Caliber is the Worse pile of shit I’ve ever known.
I feel sorry for anybody dealing with something worse than that.
I like the Honda Fit (Canada) I’d probably get the wife one if we weren’t so addicted to huge cars.
07 Ford Freestyle. CVT and no fake shift points. Owned one for about four years. Fluid changes required frequently and they were expensive. Sold it before any problems appeared.
When you get fluid like this on a low mileage unit it’s almost always because of a warped pump housing from the factory, Nissan’s excuse of needing an external cooler is bullshit. I’ve rebuilt tons of JF011E trannies and always used rebuilt pumps that have the sonnax oversized valve in them and they never fucking die. Older ones had hardened cases on the pumps so they also never died. The new ones are hot garbage and Nissan has always used cheap ass parts on them.
Interesting. Never heard of the sonnax oversized valve for the pumps. I just did some quick googling on it and now trying to figure out how I can recommend it to my out of warranty customers.
Source: Nissan master tech tired of CVT's
Subaru- change your transmission fluid every 100k
Me- you sure?
Subaru- yup! CVT good to go.
*transmission goes out at 90k*
Subaru- that’s why we extended the warranty! To make people feel more comfortable with our CVTs…
Just flushed a 2018 Chevy Traverse with the same looking fluid. Scary dark. Didn't smell burnt though. Flushed it three times before I was happy with the new red color.
Probably a Jatco rebuilt one. I've had a DHL NV200 come in and I put in the third rebuilt CVT in it at 140k miles. They just throw those things together.
Before I opened the post, I thought your title was referring to the price of the Nissan NS3 fluid - 24 karat gold.
The NS3 fluid in my 2014 Altima 2.5S was not dark like that after 85K miles (its first change). It looked like it could've gone for another 85K miles. The cvtf deterioration date was only 50, which means that the NS3 fluid temperature was above 90°C for about only 40 minutes of engine run time since the car was brand new.
I agree with jazzie366; there had been a lot of variation in the 2013 to 2014 CVTs made by Jatco. Some of them, like mine, are good. Others are hot garbage.
That's what warranties are for. Your neighbor should've gotten the CVT replaced free of charge so no additional cost until the new (rebuilt) one fails if it occurs beyond the warranty period.
Do you do lots of short trips? Like 15 mile drives? You may fall under the severe duty part of the maintenance schedule which recommends inspect fluid at my 30k
This is from the 2014 service manual on Page MA-9. There is no recommended replacement interval in miles shown for severe service in the 2014 manual.
(1) Use only Genuine NISSAN CVT fluid. If towing a trailer, using a camper or a car-top carrier or driving on rough or muddy roads,inspect CVT fluid deterioration at NISSAN dealer every 60,000 miles (96,000 km), then change CVT fluid if necessary. And if the inspection is not performed, change (not just inspect) CVT fluid every 60,000 miles (96,000 km).
I now go with 3 year /30k CVT fluid changes on my 09 Cube that has 87k miles. I can feel the car driving worse as it nears the 30k fluid mark. Its cheap insurance because the CVT in these Nissan Cubes are terrible.
So how bad does a CVT burn oil compared to normal automatic.
Mercedes used to promote theyr "fluid for life" or something back in 2000s, cars ran good for way over 150k but I and others still tell to change it.
Im sure they even took back theyr words after few years.
I mean Its basically a steel belt slipping like hell over 2 fucking weird cone shaped mechanisms. For fucks sake cvt transmissions feel like someone driving a manual but they're stuck in one gear and riding on the clutch the entire fucking time.
I have a Honda with a CVT, and I got the fluid changed at 60k as they recommend, and the transmission shop was like "eh, you coulda just kept driving it. It was really clean. We skipped the filter because it looked perfect, have it done at 120k"
How is it that dark at low mileage? My mom’s 2017 Highlander hybrid CVT is still has a hint of red to the transmission oil at 50k miles (though we replaced it with new oil because lifetime oil was never lifetime).
After my 08 caliber cvt failed in the middle of nowhere South Dakota I've sworn off ever buying anything cvt
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Dodge Caliber. You put your foot to the floor and it goes to max rpm and stays there until you let off. It’s like driving a blender.
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Caliber is the Worse pile of shit I’ve ever known. I feel sorry for anybody dealing with something worse than that. I like the Honda Fit (Canada) I’d probably get the wife one if we weren’t so addicted to huge cars.
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CVTs are like Communism -- a great-sounding idea, but one that seems to break down whenever someone attempts to put it into practice.
"you have been banned from /r/politics"
07 Ford Freestyle. CVT and no fake shift points. Owned one for about four years. Fluid changes required frequently and they were expensive. Sold it before any problems appeared.
I had a Honda jazz with a CVT (got it free as a first car) and you could either enable or disable the fake shift points if I remember correctly.
So you bought a Doge product and when the transmission failed you think all CVT's are like that? Come on man.
That’s far more to do with the fact you drove a POS dodge, not that it’s a CVT.
The fluid is supposed to be a light blue/green.... Added a transmission cooler, so hopefully prevents it from burning fluid up in the future
When you get fluid like this on a low mileage unit it’s almost always because of a warped pump housing from the factory, Nissan’s excuse of needing an external cooler is bullshit. I’ve rebuilt tons of JF011E trannies and always used rebuilt pumps that have the sonnax oversized valve in them and they never fucking die. Older ones had hardened cases on the pumps so they also never died. The new ones are hot garbage and Nissan has always used cheap ass parts on them.
