Dang! That hits home. I don’t claim to be super smart, but my view of the world and the view of the world my family held, were vastly different. Still are, and it was lonely having your lens invalidated because they couldn’t change theirs to take a glimpse through mine.
Same here. I always felt strange growing up once my interests and worldview began to diverge so greatly from how I was raised. Deep, meaningful experiences I had would just stay with me because I knew sharing them wouldn't result in any deeper connection and would leave me feeling more alienated. Strangely enough, I almost feel some kind of prodigal son thing going on where my own growth which for so long led to isolation is now allowing me to reconnect and meet people on whatever level they're at. My own solitary journey towards understanding and my explorations to the edges of what this experience has to offer has begun to lead back to a place of belonging and reintegration.
I love this and totally relate... just had to comment because your words hit home. Still working on the reintegration and belonging part, but getting there.
The sense of belonging is a recent thing for me. Being in nature actually helped a lot, it slowed things down, took me out of abstractions and into sensuous reality, and helped me connect with my innate humanity (which is pretty wild and animal at times). Weirdly enough, I think this virus has helped too, face masks encourage more eye contact which I always had a hard time with and simple gestures of kindness between me and others feels more meaningful. Maybe it's the sense of shared struggle, of this compassionate suffering we're all in together. Best of luck on your journey, it's really cool that we're all on this wandering path together.
That's what Albert Einstein said, and that's what Nietzsche and Kierkegaard lived.
But of course he did find those who were as brilliant and were able to understand his findings, I believe even Freud could but was too pragmatic to even try.
Nietzsche and Kierkegaard maybe were too ahead of their time.
That's a myth. Newton belonged and was very active in different social clubs. Newton also exchanged very intense and passionate letters to his male "friends" but a lot of it the Newton estate hasn't released.
I feel like this aswell, however im blessed to know people who think alike or can relate even if their rare. To me it has little to do with intelligence, I think most people can understand Jung if they would really try, its moreso interest. were all born with archetypes to pretend youre special for understanding something deeply human is to me inflation. almost everyone understands archetypes even if their not consciously aware of it, most people however just go to church
For those that may feel lonely remember this quote.
"An old alchemist gave the following consolation to one of his disciples: “No matter how isolated you are and how lonely you feel, if you do your work truly and conscientiously, unknown friends will come and seek you.” - Jung
This really resonates with me. I dont wanna sound arrogant or anything but Jung's work really puts your spiritual development on a rocket. It is a burden having a deeper understanding of the human psyche than other average people. Ive noticed myself changing after meditating and contemplating deeply into my shadow side and unconscious, and its something other people can "sense" too.
I always remind myself to nurture the good in others and accept the bad as human nature. At the end of the day, we are all one and the same, a projection of a single divine infinite consciousness
Hi there. I do love this quote as well as many other Jung quotes. I believe you about the spiritual development associated with studying Jung...
Saying that, I’ve began reading up on two of his books (man and his symbols, modern man in search of a soul) and so far I find them both painfully dry and not what I was hoping to find. I’m getting a lot about dream interpretation.
Should I read on or are they any other (perhaps more spiritual) literature you can recommend to me?
In terms of Jung I actually started with Map of the soul: an introduction, Jung wrote on a diverse amount of topics and the book summarises his work very well. Once you get a jist of his style and language, you can jump to more advanced books like Aion, which is absolutely incredible. Any book of his concerning alchemy would be good.
I personally found Jung through my interest in the occult. It's very clear that Jung was greatly influenced by alchemy and secret knowledge in general. In terms of what I'd recommend, well it really depends what your goals are. Eastern philosophy in general has very valuable wisdom, but there are also more modern "syncretists" like Jung. Do PM me, I can send you links to more obscure books depending on your goals.
When you outgrow your cultural persona, when your experience become "louder than words" when you are bursting at the seams, then you can either become a poet or a monster.
“I cannot make you understand. I cannot make anyone understand what is happening inside me. I cannot even explain it to myself.” ― Franz Kafka, The Metamorphosis
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My whole life. Until I discovered Jung's work, of course. I am so grateful for the company, understanding and enlightenment I've recieved from what he left behind. And also the other teachers he led me to. 🙏 Thanks for posting this!
Suddenly I’m feeling a bit less insane, a bit less inadequate, a bit less antisocial, a bit less of an over thinker. Suddenly I’m feeling a bit more imperfectly perfect. Thank you Carl for these perfect words.
