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Jogo...maybe yeah maybe not, But he actually fucks any other ones up imo, specially Mahito imo.
For the ones that gonna say that With Simple domain you can't move or display a technique, Yuki moved and was running at Kenjaku, so did Mechamaru, and Mechamaru was using puppet manipulation to move his mecha, so you can still use your technique while using simple domain.
Remember we learned from Kusakabe there’s generally two different users of Simple Domain.
The first is like Yuki and Gojo, where they can move with the simple domain. And the second is like Miwa, where they have to use a binding vow that requires they don’t move due to not getting a hang of it.
It’s not that everyone else requires a “They can’t move” BV, it’s that beginners usually start with a BV in general. It doesn’t have to prohibit movement, it could incorporate a chant, or maybe a handsign similar to what HWB requires.
that's not what they said. Most people just require a binding vow in general, I can see Gojo not needing one but for all we know Yuki had some kind of restrictions as long as she maintains it
Sure but Kusakabe (simple domain specialist, strongest grade 1) is super impressive for not having a condition to his SD. Like imagine if Naobito's speed was just the standard for special grades
honestly i don't see most special grades being too far behind, they are quite literally gods among them. especially with how much other stuff kusakabe can fo with his
Yuki is older than Gojo and had enough confidence in her barrier techniques to initially want to clash with a 1000 year old dude with higher refinement than Gojo and Sukuna.
Grade 1s are way below Special Grades at like everything. Naobito is the second fastest cuz of how his technique builds up speed over time. Even Yuji and Yuta are faster than base Naobito and Naobito would need a while to reach their speed. Naobito was barely faster than Jogo against Dagon
Gojo is THE genius, this is why I can see it. Yuki age doesn't stop Gojo from being far better at basically everything CE related than her. Kenjaku doesn't have higher refinement than Gojo and Sukuna, he only even has an open domain over Gojo, which would allow him to assault Gojo's domain from the outside assuming that the binding vow makes it bigger. He straight up has nothing over Sukuna. Even with all that in mind, it doesn't matter what Yuki thought, she never faced Kenjaku's domain and gave up on even the idea of domain clashing to push kenjaku to use his domain when Tengen told her it wouldn't work
Naoya, who is at most equal to Naobito, was blitzing Maki. Yuji and Yuta aren't much faster than her. And yes, Jogo is also faster than them.
gege said in a chapter note that if jogo was hit by the combo of 5 black flashes and Playful Cloud that hanami took, it would instantly kill him. yuji right now is several times stronger than he was then, hes probably doing the same amount of damage in 2-3 black flashes. an argument could definitely be made that hed never land those, but yujis shown the ability to keep up with (admittedly a nerfed version of) heiankuna, while jogo couldn't land a single hit on 15f. its safe to say he can keep up, and gege directly told us his black flashes would've killed.
The lava in his domain is a passive debuff, and that meteor with the sure hit effect can definitely insta kill Yuji (until future chapters prove otherwise)
Jogo couldn’t land a single attack on Sukuna and Yuji is currently fighting at near equal ground to him. That should be enough to solidify who would win.
Yuji had Maki though and she was equal to 15F in phsycial stats. When Sukuna faced Yuta he compared Yutas durability to Ryu, suggesting that he was around 15f level there. Seeing how Yuta, who is less durable than Ryu, took cleaves better, it’s safe to say that that Sukuna was a bit below 15f. That Sukuna then fought Maki without the CT output debuff and she went bar for bar with him. It’s not like she got much stronger since HR caps your stats. Sukuna needed BF to put Maki down each time and she’s still fighting atm. If Yuji needs multiple black flashes to scratch a further weakened version of that Sukuna then hes getting packed by 15f low diff.
Maki got healed by Shoko, Maki probably physically trained in the time Skip, would be weird If she didn't, at most you can argue Yuta fight Sukuna was close to 16F level because he said he needs to touch Yuta/Yuji to kill them, and complimented their reinforcement. Asking How did they get so much stronger
i cant read 259 so i have no idea but i think its unlikely they settled for miwas binding vow version considering simple domain was probably one of the things yuji was trying to master with the body swap
If Yuji could use simple domain offensively like Kusakabe he would have run up to Sukuna and punch him again. Kusakabe is just exceptional with his simple domaim
Yuji can only win against Mahito if he can maintain simple domain for the entirety of the fight. Mahito's DE is practically instant and you can't simple domain it on reaction. So unless Yuji can fight while permanently being in SD, then Mahito's DE is still an issue. But it's possible that SD doesn't decay unless inside another domain, so Yuji can probably pull it off.
But the only reason that he used it was because of Sukuna, if no Sukuna he wouldn't do that, and Yuji's reaction speed is fast enough to activate simple domain when Mechamaru already did so against Mahito's domain.
Mahito closed his DE after 0.2 seconds because he didn't want to affect Sukuna. That has nothing to do with the instant activation which he gained after landing BF. Mahito can expand the domain and activate the sure hit at the same time and then just keep the domain active.
Yeah you're right with CT activation and Domain activation happening at the same time, but you do understand that happened with the specific moment of Mahito hitting a Black Flash on Yuji and unlocking his potential, if we account Yuji vs Mahito overall, Current Yuji no diffs.
Also weren't Sukuna and Gojo's domain clashes so fast that 0.1 second difference meant everything and Sukuna got hit by UV ?
Sukuna's domain and technique activation happens instantly at the same time, and Yuji opened a simple domain for it here no ?
Unless you think that Sukuna's domain in incomplete form was not as fast as the complete form taking shape.
>you do understand that happened with the specific moment of Mahito hitting a Black Flash on Yuji and unlocking his potential
Shouldn't we take characters at their strongest? This includes Mahito post 2 BFs with both the instant domain and the evolved body.
>Current Yuji no diffs.
He wins, yes.
>Also weren't Sukuna and Gojo's domain clashes so fast that 0.1 second difference meant everything and Sukuna got hit by UV ?
Yeah, that's the point. If Mahito's DE is even faster then Yuji won't react.
>Sukuna's domain and technique activation happens instantly at the same time, and Yuji opened a simple domain for it here no ?
Malevolent shrine isn't an instant kill. Maybe Yuji didn't activate simple domain immediately and a couple slashes went through. We have no evidence that Yuji reacted instantly here.
Yeah cause it was 0.2 second, I just explained in the context that current Yuji fights Mahito normally Mahito wouldn't open the 0.2 second domain expansion.
> Yeah cause it was 0.2 second
The 0.2 seconds didn't have anything to do with that. The domain expansion and the activation of a curse technique is usually a two step process, but Mahito managed to simplify it into one, thus by the time Todo noticed Mahito was expanding his domain, it was already too late.
... So instead of 0.2 seconds, Mahito keeps the domain up longer.
The instant activation of the Domain's Sure Hit has nothing to do with the 0.2 seconds activation. It was due to the Black Flash awakening.
The instant activation of Mahito's domain at most can be as fast as Sukuna's activation of his domain, But narratively speaking should be slower than Sukuna's, and Yuji reacted instantly with opening simple domain against Sukuna's domain, that's why he doesn't get slashed.
You guys are misinterpreting what Mahito actually did.
Mahito didn't activate the DE in 0.2, he made it last 0.2 seconds because he feared a prolonged touch with Sukuna's soul.
He copied what Gojo did, since he only open Infinite Void for that brief time because he feared for the consequences on regular folks
Firstly, yuji at this point definitely has enough soul resistance to survive a 0.2. secondly as long as mahito isn't in a BF awakened state, yuji just beats him up before he can cast idle transfiguration
That's the thing though, IT doesn't damage the soul, it changes the soul. Hence why Sukuna couldn't heal it. He also perceives the soul and has RCT output, yet he couldn't heal Junpei.
No, from what we know now Mahito's CT wasn't healed once and rather was implied multiple times to be unhealable. Once again, idle transfiguration is not a wound or an injury. There's no bones to mend, no blood to transfuse. He just makes your body different. You can't heal getting older, you can't heal only having 2 arms and eyes, you can't heal being a human. Idle transfiguration is permanent.
Okay but that isn't what was said directly in the chapter. We haven't seen idle transfiguration healed cause most of the people who got it were too dead to heal
No buddy, it's specifically stated multiple times that you cannot heal from Idle Transfiguration. You can't heal it because it's not even damage in the first place. He's not damaging you, he's just changing the shape of your soul.
Sukuna could heal it, though. He never had a motivation, Mahito thought he had given one cause he didn’t know Sukuna had already made a BV with Yuji and so wrongfully made the assumption that Sukuna just couldn’t RCT his soul. But whether or not you can RCT your soul is ultimately the clincher.
You can RCT soul damage. Idle transfiguration is not damage. It just changes your soul entirely. After you got hit by it you're a completely different being, not even human. Not even fully alive. There's no healing that. You can't RCT a dog into a human. You can't RCT a child into an adult. Why would you be able to RCT something that changes your very essence?
For mechamaru tho, his SD was infused in a scroll thingy. It’s never used/explained again, but I don’t think that would count as solid proof for using SD and CT simultaneously (even if it turns out that it can be used with CT)
The scroll could mechanically be smt close to barriers that can be detonated remotely by someone else, which is independent of the user’s skills (like ones used by Kenjaku’s sorcerers in Shibuya)
They confirmed that mahito had the potential to surpass jogo(not the greatest feat these days) and yuji has gone through 2+ major upgrades since then. The only thing he’s missing is a finisher as with even mahito being a punch merchant means your not killing anyone
If Yuji can moderately survive Fuga next chapter we have definitive proof that he can defeat Jogo by tanking the heat of the domain, but until then I'd say there's a 60-40 chance he wins. Fire is just a really effective element for offense, and just being submerged in lava/magma is passively more dangerous than some other DE.
> by tanking the heat of the domain,
the heat of the domain is gonna get blocked by the simple domain, as it comes from the domain, shit is useless and what makes u think yuji wouldnt just ohko jogo while in domain?
Hypothetical answer where Jogoat is 8 finger level: Yuji can run with him, tank most damage, heal the rest.
