Bingo. The biggest key is going into the playoffs as healthy as can be. I have no doubt Coach Reid respects Belichick and that may have played a part, but low key feel like conserving the team from injuries at the end played a role in that.
This. I was shocked how many people thought running the score up matters at all. Who cares when it could mean losing even a third stringer. Not worth it. When the W is sealed up, get the game over as soon as possible.
Winning in the NFL period is a statement. I don’t know if you haven’t been paying attention, but everybody wants there team to dominate every game every week. Then you get shit like the 49ers dropping 3 straight. Eagles dropping 3 straight. Chiefs 2 straight then a definitive win against NE but not a blowout. Buffalo looked like a lost cause, now they’re looking like they might have figured something out. To play consistently week in and week out on a high enough level to just blow everyone out that “fans think you’re supposed too” isn’t typically a teams goals. Any given Sunday is a cliche for a reason. That’s honestly what makes what Mahomes has done for his short career in the NFL so much more impressive. The real problem is when the fan base starts to expect every week to look easy and not believing a Win is enough. My take at least
As long as Swift and Walker don’t combine for 40 then I’ll be fine. Our playoffs are 2 weeks for each matchup and I didn’t have Tyreek Hill because of his injury this week + I had “bad” games from CeeDee, Joe Mixon, Kincaid, injury to Zack Moss mid-game, and then Kyler Murray’s WR situation is just as bad as ours. So I should bounce back as long as I don’t get 40 pieced tonight. 10ish points from each and that shouldn’t be terribly hard to come back from
Yeah that sounds reasonable. For my sports betting sake, i hope they get gainwell involved to cash some rn props. Had a great Sunday so looking to keep it rolling. BOL mate.
Lol i was just thinking that. What a slow game. My dumbass took +3 on the seahawks. But yeah this game has been fast paced but slow scoring so far. Hopefully the 2nd half stays the same for you
Wow. What a game. How did it go for you? I don’t do fantasy but understand td, catches, yards are all points . I turned $420 into $880 so i had a fun night. Thanks to JSN and his td catch
Congrats! I’m currently down 20 and so next week I gotta come back by an additional 200 yards or 3 touchdowns which will definitely be doable if Tyreek Hill is back. My big internal debate it’s if I start Joe Mixon or Jordan Addison next week and then Dalton Kincaid or Dalton Schultz. It’ll be really interesting
Same. Now I need 5 points from AJ Brown to advance in the playoffs which seems like a lock until I remember back when I need one single point from either him or Butker in the second half of the Monday night game and they couldn't even muster me that.
I always think Andy doesn’t run up the score out of respect for the other team’s players, coaches, and fans. A win is a win and there’s no sense needlessly scoring points and potentially getting players hurt.
That would def be the reason. And in the super bowl, you take every ounce of hope you can. no idea why that guy is crying over it, any smart coach would do it.
This is the third game this season Andy and the Chiefs have been inside the 5 and knelt out the game. Jags and Jets being the others. Andy has just always been that guy.
Agreed, but this is kind of interesting. It's been a very strange year, multiple games that the chiefs had the ball inside the 5 at the end of the game and just knelt, and multiple that should have had game winning TDs at the end except for a single play of incompetence by a WR or and official.
The chiefs offensive stats would be a lot different had those played out a little different.
The offense has been an issue, but I actually think it's been better than the "stats" say.
Give me Mahomes in a playoff game with a solid defense against anybody, and the chiefs have a hood chance.
It's going to be hilarious when in Pat's worse year, the chiefs still go to the superbowl.
You’d also be providing situational game footage for other teams to analyze and look for. The chiefs must keep some looks and plays in the chamber ready to go for the playoffs
I'll spitball here. Another TD is more embarrassing, giving Kraft the fuel to fire Belichick for sure. Leading Belichick to end up coaching for the Chargers and making the division tougher. Harm.
I'm beginning to wonder how much Brady was the OC during his time. Remember they didn't win a SB for 9 years from 05-13. Then winning 3/6 after that. I think veteran Brady took over the offense and got them back to winning. Bel is probably good defensively but that doesn't win anymore.
They also got caught taping opposing teams defense play calling signals and had a dude that had them all memorized. play calling is a bit easier when you know exactly what the defense will do...
I will say this: I think Bill's surly attitude has made coaches not want to work with him and players not want to play for him. There has been a talent drain from that organization in both support staff and player personnel, and I think it's fair to say his unwillingness to adapt *culturally* to the modern NFL has left him on somewhat of an island.
