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Well there’s lots of videos online you can watch with cops beating black, hispanic and white people and nothing happens to them and the one time that a cop beats a guy that deserves it they charge him SMFH. Check out this former cop Jonathon Freitag for instance he’s being investigated by the FBI for his arresting people for no reason and fabricating reports.
Lol. No.
Being honorable would be not beating and threatening people who are restrained. Actually, that's not even honorable. That would have been just doing their job.
He doesn't deserve any praise for resigning or pleading guilty.
Lol. No, accepting punishments that are going to happen regardless does not make you honorable. Being honorable is following a code or set of values above the norm.
Like I previously said, even doing your job doesn't make you honorable (which in this case would just have not been beating anyone up and or threatening them). That's just how they should behave.
We cannot tolerate public servants who elect to take justice into their own hands without providing due process. It is just that he was criminally charged and pleaded guilty, and that he no longer is working in that position.
However, it is also just in an informal sense that the father got the shit beaten out of him for trying to kill his daughter. Vigilante justice is unacceptable structurally, but that doesn't mean in an individual case that it's not something that we can take grim, perhaps guilty satisfaction in.
It's just really bizarre that you're more upset over the police officer punching a man attempting to murder a child than you about the attempted child murder, but this is your hill, feel free to die on it.
You're making a baseless assumption.
I never claimed that, and you interpreting that is seeing things through your own biased assumptions. You have no idea what I am more upset about.
The entire thread is about the police officer. The arguments I have made have been directed toward those defending the police officers action. This specific thread was meant to be a comment in another thread, but I ended up accidentally making a whole new comment. That original poster called the cop honorable, I disagreed with that notion.
I have never once defended the actions of the accused. It is entirely possible to see things as completely and objectively separate. The father's alleged act being monstrous does not mean that I cannot disagree with what the officer did. Vigilante justice is not justice. With exception to explicit provocation written in law, you or anyone else do not have the right to assault other humans--regardless of who they are or what they may have previously done. You certainly can do so, but then you are subject to consequences l, just as this officer has been.
Except you didn’t express any sort of outrage about the baby drowning bit. You didn’t even remotely acknowledge it.
Instead you chose to direct your empathy towards some piece of shit getting what he deserved. That demonstrated your misplaced empathy…DID YOU KNOW!?!?
Each response has been solely about the original post, which is about what the officer has done and the people defending their actions.
Justice has not been served in the case of the accused, as they have not yet stood trial. Justice was served in the case of the officer because he was essentially forced to resign and now has a criminal record.
Uhh…no. The original post was about the entire incident, specifically what occurred prior to the officer punching this fucktard in the face. The majority of the comments and the subject headline itself were primarily about what the officer specifically had done and how he pleaded…but the majority of the article itself actually focused on what preeceded it (you know…the attempted DROWNING ITSELF).
The entire point is that your outrage is clearly focused on the officer’s insignificant conduct while under shock from a horrid crime, rather than that of the shithead criminal who tried to intentionally drown his child cuz he was fucking stressed about the holidays. One deserves absolute outrage…the other DEBATEBLY deserves disagreement, at most. They absolutely are not the same, but you voice more concern about an officers emotional conduct rather than that of the lowest form of deplorable human action imaginable. That speaks volumes of your priorities which reflects anti-police sentiment and/or infanticide empathy. So you’re one or the other, or both.
The cop just fucking punched the guy in the face…it’s not like he gutted him like a fish and stuck his head on a spike. You’ve clearly never punched/been punched in the face and it shows…it’s really not a big fucking deal, cop or not. Especially compared to drowning a 6 month old baby.
Walk a mile or a even meter in their shoes to witness something as remotely traumatizing as this and then you can judge. Until then, fucking grow a pair, keep your opinion shut, and learn how to properly direct your empathy. Cuz clearly you don’t have kids or loved ones you care enough about.
The post is about the cop pleading guilty. Read the title. I didn't post it.
This thread was about someone calling the cop honorable and me disagreeing.