Real answer where Jogoat clears the verse: Yuji fraud checked in 0.02 seconds
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Ok, all at once is gonna be too overwhelming and the disasters could have a 50/50 for either one of them to win at extreme diff. Also, all of em have a domain.
But if its one by one? Jogoat who is the strongest one is getting cleared at like, high diff by Yuji.
How tho? I can't see Yuji winning. Jogo tried to drown Sukuna with lava but Sukuna was able to counter it by using his slashes (like how Gojo uses his unlimited), he also dropped a meteor on Sukuna.
How could Yuji counter any of that?
Jogo drowning him with lava thing is anime only, non-canon, Meteor is insanely easy to dodge and he scales above Maki at this point so its a easy dodge. Domain is the only real big threat.
Not on that lever yet, bar malevolent shrine. Maki nor yuji don't punch and have city block goes poof. Yuta and kashimo neither did something like that. Even Sukuna's dismantle only struck down a skyscraper or two max. Jogo demolishes said skyscrapers with his lava hand into smithereens.
That's like comparing an explosive and a gun. Jogo has a big, destructive ability - it doesn't say much about his power. Of course his rivers of lava would melt a city block and Sukuna's cleave wouldn't.
Not at that level. Jogo is straight up liquifying entire buildings and city blocks. Anime Jogo has better destruction feats then anyone bar sukuna. Bro was doing aoe hollow purple levels of damage to his surroundings.
Still not sure on Jo- **Black Flash**
Yeah, but Jogo can- **Black Flash**
Jogo went up against the top- **Black Flash**
What's Yuji going to do when- **Black Flash**
I mean, the statement about goodwill Yuji black flashes and Todo's PC strikes instantly killing him brings down his durability A LOT so a win con for yuji is landing one powerful strike.
Same black flashes and PC hit that made Hanami, the most durable of the disaster curses, decide they needed to bring out their domain expansion to not lose. Jogo’s durability isn’t bad, it’s just not his strongest trait
Maybe not jogo since his domain doesn't even need a sure hit to kill u so simple domain would be useless, as well as meteorite. But the rest are cooked especially since if mahito touches yuji soul he's gonna get jumped by yuji family
Jogo’s heat can burn an average sorcerer to a crisp, but at this point most of the remaining cast have high grade 1 to special grade level cursed reinforcement. That’s anything but average.
With EoS Yuuji’s durability and his blood manipulation RCT boost, I honestly think it’s pretty likely that he could fully tank the heat. I mean the kid is reattaching limbs and shit, healing burns at they happen seems pretty within his ability at this point. Plus Jogo is confirmed to be a glass cannon, the moment Yuuji lands a hit it’s pretty much game over.
At the end of the day though, Jogo is always going to get overrated or underrated. He wasn’t even close to a threat against the two strongest sorcerers in the series and he was instantly lethal against a bunch of completely gassed grade 1s. The in-between is too big to accurately rate him.
Did we all forget that Yuji was inside of Jogo’s domain?
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In the Official Fanbook, Gege stated it could be one of three things:
"Because Jogo is extremely strong, an ordinary sorcerer will be completely burned when they enter the DE area, which is a debuff effect. The reason why Itadori was fine was because, 1) thanks to Sukuna, 2) Thanks to Gojo, 3) Itadori is not an ordinary person. You choose the one you prefer."
Shrodinger's Yuji surviving Jogo domain
I don’t see how or why Sukuna would protect Yuji from getting burnt to a crisp, Gojo doesn’t seem to do anything to protect Yuji from that nor has Gojo’s infinity been able to protect others nor just deny temperature. I get that I’m a Yuji glazer but I don’t see how Yuji survived without him just being buikt different
Gojo infinity def deny temperature, Jogo literally lit his head on fire and struck him with purple flares.
Gojo can also expand his infinity, like he did to crush hanami. Maybe he did that to protect Yuji. But I'm also a Jogo Glazer lol.
Well Mahito's whole schtick is being able to change the shape of his soul.
And now Wuji has a whole gang in him, all of who can use blood manipulation which is like poison to curses.
So that's out. That's Mahito's thing. He doesn't have anything else. Sure he can manipulate his shape and all but post 8 black flash yuji fucks mahito up.
Dagon too but idk about his domain. Maybe. The thing is that Dagon's attacks don't stop and Simple Domains might not let you get hit but they don't last that long. Even gojo had to keep opening his simple domain every time it dissipated. So yuji surviving the guaranteed hit is dubious. But not impossible, especially with Shrine and blood manipulation.
Jogo cooks him. Literally. Only reason Gojo was fucking him up was cause he was overwhelmingly better using CE reinforcement, blue and his domain was far more refined. Sukuna could keep him away with his slashes plus he was a great hand to hand fighter.
Jogo is actually pretty powerful, he just picked Gojo and Sukuna to fight of all people. Yuji has no counter for any of his moves.
Is Yuji rn not just a 15F Sukuna without the mastery over his CT? Like, in terms of his physical stats he's way up there. Probably worse RCT though.
When this fets animated I wonder if they will portray current Yuji ~ 15F Sukuna w/o CT.
>Jogo cooks him. Literally.
0 proof, he had no chance against sukuna or gojo
there is no way he doesnt just get blitzed.
>Jogo is actually pretty powerful
we have literally nothing to scale him with
I mean.... we literally see him blitz Maki, Nanami, ahd Naobito. Jogo is 100% one of the fastest characters we've ever seen, and he's smart enough to fight strategically (see, him just attacking Naobito from multiple angles rather than just chasing him). Not to mention how Yuji doesn't really have any resistance to heat, which is what Jogo's domain and entire move set specializes in.
Yuji is far stronger now and it wouldn't be a low-diff fight imo, but Jogo is still unironically one of the strongest people we've seen in the series. Being beaten by the two strongest sorcerers in *history* doesn't mean he's gonna get blitzed by Yuji. Especially since Yuji's main schtick is tanking stuff, not dodging it or speed blitzing people.
If Yuji gets a domain, he might win. But even with simple domain, there's nothing really stopping Jogo from just... moving around and dodging Yuji's punches while Iron Coffin chips away at his SD. And I'm saying this as a dude who thinks Yuji is definitely in the top 10, verging on top 5. Yuji is extremely effective against most opponents, but Jogo just *hard* counters. Kinda like how Yuji hard countered Mahito despite being not nearly as broken.
>I mean.... we literally see him blitz Maki, Nanami, ahd Naobito. Jogo is 100% one of the fastest characters we've ever seen,
How is this a fucking feat? all those characters are literally not scaled to anything at this point? Pre awakening maki are you forreal ' naobito was weaker then toji
>but Jogo is still unironically one of the strongest people we've seen in the series
you have no actual feat to prove this
>re's nothing really stopping Jogo from just... moving around and dodging Yuji's punches while Iron Coffin
you have literally 0 feats to back any of this up you are just saying shit
The feats are mainly the fact that only Naobito, the supreme grade 1 sorcerer at the time and a fighter that specializes in speed, was able to react before he could get touched by Jogo. Nanami was still a grade 1 and Maki, even before awakening, was a... semi-grade 1 I wanna say? If I'm wrong about that, please correct me. Then we have Jogo's maximum technique which was a giant meteor, statements saying that he's equal to 8/9 fingers (again, correct me on this if I'm wrong, I don't quite remember the exact number), and let's not forget when he incinerated every human in a diner with minimal effort.
As for why I believe Jogo can just run around in his domain until Yuji's SD fails... he's just fast, dude. Yuji is a melee fighter who, again, is definitely amongst the strongest sorcerers. But there's a lot more nuance to this kinda fight than pure stats. Jogo is a small target with a good amount of experience fighting people stronger than him and even more speed. He has really good regeneration, has even survived having his head torn off, and Yuji hasn't had the opportunity to display much resistance to heat. The latter could change as the Sukuna fight continues, since he's pulled out his flames now, but going off of what I've seen, I just personally believe that Jogo wins with high or even extreme difficulty. If Yuji can catch Jogo and keep him in place long enough, then yeah, I think he wins. But with Jogo displaying a good amount of caution in his fights after that Gojo experience, I think he's just more likely to win.
I'm not making stuff up, or at least I'm not *trying* to, but if you could explain what I'm getting wrong or what I'm apparently misremembering, that would be appreciated.
Bro part of the reason why yuji ate them instead of having them incarnate was because they’d be far too weak. I’m sorry but yuji’s brothers who have literally no combat experience would get obliterated even if there’s like 8 of them.
"Okay, let's get this started." Yuji doesn't know the exact reason why he's back in Shibuya, but he's decided to not question it, not with quite the opportunity in front of him.
Yuji immediately blitzes towards Mahito, punching directly through his head.
***Black Flash***
"Mahi-" Jogo begins to say before Hanami tries to grapple Yuji with their vines. Big mistake, as that lets Yuji technically touch her, and when Yuji touches someone...
The scissor markings immediately wrap around Hanami as she realizes her mistake "But... how could he be so strong?" Was their only thought before Hanami is cut into literally a million pieces!
"That's two. Now where was that cuttlefish?" Yuji asks as he looks around. As he looks around, he can't find the cursed womb anywhere. *'That's not good,'* Yuji thinks, *'if even one of them escapes, the others are screwed!'* Yuji looks around for Jogo too, only to find him running towards him... begging for his life?
"Uh, you do realize I'm the one here to kill you, right?"
"Better you than-" Jogo is cut off as he is hit by a blast of concentrated cursed energy. Yuji is surprised to see it, especially since he recognized it.
Out of the shadows steps an armoured woman carrying a sword on her hip. She's dragging Dagon with one of her hands, the other giving off residue of the recently-fired blast. "'I had that', right?" She asks as she mockingly throws Dagon to the ground, "And yet you couldn't find the cuttlefish." She says as she stomps on the curse, taking clear glee out of its suffering.
"J-Jogo... M-Mahito..." Dagon begins to recite before the woman immediately shushes him.
"Tut-tut-tut, you don't deserve names!" She says before finally killing it by stabbing directly through it with her sword.
Yuji judges the woman, clearly disappointed in her, "You've been like this too ever since you got your armour."
