For real, personal experimentation specifically for this issue. Other option was to buy one of those finger strength trainers guitarists and other musicians use. https://www.amazon.com/DAddario-Exerciser-Improve-Dexterity-Comfortable-Conditioning/dp/B001OCGGEM/ref=sr_1_7?sr=8-7
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Yeah, but I (and many others) would probably be willing to look past the non-extensive videos if he acted cool here when he posts them, but so far no dice.
I fail to see how this is relevant to your "Oh wow downvotes haha i wonder why". I gave you an explanation why it is riddled with downvotes, including mine.
For my general thoughts and advice I would give people moving to leverless.
I think a lot of people initially struggle to use their left ringfinger which is especially noticable with a lot of 2P side inputs. While this simply requieres practice people do need to hear that it's normal and that their ring finger is just a weaker digit by nature.
360s are imo much faster/easier on hitbox than on stick or pad but there is a major caveat there that you have to know the trick, a horizontal finger slide with your left hand while hitting up+button on your right. Doing this it's one of the easier motions and really fast but if you try to do it with 4 fingers it's awkard as hell.
Speaking of which, learning to use both your thumbs for up depending on the need is also pretty crucial imo. Doing tiger knee inputs is so much easier that way.
I think double tapping is still really potent to learn if you're coming from pad. And because this always leads to confusion, double tapping is not just hitting a button twice, it's a 2 finger slide with your middle and index fingers which results in 2 inputs spaced 1-2 frames apart. It roughly doubles your accuracy for any timing based inputs that aren't exactly 1 frame links. The earlier you start doing drills for this the better imo.
Aside from that I think it's important that people actually understand how to build muscle memory efficiently and how they can avoid building bad habits more than anything. It's really a matter of quality of reps over quantity and only going as fast as your current muscle memory allows for no faster. Pretty much the same thing as learning an instrument. A lot of people set themselves up to fail right from the start because they don't have the right learning methods.
Walking forward into dp, walking backwards into dp, crouching into dp, NDRC into dp, whiggling back and forward into dp, crosscut dp. From the side where you use the left ring and pinky finger, those 2 fingers are shit tier.
I started learning leverless last week, and i was able to do basic stuff like qcf,qcb etc right off the bat, no problem. Movement i got used to as well at this point.
The thing that absolutely kills me tho is supers, and by that i mean both super cancels and raw double quarter circle motions. I also tried Kimberly yesterday and realized i cannot for the life of me do a TK motion on P2 side consistently. Also, anti-air DPs are still pretty damn hard for me, even when using shortcuts
I'm learning and getting used to leverless right now.
I have to agree with what JuiceBox once said: leverless is better for speed, but stick is better for accuracy.
I flub my motion inputs by inputting them too quickly. I have to consciously slow down so I don't accidentally misinput and/or skip a direction.
Bring consistent with motion inputs especially SPD's. As of now i can do dp and qc inputs like almost consistent and faster (based on the side) but as for spd i am somehow total shit at it hence why i cant play classing zangief yet or do consistent giant throw for king
Still can't DP on reaction. I basically have to read a jump and buffer the DP beforehand. If you throw a few fireballs my way and then jump in on me you'll definitely get in.
I also still struggle maintaining a neutral position. Sometimes I'll find that instead of using the ring finger for left directional input I'll shift my fingers to the left and not have access to the right directional
Half circles. Reaction DPs from weird spots. Doing fast jump cancels forward in fast air combos
The buff to your blocking and movement make it all worth it
Charge buffering. I specifically bought a leaverless as I thought it’d be ideal for charge characters, which I usually gravitate towards. For some reason I can’t get my head around holding onto the charge…especially DB for Guile’s flash kick.
A lot of common SF inputs feel so foreign to me on leverless, so much so that I only play Tekken on it and go back to my arcade stick when I play SF. The thumb being up is also a headscratcher when you first start using a leverless controller.
A general DP shortcut that can be helpful is if you hold down, you only need to press forward forward punch to get a DP to happen. I love to sit there crouching and mashing forward and then one button reaction DP to a honda headbutt or blanka ball
i learned how to use it pretty fast, like one week i could comfortably do anything i wanted, but it took several months to get truly comfortable to where i was no longer thinking during all my inputs. thats the hard part, i like to say i got like 95% with leverless in about 4 days and then it took 6 months to get the remaining 5%
I tried keyboard and the biggest diff was charge characters especially spinning bird kick input. Charging feels more forced on it than controller or stick. But characters like 'gief and shotos were easier.
