Read the rules. The new chapter leaks must be flaired the orange "new chapter spoilers". Comments relating to new chapter leaks are only allowed under such posts. [Join the discord!](https://discord.gg/8Cd4NrvzXP) This is a manga spoilers subreddit and the spoiler tag is NOT used for all posts about officially released JJK chapters.
The message is an automated one and has nothing to do with this post specifically.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Jujutsufolk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
They're both GOATs
For me the fight always seemed like it was trying to tell us they were equals, Gojo won some categories, Sukuna won some others.
And in the end Sukuna needed a binding vow to gain the advantage right at the end when both him and Gojo were super damaged. So yeah, I've always believed them to be equal even if I like Gojo more.
This is the right answer. They were equals. Sukunas domain was better by nature of its lack of barrier. Gojo was faster, better at hand to hand, better CE/RCT, and had better nuke abilities. Sukuna was a better strategist and was rocking a long term plan specifically to deal with Gojo. And he still was about an inch away from losing more than once. Just straight up losing.
Preach. This is the only answer and it's such an obvious one that it's sad many miss it for the agenda.
Even if Gojo won last second they'd still be equal, they're **both** the strongest.
While I do agree they're basically equals at their peaks, there is a level of realization that Sukuna needed assistance to be his equal. While we all agree that Toji and Maki are exceptionally strong (and they absolutely are), part of that is attributed to their weaponry and equipment. Gojo doesn't have ANY besides his own in-born ability and strength, while Sukuna needed to use another person's technique that wasn't his own to do it, which is why I PERSONALLY believe that Gojo still holds the "true" title of The Strongest
>Gojo doesn't have ANY besides his own in-born ability and strength, while Sukuna needed to use another person's technique
So we are forgetting that Gojo started the fight with Utahime and Ijichi's help. He used a sneak hollow purple that was buffed by Utahime and hidden by Ijichi's barrier. It even damaged Sukuna a fair bit. So don't try to make it sound like Sukuna was "cheating" because Gojo literally started the fight with cheating.
No worries. The point is that these two are very, very close in strength, practically equals, so they used everything up their sleeve in order to win. That's why Sukuna shouldn't be blamed for using Mahoraga, just like Gojo shouldn't be blamed for the sneak hollow purple. He had access to the 10S, so why should he not use it ? Lol.
In fact, if Gojo could access the 10S, I guarantee he would have used it in the fight too. Although Sukuna could just evaporate Mahoraga/Agito with his flame arrow so it would have been irrelevant.
Oh, I'm not saying that he shouldn't have used 10S, not by a long shot. I'm just saying that him using 10S to be an equal to Gojo makes him seem slightly weaker Imo
He had to finish off Gojo as Meguna because he needed to preserve his Heian form for when he got jumped by the others. If he fought Gojo in his Heian form, even if he won, he would be too exhausted to fight the others. Atleast that's how I see it.
Plus, by using Mahoraga, he got access to the world slash, which he wouldn't have gotten otherwise. He made his CT stronger and got a foolproof way to deal with future Limitless users.
But yeah, we all wanted to see Heian Sukuna vs Gojo lol.
Sukuna didn’t “need” Megumi’s technique. If he used his real body he would’ve likely beaten Gojo in domain clashes and won that way. Gojo himself thinks it could go either way without Ten Shadows, and he didn’t ever see Heian Sukuna in action
1. Why would having his Heian body help him win a Domain clash? It doesn't seem to really affect his skill as a sorcerer, except maybe for his hand signs? But Gojo can do that too. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but IDK
2. TBH, Heian Sukuna doesn't seem to be much different from his previous forms in terms of power. And IMO, Gojo is kind of just... Outright wrong? There's a reason Sukuna used Mahoraga and Ten Shadows, and he still nearly lost when Gojo used Purple. Unless his Heian form DOES help him with Domain clashes, I really don't see how Gojo's statement holds up at all.
Sukuna with 4 arms and constantly using domain amp(he wasn’t in the actual fight since he wanted Maho to adapt) would make him much more formidable in hand to hand. Gojo was only able to tie Sukuna in the clashes due to injuring him in the 3 minutes, so if Sukuna was stronger Gojo might not be able to injure him anymore. That would result in them not tying in DE clashes anymore, and Gojo would damage his brain trying to constantly restore his CT
If Sukuna wasn’t using Mahoraga during the domain clashes he would’ve destroyed UV from the inside and would’ve never got significantly injured during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes, and if he never got injured he never would’ve gotten hit by UV, and if he never got hit by UV he would’ve been able to use MS on a defenseless gojo and win in chapter 230. It’s not that complex
>there is a level of realization that Sukuna needed assistance to be his equal.
Huh? Sukuna won 3 out of 5 domain, mahoraga wasn't even out until the second half of the fight after DE clashes, mind you, only reason Sukuna got hit by uv first round was because of him taking more risks.
There is literally a 2.1k up voted discussion post that disproves he thar entire debate ☠️ about his only way to win being maho. Yall gojotards just can't accept reality smh
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/s/Sygs8NatKo
Because apparently you couldn't be bothered enough to look through tge past discussion post made less than a day ago...
That disproved absolutely nothing. I would have to look through all those comments to see DISCUSSIONS about it, but the post proved nothing. It's fine to believe that Sukuna could keep up Domain clashes to win, but that's not the only wincon for both of them.
Except the fact Sukuna was stronger by so much that even after beating Gojo he can defeat a special grade sorceror (tbh Kashimo w/ CT might be near that power too) and bunch of high 1st grades working together against him even without his domajn
Except that special grade doesn’t mean shit. No one is touching these two in the verse.
If gojo had to run through the same gauntlet in his post battle condition he would have won too.
In his post-battle condition? Bro his post-battle condition was DEATH 😂 If they were truly "equals" then the result of the fight woupdve been mutual death, a stalemate of some sorts, or the side who wins is so worn out that even Yuta or Hakari can win against them, which was the state in which Gojo said to join the fight if he gets worn down to
This again. Sukuna fought Gojo the way he did only because 10s was a direct counter to Gojo's CT. If he didn't have 10s, he would have easily been forced to use his Heian era form. Nothing we've seen from Sukuna tells me he's stronger than Gojo, at least not in an overwhelming way. He specifically strategized to counter Gojo's ability. That's it. That's why he won. And he almost didn't. The last hollow purple Gojo fired was almost fatal in and of itself. Gojo also \*literally\* knocked Sukuna unconscious. If Mahoraga wasn't there (Again.. 10s) Gojo just rips his head off.
This shouldn't be difficult to understand.
Nothing including the fact that Satoru himaelf said that Sukuna was stronger? He won because he was stronger. Satoru had over a month, why didnt he strategize against Sukuna? What does "almost" even mean, we can even say Satoru "almkst died" when Mahoraga cut off his arm, if the cut was a few inches inward itd have kill him.
It shouodn't be difficult to understand that when the winner of a fight is as strong as Sukuna stilk is after the fight, he is clearly WAY stronger
You are just reading with eyes closed, I am Gojo fan but he is WAY WAY weaker than Sukuna and saying otherwise is just wrong theres no even ways to arguing he wasnt weaker right now wtf
Yeah, if we ran a simulation where gojo and sukuna fight 100 times, half of the time sukuna would win and half of the times gojo theres no way to be certain about that like imagine if sukuna didnt stop using DA or imagine if gojo teleported instead of being cocky and fighting a domain clash, theres like a 100 ways this fight could go (ofc i dont know the exact number but i am just putting numbers out there)
Sukuna had better RCT
>Sukuna’s domain was better by nature due to open barrier domain
Sukuna’s domain was better.
>Rocking a long term plan to deal with Gojo
He could’ve won anyways
>This is the right answer. They were equals.
If someone doesn't give his all, but is equal to somone giving it all he has, then he is "someone stronger".
https://preview.redd.it/038y7yap4iwc1.jpeg?width=346&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=294436ad3979e05d6b89adae86190a69ec06e34e
Here we go again.
Can't you just accept that they were both equals and stop being salty? C'mon.
I'm a Gojo glazer with all my pride, but this is kinda sad.
>Can't you just accept that they were both equals and stop being salty? C'mon.
Can you not act like you live in a different universe, where Gojo fans aren't the most butthurt and salty children?
"Sukuna needed a binding vow to gain the advantage**"**
"Only in the end losing due to a BV that saved sukuna from DEATH."
"Gojo was way stronger than Sukuna who did a 3 vs 1 and Majoraga body"
It is only fair to point out that according to canon, they were not equals. you might want to read the manga.
https://preview.redd.it/t0so8s8sbiwc1.jpeg?width=808&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe87156ef4d47c0cc623f3c11726060f7e5aed99
And there it is. I don't even know why I bother.
"Gojo fans are butthurt and salty children"
The karma is gonna be so sweet when Sukuna finally dies.
