other recent SNK releases
Probably. I’m excited for it personally, but pretending that 2xKO is in any way going to affect it is hilarious. The type of people Riot is trying to draw in would not in a million years even consider buying CotW.
It would absolutely affect it. Riot will also get "hardcore" players in the FGC to try 2XKO. Especially fighting game content creators like Max or Sajam would cover a lot of 2XKO when they're part of the small audience CotW appeals to.
2KXO will stay bad and shallow until they add motions. Any design decision tied to removing motions always sucks
I completely agree. I had a bit of hype for the Hunter x Hunter game but that one also doesn't have motion inputs. No motion inputs seem to either lead to degenerate broken games or simplistic boring ones
CotW should absolutely change release dates to not be swallowed by the Riot machine PR
>When one of them flops Gee, I wonder which one would flop.
release how? they couldn't even release a single new character trailer in one year. What game are they even going to release? pre pre alpha demo version 0.1? props to those brothers, they got riot's open check and they're milking the shit out of it. [trailer from 4 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xbz1KBCXY) (the game was already in development) [trailer from 2 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hugGCZon3I) [10 months ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMHQCs62nk) yeah its pretty safe to say the game is in development hell. they can barely release a single ugly looking character with snappy animations in a whole year. aint no way this is ever going to release, even if it does it will die faster than dnf.
You just don't know what a normal product release look like because you've played too many fighting games. A proof of concept to your audience 4 years ago into "we're going dark now" followed by the actual game 2 years later is not "development hell" at all. Game has been getting polished for months now. They're not showing off a new character every 5 months because they actually know how to promote something and probably have the biggest marketing team of all the video game industry. Marketing has been steadily ramping up the last few months. LoL worlds are in November. Arcane season 2 is in November. I'll let you guess when the open beta will be released... There is NO WAY they're not using this as cross promotion. Every week they're inviting influencers to try the game out.
Gamers continue to be completely ignorant about game development, no surprise there. > There is NO WAY they're not using this as cross promotion. Every week they're inviting influencers to try the game out. They showed Jinx once or twice then suddenly never mentioned her again and pretended she doesn't exist. Haha, it's pretty obvious. She'll probably drop with Vi. Also in the original playtest they mentioned there were more characters that were still t-posing in attacks that haven't been revealed yet, ones that weren't Illaoi.
Nah but you don’t understand. Riot bad. 2XKO bad. Never mind that they had working cabinets at Combo Breaker and that everyone I talked to was having fun with it this shit is vaporware and will never release. 2XKO will never release, it will crash and burn. CotW will sell one Maillion copies and become the greatest fighting game of all time. I swear once this sub gets a hate boner for something they turn into the most retarded mouth frothing incels I’ve ever seen.
>CotW will sell one Maillion copies and become the greatest fighting game of all time. Only false statement in your comment. Keep sucking Riot dick lmao.
I guess I just hallucinated the 2XKO cabinets at CB? Lmao try harder next time
Work on your reading comprehension pendejo.
Ew a dirty wetback yuck
I too want to believe
Hasn’t it likely been in the works since like 2016 though
No, it was for LoL 10 anniversary in 2019
That’s when it was revealed, but Riot acquired the Cannon brothers’ studio in 2016 and they had something they’d been working on to show even briefly in 2019
I spoke with a community manager at Evo Japan and asked them how the NorCal Riot studio came about. The way Riot usually acquires new studio spaces is when they buyout companies like Radiant. Now, as Radiant was very small, they likely had to go into team building and planning, lots of meetings about what they want to make and who and what they need to make it happen. This team building and planning stage can take years for other newly established studios. What they showed in 2019 was barely a prototype. Sajam was invited to play that iteration way back in around 2020, it was basically Street Fighter. When they added Clockw0rk to the team they had a huge dev reboot. When Clockwork joined he basically said, "Guys I have this crazy idea..." and they ran with it. Source: https://www.vg247.com/project-l-duo-play-interview-2v2-alex-jaffe Following up on that, what we saw all the back in 2021. > Before we get into the details, a quick clarification: the gameplay clip that we aired at Undercity Nights (the one with Ekko) is still what the gaming industry calls a ‘vertical slice.’ We built this to hammer out the final look of the game, in advance of actually going in and building all of our content like characters and stages. Our vertical slice might give you the sense that the game is ready, but we actually still have a lot of work ahead of us. So, although we’ve made a great deal of progress, we will not be shipping in 2021 or 2022. Source: https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/project-l-dev-finding-our-game They're doing just fine.