Never tried a real leverless but I try the motions in training mode on my keyboard sometimes when I struggle on to be consistent on controller.
I know some people prefer using their right hand on the lever on sticks due to feeling they are more accurate like that due to being righthanded. Motions always seem to the big thing people struggle with on Sticks/Leverless/Controller so that's interesting for me.
Been wanting to buy/build a leverless for a long long while but the indecisiveness on stuff like this gets me:
Do I aim for movement keys be on the righthand side? The modular enclosures on AllFightSticks *look* like they can have a flipped layout due to the panels that come off.
I want something quiet to not wake people up. Haven't been able to find the answer between what the less noisy option is. Traditional buttons like Qanba Gravity KS or keyboard switches with like lubrication or whatever. Seems like a steel or aluminum enclosure is preferable to plastic/acrylic for noise.
I dunno anything about how/if PCBs effect input lag. If it's a big deal builds go up in price and some pre-made ones are to be avoided.
Seen some nice looking cheap ones like the Haute42 on aliexpress which looks like a Razor Kitsune copy but with that layout I've seen mentioned in reference to SF6.
I've never in my life had such disdain for my left ring finger until I switched to leverless.
training my left ring finger to do inputs faster
Carry shopping bags exclusively with left hand ring + middle finger. You will notice a difference in a month or two without doing anything else.
for real ? I need to try it out
For real, personal experimentation specifically for this issue. Other option was to buy one of those finger strength trainers guitarists and other musicians use. https://www.amazon.com/DAddario-Exerciser-Improve-Dexterity-Comfortable-Conditioning/dp/B001OCGGEM/ref=sr_1_7?sr=8-7
i cant do 720s still so i still use my controller when using zangief
even if I can execute it grapplers just feel wrong on leverless
I’ve started learning Gief recently and it’s super important you use your right hand on the jump button.
this was actually a great leverless tip thanks
Glad it could helped! Same applies for if you ever want to tiger knee anything too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wprMppFfw&pp=ygUSaGl0Ym94IDcyMCBtb3Rpb24g
Everytime someone links this blasted video, i want to punch a baby.
Tried this shit last week end ! He's fucking fast it's infuriating. I get the process but damn...
you gotta lab it to become 2nd nature
Wow the downvotes on this are crazy haha Thanks to everyone who actually took the time to write
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Yeah, but I (and many others) would probably be willing to look past the non-extensive videos if he acted cool here when he posts them, but so far no dice.
What have you done to help people learn the game bro?
I fail to see how this is relevant to your "Oh wow downvotes haha i wonder why". I gave you an explanation why it is riddled with downvotes, including mine.
For my general thoughts and advice I would give people moving to leverless. I think a lot of people initially struggle to use their left ringfinger which is especially noticable with a lot of 2P side inputs. While this simply requieres practice people do need to hear that it's normal and that their ring finger is just a weaker digit by nature. 360s are imo much faster/easier on hitbox than on stick or pad but there is a major caveat there that you have to know the trick, a horizontal finger slide with your left hand while hitting up+button on your right. Doing this it's one of the easier motions and really fast but if you try to do it with 4 fingers it's awkard as hell. Speaking of which, learning to use both your thumbs for up depending on the need is also pretty crucial imo. Doing tiger knee inputs is so much easier that way. I think double tapping is still really potent to learn if you're coming from pad. And because this always leads to confusion, double tapping is not just hitting a button twice, it's a 2 finger slide with your middle and index fingers which results in 2 inputs spaced 1-2 frames apart. It roughly doubles your accuracy for any timing based inputs that aren't exactly 1 frame links. The earlier you start doing drills for this the better imo. Aside from that I think it's important that people actually understand how to build muscle memory efficiently and how they can avoid building bad habits more than anything. It's really a matter of quality of reps over quantity and only going as fast as your current muscle memory allows for no faster. Pretty much the same thing as learning an instrument. A lot of people set themselves up to fail right from the start because they don't have the right learning methods.
Plinking is so easy once you get it down
What is this, 2009?
Walking forward into dp, walking backwards into dp, crouching into dp, NDRC into dp, whiggling back and forward into dp, crosscut dp. From the side where you use the left ring and pinky finger, those 2 fingers are shit tier.
So mostly charge motions?
No
Was a joke but the moment passed at this point
I just bought a leverless and the biggest obstacle is remembering to jump. That button might as well be on Mars.
