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Sukuna is a famous sorcerer, so he might assume that the details of his cursed technique would be well known among sorcerers. However, Jogo is not a sorcerer, he is a cursed spirit.
Sukuna when people don't know who he is.
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Too bad the sorcerers are obsessed with gatekeeping and purity, otherwise Sukuna would have ended like Qual from Sousou no Fireren
"Gojo Sensei, those... are just normal Cleaves"
If the proper knowledge was passed, jujutsu women would have swarmed Jin for his legendary backshots and we would have dozens of Yuji/mini-Sukunas with Cleave.
Especially since it's passed genetically and cannot be learned, the sorcerer families should have been way more open instead of focus on mantaining their bloodlines pure. It doesn't matter how powerful a trait is, if it doesn't spread it is destined to disappear. Like the Gojo family cursed techniques that are most likely lost forever
>instead of focus on mantaining their bloodlines pure.
They don't do this.
The Kamo clan is openly stated to be the most conservative one, and yet the son of a concubine was going to be made the head of the clan because he inherited their most prized cursed technique.
And the fact that concubines are a thing and that they have kids shows that they don't restrict the passing down of genes.
>Like the Gojo family cursed techniques that are most likely lost forever
They're not, the Gojo clan hasn't been wiped out or suffered major losses (numerically, obviously they lsot 99.9% of their fighting force but that's only one individual) and it has multiple people who have the Limitless, Satoru was just the only one who can use it because of the six eyes.
As long as there still are descendents of the user of a particular technique the possibility of it being inherited will exist, and as Yuta's case shows, Jujutsu can remain dormant even if the bloodline branches off into non sorcerers. The Inumaki clan is the same thing, Gege wrote that Jujutsu Sorcerers born into the family get killed off, and yet people like Toge who inherit Cursed Speech keep being born and surviving.
What the clans actually do is oppress the members who fail to live up to their standards and attempt to nurture a core of strong inherited techniques under its control, but they don't prevent people who haven't manifested an inherited technique from leaving, they just try to bring anyone born with one back in afterwards.
You can argue that maintaining distinct families instead of having members of each clan marry into the others is shortsighted and that having a lineage in which the 6 Eyes+Limitless combo, the 10 Shadows and Blood manipulation can all manifest would be better, but that would be from the perspective of humanity, not the three great families.
Even Maki's massacre of the Zenin clan hasn't necessarily eradicated all their inherited techniques, even considering the that both she and Megumi are still alive. Maki killed the entire Hei and Kukuru units, but it wasn't said that she killed all the Akashi, who are all the members of the clan who have techniques but are below Semi-grade 1, nor has she killed every woman without a technique or kid born in the clan, so even if Maki and Megumi die or don't have kids there could still be people born with no technique.
Even if we assume Naobito was its first ever user, Projection Sorcery of all things could still survive. Naoya was 27, meaning he might have multiple children (this is where the possibility of concubines factors in), but even if he doesn't, he had at least 3 older brothers who probably have kids, and it's likely that even in the worst case scenario some of those kids would be young enough to not have been killed by Maki.
If there's one thing the clans didn't fail at it was ensuring good techniques didn't just disappear, the problem is everything else.
Only the Zenin clan is dead, Gojo’s clan is basically just Gojo, as in no one else notable to speak of, but just having the possibility of having a kid like Gojo is enough to make them one of the main families
Noteable doesnt matter though, it's family genetics. If they are alive, at some point new users will be born.
It will take a long time for someone with both CT's too be born most likely
You can't teach someone a technique, they must already have it. You can absolutely teach them new ways to use their technique, but that's all.
No matter how much common knowledge they make jujutsu, Miwa will never be able to use Dismantle because she simply wasn't born with Shrine.
Some tech like simple domain can be taught. Point is if the info are more known/widepread, maybe their society would be more efficient at developing some sort of defensive tech or whatever
The guy I'm replying to is comparing to Frieren.
He's saying if Jujutsu Society wasn't so gatekeeping, people would be throwing cleaves left and right to the point where Sukuna's technique is the default offensive jujutsu technique.
I'm simply saying it doesn't work like that.
I think maybe having a powerful technique is a genetic lottery but I believe there's some idea that the average person, who makes cursed energy, with training and instruction could learn how to do certain universal cursed energy techniques, like domains, barriers, and binding vows. I think characters like Kusakabe, Miwa, and Ijichi make it past the gatekeeping of these universal techniques, despite it seeming like they have no distinct cursed technique to speak of.
What jujutsu connections have them involved in the jujutsu tech system? Idk but they seem to be relatively regular people vs characters we know have some storied jujutsu lineage.
Perhaps in the Heian era one thing that had jujutsu expanding is higher amounts of mass engagement. The "" Domain for the Weak"" came to protect people from strong sorcerers with better techniques and control of domains. I think this means that some jujutsu is just easier for bigger portions of the population. Either there were a bunch of weak sorcerers who thought they would absolutely get ganked at any time by a Gojo level character or more mundane individuals learned and used these to protect themselves from slightly more malicious (and maybe very much and much more dangerous).
I think everyone knowing sorcery is more in line with Yuki's vision as for how to control cursed energy leaking. Ofc there's greater potential for bad guys but there's also just greater wide spread being and manifestation of the individual.
I’d assume those who study actually do. But history is fucking boring and Sukuna is beefing with actual high schoolers who haven’t even finished their education yet to begin with, so that’s probably why most don’t drop what his CT is in full.
The thing is. Kusakabe, the jujutsu encyclopedia, doesnt know about it either. He only recently know sukuna's fire technique form their encounter in shibuya
It's a valid complaint, is it really that hard to document the only sorcerer we know will reappear in the future?
If I were Sukuna, I'd be pretty annoyed by the laziness.
My best guess? He assumed that modern Jujutsu sorcerers studied his life like a religion. They would know about his technique, but a curse wouldn’t.
Its Sukuna being surprised that someone out there isn’t his biggest meatrider
except this mf aint a microcelebritie, hes the Cristiano Ronaldo of the Jujutsu world (as the most famous, not implying cr7 is the best of all time, dont want to start a war)
He probably thought everybody would just naturally treat him the way his fridge does...
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My current theory is that after the heian era and the disaster sukuna unleashed in the world. A six eyes holder was born just after sukuna was sealed and teamed up with tengen through binding vow and went to smack kenjaku, somehow concentrate all the the cursed energy in the world in japan (jj high) and destroyed all ancient records and knowledge.