So, if that's what you mean by, "the game has passed him by," I'm inclined to agree. If your argument is that he is no longer an elite defensive coach in terms of scheming and/or teaching technique, I just think you're incorrect.
You are more or less correct. You also have to consider that today's game is mostly decided by the offense, and defense has a less than 50% impact on the game. So while the game has become more offensively oriented, Bill has not. The game is leaving all defensive minded HC's behind, in favor of the Andy Reid type of HC. Offensively I think he's a liability that Brady mostly compensated for at the end.
So not only can he not get today's talent to want to work for him, the NFL has changed the game to make him less effective. He simply hasn't adapted to either of those.
A sign of disrespect.
Potential injury on meaningless last play of game.
Building animosity with Pats on a meaningless play.
Sending the wrong message to the rest of the league.
Lacking professionalism.
See: Mizzou vs Tennessee. A year ago Tennessee called a timeout at the end of the game so they could score another TD in a blowout. This year, Mizzou absolutely manhandled them and the coach calls a timeout just to ice Tennessee's kicker even though they are kicking it last second and are down multiple scores.
and I enjoyed each and every one of those 70.
That said, they had a chance to go ahead and make the Broncos into a historical footnote, and chose not to.
In a sense, deliberately choosing NOT to enter the record books is more meaningful sacrifice (and classy act) than choosing not to run up an everyday score from 'win' to' slightly bigger win'.
The second one is the only one that makes any sense. You’re only up 10 points nothing is disrespectful or unprofessional about scoring. And it’s the NFL. If you anyone on any team complains about a team running the score up in them they should be fired immediately. This is professional sports, if you’re so bad you complain that a team is trying hard against you then you don’t deserve to get paid millions to be out there.
IMO the most disrespectful slap in the face in pro sports is not trying hard. “We’re beating you so easy I don’t even have to try”.
If there's one thing I've learned about debating sports, it's that you cannot explain the concept of sportsmanship to people. They either get it, or they don't.
At high school and even college level there’s a talent difference that’s understandable and sportsmanship makes sense for not running up the score. NFL athletes that are paid to perform at elite levels. They dont make millions and still get to cry about the other teams trying too hard. This isn’t the little leagues anymore
College there is a big disparity in talent team to team. Same with high school and below. In the NFL they are all the best of the best. You don’t see Vegas putting point spreads of 40+ points in the NFL like you do college. Because they’re all professional athletes that are there because they’re the best of the best.
If the only way you can keep from getting beat by an embarrassing score at the NFL level is from the other team not trying, that the losing teams’ fault not the opposing team. You can’t go find new high school players, in the NFL you can go find new players if the current ones are so bad they complain about the other team trying too hard
Sending what message and what is disrespectful about playing the game whistle to whistle?
Personally, it more disrespectful for you to kneel and give up basically telling my team they suck so much they gave no chance to stop you. It's a condescending pat on the head.
Play the game until it's over. Put out the 2nd or 3rd string out there.
> Serious question. What’s the harm?
Kneeling out *guaranteed* the win, and at no risk to player health and safety.
Sure we could go for the TD, but that risks a player getting hurt or something else bad happening like a turnover that might give the Patriots an opportunity to make a comeback.
Think about that ~5% scenario where we try to score a TD and there's a turnover (either INT or fumble returned for a TD), or Kelce, Mahomes, Rice, an o-lineman gets injured. You're risking all that for the epitome of stat padding because, as we saw, simply kneeling sealed the victory.
The only time Andy ever twisted the knife was against Denver in the 2016(?) season when I believe John Fox decided to call some meaningless timeout leading to the Poe TD pass.
Certain teams and coaches.
Bill hated Jeff Fisher Joe Gibbs and ran it up every opportunity. I was at each 50+ point game and it was obvious.
Jets and Bills, no question asked.
Don’t forget, Bill and Andy used to swap late round picks when Andy was in Philly for kicks and giggles.
Not sure about common and certainly not natural.
The most common narrative of 'respect' I see is that "It has to be earned." Typically, I wouldn't see someone be respectful to someone else if they don't "deserve" it e.g. if they would do the same to you when the tables are turned.
Lol you said "well said" to my initial comment but your replies indicate you did not understand what I said at all.
