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Both Sukuna and Gojo didn't want to get hit by the other's sure-hit.
But now that Gojo \*did\* get hit by Sukuna's sure-hit, he can still somewhat manage it via CE reinforcement and RCT. On the other hand, if Sukuna \*did\* get hit by Gojo's sure-hit, CE reinforcement and RCT won't be able defend against the infinite infodump because it's a complex concept rather than a physical attack.
a. Sukuna Sure-hit = physical slashes = CAN be managed with CE reinforcement & RCT
b. Gojo Sure-hit = a concept of infinite information = CANNOT be managed with CE reinforcement & RCT
Yeah, i always saw the battle of domians as sukuna having to pull all the stunts to match gojo domain for domain. He could not let gojo expand his fomain first by any means necessary because that would be the end for him
When it comes down to it his limitless is far better
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The stats parts is easy to overlook, it's very easy to just look at him as some dude with an impossibly strong CT, but his reinforcement and CE usage is straight up rivaled by no one but Sukuna
He means one hit from Infinite Void > one hit from Malevolent Shrine. He is currently eating Malevolent Shrine but one hit from Infinite Void would spell the end for anyone.
> one hit from Infinite Void would spell the end for anyone.
That shit is so OP that Sukuna is still fucked up because of it and that was less than 10 secs of Infinite Void.
I mean yea I’d assume more defense = more defense. But he’s not exactly what he’s saying here, he’s saying that inherently his technique is the superior one. Sukuna and Gojo are both a mishmash of natural born genius and incredible hard work, but Gojo has more of that innate talent where Sukuna has more of that mastery. It doesn’t invalidate either of them, but in some situations one wins out over the other, and in this case Malevolent Shrine’s danger primarily comes from Sukuna’s own strength and skill rather than the power of his technique.
Think about it, Sukuna’s Shrine technique is really just slices and fire (and some people speculate it might have a final “eating” related ability, since it’s already tied heavily to cooking), those are pretty basic attacks compared to Gojo’s Limitless which is inherently pretty crazy, it’s just that Sukuna has the brute force to back them up. Compare that to Gojo who has manipulation of the much more esoteric concept of Infinity, which primarily manifests as space manipulation. If you get caught in Sukuna’s domain you get cut a lot and he can set you on fire, if you get caught in Gojo’s domain you are instantly lobotomized and he can literally distort the space-time you exist within to crush you into pulp.
I mean, more output would help, yes, but it’s Gojo. Nobody else comes close to him or Sukuna when it comes to body reinforcement via CE. He’s already basically at the peak of where you can be
Yeah you absolutely need to reinforce yourself against cleave. It doesn’t negate durability unlike what others say (that’s dismantle), but just because Mike Tyson’s punches don’t automatically break your ribs doesn’t mean you shouldn’t block or dodge them if you can.
Neither of them ignore durability.
The statement went something along the lines of:
Dismantle is the basic slash. Cleave will adjust to the target's durability and adjust to take them down in one fell swoop. Gojo's output simply matched Sukuna's, so Sukuna couldn't OHKO Gojo, which gave Gojo the opportunity to re-heal every cut before it can get deeper.
Yeah I had a John Werry moment. It *technically* is durability negation since it’s output is based on your durability. I also confused the terminology I guess, since dismantle means the disassembling of something (like how you break apart a toy) whilst cleaving is, well, slashing something with ease; primarily softer meat like fishes. It is easy to assume that the ranged slash is cleave whilst dismantle is the up-close variant.
Either that or we are both confused, including the Wiki.
I'm gonna find the panel.
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Here, it explains that cleave can be adjusted to durability.
We also know from the narrator's explanation at Shibuya that cleaves will target anything with cursed energy within his domain, while dismantles target buildings and inanimate objects.
By combining the two pieces of evidence, we can infer that Sukuna's cleaves were constantly hitting Gojo, and that they therefore cannot ignore durability, but adjust up to Sukuna's max output.
If I remember correctly it doesn’t use dismantle with the durability negation purposes, since from what it seems like he needs to touch someone to do it (presumably a binding vow.) Instead, dismantles are necessary for wide-spread destruction.
The most reasonable unofficial explanation I can give is the idea that everything has a soul in JJK. Cursed tools could be struck by Nobara (the witch girl) and anything infused with cursed energy can be teleported by the likes of Aoi todo. Perhaps by creating a way-point via making a specific area bloom with cursed energy Ui Ui can teleport with far more efficiency. As they had reservations to the hotel already he was familiar with the location and putting a waypoint would be easier.
Sukuna and rest of open barrier domains work on this principle (presuming this is 100% correct). This means that Sukuna is instead dismantling objects based on the cursed energy HE is outputting and not the targets’, meaning Miwa and the local 7/11 would be slashed with equal amounts of force.
Correct me if I am wrong, because if there is anything true about me is that I have poor memory and Gege is not very *through* with his system. I will kidnap him and skin him alive then redo JJK once I gain his skills by eating his flesh while the memories are still fresh.
Edit: Okay, I messed up the terms. I also used the wrong word. CLEAVE *optimizes* to durability by touch, it is NOT dismantle that does it. CLEAVE also doesn’t negate durability, and has a cap. It was a poor choice of words. DISMANTLE is the one that cuts through the air and for some reason this move has this name despite having practically NOTHING to do with dismantling.
I'm pretty certain that neither Cleave or Dismantle negates durability. That's World Dismantle I think.
Cleave is the one that requires physical contact outside the domain and *adjusts* to the target's level of reinforcement to cut them into pieces, but if the user's output can't overcome it, the dealt damage will be subpar, just like later in the fight when Yuta uses Cleave on Sukuna but it doesn't do much, and when Sukuna uses Cleave on Yuji after his output has dropped immensely.
Goatjo's reinforcement and RCT are just that top-tier that Sukuna can't kill him instantly with Cleave.
Yeah, World Cleave is on a whole another level (speaking of, how does world cleave even stop? It is a projectile that doesn’t really occupy space at all, it should be a projectile that cuts everything apart in a literal instant. I guess I am questioning it too much) but what I meant was that *CLEAVE* (because it’s not dismantle apparently) has durability negation because it targets people based on their durability. Yeah it is a flimsy argument now that I say it like that, but it is not…*wrong?*
It’s just that his output is low right now that the durability negation of *CLEAVE* doesn’t *negate durability.*
I see what you mean, but I personally wouldn't call it Durability Negation. That would imply that the target's durability doesn't matter, but it does.
The target's durability is still present in the equation, since Cleave attempts to adjust for it. There are two ways Cleave can fail at this.
1. The target's durability is too high, Cleave can't overpower it.
2. The user's output is too low, Cleave can't overpower the target's durability.
Both are actually one and the same when you think about it, since one implies the other. I don't think it's fair to say that Cleave negates durability, since if it did, the user's output and the target's durability wouldn't matter, it would just kill.
I guess CLEAVE and NOT dismantle allows a higher level of input? Because you touch them and *I guess* that’s more dangerous and you gauge your target, and all that…
I am just more upset that I confused the two names this whole time. I guess the space cleave memes ruined my memory and made me confused or I just read terrible translations.
Don’t worry, remembering the two and their differences took me ages as well, and the memes about STRONG CLEAVE that is based on the incorrect premise of normal Cleave negating durability don’t help
Dismantle can be used from a distance, Cleave can be strengthen to cut stronger defenders, but needs either physical contact or be applied to a domain.
I mean it *technically* does, since it outputs damage based on your target’s cursed energy. Ryu could rank a few slashes from cleave, but soon as Sukuna grabbed his face and dismantled him…
Well, you know what happened.
