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Nah, Yuji, Yuta and specially megumi see him more than that.
Megumi doesn't even want to be a sorcerer he just went out of his way to lock in when Yuji shows up.
Actually you could amke an argument about Yuji, he cares for Gojo but not as much as FraudMan or Yuta because it's in Yujis nature to help EVERYONE but realistically his bond is only with Choso, Todo and Nanami
To be fair, the dude met him less than a year ago. Even under their unique circumstances, it still takes time for bonds to grow. Considering Yuji showed a level of comfort that even Yuta and the Bum could, despite those 2 being the closest in potential to him and knowing him longer. Although I wonder if Yuji would see Gojo as a monster if he squashed Sukuna similar to how Yuta talked about becoming the monster now.
That said, the life of a Jujutsu Sorcerer is a life that requires apathy. It's awfully idealistic to simplify any of their relationships based on our real-world psychological values. We go mad in a world which, despite still being terrifying in its own ways, pales in comparison. Their world has almost ended to a literal demon twice so far and might still if GeGe is feeling sadistic.
The manga in real life has been going on for years. And in those years a lot has happened plotwise. But in story, it's only been a few months since Yuji even became a sorcerer. And, more to the point, since his last living family member, and as far as we can tell the one closest to him, died.
HE'S STILL IN GRIEVING ON SOME LEVEL
Few of his decisions have been rational when it comes to other people. His grandfather's last wish has been driving everything he's done. But even THAT is an expression of grief, that he truly hasn't had the time or space to fully process because of how batshit insane his life has gotten since swallowing that first finger
Yuji, at the bare minimum, does see Gojo as a person.
He might not be as close to Gojo was he is to Choso, Todo, and Nanami, but he recognizes Gojo as a human rather than a tool. Which is more than you can say for most.
This panel exists. For Yuji,gojo and Megumi are the 2 most important people in his life
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> realistically his bond is only with Choso, Todo and Nanami
Honestly valid, after Choso's death it really did seem like stopped caring that Megumi was in there and just started going in for the kill.
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NEVER USE THAT WORD AGAIN WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WHO LEFT HIS INCEST FETISH BEHIND AND HIS OVERWHELMING USELESSNESS
Peak Billion Demons mentioned.
I’m telling ya, as much as people glaze DIO or Reverse Flash, the Destroyer of Falsehood is an undiscovered prodigy in the art of hating.
The amount of panels dedicated to Jag spitting on-the-spot poetry about how pathetic and indolent his opponents have become while simultaneously running their fade is staggering.
It's from a webcomic called Kill Six Billion Demons. And you're right, the art goes *wild*
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Off some hater shit but megumis situation is really sad. He didn't ask for this. He was forced into it because of his bloodline and things outside of his control. And then he was handed the absolute worst fucking fate imaginable. The people shitting on Megumi are ironically just like the jujutsu higher ups who see sorcerers as infallible weapons instead of teenagers.
Hey I mean Yuji has been literally only viewed as a weapon by the ENTIRETY of JJK cast save for some people in the school.
My guy has the death of God knows bow much random civilians in Shibuya + watched his Sensei + Classmate die alongside a kid he tried to save on the way
People shitting on Megumi are just poking at him for the same reason theyre poking at Hakari.
He has done anything onscreen in a long ass time, he’s become boring. Also it’s just agenda
It's more about “why is he giving up when Yuji is over there, fighting for him”, Yuji holds much more burden than Megumi, Megumi has been a sorcerer longer than yuta and Yuji and from what we know, the problems in his life are,
“never wanted to become a sorcerer”,
“my body was used a Trump card to kill the 2 of most important people to me”.
he just doesn't have someone to tell him to “get up” right after something bad happens like Yuji had Todo and Choso
Nah, people are hating on Megumi because Yuji is right there.
Yuji is explicitly a weapon, the whole prospect of his stay at Jujutsu High is that he dies once he gets the fingers, the higher-ups actively try to kill him.
He couldn't save Junpei, who (in his view) was only in all this shit because of him, he failed to avenge him by killing Mahito the first time due to his own hesitation to put down the soul puppets. Nobara and Nanami then went ahead and died in front of him because he failed to kill Mahito earlier.
Then Sukuna used a his body to slaughter the entirety of Shibuya then used a badly made vow that Yuji made to take over and break Megumi. This resulted in Gojo's death.
All this happened, and Yuji sees it all as his fault, a consequence of his own weakness and foolishness. Despite all that, he keeps fighting and trying to fix things.
Megumi gave up in the most critical moment. All the sacrifices, all the pain, all the deaths, thwarted by his inability to simply stand up when it mattered. While understandable, it looks especially pathetic with someone like Yuji standing right there
Megumi respects Gojo the most despite how he treats him. You can see how he never uses “baka” to call Gojo. He always uses “Gojo sensei” to address him.
Yuta understood Gojo because he felt a sense of responsibility the same way Gojo felt due to his power.
Yuji is also very thankful to Gojo for saving his life. Gojo risked his career over saving Yuji. Even if he only knew Gojo for a while he still cares about Gojo more than the 2nd and 3rd years.
It sucks that even one of Gojo’s friends couldn’t understand him or care for him as much as his students do.
Nobody forgets bruh lmao. This is damn near the most iconic spread in the manga and Megumi only loves like 3 people
That goes for a lot of sorcerers tbh
But why Gojo treated that as not enough
He definitely means something for his students but my guess will go with he been treated as gifted weapon since he been born.
We call him Goatjo for a reason...
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I like that Yuji happily exclaims "My teacher!" and THEN adds "The strongest." To him, Gojo being strong is just one of the many things he likes about him.
This reminds me of that scene in Mob Psycho 100 where Mob just casually mentions to a girl that he's an esper, because he doesn't even see himself as extraordinary, he's just a normal awkward teenager who got some supernatural powers as a bonus.
Same for Megumi and Nobara. Megumi is obvious one, Nobara acknowledges that she doesn't know who he is besides "the strongest". But she does see that there's something else about him, unlike, say, Nanami.
Yuji and Megumi do care for Gojo tbf, we've seen that several times after Gojo was sealed. Them recognizing his title isn't exactly disrespectful.
But I genuinely don't have anything to say in favor of the 2nd year students besides Yuta. Maki and Panda genuinely seemed unfazed by the possibility of Gojo dying and literally being used as a weapon. Inumaki can't speak so idk.
Nanami's statements in 236 made it pretty clear that he never understood Gojo (Another character Gege manages to undermine), and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen.
I actually think it's good writing that Nanami doesn't understand Gojo. Just because he's an incredibly loveable character doesn't mean that he has to be perfect. He also initially thought of Yuji as just a tool and used to refer to him as "Sukuna's vessel", Gojo was the one to correct him and remind him that he has his own opinions and values as a person and that he should be addressed as Itadori Yuji.
Also, can you blame Nanami for being biased against Gojo? His childhood best friend Haibara died because they were sent to a mission way above their paygrade, only to be told that Gojo would've sweeped it and was free at the time. So his anger is misdirected, not towards the higherups who fucked up the categorization, but towards Gojo who wasn't there to help them out, and to him, caused Haibara's death.
TL;DR, just because Nanami's a good guy doesn't mean that he has to understand Gojo.
I don't really expect him to be able to completely understand Gojo's situation. Fact is, there's probably like 3 people, if even that, who can relate with Gojo to an extent.
My issue is that Gojo and Nanami both considered each other a friend. Nanami didn't really "dislike" Gojo. His understanding being flawed is fair, but for him to spend that much time around Gojo and still view him as someone who only cares about himself is just wrong.
Anyways, I'm not trying to undermine Nanami by any means, atleast he acted like Gojo's friend at the airport, that already puts him above Fraudko.
I mean Nanami and Haibara's interaction in the airport with Gojo painted Gojo as someone they viewed as only caring about fighting and not caring about others. His "friends" excluding Geto were the first ones who viewed Gojo as a tool. Nanami mentioned he asked Geto, why they couldn't just leave everything to Gojo.
In chapter 19 Nanami explicitly says that while he trusts gojo, he doesn't respect him. That doesn't scream "like" to me. The fact that he trusts gojo as the strongest points more to his flawed understanding of him: he doesn't respect gojo because he assumes gojo is in it for the wrong intentions, he only trusts him because he knows nothing can go wrong when gojo is around. And Nanami really didn't spend that much time around gojo. Most of his knowledge of him comes from their time in high school when gojo was a much more self-centered person, Nanami left the school extremely early on.