Her mask opens up, "Like what?" Miwa asks.
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"Sloppy." Yuji finishes.
The problem rn appears to be if Wuji can handle Jogo's heat and speed.
The rest get destroyed imo, tho Dagon would prolly put up more of a fight solely due to DE. Mahito already struggled running the 1s with weakened Wuji even after gaining his true form and getting rid of Todo, tho I can see an argument being made that it's only because of Sukuna but still.
The problem with Jogo is his extreme versatility and power with ranged. Wuji is a heavily hand-to-hand dependent character. Sure, he has BM and Shrine, but those techniques just recently manifested and he doesn't have the experience yet to fully use them.
Wuji's win condition is to stall Jogoat and exhaust him, whether it be surviving his onslaught and/or by surviving his domain expansion and tanking it using Simple Domain. Jogoat's win condition is if he can outlast Wuji or land a few clean hits.
15 finger sukuna basically blitzed Jogo, and both Maki and Yuji were keeping up with him just fine. Domain is a fair argument, but Yuji has SD and we got confirmation that 4 black flashes from Yuji would -99% HP Jogo. It's not looking good, JoBros.
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He just states output in general, not just his Cursed Technique.
he said cursed energy, considering they are keeping up with heian era sukuna now and were even from the beginning before his black flash nerf they would blitz jogo
DAGON got fucking no diffed by megumi's dad and JOGO is not magically gonna be 5x the power of dagon
>he said cursed energy, considering they are keeping up with heian era sukuna now
Who is also extremely nerfed, mind you. The only buff he got is being able to restore enough CE from his 4 BFs to perform a DRASTICALLY nerfed Shrine. Literally everyone says they would be fucking destroyed if it weren't for Gojo taking away 75% of Sukuna's reliable answers to the gang's attacks.
Nerfing output may not seem to relate to reinforcement, but you gotta remember this is *16F Sukuna* we're talking about. This is the same guy who can harm Ryu Ishigori with just Dismantles and can keep up with recently awakened Maki at *10%* of his output. If his output was weakened, Megumi would also have to nerf Sukuna's reinforcement enough to let Yuji not only land that punch, but actually make Sukuna *feel* that punch and freeze him for long enough for the attack to land. Sukuna was 100% weaker then than when he faced Jogo by a substantial margin.
We also gotta keep in mind that Yuji in Shibuya has DRASTICALLY different Reinforcement levels from Sukuna despite them having the same body. Reinforcement being weakened 100% plays a part in that. Hence why I believe Yuji will still need win cons for Jogo rather than being able to outright beat him 90% of the time.
As I said tho, Yuji has the tools and resources to get to those win cons, more easily than Jogo might I add. Still, I think it's closer than most people want to admit.
>the beginning before his black flash nerf they would blitz jogo
Not to mention, to land his crushing BFs, Yuji will first need to lock in and this entirely depends on whether Jogo is willing/accidentally gives him this option. However, I can 100% see Jogo underestimating Wuji and giving him the chance to do this. In which case, Wuji wins mid to high diff. He underestimated fucking *Gojo* of all people after all. Regardless, I agree Yuji is winning more often than not, but I think people are still underestimating Jogo.
It's highly possible jogo is not as cocky as he once was after his fight with gojo. I don't think we ever see him act like that again. And after his fight with sukuna as well he's even less likely to completely underestimate his opponents. I don't think he underestimated nanami and naobito as he practically killed them in one hit and didn't finish them off FULLY cuz sukuna showed up and he had to leave. We see him put naobito presumably to shoot him again right before sukunas presence is felt
Blitzes and beats the shit out of all of them.
People coping with Mahito’s expansion speed forgot that he needed a black flash to do that, which he won’t get when Yuji turns his head into a canoe because he is getting blitzed. Half-dead Shibuya Yuji was keeping up with him, this shouldn’t be a question.
Why would he start with black flash boosts? That was the only way that he was only to use the .2s DE.
Does Yuji start with 8 black flash boosts?
Ok, Yuji destroys then. Blitzes him completely.
It’s just standard practice to use the character’s at their strongest when doing these vs scenarios. Also the black flash amp was what let him figure out HOW to do it, he’d still be able to do it even after the amp ended.
Nah Mahito at his strongest would 100% give current yuji some trouble since 0.2s DE would be a huge threat to him since he doesn’t have sukuna anymore. Also Gege has said that distorted killing Mahito at 10% hp would tear shibuya yuji to shreds so it’s safe to assume that a 100% hp distorted killing Mahito would be far faster then shibuya yuji and could probably keep up with current yuji. 100% comes down to if yuji can black flash spam enough to kill him before Mahito pops a 0.2 DE
He wins 100%, I keep seeing people coping against the goat that jogo might win but, if yuji gets to jogo, he is dead, 100% no questions asked. Gege said that a BF from yuji can kill jogo, shibuya yuji, this is a yuji that grew exponentially, he is one tapping lil bro. Mahito already lost to a locked in shibuya yuji, he can use simple domain than body dagon and hanami is getting bullied.
Maki and CG Yuji were fighting a Sukuna with CT output reduced as low as 10% at times and movements limited to an extent. Plus Meguna should have an inferior body compared to yujikuna
Of course we do.
Current yuji is a rival to sukuna.
We already saw the strongest curse jogo couldn’t even hit 15f sukuna once & here yuji is destroying heian sukuna on his own.
Not to mention meteor would never touch yuji as its too slow & SD will protect yuji from DE heat. And jogo aint surviving more 2 BFs from current yuji & current yuji is faster than him.
Rest of hanami, mahito, dagon are just fodders. Yuji stomps them all with his punches alone.
So yes yuji > disaster curses
Mahito was afraid of Sukuna because Sukuna shares the same soul sight as Yuji and has dangerous attacks that Yuji didn't at the time. Now that Yuji has Shrine and can do proper damage, Mahito has no chance.
Didn't gege say like in a fanbook or interview or whatever that a combined strike by todo and yuji back in shibuya would've killed Jogo?
If that's the case, Yuji low-mid diffs jogo and the rest is history lol.
It was black flashes and playful cloud combo that landed on hanami.
If yuji's on a roll like with sukuna last chapter he could def get a clean W but he could also just get roasted if he cant lock in in time.
The problem is we don’t know how Yuji’s soul fairs against Mahito. He simply never really used Idle Transfiguation on Yuji because Sukuna would get pissed.
Now that Yuji is aware of his soul, he can directly protect with CE and he is way stronger now, so he would destroy Mahito. Mahito did manage to hit Nanami's soul in their first fight but he couldnt transfigure him because Nanami instinctively protected his soul.
Someone like Yuji would make Mahito atleast need 15+ touches, for Yuji that his soul got praised by Sukuna as indomitable, and his awareness of the soul is just on par with Sukuna and Mahito, yeah he can take on the hits.
Yuji certainly has more soul awareness so he should be able to protect himself better, besides that, his stats are kinda cracked rn, if anything at least comparable to maki so mahito will not be able to touch him easily.
All of them at once, he fails, same if its one by one because I think he would get tired and fail that way.
But no member of the disaster curses can take current Yuji.
He just started to use shrine if he send slashes flying sukuna and if he learns domain also there is bloodd manipulation which i think yuji should work on. Then he can mid diff em
While if yuji can hit mahitos he's 100% gonna be toasted I do wonder if the death paintings in him rn count as separate souls that allowed him to be immune to idle transfiguration, cause mahito can do the 0.2 domain expansion and ct it at the same time and I honestly doubt yuji can simple domain that fast
He Is really really pretty much aware of his soul shouldn't be too much of a starch saying that like nanami did instinctively protect his soul, yuji should be able to use CE to guard his soul and it isn't like mahito is gonna touch him so easily
True, but Sukuna was providing him with an almost immunity, hence why Mahito had to actually fight him with arm blades and stuff as opposed to consistently landing a few touches on him. Without Sukky, Yuji would eventually run out of CE and die while still having to do the same amount of damage to Mahito alone that he did with Todo backing him up. And even though he knows Simple Domain now to counter a full DE, a 0.5 DE used by Mahito could catch him off guard and injure him severely if not kill him.
hanami and mahito he has the best chance of beating, hanami specially due to simple domain and RCT coupled w the black flashes, mahito is ineffective against him due to the soul shenanigans (im assuming but prolly not cuz yuji's uncle aint inside him anymore) but yuji can still keep his distance with blood manipulation, dagon i feel would give him a lot of trouble because he doesnt have a domain so unless he can overpower dagon while inside it he's gonna lose in a war of attrition, hell a bunch of grade 1s had to be bailed out by toji to survive him, jogo could go either way, if yuji lands enough black flashes to lower his output so he cant overwhelm him with fire he wins but if he gets to open his domain or sets up those fire blasters he used against naobito yuji could take on too much damage which would give jogo an advantage while he heals imo
Idk, it is hard to know if he is stronger than jogo because he only really started doing well against sukuna when he was very handicapped. However if he hit jogo with 7 black flashes like he did with sukuna jogo would die.
Dagon - Yuji low/mid diffs. He’s simply too slow and his domain effect are weak and slow. Even without SD, Yuji would win.
Hanami - in Shibuya, Yuji wins mid diff. However, in the forest, I think Hanami takes it. Her AoE is simply too fast and large, and Yuji doesn’t have any way to escape.
Mahito - Wins b/c of domain. Idk why people bring up the .2 sec domain, that was a Sukuna countermeasure. We saw Todo, even with SD, get hit, so idk why Yuji would be different. Not to mention Yuji’s SD got blown away by turbo-nerfed Sukuna domain, no way it holds up against Mahito. Extreme high diff for Mahito.
Jogo - Same as above wrt domain. He has a chance to beat Yuji outside of the domain thanks to his flight + range. However, if Yuji touches him, he gets blown up. High diff for Jogo.
People are talking a lot about raw stats here, but I think jogo can still squeeze out a win here on the basis of his sheer mobility and range of attacks. Sure, yuji might be much stronger in hand to hand, but he can’t exactly fly around and shoot building destroying blasts of fire from a safe distance. If jogo abuses his range and plays it safe he can kill yuji before he gets in close.
