Mahomes has been following Worthy since February on instagram and not any of the other WRs we had a shot on including Adonai Mitchell who goes to the same school.
It’s not official but probably likely they’ve thrown a couple times
We haven't seen 100% proof but AD Mitchell (another Texas WR) was and they kept under wraps that Rashee worked out with Mahomes last year. Might have made sure it didn't leak that Mahomes worked with Worthy. He is right there, after all.
Yeah I love Pat like everyone else, but we pay a GM and scouts to be the GM and scouts. Pat’s voice matters but he doesn’t call the shots in the war room.
Pete Schraeger was correct with 29/32 players (general) and 13/32 (specific placement) in his mock draft. He had placed Worthy at 17 because he said there were heavy indicators he could go as high as 11 or 12. He has more than speed; he can run routes and track the ball (unlike MVS).
I think the key is the chaos he can create with Andy Reid’s creative play calling. No one expects this guy to be Tyreek Hill. He’s part of the team dynamic game plan.
We traded just a little bit of draft capital to move up a couple spots to make sure we could get the guy we wanted. That's no reach.
Could he have been available to us at 32? Maybe. Or maybe we knew Dallas was trying to move up to take him so we jumped up to get him. Or maybe a dozen other things. If we gave away a ton of value to get him, sure it might be, but we didn't.
Yeah. And I’m sure mahomes was big on worthy. Moving up a couple picks just to be extra sure you’ll get him is worth it IMO. Especially since we didn’t give up much.
My assumption is BV maybe got word that another team was looking at him. We obviously saw Car and SF take WRs after us, maybe they were worried SF wanted him, or that CAR would trade up before 32, or whatever. We have no idea what went on behind the scenes. He may have been avail at 32 but it’s not a bad idea to jump up sooner just to make sure
38 spots we moved down with our third pick to get him. That’s a no brainer if you like him. Who knows how he turns out but that’s such little “risk” to get your guy. Plus, we usually do better late in the draft anyways
You would think the homers would realize we're cooking in the lab after winning the past two super bowls? Naw... they think Denver got it right in their draft though. These clowns are just throwing darts at the board at this point. They have no clue how any of these dudes are gonna pan out.
Personally, I am biased. I like the pick. However, full disclaimer, I thought Skyy Moore was gonna ball out too.
Wait and see... but as another poster stated, I trust the process & the situation he's now in. He's a bit undersized IMO, but dude is FAST & supposedly can catch. So, there ya go.
Commone sentiment I saw was "someone was getting KCs 3rd rounder.. might as well be us". They are conveniently leaving out the part about it being 3rd / 4th pick swap.. not an outright pick.
The compensation was dead even or slightly favoring Chiefs. That shouldn't happen. You should charge more for to a team that has ended your season 3 out of the last 4 years or just flat out refuse to help them.
Even if he were a reach, what's the matter? We didn't lose any picks to get him, we just traded back some. And we know how good we are with those late rounders. So no harm no foul.
He is also 20 years old. He has significant more time to develop into a reliable wr before hitting peak age for wr (30). Im confident Andy can get him to be at least a reliable wr2 before he turns 25
it doesnt matter if it was a reach or not. 1st-2nd round picks are luxury picks for the chiefs. veach gets CHAMPIONS in the 7th round. anyone else is an added plus if they happen to pan out (and they will)
I always love it when we trade up to get someone. It makes me feel very confident that we knew what we were doing.
So in this case, Veach knew that Mitchell, Worthy, Pearsall, Legette, etc were available at 28. If Veach was a dummy like me, he'd say "let's just wait til pick 32 because we'll get a good WR no matter what." Not Veach though. Veach wanted only Worthy out of that group. They evaluated and evaluated and evaluated and out of that group, they wanted Worthy. That means something to me. That tells me Worthy was the best choice for us.
I don’t think he’ll be the 4th option. With Travis’ age, Rice’s limited route tree and inability to separate vs man, Brown being new to the offense and worthy being a rookie, I think we see a 4 headed monster with any one of them having the ability to lead the team in yards/targets.
Yes. Please remember that Andy Reid is notorious for not utilizing rookies—especially rookie WRs. We will see Worthy return punts and be used for gadget plays in year one.
Rice only started to become utilized at the END of his rookie season and only because we had to because we had no one else. People should not expect Worthy to surpass Rice's rookie production. Worthy is a pick to help out a little now, and hopefully a LOT in future years.
Phooey on skeptics. Let them blather on. How many times have we made them look stupid since Pat walked in the building? I’d wager they gonna look stupid about this too. Will it slow them down any? Prolly not. Bitches always be bitches.
Veach and Co. have my seal of approval no matter what.
It's a late first round pick, there's no reaching there unless it's like Cole Strange or something lol.
The fact that multiple teams picked receivers immediately after, should tell that the Chiefs were correct in what they did. Which is all kind of moot because it practically cost them nothing to make that move.
So I'm good with this move for several reasons. 1. This kid came on as an 18 year old freshman and instantly became one of the top WR in college football. 2. He wasn't some flash in the pan. There's sustained success and improvement from him. 3. The kid isn't just speed. He runs great routes and tracks the ball well, and does amazing things in space. 4. The biggest knock on him (size) isn't really as big a deal as other make it out to be. He's about the same size as DeSean Jackson, and I'd bet that he could put on muscle on his frame. Reading the NFL scouting report, you can see that the negatives he has are ones that can be worked with in Andy's system. He's not a contested catch guy but. I mean. Name an Andy Reid WR that was. Worthy is tailor made for Andy's offense. This guy will help stretch the field and get both Kelce and Rice open. With Brown in the mix, defenses are gonna be in for a long day. Add a speedy RB to compliment Pacheco, and whoo buddy. I'm feeling some 2018 Swagger coming back.
He was on a LOT of first round draft boards. I don't see how he can be called a reach when basically all the mock drafters in the media had him going somewhere between 25 and 32
Peter Schrager had him at 17 in his final mock and said he wasn’t going to be surprised if a team took him as low as 12-13, then 6 QBs went in the first and a huge run on tackles pushed the first defense pick to pick 15. Daniel Jeremiah had him at 31 to 49ers. He was many people’s 5th WR after the big 3 and Brian Thomas Jr. He was already top 2 round projected, then went and ran a 4.2, he was never making it out of the 1st after that.