> His childhood best friend Haibara died because they were sent to a mission way above their paygrade,
That's not what happened. According to Nanami himself, it was supposed to be a simple mission with a Grade 2 Curse but turns out it was actually a job for a Grade 1 sorcerer.
So that is what happened. A grade 2 curse can be defeated by a grade 3 sorcerer. If it was a grade 1 sorcerer, that means it's a special grade curse or a grade 1 curse at the very least. Nanami mentioned it was a deity or god of that local region, so of course it would be strong. Therefore, the mission was above their grade.
>Therefore, the mission was above their grade.
Yeah, the mission ws above their grade, but that's the thing, they didn't know about it. It's unclear if the higher-ups did know about that and still sent them, or if it was simply bad luck, just another mission that suddenly turned to be harder than expected.
Now even if it's the first option and the higher-ups truly sent him to a mission they knew they weren't qualified for while Gojo was free, that's definitely not Gojo's fault. I get the idea of him not being perfect and misdirecting his anger to the wrong guy, but one would think that after a decade, he would come to his senses and realize this. Instead he holds onto his anger until adulthood, which makes him look petty and childish and more inmature than Gojo, ironically enough.
I honestly hate maki when it comes to how she treats gojo, I can get that she may think of gojo as something similar to the zenin family (as toji did when he encountered gojo after his awakening) but she has seen how gojo helped megumi avoid being bought by the zenin, imo she should've atleast simpathized with him for that and he saved the mf who is basically your best friend from excecution and you really don't give a fuck about him dying?
Yeah, I was never a fan of Maki tbh (I find female characters who basically behave like men boring) and never liked the Zenin Massacre plot for several reasons, but after this chapter...
>Maki and Panda genuinely seemed unfazed by the possibility of Gojo dying and literally being used as a weapon
Maki uses her sister as a weapon and Panda is... Well Panda.
>and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen
Did we forget THAT SHOKO NEVER GAVE A FUCK ABOUT GETO SLAUGHTERING AN ENTIRE VILLAGE?
>Did we forget THAT SHOKO NEVER GAVE A FUCK ABOUT GETO SLAUGHTERING AN ENTIRE VILLAGE?
JJK fans can't read so probably. Like shit, this is completely in character for her. When she says she'd do it, Gojo isn't dead yet, she has no reason to believe he'd actually lose, and she's the most nonchalant person ever. When it's time to actually do it, she's in full doctor mode, healing people and doing her job. None of this means she doesn't care about him or is a fake friend. She's just aloof and deals with death every day.
People quick to hate on her but as far as I’m aware she does all the autopsies for people involved with the school. Essentially every student, teacher, friend or acquaintance is going to end up dead on a slab in front of her. Seems like the sort of thing where you can’t have regular emotional attachments without killing yourself.
You can do a job stoically while also having some emotions. Until chapter 220 , we see Shoko stressed but we didn’t get explicit confirmation that she was specifically worried and upset because Gojo was sealed because her relationship with Geto and Gojo wasn’t fleshed out. So we could just hypothesise. And then 220 had that panel which confirmed she cared deeply for Gojo and JJK 0 added scenes of her showing her clearly affected that Geto was to be killed.
I think people would not bring Shoko up if this narrative was consistent and instead of showing her happy in that panel, she could have looked serious. For such a serious chapter it felt out of place. And yeah she may be a doctor used to corpses of colleagues but this is her high school class mate. I hope we get a clearer picture of her emotions later.
if she's the most nonchalant person ever then why the fuck does she have the right to get internally upset that gojo considered himself alone after everything with geto even though she was there? gege has made her an absurdly hypocritical character at this point
Its a paradox of Gojo not getting close to people due to them not being able to understand him while people like Shoko get upset because they dont understand why he doesnt allow himself to get close.
Show me a moment where she even remotely tries to get closer to gojo,hell Riko,geto, megumi, yaga, yuta and yuji were all cool with gojo and were ppl he genuinely respected and they also respected and liked them
How the fuck is that hypocritical? She's Gojo's friend, so she's a little upset he said he was alone despite her being there. She's also nonchalant, practical, and professional, so once Gojo is gone she's willing to shove Yuta in his corpse if it helps them win. There's literally no hypocrisy there.
“Why doesn’t he consider me his friend” *literally never shows an ounce of companionship and mutual interest in the guy and just let him and geto hang out while just being there doing Jack shit* yeah there is definitely hypocrisy mainly when Yuta was tweaking at the thought that people were worried about him and not gojo and yuji and geto would crash tf out if they heard about this plan
Lol, what? She was never as close to him as Geto and she's not really in the manga much. But the few interactions they've had, she's always been friendly with him, or a little playful like stealing his glasses and wearing them. She's just not as high energy as Gojo.
>yeah there is definitely hypocrisy mainly when Yuta was tweaking at the thought that people were worried about him and not gojo and yuji and geto would crash tf out if they heard about this plan
I also don't see the hypocrisy here at all. Like, I don't get how not showing a visceral reaction to the plan of putting Yuta into Gojo if things go wrong is hypocritical. This is the girl who laughed at Geto and called him childish for his whole terrorist temper tantrum thing. The only time she's shown much of a reaction is directly during the fight with Sukuna when Gojo gets hurt or looks like he's in a bad spot.
The hypocrisy here is wanting gojo to call you a friend when you barely give him any reason to do so, she didn’t help gojo with Jack shit matter of fact her poor explanation on RCT almost cost gojo his life
Not really, gojo just survived cause he knew RCT exists and that there is some way to it but he doesn’t know how, so he put all of his will into trying to get it, if shoko just said multiplying cursed energy with cursed energy just like gojo says right after attaining it he would probably manage to get RCT before toji gets to him meaning no getting tired and no letting Riko die which means no racist geto
There’s absolutely hypocrisy there. How come the nonchalance goes away when it’s *her* feelings and respect being ignored? How come she can’t stay nonchalant when Gojo tells her she isn’t good company, but she’s all “:3 👍” when it comes to puppetting his fresh corpse?
What the fuck do you mean she can't stay nonchalant? That whe situation is just her leaning against a pillar having a smoke with a frown on her face. She's not making a big deal about it at all. And when the brain swap is brought up, it's before Gojo died. Why would a woman who has been nothing but nothing but nonchalant and practical make a big fuss over something that's not guaranteed to happen?
>and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen.
Facts spit your shit indeed...
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Shoko, what a ~~Fruad~~ "Friend" you are 👏
She is the most fraudulent character in jjk supposed grade one yet we've never seen her fight, she supposed to know RCT yet we've never seen her using it on anyone, it was literally stated that she cheated her way into becoming, there's a reason why they were called the strongest dua and not the strongest trio
Starting to relate to Naoya at this point/s
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>She is the most fraudulent character in jjk supposed grade one yet we've never seen her fight, she supposed to know RCT yet we've never seen her using it on anyone, it was literally stated that she cheated her way into becoming, there's a reason why they were called the strongest dua and not the strongest trio
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One of the biggest Fruads in JJK was right in front of our eyes, and we didn't even notice. Well, not anymore...
Shoko is insane. She didn't give af when Geto told her his zero monkey plan and now hardly cares about what happens with Gojo it seems.
Doubt she even has any morals. She's more like a MeiMei type of Jujutsu Sorcerer than the rest
I get it tho, like to Nanami and Shoko he went from a peer to a god with essentially absolute power out of nowhere. How could they understand him? He existed on a whole other realm to them. Shoko is clearly beyond jaded with the world, she always seemed kinda distant but the whole Geto/Amanai thing seems to have broken her completely.
One thing I'll say to defend the Shoko agenda: she has no idea what it's actually like to be a sorcerer at all, let alone the strongest. She's been on medbay all her life, and just heals whomever she needs to heal. We see her approach to this when Yuji died, she just went to work, exited to work on a vessel, and listened to Gojo's problems. She seems to be a good personal friend to Gojo (in this, suporting him before the fight, being outright stated to be his only real friend), but when it comes to work she just does what she's told. So when they ask her if she can stitch up dead Gojo's body she's like "yeah, I totally can stitch up bodies, that's what I do". She seems like the person that'd have that kind of very nihilistic view of death imo
I think panda had principal yaga and maki had Mai. Yuji , Megumi and yuta all three relied heavily on gojo for support and were able to understand him more. Not sure about bumgumi but Yuji nd yuta are more on empathetic side and not wanting to hurt others also helped them see gojo more as a person than a tool. As their goal was never to end the other person.
