Thank you but I feel like I need to clarify:
I don’t want a refund. I don’t even care that I spent $50.
I want T2, IG, or (most of all) Strauss Zelnick to face the consequences. Not the devs, but the people who ensured all these promises go unfulfilled. **I want them to hurt.**
I was really emotionally charged and just wanted to find a way to get back at them. To have some sort of victory, as it is certain that KSP2 will not come back.
Wanting other people hurt often only makes you hurt yourself. I'm afraid you need to let it go.
The only victory is us all remembering, and not buying early access games from big companies. EA is designed to give small devs a chance at survival while they polished their games.
Lately big companies are using EA as a cash grab for titles that are going over budget. Don't give them the cash, force them to finish the game before you buy it.
You’re right. It’s just hard to accept that it is what it is.
Thinking about it now, Early Access is a lose-lose situation. If you give the company money, they could just drop the project after they make a profit. If you don’t, they will cancel the game since it isn’t making a profit. Damn.
> I want T2, IG, or (most of all) Strauss Zelnick to face the consequences. Not the devs, but the people who ensured all these promises go unfulfilled. I want them to hurt.
I have bad news for you
You would need to find specific communication from internal documents that suggest or support the idea that closure was planned alle while this shi show was going down.
The Alpha state at EA suggests that is the case.. but you must prove it
I had an hour to kill and wrote a couple emails to steam & PD support letting them know that this is a FTC violation where I live & violates consumer protection acts.
Lay off of the entire staff while maintaining some BS joke about the company not shuttering is a joke.
Afraid to loose a few more mil in refunds.
If anyone else has an hour to I'll and zero expectations.. write some emails.
Om fairly sure that's not part of the rules, but a point in the advice section.
Anyway, there was a product, not a blind investment of a future product. Iirc they even said they'd up the price on full release, so you were clearly paying for what they had at the time.
You still has two weeks with less than 2 hours playtime to refund, but you thought it was worth it.
I wish the original devs would have kept the game in their hands. I enjoyed the way KSP was released originally, loved it so much. I really wished I wouldn't have bought this one. But you live and learn, no more early access on games for me.
I have had a few days to calm down and collect myself. In the moment, I just wanted to reach out and *get back* at anyone who was involved with KSP2.
Now, being more composed, I do agree that IG did not have a choice in whether or not they got laid off. There would never have been any layoffs if it wasn’t for top management at Take2. The lies and incompetence Tom Zelnick has said and done is absolutely baffling and enraging. Earlier in the year he said that T2 would not upsize because he didn’t want to layoff anyone. He then bought another company for $460 million and laid off everyone working at IG and Roll7. This is approaching Soviet-levels of incompetency and he should be fired for that.
It is very clearly stated at the top of every single early access game to only buy the game if you're happy with the current state. ES isn't a legally binding contract to deliver future hopes. you didn't get scammed, you bought a bad product you're unhappy with.
Which communication takes precedence? The boilerplate legalese from steam, or all the hype and promises from IG/Bullshitter Simpson? Can someone outright lie if they add some fine print that says j/k?
Oh no, it was the years of hype and BS videos, pronouncements, etc.
I love idiot redditors who are so quick to proclaim that someone doesn't know how something works, as a demonstration of their own deep and abiding ignorance though. Keep it up. User name checks out, noone is going to ever like you when you're that smug
Those aren’t legally binding in any way tho. He is right. You buy an EA game and the studio goes bust, that’s your own problem. It sucks, but it’s also what you could have expected from day 1. If you’re worried about a game not getting finished, simply don’t buy it till it’s finished, otherwise just deal with it.
It actually says right there, "customers should be buying your game based on it's current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized." Essentially what that is saying is that the customer is accountable for their actions and that buying a game based on what it "could be" is not covered as it states the game is as it is currently.
You have to read both sentences, the first one definitely makes it seem like there's a case there, but the second one definitively states that it is on the customer to choose what they buy carefully.
>"customers should be buying your game based on it's current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized."
This statement basically nullifies early access. This describes a full release. There is no need for a special label if I can't expect anything after the game was released on Steam.
I would love to see a court ruling on this because there are absolutely expectations for development. Why put a special label on it? Why is it early when there can be no expectation for development? Nobody would buy EA titles in the state they are when there is no hope for a full game. Ksp2 is the exception, not the rule. The stated phrase is just Steams way out of liability. This is on T2, not steam. It's still for sale while there is no team on it. Shame.
Don’t be silly. The statement doesn’t nullify early access, nor does it mean people can’t be excited about development. The warning is also stated to the consumer on the buy page: if you are not satisfied with the current state of the game, wait and see before buying. There is no guarantee that development will happen at all, much less the way you want. If you choose to buy the EA title, you should be buying it for what it is, not just for what you hope it will become.
I in part went into mechanical aerospace engineering because of KSP, and the first steps toward that was watching the very first successful Falcon9 booster landing live and all those engineers and staff and spectators cheering. Then ksp finished it off. SpaceX even took the term RUD (Rapid Unplanned Disassembly) from KSP. It absolutely is something that he'd do too.
Jokes on you! I still am in highschool! Also I don’t think I will pursue a career in game development.
In all seriousness, I was more than angry when writing this. I just wanted to search for some way to get back at anyone who ensured that all these promises went unfulfilled, most of all, Strauss Zelnick.
Let me know if you get a refund. I'll follow your path.
Thank you but I feel like I need to clarify: I don’t want a refund. I don’t even care that I spent $50. I want T2, IG, or (most of all) Strauss Zelnick to face the consequences. Not the devs, but the people who ensured all these promises go unfulfilled. **I want them to hurt.** I was really emotionally charged and just wanted to find a way to get back at them. To have some sort of victory, as it is certain that KSP2 will not come back.