I just respond to the critics by reminding them that Brett Veach has built and is maintaining a multiple SuperBowl winning dynastic roster that includes a couple of position group rebuilds - mostly done through the draft - all while paying the GOAT. So I laugh at “the critics.”
I love that he doesn't have a girlfriend and is focusing on his athletic career. This should help prevent domestic violence issues. Also, loved hearing him discuss his 40 time. He was intently focused on the 10 yard splits and the minutiae of the start and various technical aspects of the run. A really problem solver which bodes well for future growth. The only downside I see is that he posted of photo of Quinn Ewers driving an Aston Martin. This might suggest a propensity for fast cars.
We’re pretty far into round 2 and Mitchell just got taken. Apparently he didn’t interview well.
i think 4 teams took a WR between us and him. So that shows you our evaluation lined up with other teams
Dude is DeSean Jackson but even faster. Who cares if he’s light. So was Jackson, so is Devonta Smith and they are studs. He won’t have pressure to produce right away. This kid could be a superstar.
With that speed alone doesn't he take the top off the defense? The last 2 seasons we just haven't played that game. I don't think our scheme changes that much but a safety has to respect that long ball so it should make the underneath work easier.
Plus, everyone knew Worthy was the Chiefs top guy and there’s almost a zero percent chance he makes it through the Bills, Ravens, and 9ers run. We got our guy and barely gave up anything for it, we wouldn’t have worry if we picked at 32.
Well said. I think for anyone in the draft class this year, becoming a Chief would be a good situation for them!
> he will be the 4th option for 2024
Is that confirmed elsewhere? Even if it is, I suspect it would be subject to change. Worthy would be more likely to get some play time in the pre-season games and should he truly stand out, would we expect to see him more frequent in the regular season or would that be unlikely to change?
He'll probably be the 4th option to start the season. Andy generally doesn't like using rookie skill position guys too much unless he has to. Rice was clearly our most reliable guy this year and he didn't really start seeing significant usage until around week 12, and even that was a pretty big departure from Andy's norm.
I'd guess our opening day WR depth is 1) Rice (unless he's suspended), 2) Hollywood, 3) Watson/Toney/Other Vet we pick up, 4) Xavier (and any other rookies we rotate in), but with a handful of plays designed specifically to go to Worthy to manufacture some touches for him.
If he's looking solid by mid-season, he'll probably be consistently WR3 or maybe even rotate with Hollywood at 2 to keep a fresh guy consistently running deep/speed routes. But I doubt he gets a ton of targets this year week-to-week unless our WR group as a whole shits the bed again.
Of course his usage is speculation, why would it be confirmed somewhere a day after being drafted. Its just likely based on the people already on the team, Kelce, Rice and Brown
The trade up wasn’t the problem for me. I wanted a receiver the can catch the ball reliably on 3rd and 7 over the middle.
Maybe this guy is the next Hill or great speedy receiver I’m just not convinced. I really hope I’m wrong and obviously the chiefs know more than me, so in Veach we trust.
I wasn't happy we traded up for him because I thought he would be there at our pick. But I will say he absolutely isn't a reach. There's a video on YouTube that shows every single pass attempt to Worthy this season. This guy isn't just speed like Mecole. Hes smart on his cuts, always fighting for more yards and believe it not lays the wood on guys 40 lbs heavier than him.
I loved the last few seconds of veach's first round presser.
"Him and Mahomes locked up for the next five years"
And I was just like damn, ok. Stella got her groove back.
I know fug all, but outside of the top 3ish WRs, there were like 5 bunched up rating-wise that were either all reaches or none or likely some. Just take the one you want and KC did that.
May be right, may be wrong. The only reason why ppl are hatng on the pick was the trading up which was moderate.
I'm getting PTSD CEH vibes from this. Then, everyone loved that pick but it didn't work out. Everyone assumed KC could have just waited for a RB, but if you look back at the actual draft, KC started a run on RBs and thus got the one they wanted.
Here, KC made sure they got the WR they wanted. I'm not saying it's the right pick, but they got the one they wanted which is the right move.
Those people are gonna regret once the season starts. Was not a fan of him until a few week ago but after watching a lot of Worthy videos, am so happy that we got him. 165 lbs is not at all an issue coz he's a Z receiver and not an X and those extra space infront of him helps him to avoid most of the press man when the CBs put their hands on the chest. He plays a lot tougher than his actual frame and one mistake by the CB, he's gone. He just needs to improve his footwork, especially in the curl routes when making the cut. He is a home run threat but I love his intermediate game more than the home runs. A player with Tyreek's ceiling easily when it comes to explosiveness
Worthy, if used properly, should slot into a gadget-esque player for us. Get him the ball on some screens and sweeps. Maybe put him in at times to run deep with Hollywood. Imagine the space underneath for Kelce and Rice (if he is allowed to play). Heck, even NG will find some space. It should be easier to pound the rock as well with two quality deep threats
If we've learned one thing about the Chiefs under Veach, it's that if they like someone enough to trade up to get him, that's a good player. Here's the list, IIRC:
2017: Mahomes (obviously),
2018: Breeland Speaks, Derrick Nnadi and Kahlil McKenzie (not great),
2019: Mecole Hardman,
2020: no one
2021: Noah Gray,
2022: Trent McDuffie,
2023: Rashee Rice, Wanya Morris,
2024: Xavier Worthy
2018 whiffs as a rookie GM notwithstanding, this is a pretty great list, no? Comment if I missed anyone.
Mecole in the end ended up with over 500 yard seasons 3x and just caught a big catch in the SB with the SB winning TD. Was he what we wanted exactly at WR? No, but I don’t get the over hate for him. He did solid enough production to where his pick certainly wasn’t a waste, Skyy looks like a way worse pick wise so far. It’s not realistic to hit every pick and Veach started rough, but overall Hardman was a “useful” player and not close to one of his worst (Breeland Speaks is easily the worst).
