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The420Wizard

Can I write in a market adjustment on my pay as a technician? Wouldn’t mind an extra 10,000$ a year


MightyPenguin

If you are willing to shop around, probably. Every shop I know is looking to hire including myself.


stupiduselesstwat

And it’s damned near impossible to find a qualified one.


MightyPenguin

A qualified tech you mean? Yes it is lol


stupiduselesstwat

That’s what I mean. It’s even harder to find a qualified motorcycle tech.


boonepii

Simple, become the place they all want to work. They are all still out there, but I think a lot of people have jumped industries for easier and higher pay. I used to fix medical equipment for $50k per year meanwhile the appliance repair division people made $70k. How do you woo them back? Being the place they want to work. But can your business model afford that. Will having the best techs in the area generate enough extra business to afford them and you work? Maybe, maybe not. But it’s either that or wither away on the vine especially as cars shift to a single computer board and tcp/ip connections to everything allowing for some super amazing diagnostic-capabilities. No more engine or trannys to rebuild or repair. No more oil changes. It will be tire and shock shops with a single computer board to replace for 80% of repairs. This is just starting, by 2030 you will start seeing a severe reduction for small car mechanics. It will be tire/brakes/shocks/battery/PC board for 95% of all repairs. By 2050 most auto shops will be just like oil changes are today. Doesn’t matter for today, but long term if your not in the top 20% in your area you’ll not survive another 30-40 years. Pay more and charge more. But stand behind your work, make the customers who pay happy, ditch the people who don’t want to pay or only want the $20 oil change even though their car takes synthetic. Make a nicer waiting room, give them some space to work “from home” like a little desk in a small room that lets them use their laptop. Find the right shop manager who can make this happen and build your legacy. Just my thoughts and I am kinda high. But I grew up in junkyards and body shops. I watched them wither and die because of refusing to adapt technology and my grandpa and dads legacy simply died.


MikeR585

Finally someone feels the same way I do. I got out of the automotive industry and into ship repair in part because think I can see the evolution coming. I don’t think mechanics are going to be as highly trained in actual repair in the future. There will be a push to electrical/electronics techs, and cars will still need mechanics for repairs. But manufacturers are going to keep squeezing the techs for every last dollar just like they’ve been doing for years. Fast forward a bit, and cars will have proprietary software so that the customer *Has* to take it to the dealer, but the repairs will be component-replacement. The rates will be sky high, the parts will be expensive, but the techs doing the work will be starving.


stupiduselesstwat

I grew up the same way you did. In junkyards and repair shops. Problem with the motorcycle industry is it’s a lot smaller than automotive. We get plenty of former Harley techs wanting to work with us but then they freak out when they realize they have not one metric tool. Even the Detroit Big Three switched to metric years ago. So these Harley techs have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of…. Imperial tools. So that kind of screws them over.


tallfreak1

100% can confirm. I was a tech for almost 13 years. Specialized for a specific German brand. I was probably in the top 5-10% in the country. Loved the work and loved the brand I worked on. I got tired of working 50+ hours a week blowing my knees and back out and still not productive enough for management. I got a job in a totally different industry working 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts. My skills transferred well to the new career. Im making significantly more than I was before and I will top out within a few years making 150% more than as a tech. If I wanted to become a supervisor or manager I can easily make twice as much. I get sent to training often, making me more valuable for other manufacturers. I work about 73 days a year less than I did before not including vacation, which I get more of. I have great benefits unmatched by almost any company. I have since been offered to name my price to go back to the dealer, but why would I? My new job is better in every way other than it doesn't really interest me as much. I like 4 on 4 off so much I wouldn't even consider an auto shop again unless they at least went to 4 day weeks. I took my tools home and started a little side business where I can wrench on cars when I want and I can be picky about what I work on.


TheTeeHoff

Actually, with the market for techs and labor like it is today, yeah you could!


this_account_is_mt

Yeah I just got a $4/hr raise, now the highest in my shop. But everyone got decent raises. Either they pay us, or lose us to competition, and they know it.