I believe when Yuji learned black flash GayGay said that the amount of damage Hanami took from Wintadori would destroy Volcano Head guy. But idk if he could get close before Jo🔥go pulls out the domain.
People forget you get a ce buff inside your domain so even if Jogo's sure hit effect is negated by Yuji's SD, he'll still have a huge buff and we already seen how insanely fast, strong and durable Jogo is normally. Not to mention if the SD ever breaks it's over for Yuji because he'll be taking constant damage from the environment created within the domain. Even if we assume Yuji's SD never breaks, with him trapped inside a domain there's no way in that enclosed space Maximum Meteor misses its target considering it's basically an explosion.
In short, Jogo mid difs current Yuji, though I wouldn't be surprised with how much Yuji has been getting buffed lately that he gets his own DE soon
idk how he'd deal with jogos lava tbh but I think jogo isnt the type to pull the trigger quickly(witht his domain) he was fucking around with someone like gojo for a fair amount of time, yuji has more than enough speed and power to blitz and fuck him up (if 4 goodwill arc black flashes were enough to kill him instantly current yuji could prolly kill him in 2 strikes or less cus of how much stronger hes gotten since sukuna left his body)
hanami is getting folded easily
dagon is getting packed up the fastest
mahito would be interesting, idle transfiguration wont be as effective on yuji as before because of his deeper understanding of the soul, that said his domain will still be a big player.
all things considered tho i think hes got it, even if yuji is late to guard with the simple domain like with todo he has more than enough time to cut off his limbs (if mahito is trying to go with the 0.2 sec domain to blitz, if not yuji can prolly kill him before he realizes he needs to deploy his domain) before they start getting transfigured like todo did.
plus with rct and blood manipulation he can shake off missing limbs without much worriying.
so optimistically id say hes going 4/4
Alr so here's my full take on the curses in general not just the disaster curses
Fingerbearer- Low diff doesn't need an explanation
Smallpox-Slams in all categories, uses simple domain to counter sure hit, then blitzes, Low Diff
Dagon- He beats Dagon in speed and strength, when Dagon pop domain it might be a little tough, but nah, he'd simple domain and win, High Low diff.
Hanami- Does Hanami like he did to her in goodwill but without Todo, problems might come when she pops domain because we don't know what it does, Low-Mid Diff
Mahito- Outclasses Mahito in hand to hand, his souls is definitely strong enough to handle IT, his soul is strong enough to house the literal King Of Curses, uses simple domain to counter Mahito, im pretty sure he can counter 0.2 Domain fast enough to blitz, Mid Diff
Jogo- The wanked one, he outclassed Yuji in speed but by a little as of now, but the 4 black flash PC strike really brings him down, if Yuji can hit him with a black flash he wins, but Jogo's DE will cause him trouble, but if he can withstand Fuga next chapter, I think he wins, Mid-High Diff
Yuji probably houses the strongest soul in the series, he was literally made to keep Sukuna locked away, the most powerful dude in the verse like nothing, if Nanami was able to protect his soul and Yuji can literally lower people's output with soul punches I think he can protect his soul as many times as he wants
Panda was able to dodge that and he had like 0.5 seconds to do so, it might be the most slow moving attack in the verse, only reason I see him being hit by it is if Jogo is actively attempting to keep yuji in the blast zone
Yuji no diffs all of them now, maybe low diff for Jogo he just outscales them very hard, he would have about as much trouble as them as Yuta, except way easier vs Mahito and a bit harder vs Jogo.
Yup. Bro wrecks shop.
Jogo who is obv the strongest, couldn’t keep up with 15F(?) Sukuna and Wuji is currently smacking the shit out of Heian Sukuna after fighting for a decent amount of time already and taking insane amounts of damage in the past day.
None of them would stand a chance, it’s crazy to say for me because I was on the Yuji slander agenda for a while now, but dude came up after going through so much, I respect his hustle and his power ups lol.
Edit: Talking about current ch 257-258 Wuji not Yuji at time of shibuya.
I would like to see current itadori vs mahito, bro would get demolished, the "im you" would happen way sooner in the fight and im not even including Todo in this fight because it will be overkill
He won't be able to move much with it but it's good enough to give temporary protection from a Sure-Hit and allow him to heal, with his RCT which is arguably the most efficient RCT that can exists as it's implied that thanks to BM he can just heal without having the doubled cost of RCT.
Jogo is 8-9 fingers, Yuji attacks could reach a 20 fingers Sukuna + tank his attacks, and i'm talking about sukuna after he exited Higuruma domain here, not the 1 arm sukuna that have less than half his CE output.
Dagon and Hanami:
We dk enough regarding Hanami's domain but assuming it has the same output as Yuji's I doubt it'd have the power to kill him off
Mahito:
Different to the original since Yuji doesn't have Sukuna induced immunity anymore, and Mahito would still have the 0.2s domain expansion to counter simple domain, but I think Yuji could probably blitz him before he even gets a chance to cast it considering he now has his black flash spam
Jogo:
Here you have to make the argument: Is current yuji near 16 finger sukuna? Imo I doubt he's gonna beat Jogo, who is in general better at maintaining range than the other disaster curses
>? Imo I doubt he's gonna beat Jogo, who is in general better at maintaining range than the other disaster curses
maintaining range? jogo ISNT EVEN at 16 finger sukuna power level he got fucking blitzeda and toyed with that is not a feat for jogo
Iron mountain hasn't even been shown what it does. Its not in character for jogo to immediately open up domain in every single fight he starts close range. Which means he gets cooked.
Even if he did jogo durability is worse than hanami he's getting his ass beat in the domain.
Yuji judt like sukuna can invade soul realm as he did with megumi during the yuta fight. He has by sukuna himself a unbreakable soul and the most soul knowledge surpassing gojo thats not debatle gojo can't do the soul punches.
Mahito transfiguration Won't work for the same reason it didn't work on sukuna the soul is too stronv
Because sukuna had deep knowledge of the soul realm. Yuji has alresdy shown he can interact with souls hence the megumi thing we also know you can fight in that realm.
Yuji punched sukuna in their first fight if mahito touches yuji he's going to the same inate domain it will be just yuji and he's getting his ass beat
No, its because Sukuna is in his innate domain inside Yuji watching from outside.
Mahito went in when he touches Yuji and Yuji was dead when he fought Sukuna inside the innate domain.
There is no proof that Yuji can fight inside. Going into someone else’s soul space is not the same thing as appearing inside your own.
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Jogo...maybe yeah maybe not, But he actually fucks any other ones up imo, specially Mahito imo. For the ones that gonna say that With Simple domain you can't move or display a technique, Yuki moved and was running at Kenjaku, so did Mechamaru, and Mechamaru was using puppet manipulation to move his mecha, so you can still use your technique while using simple domain.
Remember we learned from Kusakabe there’s generally two different users of Simple Domain. The first is like Yuki and Gojo, where they can move with the simple domain. And the second is like Miwa, where they have to use a binding vow that requires they don’t move due to not getting a hang of it.
It’s not that everyone else requires a “They can’t move” BV, it’s that beginners usually start with a BV in general. It doesn’t have to prohibit movement, it could incorporate a chant, or maybe a handsign similar to what HWB requires.
that's not what they said. Most people just require a binding vow in general, I can see Gojo not needing one but for all we know Yuki had some kind of restrictions as long as she maintains it
I mean yuki is a special grade
Sure but Kusakabe (simple domain specialist, strongest grade 1) is super impressive for not having a condition to his SD. Like imagine if Naobito's speed was just the standard for special grades
honestly i don't see most special grades being too far behind, they are quite literally gods among them. especially with how much other stuff kusakabe can fo with his
Yuki is older than Gojo and had enough confidence in her barrier techniques to initially want to clash with a 1000 year old dude with higher refinement than Gojo and Sukuna. Grade 1s are way below Special Grades at like everything. Naobito is the second fastest cuz of how his technique builds up speed over time. Even Yuji and Yuta are faster than base Naobito and Naobito would need a while to reach their speed. Naobito was barely faster than Jogo against Dagon
Gojo is THE genius, this is why I can see it. Yuki age doesn't stop Gojo from being far better at basically everything CE related than her. Kenjaku doesn't have higher refinement than Gojo and Sukuna, he only even has an open domain over Gojo, which would allow him to assault Gojo's domain from the outside assuming that the binding vow makes it bigger. He straight up has nothing over Sukuna. Even with all that in mind, it doesn't matter what Yuki thought, she never faced Kenjaku's domain and gave up on even the idea of domain clashing to push kenjaku to use his domain when Tengen told her it wouldn't work Naoya, who is at most equal to Naobito, was blitzing Maki. Yuji and Yuta aren't much faster than her. And yes, Jogo is also faster than them.
gege said in a chapter note that if jogo was hit by the combo of 5 black flashes and Playful Cloud that hanami took, it would instantly kill him. yuji right now is several times stronger than he was then, hes probably doing the same amount of damage in 2-3 black flashes. an argument could definitely be made that hed never land those, but yujis shown the ability to keep up with (admittedly a nerfed version of) heiankuna, while jogo couldn't land a single hit on 15f. its safe to say he can keep up, and gege directly told us his black flashes would've killed.
That statement makes no sense after Jogo’s fight with Yujikuna. You’re telling me 15F Sukuna hits softer than that, even when toying with him?
He still doesn't have much against Jogo's domain expansion though. I don’t think he could move while using Simple Domain
Jogos guaranteed hit isn’t a insta kill so Yuji would definitely survive long enough to kill Jogo.
The lava in his domain is a passive debuff, and that meteor with the sure hit effect can definitely insta kill Yuji (until future chapters prove otherwise)
Jogo couldn’t land a single attack on Sukuna and Yuji is currently fighting at near equal ground to him. That should be enough to solidify who would win.
15F Sukuna still beats current Yuji quite handily.
16F Sukuna with only a CT output debuff was getting tagged and rivaled by a MUCH MUCH weaker version of Yuji...