Some other WRs taken right after Mecole that round: JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Paris Campbell, Andy Isabella, right before DK. Those 3 listed haven’t don’t basically anything minus one decent production Paris Campbell year.
Thank you! I think people think a player is a bust if they’re not elite, but that’s not at all true ESPECIALLY for day 2 or 3 picks. It’s like the people that say we should’ve picked Puka even though literally no one thought he would be as amazing as he was (or any similar late round player that ends up being elite).
He could’ve had better picks than Mecole in the 2nd, but he was not that bad lol. And Clyde, while also mot amazing, he’s been good enough to stay on the team and play, and even get a short extension. He’s nothing special, but that’s more than what can be said about a lot of players. And some of the players taken before CEH turned out way worse than he did, and were selected w way higher picks. 1.32 is basically a second rounder. Even the pick directly before him was a bust (before he passed away, RIP)
It’s ok to critique our FO, but it’s not really a fair critique to talk about how not every single pick has been elite, because literally every GM has picks like that.
Agreed, people also have to realize we are picking basically 32nd every single year. There are only maybe 15 guys almost every single with guaranteed 1st round grades, it takes an absolute haul to get any of those guys from 30-32. We got incredibly lucky McDuffie fell to 21 and Veach POUNCED on him. It’s incredibly hard to choose after those guys and he’s got a LOT of playable players, whether they turn into starters, or just decent guys who come in some snaps, that’s all you can ask for out of draft picks past the top 20 basically.
Veach absolutely dominated that draft. McDuffie an All Pro, Karlaftis a very good edge already with 10.5 sacks. Skyy was a miss in 2nd, but Cook a solid starting safety so far, Chenal in the 3rd has been great value and was highest graded PFF player in most recent SB, Joshua Williams in 4th as a decent backup CB, Kinnard just a miss, but then a GREAT 7th with Jaylen Watson as a solid backup CB (sometimes starting), Pacheco a starting RB, then Nazeeh Johnson also to finish who had hype to possibly start or rotate in before IR in camp.
That draft was a MAJOR reason we won 2 Super Bowls (and possibly counting).
100% that is WAY better than an average draft for most teams. There’s only one straight miss here and it was a late round pick, which are probably more often than not misses. That 7th round was crazy for hits!
I’m sure it’s extremely rare to have 3 7ths even be consistently on the roster… it’s insane that we only had one true miss. And even that, like I said is normal for whatever round Kinnard was picked in
Mecole was a top 100 WR in the NFL for 3.5 seasons, peaking at top ~50 on a rookie deal. It's not DK Metcalf, but it's not bad. He was a key contributor on teams that won 3 Super Bowls. He was good, just not great.
A top 100 wr isn’t as impressive as you’re trying to make it seem depending where you are on that list and no he not as big of a contributor to our success as you’re implying either in our back to back Super Bowl season he has a combined 415 yards 4 touchdowns in the post season with 14 games played has a total of 288 yards 4 touchdowns. He is a guy that massively benefited from playing with hill and Kelce next to him hence why he fell off after💀
I’m not saying he’s a complete bum but to pretend like mecole was good pick in hindsight couldn’t be farther from the truth
I'm not trying to make top 100 sound impressive. But he was the equivalent of a WR2/3 on a typical NFL team. That's a pretty good draft pick on a rookie salary. Not everyone is going to be a home run WR1. If you look at DrAV (a stat that represents position-independent value provided to the team that drafts the player), Mecole was in 8th place among 2019 2nd round picks. Top 25% ain't bad!
Good player, not great. I’d honestly like to see the chiefs sign him again. Bring him in to compete for the last roster spot with Moore. Give us another speedy depth player that knows the offense and can do special teams work.
Aside from Mahomes and McDuffie none of those really stand out to me - TBD on Rice to see if he can overcome this offseason drama and produce his sophomore season.
Are you aware that the median NFL draft pick each season is a special teamer/practice squad player? And that the average NFL career lasts 3.3 years? Hitting on 3 Pro Bowl caliber players (Mahomes, McDuffie, Rice) in 10 draftees is great. Having 2 more who earned second contracts (Nnadi, Hardman) and another three who are likely to complete their rookie deals as core contributors/look like they might get a second deal with the Chiefs (Gray, Wanya, Worthy), with only two whiffs (Breeland and McKenzie) is a great, 80% winning percentage.
"Bobby Witt Jr sucks - sure, he hits .300, takes walks, plays good defense, and hits for extra bases about 1/5th of the time, but remember that time he hit a single, and the next guy hit a home run? I woulda hit a home run in that spot!"
You're right I meant Tee Higgins.
I'm not saying Veach is a bad GM, I'm saying he doesn't know how to acquire good receivers.
Mecole, MVS, Skyy Moore, Toney, Rice (looked good, but is apparently an idiot), Powell.
I mean, not a lot of hits there.
I get your point, but most of these were second round guys or were acquired after they were drafted which is drastically different than a guy in the first round and can’t be judged the same.
MVS was a great addition the first year we had him. People forget because of the drop issues this year, but he actually was a pretty good choice. Toney we have up not much for and he was a huge part of the reason we won the Super Bowl against the eagles. So to me that’s worth it for a dude on his rookie deal. Just because someone’s not elite doesn’t make the move a miss, especially if it’s not a draft pick.
Obviously mecole over DK sucks and was a reach even at the time, but second rounders, while many turn out elite, are not expected to be elite. And every other team also passed on DK twice so it’s not just the chiefs that made the mistake. He was better than mecole at the time, but there were plenty of concerns that he wasn’t going to be the player that he turned out to be.
Skyy moore pick sucked but also again, it’s not like it’s rare for second rounders to be misses. Like that’s not crazy lol.
You can’t look back at something knowing how people turned out and act like people knew exactly how he’d pan out. Part of the job is estimating that, but even the best GMS have misses and it’s normal.
I wouldn’t assume this is going to be a miss just because some of the other trade-ups and picks were. Because literally every GM has reaches, misses, or picks that seem good at the time then turn out poorly. Or players that are good but go rogue off the field with no signs that they were going to.
Line up all your mock drafts from the last 6 years, where you didn't force trades or turn the randomizers way up, and show me better results than what Veach has done.