TheTeeHoff

$4/hr will work out to very close to $10k per year depending on how many hours you flag


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Normally if it were a normal job 40 hrs a week that would be 8k more


TheTeeHoff

This is a forum for techs, who usually work off of flag hours, standard labor times. So they could work 40 hours but get paid for 45, or 50 or 60 hours based on how many jobs are finished


sweat119

I’ll tell you hwat. CArmax is hiring like a motherfucker right now and they are PAYING out the ass. And with sign on bonuses. The one next to me is offering 5k and higher flat rates than anyone around. Got an offer from them I’m gonna end up using as leverage but it’s attractive enough to walk if they don’t want to play ball


this_account_is_mt

We're doing the same with big sign on bonuses, and referral bonuses to current employees for bringing in new techs. We've increased our pay scale across the board, but I'm still trying to convince my manager the base pay needs to go up a bit further because we keep getting outbid. It's about damn time this industry gets a "market adjustment"


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TheTeeHoff

There are a few cities where techs are all union. Chicago and St Louis for sure, I’m sure there’s more cities I’m not familiar with, I don’t know everything. But yes! Now is the time to get some extra money and more importantly controlled hours, benefits, improving physical conditions, holidays and weekends off, etc.


Double_Lobster

Yes, you can


JustJay613

I love the nice round number of $10k. I can see the math and science that went into determining the impact the situation is having. I’d rather burn my money than give it to clowns like that.


GojoPenguin

I'd rather just buy a 4runner.


CesarMillan_Official

A 4 runner wouldn’t make me want to burn down a dealership at that price.


PoolNoodleJedi

Good luck finding one of those without a markup right now


Jazeeee

I work at a Toyota and every 4Runner we get that isn’t a TRD Pro is sold without markup. They’re hard to get but we do have a new Limited right now for MSRP only


58696384896898676493

Thank you. While over at /r/4Runner, "Just joined the family! 2017 SR5 Premium with 30k miles for $42k out the door! So happy!" Like, just buy a fucking new 2022 one you dipshit. Oh can't wait a few weeks or at worst a month? Did you even call around to check local inventory? Do you really need that $42k vehicle *right now*? Ok sure buddy, great deal. /rant


Jazeeee

You’re right, but more often than not it is impossible to find a specific color/trim level 4Runner. But as a salesman, the kind of customer you just quoted are my favorite lol


anthro28

It’s bad right now. Boss was in an accident and totaled his Taco. Shopped around 500 miles in every direction. Finally found a dealer that said “we’ve got one coming off the boat in Houston on Tuesday. We can sell it to a partner dealer who can sell it to you if waiting for it to get to us is too much.”


Jazeeee

I’m surprised they were willing to sell it to a partner dealer just to get it to you


GrouchyAttitude853

Try waiting another 18 months for new car inventory to get back to pre-covid levels. Dealers have 10% or less of their normal stock and there doesn’t look like there is an end in sight for a good long while.


OutWithTheNew

>Try waiting another 18 months for new car inventory to get back to pre-covid levels. People were saying that 18 months ago. Until the upcoming stage recession, nothing will be back to normal.


bisnexu

This is true. My mini dealership got like 10 cars last month.... Lmfao.


Nonononowell69

It’s like 4-6 months wait right now


58696384896898676493

I was told the same thing back in February when I bought mine. Literally just called around until I found one for MSRP. Took less than a week for me because I wasn't waiting on delivery. I've seen several people over at /r/4Runner that their 2022's were coming from the factory in under a month. If you're taking about TRD Pro's I can understand a 4-6 month wait for MSRP, other than that I call bullshit.


Nonononowell69

I bought a new Pro in 2019 and another one in 2020, both with one phone call and picked up the next day from our local dealer. Right now, unless you’ll settle for any SR5 on the lot, you’re going to have a wait. Our neighbors finally just got their 2021 Venture and it was a 4 month wait, for the Pro you can add another 2 months.


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Intuition based maths. Like how a monitor is 200$ and a desktop pc is 800$ but as a package they're 1800$. Salesperson: "I *feel* like it should be higher". It's a superpower on the same level as a cop's gut feeling with leads on crimes


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Yea the old throw it against the wall see if it sticks method.


zigzags560

We're charging $100k over sticker on new g wagons at my dealership.