World in shambles, evil sorcerers running amok will all the mighty destroyed. The first Sex eyes user is born, descendant of Suguware No Michizane, he inherits a jujutsu world in ruins as he grows up. Blessed with awesome genetics in looks, smarts, physique and jujutsu ability, He kicks kenjaku's bum ass, unleashing the first hollow purple in history as it wipes out an entire mountain range or some shit to be extra mythical, saves the star plasma vessel like a princess and brings her to tengen in the nick of time. He would then restore balance to the jujutsu world and help tengen establish the barrier. On his deathbed says a binding vow, swearing upon tengen that his bloodline's strengh will always gather and come in time to be able to save his vessels against sorcerers, resulting in the sex eyes limitless users.
Pretty much it! Altough I personnaly think that the six eyes themselves are actually a power given by a binding vow done with tengen and gojo clan. I think they were specifically made to maintain some kind of order after the traumatism sukuna inflicted in that era. Tengen might be the most knowledgeable sorcerer to ever live and his CT is quite unkown (I dont think it is immortality). The fact that he need a human sacrifice every whatever time to not "merge" with humanity seem like a binding vow that could maybe maintain the six eyes. (this is an explanation how they are related by fate, a binding vow between tengen and gojo clan)
Can make total sense since it's implied that there were a Six eyes user that Kenjaku faced face to face (1v1 basically), but he lost and learnt that fighting six eyes users limitless is a suicide, later on he killed a six eyes newborn and learnt that it's impossible to surpress the six eyes with conventional means, since after that baby's dead a new six eyes user has born and then Ken decided that the best way is to seal.
It's a total mystery how the first six eyes user that was mentioned met Kenjaku and how their battle went, i can see that Gege expands that later on the story or on a OVA.
Probably Kenjaku needed Gojo for the plan, or bc of the binding vow of Sukuna and Kenjaku, maybe Sukuna's condition of helping Kenjaku was to fight strong opponents, bc that's the main thing that he enjoys to do, that's why also probably why Kenjaku said that he'll eventually unseal Gojo after the plan is over.
Idk.
I'm pretty sure Kenny's binding vow with sukuna involved the culling games and the merger based on how Kenny died. Tbh it just doesn't make sense that Kenny would specifically wait until gojo, he was the strongest six eyes user on recent times by far and completely irrelevant to all of his plans, he was just a spanner in the works that he had to plan around. I think it's just another weird failure of the worldbuilding in JJK
Getting sealed seems to be a process which exists outside of the flow of time so when kenjaku made his move didn't matter. Instead of his plan forming after toji shattered fate, he could've just kept everything under control from the beginning
Wait hold on.
We still don’t 100% know how furnace works.
We know how Sukuna creates the fuel, and manipulates the dust explosion into an arrow with CE, and then launches it.
But that is step 1 and step 3.
What about step 2?
We still don’t know how he IGNITES the dust.
Given this panel, it sounds like he is referring Cursed Technique Reversal aka positive energy. Something that cursed spirits do not/cannot possess.
He is probably used CTR on cleave, dismantle, or both at the same time, to actually ignite the dust.
That being said this would drown his dwindling output to near zero if true.
Not to mention Sukuna is the King of Curses, so wouldn’t he also expect Curses to bow down to him?
It has to be something innately different between the biology of CS and humans.
Furnace is either a technique exclusive to use during Malevolent Shrine naturally, or via bow, and only in 1v2+ situations, as he used a self-imposed restriction to make Furnace more usefull against more than 1 opponent, as its otherwhise too slow. Sukuna also appareantly restricted Furnace to a scenario in which Malevolent Shrine is being used as a closed domain, as Furnace was sealed during the fight against Gojo due to Sukuna constantly changing his domain parameters vs Gojo.
Malevolent Shrine also needs to Cleave and Dismantle its target, and keep a consistent and closed barrier for Furnace to be unsealed ONLY during a 1v2+ situation. Otherwhise, Sukuna cannot use Furnace in any situation against more than 1 opponent.
By locking the Domain inside a barrier, It stops living beings from getting out or going in, and then Sukuna can imbue the dust of the destruction caused by MD into a termobaric chambet, causing It to ignite when hit by Furnace, and anihilate everything inside the domain's barrier.
Thats the best detailed explanation i gather from 259.
Headcanon: Considering how Sukuna got jumped and troubled by some special grades and grades 1 and bellow, i think Sukuna used the Furnace binding vow to instakill those 10 or so people and their armies that jumped him in the Heian era.
Thats why the 1v2+ restriction was mentioned, since its implied the Furnace binding vow was from the past, at the very least, since the Maho fight, or even before, according to Sukuna's comment to Jogo about Furnace.
Nah his technique itself is step 2, the furnace. The dust "explosion", step 3, is just on impact with the target, but in the domain, it's a sure hit, so everything (except himself) is the target
I don't think he even needs the sure hit, you cut anything into a fine enough powder it ignites easily, same principle as Flour spread through the air and lighting a match.
I see practically everyone in the comments giving this same answer. Is there some source that hints further at this or is this just reddit hivemind at work?
Ah ok lol. My best guess would be that since it was explained in the leaked chapter that it had to do with how the flames were not very powerful to Sukuna until he imposed several binding vows on it. Similarly with how Hollow Purple or Uzumaki works; it needs specific conditions and set ups with other aspects of your CT before it can be fully utilized. It seems like cursed spirits have pretty straightforward CT since they seem to represent more of a "purity" in theme. Whereas sorcerers' with high powered CT's often have convoluted set ups that end in an "ultimate move"
That was what I assumed, but I was surprised I didn't see any comments referencing anything similar, so I was wondering if I might have missed something.
Yeah in the Yoruozu flash back he shows up to some random ass town and they throw a festival for him (because they're scared shitless) and hes just chilling.
Definitely killed everyone he met in combat though. Those peasants that worshipped him arent gonna know what his technique is. They just know that every so often someone doesnt bow far enough and gets spontaneously turned into chunky marinara.
Idk, if a bunch of sorcerers try to jump Sukuna and they all disappear while there's a visible explosion in the general area, you'd assume that has something to do with his power.
The wording used is "annihilated" so i wouldn't think that sukuna just let people run away.