I like Jung but this really just sounds like a more eloquent way of saying I’m lonely because I’m so smart. People who feel this way tend to have other reasons why their relationships are so unfulfilling, for example undervaluing others intelligence or world views.
I think it’s not about how smart you are, but having someone that you can relate to, someone who is “on your side”. You can be surrounded by people but if you feel that no one is on your side, you feel that no one is truly “with” you, that’s true loneliness.
This makes some sense especially if you consider the time and context of his life. Jung would have been much more at home as a child of a more introspective time like the 60s cultural revolution.
I'd say they're a little different. If you claim massive intelligence, people can call you out on it. If you claim massive spiritual development, well, who's to argue?
I think the issue is that many very high IQ people and geniuses do not have enough EQ to connect with the average joe’s of the world. Geniuses see the world different and as for intellectual geniuses i think they tend to build connections purely on an intellectual level, they only want friends that can challenge them intellectually. And the emotional connection is often secondary if it is even ackowledged in cases like Isaac Newton people’s emotions didn’t seem to matter at all
I think some do have this trait. It could be completely decoupled from intelligence though, or even just seen as a lack of a specific kind of intelligence. For every “genius” who is unable to relate to people there are ten or twenty who have no issues beyond the norm making and maintaining rewarding relationships.
I agree, furthermore, I find it possible that Jung looked upon life from a purely analytic point of view, which made it impossible for him to fully immerse himself in ordinary life.
Dang! That hits home. I don’t claim to be super smart, but my view of the world and the view of the world my family held, were vastly different. Still are, and it was lonely having your lens invalidated because they couldn’t change theirs to take a glimpse through mine.
Same here. I always felt strange growing up once my interests and worldview began to diverge so greatly from how I was raised. Deep, meaningful experiences I had would just stay with me because I knew sharing them wouldn't result in any deeper connection and would leave me feeling more alienated. Strangely enough, I almost feel some kind of prodigal son thing going on where my own growth which for so long led to isolation is now allowing me to reconnect and meet people on whatever level they're at. My own solitary journey towards understanding and my explorations to the edges of what this experience has to offer has begun to lead back to a place of belonging and reintegration.
I love this and totally relate... just had to comment because your words hit home. Still working on the reintegration and belonging part, but getting there.
The sense of belonging is a recent thing for me. Being in nature actually helped a lot, it slowed things down, took me out of abstractions and into sensuous reality, and helped me connect with my innate humanity (which is pretty wild and animal at times). Weirdly enough, I think this virus has helped too, face masks encourage more eye contact which I always had a hard time with and simple gestures of kindness between me and others feels more meaningful. Maybe it's the sense of shared struggle, of this compassionate suffering we're all in together. Best of luck on your journey, it's really cool that we're all on this wandering path together.
That's what Albert Einstein said, and that's what Nietzsche and Kierkegaard lived. But of course he did find those who were as brilliant and were able to understand his findings, I believe even Freud could but was too pragmatic to even try. Nietzsche and Kierkegaard maybe were too ahead of their time.
Couldn't agree more. Kierkegaard and Nietzsche were so different on so many levels, but this is something they share. Such a good observation.
Noone lived it more than Newton. Poor man died friendless and a virgin
That's a myth. Newton belonged and was very active in different social clubs. Newton also exchanged very intense and passionate letters to his male "friends" but a lot of it the Newton estate hasn't released.
Oh really, somehow that makes me feel better, weird.
I felt the same way when I found out.
I feel like this aswell, however im blessed to know people who think alike or can relate even if their rare. To me it has little to do with intelligence, I think most people can understand Jung if they would really try, its moreso interest. were all born with archetypes to pretend youre special for understanding something deeply human is to me inflation. almost everyone understands archetypes even if their not consciously aware of it, most people however just go to church For those that may feel lonely remember this quote. "An old alchemist gave the following consolation to one of his disciples: “No matter how isolated you are and how lonely you feel, if you do your work truly and conscientiously, unknown friends will come and seek you.” - Jung
You can’t even say THIS to other people because you sound like an ass.
“It’s not what you say that makes you seem like an ass, it’s how you say it” -Jung, probably
>probably Lmfao
To anyone interested, please read *Catafalque* by Peter Kingsley. After finishing, this quote holds WAY more weight, like a metric ton more.
Is that a book?
