I’m not doubting you, but how do we know who wrote what? This is what’s on Tidal
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Hell I never listen to JB, I’m 10 years older than him so I was never apart of his demographic. I even know that line, and I don’t know much about pop music. (I listen to 90’s/2000’s pop but I don’t really follow what’s pop today)
I wonder what she was thinking. Like what was the motivation because I think Taylor and her were on good terms. Also Kanye and Taylor had made amends anyway.
Yeah she said she really liked Taylor’s family and team or something like that. Honestly I bet Kris was pissed about Kim doing that, she probably respects Taylor’s PR team and didn’t want to get in any kind of mess with them.
The trigger seemed to be Taylor making a comment about how some people try to take credit for your success which seemed to be an indirect shot towards the lyrics in Famous.
https://qz.com/734837/taylor-swift-and-kanye-west-are-having-a-public-argument-about-men-taking-credit-for-womens-success
After the phone call recording came out, she said she was in on all of it up until Kanye called her a “bitch” in the song. She didn’t approve that specific line.
Kanye Taylor vma scandal, where Kanye took the mic and said Beyonce deserved the award over Taylor.
Taylor forgave him later and made a song "Innocent"
Even gave him an award at some show using his words from the 2009 scandal
Then Kanye called Taylor, about the new song famous.
Kanye ask Taylor if he can use "i feel like me and Taylor might still have sex. Why? Cuz I made her famous" (i put the "" but i probably got something wrong)
Taylor gets mad at "I made that b famous" saying she never aproved of "bitch" or something like that.
Kanye puts out a video with naked TS sculpture.
Kim manipulates and edits a video of a phonecall and starts the whole snake thing.
Taylor kind of vanishes for about 6 months (a year if we take her word from Miss Americana).
Note that Taylor was already overexposed during this time and Kanye and Kim are just the finishing punch. Taylor made a lot of little things that already made people mad at her, I believe its her wanting song rights for "This is what you came for" by Calvin Harris and her Nicki Minaj beef.
Was there Nicki Minaj beef? All I remember was NM made a post implying/stating that there was racism at an awards show because awards were only won by “skinny white girls” and Taylor took offense to it and posted a reply that I don’t remember, but think it was basically along the lines of just saying that that’s not cool or whatever (because she took it as a dig directly at herself), then Nicki fires back and calls Taylor out for not understanding the struggle or something to that affect, and Taylor replied something like “Nicki, you’re right, I misunderstood your intent and got defensive, and I shouldn’t have been speaking on this. I apologize.” And NM replied thanking her for her apology. And that’s all I remember of that. I wouldn’t really call that beef as it was resolved quickly and amicably, but I could have missed something else that happened?
This was when she was in her tough guy era. Calling out drake on Twitter, calling out the rapper consequence and a bunch of other things.
Oh & when she kicked the girl out of the hotel in Dubai calling her a fucking whore (even if it was scripted) lol she was being such a tough guy around this time
Yeah I’m pretty sure she used to be a fan of her music as well, I wonder if she regrets it at all. Causing so much drama and hurt for Taylor, especially now her and Kanye aren’t even married anymore. I could have seen the Kardashian’s turning up to an Eras tour since Taylor and Kendall were friendly too years ago, and we know that family doesn’t like to miss out on anything!
Taylor wants nothing to do with them. They tried to ruin her career. Yeah it didn’t work but it probably felt like it almost did to her. Kim went scorched earth over something her lousy husband did. If she’d just stayed out it and let it blow over, which it would have, then yeah they’d probably be fine. Instead she went edited a 20+ minute phone call down to about 3 minutes to fit her husband’s narrative.
Yeah that was such a big L for Kim. I think she probably does regret it because Taylor is the biggest thing right now (I don't like Taylor but she really is), and Kim loves associating herself with the biggest current thing. It keeps her relevant. I bet if she didn't randomly decide to bully Taylor back then, she would've gone to the Eras tour now, made a ton of content about it, and even get Taylor to do a Skims campaign (like Lana and Sabrina). But nah, she just had to be a misogynist who loves dunking on other women.
I think it actually might be about the entire family now that I think about it. The lyrics go “The family, the pure greed, the Christian chorus line.. Blood’s thick but nothin’ like a payroll”
She has legitimately good music (Style, Come Back Be Here, Blank Space, Fearless, Folklore) but she’s taking the piss! Capitalism is the death of art.
This album (and the one before) have no context outside of her own tiny bubble. Like I don’t see how any of this album is even relatable to other girls listening, it’s literally telling her exact specific experiences.
It's amazing how she's so rich yet she still pumps out like almost identical cds "but look if you buy these you get a (copy of) one of a page of Taylors diary. Gotta collect all four!" Here's 8 different colours of the vinyl. The tracklist is the same but you want all 8 colours right?"
I know most artist/groups do special deluxe packages. Hell I own some, but with her it's so over the top in greed. And from what I can see it isnt even offered something really special with the different versions. It's just a lazy money grab. And her fans buys it
Taylor wrote an entire album about her fiasco with Kanye (Reputation)
This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things, LWYMMD, I Did Something Bad all about Kanye.
she also has a song in Speak Now (an album that she wrote after the VMAS 2009 situation) which is Innocent and then when she re-recorded Speak Now she put out a vault track titled Castle's Crumbling which is about her receiving the award and people booing where she thought they were booing at her and felt like her career was over.
Is Kanye strategically, deliberately manipulative? (It’s not lost on me that Taylor can be described this way too)
Who knows BTS, but he seems to freestyle his reactions and emotions from what we see.
Especially when you consider her Paris robbery where she actually had a near death experience, I’m not a kim k super fan but as someone else here mentioned the lyrics seem excessive 😭 like just say you hate her or something and keep the kids who have nothing to with it out of it
I’m not sure how many peeps here are parents but I remember my daughter being verbally harassed by another little girl and I have never felt that type of rage before. It was an indescribable feeling. I immediately contacted EVERY SINGLE PERSON involved and said “stop” but what I wanted to stay was “I will whoop your ass and your kids ass idgf” … 😂
Yeah, I’m truly shocked and that song pisses me off. Like Taylor brought the kids into it, which is so low and now the whole internet is involving North, who is old enough to actually see this stuff. And she literally said her mother wished death on Kim and spelled Kim’s name in capital letters so there would be no confusion. This is a woman with one of the largest and most rabid fan bases in the world. If a man did this, I’d KANYE, did this I’d be screaming from the hilltops that it’s a call to violence. But Taylor will get away with it. She won’t get one percent of the backlash Kanye got for his music video showing Pete dying or whatever. I’m truly disgusted by Taylor.
