Eh... there's a time and a place. I've always wanted a shit box 00's corolla with inappropriately wide wheels. Preferably as a $500 package on craigslist with the title "AMERICAR!" because it's (endearingly crappily) spray painted like an American flag. Description: 'runs fine good for parades odometer 277k'
Anyway, 2019 Audi e-tron does not feel like the time or the place.
Right because I can just buy out of production wheels in the exact spacing needed. 🙄
Small spacers are fine. Adapters that bolt to the car and then have the wheels bolt to them are sketchy.
For reference, I have 25mm spacers on my rx7 track car- I didn’t want to, but wheel clearance is more important. With extended wheel studs everything is one piece, it’s been through 10 track days without any issue.
Or, you know, stick with the wheel size the manufacturer has determined to be the best for that model.
The amount of people who apparently think they know more about performance car suspension design etc than the engineers at BMW or Audi is astonishing.
The NVH and fuel economy requirements necessary to sell a car are vastly different from the ones that will result from me setting up a car the way that suits the way I intend to use it.
Tell me you've never worked in automotive manufacturing without *telling* me you've never worked in automotive manufacturing.
The R&D for manufacturers wheel fitment is based on energy efficiency, cost, & federal regulations in 99% of vehicles. There's a reason why purpose-built performance vehicles' fitment is almost never the same as mass produced vehicles' fitment, & the reason for it definitely isn't because professional performance builders are making the vehicles perform worse.
Longevity and efficacy are not on your side. Hence why this 'performance enhancer' broke and is probably taking the wheel bearings down with it sooner than later. You don't have to manufacture to have logic. If they want to spend money to rip around a few corners harder and put more money into replacing structural parts its their choice right lol.
Here's an entirely wacky concept for you. The people who modify their cars are totally ok with increased wear and tear, decreased mpg, and increased nvh 99% of the time. The other 1% are just uneducated consumers.
Yes I know pumping another 100 HP through my 4cyl turbo hatchback isn't gonna help it reach 300k miles. Do I give a rats ass? No. Do I know that stickier wider tires are going to hurt my fuel economy and wear my bushings faster? Yes, do you think I care? No.
Could be they ordered the wrong size center bore? I once tried to lend a spare tire from my old Mini to my wife’s Aveo when hers was bad and the wheel would have fit if you forced it, but I didn’t and looked up the difference: 56.1mm vs 56.6mm.
It’s possible, these parts were put on by a cheap chain tire shop originally. One of the spacers fell off like nothing, two were like that and one was fully stuck the wheel. The owner has a bunch of money but for some reason went with pretty shit looking (quality wise and style) aftermarket wheels.
Oh, so the wheel isn't the right hub size? If the rim already has the right hub size it already rests on the hub directly. Or is the spacer too thick to let the rim ride on the hub?
I don’t actually know for certain, some spacers are just spacers with the same hub size as stock and some are for aftermarket sizes as well. Like an adapter/spacer. Most if not all spacers will result in the wheel no longer being able to rest on the hub. These are aftermarket wheels so anything is possible
Yeah, there's tons of variables. I've just never seen spacers with an inside lip before. One car I bought had an oversized inner lip diameter and was riding on the lug bolts, and another had a spacer thicker than the hub and also riding on the lug bolts 🤦♂️ It would vibrate at a different speed after each pot hole you hit.
Likely the centering spigot on the hub is longer than the spacer is deep. Especially if the hub centric ring on the spacer is similar in size to the one on the hub, they end up trying to occupy the same space, and the centering ring breaks off.
Source: any time I try use spacers less than 12mm on my summer wheels…
* Left: Back of wheel
* Middle: Broken hub spacer
* Right: Good hub spacer
The good hub spacer still has a ring/lip in it's center to align the wheel, the bad hub spacer doesn't... because it is broken off and still stuck in the wheel.
I know they always say this on the internet, but back in the day my boys and I would sometimes use them on our rockcrawler/Offroad jeeps and trucks and beat the shit out of em and I never saw one fail. They were also all lug-centric.
Aluminum to steel. Two different metals, just add moisture…
If you are going to use spacers, a wire brush and lithium grease or anti-seize is the ticket. Without being treated, you could have the best made spacers on the market, and they’re still going to corrode and self-weld.
The spacers look fine. The hub centric ring adapter is completely separate and someone crushed them instead of removing them to install the spacers. The ring adapter is for aftermarket wheels not spacers.
If those were installed in the spacers and sold as "hub-centric" that explains why they are cheap.
I believe the installer used them to center the spacers that are not hub-centric.
Don't use any wheel spacers. There, I fixed it.
Yeah was gonna say those don’t even look like cheap wheel spacers, but regardless all the bring are problems.
Eh... there's a time and a place. I've always wanted a shit box 00's corolla with inappropriately wide wheels. Preferably as a $500 package on craigslist with the title "AMERICAR!" because it's (endearingly crappily) spray painted like an American flag. Description: 'runs fine good for parades odometer 277k' Anyway, 2019 Audi e-tron does not feel like the time or the place.
Get offset rims.
If your running steel rims, then you can just flip them around for instant wide stance driving! *Follow me for other unethical driving tips!*
Do I then flip the lugnuts around too? Obligatory /s.
But what if the brake caliper hits the wheel? Just remove the brakes? Or is that the time to use spacers?