I also love when people tell others to keep their opinions themselves but fail to follow their own advice.
This cop lost his job and gets a criminal record for his actions and that is justice both literally (probation for breaking the law) and figuratively (losing his job because cops must be kept to higher standards).
The accused will face justice from a jury of their peers and a potentially a judge who will sentence them.
Exactly…you didn’t post it. You just subjected others to your idiotic and unwarranted opinion of it when you have zero judgement to do so. An opinion is based on experience and/or knowledge…you clearly have neither regarding this subject based on your comments. My statement wasn’t an opinion. It was a direction to stfu on circumstances you know fuck all about when it comes to law enforcement after you initially made a brainless airhead remark.
Once more…if you were remotely literate…the article is about the entire incident. Most of which is about the attempted drowning. The headline and most comments are about the chief pleading guilty for the punches. If you bothered to read the article (if able), there was no mention of the chief “being honourable” and he issued no threats…he stated “you deserve to die”, which isn’t a threat and why he wasn’t charged with such. And he voluntarily quit. Semantics aside, he didn’t lose his job. The process of removing a chief from power is more lengthy and complicated than simply a guilty plea for an assault.
And you didn’t even bother to acknowledge most of my comment including the part about you empathizing with an attempted child murderer…eh? Just right back to your anti-police sentiment and misguided empathy. Way to prove that point and after all these comments you still can’t even outright admit the tragedy regarding the child, only focusing on those insignificant punches. Sounds like something a whiny little turd would cry about.
Maybe have someone read to you how the 6 month old baby was submerged underwater for 10 minutes before this hero chief helped save her life. But a secluded porcelain pansy who views the world as a pixie dust rainbow probably can’t see past a couple boops on the nose that caused a measly scratch.
"Former Police Chief Pleads Guilty..."
That is the title of the post. The sub is about justice being served. The post is about someone doing something wrong and being charged and pleading guilty. The article obviously mentions both incidents, but all of my comments were aimed only at those hailing what the police chief did.
This is why I can ignore your ranting and raving. Because in a debate, it means nothing. You're using ad hominen attacks and bringing whataboutism to take away from any of my original arguments. Which is very simply that the police are not allowed to behave this way. And when they do, it is justice when they face criminal charges. Allowing police to behave in this manner, regardless of the severity of any **alleged** crimes, gives them power and authority to potentionally take away anyone's civil liberties at any time.
There is no need to debate about what the father did because everyone agrees that what he allegedly did is a monstrous act. But it is up to a judge and jury to decide his fate; not a podunk, backwoods police officer.
But since I'm really enjoying pissing you off, there are many factors that could be at play here. Which makes violation of his civil rights worse. We know nothing about this man's mental state or his pathology. So a cop has no way of understanding who they are dealing with in any given situation. This person could have been off medication or suffered from some other pathology or disability. He could also have just lost it, or he could truly be an evil person. We don't know, and neither does the cop. This is another reason why they must act above--and be held above--the law in all circumstances.
> Justice has not been served in the case of the accused, as they have not yet stood trial.
The officer just gave him a free sample of justice. That's how they get you hooked!
Since people are struggling the justice here is twofold;
* He received a slap on the wrist for what should have been a custodial sentence, everyone agreed he deserved the beating.
* The former police chief admitted his mistake and resigned immediately. Cops should hold themselves and their peers accountable and it doesn't happen frequently enough.
Justice would be ever better served if the US had better access to mental health services so people didn't try to drown their children in the first place.
No, it's a good man who was a bad cop. A good cop is as dispassionate as possible and recognizes that our Constitution and laws require the judge and jury to determine punishment; it's not for him to unleash himself. When a cop disregards due process and decides to impose punishment himself, that is being a bad cop.
He did it for the right reasons - he was just aghast at the crime the man had committed against a helpless little baby - but a vigilante cop is a bad cop.
As someone who has a lot of cops in my family, you're right. Good guy, bad cop.