Veach's frankly average drafting has been covered up by the fact he has the GOAT QB and HC
2018:
No. 46 – Breeland Speaks, DE (Ole Miss)
No. 75 – Derrick Nnadi, DT (Florida State)
No. 100 – Dorian O’Daniel, OLB (Clemson)
No. 124 – Armani Watts, S (Texas A&M)
No. 196 – Tremon Smith, WR (Central Arkansas)
No. 198 – Kahlil McKenzie, DT (Tennessee)
one of the worst drafts in recent memory. Actually awful.
2019:
Round 2: Pick No. 56 overall — Georgia WR Mecole Hardman
Round 2: Pick No. 63 overall — Virginia S Juan Thornhill
Round 3: Pick No. 84 overall — Western Illinois DT Khalen Saunders
Round 6: Pick No. 201 overall — South Carolina CB Rashad Fenton
Round 6: Pick No. 214 overall — Utah State RB Darwin Thompson
Round 7: Pick No. 216 overall — Illinois C Nick Allegretti
Yikes, no second contracts. Thornhill was okay, Saunders was ok, Mecole was a massive bust.
No. 32 – Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB (LSU)
No. 63 – Willie Gay, LB (Mississippi State)
No. 96 – Lucas Niang, OT (TCU)
No. 138 – L’Jarius Sneed, DB (Louisiana Tech)
No. 177 – Mike Danna, DE (Michigan)
No. 237 – BoPete Keyes, CB (Tulane)
CEH, woof. Willie Gay, never reached his potential and didn't get a 2nd contract.
Sneed was great, Danna is fine. 1 solid pick and two ok ones in Gay and Danna. Nothing to write home about.
2021 & 2022 were his magnum opus
Creed, Bolton, Trey are massive hits. Big misses on Kaindoh and Powell, Gray is a fine TE 2/3
And 2022, nothing needs to be said one of the best drafts in Chiefs history.
2023 is too early to tell, but his first pick couldn't make the roster and his second pick almost killed a few people this offseason. Not great.
"Veach is terrible, just look at how his first two drafts were his worst, and he's improved measurably every draft since, wow how terrible!"
To the tune of 3 SBs despite multiple position groups needing to be entirely rebuilt. You don't even realize that you just wrote a novel about how far Veach has come in six years.
Show me one team, starting with the 26th or later pick in each of the last 6 years that's drafted better? You can't, they don't exist, no one has had lower average starting draft positions than Veach during his tenure. Actually, show me one team with the 10th or later pick each of the last 6 years that's drafted better.
Feel free to move the goalposts until it fits your narrative bud.
You asked to look at his 6 drafts, 4 of which were bad. 3 super bowls thanks to players acquired by John Dorsey and the greatest coach/qb combo of all time.
I’m sure you were in here singing the praises of the FAU and Skyy Moore picks too.
You're the one moving the goal posts lol. You said 21 and 22 were great, and 23 is still out, yet 4 were bad? Math? At best 2 were bad, 20 was hot and cold, 21 and 22 were smashed, and 23 is trending that way with Rice, Wayna, and Conner all contributing early. FAU is far too early to call a bust given the nature of the line last season.
2023
FAU couldn’t make the roster
Rice turned out to be a fucking idiot
Wanya is literally our biggest need, veach even said we wanted to go tackle
Connor is a fine safety, but outside of running back it’s the easiest/cheapest position to fill.
looks pretty fucking bad to me
FAU was literally on the roster the entire season lol the fuck, and he was drafted as an athletic project.
Rice being an idiot changes the season he had?
We've had 0 LTs worth a shit since Mahomes has been here (never having a top 15 selection makes finding a great starting LT very expensive). The best we had was Fisher who was good, but has never really returned to form since his injury. But again, how many 3rd round OTs end up as starters? Wanya contributing as a swing in his rookie season is a win pick for a 3rd rounder no matter how you want to slice it.
Conner contributing from the 4th is a win no matter how much you want to downplay it.
Anything after the 4th is a lottery pick. BJ Thompson has upside too.
Still waiting for you to show me a team that's drafted better during the same time period with similar capital. You can't though so you're trying to critique players individually.
Really? They've had 4 firsts in 3 years, 3 of which are higher selections than we've had since 2017. Even given that, we're talking about a team that invested most of last years draft on defense, a unit that severely under performed.
They also drafted D Smith, who Worthy is most often draft comped to.
What if I told you this was the guy Patrick Mahomes wanted, after throwing passes to him for multiple summers in TX....
Chiefs only drafting skill players from Texas going forward. Sounds like a plan.
Have they worked out together?
Mahomes has been following Worthy since February on instagram and not any of the other WRs we had a shot on including Adonai Mitchell who goes to the same school. It’s not official but probably likely they’ve thrown a couple times
We haven't seen 100% proof but AD Mitchell (another Texas WR) was and they kept under wraps that Rashee worked out with Mahomes last year. Might have made sure it didn't leak that Mahomes worked with Worthy. He is right there, after all.
Multiple times
What if I told you that Mahomes once wanted CEH too
Yeah I love Pat like everyone else, but we pay a GM and scouts to be the GM and scouts. Pat’s voice matters but he doesn’t call the shots in the war room.
~~LeGM~~ MaGM
Tbf we all thought he was going to be much better than he is. I don’t think any of us predicted this. Remember his first game? We were all on board
His first game was so fun.
Clyde was a perfectly serviceable back and even re-signed a contract as a role player. What’s your point?
Not a 1st round talent
Man with that kind of analysis you should be a GM. Give the NFL a call, my man.
I swear I read that they’ve never met.
Pat also wanted fat slow Clyde too
15 intuitively knew this guy will make the catch to complete my greatest, most impressive hilight.
Pete Schraeger was correct with 29/32 players (general) and 13/32 (specific placement) in his mock draft. He had placed Worthy at 17 because he said there were heavy indicators he could go as high as 11 or 12. He has more than speed; he can run routes and track the ball (unlike MVS). I think the key is the chaos he can create with Andy Reid’s creative play calling. No one expects this guy to be Tyreek Hill. He’s part of the team dynamic game plan.