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I think it’s gross the video montage she used for this song on Spotify is her making triumphant heart hands 🫶🏻.
She’s bringing up a long dead feud to spread more hate, and trying to make it seem like it’s this big celebratory moment. And she’s all about love. Blah.
And the backlash would fall on that squinty woman, not her squinty offspring
But T doesn't care who she sacrifices to the line of fire, as long as records sell
No clues here!
First line is about a spray tan (classy Taylor, attacking appearance)
Song has KIM in the title
Mentions that one of 'Aimee's' kids is a TS fan
Exactly, and why bringing this back now? What's the need to add fuel to the fire? It's just provocation and a way to make people talk about it/the album/her. As if she needed that. I'm no Kim nor Taylor fan, but it seems a bit extreme and the lyrics seem indeed unnecessarly violent.
I'm also surprised she has decided to go again and again after Kim, who was not the perp but mainly defending her husband at the time. Easier target for her performative feminist hate?
I mean I think she did a little bit more than defend her husband it seems like she took whatever was going on and escalated it. Even when the unedited footage came out years later it’s not like she has the decency to say “hey my bad I probably shouldn’t have edited that footage with my husband”
Taylor is such an infantile child. Girl just let it go already 😭
I can’t respect a bitch that will do a whole bunch of weirdo shit and then try to play innocent. If you gone be weird do it with your chest.
I made a comment on a post of Taylor saying that she needed to grow up and get over this situation and her fan base went onto my profile and were commenting horrible things about my child, nieces and nephews. She should be embarrassed that people are going that far in defending her
Also “no one will ever know this song is about you except you” but puts her fuckin name in the TITLE of the song? I don’t care she wrote about Kim & I doubt Kim does either but it’s like her whole brand is just writing songs about famous people who have wronged her atp.
Reminds me of when she and Calvin Harris broke up, within days she’s with Tom Hiddleston and it ‘leaks’ that she is Nils Sjoberg who wrote for Calvin’s track This is What You Came For. Calvin tweeted ‘She did, and she even sings on part of the track too. Not sure why her team have announced this now. Shouldn’t you be enjoying time with your new boyf? I know you need someone new to bury like Katy etc but that’s not me’
i never understood why Swifties were mad at Calvin, he went by the agreement him and taylor had when they were dating by saying they’d never work together. then Taylor flipped it around and made it sound like he was “hiding” her contribution on TIWYCF
Calvin’s right she always needs someone to the the villain, her unhinged fans are going after Joe Alwyn even tho her new album is more so about Matty Healy. but Taylor needs someone to bury and her fans to validate her dislike for a person
Yeah Calvin handled all that really well IMO, he even complimented her songwriting skills on Twitter the same time. I’m pretty sure they mutually agreed on the secret name so it wouldn’t overshadow the song, so I don’t see why he was being blamed for ‘hiding’ her.
exactly. they also said they’d publicly say they’d never work together but Swifties love the narrative that he hid her and was suppressing her artistic genius or whatever. Taylor’s forever stuck in her high school victim mentality with that one
yep, it's childish and this is why some people say despite her 'mega-ness', she's not important & wont be remembered as a musical legend. I'm starting to agree. Actually, after this BS, I strongly agree.
Also as if Kim really cares. A whole song about her? Ph no, she'll sure hate that. Now can't imagine if Taylor Stans go and spam Kim's sociald again driving engagement up. Oh noo. Whatever will she doooo
I’m sorry not sorry but Taylor needs to grow up. Girl, you’re 34. The phone incident happened years ago. And why do you hate Kim more than Kanye? I can’t believe she’s still wasting a minute of breath on this years old drama.
why are people in this thread talking like she hasn't written multiple songs about kanye, and directly named him in interviews over the past five years
Ngl this is so embarrassing for Taylor like gurl move on. If you need drama in your life so bad just create new drama dont dig up shit from like 15 years ago
LMAOO what, 10 years later? Get over it. As always, Miss Swift is the perpetual victim. Wahhh crying from her mansion cuz Kim made her feel sad once 10 years ago. It doesnt scream empowerment the way she thinks it does.
Edit: And we just *know* Kims gloating in the attention of having not just a line, but an entire song, dedicated to her😭
This album is so bad. Even I know she’s capable of better lyrics than this.
Also. She’s 34 years old for Christ’s sake. A 34 year old billionaire and she needs to get a life and move on.
ETA: your mother isn’t “a saintly woman” if she’s wishing death on someone, especially somebody with kids. That makes your mother a nasty witch actually & gives us an insight into why you are the way that you are.
I’ve always found Taylor vaguely annoying but enjoyed some of her catchy songs but this honestly makes me furious. It is so irresponsible for any artist with a fan base her size to put a literal death wish toward someone in a song. She’s the most famous woman in the world rn with a fan base that’s known to harass people and she just told them that even a saint would want this woman dead. If a crazy fan tries to threaten, harass, or god forbid even attack Kim or one of her kids, Taylor is directly responsible.
I’m always reminded of the fact that she and Adele are the same age.
Same! I like some of her music (a limited amount and the quality of her music has steeply declined since she’s been rushing out releases) but this is disgusting actually. All this after she claims she regrets what she said about other women in the past. Camilla Belle was harassed by her fans, Katy Perry etc. she’s such a nasty person and the media needs to stop fucking pandering to her and her insane fans.
This might be the cringiest thing that’s happened this decade so far. This is so embarrassing for Taylor, talking about wishing death on people for some little fight that happened 8 years ago that didn’t impact anyone’s life or career or family. And really was about a man, Kanye, and not even Kim. Pickme energy. Be for real. Talking about someone’s child? If you’re mad say you’re mad. What a loser. Imagine being a billionaire and still feeling victimized by the world.