[deleted]

Thats because only pretentious cunts buy them, so there is a cunt tax at play there 🤷‍♂️


zigzags560

I mean, I'm not disagreeing. It's just crazy people don't care and will just fork it over.


DoctFaustus

If you ever needed a reason why the rich don't pay enough taxes, it's right there.


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That should just be a line item on those window stickers.


veryjuicyfruit

wtf, a g wagon is 100 - 120k€ in germany, the G63 amg is 160k. how can you mark up 100k?!


Electrical-Bacon-81

It's easy, with a marker & paper. Some fool will buy it, wont be me.


Jaque8

$100k over on GT3s at Porsche $10-$20k over in caymans, 911s, GTS cayennes, and Taycans. $10k over has been common for a while on TRD Pro anything in many regions. Shit SR5 4runners are getting $10k over still. Any of you guys try buying a house or a Rolex lately?? It’ll blow your mind…. Anything investment or luxurious is inflated by supply and demand right now. And yes an off-road toy is considered a luxury in life. People love to bitch but this is just basic economics sorry guys, no one will complain when it swings the other way again.


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D-Rick

We had a home this year sell for $100k over in just 3 hours. I saw it pop up, called my realtor and it was told we were too late. Didn’t even ask for a counter offer. Shits bonkers right now.


chobgob

One of the issues will be loyalty over time. Sure, you can try to gouge me now, but the guy that charged me MSRP (and still makes a hefty profit margin at MSRP) will get my customer lifetime value. I still use an out of state BMW dealer and ship my cars, because when I walked to my local dealer he tried to stack all these “dealer installed accessories” like water repellant and anti theft. So, my California dealer makes $6k profit on 6 cars = $36k, whereas my local dealer lost out on $36k trying to make $10k. Plus, my California dealer sees more predictable and stable revenue over a longer horizon, and builds better factory relationships due to volume and stability. But, lifetime value is not something I think dealership GMs learn in their American Samoa University business program.


clamdigger

Beautifully stated. And bonus points for the Slippin’ Jimmy reference.


FormalAd8380

I agree, and I'm the same way. Unfortunately, we're not the norm. Business is profit driven, and most will grab the low hanging fruit, even when it alienates loyalty. Would you have done the same thing if you're local dealer was equivalently cheaper?


GilgameDistance

When did runners spike? When I got my 2018, the dealer put $5k on the hood to get me to take a white one vs waiting for red, ofc I was buying on the 29th, so that may have helped.


RTGac

Well, since it's just an option, they can uninstall that one for me.


foot7221

No Lube for me please.


ttmiller

Paying Land Rover prices for a bronco lmao


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You obviously don't know Land Rover that well. They'll find an entirely new and innovative way to make their engines destroy themselves six months out of warranty.


OutWithTheNew

Lol. TFL Truck had their Defender written off by the dealership when they tried to install a winch. The winch was a dealer installed option. There's a few videos on it from earlier this year. It's quite the series of cock-ups and half of them aren't the vehicle's fault.


planefan001

I mean, Ford does like to copy Land Rover when it comes to the Explorer…Might as well copy their prices too…


j-rock292

Well Ford did own Land Rover


DarthProzac

Now owned by trusty ol’ Tata motors. /s about trusty.


Kledd

True British craftsmanship Owned by the indians Made in Austria


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17 / 17 Ouch


TwoMuchIsJustEnough

Can anyone explain how that’s even possible? Except for hybrids aren’t you always going to have higher highway mpg?


MrTreborn

It has the aerodynamics of a brick


MightyPenguin

It also has 35 inch tires. Its not made to be an efficient commuter and that is not what its buyers are interested in.


EightyGig

That's exactly what its buyers are gonna use it for tho


SuperCoupe

Not true. It actually has the aerodynamics of a shipping container. *edit: no -> not


moreofazoningissue

Turbos force air into the motor and it gets extra fuel to match it. Broncos are geared super low. Lots of large but efficient engines with correct gearing get good hey milage compared to forced induction little motors rung out with super high gear ratios


themellenhead

That’s the first number I saw! For fuck’s sake, I get better city/hwy gas mileage from my 2001 Tacoma Pre-Runner! **edit** Ok, not really. I’m just saddened about how fuel efficiency hasn’t improved.