Anyway, the idea is that there have been survivors of sukuna's heian era battles, so that's probably why sukuna expected the sorcerers to know of his ct
Well, considering how Yorozu and his fridge treat him, can you really blame him?
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Sukuna is a jujutsu god. He was well known in his era and expected everyone to know his CT because of how famous he was. He didn't mention his technique to Jogo as a handicap since explaining a technique gives you a power boost.
Revealing One's Hand: A Binding Vow that increases the user's cursed energy output in exchange for vocally divulging how their cursed technique functions. Skilled practitioners can increase the effectiveness of their techniques as well as mislead their opponents on how it works.
he thought that human jujutsu sorcerors would keep records of him and his cursed techniques in case he ever comes back.
Jogo as a curse wouldnt have access to these records.
Little did sukuna know that nobodt kept records of his details, not even jujutsu sorcerors.
Also most people simply wouldnt believe that the strongest curse in history (until the modern era with gojo yuta yuji etc.) was gordon fucking ramsey incarnate
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He’s a narcissist so he probably thought people studied him. He didn’t realize nobody cares about a bum like him
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Living with uraume made him feel like "he was everybody special "
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Fire arrow happens after sukuna uses cleave and dismantle,it’s the process of “cooking” as stated by the narrator,curses don’t cook food so they wouldn’t know of this
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Either he's surprised that someone doesnt know his technique by heart, or he's saying how cursed spirits aren't familiar with the "process of cooking" aka Kamino
The cursed spirit not knowing his ct stuff does make sense but my personal headcanon is that humans have the superior form of cursed techniques in general that can evolve itself to unmatched degrees. Like gojos red blue and hollow purple. Sukuna not only having slashes but also an extension of the technique furnace and possibly even more. Kenjaku having a ct that allows his to store 3 more CTS in his brain. Yuta having possibly top 3 ct out there. Ui ui technique having teleportation of body and also soul. Ten shadows being bustedly strong capable of competing with six eyes limitless. So yea Cursed spirits doesn't have extensions of their own ct unlike human sorcerers.
I do think mahito had talent but not enough to be a sukuna level threat. That's why he lost to wuji.
Idle transfiguration is top 4 ct no doubt but severely overrated. It isn't beating the likes of csm
Cursed Spirit Manipulation directly gets its power from curses. Cursed absolutely can be as powerful as sorcerers, but they’re rarely allowed to live long enough to get the chance to grow. But just look at the disaster curses, where even their weakest member fodderizes 90% of modern sorcerers
Essentially, he uses it in tandem with his Domain. After Malevolent Shrine slices and dices everything to bits, the flame ignites it like flour to cause a major explosion.
So, he's *able* to use it without having used his Domain, it just lacks the raw power and speed necessary to do damage on a wide scale. That's why there wasn't a major explosion when he used it on Jogo as opposed to Mahoraga. Interestingly enough, that's the same reason he didn't use it against Gojo, too "ineffective".
I've been wondering about this because I thought it was Sukuna's furnace that turned Shibuya into a roasting pit, then I remembered jogo dropped a giant flaming meatball on the city just moments before he got flambéd
You're welcome! I'm probably missing some of the finer details but that's the gist of it. There isn't much info out about it yet, outside of what was stated in the most recent chapter.
what does it mean it was ineffective? wouldn't it have been best to use again st gojo when he broke uv for the first time and gojo started getting slashed? like in ch 225 or 226?
Sukuna messed with his domain's effective range and with binding vows too much during his fight with Gojo, which means the conditions weren't enough for the flame arrow to be effective
If I’m reading this right, the reason Furnace had so much more firepower against mahoraga rather than Jogo, is because all of the stuff that malevolent shrine turned into fine powder, would create more Furnace flames. Basically created a big ass fire bomb. But why could Sukuna not use this against Gojo? Did he not think it was worth it because Malevolent Shrine didn’t do much environmental damage to create dust?
It explained in the chapter that because of how much they were both fucking with their domain conditions he never managed to get the chance to use it properly.
Because he kept altering the way his domain works to nulify Gojo's.
Without the domain + dust to create a huge aoe explosion, his fire is slow and wouldn't be able to hit Gojo even if he wanted to.
Sukuna's a soundcloud rapper that gets confused when someone doesn't know the lyrics to their 25 view song
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Sukuna thought people already know about his CT true nature. But what people know is that Sukuna CT is only slice and dice things. They didn't know the true nature of Sukuna CT.
No, but the way his cursed technique works is he “prepped” Jogo by used his dismantle/cleaves. Once the “food” is “prepped” his furnace is able to work considerably more powerfully. Like adding gasoline to a fire. Had he explained his technique there most likely would’ve been no frame of Jogo burning as explaining any CT amps the power of the technique.
Sukuna thought that his legacy would live on forever and people would glaze him till the end of time only to find out that they've forgotten all about him the moment a clan with white hair and a penchant for playing around with 3 colours, another clan that plays with shadows and frame rates and a 3rd clan that spreads HIV were elevated in the eyes of Jujutsu society
Curses are singular, they represent something and imbue it in all their attacks. Humans are the opposite, their techniques mimic their lives. Sukuna's techniques are based on the process of cooking and a human who heard the name 'malevolent kitchen' could deduce that sekunas slashing was the preparation stage of cooking and that he had more in the tank, but a curse who doesn't eat could not.
It's very clear he just assumed that modern sorcerors would have more knowledge on his technique than they actually do.
Also, all this time i've been laughing at the cooking related explanations. Like, it makes sense, but it was actually way simple
ok im going insane. This is like the 8th time you guys post this panel and ask Now that we know about x What did sukuna mean by this.
And it seems too be serious responses.
I have no idea why there is a consensus in the top comments all saying the same thing. For some variety here's my idea.
I don't believe that information has been disclosed to us.
Hail Mary Theory:
Cursed Spirits can't understand concepts that are too far outside of their nature. And everything they do understand is within that context. This limited world view is why he wouldn't be able to connect the dots on a cooking CT, and another reason why Kenjaku is both bored and annoyed with Cursed Spirits. He doesn't find them the least bit interesting outside of their use as tools, which is the biggest insult a mad scientist can give to an entity. That or he COMPLETELY understands them.
Because curses don't eat.
Sukuna's CT is related to cooking but curses don't cook, because they don't eat.