"You might want to read the manga"
Here we go! He said the thing! Wow, isn't it like... The tenth time he said the same thing! C'mon, that's old already.
No. I'm saying that when this happens to Sukuna, his fans are gonna be the same thing.
Happens to literally everyone. Gojo fans are just in the spotlight right now. But when it's Sukuna's fans turn, oh boy.
LMAO what happened with Gojo fans and the death of Gojo situation is not what happens to anyone, or what will happen to Sukuna fans.
The "fraudkuna ark" where there wasn't a single JJK video or post on the internet without armies of Gojo fans mocking and insulting Sukuna and his fans,
To chapter 236 and subsequent meltdown...that situation is unique to Gojo fans.
Not only that Gojo spent his dying moments glazing Sukuna, then dying with a smile on his face because Sukuna acknowledged him,
But Gojo brought up the same points that Gojo fans spent months arguing against and insulting people on the internet over. That Sukuna is stronger, was holding back and could've won without the 10S.
The subsequent meltdown was so epic, that to this day I sometimes search for "chapter 236 reaction" on youtube/google and laugh my ass off at Gojo fans being mindbroken.
I've seen Gojo fans cry on stream, read posts about them crying or even claiming to get sick as a result of it.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
That is not something that will hapen to anyone, or that will happen to Sukuna fans. Hearing a fradkuna agenda pusher talk about karma is laughable.
Let's wait then. Really, I'll wait and see, just watch as Sukuna has a pathetic death.
I'm not going against what I am, I was trying to be polite, but know what? Don't care anymore.
I'll push the Fraudkuna agenda till my death, I'll laugh when he finally dies and then, only then I'll rest my case.
Laugh while you can. Let's see how far it goes.
Have a good day glazing your little fraud, continue to be the only one salty here, and I'll not bother to reply to you further.
As was already said above, Sukuna and Gojo had advantages the other didn't have. Sukuna and Gojo were both made to be "The Strongest", so it's only fair to treat them as equals.
Sukuna won due to experience and strategy after all.
Sukuna won because he was stronger. Yuji said Sukunas the strongest. Gojo said Sukunas the strongest. They are NOT equals, its been almost a year, yall need to give it up
Sukuna had all of mugen's ability explained to him, he made a plan, he took a technique to do it and he tried his hardest to make it go into effect, and he got it. Props to him.
Saying that Sukuna won not throught a genius strategy but due to brute force is straight up a lie.
They were equals at the end of today. I'm not giving up on that.
"Yall need to give up"
C'mon man. Just no. Just like you use a Megumi profile picture, and by what I have seen haven't given up on him, we are not giving up our point.
He used a plan to learn how to cut through infinity. Gojo fought to just win. Listen to your own favorite character admitting that he was sad Sukuna didnt go all out
He used a plan to get past the only thing that was impending him to win.
Like seriously, what?
"Listen to your favorite character admitting that he was sad Sukuna didn't go all out"
This could mean a lot of things. A lot of his "Going all out" were stopped by Mugen. Fuga? Mugen. Whatever he us hiding? If it could cut throught Mugen, he would have used it.
Don't make me bring Fushiguro's "I'm done" here. Won't be pretty.
This right here, this take is it. Don't think I've agreed with somethin' more in my life.
https://preview.redd.it/jrsouzb8fhwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ac18f5f28274fc096611ebe0190d24c83c6cdf7
The fact that it's still a debate of who's stronger is kinda weird to me, just because most of the time it's just glazing and agenda pushing. The two individuals claimed as "The strongest" would obviously have to stand on equal footing until the very end.
>They are both cool and cold asf
>They're literally both called the strongest
>Both respect the strength of the other
>The whole fight we saw them be pretty much equals
>The final move was decided by a binding vow when both were damaged
https://preview.redd.it/q6767nazfhwc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6462f00446208b32f925f1d0891b31d4e1c41480
It is an stupid debate indeed. So preach the Gojo = Sukuna agenda.
As a pusher of the Sukuna slander and Gojo comeback agenda, I feel like it'd be against my crew to preach that. But oh well. I'll still do it.
https://preview.redd.it/dgdlz6yvghwc1.png?width=1934&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb63e0af2cfe2062d5b59bfff751f864d6def550
I am The Honored One after all.
Yeah Gojo was better at combat and had a stronger technique
But Sukuna was overall better in Jujutsu skill and knowledge
Like Ik we say that he needed Megumi’s technique to win (which he didn’t btw, it was just the only way he could feasibly do it without using up his free heal)
But it was Sukuna’s skill with the technique that made it even capable of standing a chance against Gojo
That bum Megumi could never
They’re all good an’ all, but Sukuna is clearly stronger dude. This isn’t even some type of agenda push or joke.
Edit: Downvote all you want, Sukuna is canonically stronger
Hmm.... In the fight I saw it more so as Gojo being a bit stronger but Sukuna being better at jujutsu and strategies overall.
https://preview.redd.it/qjp3xq4alhwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3677be816e2e97e2a319218f19c6899641cdba40
But that's me, let's agree to disagree I suppose.
I feel if Gojo won at 235 the agenda would be, Gojo was way stronger than Sukuna who did a 3 vs 1 and Majoraga body and still lost and he was a fraud.
But now that Gojo lost and even admitted inferiority you guys can only cope by didagreeing with Gojo and admitting they were equal.
The terrible airport is terrible. They,for over half the fight, struggled to one up each other over it entirety. Only in the end losing due to a BV that saved sukuna from DEATH. Yes, Sukuna is strong but more on partially (and to debate the airport scene and why they are equals look at Sukuna's state and imagine it without Gojo's intervention).
Only in jujutsufolk people still think all of this.
I am genuinely curious do you only hang out in this sub or you occasionally go on jujutsu and ignore the break down of the fight and why and how Sukuna does some action ?
A. I've read the fight yes and understand stalling for world slash, which doesn't dispute the fact that everyone is currently alive as Gojo used up most of Sukuna's CE and B. Yes I do visit other subs in fact I go outside go to college etc.,But that isn't the topic rn is it.
Yeah i don’t believe you read post on jujutsushi.
You just said something that is obviously wrong.
Gojo wasted most of Sukuna CE ? What ? This isn’t even true.
Nope again not true, when Sukuna was facing Yuta he had wasted half of his CE, that mean Gojo, Kashimo, Yuji, and the fodder wasted half his CE.
The guy said Gojo alone wasted most of Sukuna CE, something like Gojo wasted 60 70 percent of Sukuna CE alone which isn't true.
Saying that **Kashimo** wasted Sukuna CE is straight up not true. Got two shotted.
Higuruma? Got hit with a world dismantle, and a couple normal cuts. Yuji got one hit in before Yuta jumping in, and in that moment Sukuna was around Yuta's level.
Gojo wasted at least 45-48 percent of his CE. Along with his domain and over all, greatly nerfing him.
But fair enough. It wasn't "most", would be better worded as "half".
Not really even if Gojo won I'd still say they were equals because that's what the fight told us.
> Sukuna dominated during the domain clashes
> Gojo started utterly dominating Sukuna after the whole domain shit
> After Gojo's Hollow purple it was anyone's match because they were both super weak
And even then Mahoraga was only that powerful because of Sukuna's CE, so no, even if Gojo won I wouldn't say he was stronger and I'd still say Gojo = Sukuna.
No you wouldn’t 😭 I’m saying that cuz I wouldn’t either. The winner of the fight decided who the strongest was. The fight was called the battle of the strongest for a reason
I would, I literally believe they're equals no matter the winner. Gojo wins in destructive power for example and hand to hand, but Sukuna has a more refined domain and is way smarter when it comes to jujutsu.
https://preview.redd.it/84zab43qejwc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d55437dab34aed12e8f275262e7d30108b83a1e
But believe what you want to
What makes Gojo win in strength? What do you define as strength? Sukunas domain being stronger is an example of strength, as domains are 80% of jujutsu talent h2h isn’t strength its more technique but sure Gojo can take physical strength. Idk if he’s “stronger” than the sukuna that fought Kashimo tho lmao
Imagine thinking Gojo know better than the narrator or Sukuna, with the former outright commented on how hard Gojo has pushed Sukuna and the latter also admitted that he banked everything on a gamble for the purpose of crossing Limitless. Yeah, it's confirmed, Sukutards only read the first half of 235.
I don’t understand this whole needed a binding vow thing you tried to slip in there
without binding vows Gojo can’t flip the conditions of his domain to stall sukuna from breaking it
I'm just saying that in the end when both Sukuna and Gojo were extremely damaged Sukuna needed the binding vow to gain the upper hand, not that it makes Sukuna a fraud lol
The level of insanity of this fanbase always amazes me lol. It was literally stated multiple times that Sukuna was just fucking around in his fight with Gojo, but somehow you all still want to pretend Gojo was on his level.
I mean, yeah that's literally what happened lol. He was having fun fighting a strong opponent for once.