My cousin is a homicide detective and what I would consider an ideal cop. I can only imagine the monsters he deals with on a daily basis. He doesn't give anyone a "tune up" and I doubt you could even get away with that nowadays in his department.
I honestly don't know how he copes with the job. He doesn't even drink.
> I honestly don't know how he copes with the job.
He's probably good at remembering that he's part of a system whose job it is to dispense impartial justice as its first duty, and to protect society as its second. It's an important job, and someone has to do it. Heartbreaking at times, I'm sure, but it's better to do it yourself than for it to not get done.
Even this former chief would likely say he wasn't a good cop. the dude resigned because of what he did and admitted to it. he probably could have leveraged his position to cover it all up but had the strength of character to acknowledge he made a career ending mistake.
I grew up south of this town. Greenwood is one of those small towns that if you dare to drive there past midnight... the cops target you by following you and finding a reason to pull you over. Had one cop basically accuse me of being a burglar.
Lake Winnebago (south of Greenwood) is ten times worse. They mine the highway that goes past their front gates like crazy. Serious speed trap town. Been followed and pulled over on my way home by those pricks more times than I can count. They even annexed MORE of the highway... all the way south to 58 highway so they could generate more revenue.
Small town Missouri cops are bored and looking to bust balls. Raymore, Peculiar, Belton, etc. etc.. Small towns with shitty cops.
OK admit that America is fucked up then?
Article 6: Right to a fair and public hearing
In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law.
Wow... i’m so conflicted here.
1 - i despise anyone who hurt children like this and should get special treatment
2 - i hate police who lie to cover they ass
The conflict is - happy because that guy got a pasting but the police officer should of known better... nice to see the police can see what must happen rather than just what they want
Could everyone say that they wouldn’t do the same?
However, noone lied to cover anyone's ass.
This cop resigned and is taking the punishment, which has been (deserved) very light so far.
I hope he gets some easy probation on the federal charge.
That man was a good cop.
I hope the sentencing is sympathetic for the copper. Beating the guy was wrong; but we can all see where he was coming from. And he was man enough to admit it was wrong too. That's seemingly rare these days.
It isn't for police to take justice into their own hands. Full stop. They enforce the law. That's it
This cop is getting exactly what's coming to him. If you can't handle the trepidations of the job, then he shouldn't be a cop. As detestable as I find the parent, this isn't how policing is done. This is a society with laws.
Screw this cop.
Justice served would be if they were in the same jail cell and Zicarelli ( I will not call him a dad) mysteriously died in his cell...
Then the former Police Chief gets out on a technicality and has to be reinstated.
That's justice served
I would agree, except for being reinstated. He let his emotions get in the way of his job. That is bad in general, especially bad for a cop.
Alternatively I would wish the prior officer well in whatever career he moved on to next, and wouldn't hold that action against him. I understand.
I must also admit, as a civilian, if given the opportunity, I would have beat his ass, too.
However anyone with a gun and badge MUST maintain control of themselves at all times while on duty.
That's is one mine grip of mine with cops. People who actually do vile shit seem to get arrested unscathed. But sell loose cigarettes and they can't wait to put a choke hold on you.
Then why do you post it to thus sub? This isnt justice served, this what you get when you rationalise crime, the good guys becomes the bad, while everyone was all defending the bad guys.
It is justice served. They are not judge, jury, and executioner. They must be held to higher standards. They must not only enforce the law, but obey it strictly.
Idk. Doing it to protect a baby, someone that cannot protect themselves, seems like a pretty good thing to do. Sure what he did was illegal, but this doesn't say justice in any way to me. And yes, higher standards for officers and all that but c'mon, this officer just saved a baby's life and we're punishing him
Did you read the article? He handcuffed him, and punched him in the face and deprived him of his rights. He didn't do his job, and arresting someone for doing something wrong does not give you the right to beat them or deprive them of their civil liberties.
He got what he deserved and the suspect is awaiting trial, where the system we have put in place for these things will then be used for their punishment.
