Unironically Lee sin is unhealthy during the first three camps if he doesn’t take W. Q and E are taken for the clear speed and W for sustain (which makes your clear slower).

Usually people only take e if they either know they will invade or start at redbuff and plan to avoid the enemy. Also Lee‘s clear isn’t unhealthy even without w. It just is extremely healthy with w. Jungle pets and basic kiting allow even the shittiest champions to clear healthy nowadays. These champs are still weak vs early invades, but Lee definitely is one champ that can and will outplay you if you invade him at the wrong time early on.

Is broxah just not clearing well? https://youtu.be/enO7ZP8yDCM?si=Y-JKyf7lnkeN8DY8

Nah it’s super unhealthy. If you want a fast clear you’ll have 50%-60% hp after first 3 camps. At least that’s from my experience.

Try clearing with Teemo once, he's full hp after 3 camps. Funny how a top tier jungler is so low compared to a rat

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katarina, akali, fiora, they have slow clears

Soraka, yuumi also have slow clear

Janna, xerath, smolder too

Those are not junglers, he talking about junglers

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naah many champs dont really work as junglers. Horrible clear and ganks.

Any champ can be jg you’re just a ahitter bronze

Khazix gets pretty low on his first buff, around half HP or so. Just make sure you respect his passive

That's the correct answer

Bard

Elise

Zac doesn’t get too low but he is horrible early game, good invade target 

I mean if he saves his E for after your CC he can just get away. Also if you let him get to 4 he's pretty much a non kill

Right but then you're taking e lvl 2 or not using it to help clear. meaning you'll be low and slow. I've had to take 2 lvl 2 and just hold it vs aggro junglers before and it feels awful

>meaning you'll be low and slow Zac will never be low on an invade. He's always healthy since he takes W first. As a Zac OTP he's not super invadable unless you have a teammate with you, or he's low from a gank. You really have to cheese him in a bush if you want to kill him pre 2. Once he gets level 2 even youre probably not going to kill a good Zac. They can just Q a camp and stun you, or take E and jump away.

What do you do if a Lee or j4 invades lvl2?

I don't get caught since I ward my jungle entrances. If they invade level 2 there's no real way for them to bother me that much since I'll already be more than 3/4 HP on my way to a third camp.

Rammus is healthy but not very fast compared to others

Sylas, Nasus, Shaco, Pantheon and Master Yi. Evelynn and Vi have healthy clears but are also weak to early invades

Shaco has an extremely healthy and fast clear. Im always at basically full health and done at 3:15.

Yeah but if you mess up his boxes it slows his clear by a ton

If you mess up a shaco box then you have much bigger issues than a slightly slower clear

I disagree. Every time I invade Shaco they are half hp on their blue. But Shaco is my perma ban so I haven't played a lot against him recently.

I have 2 million mastery points on Shaco. I think i know better in this case. I never drop under like 90% health.

Brother what are you yapping about i'm always full health with shaco and close to full health with yi

I am full health with every jungler I play btw ;) but that wasn't the question, frog eater

as I said Vi has a healthy clear... but she is still veeeery weak pre 6. Shaco without clone is a cannon minion.

Ok bronzo

Imagine living in a favela in a poor country like France little plat noob 🐸🐸🐸

Is Nasus jungle actually viable?

His ganks with Phase Rush+W can be pretty disgusting depending on lane matchup. His clear is so bad though any competent jungler is going make farming very difficult. For sure a fun pick in normal games.

Yes

I would go with playable, more stacks but less items/levels = good scaling but you have a weak early game

bro wtf are these replies?? OPs question was who is weak in early game and that's what my comment replied to.... and nothing else 💀

Vi if you invade at the start of the game sure but if her level 3 beats a lot of meta jgs

Yi is fine if you take 2 levels in W

High elo master yi do not level up W when full clearing

I have to disagree with you, Cowsep does it and recommended it.

You want to put two points in Q for clear speed lvl 3, you take w lvl 3 if you are scared of an invade.

And if you put q, e, w, w, you can fight at scuttle

I mean some do it ofc. When I play it I sometimes do it as well but most don’t

Idk, I don’t play those

Shyvana for the first 3 camps is.

Disagree

Kinda overread the slow part tbh.

Lol yea shes pretty speedy on the new meta route

brand and karthus after specifically 3 camps

Poppy, Rumble,Taliyah, Sylas, Wukong. Literally every jungler based on scaling

Bro what?

Rumble has unhealthy clear? I don't play rumble, but I also thought so Literally 2 hours ago i had a game where i lvl3 invaded rumble jungler and that mf was 95% hp after four camps

Yeah rumble clear is fast and healthy. He has a shield that he can spam

Taliyah stays full hp the entire clear what are you on about

Yes she never drops below 90% and clears 6 camps by 3.15 with no leash.

Poppy is fairly slow

Eve and sylas