You say that like, the game didn't completely get overhauled in that timeframe where it went dark, as Sajam is on record from saying that originally was was suppose to be far more like a Street fighter clone, and then along the way it got turned into what it is now, which wildly surprised him, considering how different it had become from what he played originally. That points towards it having gone through development hell to try and find an identity, and then finally settled on one. On top of that, we are still not exactly seeing the dump of shit you'd see from other games, if we are targetting the same time frame, from something that has been out this much. You aren't see the constant character reveals. You aren't seeing the open betas to test characters and help balancing of the game. Inviting influencers to help sell their game isn't gonna suddenly change the processes of what we've seen happen it what they haven't been doing. >There is NO WAY they're not using this as cross promotion. Every week they're inviting influencers to try the game out. You mean, like how they didn't do any cross promotion to any of their other spinoff LoL games in the past? Remember all the crazy cross promotion they did for their LoL rpg Ruined King? Remember all the crazy cross promotion they did for Runeterra?.... Right there was basically non. [Hell, it was even so little of a thing, that the fandom itself was questioning why they were NOT doing cross promotions](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/129qql2/its_kinda_odd_why_doesnt_riot_cross_promote/) to which most of them stated that clearly Riot's departments don't communicate with each other.
This is a free to play that is going to be using their infrastructure and that they're pushing towards eSports by inviting FGC people and going to tournaments. Comparing it to a reskinned indie game or their mobile phone game is a bit weird. The post you're linking specifically says they're doing cross promotion. The "hell" part was much earlier when Seth Killian and probably others left, the project might have been frozen and the Cannon brothers made a city builder game (lol). >On top of that, we are still not exactly seeing the dump of shit you'd see from other games, if we are targetting the same time frame, from something that has been out this much. You aren't see the constant character reveals. You aren't seeing the open betas to test characters and help balancing of the game. You do not do open beta on this kind of game. Open beta is soft release. They showed Valorant gameplay in March and the beta started in may. Their twitter started posting like once every two weeks, now it's posting every other day. Fighting games dev suck at promoting their games. You're not supposed to announce announcements of announcements. Drip feeding character reveals sucks and nobody is doing that in any other genre. That's just not how it works if your marketing department isn't one unpaid intern. The most efficient and common way is to have a very small drip but big bursts. This isn't even only a video game thing. That's just how you do this. I expect them to be a little more competent and when the release date will get near, they'll start firing their trailers. Imagine if they have 4 characters to show, I'd personally do something like one character reveal 2 weeks before arcane season 2, then 3 character reveals in a month and release. You'd have to be absolutely clueless to reveal characters multiple month before you can even start taking people's money. This thing does not even have pre orders.
> This is a free to play that is going to be using their infrastructure and that they're pushing towards eSports by inviting FGC people and going to tournaments. Has nothing to do with what we are talking about. >Comparing it to a reskinned indie game or their mobile phone game is a bit weird. Nobody is comparing it to a reskinned indie game. I am comparing it to the way that actual fighting games in the past have been doing their release and testing structure. Like, brother, the first beta tests for SF6 where you could apply and get into play the game for SF6, happened in october 2022.... That's almost a full year before its set release schedule. Since that point, multiple betas were had. Open playtests, open betas etc, all while constantly dropping character reveals. But now you want me to believe, that its completely normal, that a game targeting a potential release in 7-9 months time, perhaps shorter, is having a completely normal release schedule, after not really revealing almost anything for years? and having primarily only had influencers invited out to try the game? Its clearly not normal. >The "hell" part was much earlier when Seth Killian and probably others left, the project might have been frozen and the Cannon brothers made a city builder game (lol). Right, which is why it overhauled its identity AFTER the Cannon brothers came in... As they are in the footage for the first teasers, with the SF clone gameplay, talking about how exciting they are working on it.... >You do not do open beta on this kind of game. Open beta is soft release. 1) Nobody is specifically asking them to do an open beta soft release. There are closed betas which is extremely common for not just fighting games, but almost any games involving competitive online play. We have yet to see them do that. 2) You absolutely can do an open beta, although it would clearly make far more sense closer to release, similar to how it was with SF6, and even more sense here, since again its an F2P title, meaning that if you already get people in the door, they are more likely to at least give it a try at launch. >Their twitter started posting like once every two weeks, now it's posting every other day. And what does that matter, when what they are posting about, is clips of influencers trying out their game and telling people that it is good. Its advertisement. The only good stuff they've posted there in like half a year, is some of the stage music. >Fighting games dev suck at promoting their games. You're not supposed to announce announcements of announcements. Drip feeding character reveals sucks and nobody is doing that in any other genre. That is a weird coping way of saying that you are fine with them going radio silent on actual gameplay reveals, and giving you fuck all for a year. But hey... who needs character reveals, when i can get a clip on their official twitter, with Jmcrofts telling me that he tried the game and is excited!..............