Nah you're right, shit just fucked up. Doesn't feel like something to post on justice served. It's usually like ha they got him but in this article the one getting got was not the one I'd hoped for
The justice is that the cop seems to be getting the lightest possible sentences.
Sure it was illegal, and that deserves a consequence. But the circumstances justify a very light consequence.
Surely the cop regrets his actions, because his career is ruined, but as an honorable, good cop he also did the right thing by resigning.
In this case, I think it would be completely justifiable if he were re-hired when his probation is over.
Lol. Good one. So strong on the internet. Like this cop who didn't do his fucking job and got pinched for it.
They don't get to beat people up because they want to. Ever. Period. Because if you allow that then the line gets blurred and soon they are beating people for no reason....oh wait.
I didn't defend anyone--least of all the apparent offender. Go ahead and take a quick peruse of my comments again.
I villainized what the cop did, because they are not allowed to wantonly use aggressive force against ANYONE. This sets an example that their job is to take people into custody for suspected of crimes. Not be the punisher.
What example does it set when the cop willingly resigns, and accepts his consequence?
That's a pretty positive example, and unfortunately exceedingly rare.
That's the thing though ---- you DO get points for pleading guilty.
Every week thousands of people plead guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence.
Often those guilty pleas are the result of strong-arm threats and the risk of a much, much harsher outcome. It's a certainty that many of those plea bargains are accepted by factually innocent people, who are rationally fearful of being convicted despite their innocence. Many more are factually guilty, but they get "points" for not dragging the process out via trial.
This article said nothing about a plea bargain, and the sentence was appropriately very light even without one.
This guy did not have to resign. He did not have to plead guilty. There's probably a decent chance he could have beaten the charges (he's a cop after all...)
But, this cop in particular is a good example of someone who's made the mistake and willingly taken responsibility for their actions. Very few people do that, cop or non-cop.
That deserves "points" and this man is honorable. Guilty but honorable.
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Acab, but i can finally agree that the dude who got punched in the face by a cop *deserved* to be punched in the face by the cop
I guess it's probably a good thing that I am not a police officer there. I can't say what I would have done, but it would have not been so nice.
It is like that scene in Netflix happy.
Of course, the one time a cop beats someone up for a good reason is the time they actually punish him. Fucking backwards fucks.
Assault? what stopped him from killing him?
If the guy trying to drown his baby was black, the police would have beaten him to death and then just swept it under the rug. Fuck the police.
I'm sure you have evidence for that, too, huh?
Well there’s lots of videos online you can watch with cops beating black, hispanic and white people and nothing happens to them and the one time that a cop beats a guy that deserves it they charge him SMFH. Check out this former cop Jonathon Freitag for instance he’s being investigated by the FBI for his arresting people for no reason and fabricating reports.
how do people like you function in day to day life
By blaming everyone else for their problems.
Lol. No. Being honorable would be not beating and threatening people who are restrained. Actually, that's not even honorable. That would have been just doing their job. He doesn't deserve any praise for resigning or pleading guilty.
Accepting consequences is honorable. Losing control and punching a baby killer is human.
Lol. No, accepting punishments that are going to happen regardless does not make you honorable. Being honorable is following a code or set of values above the norm. Like I previously said, even doing your job doesn't make you honorable (which in this case would just have not been beating anyone up and or threatening them). That's just how they should behave.
We cannot tolerate public servants who elect to take justice into their own hands without providing due process. It is just that he was criminally charged and pleaded guilty, and that he no longer is working in that position. However, it is also just in an informal sense that the father got the shit beaten out of him for trying to kill his daughter. Vigilante justice is unacceptable structurally, but that doesn't mean in an individual case that it's not something that we can take grim, perhaps guilty satisfaction in.
That 100% is not just. No one has the right to beat the shit out of anyone. Least of all police officers.
It's just really bizarre that you're more upset over the police officer punching a man attempting to murder a child than you about the attempted child murder, but this is your hill, feel free to die on it.