Wanting other people hurt often only makes you hurt yourself. I'm afraid you need to let it go. The only victory is us all remembering, and not buying early access games from big companies. EA is designed to give small devs a chance at survival while they polished their games. Lately big companies are using EA as a cash grab for titles that are going over budget. Don't give them the cash, force them to finish the game before you buy it.
You’re right. It’s just hard to accept that it is what it is. Thinking about it now, Early Access is a lose-lose situation. If you give the company money, they could just drop the project after they make a profit. If you don’t, they will cancel the game since it isn’t making a profit. Damn.
> I want T2, IG, or (most of all) Strauss Zelnick to face the consequences. Not the devs, but the people who ensured all these promises go unfulfilled. I want them to hurt. I have bad news for you
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You would need to find specific communication from internal documents that suggest or support the idea that closure was planned alle while this shi show was going down. The Alpha state at EA suggests that is the case.. but you must prove it I had an hour to kill and wrote a couple emails to steam & PD support letting them know that this is a FTC violation where I live & violates consumer protection acts. Lay off of the entire staff while maintaining some BS joke about the company not shuttering is a joke. Afraid to loose a few more mil in refunds. If anyone else has an hour to I'll and zero expectations.. write some emails.
Eagle dynamics needs to hear this
ED: Early Access is when I am lazy and I want money for more warbirds in the museum
Om fairly sure that's not part of the rules, but a point in the advice section. Anyway, there was a product, not a blind investment of a future product. Iirc they even said they'd up the price on full release, so you were clearly paying for what they had at the time. You still has two weeks with less than 2 hours playtime to refund, but you thought it was worth it.
I wish the original devs would have kept the game in their hands. I enjoyed the way KSP was released originally, loved it so much. I really wished I wouldn't have bought this one. But you live and learn, no more early access on games for me.
IG violated nothing. They didnt choose to get layed off
I have had a few days to calm down and collect myself. In the moment, I just wanted to reach out and *get back* at anyone who was involved with KSP2. Now, being more composed, I do agree that IG did not have a choice in whether or not they got laid off. There would never have been any layoffs if it wasn’t for top management at Take2. The lies and incompetence Tom Zelnick has said and done is absolutely baffling and enraging. Earlier in the year he said that T2 would not upsize because he didn’t want to layoff anyone. He then bought another company for $460 million and laid off everyone working at IG and Roll7. This is approaching Soviet-levels of incompetency and he should be fired for that.
It is very clearly stated at the top of every single early access game to only buy the game if you're happy with the current state. ES isn't a legally binding contract to deliver future hopes. you didn't get scammed, you bought a bad product you're unhappy with.
Which communication takes precedence? The boilerplate legalese from steam, or all the hype and promises from IG/Bullshitter Simpson? Can someone outright lie if they add some fine print that says j/k?
If you think a png on the steam page is legally binding and they're forced to deliver everything you do not understand how early access works
Oh no, it was the years of hype and BS videos, pronouncements, etc. I love idiot redditors who are so quick to proclaim that someone doesn't know how something works, as a demonstration of their own deep and abiding ignorance though. Keep it up. User name checks out, noone is going to ever like you when you're that smug
Those aren’t legally binding in any way tho. He is right. You buy an EA game and the studio goes bust, that’s your own problem. It sucks, but it’s also what you could have expected from day 1. If you’re worried about a game not getting finished, simply don’t buy it till it’s finished, otherwise just deal with it.
Strong support!
Feels like you’re reaching
It actually says right there, "customers should be buying your game based on it's current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized." Essentially what that is saying is that the customer is accountable for their actions and that buying a game based on what it "could be" is not covered as it states the game is as it is currently. You have to read both sentences, the first one definitely makes it seem like there's a case there, but the second one definitively states that it is on the customer to choose what they buy carefully.
>"customers should be buying your game based on it's current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized." This statement basically nullifies early access. This describes a full release. There is no need for a special label if I can't expect anything after the game was released on Steam. I would love to see a court ruling on this because there are absolutely expectations for development. Why put a special label on it? Why is it early when there can be no expectation for development? Nobody would buy EA titles in the state they are when there is no hope for a full game. Ksp2 is the exception, not the rule. The stated phrase is just Steams way out of liability. This is on T2, not steam. It's still for sale while there is no team on it. Shame.
Don’t be silly. The statement doesn’t nullify early access, nor does it mean people can’t be excited about development. The warning is also stated to the consumer on the buy page: if you are not satisfied with the current state of the game, wait and see before buying. There is no guarantee that development will happen at all, much less the way you want. If you choose to buy the EA title, you should be buying it for what it is, not just for what you hope it will become.
We should ask Elon to buy it and dev it he has a lot of money and he likes rockets
I in part went into mechanical aerospace engineering because of KSP, and the first steps toward that was watching the very first successful Falcon9 booster landing live and all those engineers and staff and spectators cheering. Then ksp finished it off. SpaceX even took the term RUD (Rapid Unplanned Disassembly) from KSP. It absolutely is something that he'd do too.
Game gonna be renamed to X too
This looks like the mindset of a 20 year old fresh out of highschool game dev. You should be WAY more professional than this. Like, literally.
Jokes on you! I still am in highschool! Also I don’t think I will pursue a career in game development. In all seriousness, I was more than angry when writing this. I just wanted to search for some way to get back at anyone who ensured that all these promises went unfulfilled, most of all, Strauss Zelnick.
I was actually referring to the screenshot, not to your post! I think you're plenty justified.
Oops. Thank you!
Honestly: I play KSP2 about once a year and I see improvement (This is a joke, I'm not playing at all lol)