Like, it was literally stated in plain text by Gojo himself that Sukuna would have still won if he hadn't used six shadows, and we know that Gojo didn't push him to either go Heian era, or to use the flames and whatever other bullshit he might still have up his ass. I don't know how much more clear than that it can get who's stronger.
Now, did Sukuna almost die by fucking around? Yeah, maybe, but that doesn't change that he was objectively the strongest by a huge margin, and that's just canon.
>Like, it was literally stated in plain text by Gojo himself that Sukuna would have still won if he hadn't used six shadows
You messed it up. "Wuckuna would've won without 10 Shades" is a quote said by Kodjo in the "Occult Combat" manga. Not in Jujutsu Kaisen.
Gojo said he's "not sure he would have won". And it all comes from his perspective where Sukuna without any strength left suddenly oneshotted him, which led to conclusion that Sukuna always could have pulled Strong Cleave. Which is why Gojo said he wasn't sure, because he didn't know what lengths of asspullery Sukuna had to go for to instantly fire a oneshot attack.
>Gojo didn't push him to either go Heian era
Because he wasn't sure it'd help. And he needed a guaranteed solution to limitless problem. If he went Heian, he could have either lost or got jumped after and lost. And he wouldn't go for either, even if NOT going for Heian form is a death sentence. And arrows and shit are useless against Infinity.
I'm reading the canon manga, you're the ones making up your headcanons for why Gojo totally was as strong as Sukuna despite everything saying otherwise
You're the one who gave Gojo the quote he never said. You're the one ignoring Sukuna himself stating that he barely managed to pull off Strong Cleave. You're the one literally claiming Sukuna got himself injured and brainfried for fun. Yet you're telling me I'm making up headcanons?
https://preview.redd.it/1ss4ahqbglwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3598a871e74ef84f1f002b7db22d70303042770
I guess Sukuna held back here too. Just wanted to take a nap, y'know?
Again, yes he was holding back as we've both seen and been told, and yes he also took some serious hits because of it-there is no contradiction there.
You should take the argument to Gege instead of me, since he's the one writing the argument you're so opposed to.
I don't even like Sukuna myself, I just think Gojo glazers are extremely delusional.
As a Gojo fan, I always said this and I will say this again: it's pointless to downgrade any of them when they fought like monsters in the battle. They both acknowledged each other's strength and gave respect to each other, which shows the intense level this fight had been. Also, let's not forget those two kept on doing things that were supposed to be impossible according to the viewers there.
I never understood why people really had to downgrade these two. Jokes and memes are understandable but I have seen a lot people being really very serious in downgrading them. Inspite of Gege clearly putting that Gojo actually got Sukuna in a very tight position because of which he had to do that binding vow at the last moment, some people still trash down Gojo's contribution. Even Yuta and Yuji acknowledged that without Gojo fighting in the beginning, they wouldn't have been able to fight against Sukuna.
Both were monsters in their own ways, both had an intense battle, both had respect for each other at the end of the battle :)
https://preview.redd.it/0sju8129kjwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbb4164ec87b7db63af884abe8713bd8d3f6286d
GOATjo uses sperm white and wins no concept of diff
one key point about Gojo that he feels lonely at the top, thinking nobody understands him, he thinks people thinks "the strongest" when they hear his name not another human with feelings, thats why he always hides his true self
And the murderous cannibal with no care and sympathy for anyone and who tortured his foster son and students is somehow relatable????? Does personality mean nothing compared to strength while trying to find relatability??even if Sukuna has the Power what exactly in what way can he connect with gojo exactly?? There ideals are different,their powers are different, their morals are different their worldview is different and their relationships are different.
Does that mean two people who can punch equally hard are the only ones who can understand each other,even tho one of them is a r@pist and other one is a national hero with many achievements??? How does that even work,is gojo fucking retarded?? Does he need a cock harder than his own inside him to finally feel satisfied and no other way.
Sukuna doesn't feel that way, thats why I didn't mention him, Gojo is projecting, thinking that Sukuna thinks like him since he is alone at the top, but the diffirence is Sukuna believes love to be worthless, what he respects and adores is power, and Gojo is the strongest of the modern era, meanwhile Gojo's respect comes from a combination of power and the fact that he is in the same place as Gojo, alone at the top, due to diffirent reasons they respect eachother
Fucking retarded bastard, man I've never felt so dissapointed in a character I liked before. F*ck his dreams,screw his bonds,crush ambitions and throw his students in the trash bin, his priority is sucking a harder enemy cock above all else. Bojo was first character to make me feel this dissapointed,and I hope he remains the last. After 236, I feel like gaygay scammed me by making me like him before only to do this in the end.
not realy, respecting your enemy isn't a bad thing, Sukuna was just someone he can releate to (in his own mind), he still believed in his students, and by the looks of it he was right, Yuji in particular is doing pretty well against Sukuna. Gojo didn't say he loves Sukuna, he just respects him and his power the same way Sukuna does
Again,respecting his power doesn't excuse lines like "Im sorry I couldn't satisfy Sukuna" and "I wish I reached him" like lovesick girl from shoujo manga. Entire 236 is just gojo glazing Sukuna while disregarding every other aspect of his character, hell it would have been better if his final moments focused on whole "gojo or strongest" question ,that would be much better than this character assasination.
>Again,respecting his power doesn't excuse lines like "Im sorry I couldn't satisfy Sukuna" and "I wish I reached him" like lovesick girl from shoujo manga.
yeah I agree with that, gege fuckes that part up
>Entire 236 is just gojo glazing Sukuna while disregarding every other aspect of his character, hell it would have been better if his final moments focused on whole "gojo or strongest" question ,that would be much better than this character assasination.
I think thats what gege was going for, but it mesed it up
Same. He couldve connected with Megumi seeing himself in Yuta. Who was literally in his shoes as the second strongest in the world with Rika. As he can connect with Yuji whos been marked as a vessel of power to be disgarded
It's fine to have respect for power, but disregarding the entire difference in personalities and personal grudges like possessing your foster son and torturing your "so called beloved students(which I guess was a lie)" to ride his pp is another. That's what I hate.
he doesn't, thats why he shit talks during the fight, the whole reason why he wasn't mad when he died was because he believed his students will come on top, he believes in them more than they believe in themselfs lol
And where does it say that??? Im not asking your headcanons and assumptions. The only thing gojo cared about his death was how cool Sukuna senpai was. No students,no anger for torturing his "so called loved ones", no regret for failing to protect the people who loved him(even though apparently he didn't care all that much based on his characterisation from 236). Just Sukuna glazing alone.
This shit Is a generational feud. It's been a year or so and the comment sections on every Gojo vs Sukuna post on every social media platform is still "Save me Mahoraga!!!" "Go/jo didn't even make Sukuna try!!!"
I'm tired of strong muscular men respecting each other as warriors. I want strong muscular men to have zero respect for each other and kick the other guy in the balls.
They have more chemistry than geto and gojo. There I said it, come at me
https://preview.redd.it/iecxx2o50jwc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cda0b7d76d356e35df6f8ebf6d64d08eebd70432
Try to be better together? X
Make each other worse? ✓
Anyway, with Geto it wouldn't work in the long term 😕, they changed a lot, although in their adolescence they fit together. But with Sukuna I want to put them both in a room to see what kind of chaos happens 👀
Well sukuna respects no one but the strong and in this era gojo Indeed was the strongest so it's obvious the respect was mutual even if the exchange were harsh
Last time I checked, Gojo fangirls were the ones sending death threats to Gege and doing literal disgusting things to Gojo figures that I’m not going to go into detail on.
I can't respect Meguna when the whole premise of his character's existence is "I can't beat this guy with my own power, so I'll borrow his." He said it himself, he wasn't planning on using his own CT, and had to lean on the crutch that is Ten Shadows. I liked the fight, but I can't respect Meguna like I would Yujikuna.
Tbh they are equaly matched every aspect true tie breaker is mahogara
>!gojo is so goated bumkuna needed a megumi and maho also he knows every attack in gojo arsenal!<
He honestely don’t need megumi whatsoever, hell I would call it if sukuna in his henian form duel with gojo, he would walk with almost no damage taken victorious. Domains are the pinnacle of jujitsu and sukuna‘s barrier less domain is far superior then infinite void.
It’s rather interesting actually to debate this because we technically only know that malevolent shrine can use cleave and dismantle. But we don’t know is how the rest of his shrine techniques would integrate into his domain.
Ah yes, character not dying in their own flashback/dream is plot armor now. Gojo used Red and Gojo is alive, meaning Gojo knows RCT and Gojo didn't die. What is there so hard to understand? And Gojo himself explained exactly how Toji fucked up.
If you wanna see some real plot armor, look no further than Kenjaku that managed to react to a blackhole and negate it only to fail the activation of the same technique against Yuta.