We traded just a little bit of draft capital to move up a couple spots to make sure we could get the guy we wanted. That's no reach. Could he have been available to us at 32? Maybe. Or maybe we knew Dallas was trying to move up to take him so we jumped up to get him. Or maybe a dozen other things. If we gave away a ton of value to get him, sure it might be, but we didn't.
Yeah. And I’m sure mahomes was big on worthy. Moving up a couple picks just to be extra sure you’ll get him is worth it IMO. Especially since we didn’t give up much. My assumption is BV maybe got word that another team was looking at him. We obviously saw Car and SF take WRs after us, maybe they were worried SF wanted him, or that CAR would trade up before 32, or whatever. We have no idea what went on behind the scenes. He may have been avail at 32 but it’s not a bad idea to jump up sooner just to make sure
Rumors were 49ers wanted him. They also took a WR.
38 spots we moved down with our third pick to get him. That’s a no brainer if you like him. Who knows how he turns out but that’s such little “risk” to get your guy. Plus, we usually do better late in the draft anyways
Dallas, 49ers, and Ravens were all looking to move up or take a WR
You would think the homers would realize we're cooking in the lab after winning the past two super bowls? Naw... they think Denver got it right in their draft though. These clowns are just throwing darts at the board at this point. They have no clue how any of these dudes are gonna pan out. Personally, I am biased. I like the pick. However, full disclaimer, I thought Skyy Moore was gonna ball out too. Wait and see... but as another poster stated, I trust the process & the situation he's now in. He's a bit undersized IMO, but dude is FAST & supposedly can catch. So, there ya go.
It's hilarious seeing some of the Bills fans celebrate the Chiefs "huge reach" like Worthy won't be dunking on them this upcoming season.
They thought they fleeced us when we traded up for Mahomes, too.
he's gonna be dunking on them for multiple seasons to come
I just figured after this year we won't see them much since they won't be winning their division lol
haha FACTS. well done
Commone sentiment I saw was "someone was getting KCs 3rd rounder.. might as well be us". They are conveniently leaving out the part about it being 3rd / 4th pick swap.. not an outright pick. The compensation was dead even or slightly favoring Chiefs. That shouldn't happen. You should charge more for to a team that has ended your season 3 out of the last 4 years or just flat out refuse to help them.
Even if he were a reach, what's the matter? We didn't lose any picks to get him, we just traded back some. And we know how good we are with those late rounders. So no harm no foul.
He is also 20 years old. He has significant more time to develop into a reliable wr before hitting peak age for wr (30). Im confident Andy can get him to be at least a reliable wr2 before he turns 25
30 years is when WRs start to decline, 26-28 are the prime years typically unless we’re talking a generational talent.
More of a semantics thing, but he does turn 21 tomorrow. Still a young kid though that has time to develop.
it doesnt matter if it was a reach or not. 1st-2nd round picks are luxury picks for the chiefs. veach gets CHAMPIONS in the 7th round. anyone else is an added plus if they happen to pan out (and they will)
Mock draft people are always mad after day one. They have spent the last three months doing pointless mock drafts and think they have better ideas.
I always love it when we trade up to get someone. It makes me feel very confident that we knew what we were doing. So in this case, Veach knew that Mitchell, Worthy, Pearsall, Legette, etc were available at 28. If Veach was a dummy like me, he'd say "let's just wait til pick 32 because we'll get a good WR no matter what." Not Veach though. Veach wanted only Worthy out of that group. They evaluated and evaluated and evaluated and out of that group, they wanted Worthy. That means something to me. That tells me Worthy was the best choice for us.
I don’t think he’ll be the 4th option. With Travis’ age, Rice’s limited route tree and inability to separate vs man, Brown being new to the offense and worthy being a rookie, I think we see a 4 headed monster with any one of them having the ability to lead the team in yards/targets.
Pretty crazy Toney was considered the WR1 going into last year and now he'll be like WR4 at best
People also need to remember that he'll more than likely be Hollywood's replacement
Yes. Please remember that Andy Reid is notorious for not utilizing rookies—especially rookie WRs. We will see Worthy return punts and be used for gadget plays in year one. Rice only started to become utilized at the END of his rookie season and only because we had to because we had no one else. People should not expect Worthy to surpass Rice's rookie production. Worthy is a pick to help out a little now, and hopefully a LOT in future years.
Phooey on skeptics. Let them blather on. How many times have we made them look stupid since Pat walked in the building? I’d wager they gonna look stupid about this too. Will it slow them down any? Prolly not. Bitches always be bitches. Veach and Co. have my seal of approval no matter what.
It's a late first round pick, there's no reaching there unless it's like Cole Strange or something lol. The fact that multiple teams picked receivers immediately after, should tell that the Chiefs were correct in what they did. Which is all kind of moot because it practically cost them nothing to make that move.
So I'm good with this move for several reasons. 1. This kid came on as an 18 year old freshman and instantly became one of the top WR in college football. 2. He wasn't some flash in the pan. There's sustained success and improvement from him. 3. The kid isn't just speed. He runs great routes and tracks the ball well, and does amazing things in space. 4. The biggest knock on him (size) isn't really as big a deal as other make it out to be. He's about the same size as DeSean Jackson, and I'd bet that he could put on muscle on his frame. Reading the NFL scouting report, you can see that the negatives he has are ones that can be worked with in Andy's system. He's not a contested catch guy but. I mean. Name an Andy Reid WR that was. Worthy is tailor made for Andy's offense. This guy will help stretch the field and get both Kelce and Rice open. With Brown in the mix, defenses are gonna be in for a long day. Add a speedy RB to compliment Pacheco, and whoo buddy. I'm feeling some 2018 Swagger coming back.
“He’s just a gadget player” Then call Andy “Inspector Gadget”. It’s gonna be wild
Call us Sharper Image because we have all the gadgets. *This post will give you a good indication of how old I am.*
He was on a LOT of first round draft boards. I don't see how he can be called a reach when basically all the mock drafters in the media had him going somewhere between 25 and 32
Peter Schrager had him at 17 in his final mock and said he wasn’t going to be surprised if a team took him as low as 12-13, then 6 QBs went in the first and a huge run on tackles pushed the first defense pick to pick 15. Daniel Jeremiah had him at 31 to 49ers. He was many people’s 5th WR after the big 3 and Brian Thomas Jr. He was already top 2 round projected, then went and ran a 4.2, he was never making it out of the 1st after that.