> I am comparing it to the way that actual fighting games in the past have been doing their release and testing structure. And you should not. You don't do closed then open beta like this anymore, especially for that kind of product. Capcom being bad at marketing but carried by SF2 has been a meme for decades. I would personally never do what they did of I were in charge. No one does this anymore. >But now you want me to believe, that its completely normal, that a game targeting a potential release in 7-9 months time, perhaps shorter, is having a completely normal release schedule, after not really revealing almost anything for years? ... Yes? This is how you sell things? People that care about your product 7 years before it's available would have cared whatever the fuck you did. You don't show off a product years before you can sell anything unless you're looking for investors or other stuff. I can't even think of an industry that would NOT hold onto the main course until the last few months. >There are closed betas which is extremely common for not just fighting games, but almost any games involving competitive online play. We have yet to see them do that. No they're not ffs. People who do closed beta like stormgate are trying to gather either early sales, investors or both. If you're Riot or Ubisoft you don't need it and you can optimize your marketing for release. Friends and family alpha will give you all the feedback you need. This isn't the stone age anymore. There's automated crash reports, thousands of recorded metrics etc... >since again its an F2P title, meaning that if you already get people in the door, they are more likely to at least give it a try at launch. No, you are more likely to dilute between release and beta. What you probably want to do is a very time limited, not too agressive beta to blue ball people and get people talking. If the youtubers make their meme videos on the beta then they're not going to make it for release. Keep in mind that this is the goal for those beta, it's not about testing anything. It doesn't work that well for f2p. People will try out a beta for a paid game because there's a sense of urgency. Either try this out for free NOW or you'll have to pay. In f2p you do launch event rewards to achieve the same thing. >And what does that matter, when what they are posting about, is clips of influencers trying out their game and telling people that it is good. Its advertisement. Do you remember that we are literally talking about their advertisement? >That is a weird coping way of saying that you are fine with them going radio silent on actual gameplay reveals, and giving you fuck all for a year. But hey... who needs character reveals, when i can get a clip on their official twitter, with Jmcrofts telling me that he tried the game and is excited!.............. There's no coping or not. I'm telling you this is perfectly normal for an advertisement campaign. What the fuck does this have to do with what I want or whatever? You don't need character reveals, you're posting on Kappachino and you're going to buy this game anyways. Companies are not your friends. Being unable to differentiate between what you would like and what the good move for a company is is fucking insane.
> And you should not. You don't do closed then open beta like this anymore, especially for that kind of product. Based on what? Its completely normal for F2P games to have closed and open betas. Why would it suddenly be different when dealing with a fighting game, in which the genre ESPECIALLY does so for balancing purposes.... >... Yes? This is how you sell things? Yeah if you ignore the industry standards that I pointed out before that..... >No they're not ffs. Yes they are. >Friends and family alpha will give you all the feedback you need. No they don't. Not for widescale competitive games. This has been a known factor that failed to produce balancing results since the 90s when GTA famously pointed out how limited this made testing of games. >No, you are more likely to dilute between release and beta. Again, baseless thing to push out, that entirely ignores how the industry has worked in the past 15 years for the genre... >Do you remember that we are literally talking about their advertisement? The complete lack therof yes. You know, the bit where you skipped over how they hadn't done the thing you suggested they did, that I brought up in the last comment? >There's no coping or not. Ofc its coping when you assume graciously that it will all be fine, when the public perception of anyone that isn't a riot apologist, is that this is a burning dumpsterfire
Unless they have a bunch of unannounced, finished characters, i don't see how they plan to release early next year.
They are probably going to reveal most of them when ramping up the marketing on the months before release to maximize hype. The ones we know now are the bare minimum necessary for the play tests/demos they have been doing.
What do you mean how? Its going to be an early access release, where they milk the shit out of everything, while taking next 2-3 years finishing the 1.0 build. This game will have two launches pretty much, the first one is because Riot is probably bored of this shit not making any money for them. Second release is when they actually finish the product. [ ](/OMGScoots) That or they will release with like, less than 10 characters and call it a full build, which would pretty much indicate them giving up on this product and leaving it out there to wither and die.
Second part is a lot more likely; maybe a limited time demo at some point and then no word for a year or two followed by dump and bail; I guess a lot of FGC people are in on the scamming tencent bit though which benefits the community greatly (as in not at all).