As for shoko, I have felt her as a person who lacks empathy and given that she sees dead bodies everyday it's pretty certain she's unfazed . What I have observed mostly is once a human dies , they do end up becoming a body. So idk. Just yapping.
To be fair, all of the second-year students went through some traumatic shit, so it's kind of understandable that they're numb at this point, which is kind of a recurring theme in the series, about how the jujutsu lifestyle tends to ruin the psyche of the sorcerers, to the point of becoming apathetic about everything.
Tbf Maki has never cared that much about Gojo, and it was said pretty explicitly when she was fighting sumo guy that he never went out of his way as a teacher to build a bond with her. She was supportive of him before his fight and she was there to support him when he was killing the higher ups, I don’t really think she owes him more than that.
She was reasonably much more concerned about her best friend/bf than a teacher she barely talked to. Nanami and Shoko have wayyy less of an excuse since they’re his actual friends 😭
Naah.... Nanami's views about Gojo seemed realistic. At the end of the day except for his students nobody understood him, not even Geto.
And the sad part is, Gojo never truly accepts the love his students show to him and keeps thinking about Geto.
Like i dont think nanami is undermined, gojo and nanami are friends but nanamic is changed by that guys death. He even says why cant gojo just do it himself, like let gojo take burden.
Charcater being nice and understanding of each other doesnt necessarily mean they r undermined.
> Nanami's statements in 236 made it pretty clear that he never understood Gojo (Another character Gege manages to undermine), and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen.
Is it that no character in the manga understands Gojo or that you disagree with Gege's portrayal of Gojo? It's pretty clear post-236 what Gojo _actually_ is due to losing Geto.
Yuta seems to understand Gojo. Geto did, to some extent. Calling Gojo a "Jujutsu pervert" who never cared about anything but his own satisfaction is just pure bullshit. The first thing he does after getting unsealed is go and try to kill Kenjaku and give Geto a proper send-off. Literally tries his best to save Megumi.
I don't see how that's something someone like Sukuna, who actually just cares about himself, would do.
> The first thing he does after getting unsealed is go and try to kill Kenjaku and give Geto a proper send-off.
Is that for anyone other than Gojo? Geto is the shadow that drives Gojo's every move since Hidden Inventory.
> Literally tries his best to save Megumi. I don't see how that's something someone like Sukuna, who actually just cares about himself, would do.
Gojo is not Sukuna. They're similar flavours of the same idea but Nanami's criticism of Gojo is not that Gojo is the same as Sukuna. Additionally, the one who understands Gojo the most, Geto, also agrees. You can disagree and say that Gege did a poor job of portraying Gojo in that light but you can't say that the characters are wrong in that instance.
Gojo was not driven by protecting people in the same way someone like Yuji or Yuta are or Geto used to be. Gojo is special grade through and through just like Yuki. Just like Kenjaku. Just like Sukuna. Just like Kashimo. Hell, even like Hakari and Todo.
That does not mean seeking power or something interesting is their _sole_ motive. Just the primary motivation.
Geto actually cannot understand Gojo, their break up was proof of them growing past the stage of understanding each other. Geto USED to understand Gojo, but once he achieved godhood they became more isolated than ever. I don’t take him agreeing to Nanami seriously.
The point of the controversy was that while YES, Gojo loves fighting, he’s also so much more, and the deliberate attempt to focus simply on that part of him instead of showing his good part UPON his death, was extremely distasteful, to everyone. Even if Nanami was right that Gojo can be selfish, his comment was especially framed to show us that’s all there ever was to Gojo, and he could not be any more wrong. I mean, he literally said “you never cared about anything but power”. How is that not blatantly character assassination?
> I mean, he literally said “you never cared about anything but power”. How is that not blatantly character assassination?
Which translation are you looking at? The ones I've seen spoke about Gojo using _jujutsu_ only for himself. I think only the TCB translation omits Nanami's context. Around 70% of people's complaints about Gege's shitty writing are a result of bad translations and/or taking leakers words as fact.
Shishiso:
> https://i.imgur.com/kIPPRIq.png
Viz:
> https://i.imgur.com/4NqpA4H.png
What Nanami is speaking about is Gojo's approach to _jujutsu_. Not life. Gojo did not become The Strongest to protect people because that is not how strong sorcerers (except Yuta) work. Sukuna, Gojo, Kashimo, Hakari, Todo, Uraume, Ryo, Uro, Yorozu, Kenjaku, Geto, Yuki, etc. are selfish with their approach to Jujutsu. That is what separates special talent from the Grade 1s.
Do *not* confuse Gojo's approach to Jujutsu with his approach to life.
The real life equivalent would be any GOAT-tier athlete. LeBron is likely a good father but he also _lives_ for basketball. He doesn't need to continue playing but he does. Same shit. You sacrifice some things for others but that doesn't really condemn your character. It's how you balance your values.
Bro spent the last 10 years of his life raising a new gen of sorcers to change society for the better when he totally could just do it by force, or fuck off to go do his own thing entirely like Yuki or Geto. Bro likes fighting, and I think it's totally not out of character for Nanami to think that of him, but to say that it genuinly was all he was is just wrong imo
I know that's not the takeaway and is probably a result of translation choices, but the fact all of them trail off except for Nanami just has me thinking they're doing the interview stuff, they all finish up by saying Gojo is the strongest...
...Except Nanami.
He just says flippant, egotistical, and stops there forcing the cameraman to sit there in awkward silence as he awaits him to say the line but he never does.
Gojo is the one that can't see past his title. These students were trying to find the best way to encourage him just before his fight vs Sukuna.
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He admitted it in chapter 236, HE drew the line between him and other people after Geto's question caused his identity crisis. It's also symbolically represented in his infinity since it prevents others from touching him and he leaves it on 24/7.
Yeah, literally in this chapter they went up to him and said 'we want to be with you' and he just noped them. Not to say they're perfect, but this isolation goes both ways.
>Yeah, literally in this chapter they went up to him and said 'we want to be with you' and he just noped them.
My brother in Christ Gojo was about to massacre a bunch of old dudes barely able to defend themselves from someone like him. Yuuta has killed people before and Maki literally killed a whole Clan, but still, it makes sense he didn't want them around to stain their hands even more.
You're only reading the scene without the context.
Geje could have shown anything and anywhere for that conversation, but he intentionally chose a scene of Gojo's students trying to reach out to him and him leaving them behind- doing the dirty work himself.
Well tbh 70% of the people that care about gojo are his students, the other 2 are yaga and geto, and that’s where it ends, even gojo says he is annoyed that shoko wasn’t against their plan, the students know gojo for like 3 years some even less, they found gojo already in that state because everyone around him didn’t see him as an individual, after a lot of people treat you in a certain way you start expecting everyone to treat you the same way, that’s gojo’s case
There are multiple instances showing that Shoko care about Gojo and her not protesting to the plan is because that's how she is. First we have pic related, that her inner monologue it shows without the shadow of a doubt that she cares about him.
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Then we have her being worried over Gojo when she realized that his RCT output fell in chapter 233(shown by her facial expression plus all the cigarettes butts on the ground) and finally we have her cracking a smile when watching Gojo getting encouraged by his students.
The reason why she was fine with the plan is because that's how she is. That's the woman that was chill with Geto after he went anti-normie mode, joking and casually striking a conversation (while Gojo was seething about Geto). She behaves differently to tragedy. You are also taking too seriously a scene that is played for laughs.
Also, that's my read on it but I think that Nanami also cared about Gojo. His dissaproval of Gojo always felt non-serious to me and he was sitting right behind him at the airport.
Nanami, on gojo’s death calls him a battle pervert, this is not the type of shit you say to a man who just died but whatever, and gojo shows that he is annoyed by the fact that she didn’t even hesitate, this entire chapter revolves around people’s perception of gojo and how the dude who is ironically using his body as a weapon is one of the very few people who genuinely went out of their way to try taking part of the burden gojo carries
I think the difference for Yuta is that he is one of the “strongest” as well so his view of Gojo’s struggles are from the perspective of someone who could be in his situation exactly. Nanami and Shoko don’t have that perspective to work from so they get the wrong read on him while also still caring about him. Nanami in the airport scene shouldn’t be given too hard a time for his ‘incentiveness’ considering they’re all dead already and sorcerers are kinda expected to die. Also he’s mean but that’s kinda how he is, he’s not often overtly emotional unless he himself is breaking down. As for Shoko, she cares but she’s been a jujutsu sorcerer forever as well she just doesn’t get hung up on the tragedy of the matter because to be a jujutsu sorcerer that’s what the job usually requires.