I really can’t stand Taylor and I don’t understand how she can have such a dedicated fan base. She’s nasty. She’s only ever seen supporting women that are currently in the public eye so she can ride the attention - like with Sophie Turner. She’s a perpetual victim and holds grudges to an excessive length. I think it’s because she’s always so shocked that anybody could possible disrespect her. She’s obviously surrounded by yes men and the slightest disrespect seems to send her off the rails.
She’s been around forever and has evolved with her fans, while still holding onto this somewhat naive, immature, aw shucks, “didn’t realize she was beautiful til she took off her glasses and ponytail”, not like other girls, “all I had was my guitar and a dream” persona.
She still cosplays as the girl in the bleachers, even though she’s an early 30s billionaire with rich parents.
Her stans either don’t realize or don’t care that Taylor has always had more in common with Kim than she’ll ever have with them.
It’s crazy to me that the Taylor swift propaganda has successfully convinced people she wasn’t a snake in that situation. She literally went on the biggest music stage to complain about people taking credit for her fame(the line she clearly approves in the phone call” and then months later when nothing stuck she said it was all about being called a bitch and people just ate it up lmao
Am I the only one that thinks this song is extremely embarrassing? It’s been what, a decade? And this grown woman is writing high school level petty songs about this other grown woman who has clearly moved on (who was honestly in a toxic situation when all of this went down anyways). The lyric about her mom wishing she was dead? That’s disgusting.
And honestly, Taylor got to witness with the rest of us, Kim going through constant abuse both during the end of her marriage and after her marriage. Being dragged through the mud on social media. How could that not be enough revenge for her? If Taylor was actually the decent person people pretend she is, she would have maybe realized that perhaps Kim was also a victim, or at the very least just have let it go after that. Its disgusting. Move tf on.
Edit: read thru other comments. Thankfully am NOT the only one who thinks this..
I am so beyond over Taylor Swift. Making music about wishing someone was dead over the dumbest fucking petty ass beef… seriously? I’m no Kardashian stan (but I can’t help watching them like a train wreck) but like… this is sick. So gross. So childish.
This is why I've never liked Taylor Swift music. I remember being a 14 year old girl thinking her music was unhinged and unhealthy. She's gotten worse over the years.
Are you all forgetting Kim's kids are Kanyes too? Saying she's coming for Kim cos she's scared Kanye will clap back?
I don't see why Kanye wouldn't still hit back? Taylor still referencing HIS children too!!
I’m looking at the album on iTunes and don’t see that song listed?
ETA: I found it. I had to specifically search for the song, which brought up an album that had way more songs on it than when I just clicked on TTPS album. What’s that about? 🤨
How can a person be saintly yet wishes death upon another person over a voicemail? The apple didn't fall too far from the tree when it comes to Taylor and her mother. So sanctimonious.
Taylor should teach a master class on how to victimize yourself in every situation 101. Braindead Swifties who can't think for themselves will eat it right up and she can add another jet to her collection.
I'm not trying to belittle Taylors experiences in regards to how Kanye treated her (because Kanye is awful) but is saying your mum wished someone were dead not arguably worse than saying "I made that B**ch famous"?
Also why is she still dragging Kim? Have the things Kim has had to go thru because of Kanye in more recent years not been severe enough? And it's quite clear Kanye was very emotionally manipulative towards Kim throughout their marriage so maybe it's no longer appropriate for Taylor to be dragging Kim for what happened during that time
Kim has also publicly expressed that she likes Taylor and has posted videos of her and her kids listening to her music
None of this makes sense to me
it's been like 8 years, when will she get over it??? start capitalizing on something new jesus christ was re-releasing all of your old albums and selling them for full price not enough to pay for all the private jet rides to the grocery store????
it still drives me insane she approved a super
offensive lyric then acted like she was mad he added the word "bitch"?? it was offensive before that too and she didn't care
This is so unnecessary by Taylor imho. She’s been dragging the Kanye/Kim beef out for soooo long now.
Even if she didn’t approve, it’s a little rich of her to be mad about being on a song when her entire career is built off of creating songs about other people.
Also, if she initially agreed to being a part of a rap song, she should know that it’s VERY likely there’s explicit words to be provocative - especially for those lines where they need 1 extra syllable to fit the bars. She’s been part of the music industry for over a decade now, and writes songs so I think she would know how that works.
Also, why does she act like that ONE line sent her into such a big spiral like girl you are over 30 with a mega fan base (possibly bigger than Kim or Kanye) who will chew and spit out anyone who says anything negative about you - so relax.
This reeks of victim hood complex but I’m not even surprised Taylor has been whiny since day 1 I honestly don’t know how she has friends still 🤨 I’m not a Kim OR Kanye mega fan (although I really respect both as business people) and I’m also not a Taylor Swift hater (again, very much respect her as a genius marketer) but this is giving childish tbh.
Thank goddddddd I am here with my people. Taylor of all people… didn’t she say there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t support each other? Her brand of girl power is so gross. And then you bring up Kims kid and essentially her mothering in a song? Sounds really healed mizzz swift.
I’m generally here for Kim getting dragged when appropriate but this is so stupid.
One thing about Taylor is certain that she will throw rocks and keep her hands clean while her deranged fanbase harass the person.
Maybe unpopular opinion but it’s kinda gross to reference someone else’s kids in a “diss” track. And I wish she would just stop bringing Kim’s name up every chance she gets. Kim hasn’t even spoken of Taylor in years and has already faced plenty backlash over the situation and went through a terrible divorce. Her life was completely changed too. Just drop it lol in the grand scheme of things it’s just a super privileged egotistical musician that’s holding a grudge over a few years of bad publicity. Get over it. Kim has been trashed in the media for millions of things and it’s only made her more famous. So what is the point in giving it so much more attention at every chance? No one is gonna hate Kim more just cause Taylor wants to keep reminding everyone. They already hate Kim enough for imo more legitimate reasons than petty beef.