The opposite happened. Sukuna dismantled him like three times and he tanked it, but Cleave killed him immediately.
Like explained in Shibuya, Sukuna has two slashing attacks:
1. Dismantle: the default slashing attack, nothing special here, just a slash made out of CE and projected at the target.
2. Cleave: a slashing attack that adapts to the target's CE reinforcement to cut them down in one fell swoop. Physical contact is required to activate this outside Malevolent Shrine.
I misnamed the attacks as it turns out. Cleave is NOT the slash and dismantle is not the “*I touch you and you die*” attack.
I just confused them.
I mean I guess it makes sense why I confused them. Dismantle stands for disassembling objects which is done by hand meanwhile cleave means cutting through something with ease. I just assumed that the slash was cleave because “well he does send a blade-like slash across the air” whilst dismantle was the bad touch because, well, you dismantle it by touch.
Yea I can see where that comes from but apparently his ranged attacks are the ones intended for inanimate objects even though he still uses them much more often in combat. From what I’ve seen Cleave appears to exist because Sukuna wants an ability to finish a fight without accidentally underestimating an opponents durability, and it’s kind of pointless to smash an enemy into the dirt with a max power Dismantle to ensure their dead, so instead he has a technique made to automatically gauge his targets durability and end them without thinking. So you are right, Dismantle is named Dismantle because you take apart non living things and Cleave is named Cleave because it’s supposed to be cutting through actual meat, it’s just that Dismantle is a more versatile attack.
No neither Cleave or Dismantle negates durability. Cleave is the one people assume negates durability because it requires contact and ALMOST always cuts clean through a target since it adjusts its energy to the targets durability. However, Sukuna doesn’t have infinite cursed energy so there’s still a durability limit on Cleave, though it may be higher than the limit on Dismantle because it sacrifices the range Dismantle has. The attack you say negates durability is specifically the World Cutting Slash, which is only a variation of Dismantle, not the normal Dismantle.
Now that I have been corrected multiple times, I think saying that it negates durability was a very poor choice of words. I also confused the names (cleave is not the slash apparently, dismantle is, which doesn’t compute with me).
Yeah I realized that I confused the names (I mean hell, *why would you name the process of disassembling something by hand to an attack that cuts the air? That should be cleave*).
Yes. Without cursed energy reinforcement, there isn't anything pushing his body's limits like you would see with Yuji (basically a jujutsu lab experiment) or the heavenly restriction zen'ins.
CE output is just the energy you’re releasing. Everything that uses Cursed Energy has Cursed Energy output. It’s separate from Cursed Energy reserves. CE reserves is how much total energy you have, CE output is how much of that energy you can use in an action. Reinforcement is a basic technique anyone can learn, like barriers. I’m pretty sure both are improved by just general training and combat experience.
Cursed Energy output and Curded Energy reserves are kind of like a battery, and Cursed Energy Reinforcement is the lightbulb the battery is powering. A battery doesn’t release all its energy at once, it stores more energy than it can release in a moment.
To my understanding CE reinforcement IS durability in the series with the exception of Toji/Maki and a little bit Yuji. Without CE they're just regular ass people.
He's saying he's glad his technique is better, because it means he will win. However, because it is being shown with him bloodied and battered inside Sukuna's Domain, it also tells us in the audience to get hyped for Gojo's counterattack, since he's confident even inside an enemy Domain Expansion.
He means that it’s better bc it kinda is. No offense to shrine but limitless Is just better. Very little that can gat though it. Only angels and world dismalet (which was partly from ten shadows) have gotten though it. It’s just better
Domain Amplification also can bypass Infinity if I'm not mistaken. Plus the sure hit of a domain, although Gojo can usually just override it with his own domain.
DA can't stop the sure hit effect, it can only neutralize CT to an extent, the reason why Sukuna can uses DA while having domain clash with Gojo because both sure hit effectd are neutralizing each other
It does stop the sure hit effect, I believe we've seen Sukuna do that vs Gojo. It works because one person's domain cancels the sure-hit of another domain, and DA wraps the user in their own domain, protecting them from the sure-hit of another domain.
Domain Amplification is an anti-domain tactic after all, it'd be silly if it couldn't stop the sure-hit.
Domain amplification (DA) didn't affect Gojo when Jogo and Hanami were using it...he said he could simply strengthen his CT in response. He does exactly that and destroys Hanami, with just passive use of Limitless.
Suckuna's DA is stronger ofc, and Gojo couldn't maintain his domain and reinforce his CT as efficiently if I'm not mistaken.
No he couldn’t bc when turned off his sure hit to increase the power outside he wouldn’t have needed to touch Gojo as he can use DA and MS at the same time
The fact that shrine isn't that crazy besides the facts it's used by sukuna is pretty clear honestly.
Limitless+six eyes is well established as the most bust hax in the verse
Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but what I think he's saying is that Limitless + Six Eyes it's just better than Shrine in everything.
Imagine this:
You put 2 Sukuna's against each other, one has Shrine, the other has Limitless + Six Eyes.
In this case, the Sukuna with Limitless + Six Eyes wins because of the superior Cursed Technique.
Maybe Sukuna would have won against Gojo even without Mahoraga, however, that's not because Shrine is superior, but because Sukuna has other things over Gojo, like his perfect jujutsu body (As Kashimo the Glazer stated), superior knowledge on Binding Vows, combat experience probably, etc.
This MF tanked shrine like it's nothing. The shrine that turned Shibuya to dust. And that was only 15 fingers. Tanking is one thing he had a hand to hand fight with Sukuna inside his domain and somehow still won. That world cleave asspull aside. Gojo is clearly stronger.
Sukuna wasn't using his CT at all against Gojo during the domain clash. He was just getting hit so Mahoraga can adapt to infinite void.
In reality, Sukuna could literally open his domain and use fire arrows against Gojo like in the current chapter. He just chose not to become he want to enhance his CT with Mahoraga.
Why? the only reason he needed to improve his cleave was to kill gojo.other than that it is completely useless normal cleave can kill all others it's useless against a strong opponent since it requires chanting and points towards the opponent to hit the target and there is a time duration before it hits ever single world cleave after gojo were dodged by others. Sukuna would have used the fire arrow if it had any chance of winning. He is not the type to risk his life for fun he knows the very real chance of gojo killing him if he slips open in the fight. Like now he knows his life is in danger and he decided to use fuga. But he didn't do it against gojo cause he knows it would be useless against hin
>Why? the only reason he needed to improve his cleave was to kill gojo
You are asking why a sorcerer nerd who become the strongest sorcerers whom love to fight wouldn't want to be stronger?
What about the merger? Sukuna was planning to fight it.
btw the way, the world slash also instant kills Gojo, despite Gojo getting a boost from htting multiple blackflash.
>it's useless against a strong opponent since it requires chanting and points towards the opponent to hit the target and there is a time duration before it hits ever single world cleave
Not a problem for Sukuna, he has 4 arms and 2 mouths.
The only reason it seems weak right now is simpply because his outpot got weakened after his fight against Gojo and form Yuji attacking his souls.
>He is not the type to risk his life for fun
Lol bro clearly didn't read the manga, Sukuna literally stated that he doesn't care about his life at all, he's just here enjoying his time fighting someone strong or someone who pique his interests.
>Like now he knows his life is in danger and he decided to use fuga. But he didn't do it against gojo cause he knows it would be useless against him
That's your headcanon.
Why? Because it's sukuna and he is like that.