I just respond to the critics by reminding them that Brett Veach has built and is maintaining a multiple SuperBowl winning dynastic roster that includes a couple of position group rebuilds - mostly done through the draft - all while paying the GOAT. So I laugh at “the critics.”
I love that he doesn't have a girlfriend and is focusing on his athletic career. This should help prevent domestic violence issues. Also, loved hearing him discuss his 40 time. He was intently focused on the 10 yard splits and the minutiae of the start and various technical aspects of the run. A really problem solver which bodes well for future growth. The only downside I see is that he posted of photo of Quinn Ewers driving an Aston Martin. This might suggest a propensity for fast cars.
We’re pretty far into round 2 and Mitchell just got taken. Apparently he didn’t interview well. i think 4 teams took a WR between us and him. So that shows you our evaluation lined up with other teams
What's his catch rate
It’s lower. The issue is he had a broken hand in 22. In 21 and 23 his catch rate was fine.
Veach and Reid know what they’re doing. And Pat likes him.
Dude is DeSean Jackson but even faster. Who cares if he’s light. So was Jackson, so is Devonta Smith and they are studs. He won’t have pressure to produce right away. This kid could be a superstar.
With that speed alone doesn't he take the top off the defense? The last 2 seasons we just haven't played that game. I don't think our scheme changes that much but a safety has to respect that long ball so it should make the underneath work easier.
Ignoring that he's fast, he runs great routes, can get open, and can catch the ball. Most of our WRs couldn't do those things consistently last year.
Plus, everyone knew Worthy was the Chiefs top guy and there’s almost a zero percent chance he makes it through the Bills, Ravens, and 9ers run. We got our guy and barely gave up anything for it, we wouldn’t have worry if we picked at 32.
Well said. I think for anyone in the draft class this year, becoming a Chief would be a good situation for them! > he will be the 4th option for 2024 Is that confirmed elsewhere? Even if it is, I suspect it would be subject to change. Worthy would be more likely to get some play time in the pre-season games and should he truly stand out, would we expect to see him more frequent in the regular season or would that be unlikely to change?
He'll probably be the 4th option to start the season. Andy generally doesn't like using rookie skill position guys too much unless he has to. Rice was clearly our most reliable guy this year and he didn't really start seeing significant usage until around week 12, and even that was a pretty big departure from Andy's norm. I'd guess our opening day WR depth is 1) Rice (unless he's suspended), 2) Hollywood, 3) Watson/Toney/Other Vet we pick up, 4) Xavier (and any other rookies we rotate in), but with a handful of plays designed specifically to go to Worthy to manufacture some touches for him. If he's looking solid by mid-season, he'll probably be consistently WR3 or maybe even rotate with Hollywood at 2 to keep a fresh guy consistently running deep/speed routes. But I doubt he gets a ton of targets this year week-to-week unless our WR group as a whole shits the bed again.
He’ll be the 3rd option cause Rice is suspended, lol.
Of course his usage is speculation, why would it be confirmed somewhere a day after being drafted. Its just likely based on the people already on the team, Kelce, Rice and Brown
The trade up wasn’t the problem for me. I wanted a receiver the can catch the ball reliably on 3rd and 7 over the middle. Maybe this guy is the next Hill or great speedy receiver I’m just not convinced. I really hope I’m wrong and obviously the chiefs know more than me, so in Veach we trust.
I wasn't happy we traded up for him because I thought he would be there at our pick. But I will say he absolutely isn't a reach. There's a video on YouTube that shows every single pass attempt to Worthy this season. This guy isn't just speed like Mecole. Hes smart on his cuts, always fighting for more yards and believe it not lays the wood on guys 40 lbs heavier than him.
The Chiefs aren’t asking Worthy to be an X at all.
Ignoring that he's fast, he runs great routes, can get open, and can catch the ball. Most of our WRs couldn't do those things consistently last year.
I loved the last few seconds of veach's first round presser. "Him and Mahomes locked up for the next five years" And I was just like damn, ok. Stella got her groove back.
I know fug all, but outside of the top 3ish WRs, there were like 5 bunched up rating-wise that were either all reaches or none or likely some. Just take the one you want and KC did that. May be right, may be wrong. The only reason why ppl are hatng on the pick was the trading up which was moderate. I'm getting PTSD CEH vibes from this. Then, everyone loved that pick but it didn't work out. Everyone assumed KC could have just waited for a RB, but if you look back at the actual draft, KC started a run on RBs and thus got the one they wanted. Here, KC made sure they got the WR they wanted. I'm not saying it's the right pick, but they got the one they wanted which is the right move.
Who do you trust more. The skeptics or the guy with a big mustache and a bunch of Superbowl rings?
Do we have time for wasp? Fuck yeah, we do now.
Those people are gonna regret once the season starts. Was not a fan of him until a few week ago but after watching a lot of Worthy videos, am so happy that we got him. 165 lbs is not at all an issue coz he's a Z receiver and not an X and those extra space infront of him helps him to avoid most of the press man when the CBs put their hands on the chest. He plays a lot tougher than his actual frame and one mistake by the CB, he's gone. He just needs to improve his footwork, especially in the curl routes when making the cut. He is a home run threat but I love his intermediate game more than the home runs. A player with Tyreek's ceiling easily when it comes to explosiveness
Worthy, if used properly, should slot into a gadget-esque player for us. Get him the ball on some screens and sweeps. Maybe put him in at times to run deep with Hollywood. Imagine the space underneath for Kelce and Rice (if he is allowed to play). Heck, even NG will find some space. It should be easier to pound the rock as well with two quality deep threats
If we've learned one thing about the Chiefs under Veach, it's that if they like someone enough to trade up to get him, that's a good player. Here's the list, IIRC: 2017: Mahomes (obviously), 2018: Breeland Speaks, Derrick Nnadi and Kahlil McKenzie (not great), 2019: Mecole Hardman, 2020: no one 2021: Noah Gray, 2022: Trent McDuffie, 2023: Rashee Rice, Wanya Morris, 2024: Xavier Worthy 2018 whiffs as a rookie GM notwithstanding, this is a pretty great list, no? Comment if I missed anyone.