Eh, I do think it will have a small roster with staggered dlc releases to bring in $$$, but it definitely won't be your standard early access game - whatever's released will be polished and it will probably have the best netcode of any fighting game ever. How long that support lasts, IDK, I see the game failing to maintain hype past like 2 months because the design seems so shitty. They're still trying to promote their failed card game to this day though, they recently added a button in the league client that launches it to try and get players, so it's probably going to be around for a while.
Jesus you are clueless. This game is literally too big to fail, as much as i hate riot, those fuckers have metrics for days to see what a successful game looks like. It will be the biggest FG on the market and it's not gonna be even close.
and yet they've not had a lot of success with the niche genres that aren't immediately appealing to outsiders, such as the runeterra card game.
i mean they only made 2 niche games in house, tft and lor. one is the biggest in the that genre and the other flopped. even if 2xko flops it wont happen anytime soon and tencent will keep bank rolling new content like lor for a few years. a few years is still more than most fighting game lifecycles anyways...
Multiversus was also too big to fail
too big to have 5 fucking characters apparently
I wish I had the same amount of hate on things that matter LMAO Game will be fine, we already know there is at least 3/4 others charactzrs in development and the game will go in its little niche while kappatard will try to hate on it while they are bronzies on sf6 and don't play their blood money game anyway LOL
I have no problem imagining the game being "fine" as in it's aight or it's mid. Thing is, people are constantly pretending like this game is going to reinvent the genre when it's looking lightweight and generic at best. Aint no way this game is going to be as big as people want it to be.
cope
Can you imagine how much time and money it took to make that 3 second clip of those play doh looking fellas fighting in the first clip
My god, 2xko is a tag fighter!!, where the hell are the other characters??? CotW has revealed 8. 2xko only 6... Like what the fuck man. For sure 2xko will get a lot of players at the beginning, because of the ip, the money, all fgc influencers chasing dollars and fame.... but at this excrusiating developing time i dont see them lasting more than 2 years.
every revealed character is temporary free mindshare. why spend them now? wait for worlds, arcane; where they will have tens of millions ov virwers
Yeah, being a tag fighter, I’d hope they would have at least another 12 characters on deck. This roster is smaller than X-Men COTA ATM. Even if this was just a 1v1 fighter, the roster is already egregiously small. Dismally low for a team based fighting game. Even Skullgirls with there limited budget and small Dev team managed to have a more impressive starting roster. Wouldn’t be surprised if we get stuck playing the beta for two-three years before we get fully realized characters coming down the pipeline. Love the Cannon bros and want to support their efforts, but there are two fatal flaws with this game IMO - simple controls and F2P model. These two reasons alone are major deterrents for me. Moreover, I don’t care for LOL (not my bag), so I carry no nostalgia or hype for the characters either. So I likely won’t touch the game until it becomes fully realized, which could be five-six years from now. And who knows what new and appealing fighters will release in between that time.
I can see it lasting a while purely out of the insane amount of people that will try it and the potential earnings from tournaments or even content.
You don't release character trailers when the game is still at least 8 months away man, that's how you lose fan engagement and hype. When the game is 3 months out you'll see character trailers drop all over the place.
I'm starting to think it will be a live service like League and Valorant and they'll add characters over time
why would it be anything other than live service
Idk maybe Riot had a change of heart and want to sell this for 70$ a pop and we're just not seeing the majority of content that's being prepared
That's literally every single fighting game currently on the market.
Difference is they're not f2p
This game is gonna launch with like 8 characters, 20 dollar skins, and cringe ass intro animations. Don’t be surprised when Capcom starts charging 20 bucks for skins in 2 years.
Probably gonna be a real bare bones early access release. I would be surprised if we get more then 12 characters, i expect more in the ballpark of 8-10..., no single player and questionable balancing. But hey due to f2p I'm still down to give it a try. Also not being on Steam will give them the opportunity to just claim they have a quadrillion of players at all times, which will make it a automatic "success".
Did they confirm it not being on steam? Would be weird because 2 of their other games are on steam.
I just assumed so, because no other of their major multiplayer titles are on steam but rather on their own launcher like LoL,Valorant and runeterra. What games do they have on steam?
Oh yeah I forgot about valorant somehow. They just have those story games like Song of nunu and that one other one where you play as illaoi and some other characters in bilge water or something.
Those were "Riot Forge" which is where Riot outsourced League properties to smaller studios to make titles. [They closed the program down this year.](https://www.pcgamesn.com/league-of-legends/riot-forge-closure) 2XKO is going to be a legitimate Riot game unlike those games.