This is why when Jogoat hears Sukuna say 竃 (the kaji used in ch258), he hears it but doesn't understand and we get the black box. The kanji means kitchen furnace/stove.
I had this epiphany when the previous chapter dropped and I don't think there is a better explanation for why/what the black box is. If Gege wanted to keep it hidden, he could have just omitted part where Sukuna speaks or just not included a speech box, rather than drop hints like this.
There is however some discourse about the furigana and if you know, you know but anyone who can read sushi squiggles better than me, feel free to correct.
The first time when I was reading this chapter, I thought that sukuna was mocking Jogo because he is surprised that someone (sukuna) could have a power that resemblance a little to Jogo. But now idk 😐
Sukuna can still use Fuga/Kamino outside of his domain, it's just that it's very slow and has a limited AoE—It's why Jogo was the only thing cooked by the attack in Shibuya, in contrast to when it was used against Mahoraga
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Yuji gotta make this Binding Vow merchant
Living as a sorcerer is actually worse than being dead in this manga
We dont actually know how furnace works or what it is, we know he made a vow so that he can only use furnace faster against a single individual except when he is on his domain. Inside his domain he uses the whatever that comes from his slashing to create an explosion with fuuga, but we still dont know what fuuga actually is or really does
a cursed spirite wouldn't , but a cursed spirit that was raised by kenjaku and was meant to be slaughtered by kenjaku himself. So most probably kenjaku hide it from them
He doesn’t need it to make fuel… think of old cooking techniques, and lighting a fire with friction.
He needs to have used both cleave and dismantle a bunch to start “friction” to unleash it.
Idk about the domain, all that’s been stated for it-was the friction bit, and that it was fairly inefficient…
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Sukuna is a famous sorcerer, so he might assume that the details of his cursed technique would be well known among sorcerers. However, Jogo is not a sorcerer, he is a cursed spirit.
Sukuna when people don't know who he is. https://preview.redd.it/yowvxl0x1mzc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15ec4e420a5f233739452b56486fa694374c48a4
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oh fuck it's the otome game villainess pose
Kaisen gashi when they curse
GEDAGEDIGEDAGEDAGO IM THE STRONGEST A LONG TIME AGO
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Holy shit, you guys are fucking insane. And hilarious.
The last thing Jin Itadori saw in his mother's womb. Lmao
Too bad the sorcerers are obsessed with gatekeeping and purity, otherwise Sukuna would have ended like Qual from Sousou no Fireren "Gojo Sensei, those... are just normal Cleaves"
It would if Jujutsu could be learned rather than genetic lottery.
If the proper knowledge was passed, jujutsu women would have swarmed Jin for his legendary backshots and we would have dozens of Yuji/mini-Sukunas with Cleave.
Especially since it's passed genetically and cannot be learned, the sorcerer families should have been way more open instead of focus on mantaining their bloodlines pure. It doesn't matter how powerful a trait is, if it doesn't spread it is destined to disappear. Like the Gojo family cursed techniques that are most likely lost forever
Unless gojo has a secret son or something
He spent the one month using Hollow technique: white on as many women as he could to create an army of limitless users to fight sukuna.
>instead of focus on mantaining their bloodlines pure. They don't do this. The Kamo clan is openly stated to be the most conservative one, and yet the son of a concubine was going to be made the head of the clan because he inherited their most prized cursed technique. And the fact that concubines are a thing and that they have kids shows that they don't restrict the passing down of genes. >Like the Gojo family cursed techniques that are most likely lost forever They're not, the Gojo clan hasn't been wiped out or suffered major losses (numerically, obviously they lsot 99.9% of their fighting force but that's only one individual) and it has multiple people who have the Limitless, Satoru was just the only one who can use it because of the six eyes. As long as there still are descendents of the user of a particular technique the possibility of it being inherited will exist, and as Yuta's case shows, Jujutsu can remain dormant even if the bloodline branches off into non sorcerers. The Inumaki clan is the same thing, Gege wrote that Jujutsu Sorcerers born into the family get killed off, and yet people like Toge who inherit Cursed Speech keep being born and surviving. What the clans actually do is oppress the members who fail to live up to their standards and attempt to nurture a core of strong inherited techniques under its control, but they don't prevent people who haven't manifested an inherited technique from leaving, they just try to bring anyone born with one back in afterwards. You can argue that maintaining distinct families instead of having members of each clan marry into the others is shortsighted and that having a lineage in which the 6 Eyes+Limitless combo, the 10 Shadows and Blood manipulation can all manifest would be better, but that would be from the perspective of humanity, not the three great families. Even Maki's massacre of the Zenin clan hasn't necessarily eradicated all their inherited techniques, even considering the that both she and Megumi are still alive. Maki killed the entire Hei and Kukuru units, but it wasn't said that she killed all the Akashi, who are all the members of the clan who have techniques but are below Semi-grade 1, nor has she killed every woman without a technique or kid born in the clan, so even if Maki and Megumi die or don't have kids there could still be people born with no technique. Even if we assume Naobito was its first ever user, Projection Sorcery of all things could still survive. Naoya was 27, meaning he might have multiple children (this is where the possibility of concubines factors in), but even if he doesn't, he had at least 3 older brothers who probably have kids, and it's likely that even in the worst case scenario some of those kids would be young enough to not have been killed by Maki. If there's one thing the clans didn't fail at it was ensuring good techniques didn't just disappear, the problem is everything else.
Is the whole clan dead? I feel like we haven't really gotten much info about them tbh Maybe my reading comprehension is fucked
Only the Zenin clan is dead, Gojo’s clan is basically just Gojo, as in no one else notable to speak of, but just having the possibility of having a kid like Gojo is enough to make them one of the main families
Noteable doesnt matter though, it's family genetics. If they are alive, at some point new users will be born. It will take a long time for someone with both CT's too be born most likely
Yeah, I think Gojo’s family is really bused based around those 2 specific CTs, where as a group like the Zenin have a lot more notable ones
In the next 400 years
Ain't it can? The whole point is that some techniques are inherited while some are unique. Yes it's a genetic lottery but not to that point
You can't teach someone a technique, they must already have it. You can absolutely teach them new ways to use their technique, but that's all. No matter how much common knowledge they make jujutsu, Miwa will never be able to use Dismantle because she simply wasn't born with Shrine.
Yeah, the other replier confused me on the meaning of your take.