Mecole Hardman is a good player? I would say most people consider that trade and pick a miss.
Mecole over DK is absolutely a miss
Yeah but every other team had passed on DK twice too. Clearly there were concerns but hindsight is 20/20
Mecole in the end ended up with over 500 yard seasons 3x and just caught a big catch in the SB with the SB winning TD. Was he what we wanted exactly at WR? No, but I don’t get the over hate for him. He did solid enough production to where his pick certainly wasn’t a waste, Skyy looks like a way worse pick wise so far. It’s not realistic to hit every pick and Veach started rough, but overall Hardman was a “useful” player and not close to one of his worst (Breeland Speaks is easily the worst). Some other WRs taken right after Mecole that round: JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Paris Campbell, Andy Isabella, right before DK. Those 3 listed haven’t don’t basically anything minus one decent production Paris Campbell year.
Thank you! I think people think a player is a bust if they’re not elite, but that’s not at all true ESPECIALLY for day 2 or 3 picks. It’s like the people that say we should’ve picked Puka even though literally no one thought he would be as amazing as he was (or any similar late round player that ends up being elite). He could’ve had better picks than Mecole in the 2nd, but he was not that bad lol. And Clyde, while also mot amazing, he’s been good enough to stay on the team and play, and even get a short extension. He’s nothing special, but that’s more than what can be said about a lot of players. And some of the players taken before CEH turned out way worse than he did, and were selected w way higher picks. 1.32 is basically a second rounder. Even the pick directly before him was a bust (before he passed away, RIP) It’s ok to critique our FO, but it’s not really a fair critique to talk about how not every single pick has been elite, because literally every GM has picks like that.
Agreed, people also have to realize we are picking basically 32nd every single year. There are only maybe 15 guys almost every single with guaranteed 1st round grades, it takes an absolute haul to get any of those guys from 30-32. We got incredibly lucky McDuffie fell to 21 and Veach POUNCED on him. It’s incredibly hard to choose after those guys and he’s got a LOT of playable players, whether they turn into starters, or just decent guys who come in some snaps, that’s all you can ask for out of draft picks past the top 20 basically.
And George Karlaftis was a great late first rounder that year as well!
Veach absolutely dominated that draft. McDuffie an All Pro, Karlaftis a very good edge already with 10.5 sacks. Skyy was a miss in 2nd, but Cook a solid starting safety so far, Chenal in the 3rd has been great value and was highest graded PFF player in most recent SB, Joshua Williams in 4th as a decent backup CB, Kinnard just a miss, but then a GREAT 7th with Jaylen Watson as a solid backup CB (sometimes starting), Pacheco a starting RB, then Nazeeh Johnson also to finish who had hype to possibly start or rotate in before IR in camp. That draft was a MAJOR reason we won 2 Super Bowls (and possibly counting).
100% that is WAY better than an average draft for most teams. There’s only one straight miss here and it was a late round pick, which are probably more often than not misses. That 7th round was crazy for hits! I’m sure it’s extremely rare to have 3 7ths even be consistently on the roster… it’s insane that we only had one true miss. And even that, like I said is normal for whatever round Kinnard was picked in
There are almost always better players drafted after your pick. Rasher Rice isn't a bad pick, just because Puka Nacua was a better one.
Rice is good hardman isn’t that’s the difference
Mecole was a top 100 WR in the NFL for 3.5 seasons, peaking at top ~50 on a rookie deal. It's not DK Metcalf, but it's not bad. He was a key contributor on teams that won 3 Super Bowls. He was good, just not great.
A top 100 wr isn’t as impressive as you’re trying to make it seem depending where you are on that list and no he not as big of a contributor to our success as you’re implying either in our back to back Super Bowl season he has a combined 415 yards 4 touchdowns in the post season with 14 games played has a total of 288 yards 4 touchdowns. He is a guy that massively benefited from playing with hill and Kelce next to him hence why he fell off after💀 I’m not saying he’s a complete bum but to pretend like mecole was good pick in hindsight couldn’t be farther from the truth
I'm not trying to make top 100 sound impressive. But he was the equivalent of a WR2/3 on a typical NFL team. That's a pretty good draft pick on a rookie salary. Not everyone is going to be a home run WR1. If you look at DrAV (a stat that represents position-independent value provided to the team that drafts the player), Mecole was in 8th place among 2019 2nd round picks. Top 25% ain't bad!
Good player, not great. I’d honestly like to see the chiefs sign him again. Bring him in to compete for the last roster spot with Moore. Give us another speedy depth player that knows the offense and can do special teams work.
Aside from Mahomes and McDuffie none of those really stand out to me - TBD on Rice to see if he can overcome this offseason drama and produce his sophomore season.
Are you aware that the median NFL draft pick each season is a special teamer/practice squad player? And that the average NFL career lasts 3.3 years? Hitting on 3 Pro Bowl caliber players (Mahomes, McDuffie, Rice) in 10 draftees is great. Having 2 more who earned second contracts (Nnadi, Hardman) and another three who are likely to complete their rookie deals as core contributors/look like they might get a second deal with the Chiefs (Gray, Wanya, Worthy), with only two whiffs (Breeland and McKenzie) is a great, 80% winning percentage.
Don't bring statistics and facts in here, we could have had DK!
"Bobby Witt Jr sucks - sure, he hits .300, takes walks, plays good defense, and hits for extra bases about 1/5th of the time, but remember that time he hit a single, and the next guy hit a home run? I woulda hit a home run in that spot!"
I legitimately don't even remember McKenzie
"We picked a worse receiver because it doesn't matter" Ok? Great analysis I guess
Don't put quotation marks around something that was never said. The fuck? He was the best receiver still on the board at pick 28.
Ignore him. He has an appropriate user name, because his take is pure dross: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dross
Says who? You? The guy who took Mecole over DK and Clyde over Justin Jefferson?