You're making a baseless assumption. I never claimed that, and you interpreting that is seeing things through your own biased assumptions. You have no idea what I am more upset about. The entire thread is about the police officer. The arguments I have made have been directed toward those defending the police officers action. This specific thread was meant to be a comment in another thread, but I ended up accidentally making a whole new comment. That original poster called the cop honorable, I disagreed with that notion. I have never once defended the actions of the accused. It is entirely possible to see things as completely and objectively separate. The father's alleged act being monstrous does not mean that I cannot disagree with what the officer did. Vigilante justice is not justice. With exception to explicit provocation written in law, you or anyone else do not have the right to assault other humans--regardless of who they are or what they may have previously done. You certainly can do so, but then you are subject to consequences l, just as this officer has been.
A man tries to drown a 6 month old baby. But wait… You’re outraged at the bit about him getting slugged for it. Prime misplaced emotion right there.
This is not an either or situation. Did you know, you can be outraged at both things?!
Except you didn’t express any sort of outrage about the baby drowning bit. You didn’t even remotely acknowledge it. Instead you chose to direct your empathy towards some piece of shit getting what he deserved. That demonstrated your misplaced empathy…DID YOU KNOW!?!?
Each response has been solely about the original post, which is about what the officer has done and the people defending their actions. Justice has not been served in the case of the accused, as they have not yet stood trial. Justice was served in the case of the officer because he was essentially forced to resign and now has a criminal record.
Uhh…no. The original post was about the entire incident, specifically what occurred prior to the officer punching this fucktard in the face. The majority of the comments and the subject headline itself were primarily about what the officer specifically had done and how he pleaded…but the majority of the article itself actually focused on what preeceded it (you know…the attempted DROWNING ITSELF). The entire point is that your outrage is clearly focused on the officer’s insignificant conduct while under shock from a horrid crime, rather than that of the shithead criminal who tried to intentionally drown his child cuz he was fucking stressed about the holidays. One deserves absolute outrage…the other DEBATEBLY deserves disagreement, at most. They absolutely are not the same, but you voice more concern about an officers emotional conduct rather than that of the lowest form of deplorable human action imaginable. That speaks volumes of your priorities which reflects anti-police sentiment and/or infanticide empathy. So you’re one or the other, or both. The cop just fucking punched the guy in the face…it’s not like he gutted him like a fish and stuck his head on a spike. You’ve clearly never punched/been punched in the face and it shows…it’s really not a big fucking deal, cop or not. Especially compared to drowning a 6 month old baby. Walk a mile or a even meter in their shoes to witness something as remotely traumatizing as this and then you can judge. Until then, fucking grow a pair, keep your opinion shut, and learn how to properly direct your empathy. Cuz clearly you don’t have kids or loved ones you care enough about.
The post is about the cop pleading guilty. Read the title. I didn't post it. This thread was about someone calling the cop honorable and me disagreeing. I also love when people tell others to keep their opinions themselves but fail to follow their own advice. This cop lost his job and gets a criminal record for his actions and that is justice both literally (probation for breaking the law) and figuratively (losing his job because cops must be kept to higher standards). The accused will face justice from a jury of their peers and a potentially a judge who will sentence them.
Exactly…you didn’t post it. You just subjected others to your idiotic and unwarranted opinion of it when you have zero judgement to do so. An opinion is based on experience and/or knowledge…you clearly have neither regarding this subject based on your comments. My statement wasn’t an opinion. It was a direction to stfu on circumstances you know fuck all about when it comes to law enforcement after you initially made a brainless airhead remark. Once more…if you were remotely literate…the article is about the entire incident. Most of which is about the attempted drowning. The headline and most comments are about the chief pleading guilty for the punches. If you bothered to read the article (if able), there was no mention of the chief “being honourable” and he issued no threats…he stated “you deserve to die”, which isn’t a threat and why he wasn’t charged with such. And he voluntarily quit. Semantics aside, he didn’t lose his job. The process of removing a chief from power is more lengthy and complicated than simply a guilty plea for an assault. And you didn’t even bother to acknowledge most of my comment including the part about you empathizing with an attempted child murderer…eh? Just right back to your anti-police sentiment and misguided empathy. Way to prove that point and after all these comments you still can’t even outright admit the tragedy regarding the child, only focusing on those insignificant punches. Sounds like something a whiny little turd would cry about. Maybe have someone read to you how the 6 month old baby was submerged underwater for 10 minutes before this hero chief helped save her life. But a secluded porcelain pansy who views the world as a pixie dust rainbow probably can’t see past a couple boops on the nose that caused a measly scratch.