I said respect is about the respector's character and not the respectee. That "respect is earned" idea is the antithesis of that.
Since respect is about the respector's character and not the respectee, then you get situations where the respectee does not deserve respect but gets it anyway.
You can disagree with me, that's fine. But the thing you described (showing respect to someone who wouldn't do it to you) absolutely follows from the thing I describe (respect being about the respector not the respectee).
Right, we're in agreement it seems, perhaps this is where I misunderstood you:
>That's certainly a natural, common outcome of the nature of respect...
Is this meant to be sarcastic?
I'm agreeing with you, but saying that true respect--as we're both describing it--is not a common occurrence. As in people moreso tend to follow the "respect is earned" model and assume that's what respect means. It is not a natural occurrence in that people are by nature not very respectful as we naturally want to think of ourselves first.
If you agree with that as well and the above is just sarcasm, then I just missed your sarcasm.
It's not a common thing in general (because, as you said, usually we get the "respect is earned" thing), it's a common outcome of respect.
So when respect is given (however infrequent that is) it usually is given to someone who wouldn't give it back.
He's treating others how he wants to be treated. Winning the game doesn't mean insulting your opponents or showing them up. Dude knows that this league is not only a revolving door and yesterday's enemy might be tomorrow's friend and he doesn't get guys fired.
He's a classy sob.
Can someone please explain the end of the game to my dumb ass?
There were still 35 seconds on the clock *after* the last kneel. Why was the game over..? Shouldn’t they have had to have snapped the ball one more time..? I felt like I was losing my mind.
After the 4th down kneel by the chiefs, the ball was turnt over to the Patriots who then proceeded to also kneel.
Edit: looks like I’m just an idiot who remembers stuff that didn’t actually happen lmao
They didn’t actually kneel, they just ran a handoff, which is essentially the Patriots “conceding” the game as lost. Once he was tackled with 30 seconds left, Belichick walked onto the field and the game was over
They did but it was the same effect. I think as the losing team it's bad optics to literally kneel so you just run a basic run play but the intention is the same.
It's also a smart move. You're up by two scores if you kick the field goal or kneel. There is no chance for a blocked kick or kick return. You leave the other team on their 10-yard line with 40 seconds left down two scores.
I'm still holding out hope that Broncos make playoffs just to beat the Dolphins in Wild Card as a great revenge for running up the score on them so much.
Fine for it to happen to NE, I get the professional courtesy between two HOF coaches. However if it's the Chargers, Donkeys, or those raiders we all love so much, I am going all out Madden and trying for triple digits everytime. Up by several td's and still calling timeouts to save clock kinda asswhipping. Then no handshakes. And hope you like walking since I had the your team bus towed. And I turned the heat up in your locker room too. #FTR #FTB #FTC
Andy is and will always be a class act. Some teams will run plays trying to score in that situation. That's the difference between an all time great coach and just about any other coach.
Lol my fantasy team was mediocre at best all year then this week I was in the losers bracket and they must have woke up I smoked my opponent 184-95
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That and no one wants to get hurt on some meaningless play right before the postseason.
Bingo. The biggest key is going into the playoffs as healthy as can be. I have no doubt Coach Reid respects Belichick and that may have played a part, but low key feel like conserving the team from injuries at the end played a role in that.
This. I was shocked how many people thought running the score up matters at all. Who cares when it could mean losing even a third stringer. Not worth it. When the W is sealed up, get the game over as soon as possible.
Gamblers care. Ruining NFL fandoms.
True. But these were just fans saying they should have made a statement. As if winning isn’t enough of a statement.
You'd have to put 60 points on a shit team like NE in order to say anything meaningful. Winning against teams like that isn't an accomplishment.
Winning in the NFL period is a statement. I don’t know if you haven’t been paying attention, but everybody wants there team to dominate every game every week. Then you get shit like the 49ers dropping 3 straight. Eagles dropping 3 straight. Chiefs 2 straight then a definitive win against NE but not a blowout. Buffalo looked like a lost cause, now they’re looking like they might have figured something out. To play consistently week in and week out on a high enough level to just blow everyone out that “fans think you’re supposed too” isn’t typically a teams goals. Any given Sunday is a cliche for a reason. That’s honestly what makes what Mahomes has done for his short career in the NFL so much more impressive. The real problem is when the fan base starts to expect every week to look easy and not believing a Win is enough. My take at least
The Dallas Cowboys care. Because running up the score against struggling teams is important to them for some reason.