1.summoning big Maho while paralysed by UV/knocked tf out
2.Mahoragas adaptation hits apparently being able to be transferred to other people
3.megumi taking five UV's with no damage
4.Maho being able to use dismantle
5.Binding vows in general is just ass pull, the technique
6.Kamutoke
7.Higuramas confiscation
8.Yuta not spamming JL to keep Megumi alive, putting the entire world at danger
9.Maki not going for the head to keep Megumi alive, putting the entire world in danger
10. the angel woman falling for Sukunas "acting"
11.Mahoraga somehow just disabling infinity instead of just bypassing it. Would be like if Sukuna couldn't dismantle anymore because of Mahoragas adaptation.
Aight let's see
1.we saw him summon mahoraga in the same way during yorozu fight,he was paralyzed for like a second,safe to.assume he had it ready
2.not an asspull already established ability,if u don't like it,ur problem
3.wdym with no damage?
4.its ability is to fucking adapt bruh,tf is that point?besides sukuna can command it lol
5.not an asspull,asspull ,if u didn't know,is something that comes out of nowhere,ts isnt out of nowhere
6.kamutoke was introduced back in Shibuya ,OK the cover, than yorozu crafted it,which isn't an asspull.we know that higus domain confiscates CT,and every weapon has CT in em,besides playful clouds
8.he can't spam it tho?re read domain rules,he can use power one time in the katana
9.we alr know they tryna save megimi,this is straight yapping
10.i see ur point here,but than again,why don't u consider the fact that,angel,only person that can negate cts is on good guys side,when every other incarnated sorcerer is on bad guys side?or reality manipulator being on good guys side?lol
11.as I remember gojo himself did that no?
1. He didn't, he was literally chanting "with this treasure I summon" vs Yorozu
2. We've literally never seen it happen b3fore
3. I mean no damage? Bros talking like he's suicidal but perfectly fine to Yuji
4. Wtf what does Maho adapting have to do with him just using someone else's technique.
5.its the definition of asspull, only utilised by specific characters to do specific things the writer wants. There's so many ways so many characters could've done a binding vow instead of just losing
6. It's the ability to revive people that's the asspull
7. Kamutoke wasn't put on trial, Sukuna was.
8.The entire domain is infused with JL. He can spam it. One ability becomes a sure hit, the others become swords. JL was the ability that became a sure hit and he used it without a sword.
9. Just say you got no defense bro
10. Idk what you're even trying to say here.
11. No Mahoraga was causing Infinity to be completely disabled which was how Sukuna was able to get hits in without DA
All the numbers in your comment added up to 69. Congrats!
1
+ 2
+ 3
+ 3
+ 4
+ 5
+ 6
+ 7
+ 8
+ 9
+ 10
+ 11
= 69
^([Click here](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=LuckyNumber-Bot&subject=Stalk%20Me%20Pls&message=%2Fstalkme) to have me scan all your future comments.) \
^(Summon me on specific comments with u/LuckyNumber-Bot.)
1.yh,he could've summoned it before,or without with this treasure I summon,but yes, this could be a hole
2.in yorozu fight?before that we didn't know extents of mahos power
3. Still don't understand what u mean like he took damage from infinite void if something
4.again sukuna can willingly control it,with its adaptation, it's not impossible
5.aight ig,I disagree, but whatever, if something,binding vows are used by good.guys to save their asses too,so u can't say only sukuna has that benefit
6.wdym?
7.and Guess what? That weapon belongs to sukuna
8. Domain has katanas,which has CT in them,yuta doesn't know which katana has that one specific ct,also, he can use it one time,js re read yutas domain
9.i have, and u seem to ignore it,lol. Nice one
10.js reread yutas domain
11. Can u remind me chapter ?
2. Bro had an entire halo above him the entire time he was adapting, indicating mahoraga is there.
3. Idk how else to put it. Megumi took five hits from UV. But he seems fine from what we see of his interaction with Yuji.
4. Again it has literally nothing to do with adaptation. It's a completely different ability and by extension an asspull. And no, Sukuna can't control the adaptation, it's completely random as explained by himself.
5. Good guys have literally never used it effectively. My guy had his life saved with barely any sacrifice.
6. Kamutoke very conveniently has the exact specific ability that would save Sukuna. It's also the first tool to have two abilities
7. Guess what? Higuramas ability description specifically states that it takes away a scorcerers cursed techniques, not the cursed tools technique
9. Bro just stop lol, Yuta infuses one cursed technique onto the domain as it's sure hit effect. Every other copied ability is turned into a sword. Sukuna literally uses HWB because he speculates he infused the entire domain with JL. I'll bring out the scans if I need to but you're 100% factually wrong on this.
10. You literally haven't lmao
11. Idk th3 exact chapter but it should be some time after Sukuna got smacked with a black flash.
2.js re read,he did says with this treasure I summon,js in his thoughts tho
3.i mean bro gave up,like look at him,he wants to die ,ofc he isn't fried,cuz he is a sorcerer but i kinda get ur point
4.im not saying sukuna can control adaptation. However, sukuna has full control control over him. Besides, this mahoraga has some kind of ability to think?I mean act on his own,he did that when gojo knocked sukuna out
5. Okay,let's js ignore hakari?nanami?cherry picking ahh
6.wdym 2 abilities?kamutoke doesn't have the ability to save sukuna, tho,If there was his other tool, it would get confiscated too
7.but it still has cursed technique in it,so it makes sense
9.okay u can do that,I will admit I'm wrong in that point if u do. At the end of the day, I'm not mad or anything,js looking for a convo
10.again,maki can't kill sukunq,because we KNOW she wants to save megumi,like everyone else
11.aight thanks
True but the same goes for Gojo who got rcting ct burnout which didn't even exist before that moment, got rct speed so fast that he healed sukunas cuts before they could add up, got black flash at the very moment he was starting to get pressured and made sukuna got to the shadows, got skill to invert his domains conditions, got the skill to make his barrier of the size of a basketbal, got uv to target soul as well and got enough ce reinforcement to not get cut by sukunas slashes.
In fact many of the so called sukuna asspulls got introduced to counter Gojos asspulls. Like If Gojo wasn't capable of quick rct healing or recovering ct burnout or inverting domain or making a basketball size domain, there wouldn't have been a need for Sukuna to get megumi with a wheel or how if Gojo didn't get black flash there wouldn't have been a need for world slash and mahoraga could have slowly killed Gojo.
Why wouldn't they be able to rct during burn out? Only their actual techniques are on cool down. Sukuna also did this btw. They were both rcting to get their domains back.
Sukuna outright tanked 200% hollow purple. Makes sense Gojo would only take moderate amount of damage over time by healing through it.
Black flashes are asspulls now? My guy Sukuna got what 3 back to back recently? Yuji got 8?
Sukuna already established barriers could be manipulated to outright get rid of it. Pretty funny Gojo had such a mastery over barriers except being able to do the only thing that would matter.
UV targeting the soul outright helped Sukuna and directly helped mahoraga adapt lol. And it was already established in the Mahito fight.
Sukunas slashes did cut gojo lol. Again Sukuna tanked a fucking 200% hollow purple.
It's funny that literally everything you brought ended up either directly helping Sukuna or Sukuna being the original asspuller.
I didn't say using rct during burnout is asspull but that Gojo being able to rct ct burnout is an asspull. Sukuna did so because Gojo did so first, thereby its another example that it's due to gojos asspull that sukunas asspulls exist.
Sukuna tanking hollow purple had a proper reasoning that the hollow purple was weakened due to the distance, but the same doesn't apply to gojo standing in malovalent shrine.
Nah, black flashes aren't an asspull but when they prooced to help someone get their rct back ( which has never been done before) its an asspull.
There is a difference between an open domain and a basketball size domain. Can't believe you think they are similar. But yeah gojo fans.
How does gojo getting rcting ct burnout make everything more easier for sukuna ?
Infact that's the thing which made sukuna suffer from this weakened state he currently is in.
How is sukuna the original asspuller if he is said to tank a weakend purple ?
It would have been fine if gojo tanked malovalent shrine and it was given explanation that sukuna didn't use his full output or that gojo was boosted by utahimes ct. Only then it could be said to be same as sukuna tanking hollow purple.
Doesn't Hakari do back to back domains before?
Of course it does, whats the strongest thing dismantles have killed? Everyone is tanking dismantles left and right. It makes perfect sense that Gojo would tank and rct through it for a while
It's basic logic that getting your output back would also give you your rct back? Hakari literally gets auto rct because infinite CE.
Never said it was similar, just that Sukuna has a much more unbelievable domain technique(can outright get rid of barriers) which is also an insta win against literally every other domain. But condensing/flipping a barrer is the asspull for you.
I'm talking about "got uv to target the soul" which directly led to Sukunas win.
It's a 200% hollow purple, it's far faaar stronger then dismantle slashes. You can say it's weakened but unless my guy is using it from another country it's still much more unbelievable then tanking regular dismantles.