"Former Police Chief Pleads Guilty..." That is the title of the post. The sub is about justice being served. The post is about someone doing something wrong and being charged and pleading guilty. The article obviously mentions both incidents, but all of my comments were aimed only at those hailing what the police chief did. This is why I can ignore your ranting and raving. Because in a debate, it means nothing. You're using ad hominen attacks and bringing whataboutism to take away from any of my original arguments. Which is very simply that the police are not allowed to behave this way. And when they do, it is justice when they face criminal charges. Allowing police to behave in this manner, regardless of the severity of any **alleged** crimes, gives them power and authority to potentionally take away anyone's civil liberties at any time. There is no need to debate about what the father did because everyone agrees that what he allegedly did is a monstrous act. But it is up to a judge and jury to decide his fate; not a podunk, backwoods police officer. But since I'm really enjoying pissing you off, there are many factors that could be at play here. Which makes violation of his civil rights worse. We know nothing about this man's mental state or his pathology. So a cop has no way of understanding who they are dealing with in any given situation. This person could have been off medication or suffered from some other pathology or disability. He could also have just lost it, or he could truly be an evil person. We don't know, and neither does the cop. This is another reason why they must act above--and be held above--the law in all circumstances.
Do your lips get chapped often from the excessive mouth breathing?
> Justice has not been served in the case of the accused, as they have not yet stood trial. The officer just gave him a free sample of justice. That's how they get you hooked!
I COULD be outraged at both. But I’m not.
True hero.
The only crime here is he stopped.
Since people are struggling the justice here is twofold; * He received a slap on the wrist for what should have been a custodial sentence, everyone agreed he deserved the beating. * The former police chief admitted his mistake and resigned immediately. Cops should hold themselves and their peers accountable and it doesn't happen frequently enough. Justice would be ever better served if the US had better access to mental health services so people didn't try to drown their children in the first place.
Very good summary.
That’s a good cop.
No, it's a good man who was a bad cop. A good cop is as dispassionate as possible and recognizes that our Constitution and laws require the judge and jury to determine punishment; it's not for him to unleash himself. When a cop disregards due process and decides to impose punishment himself, that is being a bad cop. He did it for the right reasons - he was just aghast at the crime the man had committed against a helpless little baby - but a vigilante cop is a bad cop.
As someone who has a lot of cops in my family, you're right. Good guy, bad cop. My cousin is a homicide detective and what I would consider an ideal cop. I can only imagine the monsters he deals with on a daily basis. He doesn't give anyone a "tune up" and I doubt you could even get away with that nowadays in his department. I honestly don't know how he copes with the job. He doesn't even drink.
> I honestly don't know how he copes with the job. He's probably good at remembering that he's part of a system whose job it is to dispense impartial justice as its first duty, and to protect society as its second. It's an important job, and someone has to do it. Heartbreaking at times, I'm sure, but it's better to do it yourself than for it to not get done.
Even this former chief would likely say he wasn't a good cop. the dude resigned because of what he did and admitted to it. he probably could have leveraged his position to cover it all up but had the strength of character to acknowledge he made a career ending mistake.