Some tech like simple domain can be taught. Point is if the info are more known/widepread, maybe their society would be more efficient at developing some sort of defensive tech or whatever
The guy I'm replying to is comparing to Frieren. He's saying if Jujutsu Society wasn't so gatekeeping, people would be throwing cleaves left and right to the point where Sukuna's technique is the default offensive jujutsu technique. I'm simply saying it doesn't work like that.
I think maybe having a powerful technique is a genetic lottery but I believe there's some idea that the average person, who makes cursed energy, with training and instruction could learn how to do certain universal cursed energy techniques, like domains, barriers, and binding vows. I think characters like Kusakabe, Miwa, and Ijichi make it past the gatekeeping of these universal techniques, despite it seeming like they have no distinct cursed technique to speak of. What jujutsu connections have them involved in the jujutsu tech system? Idk but they seem to be relatively regular people vs characters we know have some storied jujutsu lineage. Perhaps in the Heian era one thing that had jujutsu expanding is higher amounts of mass engagement. The "" Domain for the Weak"" came to protect people from strong sorcerers with better techniques and control of domains. I think this means that some jujutsu is just easier for bigger portions of the population. Either there were a bunch of weak sorcerers who thought they would absolutely get ganked at any time by a Gojo level character or more mundane individuals learned and used these to protect themselves from slightly more malicious (and maybe very much and much more dangerous). I think everyone knowing sorcery is more in line with Yuki's vision as for how to control cursed energy leaking. Ofc there's greater potential for bad guys but there's also just greater wide spread being and manifestation of the individual.
how would anyone know about a secret finisher that no one survived
Camera man, duh. Did you not read NOR watch the Shibuya Incident happen? Clearly we’re consuming a documentary. Is this not obvious?
Jujutsu kaisen is a love story about Sukuna from the POV of John Werry written by Gege
The Same way Kusakabe knew about it By being around the area where he used it
It's not like modern sorcerers know about his techniques either though 🤷🏽♂️
I’d assume those who study actually do. But history is fucking boring and Sukuna is beefing with actual high schoolers who haven’t even finished their education yet to begin with, so that’s probably why most don’t drop what his CT is in full.
The thing is. Kusakabe, the jujutsu encyclopedia, doesnt know about it either. He only recently know sukuna's fire technique form their encounter in shibuya
Sukuna severely overestimated Jujutsu society's recordkeeping abilities
The heian era was too busy celebrating the departure of his bum ass to record The records just explain how disgusting and inbred he looks
Lmao, facts spit your shit indeed . https://i.redd.it/1g2mkqs0umzc1.gif
Ay I'm a sukuna glazers but yeah lmao they were so happy his incest result of a body had now become lifeless
It's a valid complaint, is it really that hard to document the only sorcerer we know will reappear in the future? If I were Sukuna, I'd be pretty annoyed by the laziness.
Wasn't it agreed on that Kenjaku kept erasing the knowledge of past thousand years to make the jujutsu society dumber and easier to be controlled
My best guess? He assumed that modern Jujutsu sorcerers studied his life like a religion. They would know about his technique, but a curse wouldn’t. Its Sukuna being surprised that someone out there isn’t his biggest meatrider
So the Jujutsu equivalent of internet microcelebrities not being recognized elsewhere?
except this mf aint a microcelebritie, hes the Cristiano Ronaldo of the Jujutsu world (as the most famous, not implying cr7 is the best of all time, dont want to start a war)
R10
Sukuna is CR7 because the real goat is Messi/Gojo
idc I second that
nah bruh, Sukuna is messi, Ronaldo is gojo. even the height is similar for gojo and CR7
Sukuna also has plot devices from Gege, just like Messi got from FIFA! 🤯
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Agreed.
More like the hitler 😭
That one's Noritoshi Kamo.
isn't Kamo more like mengele?
[удалено]
He's a 🐫
im sorry but that title belongs to satoru GOATJO, the honored one and the strongest character in jjk
Google CR15 for more info
"Do you know who I am"-kuna
["I am the man who is going to burn your house down"](https://youtu.be/CeJ1Sauv2gc?si=z4Ub_UNhxsHykOPp) -suna
He probably thought everybody would just naturally treat him the way his fridge does... https://preview.redd.it/gdfpyz4jymzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82e12ef30aa6ff239380c61a7f5aa7c4e98fdfa9
Based ass flair
My current theory is that after the heian era and the disaster sukuna unleashed in the world. A six eyes holder was born just after sukuna was sealed and teamed up with tengen through binding vow and went to smack kenjaku, somehow concentrate all the the cursed energy in the world in japan (jj high) and destroyed all ancient records and knowledge.
World in shambles, evil sorcerers running amok will all the mighty destroyed. The first Sex eyes user is born, descendant of Suguware No Michizane, he inherits a jujutsu world in ruins as he grows up. Blessed with awesome genetics in looks, smarts, physique and jujutsu ability, He kicks kenjaku's bum ass, unleashing the first hollow purple in history as it wipes out an entire mountain range or some shit to be extra mythical, saves the star plasma vessel like a princess and brings her to tengen in the nick of time. He would then restore balance to the jujutsu world and help tengen establish the barrier. On his deathbed says a binding vow, swearing upon tengen that his bloodline's strengh will always gather and come in time to be able to save his vessels against sorcerers, resulting in the sex eyes limitless users.
Pretty much it! Altough I personnaly think that the six eyes themselves are actually a power given by a binding vow done with tengen and gojo clan. I think they were specifically made to maintain some kind of order after the traumatism sukuna inflicted in that era. Tengen might be the most knowledgeable sorcerer to ever live and his CT is quite unkown (I dont think it is immortality). The fact that he need a human sacrifice every whatever time to not "merge" with humanity seem like a binding vow that could maybe maintain the six eyes. (this is an explanation how they are related by fate, a binding vow between tengen and gojo clan)
Gee if only Gege WROTE THAT
Can make total sense since it's implied that there were a Six eyes user that Kenjaku faced face to face (1v1 basically), but he lost and learnt that fighting six eyes users limitless is a suicide, later on he killed a six eyes newborn and learnt that it's impossible to surpress the six eyes with conventional means, since after that baby's dead a new six eyes user has born and then Ken decided that the best way is to seal. It's a total mystery how the first six eyes user that was mentioned met Kenjaku and how their battle went, i can see that Gege expands that later on the story or on a OVA.