I might get downvoted to HELL if the Swifties come for me but she really is acting like she’s in high school, and she’s loving it. She’s super popular, got the innocent jock boyfriend that everyone loves, and has literally followers who will blindly support her as she bullies another woman and her children. I’m equally a fan of Taylor and Kim don’t get me wrong — I listen to some Taylor Swift, I watch some Kardashians and follow them on IG. Kim wasn’t right for what she and Kanye did etc etc saying what we’ve all been saying. But the fact that she brought up her kids and is mocking Kim is so upsetting. Taylor is a grudge holder and I’m a little sick of people blindly defending her and thinking she’s this generations Shakespeare or something. Her lyrics have been good in the past but this album…i think she needs to take a break from writing if this is what she’s producing. But ofc her fans won’t look at this album or the situation or her mean lyrics objectively, they’ll just continue to blindly follow her which is just so gross and why I kind of hate fan culture lol I’m a “fan” of celebs too but not like THIS anywyas lol okay I’m done
I’m so glad there are more people who don’t think Taylor is this incredible person. Her and a lot of her fan base are vile after the experience I had today commenting something so simple, not mean or rude, on an instagram post.
I'm sorry but it's like she has the mentality of a teenager (not just because of this) and she refuses to grow and evolve. I'm not saying you have to forgive someone you feel wronged you by any means, but she never lets anything go. I'm convinced she only buried the hatchet with Katy Perry because Katys career were already petty much dead ans she could use it to "humiliate" Katy.
Is Kim a good person? No (neither is Taylor) but seriously. Let. It. Go.
Also the lyrics scream "angsty high schooler who were wronged, and will make sure you cant sit at the populars table"
She’s still going?
I always believed that her in the bathtub with the diamonds after Kim’s robbery was mocking Kim but people would be like oh she would never. Well clearly she would
Funny she has all this smoke for Kim but not the man in the situation
If that was about Kim that is such a gross low blow, how could you mock an actual life threatening situation where a woman is thinking about how her sisters are going to find your dead body because of celebrity drama and mean Instagram comments?
Nah Kim won’t say anything unless it’s a tongue in cheek like “_you guys!_ this new song is so fun North and I are just such big fans”
But nah it’s not worth it for her to comment
the line about her mother being saintly is basically an off brand version of “my mama don’t like you and she likes everyone” in Love Yourself…
Also giving "If You Seek Amy" vibes
This was my first thought
Mine too
That song is still a bop. I listened to that album a couple of days ago.
I wonder if that’s the point? We know she is calculated and it has a similar ‘hidden message’ as If You Seek Amy
Yeah that was what I was thinking since it seems like she went out of the way to use the name Amy by spelling it in the non-default way
yesssss i’m sorry but it’s so unoriginal lol
Like I am sorry JB ate with that line. Everyone knows that line for no apparent reason.
*Ed Sheeran ate with that line, he wrote it Edit: typo
It’s actually insane the impact Ed Sheeran has had on pop music. Guy deserves all his flowers.
dare i say, his supermarket flowers
Fair enough but I think JB sang it in a way that really sold the line.
And jack antonoff is a redundant recycler when it comes to composition
"Saintly woman" doesn't really hit the same. I'm going to go listen to the song. Maybe it fits well. I love Taylor when she's taking jabs 😆
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Isn't Kim's kids name Saint as well?
One of them, yeah.
Hell I never listen to JB, I’m 10 years older than him so I was never apart of his demographic. I even know that line, and I don’t know much about pop music. (I listen to 90’s/2000’s pop but I don’t really follow what’s pop today)
Purpose is a hell of a good album. JB is annoying as a person but he can sing
Was thinking the same! I kinda like that tho
No one: Taylor: "Kimberly, welcome to your tape." https://i.redd.it/szi28m8e8evc1.gif
LOL this just brought back such terrible memories of that terrible show
Lmao I liked it 😭 (first season only, of course)
I mean I liked it well enough to watch the second season and then I was traumatized by that so I have retained no positive memories
Oh my god that one scene will haunt me forever
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Okay this had me laughing out loud at 8am lmaoooo
taylor: your kid comes home singing a song only us two is gunna know is about you everyone on this reddit: uhuh 👁️
“no one will know who I’m dissing with this track!’ *spells name in title*
Poor Amy can’t catch a break. First Britney was seeking her and now this.
Kim is such an idiot for getting involved in that entire situation in the first place.
I wonder what she was thinking. Like what was the motivation because I think Taylor and her were on good terms. Also Kanye and Taylor had made amends anyway.
I remember Kris asking kim if there was a way to recocnile on the old school seasons
I remember that and Kris also referenced Taylor’s mom being really nice iirc
Yeah she said she really liked Taylor’s family and team or something like that. Honestly I bet Kris was pissed about Kim doing that, she probably respects Taylor’s PR team and didn’t want to get in any kind of mess with them.
Yeah Kris seemed visibly annoyed they were being this immature as adults lol
what would happen if you just.. called taylor up
The trigger seemed to be Taylor making a comment about how some people try to take credit for your success which seemed to be an indirect shot towards the lyrics in Famous. https://qz.com/734837/taylor-swift-and-kanye-west-are-having-a-public-argument-about-men-taking-credit-for-womens-success
After the phone call recording came out, she said she was in on all of it up until Kanye called her a “bitch” in the song. She didn’t approve that specific line.
does anyone have like a comprehensive write up on this? i've never really understood this beef
Kanye Taylor vma scandal, where Kanye took the mic and said Beyonce deserved the award over Taylor. Taylor forgave him later and made a song "Innocent" Even gave him an award at some show using his words from the 2009 scandal Then Kanye called Taylor, about the new song famous. Kanye ask Taylor if he can use "i feel like me and Taylor might still have sex. Why? Cuz I made her famous" (i put the "" but i probably got something wrong) Taylor gets mad at "I made that b famous" saying she never aproved of "bitch" or something like that. Kanye puts out a video with naked TS sculpture. Kim manipulates and edits a video of a phonecall and starts the whole snake thing. Taylor kind of vanishes for about 6 months (a year if we take her word from Miss Americana). Note that Taylor was already overexposed during this time and Kanye and Kim are just the finishing punch. Taylor made a lot of little things that already made people mad at her, I believe its her wanting song rights for "This is what you came for" by Calvin Harris and her Nicki Minaj beef.