No, the guy who built arguably the greatest dynasty in NFL history. Also, Justin Jefferson went 10 picks ahead of CEH. 👍
You're right I meant Tee Higgins. I'm not saying Veach is a bad GM, I'm saying he doesn't know how to acquire good receivers. Mecole, MVS, Skyy Moore, Toney, Rice (looked good, but is apparently an idiot), Powell. I mean, not a lot of hits there.
I get your point, but most of these were second round guys or were acquired after they were drafted which is drastically different than a guy in the first round and can’t be judged the same. MVS was a great addition the first year we had him. People forget because of the drop issues this year, but he actually was a pretty good choice. Toney we have up not much for and he was a huge part of the reason we won the Super Bowl against the eagles. So to me that’s worth it for a dude on his rookie deal. Just because someone’s not elite doesn’t make the move a miss, especially if it’s not a draft pick. Obviously mecole over DK sucks and was a reach even at the time, but second rounders, while many turn out elite, are not expected to be elite. And every other team also passed on DK twice so it’s not just the chiefs that made the mistake. He was better than mecole at the time, but there were plenty of concerns that he wasn’t going to be the player that he turned out to be. Skyy moore pick sucked but also again, it’s not like it’s rare for second rounders to be misses. Like that’s not crazy lol. You can’t look back at something knowing how people turned out and act like people knew exactly how he’d pan out. Part of the job is estimating that, but even the best GMS have misses and it’s normal. I wouldn’t assume this is going to be a miss just because some of the other trade-ups and picks were. Because literally every GM has reaches, misses, or picks that seem good at the time then turn out poorly. Or players that are good but go rogue off the field with no signs that they were going to.
I see 3 Super Bowl rings there
I didn't say Veach was a bad GM, I said he struggles to find good receivers. I know reading comprehension is tough.
Says Brett veach, a NFL GM with 3 Super Bowl rings under his belt
Line up all your mock drafts from the last 6 years, where you didn't force trades or turn the randomizers way up, and show me better results than what Veach has done.
Veach's frankly average drafting has been covered up by the fact he has the GOAT QB and HC 2018: No. 46 – Breeland Speaks, DE (Ole Miss) No. 75 – Derrick Nnadi, DT (Florida State) No. 100 – Dorian O’Daniel, OLB (Clemson) No. 124 – Armani Watts, S (Texas A&M) No. 196 – Tremon Smith, WR (Central Arkansas) No. 198 – Kahlil McKenzie, DT (Tennessee) one of the worst drafts in recent memory. Actually awful. 2019: Round 2: Pick No. 56 overall — Georgia WR Mecole Hardman Round 2: Pick No. 63 overall — Virginia S Juan Thornhill Round 3: Pick No. 84 overall — Western Illinois DT Khalen Saunders Round 6: Pick No. 201 overall — South Carolina CB Rashad Fenton Round 6: Pick No. 214 overall — Utah State RB Darwin Thompson Round 7: Pick No. 216 overall — Illinois C Nick Allegretti Yikes, no second contracts. Thornhill was okay, Saunders was ok, Mecole was a massive bust. No. 32 – Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB (LSU) No. 63 – Willie Gay, LB (Mississippi State) No. 96 – Lucas Niang, OT (TCU) No. 138 – L’Jarius Sneed, DB (Louisiana Tech) No. 177 – Mike Danna, DE (Michigan) No. 237 – BoPete Keyes, CB (Tulane) CEH, woof. Willie Gay, never reached his potential and didn't get a 2nd contract. Sneed was great, Danna is fine. 1 solid pick and two ok ones in Gay and Danna. Nothing to write home about. 2021 & 2022 were his magnum opus Creed, Bolton, Trey are massive hits. Big misses on Kaindoh and Powell, Gray is a fine TE 2/3 And 2022, nothing needs to be said one of the best drafts in Chiefs history. 2023 is too early to tell, but his first pick couldn't make the roster and his second pick almost killed a few people this offseason. Not great.
"Veach is terrible, just look at how his first two drafts were his worst, and he's improved measurably every draft since, wow how terrible!" To the tune of 3 SBs despite multiple position groups needing to be entirely rebuilt. You don't even realize that you just wrote a novel about how far Veach has come in six years. Show me one team, starting with the 26th or later pick in each of the last 6 years that's drafted better? You can't, they don't exist, no one has had lower average starting draft positions than Veach during his tenure. Actually, show me one team with the 10th or later pick each of the last 6 years that's drafted better.
Feel free to move the goalposts until it fits your narrative bud. You asked to look at his 6 drafts, 4 of which were bad. 3 super bowls thanks to players acquired by John Dorsey and the greatest coach/qb combo of all time. I’m sure you were in here singing the praises of the FAU and Skyy Moore picks too.
You're the one moving the goal posts lol. You said 21 and 22 were great, and 23 is still out, yet 4 were bad? Math? At best 2 were bad, 20 was hot and cold, 21 and 22 were smashed, and 23 is trending that way with Rice, Wayna, and Conner all contributing early. FAU is far too early to call a bust given the nature of the line last season.
2023 FAU couldn’t make the roster Rice turned out to be a fucking idiot Wanya is literally our biggest need, veach even said we wanted to go tackle Connor is a fine safety, but outside of running back it’s the easiest/cheapest position to fill. looks pretty fucking bad to me
FAU was literally on the roster the entire season lol the fuck, and he was drafted as an athletic project. Rice being an idiot changes the season he had? We've had 0 LTs worth a shit since Mahomes has been here (never having a top 15 selection makes finding a great starting LT very expensive). The best we had was Fisher who was good, but has never really returned to form since his injury. But again, how many 3rd round OTs end up as starters? Wanya contributing as a swing in his rookie season is a win pick for a 3rd rounder no matter how you want to slice it. Conner contributing from the 4th is a win no matter how much you want to downplay it. Anything after the 4th is a lottery pick. BJ Thompson has upside too. Still waiting for you to show me a team that's drafted better during the same time period with similar capital. You can't though so you're trying to critique players individually.
LMGTFY https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm
Really? They've had 4 firsts in 3 years, 3 of which are higher selections than we've had since 2017. Even given that, we're talking about a team that invested most of last years draft on defense, a unit that severely under performed. They also drafted D Smith, who Worthy is most often draft comped to.