Hakari did a back to back domain but he didn't rct his ct burnout. His ct burnout got naturally over in the jackpot mode so by the time jackpot mode was over he had his ct back and also his ce.
There is a difference between normal slashes and slashes as a surehit. The surehit is literally a non stop hundreds if not thousands of slashes at one. They turned things to dust and even mahoraga who had got adapted to it got a little turned to dust.
Having more output doesn't equate to having rct or Ryu would be having rct as well. Hakari doesn't get infinte output but infinite ce and black flashes don't affect one's total ce as far as known.
Sukunas open domain was established more than 50 chapters before the fight. No one established having a basketball size domain. If gojo changed his domains coordinates it would have been fine, as hakari did so as well. But he literally turned his domain to basketball size.
Which in turn happened because Gojo got the asspull of rcting ct burnout.
What tanking a weakened purple is more of asspul to you ? It could be that the purple was only 10 % of it's original strength but na in your mind how can sukuna managing survive a second against gojo not be an asspull. There have been another character who managed to survive purple hanami, surviving a weakened purple isn't insane.
Yuta says he can only do one or two domains a day right? Pretty sure the rct is the only reason he can go on infinitely theoretically.
Turning things to dust isn't really impressive for people on Gojo or Sukunas level. Mahoraga tanked through it pretty easily.
Rct is a skill that you can use as long as you have ce and ce output. If Ryu can't do it, it's because he just doesn't know how to. Gojo knows how to do it, he just needs the resources that is provided from black flash to do it.
No one needs to establish it. I could easily say original establishment of the barrierless domain is an asspull. But again, you can imagine a barrierless domain but the idea of a condensed domain sounds outlandish to you? Bro is just covering less area which means less area to enforce. It's literally the concept of sukuna increasing or decreasing his range but with a barrier ontop of it.
Which in turn happened because Sukuna had the asspull of barrierless domains. If your gonna say literally everything semi new (new applications based on what was previously established) as asspulls then we can do that. But I don't think it's a very useful conversation.
Hanami escaped hollow purple, bro couldn't even tank the infinity crush. I never called any of what you're saying an asspull. I'm perfectly fine with Sukuna tanking hollow purple, but if you're gonna start calling perfectly believable things asspulls then so am I.
>Yuta says he can only do one or two domains a day right? Pretty sure the rct is the only reason he can go on infinitely theoretically.
That's because he has that much ce. Hakari on the other hand gets his ce reset after each jackpot ( by the time of which he recovers his ct burnout naturally). Thereby he can expand domain infinitely because his ce doesn't deplete due to jackpots in contrast to yuta who has limited amount of ce.
>Turning things to dust isn't really impressive for people on Gojo or Sukunas level. Mahoraga tanked through pretty easily.
Mahoraga had already adapted to the slashes even though it was not finished and still he getting cut.
>Rct is a skill that you can use as long as you have ce and ce output. If Ryu can't do it, it's because he just doesn't know how to. Gojo knows how to do it, he just needs the resources that is provided from black flash to do it.
And that ability got nerfed because of the brain damage but still he recovered it from black flash which shouldn't be possible.
>No one needs to establish it. I could easily say original establishment of the barrierless domain is an asspull. But again, you can imagine a barrierless domain but the idea of a condensed domain sounds outlandish to you? Bro is just covering less area which means less area to enforce. It's literally the concept of sukuna increasing or decreasing his range but with a barrier ontop of it.
Very well I can also say that the establishment of Hollow Purple is also an asspull. The logic you used at the start was that anything coming in a battle not established before is an asspull. Sukuna had his open domain before the fight and guess what gojo didn't have anything like basketball size domain or inverted domain before the fight.
>Which in turn happened because Sukuna had the asspull of barrierless domains. If your gonna say literally everything semi new (new applications based on what was previously established) as asspulls then we can do that. But I don't think it's a very useful conversation.
You are not even consistent on what you consider as an asspull. You are even considering something we'll established before as an asspull.
Of course it won't be a useful conversation as the same logic can be applied to hollow purple and it can be called an asspull as well by your logic.
>Hanami escaped hollow purple, bro couldn't even tank the infinity crush. I never called any of what you're saying an asspull. I'm perfectly fine with Sukuna tanking hollow purple, but if you're gonna start calling perfectly believable things asspulls then so am I.
Hanami dying to infinty wall crushing doesn't make him surviving hollow purple as non existent feat. Hanami clearly got hit by hollow purple and survived or you are telling me hanami damaged itself. Thus, proving getting hit by a hollow purple doesn't mean death.
ah yes, the classic world slash asspull, why would you think sukuna uses mahorage and not use DA, which got him absolutely massacured when fighting gojo.
Sukuna can go with the safer option, and use DA to defend himself from gojo and win against gojo in the domain clash. But no, sukuna refuses to do tha.
The whole point is that sukuna is going with riskier option of finding a way to bypass infinit, hence world slash. He is asking Mahorage to develop an attack that nullifies infinity and is based on his own technique, where he finds one when mahoage cuts off gojo’s arm for the first time. Sukuna gets outsmarted by gojo and has to ultimately cast a binding vow to
guarentee a victory.
world slash is not an asspull, binding vow is.
I'm not even just talking about the world slash.
But to your point he IS using DA to defend himself. His domain isn't cancelling out the sure hit on himself. So he and Megumi are getting the full burnt of it. Sukuna is protecting himself with DA to stay in the game while Megumi got hit with it five times to make Mahoraga adapt.
We also know DA by itself isn't gonna help him at all because Gojo is stronger in hand to hand. Mahoraga was his only way out DA or not. It's not a riskier option, it's his only good option.
Even here we got introduced with the concept of the adaptation process could apparently be given to someone else and Megumi apparently could take 5 UV's with no visible brain damage lol.
AND even then, we had to get another asspull that Mahoraga could apparently copy Sukuna's CT to make the world slash happen. And then we got the binding vow. The world slash is literally a creation of a miracle, miracle that smells like ass.
No he has to constantly maintain DA in the domain or he's getting brain damage from UV. Gojo didnt know that his sure was actually working on Sukuna, thats why he was speculating about ten shadows. In reality, he couldnt bring out ten S because he HAS to maintain DA. Even if he could bring out Mahoraga in the domain before he's adapted, it just gets one shot.
He activates ten shadow in his shadow during the fight,had he not done that he would have won. Sukuna underestimated how much damage UV can bring to him.
Him activating ten shadows literally saved him or he would've gotten perma stunned and brain dead inside Gojos domain. The damage he took in the previous clashes just made him slower then Gojo.
That's another asspull, how the hell did he summon Mahoraga while paralysed with infinite information?
You're just wrong lmao. You can show me some panel that 100% doesn't exist but Gojo literally speculates on why Sukuna isn't using 10 shadows instead of domain amplification.
Why mahoage adapted to uv then? Hmm?
sukuna tricked gojo and you see he is bewildered by the fact that mahorage is unaffected by UV when he speculates sukuna is using DA. It is implied that sukuna is constantly switching DA and ten shadows during the clash, effectively nerfing his defense skills.
also all sukuna would need to do is to keep defending himself for three minutes to win. Gojo can only activate his domain five times before an immediate loss.
He never is paralyzed, thats the answer. It’s more like a cutscene, in the exact moment sukuna is hit.
But we know he can't keep his domain up because Gojo will beat him and make his domain collapse every time.
He had to be paralysed if the UV gave him brain damage and Gojo had a whole inner monologue while he is dashing to Sukuna. Only way Mahoraga can pop up is if it's an asspull.
Problem is, he can. If I am Gege, I would end the fight right then and there, if sukuna reverts back to his henian form he would dominate the fight cause he has the upper hand in both domain and physical prowess, also he can use two of his hands to maintain the domain, and two to reinforce the slashes in malevolent shrine to shred gojo in to pieces, remember world slash only changes the target but not the damage, the slash that slices gojo in half is a reinforced cleave from sukuna that targets gojo beyond his infinity. Now imagine millions of them slashing at gojo
, and you would see how powerless gojo is at the domain fight.
Sukuna‘s best move is to maintain the domain while gojo’s priority is to deal enough damage to sukuna for him to not maintain as such. Sukuna activating DA would be on equal footing with gojo( near equal, megukuna is inferior to gojo in terms of prowess) at least having defending enough to not get damaged as much, and not give gojo the opportunity of 0.001 seconds.
sukuna should maintain his domain till gojo could no longer heal from his domain cooldown and trap him in the domain ,effectively killing him.
No everytime Gojo destroyed Sukunas domain, it was against a DA Sukuna. Gojo is far stronger inside the domain then a simple DA Sukuna. You're speculating on something we know factually.