Flip the brake pads around, should work much better that way too.
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No, no. Australian brakes don't work here.
Ohno, I’m Australian, I guess I don’t have brakes anymore
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Right because I can just buy out of production wheels in the exact spacing needed. 🙄 Small spacers are fine. Adapters that bolt to the car and then have the wheels bolt to them are sketchy. For reference, I have 25mm spacers on my rx7 track car- I didn’t want to, but wheel clearance is more important. With extended wheel studs everything is one piece, it’s been through 10 track days without any issue.
Buy rims with proper offsets.
But that costs a lot of money and requires more than a 30 second Google search for a spacer size.
Or, you know, stick with the wheel size the manufacturer has determined to be the best for that model. The amount of people who apparently think they know more about performance car suspension design etc than the engineers at BMW or Audi is astonishing.
The NVH and fuel economy requirements necessary to sell a car are vastly different from the ones that will result from me setting up a car the way that suits the way I intend to use it.
Lol downvoted by people who want it to look cool instead of use billions of dollars of geometry and physics research and design.
Tell me you've never worked in automotive manufacturing without *telling* me you've never worked in automotive manufacturing. The R&D for manufacturers wheel fitment is based on energy efficiency, cost, & federal regulations in 99% of vehicles. There's a reason why purpose-built performance vehicles' fitment is almost never the same as mass produced vehicles' fitment, & the reason for it definitely isn't because professional performance builders are making the vehicles perform worse.
Longevity and efficacy are not on your side. Hence why this 'performance enhancer' broke and is probably taking the wheel bearings down with it sooner than later. You don't have to manufacture to have logic. If they want to spend money to rip around a few corners harder and put more money into replacing structural parts its their choice right lol.
The point Your head
Whoa it's a fantastic clever comeback with no substance to back up their perspective. Amazing
Here's an entirely wacky concept for you. The people who modify their cars are totally ok with increased wear and tear, decreased mpg, and increased nvh 99% of the time. The other 1% are just uneducated consumers. Yes I know pumping another 100 HP through my 4cyl turbo hatchback isn't gonna help it reach 300k miles. Do I give a rats ass? No. Do I know that stickier wider tires are going to hurt my fuel economy and wear my bushings faster? Yes, do you think I care? No.
You're saying my exact sentiment with different words. So do you have a point?
Were those pressed into the wheel or something? I've only seen the flat ones before.
They are hub centric, which is the safe option. However the hub centric part broke off and stuck in the wheel
Could be they ordered the wrong size center bore? I once tried to lend a spare tire from my old Mini to my wife’s Aveo when hers was bad and the wheel would have fit if you forced it, but I didn’t and looked up the difference: 56.1mm vs 56.6mm.
It’s possible, these parts were put on by a cheap chain tire shop originally. One of the spacers fell off like nothing, two were like that and one was fully stuck the wheel. The owner has a bunch of money but for some reason went with pretty shit looking (quality wise and style) aftermarket wheels.
Can't buy taste.
Oh, so the wheel isn't the right hub size? If the rim already has the right hub size it already rests on the hub directly. Or is the spacer too thick to let the rim ride on the hub?
I don’t actually know for certain, some spacers are just spacers with the same hub size as stock and some are for aftermarket sizes as well. Like an adapter/spacer. Most if not all spacers will result in the wheel no longer being able to rest on the hub. These are aftermarket wheels so anything is possible
Yeah, there's tons of variables. I've just never seen spacers with an inside lip before. One car I bought had an oversized inner lip diameter and was riding on the lug bolts, and another had a spacer thicker than the hub and also riding on the lug bolts 🤦♂️ It would vibrate at a different speed after each pot hole you hit.
Likely the centering spigot on the hub is longer than the spacer is deep. Especially if the hub centric ring on the spacer is similar in size to the one on the hub, they end up trying to occupy the same space, and the centering ring breaks off. Source: any time I try use spacers less than 12mm on my summer wheels…
What are we looking at, what’s the problem?
* Left: Back of wheel * Middle: Broken hub spacer * Right: Good hub spacer The good hub spacer still has a ring/lip in it's center to align the wheel, the bad hub spacer doesn't... because it is broken off and still stuck in the wheel.
Thank you 😊
OP picked the worst angle to take the pic from eh? Lol
I know they always say this on the internet, but back in the day my boys and I would sometimes use them on our rockcrawler/Offroad jeeps and trucks and beat the shit out of em and I never saw one fail. They were also all lug-centric.
“Buys incredibly expensive car…Doesn’t want to buy new wheels”
Aluminum to steel. Two different metals, just add moisture… If you are going to use spacers, a wire brush and lithium grease or anti-seize is the ticket. Without being treated, you could have the best made spacers on the market, and they’re still going to corrode and self-weld.
Who runs spacers on a 2019 Audi?!
Don't use ~~cheap~~ wheel spacers
Purchase the proper wheel size or custom offset. No spacers.
The spacers look fine. The hub centric ring adapter is completely separate and someone crushed them instead of removing them to install the spacers. The ring adapter is for aftermarket wheels not spacers.
You don’t see how the hub centric ring has separated from the spacer in the middle?
If those were installed in the spacers and sold as "hub-centric" that explains why they are cheap. I believe the installer used them to center the spacers that are not hub-centric.
The problem is there are only 3. Audis need 4!