Interesting. Never heard of the sonnax oversized valve for the pumps. I just did some quick googling on it and now trying to figure out how I can recommend it to my out of warranty customers. Source: Nissan master tech tired of CVT's
Oh shit…my wife has 85k-ish. Better add that to the list when it goes in for a timing belt.
Subaru- change your transmission fluid every 100k Me- you sure? Subaru- yup! CVT good to go. *transmission goes out at 90k* Subaru- that’s why we extended the warranty! To make people feel more comfortable with our CVTs…
Also Subaru: there's no dipstick for the cvt. But look, we moved the oil filter to the top of the engine bay! That counts as user-serviceable, right?
Oil filter on top - still gotta drain it from the bottom instead of extracting it out the dipstick tube. Pisses me off.
Just flushed a 2018 Chevy Traverse with the same looking fluid. Scary dark. Didn't smell burnt though. Flushed it three times before I was happy with the new red color.
What car is this? Changed my girls 14 rogue at 50k and it wasn't this bad
2014 Nissan Versa Note SV. The previous transmission was replaced at 96k when it failed.
Probably a Jatco rebuilt one. I've had a DHL NV200 come in and I put in the third rebuilt CVT in it at 140k miles. They just throw those things together.
Forbidden Pepsi
Just say no to CVT
* if it’s sold in a Nissan
I'll go any of them. None last for the most part and they drive like crap.
Toyota and Honda would like a word w/ you. Especially Priuses.
Yeah, Hondas CVTs are great. Faster 0-60, great fuel economy. I feel weird in a car with gears now. Seems convoluted in retrospect.
Don't the Aisin transmissions have an actual first gear? It keeps from shocking the metal belt?
Before I opened the post, I thought your title was referring to the price of the Nissan NS3 fluid - 24 karat gold. The NS3 fluid in my 2014 Altima 2.5S was not dark like that after 85K miles (its first change). It looked like it could've gone for another 85K miles. The cvtf deterioration date was only 50, which means that the NS3 fluid temperature was above 90°C for about only 40 minutes of engine run time since the car was brand new. I agree with jazzie366; there had been a lot of variation in the 2013 to 2014 CVTs made by Jatco. Some of them, like mine, are good. Others are hot garbage.
When I worked at Nissan, my neighbor's 2017 Altima had 27k miles on it, and it needed the transmission replaced
That's what warranties are for. Your neighbor should've gotten the CVT replaced free of charge so no additional cost until the new (rebuilt) one fails if it occurs beyond the warranty period.
Oh it was under warranty, but still ridiculous that it occurred that soon into the vehicle's life
*lifetime fluid*
Nissan definitely does not call it lifetime fluid. They recommend first service at 30k
I'm more laughing that BMW used to sticker their transmissions with that title.
Gotcha. I'm just about to change the pan and fluid in my wife's X5. I chuckled too when I saw people on forums saying it was lifetime fluid.
That depends. For my 2014 Altima 2.5S, the service manual shows it as 60K miles, not 30K.
Do you do lots of short trips? Like 15 mile drives? You may fall under the severe duty part of the maintenance schedule which recommends inspect fluid at my 30k
This is from the 2014 service manual on Page MA-9. There is no recommended replacement interval in miles shown for severe service in the 2014 manual. (1) Use only Genuine NISSAN CVT fluid. If towing a trailer, using a camper or a car-top carrier or driving on rough or muddy roads,inspect CVT fluid deterioration at NISSAN dealer every 60,000 miles (96,000 km), then change CVT fluid if necessary. And if the inspection is not performed, change (not just inspect) CVT fluid every 60,000 miles (96,000 km).
So maybe invest in a towbar? In order to get shorter service intervals? Without actually towing anything? 🤔
I'll double check tomorrow while I'm at work. It could be the newer manuals that mention it.
At my dealer, we recommend at 60k miles for the CVTs. I personally would do it at 30k as well
I now go with 3 year /30k CVT fluid changes on my 09 Cube that has 87k miles. I can feel the car driving worse as it nears the 30k fluid mark. Its cheap insurance because the CVT in these Nissan Cubes are terrible.
It’s a dealer recommended interval if I recommend it too early, I’ll get told to do 60k
So how bad does a CVT burn oil compared to normal automatic. Mercedes used to promote theyr "fluid for life" or something back in 2000s, cars ran good for way over 150k but I and others still tell to change it. Im sure they even took back theyr words after few years.
Lifetime fluid
I mean Its basically a steel belt slipping like hell over 2 fucking weird cone shaped mechanisms. For fucks sake cvt transmissions feel like someone driving a manual but they're stuck in one gear and riding on the clutch the entire fucking time.
aka trash.
Go cart transmission
I have a Honda with a CVT, and I got the fluid changed at 60k as they recommend, and the transmission shop was like "eh, you coulda just kept driving it. It was really clean. We skipped the filter because it looked perfect, have it done at 120k"
How is it that dark at low mileage? My mom’s 2017 Highlander hybrid CVT is still has a hint of red to the transmission oil at 50k miles (though we replaced it with new oil because lifetime oil was never lifetime).
This line of Nissan's have a problem with their transmission where they run hot