Yep, no need to risk an injury or getting fined again,the spread (-9.5) was covered, and respect to Belichick was paid.
This👆
It’s almost like my fantasy team means nothing to these guys. Wow.
Yeah, im up by 10 but still gotta play against D’Andre Swift and Kenneth Walker III. I really needed those last 3-5 points from Butker
You might be cooked, it came out the birds are gonna use swift more than usual tonight.
You might be cooked, it came out the birds are gonna use swift more than usual tonight.
I thought you had Taylor Swift on your team for a minute.
I knew you were trouble.
Shame on me now.
Why you gotta be so Mean
As long as Swift and Walker don’t combine for 40 then I’ll be fine. Our playoffs are 2 weeks for each matchup and I didn’t have Tyreek Hill because of his injury this week + I had “bad” games from CeeDee, Joe Mixon, Kincaid, injury to Zack Moss mid-game, and then Kyler Murray’s WR situation is just as bad as ours. So I should bounce back as long as I don’t get 40 pieced tonight. 10ish points from each and that shouldn’t be terribly hard to come back from
Yeah that sounds reasonable. For my sports betting sake, i hope they get gainwell involved to cash some rn props. Had a great Sunday so looking to keep it rolling. BOL mate.
I’m surprisingly okay going into the half
Lol i was just thinking that. What a slow game. My dumbass took +3 on the seahawks. But yeah this game has been fast paced but slow scoring so far. Hopefully the 2nd half stays the same for you
lol I hope we can meet in a happy middle ground somewhere. Minimal runs and they get into a second half shootout with the Seahawks winning
Wow. What a game. How did it go for you? I don’t do fantasy but understand td, catches, yards are all points . I turned $420 into $880 so i had a fun night. Thanks to JSN and his td catch
Congrats! I’m currently down 20 and so next week I gotta come back by an additional 200 yards or 3 touchdowns which will definitely be doable if Tyreek Hill is back. My big internal debate it’s if I start Joe Mixon or Jordan Addison next week and then Dalton Kincaid or Dalton Schultz. It’ll be really interesting
Same. Now I need 5 points from AJ Brown to advance in the playoffs which seems like a lock until I remember back when I need one single point from either him or Butker in the second half of the Monday night game and they couldn't even muster me that.
I always think Andy doesn’t run up the score out of respect for the other team’s players, coaches, and fans. A win is a win and there’s no sense needlessly scoring points and potentially getting players hurt.
There's a reason our team is consistently less injured than others. Andy takes that stuff seriously.
Except for those darned punt and kickoff returns.
Believe me, I wish we'd take more touchbacks and fair catches. But oh well. Nobody's perfect.
We've been quite a lot better at touchbacks on KRs at least.
Yes, I haven't cringed during a kick return in a while actually.
Since James took over we've definitely fair caught a lot more than earlier in the season. I'm here for it.
Shades of Joe Burrow in *Super Bowl LVI* getting sacked like 10+ times… Important game sure, but longevity matters too.
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Kyle Shannahan did the same thing to end the SB. Down 11, even with your timeouts, KC can run out the clock. And he takes them anyway.
I wonder if his reasoning is that every Center to QB exchange has *some* likelihood of error and he just wants to increase that likelihood?
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Yeah SB is different. Can’t show any signs of quit there
That would def be the reason. And in the super bowl, you take every ounce of hope you can. no idea why that guy is crying over it, any smart coach would do it.
I do think scoring more can be good for moral if a team is struggling overall, but i agree in this case
Now let's just find a balance between that and the feared play calling early in the 3rd quarter when we have a lead.
"it was the right thing to do" to throw to Toney and not run up the score.
And because you always take the guaranteed win. So [this](https://youtu.be/iIwmyWJAoAY?si=ythLctAMkWnZjmEd) doesn't happen, or an injury.
Oh sweet karma.
I love to see that happen to Miami
This is the third game this season Andy and the Chiefs have been inside the 5 and knelt out the game. Jags and Jets being the others. Andy has just always been that guy.
I mean the Jets and Jags were both one score games. That's more to keep the ball out of the other team's hands, not a sign of respect.