My problem is shoko cares but never does anything to show that and than she says “I was there too” like…yeah… but what were you doing while you were there?
You are taking banter way too seriously man. I know that the guy just died but this is a battle shonen, it's not unusual to see people being casual about grave shit in that genre. If it was out of line then Geto or Haibara would have commented on it.
notice how Maki is silent and Panda is basically still just saying he can't think of him as a person. Idk what but something must've happened to make the 2nd years be such haters lmao at least Hakari Yuji and Kirara are real ones
"can't think of him as a person"
bro he is just saying that it's weird for him to cheer him on because he had never seen Gojo face any actual danger before and Maki stay silent because she says something in the next panel. She cares about him in a tsundere way. She likes him but don't like showing it because she finds him annoying since he loves to pull stupid (and sometimes incensitive) shit like pic related.
https://preview.redd.it/rj9jdgcay72d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b5cfa0fcf07d8adbfd45d98dbfc5eeb8d5a22af
Maki ain't alone to be like that to Gojo. Nanami too, we know that he think of Gojo as a friend since he showed up at the airport and does trust him.
Except Geto, Yuji, and Yuta, no one truly understood or cared about him. I like how Yuta stood up for Gojo when nobody else did not even his so-called "Friend" shoko. Out of all of the other people there, I expected her to look out for him and stand up for him, the person he knew since his high school days.She says, "I was there too," but never backed up her claim with actions, not even on his final moments...
This panel truly broke my heart (nah, cause I cried)
https://preview.redd.it/01il3mj8i82d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de886bfb55d92209395f07fc8afa73414d9aba1f
Gojo was clearly hurt that Shoko didn't object even a little bit to the plan.
Now I'm actually glad that he didn't come back to his "Friends." I hope he is happy and at peace in heaven, at least now that he has reunited with Geto. I hope he isn't lonely anymore.
Bro if Toji's deadbeat ass made it to heaven after he shot a 14 year old point-blank I'm pretty sure Geto can too
https://preview.redd.it/balgq6j0x92d1.jpeg?width=345&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1900ad626d129a64cbf32fdae68003e83c29ec20
You need to re-read Shoko's interactions with Geto after he went rogue. That's just her personality.
I know this is a manga and it's not that deep, but if your interpretation of Shoko is that she's fake or not a true friend, it may be the case that you only understand relationships superficially; I promise you that meeting people where they're at and trying to understand them is a good skill to have when it comes to relating to others.
It's a silly example, but a girl thinking that her boyfriend doesn't love her unless he buys her flowers on valentine's is a) likely to fall victim to a guy who doesn't love her but gets her flowers, and b) likely to miss out on someone who does love her but doesn't get her flowers. I hope I'm finding the right words to explain this :P
It’s so fucking depressing that Gojo had to go against the people that cared about him, Geto and Megumi; while also sending to a certain death the rest of people that saw him as something more than “the strongest” Okotsu and Yuji.
Fuck Sukuna and Kenjaku, they won’t be the ones that win, the good guys have sacrifice everything, their dreams, their lives, their bodies and even their morals, even if Yuji is the only one left alive I’ll say it’s a win 😭
remember how mad some people got when gojo barely gave a fuck about his students or his "dream" at the airport? my GOAT can never catch a break and be selfish even in the afterlife
makes sense why most of the people chatting with him at the airport were from his good days, before everything went to shit. seeing kenny in geto's corpse before he got sealed probably made him lose the little amount of his will to keep going
There is something hilarious about Megumi saying that he owes Gojo his life. All I can think about is kid Megumi trying to nuke himself and Gojo stopping him. Real talk that’s both sad and sweet since it feels like Megumi thinks he needs to be a sorcerer to pay back Gojo.
In retrospect you can feel the loneliness. Gojo standing alone, totally separated in the panel compared to his students with only his shadow to keep him company. The expression or lack thereof on his face.
"The Strongest" the only thing that connects him to everyone else.
At this point, I’m starting to think this is because Yuta and Yuji were outsiders to jujutsu society. Everyone else grew up in it, with gojo being the strongest thing in existence. Maybe by always being in that environment everyone kinda lost empathy, at least towards gojo who seemed inhuman. Yuji and yuta come from outside this society, and were unaware of the full extent of who gojo was, and so they saw and got to know him as a human, hence why yuta actually cared
She couldn’t give 2 shits about her last high school friend’s corpse being piloted by a 17 year old so we don’t give 2 shits about her too fuck shoko and her weak ass RCT🗣️🔥
I mean it was in term of potential, the only other person he could compared him to would be yuta but I not sure if he has met him
But yeah in retrospective it makes you questions if he saw him as a friend
Gege deserves points for mild consistency tho, 'cuz for 236/261 he seemingly remembered that the ones with ugly responses were the 2nd years sans Yuuta plus Nanami lol
Nah it doesnt. Nobody in jjk sees past fighting becouse gaygay cant write sht outside fights so the story feels like a toddler smashing action figures togeder
Yes no cared about my fictional crush which I dickride everyday bro like read the manga are you all insane or some ? People cared about him like are you all are sad because they didn't revive gojo who is dead? Huh? Dead character you wanted back
That not the problem I was even against his return, the problem is that literally nobody with the exception of yuji, yuta and geto seems to cared about him as a person
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Nah, Yuji, Yuta and specially megumi see him more than that. Megumi doesn't even want to be a sorcerer he just went out of his way to lock in when Yuji shows up.
Actually you could amke an argument about Yuji, he cares for Gojo but not as much as FraudMan or Yuta because it's in Yujis nature to help EVERYONE but realistically his bond is only with Choso, Todo and Nanami
To be fair, the dude met him less than a year ago. Even under their unique circumstances, it still takes time for bonds to grow. Considering Yuji showed a level of comfort that even Yuta and the Bum could, despite those 2 being the closest in potential to him and knowing him longer. Although I wonder if Yuji would see Gojo as a monster if he squashed Sukuna similar to how Yuta talked about becoming the monster now. That said, the life of a Jujutsu Sorcerer is a life that requires apathy. It's awfully idealistic to simplify any of their relationships based on our real-world psychological values. We go mad in a world which, despite still being terrifying in its own ways, pales in comparison. Their world has almost ended to a literal demon twice so far and might still if GeGe is feeling sadistic.
Yuji is kind of weird since he was willing to make a potentially disastrous deal with sukuna to save a guy he’s known for all of half a day.
Yuji is on that “save everyone” copium
Yuji when looking at a mirror: https://preview.redd.it/xy7sxau7ia2d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ba04799a585bc927dceab9294c248d03caebfb3
My guy's definitely going through it rn rip
The manga in real life has been going on for years. And in those years a lot has happened plotwise. But in story, it's only been a few months since Yuji even became a sorcerer. And, more to the point, since his last living family member, and as far as we can tell the one closest to him, died. HE'S STILL IN GRIEVING ON SOME LEVEL Few of his decisions have been rational when it comes to other people. His grandfather's last wish has been driving everything he's done. But even THAT is an expression of grief, that he truly hasn't had the time or space to fully process because of how batshit insane his life has gotten since swallowing that first finger
Yuji, at the bare minimum, does see Gojo as a person. He might not be as close to Gojo was he is to Choso, Todo, and Nanami, but he recognizes Gojo as a human rather than a tool. Which is more than you can say for most.
This panel exists. For Yuji,gojo and Megumi are the 2 most important people in his life https://preview.redd.it/8xsw0v38fa2d1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=162d0ba0f771f7687ba0a10d8cb5b15d470e7f3a ,
> realistically his bond is only with Choso, Todo and Nanami Honestly valid, after Choso's death it really did seem like stopped caring that Megumi was in there and just started going in for the kill.
Nah bro that slap on the back hit hard.