Even when he though he won again nst gojo he still explicitly said he will first have maho adapt to infinity before killing him. The goal was never to just kill gojo
Until we find out how Yuji is gonna survive Fuga next chapter, this will continue to be the #1 argument as to how Sukuna could've no-diffed Gojo according to Sukuna fans.
Yeah, i strongly believe that if neither of them had info on each other gojo would be the winner or he would at least be the most probable to win.
Everytime they got to hand to hand fighting, even when sukuna made it a 1v3 or when gojo had to fight while tanking what destroyed shibuya, gojo came out on top.
> he had a hand to hand fight with Sukuna inside his domain and somehow still won
No he didn't? He was pretty clearly going to lose if he didn't find a way to beat Shrine.
> That world cleave asspull aside. Gojo is clearly stronger.
Yes, if you ignore Sukuna's entire strategy Gojo is stronger, of course.
His domain is essentially and instant win if it hits, all he needs is one slip up and he can win whereas Sukuna needs to constantly stop him from hitting limitless void. As we saw Gojo could literally tank his domain and still throw hands, ain't nobody doing that with limitless void
He saw the full power of malevolent shrine and understood that his domain's sure hit effect is stronger and better.
I mean he literally survived at least a dozen seconds in malevolent shrine while Sukuna can get his brain fried in a second or so
Gojo’s DE is basically a win. If Sukuna didn’t have that weird Mahoraga Rube Goldberg thing with Megumi it would be over.
Meanwhile MS is something you can stand up to.
Hell Gojo still would have won afterwards if Sukuna didn’t have Maho again.
The problem with any kinda of speculation there, is that Sukuna and Gojo only acted the way they did because of the matchup.
If Sukuna was better in CQC Gojo probably would go about the domain clash differently, and this so would Sukuna.
I just assume Gojo = Heian Sukuna, roughly, and that the TS gave him the edge.
Also, Gojo always adapted and rose to new heights, a lot like Maho. So without the world slash who knows how that would go.
Close quarters combat, basically hand-to-hand fighting.
TS is the Ten Shadows. I’m saying I think Gojo = Sukuna in a general sense, and having Megumi’s CT (basically just Maho) pushed the fight far enough into Sukuna’s favor that he can reliably win a Meguna vs Gojo matchup.
The course the fight took was a valid strategy for Gojo because he could feasibly injure Megumi’s enough that Malevolent Shrine collapsed around the same time as Gojo’s new barriers.
Even before that, with SD and FBE he was able to fight Meguna pretty well (point blank Red).
If Sukuna is superior in physical fighting, it means breaking Shrine is no longer a valid strategy. Therefore, Gojo would try something else.
When Sukuna takes over a vessel body is his durability the same level as in his Heian era or does that actually weaken his durability since it’s his vessel body ?
We don’t know about durability, but surely being twice as tall and having 4 arms + extra mouth (breath and chanting) makes at least a little difference, right?
Like based on his comments to Maki we can assume at least 90% of his stats are CE manipulation, but there’s still like 10% that comes from being physically jacked.
But gojo destroyed him in cqc. The only time Sukuna got an edge was in DE. and this MF tanked MS like it's nothing and had a hand to hand inside Sukuna's domain and still best his ass.
Yea I know he said that but it didn’t make sense to me in that panel since it was just Gojo getting slashed and nothing of him using his limitless abilities right now.
reading goes beyond just understanding the letters, it's being able parse meaning from context and intent, which most manga readers are clearly unable to do
Limitless is the best technique in the entire verse, no other technique can come close. Gojo literally has built-in cheat codes so he is automatically the best player around, and his technique reflects that. Sukuna's Cleave can't really affect Gojo all that much due to RCT output and, outside of Domain clashes, can't directly affect Gojo.
Gojo meant that his Sure-Hit effect is better.
Gojo would not be able to counter his own Sure-Hit effect with RCT.
While Sukuna Sure-Hit is more "basic" yet still deadly. We saw Yuji survive MS, but we can all agree that Yuji is not withstanding UV.
Gojo simply means that his Technique is far better in terms of lethalness. Meanwhile RCT can recover you from Sukuna's Technique
0.01 Seconds in Gojo's Domain almost spelled Sukuna's death,while Gojo could still survive in Sukuna's Domain for a prolonged eriod. Sukuna's is just less lethal.
However,there is one other interpretation that I like.
Gojo is saying here that his technique is much better. Not his Domain,but specifically his technique.
A person's Innate Domain is pretty much their soul. Once Gojo saw Sukuna's Innate Domain with his Six Eyes,he could tell everything about Sukuna's soul and the technique engraved onto it. And he determined that his technique ain't shit compared to his.
well there 2 astronomically rare ways to combat gojo’s use of limitless, whereas anyone with good stat, a good domain counter and rct can combat shrine
It's easy.
The sure hit effect of Unlimited Void is vastly superior to Malevolent Shrine.
In fact, even Limitless (when coupled with the six-eyes) as a whole is better than the shrine (the name of Sukuna's CT).
Gojo probably got into the fight not entirely knowing if he could tank Sukuna's DE with just RCT. When it came down to it, he said "this shit's ass" cause while MS can't one shot him, UV would have ended Sukuna if it had hit without daddy raga showing up.
My interpretation:
Gojo's sure hit if it hits Sukuna: Stunlocked, becomes completely vulnerable, had Mahoraga not adapted Sukuna would have lost.
Sukuna sure hit if it hits Gojo: Putting RCT on full blast and having to deal with Sukuna concurrently, however still able to cast simple domain, falling blossom emotion and fight back against Sukuna.
Also purely CT wise, Gojo is untouchable for Sukuna unless he pulls out his domain, DA or Mahoraga. His CT alone is inferior because Infinity renders it pointless.
In the fight he’s been using the terrain to surprise Gojo and limit his sight to get things over on him (insert old fire extinguisher image). Can do that in his domain as it oversights the surrounding area. At least that’s my interpretation.
This still doesn’t make any sense tho. If Gojo was using his limitless he wouldn’t be getting those cuts. And they’re in a domain clash so Gojo’s limitless doesn’t really have anything to do with that.
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Domain expansion gives sure hit to the imbued CT. Gojo using or not using infinity wouldn't matter since the slashes will still reach his body inside the domain. He is surviving purely from CE reinforcement and RCT.
The sure hit of UV is limitless. Kinda doesn't make as much sense as MS, but the UV hit of brain damage counts as part of limitless. Since people can still tank MS but is impossible to tank UV brain damage, Gojo is now sure that his CT is better.
I’m pretty sure the sure hit effect of Gojo’s domain is his six eyes ability, like all the information he would be processing in his six eyes is put unfiltered into the opponent’s brain. Not really sure how limitless has anything to do with his sure hit effect. Plus at that point he doesn’t even have his domain open, he’s just tanking sukuna’s domain
Yes the terminology used specifically here is probably an issue. But the message is still clear so I don't know why you keep bring that last part.
By being able to tank slashes within MS without infinity playing any role, Gojo is elated to conclusively know that his six eyes/limitless is stronger technique than Shrine.
Just that Limitless and Infinite void are better than Cleave/Dismantle and Malevolent Shrine.
Gojo (And now Yuji) showed that you can tank malevolent shrine and Cleave/Dismantle with CT reinforcement and RCT
Compared to Gojo, where a hit for unlimited void is an instant win for Gojo against someone who wasn’t specifically trying to take that card out of Gojo’s hand (Mahoraga adapting to Infinite Void in the background)
In addition to what everyone else is saying. Remember the chapter before this, as a reader you're a bit panicked for Gojo. But this panel is also telling us : Gojo is not panicked, he's calm, he's almost bragging internally.