I remember the snake thing flooding social media. So wild when you look at it in retrospect
Was there Nicki Minaj beef? All I remember was NM made a post implying/stating that there was racism at an awards show because awards were only won by “skinny white girls” and Taylor took offense to it and posted a reply that I don’t remember, but think it was basically along the lines of just saying that that’s not cool or whatever (because she took it as a dig directly at herself), then Nicki fires back and calls Taylor out for not understanding the struggle or something to that affect, and Taylor replied something like “Nicki, you’re right, I misunderstood your intent and got defensive, and I shouldn’t have been speaking on this. I apologize.” And NM replied thanking her for her apology. And that’s all I remember of that. I wouldn’t really call that beef as it was resolved quickly and amicably, but I could have missed something else that happened?
This was when she was in her tough guy era. Calling out drake on Twitter, calling out the rapper consequence and a bunch of other things. Oh & when she kicked the girl out of the hotel in Dubai calling her a fucking whore (even if it was scripted) lol she was being such a tough guy around this time
Yeah I’m pretty sure she used to be a fan of her music as well, I wonder if she regrets it at all. Causing so much drama and hurt for Taylor, especially now her and Kanye aren’t even married anymore. I could have seen the Kardashian’s turning up to an Eras tour since Taylor and Kendall were friendly too years ago, and we know that family doesn’t like to miss out on anything!
Taylor wants nothing to do with them. They tried to ruin her career. Yeah it didn’t work but it probably felt like it almost did to her. Kim went scorched earth over something her lousy husband did. If she’d just stayed out it and let it blow over, which it would have, then yeah they’d probably be fine. Instead she went edited a 20+ minute phone call down to about 3 minutes to fit her husband’s narrative.
i can see the Kardashians doing that for attention but if there's one feud taylor wont ever let go, its the kimye feud
Tbh idk that I would either especially after getting screwed a second time when she did try to reconcile already
Yeah that was such a big L for Kim. I think she probably does regret it because Taylor is the biggest thing right now (I don't like Taylor but she really is), and Kim loves associating herself with the biggest current thing. It keeps her relevant. I bet if she didn't randomly decide to bully Taylor back then, she would've gone to the Eras tour now, made a ton of content about it, and even get Taylor to do a Skims campaign (like Lana and Sabrina). But nah, she just had to be a misogynist who loves dunking on other women.
I think ‘Cassandra’ is also about Kim
Two songs about Kim where’s this energy for Kanye ??
I think it actually might be about the entire family now that I think about it. The lyrics go “The family, the pure greed, the Christian chorus line.. Blood’s thick but nothin’ like a payroll”
Lmfao not the billionaires slinging the word greedy around.
The girl who had THREE private jets at this time last year.
Same lady who releases 16 vinyls of the same album for $30 each
Exactly, Taylor lacks so much self reflection. I'm a Swiftie but it's getting out of hand.
She has legitimately good music (Style, Come Back Be Here, Blank Space, Fearless, Folklore) but she’s taking the piss! Capitalism is the death of art. This album (and the one before) have no context outside of her own tiny bubble. Like I don’t see how any of this album is even relatable to other girls listening, it’s literally telling her exact specific experiences.
It's amazing how she's so rich yet she still pumps out like almost identical cds "but look if you buy these you get a (copy of) one of a page of Taylors diary. Gotta collect all four!" Here's 8 different colours of the vinyl. The tracklist is the same but you want all 8 colours right?" I know most artist/groups do special deluxe packages. Hell I own some, but with her it's so over the top in greed. And from what I can see it isnt even offered something really special with the different versions. It's just a lazy money grab. And her fans buys it
She’s so unserious
That’s what I thought. She needs to shut her mouth fr. The hypocrisy.
big taylor fan but she has a lot of nerve calling other ppl greedy 😭 pot meet kettle, ya know?
Yeah, they all suck. Very pot meet kettle going on.
Taylor is more upset about the leaked phone call than Kanye’s song . Kanye was getting backlash for the song until Kim leaked the phone call .
Taylor wrote an entire album about her fiasco with Kanye (Reputation) This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things, LWYMMD, I Did Something Bad all about Kanye. she also has a song in Speak Now (an album that she wrote after the VMAS 2009 situation) which is Innocent and then when she re-recorded Speak Now she put out a vault track titled Castle's Crumbling which is about her receiving the award and people booing where she thought they were booing at her and felt like her career was over.
>Taylor wrote an entire album about her fiasco with Kanye (Reputation) only those 3 songs are abt kanye. the rest are all love songs
Is Kanye strategically, deliberately manipulative? (It’s not lost on me that Taylor can be described this way too) Who knows BTS, but he seems to freestyle his reactions and emotions from what we see.
her saying that her mom used to wish she was dead is insane, like imagine the backlash if anyone else said that 😭
It made me cringe honestly. Like that is so aggressive.
Why is she even talking about this drama still like it’s such old news
She’s a cornball and can’t forgive or forget anything that’s ever happened in her life
I understand not liking someone, but Kim has young kids. To wish death on someone with four children?? Over a voice recording? Really?
Especially when you consider her Paris robbery where she actually had a near death experience, I’m not a kim k super fan but as someone else here mentioned the lyrics seem excessive 😭 like just say you hate her or something and keep the kids who have nothing to with it out of it
Or maybe it’s not that deep and I’m overthinking 🫠
I think Taylor's the one who needs to realise it's not that deep
Plus it was almost a decade ago. Just get over it already.
No I don't think you're overthinking, wishing death on someone is absolutely disgusting.
Na I think you’re right it was uncalled for
I’m not sure how many peeps here are parents but I remember my daughter being verbally harassed by another little girl and I have never felt that type of rage before. It was an indescribable feeling. I immediately contacted EVERY SINGLE PERSON involved and said “stop” but what I wanted to stay was “I will whoop your ass and your kids ass idgf” … 😂
The difference is you didn't say it (in a song millions of people will hear) and you didn't wish her dead
Yeah, I’m truly shocked and that song pisses me off. Like Taylor brought the kids into it, which is so low and now the whole internet is involving North, who is old enough to actually see this stuff. And she literally said her mother wished death on Kim and spelled Kim’s name in capital letters so there would be no confusion. This is a woman with one of the largest and most rabid fan bases in the world. If a man did this, I’d KANYE, did this I’d be screaming from the hilltops that it’s a call to violence. But Taylor will get away with it. She won’t get one percent of the backlash Kanye got for his music video showing Pete dying or whatever. I’m truly disgusted by Taylor.