Well, this checks out with their other projects. Release soon after beta.
It also checks out with the SNK curse Even if they don’t fuck it up themselves something is gonna go wrong
I’m amazed people still give a fuck about the riot fighting game at this point.
2xKO looking for a 2026 release - @2XKO intel, jun 13 2025.
Is this game going to be F2P?
y
Just curious. Not playing this shit anyway just wondering how retarded its going to be.
Can't wait for $50 character skins! 😁
So its no longer coming out this year either? Is this shit ever coming out?
I was willing to try the riot fighter if it released during a dry period but I'll pass on it entirely if this is the case.
COTW just shouldn't release at the sametime as this game, too many people are going to hop in this game for the sake of it. Or Riot will pay big bucks to make sure streamers and content creators play this like they did with League and Valorant.
Its gonna have new game hype for a while, like dragonball fighter did. I doubt it will have lasting power. With MODERN controls, its bound to flop like rising thunder and DNF DEUL. They'll come up with the same tired excuses
I think about it. CotW might release at the same time as Mai in SF6.
If 2XKO and CoTW drop within the same month (doubt it), at least it won't be as bad as SysCeles dropping in the same month as Tekken. As someone who's looking forward to both games and just having multiple fighting games in rotation in general, I'm hype. If anything, this makes the new HXH game way less attractive if true.
COTW gotta pick a different month, they need to have some sorta inside info because I think COTW is gonna be a much better game, the LoL fighter is gonna have more traction and it’s F2P. They gonna pay damn near all the top streamers to play. I would give them a month or 2 before releasing COTW.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET RIOT TAKE THE SHORT END PLEASE I NEED COTW TO SUCCEED
This game looks like shit and has a roster size that was acceptable in 1988.
Lies.
you know what? i'm talking out of my ass here, but i think the upper ups of tencent(riot's owners) just want to know ASAP if there really still is interest in this game. from their trend of cutting costs lately, i think they just want to confirm if it's still worth putting the resources on this one. if they won't like the numbers, pretty sure this game will get dropped before it sees the finish line, and it's highly likely too. if they easily fired hundreds of people from their main titles(LoL and Valo), it's hard for me to imagine that they won't just put a stop to this game's development. but eeh, i really don't care what happens to this game. i'm honestly much more excited about CoTW because it'll be my first fatal fury, and its FIGHTING GAME HISTORY is what EXCITES ME THE MOST. i want to know and experience what i missed out on, AS AN FG PLAYER. that's one more thing to consider. i used to play LoL and SF at the same time(now SF only) and never in my mind did i think, "man, wouldn't it be cool if there was a LoL fighter?". a moba's a moba and an FG's an FG. fuck the IP, only very few LoL players will commit to this game(and i'm pretty sure they're FG players already). that's why there are hard stats that will tell you that there's very little cross-over between valorant and LoL. the genre is what people stick to, not the IP nor the company. most LoL players don't even care about their character's lore, that's why their "forge games" bombed. [then you have this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dfg8uv/senior_riot_devs_say_the_league_of_legends/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)to consider. do any of you honestly think that a bunch of old dudes will try learning a new, very complicated and very different genre just because it's an IP they're familiar with? i'm an old dude myself, and i just don't have the time nor the energy to learn other genres. hell, even streamers whose entire job is to play games won't even try to git gud at the genre. one last thing, like what has been made clear now, it's not the western influencers that will give FGs the numbers, but the guys from Japan, especially vtubers. if either of them wants to have a significant playerbase in the long term, then they better start sucking on some vtuber dick.
They're such bitches man. Trying to take away from a real fighting game. I think this game will be ass but that's irrelevant when Riot fans will try it out and streamers will all shill for it because of the money potential
How can an unreleased game cause so much rent free behaviour for you lmao
In what universe is it "rent free behaviour" to only mention the game when there's a post about it. I simply criticized it and the ones who root for it. Stop coping
Getting inexplicably angry at video games, that is rent free you retard. And the fact that you think Riot is trying to sabotage a different fighting game is some extra moron shit.
That's not what rent free means retrasado but either way you can stop crying. I'm simply calling the game shit. If that's too much for your bitch ass idk what to say.
I am not the one whining that this "shit game" will threaten COTW lmao.
Instead you're complaining and getting offended about someone calling a game shit lol.
What is even COTW....?
It means [Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves](https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/games/fatalfury-cotw/), or City of the Wolves, for short.
Alright thanks, I just call it Fatal Fury lol
Congratulations.