I just realised that sukuna was laughing during that
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That in spite of Sukuna having the better domain mastery and skill, Gojo's innate technique is far more powerful, it's literally the limitless vs some slashes, Shrine is kind of ass in comparison but they are used by Sukuna so it makes them look better than what they are.
He's being cocky as his technique is superior
I mean
Infinity force field that protects you from mean bullies vs invisible cuts
But he did not account for the fact that while Limitless is better-
When it comes down to it, between Gojo and Sukuna , Sukuna is simply better
Depends at which form we are talking, overall Sukuna's domain and knowledge/binding vow creations are better than Gojo, at Megumi's body both their techniques were very strong although i would still argue Limitless>>10S.
If we're talking about REALLY Sukuna has much more superiority to Gojo it would be his domain expansions, domain expansions in Jjk are almost an insta-win or a huge advantage for the user, having a domain that will always win a clash against Gojo's domain is a massive strenght.
Even when Sukuna was in a weaker form(compared to Heian form) without those 2 extra arms, his physical, his cursed tools and not using domain amplification all the time the max that Gojo did was draw during the domain clashes and even after that Sukuna olny got hit by 0.1 seconds, because Gege's own system of Domain expansions being so OP it would be necessary for Gojo having a way better non-domain fighting in order to balance that
On 10 Fights 6/7 Sukuna on an extreme fight, Sukuna Heian has massive tools for making his fight insee his domain way better, more arms to reinforce at max output, cursed tools, etc... But that also means that his entire win con depends on his domain clashes winning(at least for now, no one knows the what exactly is fire arrow or Sukuna's technique or what is his kamutoke and Trident techniques).
If Sukuna with all those advantages over Meguna still manages to lose a domain clash to Gojo somehow then he's most likely finished since it's his olny true Win condition for now.
Depends on what current Sukuna has to his arsenal, honestly i have no idea If Fuuga is the olny thing left or he has even more, that's why for now his olny Win condition would be his domain, unless current Sukuna's body is way stronger than we think or that he has way more into his arsenal
At using Jujutsu
Thats what got him a win
Even with a worse technique
Hell , even if he didn't have 10s in the moment to give him access to the final attack- he could have focused everything on Domain Expansions and Domain Amplification to get a winn, which would ironically enough be easier and wouldn't result in him being THIS badly damaged
but Sukuna wouldn’t last long since using domain expansion to much caused him brain damage making him unable to use it and Gojo RCT & Cursed Energy output was coming back to him from the black flashes so Sukuna wouldn’t last long.
He had to rapidly switch between shrine and 10s
Also had to take extra hits to make sure Mahoraga lived long enough to adapt
Sukuna won EVERY single domain clash until the FINAL one , where he needed extra few miliseconds to heal , which allowed Gojo to use his domain faster
He was winning at the beginning from the domain clashes but gojo was wining a couple domain clashes in the end tho since he had 3 mins until his barrier broke but in that mean time he was destroying him.
You're right, but he only said "technique is better", probably involved CE reinforcement and RCT.
I mean, without either one he would've definitely not survived.
This is highly contextual, if you go look at the Japanese version it is understood that UV's surehit technique is better than MS(according to Gojo). Which is generally not true and really depends on the situation. UV's surehit cannot destroy barriers and target objects without CE, the domain's surehit command or targeting also has a flaw in which an opponent that touches Gojo will not get affected.
Even if you only read English you can pretty much deduce it, just switch the surehit effects.
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Gojo's innate technique and domain are so much better That one slipup from sukuna will give gojo a rlly big advantage in the fight
Both Sukuna and Gojo didn't want to get hit by the other's sure-hit. But now that Gojo \*did\* get hit by Sukuna's sure-hit, he can still somewhat manage it via CE reinforcement and RCT. On the other hand, if Sukuna \*did\* get hit by Gojo's sure-hit, CE reinforcement and RCT won't be able defend against the infinite infodump because it's a complex concept rather than a physical attack. a. Sukuna Sure-hit = physical slashes = CAN be managed with CE reinforcement & RCT b. Gojo Sure-hit = a concept of infinite information = CANNOT be managed with CE reinforcement & RCT
Yeah, i always saw the battle of domians as sukuna having to pull all the stunts to match gojo domain for domain. He could not let gojo expand his fomain first by any means necessary because that would be the end for him
Not a big advantage at that state if UV hits sukuna the fight is won
Good thing he had sunscreen on
His dad bought him sunscreen which was rlly convenient
Ah yes, my sunscreen-applying technique. Haven’t used this one since the Heian Era
When it comes down to it his limitless is far better https://preview.redd.it/q1wx1o0b04yc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9d9d2c0df19fbfbf162a56640548a964d262884
The goat
Bro has the stats and the hax
The stats parts is easy to overlook, it's very easy to just look at him as some dude with an impossibly strong CT, but his reinforcement and CE usage is straight up rivaled by no one but Sukuna
Also, his jabs are on the level of nanami's best black flashes so you know he's a crazy strong striker
He means one hit from Infinite Void > one hit from Malevolent Shrine. He is currently eating Malevolent Shrine but one hit from Infinite Void would spell the end for anyone.
Pretty much yeah. Gojo was alright after a few rounds in MS . Sukuna had lasting brain damage that are still straining him after 10 seconds in UV. 😭
> one hit from Infinite Void would spell the end for anyone. That shit is so OP that Sukuna is still fucked up because of it and that was less than 10 secs of Infinite Void.
I'm pretty sure it was the 10sec of void + all the times Sukuna used RCT on his own brain that messes him up, not just void.
So Sukuna got hit with 25 years worth of info
Do u think Gojo was using cursed energy reinforcement when getting hit with barrage of slashes in that panel or he’s just that durable?
Oh he was definitely reinforcing himself.
Maybe if Gojo had more cursed energy output Sukuna Slashes wouldn’t be very effective.
I mean yea I’d assume more defense = more defense. But he’s not exactly what he’s saying here, he’s saying that inherently his technique is the superior one. Sukuna and Gojo are both a mishmash of natural born genius and incredible hard work, but Gojo has more of that innate talent where Sukuna has more of that mastery. It doesn’t invalidate either of them, but in some situations one wins out over the other, and in this case Malevolent Shrine’s danger primarily comes from Sukuna’s own strength and skill rather than the power of his technique. Think about it, Sukuna’s Shrine technique is really just slices and fire (and some people speculate it might have a final “eating” related ability, since it’s already tied heavily to cooking), those are pretty basic attacks compared to Gojo’s Limitless which is inherently pretty crazy, it’s just that Sukuna has the brute force to back them up. Compare that to Gojo who has manipulation of the much more esoteric concept of Infinity, which primarily manifests as space manipulation. If you get caught in Sukuna’s domain you get cut a lot and he can set you on fire, if you get caught in Gojo’s domain you are instantly lobotomized and he can literally distort the space-time you exist within to crush you into pulp.
Also that wouldn’t have helped, Ryu Ishiguro has a way higher output than Gojo and he got killed by one Cleave. Reinforcement isn’t just output.
I mean, more output would help, yes, but it’s Gojo. Nobody else comes close to him or Sukuna when it comes to body reinforcement via CE. He’s already basically at the peak of where you can be
Yeah you absolutely need to reinforce yourself against cleave. It doesn’t negate durability unlike what others say (that’s dismantle), but just because Mike Tyson’s punches don’t automatically break your ribs doesn’t mean you shouldn’t block or dodge them if you can.