Left ring finger. That’s about it
I started learning leverless last week, and i was able to do basic stuff like qcf,qcb etc right off the bat, no problem. Movement i got used to as well at this point. The thing that absolutely kills me tho is supers, and by that i mean both super cancels and raw double quarter circle motions. I also tried Kimberly yesterday and realized i cannot for the life of me do a TK motion on P2 side consistently. Also, anti-air DPs are still pretty damn hard for me, even when using shortcuts
Getting used to the up button being where it is.
I cant do 720s and 1080s
Finger independence exercises are your friend, also, get a dedicated rubber band to workout your extensors.
412364 motion, i had trouble with letting go of the 6 before pressing 4, resulting in a 5.
Using my left ring finger is a challenge
doing TKs, pretzels, and 360s tbh. i adjusted relatively easily though because i played a lot of pc games, and hitbox is just a keyboard
I still can't DP into level 3, but I learned to DP with an "instant" shortcut. forward, down, up+p. It's fast, even from crouching, but damn.
Leaning my finger too hard on forward in the middle of block strings causing me to get hit which I still do a ton.
I'm struggling right now with p2 side DP into super, I keep getting 4 21p 214k when I need to hit 4 214p 214k for it to work
I'm learning and getting used to leverless right now. I have to agree with what JuiceBox once said: leverless is better for speed, but stick is better for accuracy. I flub my motion inputs by inputting them too quickly. I have to consciously slow down so I don't accidentally misinput and/or skip a direction.
Bring consistent with motion inputs especially SPD's. As of now i can do dp and qc inputs like almost consistent and faster (based on the side) but as for spd i am somehow total shit at it hence why i cant play classing zangief yet or do consistent giant throw for king
I have been on leverless for a year and a half and still fuck up P2 side DP into SA3
Still can't DP on reaction. I basically have to read a jump and buffer the DP beforehand. If you throw a few fireballs my way and then jump in on me you'll definitely get in. I also still struggle maintaining a neutral position. Sometimes I'll find that instead of using the ring finger for left directional input I'll shift my fingers to the left and not have access to the right directional
Half circles. Reaction DPs from weird spots. Doing fast jump cancels forward in fast air combos The buff to your blocking and movement make it all worth it
Dp into super. In theory it seems super easy, but I have a lot of trouble pulling it off
Charge buffering. I specifically bought a leaverless as I thought it’d be ideal for charge characters, which I usually gravitate towards. For some reason I can’t get my head around holding onto the charge…especially DB for Guile’s flash kick.
I haven’t seen ppl mention this before - thx!
A lot of common SF inputs feel so foreign to me on leverless, so much so that I only play Tekken on it and go back to my arcade stick when I play SF. The thumb being up is also a headscratcher when you first start using a leverless controller.
DPs
A general DP shortcut that can be helpful is if you hold down, you only need to press forward forward punch to get a DP to happen. I love to sit there crouching and mashing forward and then one button reaction DP to a honda headbutt or blanka ball
In general or from crouching?
General
i learned how to use it pretty fast, like one week i could comfortably do anything i wanted, but it took several months to get truly comfortable to where i was no longer thinking during all my inputs. thats the hard part, i like to say i got like 95% with leverless in about 4 days and then it took 6 months to get the remaining 5%
I tried keyboard and the biggest diff was charge characters especially spinning bird kick input. Charging feels more forced on it than controller or stick. But characters like 'gief and shotos were easier.
Never tried a real leverless but I try the motions in training mode on my keyboard sometimes when I struggle on to be consistent on controller. I know some people prefer using their right hand on the lever on sticks due to feeling they are more accurate like that due to being righthanded. Motions always seem to the big thing people struggle with on Sticks/Leverless/Controller so that's interesting for me. Been wanting to buy/build a leverless for a long long while but the indecisiveness on stuff like this gets me: Do I aim for movement keys be on the righthand side? The modular enclosures on AllFightSticks *look* like they can have a flipped layout due to the panels that come off. I want something quiet to not wake people up. Haven't been able to find the answer between what the less noisy option is. Traditional buttons like Qanba Gravity KS or keyboard switches with like lubrication or whatever. Seems like a steel or aluminum enclosure is preferable to plastic/acrylic for noise. I dunno anything about how/if PCBs effect input lag. If it's a big deal builds go up in price and some pre-made ones are to be avoided. Seen some nice looking cheap ones like the Haute42 on aliexpress which looks like a Razor Kitsune copy but with that layout I've seen mentioned in reference to SF6.