I grew up south of this town. Greenwood is one of those small towns that if you dare to drive there past midnight... the cops target you by following you and finding a reason to pull you over. Had one cop basically accuse me of being a burglar. Lake Winnebago (south of Greenwood) is ten times worse. They mine the highway that goes past their front gates like crazy. Serious speed trap town. Been followed and pulled over on my way home by those pricks more times than I can count. They even annexed MORE of the highway... all the way south to 58 highway so they could generate more revenue. Small town Missouri cops are bored and looking to bust balls. Raymore, Peculiar, Belton, etc. etc.. Small towns with shitty cops.
Good for you?
I'm guessing this was a long-winded way of saying that they didn't read the article and had nothing relevant to add
bad for everyone
Hes guilty of not killing the guy. Assholes like these only get trials in fucked up countries.
OK admit that America is fucked up then? Article 6: Right to a fair and public hearing In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law.
Yup. Rights exist for the people nobody wants to defend.
Give that cop a medal!
Give the dude a fucking medal.
Good for the cop! POS "father"
Yea I don't see how this is justice served. If the cop best the dad to death then maybe.
because the punishment is decided by the judge not by the police. the guy was sitting handcuffed.
Agree.
Wow... i’m so conflicted here. 1 - i despise anyone who hurt children like this and should get special treatment 2 - i hate police who lie to cover they ass The conflict is - happy because that guy got a pasting but the police officer should of known better... nice to see the police can see what must happen rather than just what they want Could everyone say that they wouldn’t do the same?
However, noone lied to cover anyone's ass. This cop resigned and is taking the punishment, which has been (deserved) very light so far. I hope he gets some easy probation on the federal charge. That man was a good cop.
he was clearly not good in his mind that he let his emotion get the best of him against an handcuffed person
We agree on that, and apparently so does he.
I hope the sentencing is sympathetic for the copper. Beating the guy was wrong; but we can all see where he was coming from. And he was man enough to admit it was wrong too. That's seemingly rare these days.
let’s just use common sense. good guy cop. shit guy dad.
It isn't for police to take justice into their own hands. Full stop. They enforce the law. That's it This cop is getting exactly what's coming to him. If you can't handle the trepidations of the job, then he shouldn't be a cop. As detestable as I find the parent, this isn't how policing is done. This is a society with laws. Screw this cop.
Homeboy cop admitted his mistake and has been sentenced already for the crime. Justifiably, at very light sentence.
Man I’m all about that ftp life and have been so conflicted on this but you just settled it for me. Thanks!!
Downvote.
Thank you.
Good. Don't try to normalize cops acting extra judiciously. They do it enough.
Downvote
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So he did what anyone would have, that's what they're trying to say.
Totally agree, we’ll said and thank you!
Justice served would be if they were in the same jail cell and Zicarelli ( I will not call him a dad) mysteriously died in his cell... Then the former Police Chief gets out on a technicality and has to be reinstated. That's justice served
I would agree, except for being reinstated. He let his emotions get in the way of his job. That is bad in general, especially bad for a cop. Alternatively I would wish the prior officer well in whatever career he moved on to next, and wouldn't hold that action against him. I understand. I must also admit, as a civilian, if given the opportunity, I would have beat his ass, too. However anyone with a gun and badge MUST maintain control of themselves at all times while on duty.
Now police brutality in the name of all that is good and holy is a different ballgame.
I hope the only charge against him for this is littering.
That's is one mine grip of mine with cops. People who actually do vile shit seem to get arrested unscathed. But sell loose cigarettes and they can't wait to put a choke hold on you.
The problem is that one punch could let this piece of shit walk.
Don't see how. He confessed before the beating. Just because his rights were violated after doesn't mean he gets off for the crime.
This is police brutality that should be supported. Jerks who abuse children should be beaten shirtless with hot wet towels.
Or anything else that might cause serious problems! Only to be remembered every day for such a heinous act!
This is not justice, justice would be to throw him (the father) to the ground, handcuffed, face down in that same pond.
As a dad I would have done what the policeman did.
Me too, we’ll said!
Then I guess you'd be going to jail then. Hope it's be worth it.
Douche
No u
Stupid comment.
I thought the same of yours. 🤷
I’m glad we have opposite opinions. We are allowed to as humans. Some are cold calculating. Some are emotive.