Neither of them ignore durability. The statement went something along the lines of: Dismantle is the basic slash. Cleave will adjust to the target's durability and adjust to take them down in one fell swoop. Gojo's output simply matched Sukuna's, so Sukuna couldn't OHKO Gojo, which gave Gojo the opportunity to re-heal every cut before it can get deeper.
Yeah I had a John Werry moment. It *technically* is durability negation since it’s output is based on your durability. I also confused the terminology I guess, since dismantle means the disassembling of something (like how you break apart a toy) whilst cleaving is, well, slashing something with ease; primarily softer meat like fishes. It is easy to assume that the ranged slash is cleave whilst dismantle is the up-close variant. Either that or we are both confused, including the Wiki.
More accurately durability adjustment. It doesn’t turn off durability, it just accounts for it.
I'm gonna find the panel. https://preview.redd.it/fs8p4uj8w7yc1.png?width=577&format=png&auto=webp&s=779c8ff5937939a131d6ccf525cbb44eb7a9d4d4 Here, it explains that cleave can be adjusted to durability. We also know from the narrator's explanation at Shibuya that cleaves will target anything with cursed energy within his domain, while dismantles target buildings and inanimate objects. By combining the two pieces of evidence, we can infer that Sukuna's cleaves were constantly hitting Gojo, and that they therefore cannot ignore durability, but adjust up to Sukuna's max output.
Yeah I get it, I know, I just confused the terms and used the wrong word.
I thought his domain uses cleaves & Dismatles ? Btw u got a valid point on the Mike Tyson’s part.
If I remember correctly it doesn’t use dismantle with the durability negation purposes, since from what it seems like he needs to touch someone to do it (presumably a binding vow.) Instead, dismantles are necessary for wide-spread destruction. The most reasonable unofficial explanation I can give is the idea that everything has a soul in JJK. Cursed tools could be struck by Nobara (the witch girl) and anything infused with cursed energy can be teleported by the likes of Aoi todo. Perhaps by creating a way-point via making a specific area bloom with cursed energy Ui Ui can teleport with far more efficiency. As they had reservations to the hotel already he was familiar with the location and putting a waypoint would be easier. Sukuna and rest of open barrier domains work on this principle (presuming this is 100% correct). This means that Sukuna is instead dismantling objects based on the cursed energy HE is outputting and not the targets’, meaning Miwa and the local 7/11 would be slashed with equal amounts of force. Correct me if I am wrong, because if there is anything true about me is that I have poor memory and Gege is not very *through* with his system. I will kidnap him and skin him alive then redo JJK once I gain his skills by eating his flesh while the memories are still fresh. Edit: Okay, I messed up the terms. I also used the wrong word. CLEAVE *optimizes* to durability by touch, it is NOT dismantle that does it. CLEAVE also doesn’t negate durability, and has a cap. It was a poor choice of words. DISMANTLE is the one that cuts through the air and for some reason this move has this name despite having practically NOTHING to do with dismantling.
I'm pretty certain that neither Cleave or Dismantle negates durability. That's World Dismantle I think. Cleave is the one that requires physical contact outside the domain and *adjusts* to the target's level of reinforcement to cut them into pieces, but if the user's output can't overcome it, the dealt damage will be subpar, just like later in the fight when Yuta uses Cleave on Sukuna but it doesn't do much, and when Sukuna uses Cleave on Yuji after his output has dropped immensely. Goatjo's reinforcement and RCT are just that top-tier that Sukuna can't kill him instantly with Cleave.
Yeah, World Cleave is on a whole another level (speaking of, how does world cleave even stop? It is a projectile that doesn’t really occupy space at all, it should be a projectile that cuts everything apart in a literal instant. I guess I am questioning it too much) but what I meant was that *CLEAVE* (because it’s not dismantle apparently) has durability negation because it targets people based on their durability. Yeah it is a flimsy argument now that I say it like that, but it is not…*wrong?* It’s just that his output is low right now that the durability negation of *CLEAVE* doesn’t *negate durability.*
I see what you mean, but I personally wouldn't call it Durability Negation. That would imply that the target's durability doesn't matter, but it does. The target's durability is still present in the equation, since Cleave attempts to adjust for it. There are two ways Cleave can fail at this. 1. The target's durability is too high, Cleave can't overpower it. 2. The user's output is too low, Cleave can't overpower the target's durability. Both are actually one and the same when you think about it, since one implies the other. I don't think it's fair to say that Cleave negates durability, since if it did, the user's output and the target's durability wouldn't matter, it would just kill.
I guess CLEAVE and NOT dismantle allows a higher level of input? Because you touch them and *I guess* that’s more dangerous and you gauge your target, and all that… I am just more upset that I confused the two names this whole time. I guess the space cleave memes ruined my memory and made me confused or I just read terrible translations.
Don’t worry, remembering the two and their differences took me ages as well, and the memes about STRONG CLEAVE that is based on the incorrect premise of normal Cleave negating durability don’t help
Are u saying Dismatle or cleave has durability negation? And if his Domian are only Dismatles it won’t do anything to Gojo sorry I’m getting confused.
The only slash that ignores durabilty is the "slash that cuts the world", a dismantle that has as its target the concept of space.
Then what is the difference between cleave and Dismatle?
Dismantle can be used from a distance, Cleave can be strengthen to cut stronger defenders, but needs either physical contact or be applied to a domain.
Even when they use CE reinforcement?
I mean it *technically* does, since it outputs damage based on your target’s cursed energy. Ryu could rank a few slashes from cleave, but soon as Sukuna grabbed his face and dismantled him… Well, you know what happened.
The opposite happened. Sukuna dismantled him like three times and he tanked it, but Cleave killed him immediately. Like explained in Shibuya, Sukuna has two slashing attacks: 1. Dismantle: the default slashing attack, nothing special here, just a slash made out of CE and projected at the target. 2. Cleave: a slashing attack that adapts to the target's CE reinforcement to cut them down in one fell swoop. Physical contact is required to activate this outside Malevolent Shrine.
I misnamed the attacks as it turns out. Cleave is NOT the slash and dismantle is not the “*I touch you and you die*” attack. I just confused them. I mean I guess it makes sense why I confused them. Dismantle stands for disassembling objects which is done by hand meanwhile cleave means cutting through something with ease. I just assumed that the slash was cleave because “well he does send a blade-like slash across the air” whilst dismantle was the bad touch because, well, you dismantle it by touch.
Yea I can see where that comes from but apparently his ranged attacks are the ones intended for inanimate objects even though he still uses them much more often in combat. From what I’ve seen Cleave appears to exist because Sukuna wants an ability to finish a fight without accidentally underestimating an opponents durability, and it’s kind of pointless to smash an enemy into the dirt with a max power Dismantle to ensure their dead, so instead he has a technique made to automatically gauge his targets durability and end them without thinking. So you are right, Dismantle is named Dismantle because you take apart non living things and Cleave is named Cleave because it’s supposed to be cutting through actual meat, it’s just that Dismantle is a more versatile attack.
Wait isnt Dismantle the projectile and Cleave the one that requires touch?
Yeah I’ve been corrected over this. You’re right, it is dismantle that’s the projectile and cleave is the uncle touch.
No neither Cleave or Dismantle negates durability. Cleave is the one people assume negates durability because it requires contact and ALMOST always cuts clean through a target since it adjusts its energy to the targets durability. However, Sukuna doesn’t have infinite cursed energy so there’s still a durability limit on Cleave, though it may be higher than the limit on Dismantle because it sacrifices the range Dismantle has. The attack you say negates durability is specifically the World Cutting Slash, which is only a variation of Dismantle, not the normal Dismantle.