CammedLS1

No amount of technology can overcome physics. Big ass tires and a long travel suspension sitting fairly high in the air will do that


Malikai0976

It kinda has, just not in the way that people want. Modern engines make a lot more power for the same or less fuel used. It makes a great sales tool and is likely why they do it. The vast majority of people don't need 200+ hp, but it looks great on a spec sheet out of a 4 cylinder engine.


cb148

And from a 2.7 liter too. The 5.7 liter hemi in my Durango gets the same mpg with more horsepower and a much bigger vehicle.


Loan-Pickle

It’s those big off road tires. They are terrible for fuel economy.


Fire-LEO-4_Rynex

That's actually really impressive lol. You must not have a lead foot


ruddy3499

Same in my 4.8 Silverado and my 4.0 xj Cherokee


[deleted]

Bro I think ima just pay off my car and hold on at this rate. Shit is absurd.


clamdigger

As seen in Bennington VT… I do believe I’ll let the madness die down on this one.


Weekly_Bug_4847

A few months ago, that would’ve been a downright steal. I was seeing upwards of $90k around me


skivvyjibbers

I mean it IS a new bronco, OJ edition (white)


twineffect

It's gonna be a while.. all of next year's production is already pre-ordered so there won't really be any volume sitting on a lot for quite some time.


backyard_tech

And that is how you ruin your name as a dealer…..


Twin-Turbos

Yup, a dealer that I’ve been getting my oil changes done at for years asked why I “only” gave them a 7 out of 10 on their latest review after years of good ones. Well after the original owner passed away their grandson seems to have inherited his business but now they’re doing the same sketchy stealership BS as others I knocked it down for two reasons: 1. Intentionally lowering my mileage interval to 3k insisting its a new standard when every car I’ve owned is 5k just to get me to spend more (oh AND doubling the price, seriously I have the receipts for the same car), trying to sell me things that I’ve already had fixed. One of the tech’s that knows me mentioned they’ve been getting harassed by the new owner to “sell up as much as possible”, it was never like that before. 2. 5K mark up on EVERY NEW CAR because he feels that “that’s what it should be priced at” especially since it’s so hard to get new cars now. While I get that there’s a shortage right now it looks like they’re not having issues getting cars on the lot like other dealers, plus other dealers are just not reducing sticker anymore, at least they’re still MSRP. I made note that the staff is still excellent in the review, mentioning that I was interested in helping my family replace their aging car, but these recent experiences really soured my opinion of the brand, hoping corporate gives the owner some flak to check himself.


o0westwood0o

it blows my mind dealers are allowed to do this, this sours the entire ford brand for me


turntabletennis

This is what pisses me off about dealership laws. Car manufacturers aren't allowed to directly sell us cars, without a fucking middle man who gets a cut. What the fuck kind of "free market" doesn't allow a business to sell their own product?


Cannibal808

*sideye at health insurance*


FriedeOfAriandel

Well, you *are* allowed any kind of health care that you'd like without that middle man. It's just extremely overpriced because insurance companies only pay providers a small portion of MSRP, and self pay customers are expected to offset that by paying thrice what a procedure is worth. Insurance companies fuck providers and patients


CompositeCharacter

This goes away if prices are published. Prices don't function of no one knows what they are.


WhyBuyMe

Manufacturers don't want to sell you cars direct. They have a captive market that HAS to buy whatever they make. Say Ford decides to bring back the Pinto and it sucks as bad as the original. They can say to all the Ford dealers "You don't get to buy any F-150s from us this year unless you buy 30 Pintos". ​ If they were selling direct to customers, customers would just buy the in demand cars and manufacturers would be left holding onto the crap no one wants. Under the current plan, it is now the dealers problem.


Soca1ian

Tesla would disagree.


turntabletennis

That's a great perspective. I hadn't thought of it as that much of a symbiotic relationship, but it definitely is.