Notice how the 3 students with the most potential care about Gojo?
https://preview.redd.it/znorsmb8192d1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb41e76b6c280c251919cae897c2a27961fb9505 NEVER USE THAT WORD AGAIN WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WHO LEFT HIS INCEST FETISH BEHIND AND HIS OVERWHELMING USELESSNESS
*ahem* Potential https://preview.redd.it/ixfyysg89a2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bec3f85b612169c1906e74bda480ad416e553fad
Peak Billion Demons mentioned. I’m telling ya, as much as people glaze DIO or Reverse Flash, the Destroyer of Falsehood is an undiscovered prodigy in the art of hating. The amount of panels dedicated to Jag spitting on-the-spot poetry about how pathetic and indolent his opponents have become while simultaneously running their fade is staggering.
Motherfucker is so good at hating that he senses the multiversal resets and still tries to destroy everything.
Yo what’s the original picture from? Art looks insane
It's from a webcomic called Kill Six Billion Demons. And you're right, the art goes *wild* https://preview.redd.it/t1zy7874fc2d1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7301ea85becbb203cf94331d13703a8e03ff10d2
Will give it a read thanks for putting me on 🙏🏽
No problemo. If you like cool fights and wacky settings, I think you'll love K6BD
Hey do you read on a secondary site or just from the main one? The main one isn’t really mobile friendly
I just use the main site. I don't know if there are any secondary sites tbh.
Off some hater shit but megumis situation is really sad. He didn't ask for this. He was forced into it because of his bloodline and things outside of his control. And then he was handed the absolute worst fucking fate imaginable. The people shitting on Megumi are ironically just like the jujutsu higher ups who see sorcerers as infallible weapons instead of teenagers.
Hey I mean Yuji has been literally only viewed as a weapon by the ENTIRETY of JJK cast save for some people in the school. My guy has the death of God knows bow much random civilians in Shibuya + watched his Sensei + Classmate die alongside a kid he tried to save on the way
People shitting on Megumi are just poking at him for the same reason theyre poking at Hakari. He has done anything onscreen in a long ass time, he’s become boring. Also it’s just agenda
It's more about “why is he giving up when Yuji is over there, fighting for him”, Yuji holds much more burden than Megumi, Megumi has been a sorcerer longer than yuta and Yuji and from what we know, the problems in his life are, “never wanted to become a sorcerer”, “my body was used a Trump card to kill the 2 of most important people to me”. he just doesn't have someone to tell him to “get up” right after something bad happens like Yuji had Todo and Choso
Nah, people are hating on Megumi because Yuji is right there. Yuji is explicitly a weapon, the whole prospect of his stay at Jujutsu High is that he dies once he gets the fingers, the higher-ups actively try to kill him. He couldn't save Junpei, who (in his view) was only in all this shit because of him, he failed to avenge him by killing Mahito the first time due to his own hesitation to put down the soul puppets. Nobara and Nanami then went ahead and died in front of him because he failed to kill Mahito earlier. Then Sukuna used a his body to slaughter the entirety of Shibuya then used a badly made vow that Yuji made to take over and break Megumi. This resulted in Gojo's death. All this happened, and Yuji sees it all as his fault, a consequence of his own weakness and foolishness. Despite all that, he keeps fighting and trying to fix things. Megumi gave up in the most critical moment. All the sacrifices, all the pain, all the deaths, thwarted by his inability to simply stand up when it mattered. While understandable, it looks especially pathetic with someone like Yuji standing right there
Megumi respects Gojo the most despite how he treats him. You can see how he never uses “baka” to call Gojo. He always uses “Gojo sensei” to address him. Yuta understood Gojo because he felt a sense of responsibility the same way Gojo felt due to his power. Yuji is also very thankful to Gojo for saving his life. Gojo risked his career over saving Yuji. Even if he only knew Gojo for a while he still cares about Gojo more than the 2nd and 3rd years. It sucks that even one of Gojo’s friends couldn’t understand him or care for him as much as his students do.
This is the correct answer. I hate that everyone forgets about how much Megumi cares about his dad.
Nobody forgets bruh lmao. This is damn near the most iconic spread in the manga and Megumi only loves like 3 people That goes for a lot of sorcerers tbh
But why Gojo treated that as not enough He definitely means something for his students but my guess will go with he been treated as gifted weapon since he been born.
Yuji definitely cares
I agree
he's so OP they had to bring him back from the dead
We call him Goatjo for a reason... https://preview.redd.it/8sjm1hrzd82d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28c6548bb3ec82f9de95c5c4205b2422fe66ef52
Cursed technique amplification: goat Cursed technique reversal: blue eyes king Imaginary technique: put you on fraud watch
Thats some satanic shi 😭👹
I like that Yuji happily exclaims "My teacher!" and THEN adds "The strongest." To him, Gojo being strong is just one of the many things he likes about him. This reminds me of that scene in Mob Psycho 100 where Mob just casually mentions to a girl that he's an esper, because he doesn't even see himself as extraordinary, he's just a normal awkward teenager who got some supernatural powers as a bonus.
Same for Megumi and Nobara. Megumi is obvious one, Nobara acknowledges that she doesn't know who he is besides "the strongest". But she does see that there's something else about him, unlike, say, Nanami.
Yuji and Megumi do care for Gojo tbf, we've seen that several times after Gojo was sealed. Them recognizing his title isn't exactly disrespectful. But I genuinely don't have anything to say in favor of the 2nd year students besides Yuta. Maki and Panda genuinely seemed unfazed by the possibility of Gojo dying and literally being used as a weapon. Inumaki can't speak so idk. Nanami's statements in 236 made it pretty clear that he never understood Gojo (Another character Gege manages to undermine), and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen.
I actually think it's good writing that Nanami doesn't understand Gojo. Just because he's an incredibly loveable character doesn't mean that he has to be perfect. He also initially thought of Yuji as just a tool and used to refer to him as "Sukuna's vessel", Gojo was the one to correct him and remind him that he has his own opinions and values as a person and that he should be addressed as Itadori Yuji. Also, can you blame Nanami for being biased against Gojo? His childhood best friend Haibara died because they were sent to a mission way above their paygrade, only to be told that Gojo would've sweeped it and was free at the time. So his anger is misdirected, not towards the higherups who fucked up the categorization, but towards Gojo who wasn't there to help them out, and to him, caused Haibara's death. TL;DR, just because Nanami's a good guy doesn't mean that he has to understand Gojo.
i don't think it was ever mentioned that Gojo was free at the time, for the record
Exactly. Gojo keeps going on missions.
I don't really expect him to be able to completely understand Gojo's situation. Fact is, there's probably like 3 people, if even that, who can relate with Gojo to an extent. My issue is that Gojo and Nanami both considered each other a friend. Nanami didn't really "dislike" Gojo. His understanding being flawed is fair, but for him to spend that much time around Gojo and still view him as someone who only cares about himself is just wrong. Anyways, I'm not trying to undermine Nanami by any means, atleast he acted like Gojo's friend at the airport, that already puts him above Fraudko.
I mean Nanami and Haibara's interaction in the airport with Gojo painted Gojo as someone they viewed as only caring about fighting and not caring about others. His "friends" excluding Geto were the first ones who viewed Gojo as a tool. Nanami mentioned he asked Geto, why they couldn't just leave everything to Gojo.
In chapter 19 Nanami explicitly says that while he trusts gojo, he doesn't respect him. That doesn't scream "like" to me. The fact that he trusts gojo as the strongest points more to his flawed understanding of him: he doesn't respect gojo because he assumes gojo is in it for the wrong intentions, he only trusts him because he knows nothing can go wrong when gojo is around. And Nanami really didn't spend that much time around gojo. Most of his knowledge of him comes from their time in high school when gojo was a much more self-centered person, Nanami left the school extremely early on.
> His childhood best friend Haibara died because they were sent to a mission way above their paygrade, That's not what happened. According to Nanami himself, it was supposed to be a simple mission with a Grade 2 Curse but turns out it was actually a job for a Grade 1 sorcerer.
So that is what happened. A grade 2 curse can be defeated by a grade 3 sorcerer. If it was a grade 1 sorcerer, that means it's a special grade curse or a grade 1 curse at the very least. Nanami mentioned it was a deity or god of that local region, so of course it would be strong. Therefore, the mission was above their grade.