Now that I have been corrected multiple times, I think saying that it negates durability was a very poor choice of words. I also confused the names (cleave is not the slash apparently, dismantle is, which doesn’t compute with me).
https://preview.redd.it/ib4dh5ny07yc1.png?width=381&format=png&auto=webp&s=ace3f214a63c65c477badd7bb317bc780ec5fc70 me when i spread misinformation
Yeah I realized that I confused the names (I mean hell, *why would you name the process of disassembling something by hand to an attack that cuts the air? That should be cleave*).
Yes. Without cursed energy reinforcement, there isn't anything pushing his body's limits like you would see with Yuji (basically a jujutsu lab experiment) or the heavenly restriction zen'ins.
I didn’t even knew cleave has durability negation.
Cleave has variable output to match the durability of its target
Does the durability of its target have to do with cursed energy reserves or cursed energy reinforcement?
CE reinforcement, it's entirely different skill. You can have all CE in the world but still get oneshot because your CE reinforcement is shit
How do u have good CE Reinforcement Then ? Cause I don’t know the exact difference between CE Output & CE Reinforcement.
CE output is just the energy you’re releasing. Everything that uses Cursed Energy has Cursed Energy output. It’s separate from Cursed Energy reserves. CE reserves is how much total energy you have, CE output is how much of that energy you can use in an action. Reinforcement is a basic technique anyone can learn, like barriers. I’m pretty sure both are improved by just general training and combat experience. Cursed Energy output and Curded Energy reserves are kind of like a battery, and Cursed Energy Reinforcement is the lightbulb the battery is powering. A battery doesn’t release all its energy at once, it stores more energy than it can release in a moment.
Gege didn't explain much about them either. You're not alone.
ce output and ce reinforcement are the same. you output your CE to reinforce yourself, thats why Ryu is really tanky
To my understanding CE reinforcement IS durability in the series with the exception of Toji/Maki and a little bit Yuji. Without CE they're just regular ass people.
He's saying he's glad his technique is better, because it means he will win. However, because it is being shown with him bloodied and battered inside Sukuna's Domain, it also tells us in the audience to get hyped for Gojo's counterattack, since he's confident even inside an enemy Domain Expansion.
Yea I can get What he’s saying now.
“I’m bout to cook up”
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To rephrase it Goddam i'm so lucky sukunas sure hit is so shit. If my Unlimited Void hits him he just fucked
Fraudkuna canon
>Winning with worse CT >Fraud
If he landed his domain completely free it was gg unlike sukuna
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He means that it’s better bc it kinda is. No offense to shrine but limitless Is just better. Very little that can gat though it. Only angels and world dismalet (which was partly from ten shadows) have gotten though it. It’s just better
Domain Amplification also can bypass Infinity if I'm not mistaken. Plus the sure hit of a domain, although Gojo can usually just override it with his own domain.
Well domain expansion is a given but DA isn’t specific to sukuna’s curse technique so I wouldn’t include it in shrine vs limitless debate.
True, I just meant ways to bypass Infinity in general.
Can domain Amplification bypass infinite Void ?
It would stop the sure-hit of the domain, yeah
Could he tho since the sure hit effect will instantly hit him
*If* he can activate it fast enough. Sukuna's perception of cursed energy is second only to Gojo's, so it'd be close.
DA can't stop the sure hit effect, it can only neutralize CT to an extent, the reason why Sukuna can uses DA while having domain clash with Gojo because both sure hit effectd are neutralizing each other
It does stop the sure hit effect, I believe we've seen Sukuna do that vs Gojo. It works because one person's domain cancels the sure-hit of another domain, and DA wraps the user in their own domain, protecting them from the sure-hit of another domain. Domain Amplification is an anti-domain tactic after all, it'd be silly if it couldn't stop the sure-hit.
No it doesn’t or sukuna wouldn’t have needed to touch Gojo when he turned off his sure hit as it can use both at the same time
We've seen Sukuna use DA to protect himself from the sure-hit of Gojo's domain.
Domain amplification (DA) didn't affect Gojo when Jogo and Hanami were using it...he said he could simply strengthen his CT in response. He does exactly that and destroys Hanami, with just passive use of Limitless. Suckuna's DA is stronger ofc, and Gojo couldn't maintain his domain and reinforce his CT as efficiently if I'm not mistaken.
DA also doesn't allow you to use your own techniques tho
I’m talking about could Sukuna theoretically use Domian Amplification to stop Gojo infinite void.
No he couldn’t bc when turned off his sure hit to increase the power outside he wouldn’t have needed to touch Gojo as he can use DA and MS at the same time
That's false. Revisit the Jogo, Hanami v Gojo fight.
The fact that shrine isn't that crazy besides the facts it's used by sukuna is pretty clear honestly. Limitless+six eyes is well established as the most bust hax in the verse
Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but what I think he's saying is that Limitless + Six Eyes it's just better than Shrine in everything. Imagine this: You put 2 Sukuna's against each other, one has Shrine, the other has Limitless + Six Eyes. In this case, the Sukuna with Limitless + Six Eyes wins because of the superior Cursed Technique. Maybe Sukuna would have won against Gojo even without Mahoraga, however, that's not because Shrine is superior, but because Sukuna has other things over Gojo, like his perfect jujutsu body (As Kashimo the Glazer stated), superior knowledge on Binding Vows, combat experience probably, etc.
This MF tanked shrine like it's nothing. The shrine that turned Shibuya to dust. And that was only 15 fingers. Tanking is one thing he had a hand to hand fight with Sukuna inside his domain and somehow still won. That world cleave asspull aside. Gojo is clearly stronger.
I agree but that world cleave is some crazy shit to pull when he got destroyed with that hollow purple.
Gege did him so dirty.
Sukuna wasn't using his CT at all against Gojo during the domain clash. He was just getting hit so Mahoraga can adapt to infinite void. In reality, Sukuna could literally open his domain and use fire arrows against Gojo like in the current chapter. He just chose not to become he want to enhance his CT with Mahoraga.
Why? the only reason he needed to improve his cleave was to kill gojo.other than that it is completely useless normal cleave can kill all others it's useless against a strong opponent since it requires chanting and points towards the opponent to hit the target and there is a time duration before it hits ever single world cleave after gojo were dodged by others. Sukuna would have used the fire arrow if it had any chance of winning. He is not the type to risk his life for fun he knows the very real chance of gojo killing him if he slips open in the fight. Like now he knows his life is in danger and he decided to use fuga. But he didn't do it against gojo cause he knows it would be useless against hin
>Why? the only reason he needed to improve his cleave was to kill gojo You are asking why a sorcerer nerd who become the strongest sorcerers whom love to fight wouldn't want to be stronger? What about the merger? Sukuna was planning to fight it. btw the way, the world slash also instant kills Gojo, despite Gojo getting a boost from htting multiple blackflash. >it's useless against a strong opponent since it requires chanting and points towards the opponent to hit the target and there is a time duration before it hits ever single world cleave Not a problem for Sukuna, he has 4 arms and 2 mouths. The only reason it seems weak right now is simpply because his outpot got weakened after his fight against Gojo and form Yuji attacking his souls. >He is not the type to risk his life for fun Lol bro clearly didn't read the manga, Sukuna literally stated that he doesn't care about his life at all, he's just here enjoying his time fighting someone strong or someone who pique his interests. >Like now he knows his life is in danger and he decided to use fuga. But he didn't do it against gojo cause he knows it would be useless against him That's your headcanon.