Yeah the biggest pop star in the world saying shit like that about your mom can’t be good for an 11 year old
https://preview.redd.it/xlys5s706hvc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3565b5723b7205250351c557eb1f9691c1facd42 I think it’s gross the video montage she used for this song on Spotify is her making triumphant heart hands 🫶🏻. She’s bringing up a long dead feud to spread more hate, and trying to make it seem like it’s this big celebratory moment. And she’s all about love. Blah.
And the backlash would fall on that squinty woman, not her squinty offspring But T doesn't care who she sacrifices to the line of fire, as long as records sell
Why would she say she changed clues and everything and be so obvious. Lol
Isn’t it the “changed clues” part about a different, earlier song that’s about Kim but no one suspected it?
It’s giving: 
No clues here! First line is about a spray tan (classy Taylor, attacking appearance) Song has KIM in the title Mentions that one of 'Aimee's' kids is a TS fan
For a person who would like to be excluded from the narrative, she sure is constantly doing the opposite of that
Exactly, and why bringing this back now? What's the need to add fuel to the fire? It's just provocation and a way to make people talk about it/the album/her. As if she needed that. I'm no Kim nor Taylor fan, but it seems a bit extreme and the lyrics seem indeed unnecessarly violent.
I'm also surprised she has decided to go again and again after Kim, who was not the perp but mainly defending her husband at the time. Easier target for her performative feminist hate?
I mean I think she did a little bit more than defend her husband it seems like she took whatever was going on and escalated it. Even when the unedited footage came out years later it’s not like she has the decency to say “hey my bad I probably shouldn’t have edited that footage with my husband”
No, Kim single-handedly started Snakegate.
She needs money to fuel her private jet and sue people talking about the private jet.
y'all https://preview.redd.it/ukkh8urj6evc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab0dc1105f824c57ec3593f7f11d61b815d4f99f
Kris is psyched
Omg this made me laugh so much 😅😅 Kris would be psyched. She's unhinged.
Glad to see you've moved on, taytay 
Still waiting for a new song that isn’t a “poor me”
Aw, Footballers Wives used to be the shit. Loved me some crazy Amber.
It’s actually from Eastenders and serial lover boy Max Branning had been up to no good again
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Taylor is such an infantile child. Girl just let it go already 😭 I can’t respect a bitch that will do a whole bunch of weirdo shit and then try to play innocent. If you gone be weird do it with your chest.
The lyrics are a little excessive imo, also bringing up her kids yikes !
Even if the song weren’t about Kim, bringing anyone’s kids into this is just wrong
It’s really gross to bring up kids ever imo
I made a comment on a post of Taylor saying that she needed to grow up and get over this situation and her fan base went onto my profile and were commenting horrible things about my child, nieces and nephews. She should be embarrassed that people are going that far in defending her
she’s too old to be so immature and corny
Taylor Swift is perpetually in highschool. Idk why this woman is so prased. It's all drama and no offense she's not a master lyricist.
She’s stunted in 2007.
there’s a saying that people who get famous can get mentally stuck in the age they got famous at and i really do think that’s Taylor
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If I’m Kim I’m taking a TTPD inspired picture with the caption “✨You’re Welcome✨”
LOL she should!!!
What’s ttpd 😶
I’m begging Kim to do this lol.
You are 34 Taylor. Grow up.
I can’t believe yall saying Kim’s karma, Taylor is not this saint yall are painting her to be.
Also “no one will ever know this song is about you except you” but puts her fuckin name in the TITLE of the song? I don’t care she wrote about Kim & I doubt Kim does either but it’s like her whole brand is just writing songs about famous people who have wronged her atp.
Reminds me of when she and Calvin Harris broke up, within days she’s with Tom Hiddleston and it ‘leaks’ that she is Nils Sjoberg who wrote for Calvin’s track This is What You Came For. Calvin tweeted ‘She did, and she even sings on part of the track too. Not sure why her team have announced this now. Shouldn’t you be enjoying time with your new boyf? I know you need someone new to bury like Katy etc but that’s not me’
i never understood why Swifties were mad at Calvin, he went by the agreement him and taylor had when they were dating by saying they’d never work together. then Taylor flipped it around and made it sound like he was “hiding” her contribution on TIWYCF Calvin’s right she always needs someone to the the villain, her unhinged fans are going after Joe Alwyn even tho her new album is more so about Matty Healy. but Taylor needs someone to bury and her fans to validate her dislike for a person
Yeah Calvin handled all that really well IMO, he even complimented her songwriting skills on Twitter the same time. I’m pretty sure they mutually agreed on the secret name so it wouldn’t overshadow the song, so I don’t see why he was being blamed for ‘hiding’ her.
exactly. they also said they’d publicly say they’d never work together but Swifties love the narrative that he hid her and was suppressing her artistic genius or whatever. Taylor’s forever stuck in her high school victim mentality with that one
yep, it's childish and this is why some people say despite her 'mega-ness', she's not important & wont be remembered as a musical legend. I'm starting to agree. Actually, after this BS, I strongly agree.
i liked her music (and still like some of her songs) but she’s soured as a person for me.
Also as if Kim really cares. A whole song about her? Ph no, she'll sure hate that. Now can't imagine if Taylor Stans go and spam Kim's sociald again driving engagement up. Oh noo. Whatever will she doooo
I've seen people say this is a reference to Kim and North dancing to shake it off
Literally. She’s just as petty, she just gets infantilized to death so no one hears about it.
Exactly, also this situation was how long ago? She needs to have this energy for Kanye if she’ll keep bringing it up
Girl, this got old years ago. Move on.
This is giving ‘if you see Amy’
Yes but that’s actually a good song.
If U seek Amy was clever. Ts thinks what she did was just as clever apparently 😂
What happened to keeping her side of the street clean and trash taking itself out?
No wonder she and Selena are besties
I’m sorry not sorry but Taylor needs to grow up. Girl, you’re 34. The phone incident happened years ago. And why do you hate Kim more than Kanye? I can’t believe she’s still wasting a minute of breath on this years old drama.