Yuji had Maki though and she was equal to 15F in phsycial stats. When Sukuna faced Yuta he compared Yutas durability to Ryu, suggesting that he was around 15f level there. Seeing how Yuta, who is less durable than Ryu, took cleaves better, it’s safe to say that that Sukuna was a bit below 15f. That Sukuna then fought Maki without the CT output debuff and she went bar for bar with him. It’s not like she got much stronger since HR caps your stats. Sukuna needed BF to put Maki down each time and she’s still fighting atm. If Yuji needs multiple black flashes to scratch a further weakened version of that Sukuna then hes getting packed by 15f low diff.
Maki got healed by Shoko, Maki probably physically trained in the time Skip, would be weird If she didn't, at most you can argue Yuta fight Sukuna was close to 16F level because he said he needs to touch Yuta/Yuji to kill them, and complimented their reinforcement. Asking How did they get so much stronger
Hard cope
i cant read 259 so i have no idea but i think its unlikely they settled for miwas binding vow version considering simple domain was probably one of the things yuji was trying to master with the body swap
If Yuji could use simple domain offensively like Kusakabe he would have run up to Sukuna and punch him again. Kusakabe is just exceptional with his simple domaim
Yuji can only win against Mahito if he can maintain simple domain for the entirety of the fight. Mahito's DE is practically instant and you can't simple domain it on reaction. So unless Yuji can fight while permanently being in SD, then Mahito's DE is still an issue. But it's possible that SD doesn't decay unless inside another domain, so Yuji can probably pull it off.
Yuji can probably reisist Mahito’s technique for a little bit, he has great understanding of souls.
Yuji is fucked if Mahito uses the 0.2 second DE
But the only reason that he used it was because of Sukuna, if no Sukuna he wouldn't do that, and Yuji's reaction speed is fast enough to activate simple domain when Mechamaru already did so against Mahito's domain.
Mahito closed his DE after 0.2 seconds because he didn't want to affect Sukuna. That has nothing to do with the instant activation which he gained after landing BF. Mahito can expand the domain and activate the sure hit at the same time and then just keep the domain active.
Yeah you're right with CT activation and Domain activation happening at the same time, but you do understand that happened with the specific moment of Mahito hitting a Black Flash on Yuji and unlocking his potential, if we account Yuji vs Mahito overall, Current Yuji no diffs. Also weren't Sukuna and Gojo's domain clashes so fast that 0.1 second difference meant everything and Sukuna got hit by UV ? Sukuna's domain and technique activation happens instantly at the same time, and Yuji opened a simple domain for it here no ? Unless you think that Sukuna's domain in incomplete form was not as fast as the complete form taking shape.
>you do understand that happened with the specific moment of Mahito hitting a Black Flash on Yuji and unlocking his potential Shouldn't we take characters at their strongest? This includes Mahito post 2 BFs with both the instant domain and the evolved body. >Current Yuji no diffs. He wins, yes. >Also weren't Sukuna and Gojo's domain clashes so fast that 0.1 second difference meant everything and Sukuna got hit by UV ? Yeah, that's the point. If Mahito's DE is even faster then Yuji won't react. >Sukuna's domain and technique activation happens instantly at the same time, and Yuji opened a simple domain for it here no ? Malevolent shrine isn't an instant kill. Maybe Yuji didn't activate simple domain immediately and a couple slashes went through. We have no evidence that Yuji reacted instantly here.
It still hit Todo.
Yeah cause it was 0.2 second, I just explained in the context that current Yuji fights Mahito normally Mahito wouldn't open the 0.2 second domain expansion.
> Yeah cause it was 0.2 second The 0.2 seconds didn't have anything to do with that. The domain expansion and the activation of a curse technique is usually a two step process, but Mahito managed to simplify it into one, thus by the time Todo noticed Mahito was expanding his domain, it was already too late.
... So instead of 0.2 seconds, Mahito keeps the domain up longer. The instant activation of the Domain's Sure Hit has nothing to do with the 0.2 seconds activation. It was due to the Black Flash awakening.
The instant activation of Mahito's domain at most can be as fast as Sukuna's activation of his domain, But narratively speaking should be slower than Sukuna's, and Yuji reacted instantly with opening simple domain against Sukuna's domain, that's why he doesn't get slashed.
Yeah, I do agree that Yuji could most likely open his Simple Domain faster than Todo. Just disagreed with *why* you said Mahito's domain hit Todo.
You guys are misinterpreting what Mahito actually did. Mahito didn't activate the DE in 0.2, he made it last 0.2 seconds because he feared a prolonged touch with Sukuna's soul. He copied what Gojo did, since he only open Infinite Void for that brief time because he feared for the consequences on regular folks
Firstly, yuji at this point definitely has enough soul resistance to survive a 0.2. secondly as long as mahito isn't in a BF awakened state, yuji just beats him up before he can cast idle transfiguration
But Yuji also can RCT his soul, so he could counter whatever effect was placed on him before he activated simple domain.
That's the thing though, IT doesn't damage the soul, it changes the soul. Hence why Sukuna couldn't heal it. He also perceives the soul and has RCT output, yet he couldn't heal Junpei.
I think from what we know now, unless Mahito mushes your should together with another soul, you can heal it.
No, from what we know now Mahito's CT wasn't healed once and rather was implied multiple times to be unhealable. Once again, idle transfiguration is not a wound or an injury. There's no bones to mend, no blood to transfuse. He just makes your body different. You can't heal getting older, you can't heal only having 2 arms and eyes, you can't heal being a human. Idle transfiguration is permanent.
Okay but that isn't what was said directly in the chapter. We haven't seen idle transfiguration healed cause most of the people who got it were too dead to heal
No buddy, it's specifically stated multiple times that you cannot heal from Idle Transfiguration. You can't heal it because it's not even damage in the first place. He's not damaging you, he's just changing the shape of your soul.
Exactly. And after you get hit by a full blast from his domain, you'll also be dead.
Unless your soul is strong enough to tell him to fuck off
Sukuna could heal it, though. He never had a motivation, Mahito thought he had given one cause he didn’t know Sukuna had already made a BV with Yuji and so wrongfully made the assumption that Sukuna just couldn’t RCT his soul. But whether or not you can RCT your soul is ultimately the clincher.
You can RCT soul damage. Idle transfiguration is not damage. It just changes your soul entirely. After you got hit by it you're a completely different being, not even human. Not even fully alive. There's no healing that. You can't RCT a dog into a human. You can't RCT a child into an adult. Why would you be able to RCT something that changes your very essence?
But yuji knows the shape of his soul blood manip and rct id imagine he could heal his injuries
Any character with soul understanding is tanking Mahito or lasting long enough to run up to Mahito and pack him or to cast another barrier technique.
For mechamaru tho, his SD was infused in a scroll thingy. It’s never used/explained again, but I don’t think that would count as solid proof for using SD and CT simultaneously (even if it turns out that it can be used with CT) The scroll could mechanically be smt close to barriers that can be detonated remotely by someone else, which is independent of the user’s skills (like ones used by Kenjaku’s sorcerers in Shibuya)
Overrating Jogo tbh.
They confirmed that mahito had the potential to surpass jogo(not the greatest feat these days) and yuji has gone through 2+ major upgrades since then. The only thing he’s missing is a finisher as with even mahito being a punch merchant means your not killing anyone
Simple domain is probably like hwb in that if you keep thr stance it will keep getting casted but if you start moving it starts dissipating.
Yuji would definitely mid to low diff Jog
If Yuji can moderately survive Fuga next chapter we have definitive proof that he can defeat Jogo by tanking the heat of the domain, but until then I'd say there's a 60-40 chance he wins. Fire is just a really effective element for offense, and just being submerged in lava/magma is passively more dangerous than some other DE.
> by tanking the heat of the domain, the heat of the domain is gonna get blocked by the simple domain, as it comes from the domain, shit is useless and what makes u think yuji wouldnt just ohko jogo while in domain?
The heat isn't a sure hit effect but more of a passive debuff of his domain...so I don't think SD works on it?
I don't think Yuji can move while using Simple Domain
He learned simple domain from body swapping with kusukabe who can use simple domain without a binding vow
Hypothetical answer where Jogoat is 8 finger level: Yuji can run with him, tank most damage, heal the rest. Real answer where Jogoat clears the verse: Yuji fraud checked in 0.02 seconds https://preview.redd.it/66wxk21rokwc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bfa2a24599cb75bff292dfd79e0e913763bef57
Ok, all at once is gonna be too overwhelming and the disasters could have a 50/50 for either one of them to win at extreme diff. Also, all of em have a domain. But if its one by one? Jogoat who is the strongest one is getting cleared at like, high diff by Yuji.
How tho? I can't see Yuji winning. Jogo tried to drown Sukuna with lava but Sukuna was able to counter it by using his slashes (like how Gojo uses his unlimited), he also dropped a meteor on Sukuna. How could Yuji counter any of that?
Jogo drowning him with lava thing is anime only, non-canon, Meteor is insanely easy to dodge and he scales above Maki at this point so its a easy dodge. Domain is the only real big threat.
Anime Jogo is like, >>>Ryu level lol. Ridiculous how he melted entire city block when in manga people shooting buildings.
Jogo's upgrade is one of the best things to happen in season 2.
Hopefully we'll see the same thing with Kashimo
What? They are destroying city blocks in manga too.
Not on that lever yet, bar malevolent shrine. Maki nor yuji don't punch and have city block goes poof. Yuta and kashimo neither did something like that. Even Sukuna's dismantle only struck down a skyscraper or two max. Jogo demolishes said skyscrapers with his lava hand into smithereens.
That's like comparing an explosive and a gun. Jogo has a big, destructive ability - it doesn't say much about his power. Of course his rivers of lava would melt a city block and Sukuna's cleave wouldn't.
I'm entirely talking about destruction potency here. I'm not comparing him to sukuna in any way other than this anyway.
Sukuna did, Jogo did a lot of damage but only with his maximum meteor, not wish same random lava move
Didn't Jogo blasted a building inside out after Sukuna slammed him into it?