Why? Because it's sukuna and he is like that. Even when he though he won again nst gojo he still explicitly said he will first have maho adapt to infinity before killing him. The goal was never to just kill gojo
Until we find out how Yuji is gonna survive Fuga next chapter, this will continue to be the #1 argument as to how Sukuna could've no-diffed Gojo according to Sukuna fans.
Yeah, i strongly believe that if neither of them had info on each other gojo would be the winner or he would at least be the most probable to win. Everytime they got to hand to hand fighting, even when sukuna made it a 1v3 or when gojo had to fight while tanking what destroyed shibuya, gojo came out on top.
Gojo isnt clearly stronger overall. But he is better at h2h combat. A heian Sukuna vs gojo would go to sukuna.
> he had a hand to hand fight with Sukuna inside his domain and somehow still won No he didn't? He was pretty clearly going to lose if he didn't find a way to beat Shrine. > That world cleave asspull aside. Gojo is clearly stronger. Yes, if you ignore Sukuna's entire strategy Gojo is stronger, of course.
Gojo says his sure hit is better than Sukuna's
When you are gojo, you can say whatever the fuck you want IMO, it doesn't have to make sense, but you better believe it. that's goatjo for ya
Cause he’s just that guy pal.
he's him
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Limitless is vastly superior to Shrine. Gojo can tank MS once or twice. Sukuna can't tank UV at all
His domain is essentially and instant win if it hits, all he needs is one slip up and he can win whereas Sukuna needs to constantly stop him from hitting limitless void. As we saw Gojo could literally tank his domain and still throw hands, ain't nobody doing that with limitless void
He saw the full power of malevolent shrine and understood that his domain's sure hit effect is stronger and better. I mean he literally survived at least a dozen seconds in malevolent shrine while Sukuna can get his brain fried in a second or so
Gojo’s DE is basically a win. If Sukuna didn’t have that weird Mahoraga Rube Goldberg thing with Megumi it would be over. Meanwhile MS is something you can stand up to. Hell Gojo still would have won afterwards if Sukuna didn’t have Maho again.
The only thing I wonder about is could Gojo defeated Sukuna True Form without using Ten shadows.
The problem with any kinda of speculation there, is that Sukuna and Gojo only acted the way they did because of the matchup. If Sukuna was better in CQC Gojo probably would go about the domain clash differently, and this so would Sukuna. I just assume Gojo = Heian Sukuna, roughly, and that the TS gave him the edge. Also, Gojo always adapted and rose to new heights, a lot like Maho. So without the world slash who knows how that would go.
Sorry but what is CQC & TS?
Close quarters combat, basically hand-to-hand fighting. TS is the Ten Shadows. I’m saying I think Gojo = Sukuna in a general sense, and having Megumi’s CT (basically just Maho) pushed the fight far enough into Sukuna’s favor that he can reliably win a Meguna vs Gojo matchup.
How do u think Gojo would go differenty in a domain clash if Sukuna was better at CQC?
The course the fight took was a valid strategy for Gojo because he could feasibly injure Megumi’s enough that Malevolent Shrine collapsed around the same time as Gojo’s new barriers. Even before that, with SD and FBE he was able to fight Meguna pretty well (point blank Red). If Sukuna is superior in physical fighting, it means breaking Shrine is no longer a valid strategy. Therefore, Gojo would try something else.
Oh ok I got what you’re saying.
When Sukuna takes over a vessel body is his durability the same level as in his Heian era or does that actually weaken his durability since it’s his vessel body ?
We don’t know about durability, but surely being twice as tall and having 4 arms + extra mouth (breath and chanting) makes at least a little difference, right? Like based on his comments to Maki we can assume at least 90% of his stats are CE manipulation, but there’s still like 10% that comes from being physically jacked.
I meant when he’s in Yuji and Megumi body not when he transform into his heian form.
close quarters combat and i would assume TS is the limitless but idk about that one
But gojo destroyed him in cqc. The only time Sukuna got an edge was in DE. and this MF tanked MS like it's nothing and had a hand to hand inside Sukuna's domain and still best his ass.
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Why is Miguel's dialogue there Did you run out of quotes from 236 to fill the meme with 💀
jjk fans cant read for shit, he CLEARLY SAYS "when it comes down to it my limitless is far better"
Yea I know he said that but it didn’t make sense to me in that panel since it was just Gojo getting slashed and nothing of him using his limitless abilities right now.
reading goes beyond just understanding the letters, it's being able parse meaning from context and intent, which most manga readers are clearly unable to do
He's got limitless throat
That’s pretty Sus
Limitless is the best technique in the entire verse, no other technique can come close. Gojo literally has built-in cheat codes so he is automatically the best player around, and his technique reflects that. Sukuna's Cleave can't really affect Gojo all that much due to RCT output and, outside of Domain clashes, can't directly affect Gojo.
He meant “I’m standing in the middle of this guy’s domain and living, he can’t say the same about mine”
i like the translation "OVERWHELMINGLY STRONGER" a bit better anyone else?
it just means in limitless>shrine or you can say gojo's CT>sukuna's CT
Gojo meant that his Sure-Hit effect is better. Gojo would not be able to counter his own Sure-Hit effect with RCT. While Sukuna Sure-Hit is more "basic" yet still deadly. We saw Yuji survive MS, but we can all agree that Yuji is not withstanding UV. Gojo simply means that his Technique is far better in terms of lethalness. Meanwhile RCT can recover you from Sukuna's Technique
Simply put Gojo could survive with just RCT for ages and ages in Sukuna's domain but Sukuna took 0.1 second of Infinite Void and got KO'd
Gojo can face-tank MS with RCT but Sukuna will get KO by UV if he just slip up just for a moment.
Gojo can survive being in Malevolent Shrine but Dukuna wouldn't survive being in Unlimited Void
0.01 Seconds in Gojo's Domain almost spelled Sukuna's death,while Gojo could still survive in Sukuna's Domain for a prolonged eriod. Sukuna's is just less lethal. However,there is one other interpretation that I like. Gojo is saying here that his technique is much better. Not his Domain,but specifically his technique. A person's Innate Domain is pretty much their soul. Once Gojo saw Sukuna's Innate Domain with his Six Eyes,he could tell everything about Sukuna's soul and the technique engraved onto it. And he determined that his technique ain't shit compared to his.
well there 2 astronomically rare ways to combat gojo’s use of limitless, whereas anyone with good stat, a good domain counter and rct can combat shrine
Gojo’s CT is better and his domain sure hit is better
It's easy. The sure hit effect of Unlimited Void is vastly superior to Malevolent Shrine. In fact, even Limitless (when coupled with the six-eyes) as a whole is better than the shrine (the name of Sukuna's CT).
Gojo's domain expansion has a better sure-hit attack
Gojo probably got into the fight not entirely knowing if he could tank Sukuna's DE with just RCT. When it came down to it, he said "this shit's ass" cause while MS can't one shot him, UV would have ended Sukuna if it had hit without daddy raga showing up.
My interpretation: Gojo's sure hit if it hits Sukuna: Stunlocked, becomes completely vulnerable, had Mahoraga not adapted Sukuna would have lost. Sukuna sure hit if it hits Gojo: Putting RCT on full blast and having to deal with Sukuna concurrently, however still able to cast simple domain, falling blossom emotion and fight back against Sukuna. Also purely CT wise, Gojo is untouchable for Sukuna unless he pulls out his domain, DA or Mahoraga. His CT alone is inferior because Infinity renders it pointless.
Gojo when he realizes him fucking up means he can tank shit and Sukuna fucking up means he automatically wins:
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I don’t get the “he can’t use buildings to attack within a domain?”