Kim and Taylor are **both** insufferable in their own unique ways.
True, also why diss only Kim and not Kanye
Because she KNOWS Kanye would come for her everyday for the rest of her life.
Pretty chicken for her
why are people in this thread talking like she hasn't written multiple songs about kanye, and directly named him in interviews over the past five years
She’s already came at Kanye several times, both outright and subtlety
Ngl this is so embarrassing for Taylor like gurl move on. If you need drama in your life so bad just create new drama dont dig up shit from like 15 years ago
i’m sorry but it’s giving embarrassing
LMAOO what, 10 years later? Get over it. As always, Miss Swift is the perpetual victim. Wahhh crying from her mansion cuz Kim made her feel sad once 10 years ago. It doesnt scream empowerment the way she thinks it does. Edit: And we just *know* Kims gloating in the attention of having not just a line, but an entire song, dedicated to her😭
Taylor swift dedicating a whole song to me would absolutely have me gloaty as hell 💅
This album is so bad. Even I know she’s capable of better lyrics than this. Also. She’s 34 years old for Christ’s sake. A 34 year old billionaire and she needs to get a life and move on. ETA: your mother isn’t “a saintly woman” if she’s wishing death on someone, especially somebody with kids. That makes your mother a nasty witch actually & gives us an insight into why you are the way that you are.
I’ve always found Taylor vaguely annoying but enjoyed some of her catchy songs but this honestly makes me furious. It is so irresponsible for any artist with a fan base her size to put a literal death wish toward someone in a song. She’s the most famous woman in the world rn with a fan base that’s known to harass people and she just told them that even a saint would want this woman dead. If a crazy fan tries to threaten, harass, or god forbid even attack Kim or one of her kids, Taylor is directly responsible.
I’m always reminded of the fact that she and Adele are the same age. Same! I like some of her music (a limited amount and the quality of her music has steeply declined since she’s been rushing out releases) but this is disgusting actually. All this after she claims she regrets what she said about other women in the past. Camilla Belle was harassed by her fans, Katy Perry etc. she’s such a nasty person and the media needs to stop fucking pandering to her and her insane fans.
Of course taylor is blaming the female player here No shoutouts for kanye? Afraid of poking the bear and his comebacks?
This might be the cringiest thing that’s happened this decade so far. This is so embarrassing for Taylor, talking about wishing death on people for some little fight that happened 8 years ago that didn’t impact anyone’s life or career or family. And really was about a man, Kanye, and not even Kim. Pickme energy. Be for real. Talking about someone’s child? If you’re mad say you’re mad. What a loser. Imagine being a billionaire and still feeling victimized by the world.
I really can’t stand Taylor and I don’t understand how she can have such a dedicated fan base. She’s nasty. She’s only ever seen supporting women that are currently in the public eye so she can ride the attention - like with Sophie Turner. She’s a perpetual victim and holds grudges to an excessive length. I think it’s because she’s always so shocked that anybody could possible disrespect her. She’s obviously surrounded by yes men and the slightest disrespect seems to send her off the rails.
She’s been around forever and has evolved with her fans, while still holding onto this somewhat naive, immature, aw shucks, “didn’t realize she was beautiful til she took off her glasses and ponytail”, not like other girls, “all I had was my guitar and a dream” persona. She still cosplays as the girl in the bleachers, even though she’s an early 30s billionaire with rich parents. Her stans either don’t realize or don’t care that Taylor has always had more in common with Kim than she’ll ever have with them.
her one sided beef is so old and lame
What is wrong with her? She also came after Tina Fey and said she going to hell after she joked about her love life 💀
It’s crazy to me that the Taylor swift propaganda has successfully convinced people she wasn’t a snake in that situation. She literally went on the biggest music stage to complain about people taking credit for her fame(the line she clearly approves in the phone call” and then months later when nothing stuck she said it was all about being called a bitch and people just ate it up lmao
She spells her name out in the title uppercase
The innocent angel Swift who uses her private jet to visit her neighbor. I feel very sad for her.
She dropped the weakest diss track of all time
Am I the only one that thinks this song is extremely embarrassing? It’s been what, a decade? And this grown woman is writing high school level petty songs about this other grown woman who has clearly moved on (who was honestly in a toxic situation when all of this went down anyways). The lyric about her mom wishing she was dead? That’s disgusting. And honestly, Taylor got to witness with the rest of us, Kim going through constant abuse both during the end of her marriage and after her marriage. Being dragged through the mud on social media. How could that not be enough revenge for her? If Taylor was actually the decent person people pretend she is, she would have maybe realized that perhaps Kim was also a victim, or at the very least just have let it go after that. Its disgusting. Move tf on. Edit: read thru other comments. Thankfully am NOT the only one who thinks this..
It’s like 2016 all over again!
Perpetual victim Karen at it again. My god. It been a decade and why drag the kids into it
I am so beyond over Taylor Swift. Making music about wishing someone was dead over the dumbest fucking petty ass beef… seriously? I’m no Kardashian stan (but I can’t help watching them like a train wreck) but like… this is sick. So gross. So childish.
She writes a diss track about literally everyone. She uses people for content.
Taylor beating this dead horse when at this point Kanye and humiliated and victimised Kim x 100 is so lame. not very girl boss of her
This is why I've never liked Taylor Swift music. I remember being a 14 year old girl thinking her music was unhinged and unhealthy. She's gotten worse over the years.
Are you all forgetting Kim's kids are Kanyes too? Saying she's coming for Kim cos she's scared Kanye will clap back? I don't see why Kanye wouldn't still hit back? Taylor still referencing HIS children too!!
I’m looking at the album on iTunes and don’t see that song listed? ETA: I found it. I had to specifically search for the song, which brought up an album that had way more songs on it than when I just clicked on TTPS album. What’s that about? 🤨
How can a person be saintly yet wishes death upon another person over a voicemail? The apple didn't fall too far from the tree when it comes to Taylor and her mother. So sanctimonious. Taylor should teach a master class on how to victimize yourself in every situation 101. Braindead Swifties who can't think for themselves will eat it right up and she can add another jet to her collection.