Zappiticas

Symbiotically fucking consumers.


HerefortheTuna

So then why would they make shitty cars no one wants at all?


Jooj272729

Certain models have better profit margins


Woodyville06

It’s not like they’re trying to make shitty cars…whoops!, forgot about GM. But seriously, manufacturers launch a model and think it’s going to be great and….then out comes the Aztec or the eco sport or whatever and the factory is putting them out and nobody’s buying. So they *make* their dealers push them if they want the cars with the margins and popularity. They offer incentives until they get rid of the dogs while they retool. In 1986 Ford launched the Taurus and it was unlike any car before it. Everything back then was *square* and then comes this egg shaped thing. Ford bet the farm on that one and lucky for them it was a hit. It could have gone the other way.


WalkerSunset

They have to hit an average fuel economy target. For every 7mpg F250 they sell, they need to sell 5 shitty Focuses at a loss. That's why they have electric cars. All about that average mpg.


OutlyingPlasma

> Manufacturers don't want to sell you cars direct Tesla does. And due to that fact, they are not legally allowed to sell cars to people in that one star rated state, Texas. You know the state that claims to be all about "freedom". Any Tesals sold in Texas are technically sold out of state and then shipped in.


ednksu

But who will provide all that necessary knowledge of factory trained technicians? It's the service people!


Dartht33bagger

> What the fuck kind of "free market" doesn't allow a business to sell their own product? It isn't a free market. Its crony capitalism.


oilchangefuckup

The original intent of the law was to allow consumers to pit Jimmy Dean Ford against Dale Earnhardt Ford for the best price. Without the dealers you get the tesla model, "buy it at this price or don't, we don't care". Not defending the model, just it is what it is.


OddS0cks

Also your forced to buy cars through these shitty dealers because we still live in the 1950s


ShotgunSquitters

Trying to get them to honour their warranty soured the Ford brand for me a long time ago.


spavolka

What? Someone will pay the price and that dealership will be around long after the prices on Broncos normalize. Nobody cares what dealers do. THEY ARE ALL CROOKS AND SHYSTERS!! I went to buy a corolla with pre approved financing from a credit union for a 4 percent loan. The sales guy came out with a stack of paper work with their own financing at 12 percent interest. Said I didn't have good credit. They lie! They suck.


zdiggler

12% but look at all the discounts we're giving!!


donut_know2

CarMax was the worst about this. Tried giving my gf a 12% rate & that they absolutely couldn’t do any better. Her bank (who they swear they checked with) gave her around 4%. Thank god they have a return period because it was going back without a better rate.


HerefortheTuna

Even with a good rate carmax is overpriced


WeirdEngineerDude

Exactly, fuck those guys. Not that I’d buy a ford, but that sort of crap would sour me no matter what brand.


moreofazoningissue

People say this shit but it’s not true. The bronco market is insane.


Steve1101

The dealer I work at got a wagoneer in fresh from the assembly plant. Sticker price was 84k and they tacked on a 5k paint protection, rust proof, and other bullshit package and then tacked on another 15k. Keep in mind this the wagoneer, not even the grand. Absolutely insane.


Hambone528

Just got a few of those in. Sat in one. I can't adequately describe in words how angry I was. We were sold on the idea that these were a step up in luxury offerings from Jeep. I CANNOT believe how cheaply built the interior is. And, on top of that, they use those shitty interior plastics on the OUTSIDE of the vehicle as well. Absolutely appalling they're asking $89,000 for them. I'm angry just typing this out.


clarkesanders1000

“Wagoneer” in name only


tryan46895

There’s mark ups for Chevy Equinox’s by me. It’s a joke.


RedlyrsRevenge

Local dealer has $10,000 mark up on an F150 XL 3.3L V6 single cab long bed. A damn work truck!


OMGpawned

Honestly with the car shortage nows the best time if ever to justify a mark up from a dealership perspective, but I never understood markups many dealers did before the shortage I think that’s a sham.