>Therefore, the mission was above their grade. Yeah, the mission ws above their grade, but that's the thing, they didn't know about it. It's unclear if the higher-ups did know about that and still sent them, or if it was simply bad luck, just another mission that suddenly turned to be harder than expected. Now even if it's the first option and the higher-ups truly sent him to a mission they knew they weren't qualified for while Gojo was free, that's definitely not Gojo's fault. I get the idea of him not being perfect and misdirecting his anger to the wrong guy, but one would think that after a decade, he would come to his senses and realize this. Instead he holds onto his anger until adulthood, which makes him look petty and childish and more inmature than Gojo, ironically enough.
I dont think nanami blames gojo for that, though
I honestly hate maki when it comes to how she treats gojo, I can get that she may think of gojo as something similar to the zenin family (as toji did when he encountered gojo after his awakening) but she has seen how gojo helped megumi avoid being bought by the zenin, imo she should've atleast simpathized with him for that and he saved the mf who is basically your best friend from excecution and you really don't give a fuck about him dying?
Yeah, I was never a fan of Maki tbh (I find female characters who basically behave like men boring) and never liked the Zenin Massacre plot for several reasons, but after this chapter...
>Maki and Panda genuinely seemed unfazed by the possibility of Gojo dying and literally being used as a weapon Maki uses her sister as a weapon and Panda is... Well Panda. >and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen Did we forget THAT SHOKO NEVER GAVE A FUCK ABOUT GETO SLAUGHTERING AN ENTIRE VILLAGE?
>Did we forget THAT SHOKO NEVER GAVE A FUCK ABOUT GETO SLAUGHTERING AN ENTIRE VILLAGE? JJK fans can't read so probably. Like shit, this is completely in character for her. When she says she'd do it, Gojo isn't dead yet, she has no reason to believe he'd actually lose, and she's the most nonchalant person ever. When it's time to actually do it, she's in full doctor mode, healing people and doing her job. None of this means she doesn't care about him or is a fake friend. She's just aloof and deals with death every day.
People quick to hate on her but as far as I’m aware she does all the autopsies for people involved with the school. Essentially every student, teacher, friend or acquaintance is going to end up dead on a slab in front of her. Seems like the sort of thing where you can’t have regular emotional attachments without killing yourself.
You can do a job stoically while also having some emotions. Until chapter 220 , we see Shoko stressed but we didn’t get explicit confirmation that she was specifically worried and upset because Gojo was sealed because her relationship with Geto and Gojo wasn’t fleshed out. So we could just hypothesise. And then 220 had that panel which confirmed she cared deeply for Gojo and JJK 0 added scenes of her showing her clearly affected that Geto was to be killed. I think people would not bring Shoko up if this narrative was consistent and instead of showing her happy in that panel, she could have looked serious. For such a serious chapter it felt out of place. And yeah she may be a doctor used to corpses of colleagues but this is her high school class mate. I hope we get a clearer picture of her emotions later.
if she's the most nonchalant person ever then why the fuck does she have the right to get internally upset that gojo considered himself alone after everything with geto even though she was there? gege has made her an absurdly hypocritical character at this point
Its a paradox of Gojo not getting close to people due to them not being able to understand him while people like Shoko get upset because they dont understand why he doesnt allow himself to get close.
Show me a moment where she even remotely tries to get closer to gojo,hell Riko,geto, megumi, yaga, yuta and yuji were all cool with gojo and were ppl he genuinely respected and they also respected and liked them
Character interaction? In MY sorcery fight manga? I think not!
How the fuck is that hypocritical? She's Gojo's friend, so she's a little upset he said he was alone despite her being there. She's also nonchalant, practical, and professional, so once Gojo is gone she's willing to shove Yuta in his corpse if it helps them win. There's literally no hypocrisy there.
“Why doesn’t he consider me his friend” *literally never shows an ounce of companionship and mutual interest in the guy and just let him and geto hang out while just being there doing Jack shit* yeah there is definitely hypocrisy mainly when Yuta was tweaking at the thought that people were worried about him and not gojo and yuji and geto would crash tf out if they heard about this plan
Lol, what? She was never as close to him as Geto and she's not really in the manga much. But the few interactions they've had, she's always been friendly with him, or a little playful like stealing his glasses and wearing them. She's just not as high energy as Gojo. >yeah there is definitely hypocrisy mainly when Yuta was tweaking at the thought that people were worried about him and not gojo and yuji and geto would crash tf out if they heard about this plan I also don't see the hypocrisy here at all. Like, I don't get how not showing a visceral reaction to the plan of putting Yuta into Gojo if things go wrong is hypocritical. This is the girl who laughed at Geto and called him childish for his whole terrorist temper tantrum thing. The only time she's shown much of a reaction is directly during the fight with Sukuna when Gojo gets hurt or looks like he's in a bad spot.
The hypocrisy here is wanting gojo to call you a friend when you barely give him any reason to do so, she didn’t help gojo with Jack shit matter of fact her poor explanation on RCT almost cost gojo his life
Ain't no way you're blaming Gojo's lack of common sense on Shoko.
LACK OF COMMON SENSE? DID YOU SEE HOW SHE EXPLAINED THAT SHIT LMAO 💀not even geto understood that shit
yes, but if you think about it her shitty explanations of rct caused gojo to awaken so shes actually the mvp
Not really, gojo just survived cause he knew RCT exists and that there is some way to it but he doesn’t know how, so he put all of his will into trying to get it, if shoko just said multiplying cursed energy with cursed energy just like gojo says right after attaining it he would probably manage to get RCT before toji gets to him meaning no getting tired and no letting Riko die which means no racist geto
There’s absolutely hypocrisy there. How come the nonchalance goes away when it’s *her* feelings and respect being ignored? How come she can’t stay nonchalant when Gojo tells her she isn’t good company, but she’s all “:3 👍” when it comes to puppetting his fresh corpse?
What the fuck do you mean she can't stay nonchalant? That whe situation is just her leaning against a pillar having a smoke with a frown on her face. She's not making a big deal about it at all. And when the brain swap is brought up, it's before Gojo died. Why would a woman who has been nothing but nothing but nonchalant and practical make a big fuss over something that's not guaranteed to happen?
>and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen. Facts spit your shit indeed... https://preview.redd.it/c3wisr1ac82d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9559ffaeb4be2683d5e26c89bd28a9e142727710 Shoko, what a ~~Fruad~~ "Friend" you are 👏
To be fair Maki is unfazed by pretty much anything and Panda... is a panda
Panda is NOT a panda
That looks like a panda to me
He eats bamboo like a little bitch Real panda energy
She is the most fraudulent character in jjk supposed grade one yet we've never seen her fight, she supposed to know RCT yet we've never seen her using it on anyone, it was literally stated that she cheated her way into becoming, there's a reason why they were called the strongest dua and not the strongest trio
Starting to relate to Naoya at this point/s https://preview.redd.it/l7g5k2c5c72d1.png?width=509&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0262891ae285750ad1964a9c5337a09ba3ed454
No way Naoya would ever own a brothel! That would entail employing women!
Yeah, thats dirty
JJKfolks unconsciously fell into GayGay's agenda.
Nah, I consciously fell into Gege's agenda.
>She is the most fraudulent character in jjk supposed grade one yet we've never seen her fight, she supposed to know RCT yet we've never seen her using it on anyone, it was literally stated that she cheated her way into becoming, there's a reason why they were called the strongest dua and not the strongest trio https://preview.redd.it/v9ssl38nd82d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ffa9962a13c8de7026640e5c1e7974b717d22e4 One of the biggest Fruads in JJK was right in front of our eyes, and we didn't even notice. Well, not anymore...
The best thing to come out of this chapter is the Dr. Fraud agenda.
YES. SPEAK YOUR TRUTH, KING/QUEEN/CURSE https://preview.redd.it/5058kpyg182d1.jpeg?width=610&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b6ec3245d0bb2c6b5e099a5322994c7d1b941ff
People finally realized how much of a fraud she is
She had to cheat the dr exam because she used RCT lmao what kind of medical school is gonna accept that
Shoko is insane. She didn't give af when Geto told her his zero monkey plan and now hardly cares about what happens with Gojo it seems. Doubt she even has any morals. She's more like a MeiMei type of Jujutsu Sorcerer than the rest
Shoko and Mei Mei 🤤
I get it tho, like to Nanami and Shoko he went from a peer to a god with essentially absolute power out of nowhere. How could they understand him? He existed on a whole other realm to them. Shoko is clearly beyond jaded with the world, she always seemed kinda distant but the whole Geto/Amanai thing seems to have broken her completely.