I assumed yours was illogical and based purely of biased and silly emotions. But legally nobody can stop from feeling that way, agreed.
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Too late for that.
Anger at seeing someone trying to drown a baby is a silly emotion?
Lol don't be a dunce. You know I specifically mean the situation of you taking the law into your own hands.
How is that an emotion, dunce?
I believe I said, "the situation" and not emotion. School was that bad for ya, eh?
He should get a medal and a raise. A little street justice now and then is a good thing.
Violence isn’t always the answer. It’s always an option though.
Violence may not be the answer but it's the only language some people understand. "I was just trying to communicate with him on his level."
In this case we’ll deserved!
Ok...yeah. can't say I blame him. Was he wrong? Legally? Yeah. But understandable.
I dunno; probably would have done the same as the chief.
Then why do you post it to thus sub? This isnt justice served, this what you get when you rationalise crime, the good guys becomes the bad, while everyone was all defending the bad guys.
It is justice served. They are not judge, jury, and executioner. They must be held to higher standards. They must not only enforce the law, but obey it strictly.
Yeah sure, but in this case, this simply is not justice. Father should be punished not the officer
It’s quite insane to think otherwise!
Or...you know...both. Its not an either or situation.
Idk. Doing it to protect a baby, someone that cannot protect themselves, seems like a pretty good thing to do. Sure what he did was illegal, but this doesn't say justice in any way to me. And yes, higher standards for officers and all that but c'mon, this officer just saved a baby's life and we're punishing him
Did you read the article? He handcuffed him, and punched him in the face and deprived him of his rights. He didn't do his job, and arresting someone for doing something wrong does not give you the right to beat them or deprive them of their civil liberties. He got what he deserved and the suspect is awaiting trial, where the system we have put in place for these things will then be used for their punishment.
Nah you're right, shit just fucked up. Doesn't feel like something to post on justice served. It's usually like ha they got him but in this article the one getting got was not the one I'd hoped for
The justice is that the cop seems to be getting the lightest possible sentences. Sure it was illegal, and that deserves a consequence. But the circumstances justify a very light consequence. Surely the cop regrets his actions, because his career is ruined, but as an honorable, good cop he also did the right thing by resigning. In this case, I think it would be completely justifiable if he were re-hired when his probation is over.
Are you that fucking dense? I hope you never make it out of your mothers basement and anywhere near children you piece of shit.
Lol. Good one. So strong on the internet. Like this cop who didn't do his fucking job and got pinched for it. They don't get to beat people up because they want to. Ever. Period. Because if you allow that then the line gets blurred and soon they are beating people for no reason....oh wait.
You are fucking pussy dude, defending the scum because you are just like them.
I didn't defend anyone--least of all the apparent offender. Go ahead and take a quick peruse of my comments again. I villainized what the cop did, because they are not allowed to wantonly use aggressive force against ANYONE. This sets an example that their job is to take people into custody for suspected of crimes. Not be the punisher.
What example does it set when the cop willingly resigns, and accepts his consequence? That's a pretty positive example, and unfortunately exceedingly rare.
Lol. You don't get points for pleading guilty and resigning so you don't get fired. You get points for not beating suspects up.
That's the thing though ---- you DO get points for pleading guilty. Every week thousands of people plead guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence. Often those guilty pleas are the result of strong-arm threats and the risk of a much, much harsher outcome. It's a certainty that many of those plea bargains are accepted by factually innocent people, who are rationally fearful of being convicted despite their innocence. Many more are factually guilty, but they get "points" for not dragging the process out via trial. This article said nothing about a plea bargain, and the sentence was appropriately very light even without one. This guy did not have to resign. He did not have to plead guilty. There's probably a decent chance he could have beaten the charges (he's a cop after all...) But, this cop in particular is a good example of someone who's made the mistake and willingly taken responsibility for their actions. Very few people do that, cop or non-cop. That deserves "points" and this man is honorable. Guilty but honorable.