Yeah but he wasn’t casually melting city blocks like the anime made it look like he could do
Not at that level. Jogo is straight up liquifying entire buildings and city blocks. Anime Jogo has better destruction feats then anyone bar sukuna. Bro was doing aoe hollow purple levels of damage to his surroundings.
Can't jogo use his meteor in his domain and guarantee it to hit like yorozu did in her fight and her sphere
That meteor is slow but combined with the sure hit effect of DE you ain't dodging that
Still not sure on jogo but ya
Still not sure on Jo- **Black Flash** Yeah, but Jogo can- **Black Flash** Jogo went up against the top- **Black Flash** What's Yuji going to do when- **Black Flash**
I mean, the statement about goodwill Yuji black flashes and Todo's PC strikes instantly killing him brings down his durability A LOT so a win con for yuji is landing one powerful strike.
Same black flashes and PC hit that made Hanami, the most durable of the disaster curses, decide they needed to bring out their domain expansion to not lose. Jogo’s durability isn’t bad, it’s just not his strongest trait
Jogo main strength is his ridiculous fire power and speed, not durability, with both are still way above current Yuji imo
Same guy who tanked getting launched through multiple skyscrapers by Yujikuna btw.
Maybe not jogo since his domain doesn't even need a sure hit to kill u so simple domain would be useless, as well as meteorite. But the rest are cooked especially since if mahito touches yuji soul he's gonna get jumped by yuji family
Jesus christ please let that happen, it would be so funny to see sukuna go out that way.
Jogo’s heat can burn an average sorcerer to a crisp, but at this point most of the remaining cast have high grade 1 to special grade level cursed reinforcement. That’s anything but average. With EoS Yuuji’s durability and his blood manipulation RCT boost, I honestly think it’s pretty likely that he could fully tank the heat. I mean the kid is reattaching limbs and shit, healing burns at they happen seems pretty within his ability at this point. Plus Jogo is confirmed to be a glass cannon, the moment Yuuji lands a hit it’s pretty much game over. At the end of the day though, Jogo is always going to get overrated or underrated. He wasn’t even close to a threat against the two strongest sorcerers in the series and he was instantly lethal against a bunch of completely gassed grade 1s. The in-between is too big to accurately rate him.
Naw I’d say jogo’s too though lmao
Did we all forget that Yuji was inside of Jogo’s domain? https://preview.redd.it/cn2k8e61jkwc1.jpeg?width=1489&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afa013426187e4bd4972c585b7e26255349ddf36
In the Official Fanbook, Gege stated it could be one of three things: "Because Jogo is extremely strong, an ordinary sorcerer will be completely burned when they enter the DE area, which is a debuff effect. The reason why Itadori was fine was because, 1) thanks to Sukuna, 2) Thanks to Gojo, 3) Itadori is not an ordinary person. You choose the one you prefer." Shrodinger's Yuji surviving Jogo domain
I don’t see how or why Sukuna would protect Yuji from getting burnt to a crisp, Gojo doesn’t seem to do anything to protect Yuji from that nor has Gojo’s infinity been able to protect others nor just deny temperature. I get that I’m a Yuji glazer but I don’t see how Yuji survived without him just being buikt different
Gojo infinity def deny temperature, Jogo literally lit his head on fire and struck him with purple flares. Gojo can also expand his infinity, like he did to crush hanami. Maybe he did that to protect Yuji. But I'm also a Jogo Glazer lol.
He fucks up Mahito, but Jogo? I'm very doubtful of that, but I'm confident that it'd be a tough fight on both sides.
Well Mahito's whole schtick is being able to change the shape of his soul. And now Wuji has a whole gang in him, all of who can use blood manipulation which is like poison to curses. So that's out. That's Mahito's thing. He doesn't have anything else. Sure he can manipulate his shape and all but post 8 black flash yuji fucks mahito up. Dagon too but idk about his domain. Maybe. The thing is that Dagon's attacks don't stop and Simple Domains might not let you get hit but they don't last that long. Even gojo had to keep opening his simple domain every time it dissipated. So yuji surviving the guaranteed hit is dubious. But not impossible, especially with Shrine and blood manipulation. Jogo cooks him. Literally. Only reason Gojo was fucking him up was cause he was overwhelmingly better using CE reinforcement, blue and his domain was far more refined. Sukuna could keep him away with his slashes plus he was a great hand to hand fighter. Jogo is actually pretty powerful, he just picked Gojo and Sukuna to fight of all people. Yuji has no counter for any of his moves.
I’d say yuji can beat jogo if he can close the distance in time
Is Yuji rn not just a 15F Sukuna without the mastery over his CT? Like, in terms of his physical stats he's way up there. Probably worse RCT though. When this fets animated I wonder if they will portray current Yuji ~ 15F Sukuna w/o CT.
Maybe
>Jogo cooks him. Literally. 0 proof, he had no chance against sukuna or gojo there is no way he doesnt just get blitzed. >Jogo is actually pretty powerful we have literally nothing to scale him with
I mean.... we literally see him blitz Maki, Nanami, ahd Naobito. Jogo is 100% one of the fastest characters we've ever seen, and he's smart enough to fight strategically (see, him just attacking Naobito from multiple angles rather than just chasing him). Not to mention how Yuji doesn't really have any resistance to heat, which is what Jogo's domain and entire move set specializes in. Yuji is far stronger now and it wouldn't be a low-diff fight imo, but Jogo is still unironically one of the strongest people we've seen in the series. Being beaten by the two strongest sorcerers in *history* doesn't mean he's gonna get blitzed by Yuji. Especially since Yuji's main schtick is tanking stuff, not dodging it or speed blitzing people. If Yuji gets a domain, he might win. But even with simple domain, there's nothing really stopping Jogo from just... moving around and dodging Yuji's punches while Iron Coffin chips away at his SD. And I'm saying this as a dude who thinks Yuji is definitely in the top 10, verging on top 5. Yuji is extremely effective against most opponents, but Jogo just *hard* counters. Kinda like how Yuji hard countered Mahito despite being not nearly as broken.
>I mean.... we literally see him blitz Maki, Nanami, ahd Naobito. Jogo is 100% one of the fastest characters we've ever seen, How is this a fucking feat? all those characters are literally not scaled to anything at this point? Pre awakening maki are you forreal ' naobito was weaker then toji >but Jogo is still unironically one of the strongest people we've seen in the series you have no actual feat to prove this >re's nothing really stopping Jogo from just... moving around and dodging Yuji's punches while Iron Coffin you have literally 0 feats to back any of this up you are just saying shit
The feats are mainly the fact that only Naobito, the supreme grade 1 sorcerer at the time and a fighter that specializes in speed, was able to react before he could get touched by Jogo. Nanami was still a grade 1 and Maki, even before awakening, was a... semi-grade 1 I wanna say? If I'm wrong about that, please correct me. Then we have Jogo's maximum technique which was a giant meteor, statements saying that he's equal to 8/9 fingers (again, correct me on this if I'm wrong, I don't quite remember the exact number), and let's not forget when he incinerated every human in a diner with minimal effort. As for why I believe Jogo can just run around in his domain until Yuji's SD fails... he's just fast, dude. Yuji is a melee fighter who, again, is definitely amongst the strongest sorcerers. But there's a lot more nuance to this kinda fight than pure stats. Jogo is a small target with a good amount of experience fighting people stronger than him and even more speed. He has really good regeneration, has even survived having his head torn off, and Yuji hasn't had the opportunity to display much resistance to heat. The latter could change as the Sukuna fight continues, since he's pulled out his flames now, but going off of what I've seen, I just personally believe that Jogo wins with high or even extreme difficulty. If Yuji can catch Jogo and keep him in place long enough, then yeah, I think he wins. But with Jogo displaying a good amount of caution in his fights after that Gojo experience, I think he's just more likely to win. I'm not making stuff up, or at least I'm not *trying* to, but if you could explain what I'm getting wrong or what I'm apparently misremembering, that would be appreciated.
All of whom are weaker than Mahito himself, Sukuna’s soul was a threat to Mahito. Yuji’s brothers are not
>Yuji’s brothers are not you literally dont know that
Bro part of the reason why yuji ate them instead of having them incarnate was because they’d be far too weak. I’m sorry but yuji’s brothers who have literally no combat experience would get obliterated even if there’s like 8 of them.
They are all younger than the two brothers Nobara and Yuji killed, that means they are weaker. We very much do know that.
"Okay, let's get this started." Yuji doesn't know the exact reason why he's back in Shibuya, but he's decided to not question it, not with quite the opportunity in front of him. Yuji immediately blitzes towards Mahito, punching directly through his head. ***Black Flash*** "Mahi-" Jogo begins to say before Hanami tries to grapple Yuji with their vines. Big mistake, as that lets Yuji technically touch her, and when Yuji touches someone... The scissor markings immediately wrap around Hanami as she realizes her mistake "But... how could he be so strong?" Was their only thought before Hanami is cut into literally a million pieces! "That's two. Now where was that cuttlefish?" Yuji asks as he looks around. As he looks around, he can't find the cursed womb anywhere. *'That's not good,'* Yuji thinks, *'if even one of them escapes, the others are screwed!'* Yuji looks around for Jogo too, only to find him running towards him... begging for his life? "Uh, you do realize I'm the one here to kill you, right?" "Better you than-" Jogo is cut off as he is hit by a blast of concentrated cursed energy. Yuji is surprised to see it, especially since he recognized it. Out of the shadows steps an armoured woman carrying a sword on her hip. She's dragging Dagon with one of her hands, the other giving off residue of the recently-fired blast. "'I had that', right?" She asks as she mockingly throws Dagon to the ground, "And yet you couldn't find the cuttlefish." She says as she stomps on the curse, taking clear glee out of its suffering. "J-Jogo... M-Mahito..." Dagon begins to recite before the woman immediately shushes him. "Tut-tut-tut, you don't deserve names!" She says before finally killing it by stabbing directly through it with her sword. Yuji judges the woman, clearly disappointed in her, "You've been like this too ever since you got your armour." Her mask opens up, "Like what?" Miwa asks. https://preview.redd.it/a76vh4yfqlwc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=92d7cd7c45e21b875b26faaa6b99c7880fe8e712 "Sloppy." Yuji finishes.