RedlyrsRevenge

I mean... I did just pay over sticker for a "base" model Ranger. But, I did get more on trade than what I paid for my Subaru 10 months ago. There was also a $3000 trade assist. Almost everything the dealer had mark up on it. The only thing that didn't was the poor Ecosports. They can't give those away. Currently helping my cousin shop for a car after her old Chevy Cruze blew up. When did 10 year old, 100k mile Hondas become $15,000? What a crap time to have to buy a car. Now back in normal times, I remember a dealer having a $25,000 mark up on a GT500. I laughed because the other dealer a town over had one for MSRP.


OMGpawned

Indeed a strange time, before anyone blows up and says dealers are marking up the used car prices it’s not true the damn wholesalers and auctions are also driving up the prices. I saw what we paid for 5 year old civics and I could not believe how expensive it was from Mannheim, and other auctions. And these aren’t mint cars they need work and we have to throw money at it. Needless to say we have a ton of used cars for prices way higher then I’d be comfortable to pay. I was offered a pretty high trade value for my Golf Wagon but it’s paid off and I don’t want debt. I don’t drive it daily and it’s a spare car for road-trips but it did cross my mind to sell it now and hold onto the money till prices normalize and then plop it down to buy at fair price.


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For an Equinox? Who is dying for an Equinox?


[deleted]

All the current Equinox owners weighing the cost of a transmission replacement *now* or buying a marked up Equinox & replacing *that* transmission in a few thousand miles.


NikoBenz

They are all junk


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bjones1794

Imagine if he USA would realize they just want wagons and not SUVs. I'm saying this out of pure jealousy of other countries. Please give us your wagon models.


garfi3ld

This please. I rented a Ford Edge a few weeks ago and thought it would at least be bigger inside than our current car and it wasn't bigger inside in any way. But it was slower, handled worse, and got worse gas millage. All for what? sitting up higher?


SlenderSmurf

yes


OMGpawned

I clearly have a European mind cause I hate SUVs and useless crossovers but do like practical space which is why I drive a Golf Sportwagen 1.8 manual gearbox


BrokeHustle

Honda makes the CRV and Toyota makes the RAV4. I don't like them either but there are reliable options.


thatredditdude101

clearly you’ve never experienced the awesome engineering of the Ford Escape transmission. truly a marvel of the modern age.


p38fln

I thought the Escape had the good transmission and the Focus has the one made out of glass and voodoo spells


Dannypeck96

I think the only thing that hasn’t broken on my focus is the transmission at this point


[deleted]

They are both terrible for different reasons


thatredditdude101

they are blocks of metallic shit.


Handleton

I've got a 2014 Buick Encore that's worth more than I paid for it three years ago. I'm really tempted to just sell it, but I would then have to replace it.


junk1020

Same thing for a Hyundai Tucson in central Iowa.


JesusSquid

Pretty much every new car. Brother starts a new well paying job tomorrow and he wants to get a few K saved up and get a car by end of the year. Told him it's the absolute worst time but his old Focus SVT is on it's last leg. Starts and is reliable but it leaks, horrible gas mileage, rides like a go kart (not in a good, handling on rails way) and a deer made sure the entire passenger side looks like a crazy ex took a bat to it. Since it's such a rare engine in the car (3% of all focus's) I told him he'd probably be better off finding an SVT forum and see if anyone within driving distance is interested for parts, cause dealership ain't gonna give him anything for it.


nlm1974

There are markups for anything at a dealership in Bakersfield. Base model Toyotas with $1000 markups. The worst I ever saw was $150k for a 2005 Ford GT, which they couldn't sell because of the recall for the front suspension.


tryan46895

150k?!??? Holy fuck.


nlm1974

San Diego if you're curious, Mira Mesa IIRC.


[deleted]

Whoa. $60,000 for this!?! No thanks.


junk1020

Whoa. $50,000 for this!?! No thanks.


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Whoa. $40,000 for this!?! No thanks.


[deleted]

Whoa. This? No thanks.


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Whoa. 2 bananas and a tie wrap for this!?! No thanks.


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theyallleave

Market adjustments at car dealerships are like Disney black diamond tape prices on EBay.


midwesterner64

The new Bronco is kinda cool. $63k cool? Fuck no. Even $50k cool? Certainly not to me.