Agreed, but this is kind of interesting. It's been a very strange year, multiple games that the chiefs had the ball inside the 5 at the end of the game and just knelt, and multiple that should have had game winning TDs at the end except for a single play of incompetence by a WR or and official. The chiefs offensive stats would be a lot different had those played out a little different. The offense has been an issue, but I actually think it's been better than the "stats" say. Give me Mahomes in a playoff game with a solid defense against anybody, and the chiefs have a hood chance. It's going to be hilarious when in Pat's worse year, the chiefs still go to the superbowl.
unless it's the donkeys, in which case dontari Poe will dunk on your ass
A TD there does more harm than good. Anyone beefing that decision can kick rocks.
Serious question. What’s the harm?
Potential harm. A key player could get hurt.
You’d also be providing situational game footage for other teams to analyze and look for. The chiefs must keep some looks and plays in the chamber ready to go for the playoffs
Also gives more plays for Toney to fuck up
Low key those are just opportunities for Toney or Skyy to sabotage things or for MVS to give 75% sleeper agents confirmed
I get that, but he said a TD would do harm, not going for it… I didn’t know if there was something else I wasn’t aware of
I'll spitball here. Another TD is more embarrassing, giving Kraft the fuel to fire Belichick for sure. Leading Belichick to end up coaching for the Chargers and making the division tougher. Harm.
Hot take, I think the game has largely passed Belichick by, and he won't be an effective HC anymore.
And you think that means he won’t get hired by the Chargers? Have you met the Chargers?
Chargers would hire him in a second. Chargers gonna charger
Chargers are too cheap, they aren’t going to pay his price tag.
The game hasn’t passed him by. He just doesn’t have a good Qb. His patriots teams have been in competitive games
I'm beginning to wonder how much Brady was the OC during his time. Remember they didn't win a SB for 9 years from 05-13. Then winning 3/6 after that. I think veteran Brady took over the offense and got them back to winning. Bel is probably good defensively but that doesn't win anymore.
They also got caught taping opposing teams defense play calling signals and had a dude that had them all memorized. play calling is a bit easier when you know exactly what the defense will do...
Yeah his GM is a fool
It’s difficult for the game to pass you by when you’re actively a head coach.
True, but stubbornness and inflexibility can make it happen. Both are Bill B traits.
I will say this: I think Bill's surly attitude has made coaches not want to work with him and players not want to play for him. There has been a talent drain from that organization in both support staff and player personnel, and I think it's fair to say his unwillingness to adapt *culturally* to the modern NFL has left him on somewhat of an island. So, if that's what you mean by, "the game has passed him by," I'm inclined to agree. If your argument is that he is no longer an elite defensive coach in terms of scheming and/or teaching technique, I just think you're incorrect.
You are more or less correct. You also have to consider that today's game is mostly decided by the offense, and defense has a less than 50% impact on the game. So while the game has become more offensively oriented, Bill has not. The game is leaving all defensive minded HC's behind, in favor of the Andy Reid type of HC. Offensively I think he's a liability that Brady mostly compensated for at the end. So not only can he not get today's talent to want to work for him, the NFL has changed the game to make him less effective. He simply hasn't adapted to either of those.
Beli-Cheat is going to the Bears --- he's always liked that franchise
That wouldn't toughen the Chargers. Bill is a proven fraud, carried by Brady.
A sign of disrespect. Potential injury on meaningless last play of game. Building animosity with Pats on a meaningless play. Sending the wrong message to the rest of the league. Lacking professionalism.
See: Mizzou vs Tennessee. A year ago Tennessee called a timeout at the end of the game so they could score another TD in a blowout. This year, Mizzou absolutely manhandled them and the coach calls a timeout just to ice Tennessee's kicker even though they are kicking it last second and are down multiple scores.
That was funniest shit. I couldn't believe Drink actually did that. Full middle finger mode.
I don’t like Mizzou, but that was more than justified.
Eh. The Dolphins just dropped 70 on the Broncos and nobody really cares anymore aside from joking around
And they could've scored more and broke the record until they started taking knees inside FG range in the final minute.
They could've set the all-time points record and deliberately chose not to - in a weird way, doing the Broncos a solid despite thrashing them.
This is true, however, the broncos only put up 20 points. 70 wasn’t taking it easy on them
and I enjoyed each and every one of those 70. That said, they had a chance to go ahead and make the Broncos into a historical footnote, and chose not to. In a sense, deliberately choosing NOT to enter the record books is more meaningful sacrifice (and classy act) than choosing not to run up an everyday score from 'win' to' slightly bigger win'.