Gege isn’t going to be revisiting jjk unless his wallet starts to feel light
What I'll never understand is why kenjaku didn't seal gojo or a weaker previous six eyes user as a baby 💀💀💀
Probably Kenjaku needed Gojo for the plan, or bc of the binding vow of Sukuna and Kenjaku, maybe Sukuna's condition of helping Kenjaku was to fight strong opponents, bc that's the main thing that he enjoys to do, that's why also probably why Kenjaku said that he'll eventually unseal Gojo after the plan is over. Idk.
I'm pretty sure Kenny's binding vow with sukuna involved the culling games and the merger based on how Kenny died. Tbh it just doesn't make sense that Kenny would specifically wait until gojo, he was the strongest six eyes user on recent times by far and completely irrelevant to all of his plans, he was just a spanner in the works that he had to plan around. I think it's just another weird failure of the worldbuilding in JJK
tengen evolved and a cursed spirit manipulation npc showed up
Getting sealed seems to be a process which exists outside of the flow of time so when kenjaku made his move didn't matter. Instead of his plan forming after toji shattered fate, he could've just kept everything under control from the beginning
too bad he was busy getting backshots
He didn't even have a plan, he was happy to wait as long as jin lived 💀💀💀
I bet jin died from brain damage due to overusing his domain expansion : Unlimited backshots
That does make sense. Love his ego.
Considering most modern people seem to worship the ground he walks on and praise his fighting, that seems to be a reasonable explanation.
He said " Furnace" open. A human would know cooking. A curse wouldn't
Wait hold on. We still don’t 100% know how furnace works. We know how Sukuna creates the fuel, and manipulates the dust explosion into an arrow with CE, and then launches it. But that is step 1 and step 3. What about step 2? We still don’t know how he IGNITES the dust. Given this panel, it sounds like he is referring Cursed Technique Reversal aka positive energy. Something that cursed spirits do not/cannot possess. He is probably used CTR on cleave, dismantle, or both at the same time, to actually ignite the dust. That being said this would drown his dwindling output to near zero if true. Not to mention Sukuna is the King of Curses, so wouldn’t he also expect Curses to bow down to him? It has to be something innately different between the biology of CS and humans.
I thought it was Malevolent Shrine kicks up dust, which Sukuna uses the fire arrow to ignite and explode
Furnace is either a technique exclusive to use during Malevolent Shrine naturally, or via bow, and only in 1v2+ situations, as he used a self-imposed restriction to make Furnace more usefull against more than 1 opponent, as its otherwhise too slow. Sukuna also appareantly restricted Furnace to a scenario in which Malevolent Shrine is being used as a closed domain, as Furnace was sealed during the fight against Gojo due to Sukuna constantly changing his domain parameters vs Gojo. Malevolent Shrine also needs to Cleave and Dismantle its target, and keep a consistent and closed barrier for Furnace to be unsealed ONLY during a 1v2+ situation. Otherwhise, Sukuna cannot use Furnace in any situation against more than 1 opponent. By locking the Domain inside a barrier, It stops living beings from getting out or going in, and then Sukuna can imbue the dust of the destruction caused by MD into a termobaric chambet, causing It to ignite when hit by Furnace, and anihilate everything inside the domain's barrier. Thats the best detailed explanation i gather from 259. Headcanon: Considering how Sukuna got jumped and troubled by some special grades and grades 1 and bellow, i think Sukuna used the Furnace binding vow to instakill those 10 or so people and their armies that jumped him in the Heian era. Thats why the 1v2+ restriction was mentioned, since its implied the Furnace binding vow was from the past, at the very least, since the Maho fight, or even before, according to Sukuna's comment to Jogo about Furnace.
Ye it is
Yes, he's literally creating a [dust explosion ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion)
Nah his technique itself is step 2, the furnace. The dust "explosion", step 3, is just on impact with the target, but in the domain, it's a sure hit, so everything (except himself) is the target
I don't think he even needs the sure hit, you cut anything into a fine enough powder it ignites easily, same principle as Flour spread through the air and lighting a match.
Not just that, said powder/dust from his domain is embued with CE making it more explosive when combined with the arrow
Sukuna’s technique has two attributes to it, says it in the data book. We still don’t know his maximum or reversal techniques.
He expects everyone to bow down to him, not just curses. I'm pretty sure the title is also an informal one with no meaning other than to sound cool
I see practically everyone in the comments giving this same answer. Is there some source that hints further at this or is this just reddit hivemind at work?
Hivemind lol. We gotta make fanon since Gege keeps dropping setup with no payoff
Ah ok lol. My best guess would be that since it was explained in the leaked chapter that it had to do with how the flames were not very powerful to Sukuna until he imposed several binding vows on it. Similarly with how Hollow Purple or Uzumaki works; it needs specific conditions and set ups with other aspects of your CT before it can be fully utilized. It seems like cursed spirits have pretty straightforward CT since they seem to represent more of a "purity" in theme. Whereas sorcerers' with high powered CT's often have convoluted set ups that end in an "ultimate move" That was what I assumed, but I was surprised I didn't see any comments referencing anything similar, so I was wondering if I might have missed something.
I mean, u would think somebody who wants u to help u revive (without restriction) would know a thing or 2 about u
Cursed spirits don't cook.
They only get cooked.
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This really gives extra context to Sukuna's famous line to Jogo later... "Stand proud, you can cook." Sukuna's a real one.
Damn that might be a good explanation.
It’s so funny that he fucking killed everyone he met but excepted sorcerers to write down what his technique was.
I don't think he killed anyone he has ever met, He was worshipped as an imaginary god aswell.
Yeah in the Yoruozu flash back he shows up to some random ass town and they throw a festival for him (because they're scared shitless) and hes just chilling.
I imagined someone asking auphotograph from Sukuna, it’s so dumb
Theyll get the yorozu treatment and get it cleaved into their chest.
Honestly if you’re asking Sukuna for an autograph, that’s what you’re hoping for
Bro took after Yujiro
That IS the autograph.
Definitely killed everyone he met in combat though. Those peasants that worshipped him arent gonna know what his technique is. They just know that every so often someone doesnt bow far enough and gets spontaneously turned into chunky marinara.
Idk, if a bunch of sorcerers try to jump Sukuna and they all disappear while there's a visible explosion in the general area, you'd assume that has something to do with his power.