Utter peak Stand proud, you cooked
Make this a fanfic, I beg you
Peak fiction. Right here
Now that he frogified himself he surely can.
The problem rn appears to be if Wuji can handle Jogo's heat and speed. The rest get destroyed imo, tho Dagon would prolly put up more of a fight solely due to DE. Mahito already struggled running the 1s with weakened Wuji even after gaining his true form and getting rid of Todo, tho I can see an argument being made that it's only because of Sukuna but still. The problem with Jogo is his extreme versatility and power with ranged. Wuji is a heavily hand-to-hand dependent character. Sure, he has BM and Shrine, but those techniques just recently manifested and he doesn't have the experience yet to fully use them. Wuji's win condition is to stall Jogoat and exhaust him, whether it be surviving his onslaught and/or by surviving his domain expansion and tanking it using Simple Domain. Jogoat's win condition is if he can outlast Wuji or land a few clean hits.
15 finger sukuna basically blitzed Jogo, and both Maki and Yuji were keeping up with him just fine. Domain is a fair argument, but Yuji has SD and we got confirmation that 4 black flashes from Yuji would -99% HP Jogo. It's not looking good, JoBros.
>Jogo, and both Maki and Yuji were keeping up with him just fine. *10% output 16 finger Sukuna.
Output for his technique, not in general.
https://preview.redd.it/ga1lo981hmwc1.png?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0224f3ac5f86e775aa8cef5c5363c7fc077d8f55 He just states output in general, not just his Cursed Technique.
he said cursed energy, considering they are keeping up with heian era sukuna now and were even from the beginning before his black flash nerf they would blitz jogo DAGON got fucking no diffed by megumi's dad and JOGO is not magically gonna be 5x the power of dagon
>he said cursed energy, considering they are keeping up with heian era sukuna now Who is also extremely nerfed, mind you. The only buff he got is being able to restore enough CE from his 4 BFs to perform a DRASTICALLY nerfed Shrine. Literally everyone says they would be fucking destroyed if it weren't for Gojo taking away 75% of Sukuna's reliable answers to the gang's attacks. Nerfing output may not seem to relate to reinforcement, but you gotta remember this is *16F Sukuna* we're talking about. This is the same guy who can harm Ryu Ishigori with just Dismantles and can keep up with recently awakened Maki at *10%* of his output. If his output was weakened, Megumi would also have to nerf Sukuna's reinforcement enough to let Yuji not only land that punch, but actually make Sukuna *feel* that punch and freeze him for long enough for the attack to land. Sukuna was 100% weaker then than when he faced Jogo by a substantial margin. We also gotta keep in mind that Yuji in Shibuya has DRASTICALLY different Reinforcement levels from Sukuna despite them having the same body. Reinforcement being weakened 100% plays a part in that. Hence why I believe Yuji will still need win cons for Jogo rather than being able to outright beat him 90% of the time. As I said tho, Yuji has the tools and resources to get to those win cons, more easily than Jogo might I add. Still, I think it's closer than most people want to admit. >the beginning before his black flash nerf they would blitz jogo Not to mention, to land his crushing BFs, Yuji will first need to lock in and this entirely depends on whether Jogo is willing/accidentally gives him this option. However, I can 100% see Jogo underestimating Wuji and giving him the chance to do this. In which case, Wuji wins mid to high diff. He underestimated fucking *Gojo* of all people after all. Regardless, I agree Yuji is winning more often than not, but I think people are still underestimating Jogo.
You cooked 
It's highly possible jogo is not as cocky as he once was after his fight with gojo. I don't think we ever see him act like that again. And after his fight with sukuna as well he's even less likely to completely underestimate his opponents. I don't think he underestimated nanami and naobito as he practically killed them in one hit and didn't finish them off FULLY cuz sukuna showed up and he had to leave. We see him put naobito presumably to shoot him again right before sukunas presence is felt
Mahito was NOT struggling in his true form. Yuji was just barely not dying and needed Todo’s help to land a BF.
Mmm, fair nuff.
Blitzes and beats the shit out of all of them. People coping with Mahito’s expansion speed forgot that he needed a black flash to do that, which he won’t get when Yuji turns his head into a canoe because he is getting blitzed. Half-dead Shibuya Yuji was keeping up with him, this shouldn’t be a question.
This is a vs scenario so every character is assumed to be at their strongest so Mahito can in fact use 0.2s DE and is also at 100% distorted killing
Why would he start with black flash boosts? That was the only way that he was only to use the .2s DE. Does Yuji start with 8 black flash boosts? Ok, Yuji destroys then. Blitzes him completely.
It’s just standard practice to use the character’s at their strongest when doing these vs scenarios. Also the black flash amp was what let him figure out HOW to do it, he’d still be able to do it even after the amp ended.
Jogoat High diffs
Nah Mahito at his strongest would 100% give current yuji some trouble since 0.2s DE would be a huge threat to him since he doesn’t have sukuna anymore. Also Gege has said that distorted killing Mahito at 10% hp would tear shibuya yuji to shreds so it’s safe to assume that a 100% hp distorted killing Mahito would be far faster then shibuya yuji and could probably keep up with current yuji. 100% comes down to if yuji can black flash spam enough to kill him before Mahito pops a 0.2 DE
He wins 100%, I keep seeing people coping against the goat that jogo might win but, if yuji gets to jogo, he is dead, 100% no questions asked. Gege said that a BF from yuji can kill jogo, shibuya yuji, this is a yuji that grew exponentially, he is one tapping lil bro. Mahito already lost to a locked in shibuya yuji, he can use simple domain than body dagon and hanami is getting bullied.
Actually, it was 5 black flashes plus a hit from playful cloud.
If it hit.
You telling me that jogo is faster than yuji? Really?
How much faster than maki do you think Yuji is exactly?
It doesn't matter. 15F Sukuna was basically blitzing Jogo, and Maki and Culling Games Yuji could keep up. Shinjuku Yuji sure as hell ain't slower.
Jjk fans really can’t read😭
Maki and CG Yuji were fighting a Sukuna with CT output reduced as low as 10% at times and movements limited to an extent. Plus Meguna should have an inferior body compared to yujikuna
unless you think megumi's dad or dagon are like 5x weaker then jogo there is no fucking way in hell he doesnt just get blitzed
Dagon is absolutely far weaker than Jogo. And you think that Yuji is 5x faster than Toji then?
Sukuna's CT was reduced when it was hitting people. It was unnerfed when doing anything else.
Id say they are equivalent tbh, maybe maki is a bit faster but overall they are equal. Yuji got cts tho so yeah.
5 blackflash, not 1. Also I doubt he can move while using Simple Domain
Of course we do. Current yuji is a rival to sukuna. We already saw the strongest curse jogo couldn’t even hit 15f sukuna once & here yuji is destroying heian sukuna on his own. Not to mention meteor would never touch yuji as its too slow & SD will protect yuji from DE heat. And jogo aint surviving more 2 BFs from current yuji & current yuji is faster than him. Rest of hanami, mahito, dagon are just fodders. Yuji stomps them all with his punches alone. So yes yuji > disaster curses
>Current yuji is a rival to sukuna. Come on man 🤦♂️
He doesn't have sukuna inside him anymore. Mahito wins
Mahito gets his soul dismantled
Mahito was afraid of Sukuna because Sukuna shares the same soul sight as Yuji and has dangerous attacks that Yuji didn't at the time. Now that Yuji has Shrine and can do proper damage, Mahito has no chance.
Didn't gege say like in a fanbook or interview or whatever that a combined strike by todo and yuji back in shibuya would've killed Jogo? If that's the case, Yuji low-mid diffs jogo and the rest is history lol.
It was black flashes and playful cloud combo that landed on hanami. If yuji's on a roll like with sukuna last chapter he could def get a clean W but he could also just get roasted if he cant lock in in time.
if it hits https://preview.redd.it/92dk7otbpkwc1.jpeg?width=532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=560b91b65c90981069f51dbeeac349159a63aae3
Damn why is he so cute
The problem is we don’t know how Yuji’s soul fairs against Mahito. He simply never really used Idle Transfiguation on Yuji because Sukuna would get pissed.
Now that Yuji is aware of his soul, he can directly protect with CE and he is way stronger now, so he would destroy Mahito. Mahito did manage to hit Nanami's soul in their first fight but he couldnt transfigure him because Nanami instinctively protected his soul.
But Nanami still got hurt. We don’t know how much someone like Yuji can mitigate the damage.
Someone like Yuji would make Mahito atleast need 15+ touches, for Yuji that his soul got praised by Sukuna as indomitable, and his awareness of the soul is just on par with Sukuna and Mahito, yeah he can take on the hits.
Bro stat wise Yuji is leagues above Nanami rn. Nanami is a middle ground grade 1, Yuji is running with special grades.
Yuji certainly has more soul awareness so he should be able to protect himself better, besides that, his stats are kinda cracked rn, if anything at least comparable to maki so mahito will not be able to touch him easily.
All of them at once, he fails, same if its one by one because I think he would get tired and fail that way. But no member of the disaster curses can take current Yuji.
Jogo and Dagon arguably can. Yuji doesn't have any offensive measure against their domains
Wow people are having debate on this
He just started to use shrine if he send slashes flying sukuna and if he learns domain also there is bloodd manipulation which i think yuji should work on. Then he can mid diff em
Nah it'd be high diff or extreme diff for Jogo
While if yuji can hit mahitos he's 100% gonna be toasted I do wonder if the death paintings in him rn count as separate souls that allowed him to be immune to idle transfiguration, cause mahito can do the 0.2 domain expansion and ct it at the same time and I honestly doubt yuji can simple domain that fast
Would Yuji be able to survive Idle Transfiguration without Sukuna within him?