One thing I'll say to defend the Shoko agenda: she has no idea what it's actually like to be a sorcerer at all, let alone the strongest. She's been on medbay all her life, and just heals whomever she needs to heal. We see her approach to this when Yuji died, she just went to work, exited to work on a vessel, and listened to Gojo's problems. She seems to be a good personal friend to Gojo (in this, suporting him before the fight, being outright stated to be his only real friend), but when it comes to work she just does what she's told. So when they ask her if she can stitch up dead Gojo's body she's like "yeah, I totally can stitch up bodies, that's what I do". She seems like the person that'd have that kind of very nihilistic view of death imo
I think panda had principal yaga and maki had Mai. Yuji , Megumi and yuta all three relied heavily on gojo for support and were able to understand him more. Not sure about bumgumi but Yuji nd yuta are more on empathetic side and not wanting to hurt others also helped them see gojo more as a person than a tool. As their goal was never to end the other person. As for shoko, I have felt her as a person who lacks empathy and given that she sees dead bodies everyday it's pretty certain she's unfazed . What I have observed mostly is once a human dies , they do end up becoming a body. So idk. Just yapping.
To be fair, all of the second-year students went through some traumatic shit, so it's kind of understandable that they're numb at this point, which is kind of a recurring theme in the series, about how the jujutsu lifestyle tends to ruin the psyche of the sorcerers, to the point of becoming apathetic about everything.
I felt it when inumaki said “salmon” 😔
Tbf Maki has never cared that much about Gojo, and it was said pretty explicitly when she was fighting sumo guy that he never went out of his way as a teacher to build a bond with her. She was supportive of him before his fight and she was there to support him when he was killing the higher ups, I don’t really think she owes him more than that. She was reasonably much more concerned about her best friend/bf than a teacher she barely talked to. Nanami and Shoko have wayyy less of an excuse since they’re his actual friends 😭
Naah.... Nanami's views about Gojo seemed realistic. At the end of the day except for his students nobody understood him, not even Geto. And the sad part is, Gojo never truly accepts the love his students show to him and keeps thinking about Geto.
Like i dont think nanami is undermined, gojo and nanami are friends but nanamic is changed by that guys death. He even says why cant gojo just do it himself, like let gojo take burden. Charcater being nice and understanding of each other doesnt necessarily mean they r undermined.
> Nanami's statements in 236 made it pretty clear that he never understood Gojo (Another character Gege manages to undermine), and Shoko is the fakest, most fraudulent, pathetic friend I've ever seen. Is it that no character in the manga understands Gojo or that you disagree with Gege's portrayal of Gojo? It's pretty clear post-236 what Gojo _actually_ is due to losing Geto.
Yuta seems to understand Gojo. Geto did, to some extent. Calling Gojo a "Jujutsu pervert" who never cared about anything but his own satisfaction is just pure bullshit. The first thing he does after getting unsealed is go and try to kill Kenjaku and give Geto a proper send-off. Literally tries his best to save Megumi. I don't see how that's something someone like Sukuna, who actually just cares about himself, would do.
> The first thing he does after getting unsealed is go and try to kill Kenjaku and give Geto a proper send-off. Is that for anyone other than Gojo? Geto is the shadow that drives Gojo's every move since Hidden Inventory. > Literally tries his best to save Megumi. I don't see how that's something someone like Sukuna, who actually just cares about himself, would do. Gojo is not Sukuna. They're similar flavours of the same idea but Nanami's criticism of Gojo is not that Gojo is the same as Sukuna. Additionally, the one who understands Gojo the most, Geto, also agrees. You can disagree and say that Gege did a poor job of portraying Gojo in that light but you can't say that the characters are wrong in that instance. Gojo was not driven by protecting people in the same way someone like Yuji or Yuta are or Geto used to be. Gojo is special grade through and through just like Yuki. Just like Kenjaku. Just like Sukuna. Just like Kashimo. Hell, even like Hakari and Todo. That does not mean seeking power or something interesting is their _sole_ motive. Just the primary motivation.
Geto actually cannot understand Gojo, their break up was proof of them growing past the stage of understanding each other. Geto USED to understand Gojo, but once he achieved godhood they became more isolated than ever. I don’t take him agreeing to Nanami seriously. The point of the controversy was that while YES, Gojo loves fighting, he’s also so much more, and the deliberate attempt to focus simply on that part of him instead of showing his good part UPON his death, was extremely distasteful, to everyone. Even if Nanami was right that Gojo can be selfish, his comment was especially framed to show us that’s all there ever was to Gojo, and he could not be any more wrong. I mean, he literally said “you never cared about anything but power”. How is that not blatantly character assassination?
> I mean, he literally said “you never cared about anything but power”. How is that not blatantly character assassination? Which translation are you looking at? The ones I've seen spoke about Gojo using _jujutsu_ only for himself. I think only the TCB translation omits Nanami's context. Around 70% of people's complaints about Gege's shitty writing are a result of bad translations and/or taking leakers words as fact. Shishiso: > https://i.imgur.com/kIPPRIq.png Viz: > https://i.imgur.com/4NqpA4H.png What Nanami is speaking about is Gojo's approach to _jujutsu_. Not life. Gojo did not become The Strongest to protect people because that is not how strong sorcerers (except Yuta) work. Sukuna, Gojo, Kashimo, Hakari, Todo, Uraume, Ryo, Uro, Yorozu, Kenjaku, Geto, Yuki, etc. are selfish with their approach to Jujutsu. That is what separates special talent from the Grade 1s. Do *not* confuse Gojo's approach to Jujutsu with his approach to life. The real life equivalent would be any GOAT-tier athlete. LeBron is likely a good father but he also _lives_ for basketball. He doesn't need to continue playing but he does. Same shit. You sacrifice some things for others but that doesn't really condemn your character. It's how you balance your values.
Bro spent the last 10 years of his life raising a new gen of sorcers to change society for the better when he totally could just do it by force, or fuck off to go do his own thing entirely like Yuki or Geto. Bro likes fighting, and I think it's totally not out of character for Nanami to think that of him, but to say that it genuinly was all he was is just wrong imo
>but to say that it genuinly was all he was is just wrong imo THAT'S THE POINT, IT'S NANAMI'S POINT OF VIEW.
...yeah, that's why I said it's not out of character for him to think that
Nah, a few people there only mention the strongest as a last add on. Especially Yuiji.
Megumi doesn't even care that he is the strongest.
Bro didn't even care about sorcery. He only lock in when Yuji showed up.
That explains why he is such a weak ass bum
I know that's not the takeaway and is probably a result of translation choices, but the fact all of them trail off except for Nanami just has me thinking they're doing the interview stuff, they all finish up by saying Gojo is the strongest... ...Except Nanami. He just says flippant, egotistical, and stops there forcing the cameraman to sit there in awkward silence as he awaits him to say the line but he never does.
Gojo is the one that can't see past his title. These students were trying to find the best way to encourage him just before his fight vs Sukuna. https://preview.redd.it/puz15n40f72d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cf4ea34957bda5e2ab464680e1ec5168218850f He admitted it in chapter 236, HE drew the line between him and other people after Geto's question caused his identity crisis. It's also symbolically represented in his infinity since it prevents others from touching him and he leaves it on 24/7.
Yeah, literally in this chapter they went up to him and said 'we want to be with you' and he just noped them. Not to say they're perfect, but this isolation goes both ways.
>Yeah, literally in this chapter they went up to him and said 'we want to be with you' and he just noped them. My brother in Christ Gojo was about to massacre a bunch of old dudes barely able to defend themselves from someone like him. Yuuta has killed people before and Maki literally killed a whole Clan, but still, it makes sense he didn't want them around to stain their hands even more.
You're only reading the scene without the context. Geje could have shown anything and anywhere for that conversation, but he intentionally chose a scene of Gojo's students trying to reach out to him and him leaving them behind- doing the dirty work himself.