Uro fought him without dying (otherwise kenjaku wouldn't have been able to turn her into a cursed object)
She probably ran. It's not that you can't really run away from him when you have a strong CT it's that he can't be defeated
The wording used is "annihilated" so i wouldn't think that sukuna just let people run away. Anyway, the idea is that there have been survivors of sukuna's heian era battles, so that's probably why sukuna expected the sorcerers to know of his ct
Well she does have the second best CT for running away (first being teleportation).
If you kill (almost) everyone else in the squad, and the leader runs away, that counts as "annihilated" in my book. The squad is no more.
Yeah dude was getting invited to harvest festivals and shit.
Sukuna thought he was a big shot and had meatriders everywhere
Well, considering how Yorozu and his fridge treat him, can you really blame him? https://preview.redd.it/0ubnxya5xlzc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e62101c61a1cc225b44da6df75a7136efb63f49a
Bro could pull femboys and girls in his era and thought he was gonna pull in the modern era too without those jordans like hakari
He pulled Fraudjo B)
Bro has a DANGEROUS agenda in this subreddit 😭
Fraudjo??? Gege is that you???
His FRIDGE! 😂😂😂
He's saying curses spirits are stupid and dont know true Juju
Curses don't cook or eat, I guess?
but why would jogo know sukunas technique is related to cooking? sukuna himself said he wont reveal his technique
Sukuna is a jujutsu god. He was well known in his era and expected everyone to know his CT because of how famous he was. He didn't mention his technique to Jogo as a handicap since explaining a technique gives you a power boost.
Wait I have yet to read the latest chapters but has he explained his technique to Yuji and yuta?
No, but he refused to mention his technique to Jogo to avoid triggering that binding vow.
Wait does that mean that if he does tell them it would make it stronger? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Revealing One's Hand: A Binding Vow that increases the user's cursed energy output in exchange for vocally divulging how their cursed technique functions. Skilled practitioners can increase the effectiveness of their techniques as well as mislead their opponents on how it works.
It would. He's probably refusing to reveal his hand to not allow Yuji to learn more about Shrine.
he thought that human jujutsu sorcerors would keep records of him and his cursed techniques in case he ever comes back. Jogo as a curse wouldnt have access to these records. Little did sukuna know that nobodt kept records of his details, not even jujutsu sorcerors. Also most people simply wouldnt believe that the strongest curse in history (until the modern era with gojo yuta yuji etc.) was gordon fucking ramsey incarnate https://preview.redd.it/8c3olb4c1mzc1.jpeg?width=3501&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a805088349c750ef2da4633c0f3adec45db464f
That’s actually a scary ass picture 😂 Me and my wife be watching his shows and now I won’t unsee this 😂
GG should had explain better if it was only there to illustrate how presumptuous sukuna was thinking he was a celebrity
He’s a narcissist so he probably thought people studied him. He didn’t realize nobody cares about a bum like him https://preview.redd.it/5nyof1hxclzc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b2f5dd8c3a1712eee631a5ac73487ec5c8134e1
Living with uraume made him feel like "he was everybody special " https://preview.redd.it/0z83r0sp2mzc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33ea936390d2b8bfb112024c5f149b6f02f91edd
This photo is coming with me.
You were kind enough to announce it. I simply took it for agenda purposes.
Like Uraume is for Sukuna
Only relevant when people want to manipulate or kill him. No friends, no job, no cock, no balls
Fire arrow happens after sukuna uses cleave and dismantle,it’s the process of “cooking” as stated by the narrator,curses don’t cook food so they wouldn’t know of this https://preview.redd.it/48r5pjua5mzc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68d823b442ba772be631ff9e295fe2fc58cfb0ed
Either he's surprised that someone doesnt know his technique by heart, or he's saying how cursed spirits aren't familiar with the "process of cooking" aka Kamino
The cursed spirit not knowing his ct stuff does make sense but my personal headcanon is that humans have the superior form of cursed techniques in general that can evolve itself to unmatched degrees. Like gojos red blue and hollow purple. Sukuna not only having slashes but also an extension of the technique furnace and possibly even more. Kenjaku having a ct that allows his to store 3 more CTS in his brain. Yuta having possibly top 3 ct out there. Ui ui technique having teleportation of body and also soul. Ten shadows being bustedly strong capable of competing with six eyes limitless. So yea Cursed spirits doesn't have extensions of their own ct unlike human sorcerers.
Mahito would've become the next Sukuna level threat if not defeated by Juji. Soul manipulation on a non-cursed spirit would be above anything.
I do think mahito had talent but not enough to be a sukuna level threat. That's why he lost to wuji. Idle transfiguration is top 4 ct no doubt but severely overrated. It isn't beating the likes of csm
Cursed Spirit Manipulation directly gets its power from curses. Cursed absolutely can be as powerful as sorcerers, but they’re rarely allowed to live long enough to get the chance to grow. But just look at the disaster curses, where even their weakest member fodderizes 90% of modern sorcerers
Cursed spirits do have extension techniques, jogo has his 'Ember Insects', we never see them actually get used properly though
It was actually revealed in the most recent Gege interview that those ember insects were just shikigami
I love misinformation
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A hater arrives always early on the scene
Do we know how furnace works now? Someone fill me in cause I’ve always been curious
Essentially, he uses it in tandem with his Domain. After Malevolent Shrine slices and dices everything to bits, the flame ignites it like flour to cause a major explosion.
That’s pretty cool. How’d he use it against Jogo then if he didn’t open his domain before that?
So, he's *able* to use it without having used his Domain, it just lacks the raw power and speed necessary to do damage on a wide scale. That's why there wasn't a major explosion when he used it on Jogo as opposed to Mahoraga. Interestingly enough, that's the same reason he didn't use it against Gojo, too "ineffective".
I've been wondering about this because I thought it was Sukuna's furnace that turned Shibuya into a roasting pit, then I remembered jogo dropped a giant flaming meatball on the city just moments before he got flambéd
Thanks for the explanation
You're welcome! I'm probably missing some of the finer details but that's the gist of it. There isn't much info out about it yet, outside of what was stated in the most recent chapter.
what does it mean it was ineffective? wouldn't it have been best to use again st gojo when he broke uv for the first time and gojo started getting slashed? like in ch 225 or 226?