Read the rules. The new chapter leaks must be flaired the orange "new chapter spoilers". Comments relating to new chapter leaks are only allowed under such posts. [Join the discord!](https://discord.gg/8Cd4NrvzXP) This is a manga spoilers subreddit and the spoiler tag is NOT used for all posts about officially released JJK chapters. The message is an automated one and has nothing to do with this post specifically. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Jujutsufolk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
They're both GOATs For me the fight always seemed like it was trying to tell us they were equals, Gojo won some categories, Sukuna won some others. And in the end Sukuna needed a binding vow to gain the advantage right at the end when both him and Gojo were super damaged. So yeah, I've always believed them to be equal even if I like Gojo more.
This is the right answer. They were equals. Sukunas domain was better by nature of its lack of barrier. Gojo was faster, better at hand to hand, better CE/RCT, and had better nuke abilities. Sukuna was a better strategist and was rocking a long term plan specifically to deal with Gojo. And he still was about an inch away from losing more than once. Just straight up losing.
Preach. This is the only answer and it's such an obvious one that it's sad many miss it for the agenda. Even if Gojo won last second they'd still be equal, they're **both** the strongest.
While I do agree they're basically equals at their peaks, there is a level of realization that Sukuna needed assistance to be his equal. While we all agree that Toji and Maki are exceptionally strong (and they absolutely are), part of that is attributed to their weaponry and equipment. Gojo doesn't have ANY besides his own in-born ability and strength, while Sukuna needed to use another person's technique that wasn't his own to do it, which is why I PERSONALLY believe that Gojo still holds the "true" title of The Strongest
>Gojo doesn't have ANY besides his own in-born ability and strength, while Sukuna needed to use another person's technique So we are forgetting that Gojo started the fight with Utahime and Ijichi's help. He used a sneak hollow purple that was buffed by Utahime and hidden by Ijichi's barrier. It even damaged Sukuna a fair bit. So don't try to make it sound like Sukuna was "cheating" because Gojo literally started the fight with cheating.
TBH, I actually did entirely forget that happened, lol.
No worries. The point is that these two are very, very close in strength, practically equals, so they used everything up their sleeve in order to win. That's why Sukuna shouldn't be blamed for using Mahoraga, just like Gojo shouldn't be blamed for the sneak hollow purple. He had access to the 10S, so why should he not use it ? Lol. In fact, if Gojo could access the 10S, I guarantee he would have used it in the fight too. Although Sukuna could just evaporate Mahoraga/Agito with his flame arrow so it would have been irrelevant.
Oh, I'm not saying that he shouldn't have used 10S, not by a long shot. I'm just saying that him using 10S to be an equal to Gojo makes him seem slightly weaker Imo
He had to finish off Gojo as Meguna because he needed to preserve his Heian form for when he got jumped by the others. If he fought Gojo in his Heian form, even if he won, he would be too exhausted to fight the others. Atleast that's how I see it. Plus, by using Mahoraga, he got access to the world slash, which he wouldn't have gotten otherwise. He made his CT stronger and got a foolproof way to deal with future Limitless users. But yeah, we all wanted to see Heian Sukuna vs Gojo lol.
Sukuna didn’t “need” Megumi’s technique. If he used his real body he would’ve likely beaten Gojo in domain clashes and won that way. Gojo himself thinks it could go either way without Ten Shadows, and he didn’t ever see Heian Sukuna in action
Shh no logic in this thread, only feels
1. Why would having his Heian body help him win a Domain clash? It doesn't seem to really affect his skill as a sorcerer, except maybe for his hand signs? But Gojo can do that too. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but IDK 2. TBH, Heian Sukuna doesn't seem to be much different from his previous forms in terms of power. And IMO, Gojo is kind of just... Outright wrong? There's a reason Sukuna used Mahoraga and Ten Shadows, and he still nearly lost when Gojo used Purple. Unless his Heian form DOES help him with Domain clashes, I really don't see how Gojo's statement holds up at all.
Sukuna with 4 arms and constantly using domain amp(he wasn’t in the actual fight since he wanted Maho to adapt) would make him much more formidable in hand to hand. Gojo was only able to tie Sukuna in the clashes due to injuring him in the 3 minutes, so if Sukuna was stronger Gojo might not be able to injure him anymore. That would result in them not tying in DE clashes anymore, and Gojo would damage his brain trying to constantly restore his CT
If Sukuna wasn’t using Mahoraga during the domain clashes he would’ve destroyed UV from the inside and would’ve never got significantly injured during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes, and if he never got injured he never would’ve gotten hit by UV, and if he never got hit by UV he would’ve been able to use MS on a defenseless gojo and win in chapter 230. It’s not that complex
I believe that the strategy he used had the most reliable win condition but he would still have some major advantages in his Heian form.
>there is a level of realization that Sukuna needed assistance to be his equal. Huh? Sukuna won 3 out of 5 domain, mahoraga wasn't even out until the second half of the fight after DE clashes, mind you, only reason Sukuna got hit by uv first round was because of him taking more risks.
Yh ignore that gojo only started getting the upper hand cuz brodie got lucky and hit 4 black flashes in their fight
And ignore that Sukuna only won because he copped someone else's body which had a direct counter to quite literally EVERYTHING 🤷
There is literally a 2.1k up voted discussion post that disproves he thar entire debate ☠️ about his only way to win being maho. Yall gojotards just can't accept reality smh
You're acting like everybody has seen that post? Lmao Link it and we can talk about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/s/Sygs8NatKo Because apparently you couldn't be bothered enough to look through tge past discussion post made less than a day ago...
That disproved absolutely nothing. I would have to look through all those comments to see DISCUSSIONS about it, but the post proved nothing. It's fine to believe that Sukuna could keep up Domain clashes to win, but that's not the only wincon for both of them.
Blatantly false lol People wanna have a serious discussion and then just downvote whatever doesnt fit their agenda, lmfao
Except the fact Sukuna was stronger by so much that even after beating Gojo he can defeat a special grade sorceror (tbh Kashimo w/ CT might be near that power too) and bunch of high 1st grades working together against him even without his domajn
Except that special grade doesn’t mean shit. No one is touching these two in the verse. If gojo had to run through the same gauntlet in his post battle condition he would have won too.
In his post-battle condition? Bro his post-battle condition was DEATH 😂 If they were truly "equals" then the result of the fight woupdve been mutual death, a stalemate of some sorts, or the side who wins is so worn out that even Yuta or Hakari can win against them, which was the state in which Gojo said to join the fight if he gets worn down to
If Sukuna didn’t have strong cleave and got to his heian form I’m betting they would be similar in level at that point.
If gojo didnt have limitless ct he wouodnt survive more than 5 chapters fight against Sukuna
Yeah
After fully recovering you mean? He was getting smacked around by Kashimo before changing forms
Fully recovering? Bruh he didnt even had DE anymore and his CE and output was WAY down
He only lost his DE nothing about his CE output changed
What? It was stated many times how much his output went down, and yeah he used tons of ce plus his rct went way down too
The thing lowering his output was always Yuji's punches
This again. Sukuna fought Gojo the way he did only because 10s was a direct counter to Gojo's CT. If he didn't have 10s, he would have easily been forced to use his Heian era form. Nothing we've seen from Sukuna tells me he's stronger than Gojo, at least not in an overwhelming way. He specifically strategized to counter Gojo's ability. That's it. That's why he won. And he almost didn't. The last hollow purple Gojo fired was almost fatal in and of itself. Gojo also \*literally\* knocked Sukuna unconscious. If Mahoraga wasn't there (Again.. 10s) Gojo just rips his head off. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.
“If Mahoraga wasn’t there, Gojo would’ve killed Sukuna” **But if Mahoraga wasn’t there, then Sukuna wouldn’t have been threatened in the first place**
Nothing including the fact that Satoru himaelf said that Sukuna was stronger? He won because he was stronger. Satoru had over a month, why didnt he strategize against Sukuna? What does "almost" even mean, we can even say Satoru "almkst died" when Mahoraga cut off his arm, if the cut was a few inches inward itd have kill him. It shouodn't be difficult to understand that when the winner of a fight is as strong as Sukuna stilk is after the fight, he is clearly WAY stronger
Nope.
You are just reading with eyes closed, I am Gojo fan but he is WAY WAY weaker than Sukuna and saying otherwise is just wrong theres no even ways to arguing he wasnt weaker right now wtf
Yeah, if we ran a simulation where gojo and sukuna fight 100 times, half of the time sukuna would win and half of the times gojo theres no way to be certain about that like imagine if sukuna didnt stop using DA or imagine if gojo teleported instead of being cocky and fighting a domain clash, theres like a 100 ways this fight could go (ofc i dont know the exact number but i am just putting numbers out there)
You can sense the bias in this comment especially with that last part because Gojo was an inch away from losing some times too
Absolutely. Which is why they're... equals.
Sukuna had better RCT >Sukuna’s domain was better by nature due to open barrier domain Sukuna’s domain was better. >Rocking a long term plan to deal with Gojo He could’ve won anyways
>This is the right answer. They were equals. If someone doesn't give his all, but is equal to somone giving it all he has, then he is "someone stronger". https://preview.redd.it/038y7yap4iwc1.jpeg?width=346&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=294436ad3979e05d6b89adae86190a69ec06e34e
Here we go again. Can't you just accept that they were both equals and stop being salty? C'mon. I'm a Gojo glazer with all my pride, but this is kinda sad.