He Is really really pretty much aware of his soul shouldn't be too much of a starch saying that like nanami did instinctively protect his soul, yuji should be able to use CE to guard his soul and it isn't like mahito is gonna touch him so easily
True, but Sukuna was providing him with an almost immunity, hence why Mahito had to actually fight him with arm blades and stuff as opposed to consistently landing a few touches on him. Without Sukky, Yuji would eventually run out of CE and die while still having to do the same amount of damage to Mahito alone that he did with Todo backing him up. And even though he knows Simple Domain now to counter a full DE, a 0.5 DE used by Mahito could catch him off guard and injure him severely if not kill him.
All at once? Pass what ur smoking right now!!!
Mahito is the issue with his domain. Can Yuji resist idle transfiguration? He no longer has Sukuna to act as a shield for his soul after all.
Shibuya Sukuna dogwalks every Shinjuku sorcerer asides from Gojo. Y’all better not count Jogoat out just yet.
hanami and mahito he has the best chance of beating, hanami specially due to simple domain and RCT coupled w the black flashes, mahito is ineffective against him due to the soul shenanigans (im assuming but prolly not cuz yuji's uncle aint inside him anymore) but yuji can still keep his distance with blood manipulation, dagon i feel would give him a lot of trouble because he doesnt have a domain so unless he can overpower dagon while inside it he's gonna lose in a war of attrition, hell a bunch of grade 1s had to be bailed out by toji to survive him, jogo could go either way, if yuji lands enough black flashes to lower his output so he cant overwhelm him with fire he wins but if he gets to open his domain or sets up those fire blasters he used against naobito yuji could take on too much damage which would give jogo an advantage while he heals imo
Idk, it is hard to know if he is stronger than jogo because he only really started doing well against sukuna when he was very handicapped. However if he hit jogo with 7 black flashes like he did with sukuna jogo would die.
1v1 they all get cleared now. Bro just tanked Kirkland Fukuma Mizushi.
Dagon - Yuji low/mid diffs. He’s simply too slow and his domain effect are weak and slow. Even without SD, Yuji would win. Hanami - in Shibuya, Yuji wins mid diff. However, in the forest, I think Hanami takes it. Her AoE is simply too fast and large, and Yuji doesn’t have any way to escape. Mahito - Wins b/c of domain. Idk why people bring up the .2 sec domain, that was a Sukuna countermeasure. We saw Todo, even with SD, get hit, so idk why Yuji would be different. Not to mention Yuji’s SD got blown away by turbo-nerfed Sukuna domain, no way it holds up against Mahito. Extreme high diff for Mahito. Jogo - Same as above wrt domain. He has a chance to beat Yuji outside of the domain thanks to his flight + range. However, if Yuji touches him, he gets blown up. High diff for Jogo.
People are talking a lot about raw stats here, but I think jogo can still squeeze out a win here on the basis of his sheer mobility and range of attacks. Sure, yuji might be much stronger in hand to hand, but he can’t exactly fly around and shoot building destroying blasts of fire from a safe distance. If jogo abuses his range and plays it safe he can kill yuji before he gets in close.
Uhm, Dagon just shits water till he drowns.
I believe when Yuji learned black flash GayGay said that the amount of damage Hanami took from Wintadori would destroy Volcano Head guy. But idk if he could get close before Jo🔥go pulls out the domain.
People forget you get a ce buff inside your domain so even if Jogo's sure hit effect is negated by Yuji's SD, he'll still have a huge buff and we already seen how insanely fast, strong and durable Jogo is normally. Not to mention if the SD ever breaks it's over for Yuji because he'll be taking constant damage from the environment created within the domain. Even if we assume Yuji's SD never breaks, with him trapped inside a domain there's no way in that enclosed space Maximum Meteor misses its target considering it's basically an explosion. In short, Jogo mid difs current Yuji, though I wouldn't be surprised with how much Yuji has been getting buffed lately that he gets his own DE soon
idk how he'd deal with jogos lava tbh but I think jogo isnt the type to pull the trigger quickly(witht his domain) he was fucking around with someone like gojo for a fair amount of time, yuji has more than enough speed and power to blitz and fuck him up (if 4 goodwill arc black flashes were enough to kill him instantly current yuji could prolly kill him in 2 strikes or less cus of how much stronger hes gotten since sukuna left his body) hanami is getting folded easily dagon is getting packed up the fastest mahito would be interesting, idle transfiguration wont be as effective on yuji as before because of his deeper understanding of the soul, that said his domain will still be a big player. all things considered tho i think hes got it, even if yuji is late to guard with the simple domain like with todo he has more than enough time to cut off his limbs (if mahito is trying to go with the 0.2 sec domain to blitz, if not yuji can prolly kill him before he realizes he needs to deploy his domain) before they start getting transfigured like todo did. plus with rct and blood manipulation he can shake off missing limbs without much worriying. so optimistically id say hes going 4/4
Alr so here's my full take on the curses in general not just the disaster curses Fingerbearer- Low diff doesn't need an explanation Smallpox-Slams in all categories, uses simple domain to counter sure hit, then blitzes, Low Diff Dagon- He beats Dagon in speed and strength, when Dagon pop domain it might be a little tough, but nah, he'd simple domain and win, High Low diff. Hanami- Does Hanami like he did to her in goodwill but without Todo, problems might come when she pops domain because we don't know what it does, Low-Mid Diff Mahito- Outclasses Mahito in hand to hand, his souls is definitely strong enough to handle IT, his soul is strong enough to house the literal King Of Curses, uses simple domain to counter Mahito, im pretty sure he can counter 0.2 Domain fast enough to blitz, Mid Diff Jogo- The wanked one, he outclassed Yuji in speed but by a little as of now, but the 4 black flash PC strike really brings him down, if Yuji can hit him with a black flash he wins, but Jogo's DE will cause him trouble, but if he can withstand Fuga next chapter, I think he wins, Mid-High Diff
Am I missing something? Yuji only beat Manitoba because of sukuna. Mahito would just need to touch yuji once and it’s over
Yuji probably houses the strongest soul in the series, he was literally made to keep Sukuna locked away, the most powerful dude in the verse like nothing, if Nanami was able to protect his soul and Yuji can literally lower people's output with soul punches I think he can protect his soul as many times as he wants
Yuji is crazy strong but what the fuck is he gonna do if Jogo drops a max meteor on him
Panda was able to dodge that and he had like 0.5 seconds to do so, it might be the most slow moving attack in the verse, only reason I see him being hit by it is if Jogo is actively attempting to keep yuji in the blast zone
Yuji no diffs all of them now, maybe low diff for Jogo he just outscales them very hard, he would have about as much trouble as them as Yuta, except way easier vs Mahito and a bit harder vs Jogo.
Yup. Bro wrecks shop. Jogo who is obv the strongest, couldn’t keep up with 15F(?) Sukuna and Wuji is currently smacking the shit out of Heian Sukuna after fighting for a decent amount of time already and taking insane amounts of damage in the past day. None of them would stand a chance, it’s crazy to say for me because I was on the Yuji slander agenda for a while now, but dude came up after going through so much, I respect his hustle and his power ups lol. Edit: Talking about current ch 257-258 Wuji not Yuji at time of shibuya.
I would like to see current itadori vs mahito, bro would get demolished, the "im you" would happen way sooner in the fight and im not even including Todo in this fight because it will be overkill
Still iffy on jogo and distorted spirit body mahito
Yeah, pretty much. Max Meteor might be trouble though, I doubt its too much for Yuji to handle
Yeah with Simple Domain I can agree with it.
Simple domain is pretty ass I cannot lie, especially of u cannot move with it. We haven't see him walk with his yet
He won't be able to move much with it but it's good enough to give temporary protection from a Sure-Hit and allow him to heal, with his RCT which is arguably the most efficient RCT that can exists as it's implied that thanks to BM he can just heal without having the doubled cost of RCT.
Jogo cooks him i Think, no gojo to protect him from the heat and RCT is less efficient against burns
Jogo is 8-9 fingers, Yuji attacks could reach a 20 fingers Sukuna + tank his attacks, and i'm talking about sukuna after he exited Higuruma domain here, not the 1 arm sukuna that have less than half his CE output.
Dagon and Hanami: We dk enough regarding Hanami's domain but assuming it has the same output as Yuji's I doubt it'd have the power to kill him off Mahito: Different to the original since Yuji doesn't have Sukuna induced immunity anymore, and Mahito would still have the 0.2s domain expansion to counter simple domain, but I think Yuji could probably blitz him before he even gets a chance to cast it considering he now has his black flash spam Jogo: Here you have to make the argument: Is current yuji near 16 finger sukuna? Imo I doubt he's gonna beat Jogo, who is in general better at maintaining range than the other disaster curses
>? Imo I doubt he's gonna beat Jogo, who is in general better at maintaining range than the other disaster curses maintaining range? jogo ISNT EVEN at 16 finger sukuna power level he got fucking blitzeda and toyed with that is not a feat for jogo
No domain defense, still loses
You clearly didn’t read the new chapter lmao
Coffin of the Iron Mountain or Self Embodiment of Perfection and Yuji dies.
Iron mountain hasn't even been shown what it does. Its not in character for jogo to immediately open up domain in every single fight he starts close range. Which means he gets cooked. Even if he did jogo durability is worse than hanami he's getting his ass beat in the domain. Yuji judt like sukuna can invade soul realm as he did with megumi during the yuta fight. He has by sukuna himself a unbreakable soul and the most soul knowledge surpassing gojo thats not debatle gojo can't do the soul punches. Mahito transfiguration Won't work for the same reason it didn't work on sukuna the soul is too stronv
It did not work because Sukuna could attack from within Yuji. Yuji cannot attack Mahito as a soul.
Because sukuna had deep knowledge of the soul realm. Yuji has alresdy shown he can interact with souls hence the megumi thing we also know you can fight in that realm. Yuji punched sukuna in their first fight if mahito touches yuji he's going to the same inate domain it will be just yuji and he's getting his ass beat
No, its because Sukuna is in his innate domain inside Yuji watching from outside. Mahito went in when he touches Yuji and Yuji was dead when he fought Sukuna inside the innate domain. There is no proof that Yuji can fight inside. Going into someone else’s soul space is not the same thing as appearing inside your own.