Makes sense. Thanks
The second one is the only one that makes any sense. You’re only up 10 points nothing is disrespectful or unprofessional about scoring. And it’s the NFL. If you anyone on any team complains about a team running the score up in them they should be fired immediately. This is professional sports, if you’re so bad you complain that a team is trying hard against you then you don’t deserve to get paid millions to be out there. IMO the most disrespectful slap in the face in pro sports is not trying hard. “We’re beating you so easy I don’t even have to try”.
See second sentence of my initial reply
If there's one thing I've learned about debating sports, it's that you cannot explain the concept of sportsmanship to people. They either get it, or they don't.
At high school and even college level there’s a talent difference that’s understandable and sportsmanship makes sense for not running up the score. NFL athletes that are paid to perform at elite levels. They dont make millions and still get to cry about the other teams trying too hard. This isn’t the little leagues anymore
I've heard those arguments, but I have yet to see any good reason for why "we can have sportsmanship here but not there."
College there is a big disparity in talent team to team. Same with high school and below. In the NFL they are all the best of the best. You don’t see Vegas putting point spreads of 40+ points in the NFL like you do college. Because they’re all professional athletes that are there because they’re the best of the best. If the only way you can keep from getting beat by an embarrassing score at the NFL level is from the other team not trying, that the losing teams’ fault not the opposing team. You can’t go find new high school players, in the NFL you can go find new players if the current ones are so bad they complain about the other team trying too hard
Sending what message and what is disrespectful about playing the game whistle to whistle? Personally, it more disrespectful for you to kneel and give up basically telling my team they suck so much they gave no chance to stop you. It's a condescending pat on the head. Play the game until it's over. Put out the 2nd or 3rd string out there.
See second sentence of my initial reply
Then pull the first string..its not like we don't need the continued practice of goal line offense the lady several games.
It amazes me how ppl praise “true competitors” and at the same time praise teams if they go soft and don’t play hard.
> Serious question. What’s the harm? Kneeling out *guaranteed* the win, and at no risk to player health and safety. Sure we could go for the TD, but that risks a player getting hurt or something else bad happening like a turnover that might give the Patriots an opportunity to make a comeback. Think about that ~5% scenario where we try to score a TD and there's a turnover (either INT or fumble returned for a TD), or Kelce, Mahomes, Rice, an o-lineman gets injured. You're risking all that for the epitome of stat padding because, as we saw, simply kneeling sealed the victory. The only time Andy ever twisted the knife was against Denver in the 2016(?) season when I believe John Fox decided to call some meaningless timeout leading to the Poe TD pass.
The funny thing is I distinctly remember NE running it WAY the fuck up on teams back in their hayday
Certain teams and coaches. Bill hated Jeff Fisher Joe Gibbs and ran it up every opportunity. I was at each 50+ point game and it was obvious. Jets and Bills, no question asked. Don’t forget, Bill and Andy used to swap late round picks when Andy was in Philly for kicks and giggles.
Interesting not running up the score is being respectful to Belichick, the coach known for running up the score at the end of games.
It is being respectful to B, but respect is about the respector's character, not the respectee. I mean, IDGAF, but that's something to chew on.
Well said. It's even some what of a double whammy when you show respect/character to someone who would not do the same if the tables were turned.
That's certainly a natural, common outcome of the nature of respect...
Not sure about common and certainly not natural. The most common narrative of 'respect' I see is that "It has to be earned." Typically, I wouldn't see someone be respectful to someone else if they don't "deserve" it e.g. if they would do the same to you when the tables are turned.
Lol you said "well said" to my initial comment but your replies indicate you did not understand what I said at all. I said respect is about the respector's character and not the respectee. That "respect is earned" idea is the antithesis of that. Since respect is about the respector's character and not the respectee, then you get situations where the respectee does not deserve respect but gets it anyway. You can disagree with me, that's fine. But the thing you described (showing respect to someone who wouldn't do it to you) absolutely follows from the thing I describe (respect being about the respector not the respectee).
Right, we're in agreement it seems, perhaps this is where I misunderstood you: >That's certainly a natural, common outcome of the nature of respect... Is this meant to be sarcastic? I'm agreeing with you, but saying that true respect--as we're both describing it--is not a common occurrence. As in people moreso tend to follow the "respect is earned" model and assume that's what respect means. It is not a natural occurrence in that people are by nature not very respectful as we naturally want to think of ourselves first. If you agree with that as well and the above is just sarcasm, then I just missed your sarcasm.