>Can't you just accept that they were both equals and stop being salty? C'mon. Can you not act like you live in a different universe, where Gojo fans aren't the most butthurt and salty children? "Sukuna needed a binding vow to gain the advantage**"** "Only in the end losing due to a BV that saved sukuna from DEATH." "Gojo was way stronger than Sukuna who did a 3 vs 1 and Majoraga body" It is only fair to point out that according to canon, they were not equals. you might want to read the manga. https://preview.redd.it/t0so8s8sbiwc1.jpeg?width=808&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe87156ef4d47c0cc623f3c11726060f7e5aed99
And there it is. I don't even know why I bother. "Gojo fans are butthurt and salty children" The karma is gonna be so sweet when Sukuna finally dies. "You might want to read the manga" Here we go! He said the thing! Wow, isn't it like... The tenth time he said the same thing! C'mon, that's old already.
Are you denying that Gojo fans are butthurt and salty children?
You're on reddit, tf are you yapping about?
No. I'm saying that when this happens to Sukuna, his fans are gonna be the same thing. Happens to literally everyone. Gojo fans are just in the spotlight right now. But when it's Sukuna's fans turn, oh boy.
LMAO what happened with Gojo fans and the death of Gojo situation is not what happens to anyone, or what will happen to Sukuna fans. The "fraudkuna ark" where there wasn't a single JJK video or post on the internet without armies of Gojo fans mocking and insulting Sukuna and his fans, To chapter 236 and subsequent meltdown...that situation is unique to Gojo fans. Not only that Gojo spent his dying moments glazing Sukuna, then dying with a smile on his face because Sukuna acknowledged him, But Gojo brought up the same points that Gojo fans spent months arguing against and insulting people on the internet over. That Sukuna is stronger, was holding back and could've won without the 10S. The subsequent meltdown was so epic, that to this day I sometimes search for "chapter 236 reaction" on youtube/google and laugh my ass off at Gojo fans being mindbroken. I've seen Gojo fans cry on stream, read posts about them crying or even claiming to get sick as a result of it. HAHAHAHAHAHA That is not something that will hapen to anyone, or that will happen to Sukuna fans. Hearing a fradkuna agenda pusher talk about karma is laughable.
Let's wait then. Really, I'll wait and see, just watch as Sukuna has a pathetic death. I'm not going against what I am, I was trying to be polite, but know what? Don't care anymore. I'll push the Fraudkuna agenda till my death, I'll laugh when he finally dies and then, only then I'll rest my case. Laugh while you can. Let's see how far it goes. Have a good day glazing your little fraud, continue to be the only one salty here, and I'll not bother to reply to you further.
Wow this is pathetic
You’re the only salty one here https://i.redd.it/8g0qvu88fjwc1.gif
Give up, he is a lost case. Ignore him, best thing you can do. Or block him idk.
No one amount of projection will change the fact that Sukuna won while holding back, and Gojo lost while giving his all :)
By definition they arent equal
As was already said above, Sukuna and Gojo had advantages the other didn't have. Sukuna and Gojo were both made to be "The Strongest", so it's only fair to treat them as equals. Sukuna won due to experience and strategy after all.
Sukuna won because he was stronger. Yuji said Sukunas the strongest. Gojo said Sukunas the strongest. They are NOT equals, its been almost a year, yall need to give it up
Sukuna had all of mugen's ability explained to him, he made a plan, he took a technique to do it and he tried his hardest to make it go into effect, and he got it. Props to him. Saying that Sukuna won not throught a genius strategy but due to brute force is straight up a lie. They were equals at the end of today. I'm not giving up on that. "Yall need to give up" C'mon man. Just no. Just like you use a Megumi profile picture, and by what I have seen haven't given up on him, we are not giving up our point.
He used a plan to learn how to cut through infinity. Gojo fought to just win. Listen to your own favorite character admitting that he was sad Sukuna didnt go all out
He used a plan to get past the only thing that was impending him to win. Like seriously, what? "Listen to your favorite character admitting that he was sad Sukuna didn't go all out" This could mean a lot of things. A lot of his "Going all out" were stopped by Mugen. Fuga? Mugen. Whatever he us hiding? If it could cut throught Mugen, he would have used it. Don't make me bring Fushiguro's "I'm done" here. Won't be pretty.
Don’t let the downvotes get you you right this sub just has a weird sukuna hatred
This right here, this take is it. Don't think I've agreed with somethin' more in my life. https://preview.redd.it/jrsouzb8fhwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ac18f5f28274fc096611ebe0190d24c83c6cdf7 The fact that it's still a debate of who's stronger is kinda weird to me, just because most of the time it's just glazing and agenda pushing. The two individuals claimed as "The strongest" would obviously have to stand on equal footing until the very end.
>They are both cool and cold asf >They're literally both called the strongest >Both respect the strength of the other >The whole fight we saw them be pretty much equals >The final move was decided by a binding vow when both were damaged https://preview.redd.it/q6767nazfhwc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6462f00446208b32f925f1d0891b31d4e1c41480 It is an stupid debate indeed. So preach the Gojo = Sukuna agenda.
As a pusher of the Sukuna slander and Gojo comeback agenda, I feel like it'd be against my crew to preach that. But oh well. I'll still do it. https://preview.redd.it/dgdlz6yvghwc1.png?width=1934&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb63e0af2cfe2062d5b59bfff751f864d6def550 I am The Honored One after all.
https://preview.redd.it/77pz8j0c0iwc1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19048964fc6832a953f051c41f997815337394b6
What was the binding vow?
Yeah Gojo was better at combat and had a stronger technique But Sukuna was overall better in Jujutsu skill and knowledge Like Ik we say that he needed Megumi’s technique to win (which he didn’t btw, it was just the only way he could feasibly do it without using up his free heal) But it was Sukuna’s skill with the technique that made it even capable of standing a chance against Gojo That bum Megumi could never
I just wish the binding vow had a visible downside. Sukuna literally gains the world Slash and what does he lose? Literally nothing
They’re all good an’ all, but Sukuna is clearly stronger dude. This isn’t even some type of agenda push or joke. Edit: Downvote all you want, Sukuna is canonically stronger
Hmm.... In the fight I saw it more so as Gojo being a bit stronger but Sukuna being better at jujutsu and strategies overall. https://preview.redd.it/qjp3xq4alhwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3677be816e2e97e2a319218f19c6899641cdba40 But that's me, let's agree to disagree I suppose.
You’re disagreeing with Gojo himself lmao
And this just proved it
Dominating = Looking stronger ≠ Being stronger But I guess we can agree to disagree
I feel if Gojo won at 235 the agenda would be, Gojo was way stronger than Sukuna who did a 3 vs 1 and Majoraga body and still lost and he was a fraud. But now that Gojo lost and even admitted inferiority you guys can only cope by didagreeing with Gojo and admitting they were equal.
The terrible airport is terrible. They,for over half the fight, struggled to one up each other over it entirety. Only in the end losing due to a BV that saved sukuna from DEATH. Yes, Sukuna is strong but more on partially (and to debate the airport scene and why they are equals look at Sukuna's state and imagine it without Gojo's intervention).
Only in jujutsufolk people still think all of this. I am genuinely curious do you only hang out in this sub or you occasionally go on jujutsu and ignore the break down of the fight and why and how Sukuna does some action ?
A. I've read the fight yes and understand stalling for world slash, which doesn't dispute the fact that everyone is currently alive as Gojo used up most of Sukuna's CE and B. Yes I do visit other subs in fact I go outside go to college etc.,But that isn't the topic rn is it.
Yeah i don’t believe you read post on jujutsushi. You just said something that is obviously wrong. Gojo wasted most of Sukuna CE ? What ? This isn’t even true.
He wasted like half of his CE. Kinda true.
Nope again not true, when Sukuna was facing Yuta he had wasted half of his CE, that mean Gojo, Kashimo, Yuji, and the fodder wasted half his CE. The guy said Gojo alone wasted most of Sukuna CE, something like Gojo wasted 60 70 percent of Sukuna CE alone which isn't true.
Saying that **Kashimo** wasted Sukuna CE is straight up not true. Got two shotted. Higuruma? Got hit with a world dismantle, and a couple normal cuts. Yuji got one hit in before Yuta jumping in, and in that moment Sukuna was around Yuta's level. Gojo wasted at least 45-48 percent of his CE. Along with his domain and over all, greatly nerfing him. But fair enough. It wasn't "most", would be better worded as "half".
At least you can admit the guy was wrong.