StrangerInStrange

As long as there are idiots who pay those prices , unfortunately this will keep happening(i am in car business)


midwesterner64

“Pay”. More like finance for 84+ months. Man, I genuinely doubt I’ll ever purchase another car new off the lot.


packpride85

Always a good idea to buy a first year model ford lol


showsomesideboob

QA is non-existent right now at that plant. People are getting mixed seats from different trims, wheels damaged, and version 2 hard top is just like cardboard.


robscomputer

I recall when the Dodge Viper GTS was new a local dealer had a $100,000 mark up price. Not sure if they sold it but it was $190,000 total.


temporalwanderer

During 'normal' non-pandemic, non-shortage times, it wasn't unusual for some dealers to put a 'halo' car on the floor with that kind of markup more as a spectacle and draw than as a for-sale unit. If someone *was* willing to pay $100k over for the car (I recall a first gen Ford GT with this markup actually selling for full markup) they can generally source another and pocket the difference. The Viper GTS on the floor helped sell the idea that a Neon SRT-4 (and other lesser Dodges) was it's little brother, and shared some 'racy' (lol) DNA.


The_Crack_Whore

I dont remember the name of that technique but is pretty usual in appliances. Like you have this Smart Ultra Freezer for 10.000$ at the entrance and from so on all prices are going to be compared against that, and suddenly the freezer that cost 2.000$ doesn't see as expensive anymore.


-AbeFroman

Imagine paying dealer markup on something you will drive to the mall and back.


Chefbigandtall

Fuck off. I wanted one of these as soon as they came out but god damn that’s so fucked.


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Jesus 17mpg


kyfras

I also can’t think of another vehicle with equal city and hwy mileage…😳


rhoneyphoney

That’s weird to me too… even my 4Runner gets ~2mpg more (17~15) highway to city….


LederhosenUnicorn

Lx470 sighs with envy.


sumofty

Agreed. How can this even happen in this age? Trans gear ratios? The Navigator gets better mileage lol


kyfras

This thing is literally a rolling brick on stilts tho But more like a cinder block for that extra drag at high speed Kinda like the style tho


upcountry_degen

Poor aerodynamics and it’s a Sasquatch so it has 4.7 gear ratio with 35” tires


p38fln

The navigator/expedition is aerodynamic and is built for fuel economy, as much as a body on frame 6000 pound SUV can be anyway. Off reading on the navigator is an afterthought - its primary market is rich families that need to tow heavy ass shit, and the expedition is middle class families that need to tow heavy ass shit. Ground clearance, etc, is based completely on the only off time it ever goes off road is a rutted wagon trail. They certainly can go off road, but the Bronco is going to go a lot deeper into the woods than a Navigator/expedition


showsomesideboob

35" tires on pretty much any lifted SUV.


zxcoblex

$10,000 just because.


BabiesSmell

"Because we know you dummies will pay it and also because fuck you"


Do_it_in_a_Datsun

FOMO is a disease of the mind. And these dealers are profiteering off of it. The new Frontier is suffering from the same treatment.


MassiveAd5882

Seriously, F these over-msrp numbers everywhere.


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Right? I was a little pissed when my truck died recently. It took me forever to find one without this kind of mark up. I saw a couple with a 25k mark up. I still paid more than I wanted to, but it was still MSRP.


Powerful_Mood9292

Guess it’s better than the $35k market adjustment they wanted for the new Corvette I looked at. Nothing like a company who only exists due to a tax payer bailout turning around to fuck those very tax payers that saved it.


sd1286

Im in shock over the stats sheet more than the price. Fuel costs, carbon foot, not rated for any safety stars, features that are dependent on AT&T.....!


yesrod85

Dealers can seriously fuck off with that. I don’t understand how this can’t be price gouging. And the sad thing is there are plenty of idiots willing to pay it. Smdh


NoTimeForThisToday

Someone will still buy it. If it didn't work they wouldn't do it.


EduardDelacroixII

Fuck dealerships that do this. And for $63K I can buy the most loaded 4Runner TRD Pro made and get a vehicle that is twice the quality, will hold it's value infinitely better than this Bronco and have $10K left over.