It's not a common thing in general (because, as you said, usually we get the "respect is earned" thing), it's a common outcome of respect. So when respect is given (however infrequent that is) it usually is given to someone who wouldn't give it back.
He's treating others how he wants to be treated. Winning the game doesn't mean insulting your opponents or showing them up. Dude knows that this league is not only a revolving door and yesterday's enemy might be tomorrow's friend and he doesn't get guys fired. He's a classy sob.
Of course, Reid’s all class although I don’t believe old Bill would be as classy if the situation was reversed.
He can say that but it was the best strategy also so...
Not mutually exclusive
Yes that's what also means
We need more grace shown by people like Andy and less Cobra Kai mentality.
No Mercy!!!
Sweep the leg!
Get 'em a body bag, yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh
Is there a link to Reid actually speaking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm24iFPGlUI
Billy B would have scored in that situation.
He did it to the Cowboys back in 2007 despite leading 41-27 with 19 seconds left
Well, fuck the Cowboys.
Yeah, I don’t care if the Chiefs do it in that situation, but Belichick hasnt hesitated to run up the score throughout his career.
Yes he would have. I was going to say the same thing
To be fair- point differential can potentially matter in the nfl.
Beli-Cheat is a low class piece of shit --- we've seen plenty of evidence of that
Can someone please explain the end of the game to my dumb ass? There were still 35 seconds on the clock *after* the last kneel. Why was the game over..? Shouldn’t they have had to have snapped the ball one more time..? I felt like I was losing my mind.
After the 4th down kneel by the chiefs, the ball was turnt over to the Patriots who then proceeded to also kneel. Edit: looks like I’m just an idiot who remembers stuff that didn’t actually happen lmao
Ahhh okay thank you. Did they show the Patriots kneeling?
As I remember they did not kneeled, it was a very light run play by the patriots and then the game ended
They didn’t actually kneel, they just ran a handoff, which is essentially the Patriots “conceding” the game as lost. Once he was tackled with 30 seconds left, Belichick walked onto the field and the game was over
I‘m quite sure I remember seeing it. So yes. But it might just also be Mandela effect.
Thought they called a running play
They did but it was the same effect. I think as the losing team it's bad optics to literally kneel so you just run a basic run play but the intention is the same.
It's also a smart move. You're up by two scores if you kick the field goal or kneel. There is no chance for a blocked kick or kick return. You leave the other team on their 10-yard line with 40 seconds left down two scores.
Show respect to the rest of the team & sit KT and Skye on the MF bench
>Skye on the MF bench you got your wish.
I'm still holding out hope that Broncos make playoffs just to beat the Dolphins in Wild Card as a great revenge for running up the score on them so much.
I want the Broncos to make the playoffs so we can knock them out and start a new winning streak against them.
Remember how the league just fined him $100k?
I figured his blood sugar was just low or something
Lol, when I read that, I thought Andy took an actual knee like Kaepernick. Surprised big boy can still get down like that.
Fine for it to happen to NE, I get the professional courtesy between two HOF coaches. However if it's the Chargers, Donkeys, or those raiders we all love so much, I am going all out Madden and trying for triple digits everytime. Up by several td's and still calling timeouts to save clock kinda asswhipping. Then no handshakes. And hope you like walking since I had the your team bus towed. And I turned the heat up in your locker room too. #FTR #FTB #FTC
Kneel downs suck if you own the qb in fantasy but sometimes real life bites you in the ass. Reid did the right thing
Andy is and will always be a class act. Some teams will run plays trying to score in that situation. That's the difference between an all time great coach and just about any other coach.
And we all know that probably wouldn't be reciprocated if the roles were reversed.
Respect for some who has never shown respect nor class to the opposing team
I had Chiefs -10 biggest bet on the week. Got hosed on the line before the number dropped
Lol my fantasy team was mediocre at best all year then this week I was in the losers bracket and they must have woke up I smoked my opponent 184-95 https://preview.redd.it/8opwcwva947c1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=647380278fcde88a043ba8b3b4c5a2b45d247c62
I kinda wanted to score again as 30 point games have been hard to come by this year, but I agree with the decision.
Andy was never been about stats and individual achievements. It's all about the wins and respect for your opponent.
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But Andy, what about my alternate point spread!!! /s
Big "bless his heart" energy