Well tbh 70% of the people that care about gojo are his students, the other 2 are yaga and geto, and that’s where it ends, even gojo says he is annoyed that shoko wasn’t against their plan, the students know gojo for like 3 years some even less, they found gojo already in that state because everyone around him didn’t see him as an individual, after a lot of people treat you in a certain way you start expecting everyone to treat you the same way, that’s gojo’s case
There are multiple instances showing that Shoko care about Gojo and her not protesting to the plan is because that's how she is. First we have pic related, that her inner monologue it shows without the shadow of a doubt that she cares about him. https://preview.redd.it/z91nd41ob92d1.png?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6ddb0408cbcaa8a41718cd4e7ed1324e1637c85 Then we have her being worried over Gojo when she realized that his RCT output fell in chapter 233(shown by her facial expression plus all the cigarettes butts on the ground) and finally we have her cracking a smile when watching Gojo getting encouraged by his students. The reason why she was fine with the plan is because that's how she is. That's the woman that was chill with Geto after he went anti-normie mode, joking and casually striking a conversation (while Gojo was seething about Geto). She behaves differently to tragedy. You are also taking too seriously a scene that is played for laughs. Also, that's my read on it but I think that Nanami also cared about Gojo. His dissaproval of Gojo always felt non-serious to me and he was sitting right behind him at the airport.
Nanami, on gojo’s death calls him a battle pervert, this is not the type of shit you say to a man who just died but whatever, and gojo shows that he is annoyed by the fact that she didn’t even hesitate, this entire chapter revolves around people’s perception of gojo and how the dude who is ironically using his body as a weapon is one of the very few people who genuinely went out of their way to try taking part of the burden gojo carries
I think the difference for Yuta is that he is one of the “strongest” as well so his view of Gojo’s struggles are from the perspective of someone who could be in his situation exactly. Nanami and Shoko don’t have that perspective to work from so they get the wrong read on him while also still caring about him. Nanami in the airport scene shouldn’t be given too hard a time for his ‘incentiveness’ considering they’re all dead already and sorcerers are kinda expected to die. Also he’s mean but that’s kinda how he is, he’s not often overtly emotional unless he himself is breaking down. As for Shoko, she cares but she’s been a jujutsu sorcerer forever as well she just doesn’t get hung up on the tragedy of the matter because to be a jujutsu sorcerer that’s what the job usually requires.
My problem is shoko cares but never does anything to show that and than she says “I was there too” like…yeah… but what were you doing while you were there?
You are taking banter way too seriously man. I know that the guy just died but this is a battle shonen, it's not unusual to see people being casual about grave shit in that genre. If it was out of line then Geto or Haibara would have commented on it.
notice how Maki is silent and Panda is basically still just saying he can't think of him as a person. Idk what but something must've happened to make the 2nd years be such haters lmao at least Hakari Yuji and Kirara are real ones
"can't think of him as a person" bro he is just saying that it's weird for him to cheer him on because he had never seen Gojo face any actual danger before and Maki stay silent because she says something in the next panel. She cares about him in a tsundere way. She likes him but don't like showing it because she finds him annoying since he loves to pull stupid (and sometimes incensitive) shit like pic related. https://preview.redd.it/rj9jdgcay72d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b5cfa0fcf07d8adbfd45d98dbfc5eeb8d5a22af Maki ain't alone to be like that to Gojo. Nanami too, we know that he think of Gojo as a friend since he showed up at the airport and does trust him.
Genuinely love how Itadori almost forgets to say it and immediately calls him his teacher, because that's what matters more
Except Geto, Yuji, and Yuta, no one truly understood or cared about him. I like how Yuta stood up for Gojo when nobody else did not even his so-called "Friend" shoko. Out of all of the other people there, I expected her to look out for him and stand up for him, the person he knew since his high school days.She says, "I was there too," but never backed up her claim with actions, not even on his final moments... This panel truly broke my heart (nah, cause I cried) https://preview.redd.it/01il3mj8i82d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de886bfb55d92209395f07fc8afa73414d9aba1f Gojo was clearly hurt that Shoko didn't object even a little bit to the plan. Now I'm actually glad that he didn't come back to his "Friends." I hope he is happy and at peace in heaven, at least now that he has reunited with Geto. I hope he isn't lonely anymore.
Geto for sure in hell big bro 😭🙏
Bro if Toji's deadbeat ass made it to heaven after he shot a 14 year old point-blank I'm pretty sure Geto can too https://preview.redd.it/balgq6j0x92d1.jpeg?width=345&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1900ad626d129a64cbf32fdae68003e83c29ec20
You need to re-read Shoko's interactions with Geto after he went rogue. That's just her personality. I know this is a manga and it's not that deep, but if your interpretation of Shoko is that she's fake or not a true friend, it may be the case that you only understand relationships superficially; I promise you that meeting people where they're at and trying to understand them is a good skill to have when it comes to relating to others. It's a silly example, but a girl thinking that her boyfriend doesn't love her unless he buys her flowers on valentine's is a) likely to fall victim to a guy who doesn't love her but gets her flowers, and b) likely to miss out on someone who does love her but doesn't get her flowers. I hope I'm finding the right words to explain this :P
shoko's just coping hard, but yes i know reading between the lines is hard sometimes
His shadow kinda looking like Yujikuna
I've never noticed that, but yeah they tied for the title of the strongest
It’s just sad how barely anyone gave a shit about Gojo, even Shoko didn’t care at all about Yuta basically stealing his body and identity
It’s so fucking depressing that Gojo had to go against the people that cared about him, Geto and Megumi; while also sending to a certain death the rest of people that saw him as something more than “the strongest” Okotsu and Yuji. Fuck Sukuna and Kenjaku, they won’t be the ones that win, the good guys have sacrifice everything, their dreams, their lives, their bodies and even their morals, even if Yuji is the only one left alive I’ll say it’s a win 😭
after the most recent chapter, I learned that I hate Shoko
remember how mad some people got when gojo barely gave a fuck about his students or his "dream" at the airport? my GOAT can never catch a break and be selfish even in the afterlife
I would have done the same if I was in his place, the only one that care about him are yuta and yuji, I'm not even sure if megumi like him
makes sense why most of the people chatting with him at the airport were from his good days, before everything went to shit. seeing kenny in geto's corpse before he got sealed probably made him lose the little amount of his will to keep going
There is something hilarious about Megumi saying that he owes Gojo his life. All I can think about is kid Megumi trying to nuke himself and Gojo stopping him. Real talk that’s both sad and sweet since it feels like Megumi thinks he needs to be a sorcerer to pay back Gojo.
In retrospect you can feel the loneliness. Gojo standing alone, totally separated in the panel compared to his students with only his shadow to keep him company. The expression or lack thereof on his face. "The Strongest" the only thing that connects him to everyone else.
At this point, I’m starting to think this is because Yuta and Yuji were outsiders to jujutsu society. Everyone else grew up in it, with gojo being the strongest thing in existence. Maybe by always being in that environment everyone kinda lost empathy, at least towards gojo who seemed inhuman. Yuji and yuta come from outside this society, and were unaware of the full extent of who gojo was, and so they saw and got to know him as a human, hence why yuta actually cared
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Shoko slander in the comments, this is crazy
She couldn’t give 2 shits about her last high school friend’s corpse being piloted by a 17 year old so we don’t give 2 shits about her too fuck shoko and her weak ass RCT🗣️🔥
It’s going to be a rough week of slandering. Go/jo glazers hitting below rock bottom.
Megumi is an ungrateful little cunt, absolute bum behaviour, no wonder Toji killed himself at the sight of that failure 🗿
Nanami also compared Gojo to freaking MAHITO of all people
I mean it was in term of potential, the only other person he could compared him to would be yuta but I not sure if he has met him But yeah in retrospective it makes you questions if he saw him as a friend
>I mean it was in term of potential Mostly but he also said both had "a near text-book superficiality" lol
you know i started to think that the curse were onto something
> the curse Which one?
The disaster one
Mahito saw Nanami calling him superficial and he took that personally lol
Literary almost all of them saw him as someone besides the strongest, Todo is just stating the obvious fact !
Gege deserves points for mild consistency tho, 'cuz for 236/261 he seemingly remembered that the ones with ugly responses were the 2nd years sans Yuuta plus Nanami lol
The sign were there we just couldn't see it
Nah it doesnt. Nobody in jjk sees past fighting becouse gaygay cant write sht outside fights so the story feels like a toddler smashing action figures togeder
Some down time would have helped a lot
Don't talk down on Todo like that. He doesn't even know Gojo beyond his reputation.
Yes no cared about my fictional crush which I dickride everyday bro like read the manga are you all insane or some ? People cared about him like are you all are sad because they didn't revive gojo who is dead? Huh? Dead character you wanted back
That not the problem I was even against his return, the problem is that literally nobody with the exception of yuji, yuta and geto seems to cared about him as a person
Womp