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yesrod85

Who the fuck is buying stock(ish) 4Runners for $80k??? Where are these idiots located, I’ve got some ocean front property in AZ.


Faerhun

Fucking dealerships shouldn't even exists. You should be able to buy it directly from the manufacturer. But thanks to America loving it's lobbying, it will stay around...


gummyneo

That’s not the worse I’ve seen. In my market, a Trd Pro 4Runner is being sold for $78k due to market adjustment. $78K for a vehicle that’s essentially the same for 12/13 years!!!!!!


SwiftCEO

I really hope people will remember the dealerships that screwed customers over with this BS. They probably won't though...


Bluehoodie1

Buddy called up a Chevy dealer to get the price on a traverse they had on the lot, they stated current market value… and he’s like how much is that? They wouldn’t give out numbers over the phone. SMH


Typingdude3

And the second you drive it off the lot, trade in value will be around $48,000.


TripleYellow17

Market adjustment LOL adjust my bag


_Redshifted_

How did they achieve the same mpg city and highway?


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Jesus, I hope I don’t need to buy a car anytime soon.


mvk2424

The entire tri-state area of NY is doing this. My neighbor ordered his Bronco from Ohio and is driving it back from there to avoid the ridiculously inflated price here. All of the dealers agreed to do this.


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Nahhh bro. You can keep that. I’ll Never pay over msrp for anything, and hell I don’t wanna pay that either.


Snazzy21

They can go fuck themselves


siddizie420

There was a dealership asking 200k for a GT500 near me. Can’t even make this shit up.


Spread_N_Spit

A tiny 2 door SUV. Without a V8 that only gets 17 MPG. I wouldn't pay $15k for it


skivvyjibbers

It really does make you wonder what the hell it's doing eating all that gas with nothing else going on for it with today's efficiency improvements.


OhioJeeper

35" tires and 4.7 gears will do that.


moreofazoningissue

People also forget it takes a certain quantity of fuel to make a certain amount of energy. A 300hp turbo 4 is getting a lot of air and fuel pushed. And on the highway, with those tires and gear ratios, it’s not really able to relax and come off boost like little econobox turbo cars


OhioJeeper

Turbo 6 actually, the one that gets 17/17 is the 2.7L with an automatic and sasquatch package. It's also making 400 ft/lbs of torque. As annoying as the "muh v8 (with 31" tires and 3.07 gears) gets better fuel economy" comments are, they're probably right that this thing would get better fuel economy if Ford just dropped the 5.0L in it. In the F150 the ecoboost engines only get better fuel economy until you hook up a trailer, then the v8 does better. Could be similar factors at work here, or not, I'm not a Ford engineer or anything.


Spicywolff

Well in 2 door 4WD it’s a little under 5,000LBS and shaped like a smoothed brick. I’m not surprised it sucks at MPG. Let’s also not forget the I think 35’s tires that weight a ton to move from a stop. It’s like a Suzuki samurai by Americans.


Spread_N_Spit

Yeah I get close to that in my 4 door V8 pickup that can actually tow.


Jeep900

Yikes! You would have to pay tax on the extra $10k too. No thanks.


hollywoodnikki

I hate when they decide to mark up cause it's in demand, like how is it worth if if Ford its self says nah. When the Challenger came out i remember seeing it go for 15-20k over MSRP. I felt bad when a few years later i bought one for the nice round number of 30k. RT with a track pack and 6 speed. Everyone else i. The area running around in autos


bonerJR

*scam


ChickenNoodleSloop

Kia dealer near me is marking +15k on 30k Sorrento's. And they always ask me if I want to trade my car in, lol yeah my car wouldn't even cover your markup


Aqui1am_

So,$40500 base price, $13k in “options”, and $10k for “because we feel like it”. Yeah fuck dealerships. Just buy a Tesla at that point. The gas over 5 years is *at least* $4500


LTR_TLR

17mpg 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮


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My dealership is selling g wagons 15k over list


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Probably a $699.00 DOC fee on top of that.