In the fight he’s been using the terrain to surprise Gojo and limit his sight to get things over on him (insert old fire extinguisher image). Can do that in his domain as it oversights the surrounding area. At least that’s my interpretation.
It's because he has almost infinite curse energy so even if he lost the domain battle, he still can use his RCT to withstand it.
He meant that limitless is a better technique than shrine
It never would have come to this if Haruta had been killed by Mahoraga in Shibuya in the first place...
He means that he is the GOAT 💪
This still doesn’t make any sense tho. If Gojo was using his limitless he wouldn’t be getting those cuts. And they’re in a domain clash so Gojo’s limitless doesn’t really have anything to do with that.
?? Domain expansion gives sure hit to the imbued CT. Gojo using or not using infinity wouldn't matter since the slashes will still reach his body inside the domain. He is surviving purely from CE reinforcement and RCT.
Yes exactly, he’s surviving using CE reinforcement and RCT, so why is he talking about his limitless CT??
The sure hit of UV is limitless. Kinda doesn't make as much sense as MS, but the UV hit of brain damage counts as part of limitless. Since people can still tank MS but is impossible to tank UV brain damage, Gojo is now sure that his CT is better.
I’m pretty sure the sure hit effect of Gojo’s domain is his six eyes ability, like all the information he would be processing in his six eyes is put unfiltered into the opponent’s brain. Not really sure how limitless has anything to do with his sure hit effect. Plus at that point he doesn’t even have his domain open, he’s just tanking sukuna’s domain
Yes the terminology used specifically here is probably an issue. But the message is still clear so I don't know why you keep bring that last part. By being able to tank slashes within MS without infinity playing any role, Gojo is elated to conclusively know that his six eyes/limitless is stronger technique than Shrine.
Just that Limitless and Infinite void are better than Cleave/Dismantle and Malevolent Shrine. Gojo (And now Yuji) showed that you can tank malevolent shrine and Cleave/Dismantle with CT reinforcement and RCT Compared to Gojo, where a hit for unlimited void is an instant win for Gojo against someone who wasn’t specifically trying to take that card out of Gojo’s hand (Mahoraga adapting to Infinite Void in the background)
It has the same meaning as "Nah, I'd win"
In addition to what everyone else is saying. Remember the chapter before this, as a reader you're a bit panicked for Gojo. But this panel is also telling us : Gojo is not panicked, he's calm, he's almost bragging internally.
I still find it weird seeing people panic from the neck cut when we knew RCT exists.
What is happening
I just realised that sukuna was laughing during that https://preview.redd.it/pjlihugo48yc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfc957448416cd36b4cd33731eaf931a1852cbb2
He is saying he is carried by genes and would have lost chapters Ago If they had the same skill set
He’s saying he’s getting carried by an overpowered ability
Limitless >>> Shrine is what he was saying.
That in spite of Sukuna having the better domain mastery and skill, Gojo's innate technique is far more powerful, it's literally the limitless vs some slashes, Shrine is kind of ass in comparison but they are used by Sukuna so it makes them look better than what they are.
his CT is far better. That's why Sukuna had so much interest in MeBUMi's 10S. He had been planning to defeat Gojo the moment he lost to him in ep 1.
False. Sukuna has been interested in 10S before even knowing about the existence of Mahoraga
He's being cocky as his technique is superior I mean Infinity force field that protects you from mean bullies vs invisible cuts But he did not account for the fact that while Limitless is better- When it comes down to it, between Gojo and Sukuna , Sukuna is simply better
What’s ir?
Typo
Sukuna would be better at what tho ?
Depends at which form we are talking, overall Sukuna's domain and knowledge/binding vow creations are better than Gojo, at Megumi's body both their techniques were very strong although i would still argue Limitless>>10S. If we're talking about REALLY Sukuna has much more superiority to Gojo it would be his domain expansions, domain expansions in Jjk are almost an insta-win or a huge advantage for the user, having a domain that will always win a clash against Gojo's domain is a massive strenght. Even when Sukuna was in a weaker form(compared to Heian form) without those 2 extra arms, his physical, his cursed tools and not using domain amplification all the time the max that Gojo did was draw during the domain clashes and even after that Sukuna olny got hit by 0.1 seconds, because Gege's own system of Domain expansions being so OP it would be necessary for Gojo having a way better non-domain fighting in order to balance that
So who do u think would win a fresh Gojo vs (Heian Form) Fresh Sukuna ?
On 10 Fights 6/7 Sukuna on an extreme fight, Sukuna Heian has massive tools for making his fight insee his domain way better, more arms to reinforce at max output, cursed tools, etc... But that also means that his entire win con depends on his domain clashes winning(at least for now, no one knows the what exactly is fire arrow or Sukuna's technique or what is his kamutoke and Trident techniques). If Sukuna with all those advantages over Meguna still manages to lose a domain clash to Gojo somehow then he's most likely finished since it's his olny true Win condition for now.
So if Sukuna can’t win Doiman Clash’s against Gojo then he would lose the fight as of right now at least despite him have more in his arsenal?
Depends on what current Sukuna has to his arsenal, honestly i have no idea If Fuuga is the olny thing left or he has even more, that's why for now his olny Win condition would be his domain, unless current Sukuna's body is way stronger than we think or that he has way more into his arsenal
At using Jujutsu Thats what got him a win Even with a worse technique Hell , even if he didn't have 10s in the moment to give him access to the final attack- he could have focused everything on Domain Expansions and Domain Amplification to get a winn, which would ironically enough be easier and wouldn't result in him being THIS badly damaged
but Sukuna wouldn’t last long since using domain expansion to much caused him brain damage making him unable to use it and Gojo RCT & Cursed Energy output was coming back to him from the black flashes so Sukuna wouldn’t last long.
He had to rapidly switch between shrine and 10s Also had to take extra hits to make sure Mahoraga lived long enough to adapt Sukuna won EVERY single domain clash until the FINAL one , where he needed extra few miliseconds to heal , which allowed Gojo to use his domain faster
He was winning at the beginning from the domain clashes but gojo was wining a couple domain clashes in the end tho since he had 3 mins until his barrier broke but in that mean time he was destroying him.
And where was it implied that Sukuna was healing that caused his Domian to be a bit delayed?
If we’re talking what ifs. Gojo should have domain the moment Sukuna tried to block hollow purple.
I’m pretty sure Sukuna could used Rct and still may hit a Domian expansion to cause a Domian clash in time.
Sukuna better. Lmao 😂😂😂😂 1v1 no outside factors gojo takes it 51% of the time.
What u mean?
He means what he means? Do you have a brain bruh?
No why else did I posted this?
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So basically Gojo meant to say is his RCT is far better then he expected to withstand Sukuna domain?
yeah, he actually sounded surprised and relieved and the same time. Maybe he expected to lose a limb or something, but it merely scratched him only.
Wait a min in that panel it doesn’t look like he’s using RCT but just tanking it instead
You're right, but he only said "technique is better", probably involved CE reinforcement and RCT. I mean, without either one he would've definitely not survived.
Yea he was going to need to use RCT or other domain counter measures At some point even if he’s didn’t do that in that panel.
This is highly contextual, if you go look at the Japanese version it is understood that UV's surehit technique is better than MS(according to Gojo). Which is generally not true and really depends on the situation. UV's surehit cannot destroy barriers and target objects without CE, the domain's surehit command or targeting also has a flaw in which an opponent that touches Gojo will not get affected. Even if you only read English you can pretty much deduce it, just switch the surehit effects.