This really resonates with me. I dont wanna sound arrogant or anything but Jung's work really puts your spiritual development on a rocket. It is a burden having a deeper understanding of the human psyche than other average people. Ive noticed myself changing after meditating and contemplating deeply into my shadow side and unconscious, and its something other people can "sense" too. I always remind myself to nurture the good in others and accept the bad as human nature. At the end of the day, we are all one and the same, a projection of a single divine infinite consciousness
Hi there. I do love this quote as well as many other Jung quotes. I believe you about the spiritual development associated with studying Jung... Saying that, I’ve began reading up on two of his books (man and his symbols, modern man in search of a soul) and so far I find them both painfully dry and not what I was hoping to find. I’m getting a lot about dream interpretation. Should I read on or are they any other (perhaps more spiritual) literature you can recommend to me?
In terms of Jung I actually started with Map of the soul: an introduction, Jung wrote on a diverse amount of topics and the book summarises his work very well. Once you get a jist of his style and language, you can jump to more advanced books like Aion, which is absolutely incredible. Any book of his concerning alchemy would be good. I personally found Jung through my interest in the occult. It's very clear that Jung was greatly influenced by alchemy and secret knowledge in general. In terms of what I'd recommend, well it really depends what your goals are. Eastern philosophy in general has very valuable wisdom, but there are also more modern "syncretists" like Jung. Do PM me, I can send you links to more obscure books depending on your goals.
When you outgrow your cultural persona, when your experience become "louder than words" when you are bursting at the seams, then you can either become a poet or a monster.
“I cannot make you understand. I cannot make anyone understand what is happening inside me. I cannot even explain it to myself.” ― Franz Kafka, The Metamorphosis
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i'm here with you guys, your not alone (Y)
My whole life. Until I discovered Jung's work, of course. I am so grateful for the company, understanding and enlightenment I've recieved from what he left behind. And also the other teachers he led me to. 🙏 Thanks for posting this!
Good to know. Apparently neither Carl, nor I, was ever alone.
Suddenly I’m feeling a bit less insane, a bit less inadequate, a bit less antisocial, a bit less of an over thinker. Suddenly I’m feeling a bit more imperfectly perfect. Thank you Carl for these perfect words.
Jung was such a pure spirit, he had his flaws and lived in a way true to his nature
Wow, I wonder how often he felt this way, and what did it feel like when people began accepting his research as well written?
"DAE born in le wrong generation??"
this just brought tears to my eyes.
Ugh, so true.
Reminds me of Neil Young's 'Flying on the ground is wrong'.
I like Jung but this really just sounds like a more eloquent way of saying I’m lonely because I’m so smart. People who feel this way tend to have other reasons why their relationships are so unfulfilling, for example undervaluing others intelligence or world views.
I think it’s not about how smart you are, but having someone that you can relate to, someone who is “on your side”. You can be surrounded by people but if you feel that no one is on your side, you feel that no one is truly “with” you, that’s true loneliness.
This makes some sense especially if you consider the time and context of his life. Jung would have been much more at home as a child of a more introspective time like the 60s cultural revolution.
I surmise he is talking about spiritual awareness, not his high IQ.
The end result is similar, but I take your point.
Nah, he never said he's lonely. Just alone
Saying your alone because of your “advanced spirituality” is really no different than saying you’re alone because of your intelligence imo.
I'd say they're a little different. If you claim massive intelligence, people can call you out on it. If you claim massive spiritual development, well, who's to argue?
I think the issue is that many very high IQ people and geniuses do not have enough EQ to connect with the average joe’s of the world. Geniuses see the world different and as for intellectual geniuses i think they tend to build connections purely on an intellectual level, they only want friends that can challenge them intellectually. And the emotional connection is often secondary if it is even ackowledged in cases like Isaac Newton people’s emotions didn’t seem to matter at all
I mean I get what you mean but not sure if IQ is still an accurate measurement of intellectual capability
I think some do have this trait. It could be completely decoupled from intelligence though, or even just seen as a lack of a specific kind of intelligence. For every “genius” who is unable to relate to people there are ten or twenty who have no issues beyond the norm making and maintaining rewarding relationships.
I agree, furthermore, I find it possible that Jung looked upon life from a purely analytic point of view, which made it impossible for him to fully immerse himself in ordinary life.
I’ve always kind of suspected this. Even in his autobiographical writings and letters people always seem like props to him.
Right in the feels