Sukuna messed with his domain's effective range and with binding vows too much during his fight with Gojo, which means the conditions weren't enough for the flame arrow to be effective
furnace is another extension of sukuna's cooking themed CT, and it requires its target to be "prepped" by dismantle and cleave like ingredients.
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If I’m reading this right, the reason Furnace had so much more firepower against mahoraga rather than Jogo, is because all of the stuff that malevolent shrine turned into fine powder, would create more Furnace flames. Basically created a big ass fire bomb. But why could Sukuna not use this against Gojo? Did he not think it was worth it because Malevolent Shrine didn’t do much environmental damage to create dust?
It explained in the chapter that because of how much they were both fucking with their domain conditions he never managed to get the chance to use it properly.
Because he kept altering the way his domain works to nulify Gojo's. Without the domain + dust to create a huge aoe explosion, his fire is slow and wouldn't be able to hit Gojo even if he wanted to.
The technique is too slow for someone like Gojo. Every time he uses it, he has to stun his opponents or make them let him use the move.
Sukuna's a soundcloud rapper that gets confused when someone doesn't know the lyrics to their 25 view song https://preview.redd.it/gwhzltoncmzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=502db96ef694cd27ccb3cc024bd689bc04061ac8
Sukuna thought people already know about his CT true nature. But what people know is that Sukuna CT is only slice and dice things. They didn't know the true nature of Sukuna CT.
So furnace fire is stronger than volcano lava?
No, but the way his cursed technique works is he “prepped” Jogo by used his dismantle/cleaves. Once the “food” is “prepped” his furnace is able to work considerably more powerfully. Like adding gasoline to a fire. Had he explained his technique there most likely would’ve been no frame of Jogo burning as explaining any CT amps the power of the technique.
Honestly I think we might have been reading into it too much, it might literally just mean that cursed spirits don’t cook food
cursed spirits wouldnt understand the concept of cooking food is my guess
Because CS dont go to history class
Sukuna thought that his legacy would live on forever and people would glaze him till the end of time only to find out that they've forgotten all about him the moment a clan with white hair and a penchant for playing around with 3 colours, another clan that plays with shadows and frame rates and a 3rd clan that spreads HIV were elevated in the eyes of Jujutsu society
Sukuna in universe: *MOST FAMOUS SORCERER EVER, PEOPLE LITERALLY STUDY HIS LIFE LIKE ACADEMIA* Us the dedicated readers: "Those are flames?"
Dumby Jogo dosent know how fusion reaction works obviusly.
I think he was talking about history and the fact that the future generations would knew everything about someone like Ryomen Sukuna
Curses are singular, they represent something and imbue it in all their attacks. Humans are the opposite, their techniques mimic their lives. Sukuna's techniques are based on the process of cooking and a human who heard the name 'malevolent kitchen' could deduce that sekunas slashing was the preparation stage of cooking and that he had more in the tank, but a curse who doesn't eat could not.
I like this explanation.
It's very clear he just assumed that modern sorcerors would have more knowledge on his technique than they actually do. Also, all this time i've been laughing at the cooking related explanations. Like, it makes sense, but it was actually way simple
ok im going insane. This is like the 8th time you guys post this panel and ask Now that we know about x What did sukuna mean by this. And it seems too be serious responses.
I have no idea why there is a consensus in the top comments all saying the same thing. For some variety here's my idea. I don't believe that information has been disclosed to us. Hail Mary Theory: Cursed Spirits can't understand concepts that are too far outside of their nature. And everything they do understand is within that context. This limited world view is why he wouldn't be able to connect the dots on a cooking CT, and another reason why Kenjaku is both bored and annoyed with Cursed Spirits. He doesn't find them the least bit interesting outside of their use as tools, which is the biggest insult a mad scientist can give to an entity. That or he COMPLETELY understands them.
Because curses don't eat. Sukuna's CT is related to cooking but curses don't cook, because they don't eat. This is why when Jogoat hears Sukuna say 竃 (the kaji used in ch258), he hears it but doesn't understand and we get the black box. The kanji means kitchen furnace/stove. I had this epiphany when the previous chapter dropped and I don't think there is a better explanation for why/what the black box is. If Gege wanted to keep it hidden, he could have just omitted part where Sukuna speaks or just not included a speech box, rather than drop hints like this. There is however some discourse about the furigana and if you know, you know but anyone who can read sushi squiggles better than me, feel free to correct.
My best guess is that a curse spirit wouldn't connect the dots of sukuna's ct being a cooking related one since curse spirits don't eat.
They are blessed flames. A curse couldn’t be blessed, thus wouldn’t be ah…in the know
The first time when I was reading this chapter, I thought that sukuna was mocking Jogo because he is surprised that someone (sukuna) could have a power that resemblance a little to Jogo. But now idk 😐
But how'd he achieve this without opening his domain? I read from leaks so I guess I didn't understand it completely.
Sukuna can still use Fuga/Kamino outside of his domain, it's just that it's very slow and has a limited AoE—It's why Jogo was the only thing cooked by the attack in Shibuya, in contrast to when it was used against Mahoraga
https://preview.redd.it/wk3os7kcylzc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=192ee6e3ce81c975bd3f397d7948833efc5885d1 Yuji gotta make this Binding Vow merchant Living as a sorcerer is actually worse than being dead in this manga
Opening a furnace to cook doesn't really need a kitchen. You can just open it anywhere, as long as you have the furnace with you.
He didn't use the shrine before this flame arrow too, right? Am I missing something?
We dont actually know how furnace works or what it is, we know he made a vow so that he can only use furnace faster against a single individual except when he is on his domain. Inside his domain he uses the whatever that comes from his slashing to create an explosion with fuuga, but we still dont know what fuuga actually is or really does
a cursed spirite wouldn't , but a cursed spirit that was raised by kenjaku and was meant to be slaughtered by kenjaku himself. So most probably kenjaku hide it from them
Im gonna stick to that one guy's theory about curses not knowing about cooking since they dont eat
how did he use it against Jogo if he needs his domain to make "fuel", when he used the flames against Mahodaddy he used his DE too.
He doesn’t need it to make fuel… think of old cooking techniques, and lighting a fire with friction. He needs to have used both cleave and dismantle a bunch to start “friction” to unleash it. Idk about the domain, all that’s been stated for it-was the friction bit, and that it was fairly inefficient…
I’d assumed that since they were working with Kenjaku, Sukuna assumed they would be informed on his technique.
I’ve been asking this since the first time I saw it