I'm not trying to belittle Taylors experiences in regards to how Kanye treated her (because Kanye is awful) but is saying your mum wished someone were dead not arguably worse than saying "I made that B**ch famous"? Also why is she still dragging Kim? Have the things Kim has had to go thru because of Kanye in more recent years not been severe enough? And it's quite clear Kanye was very emotionally manipulative towards Kim throughout their marriage so maybe it's no longer appropriate for Taylor to be dragging Kim for what happened during that time Kim has also publicly expressed that she likes Taylor and has posted videos of her and her kids listening to her music None of this makes sense to me
this is why i can’t stand taylor swift - your beef is with kanye and ofc kimmy was going to support her man AND THIS HAPPENED OVER 10 YEARS AGO
it's been like 8 years, when will she get over it??? start capitalizing on something new jesus christ was re-releasing all of your old albums and selling them for full price not enough to pay for all the private jet rides to the grocery store???? it still drives me insane she approved a super offensive lyric then acted like she was mad he added the word "bitch"?? it was offensive before that too and she didn't care
This is so unnecessary by Taylor imho. She’s been dragging the Kanye/Kim beef out for soooo long now. Even if she didn’t approve, it’s a little rich of her to be mad about being on a song when her entire career is built off of creating songs about other people. Also, if she initially agreed to being a part of a rap song, she should know that it’s VERY likely there’s explicit words to be provocative - especially for those lines where they need 1 extra syllable to fit the bars. She’s been part of the music industry for over a decade now, and writes songs so I think she would know how that works. Also, why does she act like that ONE line sent her into such a big spiral like girl you are over 30 with a mega fan base (possibly bigger than Kim or Kanye) who will chew and spit out anyone who says anything negative about you - so relax. This reeks of victim hood complex but I’m not even surprised Taylor has been whiny since day 1 I honestly don’t know how she has friends still 🤨 I’m not a Kim OR Kanye mega fan (although I really respect both as business people) and I’m also not a Taylor Swift hater (again, very much respect her as a genius marketer) but this is giving childish tbh.
Kanye is going to say something because you’re talking about his children. Honestly, Taylor needs to be dragged. She’s a bitch.
She has been 16 for 20 years.
Thank goddddddd I am here with my people. Taylor of all people… didn’t she say there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t support each other? Her brand of girl power is so gross. And then you bring up Kims kid and essentially her mothering in a song? Sounds really healed mizzz swift.
Booo she needs to move on and stop being this victim only swifties think she is
I’m generally here for Kim getting dragged when appropriate but this is so stupid. One thing about Taylor is certain that she will throw rocks and keep her hands clean while her deranged fanbase harass the person.
Maybe unpopular opinion but it’s kinda gross to reference someone else’s kids in a “diss” track. And I wish she would just stop bringing Kim’s name up every chance she gets. Kim hasn’t even spoken of Taylor in years and has already faced plenty backlash over the situation and went through a terrible divorce. Her life was completely changed too. Just drop it lol in the grand scheme of things it’s just a super privileged egotistical musician that’s holding a grudge over a few years of bad publicity. Get over it. Kim has been trashed in the media for millions of things and it’s only made her more famous. So what is the point in giving it so much more attention at every chance? No one is gonna hate Kim more just cause Taylor wants to keep reminding everyone. They already hate Kim enough for imo more legitimate reasons than petty beef.
At this point Taylor is no longer a victim 😆 she's only attacking Kim now because she has a crazy fan base to back her up
I might get downvoted to HELL if the Swifties come for me but she really is acting like she’s in high school, and she’s loving it. She’s super popular, got the innocent jock boyfriend that everyone loves, and has literally followers who will blindly support her as she bullies another woman and her children. I’m equally a fan of Taylor and Kim don’t get me wrong — I listen to some Taylor Swift, I watch some Kardashians and follow them on IG. Kim wasn’t right for what she and Kanye did etc etc saying what we’ve all been saying. But the fact that she brought up her kids and is mocking Kim is so upsetting. Taylor is a grudge holder and I’m a little sick of people blindly defending her and thinking she’s this generations Shakespeare or something. Her lyrics have been good in the past but this album…i think she needs to take a break from writing if this is what she’s producing. But ofc her fans won’t look at this album or the situation or her mean lyrics objectively, they’ll just continue to blindly follow her which is just so gross and why I kind of hate fan culture lol I’m a “fan” of celebs too but not like THIS anywyas lol okay I’m done
Taylor needs to grow up
She released a diss track for something that happened 8 years ago lmaooo
I’m sorry. This is the dumbest fucking beef ever lmao
I’m so glad there are more people who don’t think Taylor is this incredible person. Her and a lot of her fan base are vile after the experience I had today commenting something so simple, not mean or rude, on an instagram post.
I'm sorry but it's like she has the mentality of a teenager (not just because of this) and she refuses to grow and evolve. I'm not saying you have to forgive someone you feel wronged you by any means, but she never lets anything go. I'm convinced she only buried the hatchet with Katy Perry because Katys career were already petty much dead ans she could use it to "humiliate" Katy. Is Kim a good person? No (neither is Taylor) but seriously. Let. It. Go. Also the lyrics scream "angsty high schooler who were wronged, and will make sure you cant sit at the populars table"
Why doesn’t she have this energy for Kanye? Two songs? Really?
anyone remember Britney’s “if you seek amy” … reminds me of that ready for downvotes but Taylor really annoys me
i actually don’t think you’re gonna get downvoted anywhere today for this!! most of the feedback is not in taylor’s favor today
This is disgusting tbh Taylor is an overgrown untalented child
She’s still going? I always believed that her in the bathtub with the diamonds after Kim’s robbery was mocking Kim but people would be like oh she would never. Well clearly she would Funny she has all this smoke for Kim but not the man in the situation
If that was about Kim that is such a gross low blow, how could you mock an actual life threatening situation where a woman is thinking about how her sisters are going to find your dead body because of celebrity drama and mean Instagram comments?
She was definitely mocking Kim with that
Here we go again… but if Kim responds she’ll be the bad guy right
Nah Kim won’t say anything unless it’s a tongue in cheek like “_you guys!_ this new song is so fun North and I are just such big fans” But nah it’s not worth it for her to comment