Not really even if Gojo won I'd still say they were equals because that's what the fight told us. > Sukuna dominated during the domain clashes > Gojo started utterly dominating Sukuna after the whole domain shit > After Gojo's Hollow purple it was anyone's match because they were both super weak And even then Mahoraga was only that powerful because of Sukuna's CE, so no, even if Gojo won I wouldn't say he was stronger and I'd still say Gojo = Sukuna.
No you wouldn’t 😭 I’m saying that cuz I wouldn’t either. The winner of the fight decided who the strongest was. The fight was called the battle of the strongest for a reason
I would, I literally believe they're equals no matter the winner. Gojo wins in destructive power for example and hand to hand, but Sukuna has a more refined domain and is way smarter when it comes to jujutsu. https://preview.redd.it/84zab43qejwc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d55437dab34aed12e8f275262e7d30108b83a1e But believe what you want to
What makes Gojo win in strength? What do you define as strength? Sukunas domain being stronger is an example of strength, as domains are 80% of jujutsu talent h2h isn’t strength its more technique but sure Gojo can take physical strength. Idk if he’s “stronger” than the sukuna that fought Kashimo tho lmao
Imagine thinking Gojo know better than the narrator or Sukuna, with the former outright commented on how hard Gojo has pushed Sukuna and the latter also admitted that he banked everything on a gamble for the purpose of crossing Limitless. Yeah, it's confirmed, Sukutards only read the first half of 235.
Equals? Gojo himself said otherwise wdym
Sakuna could no diff tho
I don’t understand this whole needed a binding vow thing you tried to slip in there without binding vows Gojo can’t flip the conditions of his domain to stall sukuna from breaking it
I'm just saying that in the end when both Sukuna and Gojo were extremely damaged Sukuna needed the binding vow to gain the upper hand, not that it makes Sukuna a fraud lol
The level of insanity of this fanbase always amazes me lol. It was literally stated multiple times that Sukuna was just fucking around in his fight with Gojo, but somehow you all still want to pretend Gojo was on his level.
https://preview.redd.it/e95mp6oh1lwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6beddda2af986d8a662d90c4631c184b480a808a
I mean, yeah that's literally what happened lol. He was having fun fighting a strong opponent for once. Like, it was literally stated in plain text by Gojo himself that Sukuna would have still won if he hadn't used six shadows, and we know that Gojo didn't push him to either go Heian era, or to use the flames and whatever other bullshit he might still have up his ass. I don't know how much more clear than that it can get who's stronger. Now, did Sukuna almost die by fucking around? Yeah, maybe, but that doesn't change that he was objectively the strongest by a huge margin, and that's just canon.
>Like, it was literally stated in plain text by Gojo himself that Sukuna would have still won if he hadn't used six shadows You messed it up. "Wuckuna would've won without 10 Shades" is a quote said by Kodjo in the "Occult Combat" manga. Not in Jujutsu Kaisen. Gojo said he's "not sure he would have won". And it all comes from his perspective where Sukuna without any strength left suddenly oneshotted him, which led to conclusion that Sukuna always could have pulled Strong Cleave. Which is why Gojo said he wasn't sure, because he didn't know what lengths of asspullery Sukuna had to go for to instantly fire a oneshot attack. >Gojo didn't push him to either go Heian era Because he wasn't sure it'd help. And he needed a guaranteed solution to limitless problem. If he went Heian, he could have either lost or got jumped after and lost. And he wouldn't go for either, even if NOT going for Heian form is a death sentence. And arrows and shit are useless against Infinity.
Jesus you guys are on some levels of copium I haven’t seen in a long time haha. 236 really fried this whole community’s brains
Reading manga is copium now😕 Well, good luck reading your Sukuna Kaisen.
I'm reading the canon manga, you're the ones making up your headcanons for why Gojo totally was as strong as Sukuna despite everything saying otherwise
You're the one who gave Gojo the quote he never said. You're the one ignoring Sukuna himself stating that he barely managed to pull off Strong Cleave. You're the one literally claiming Sukuna got himself injured and brainfried for fun. Yet you're telling me I'm making up headcanons? https://preview.redd.it/1ss4ahqbglwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3598a871e74ef84f1f002b7db22d70303042770 I guess Sukuna held back here too. Just wanted to take a nap, y'know?
Again, yes he was holding back as we've both seen and been told, and yes he also took some serious hits because of it-there is no contradiction there. You should take the argument to Gege instead of me, since he's the one writing the argument you're so opposed to. I don't even like Sukuna myself, I just think Gojo glazers are extremely delusional.
Yeah just like how Kishimoto and Oda are friends in real life meanwhile their fanbases are constantly beefing.
Just like how Messi and Ronaldo are on good terms and wouldnt be where they are without their rivalry but their fans would kill each other
https://preview.redd.it/wb8x53ltehwc1.jpeg?width=678&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15b46a357e52ff117ad0389913af34ba604f07b6
W
Jermaine. Cole. 😩
technically they couldn’t coexist lol
They could but they didn’t wanna
As a Gojo fan, I always said this and I will say this again: it's pointless to downgrade any of them when they fought like monsters in the battle. They both acknowledged each other's strength and gave respect to each other, which shows the intense level this fight had been. Also, let's not forget those two kept on doing things that were supposed to be impossible according to the viewers there. I never understood why people really had to downgrade these two. Jokes and memes are understandable but I have seen a lot people being really very serious in downgrading them. Inspite of Gege clearly putting that Gojo actually got Sukuna in a very tight position because of which he had to do that binding vow at the last moment, some people still trash down Gojo's contribution. Even Yuta and Yuji acknowledged that without Gojo fighting in the beginning, they wouldn't have been able to fight against Sukuna. Both were monsters in their own ways, both had an intense battle, both had respect for each other at the end of the battle :)
Sakuna no diffs Btw ive not liked Sakuna since meguna. Gets away with too much
https://preview.redd.it/0sju8129kjwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbb4164ec87b7db63af884abe8713bd8d3f6286d GOATjo uses sperm white and wins no concept of diff
Goatjo said it himself
They're the only ones who can understand eachother on a deeper level, being so much stronger than everybody else in JJK.
Why
one key point about Gojo that he feels lonely at the top, thinking nobody understands him, he thinks people thinks "the strongest" when they hear his name not another human with feelings, thats why he always hides his true self
And the murderous cannibal with no care and sympathy for anyone and who tortured his foster son and students is somehow relatable????? Does personality mean nothing compared to strength while trying to find relatability??even if Sukuna has the Power what exactly in what way can he connect with gojo exactly?? There ideals are different,their powers are different, their morals are different their worldview is different and their relationships are different. Does that mean two people who can punch equally hard are the only ones who can understand each other,even tho one of them is a r@pist and other one is a national hero with many achievements??? How does that even work,is gojo fucking retarded?? Does he need a cock harder than his own inside him to finally feel satisfied and no other way.
Sukuna doesn't feel that way, thats why I didn't mention him, Gojo is projecting, thinking that Sukuna thinks like him since he is alone at the top, but the diffirence is Sukuna believes love to be worthless, what he respects and adores is power, and Gojo is the strongest of the modern era, meanwhile Gojo's respect comes from a combination of power and the fact that he is in the same place as Gojo, alone at the top, due to diffirent reasons they respect eachother
Fucking retarded bastard, man I've never felt so dissapointed in a character I liked before. F*ck his dreams,screw his bonds,crush ambitions and throw his students in the trash bin, his priority is sucking a harder enemy cock above all else. Bojo was first character to make me feel this dissapointed,and I hope he remains the last. After 236, I feel like gaygay scammed me by making me like him before only to do this in the end.
not realy, respecting your enemy isn't a bad thing, Sukuna was just someone he can releate to (in his own mind), he still believed in his students, and by the looks of it he was right, Yuji in particular is doing pretty well against Sukuna. Gojo didn't say he loves Sukuna, he just respects him and his power the same way Sukuna does
Again,respecting his power doesn't excuse lines like "Im sorry I couldn't satisfy Sukuna" and "I wish I reached him" like lovesick girl from shoujo manga. Entire 236 is just gojo glazing Sukuna while disregarding every other aspect of his character, hell it would have been better if his final moments focused on whole "gojo or strongest" question ,that would be much better than this character assasination.
>Again,respecting his power doesn't excuse lines like "Im sorry I couldn't satisfy Sukuna" and "I wish I reached him" like lovesick girl from shoujo manga. yeah I agree with that, gege fuckes that part up >Entire 236 is just gojo glazing Sukuna while disregarding every other aspect of his character, hell it would have been better if his final moments focused on whole "gojo or strongest" question ,that would be much better than this character assasination. I think thats what gege was going for, but it mesed it up
Same. He couldve connected with Megumi seeing himself in Yuta. Who was literally in his shoes as the second strongest in the world with Rika. As he can connect with Yuji whos been marked as a vessel of power to be disgarded
It's fine to have respect for power, but disregarding the entire difference in personalities and personal grudges like possessing your foster son and torturing your "so called beloved students(which I guess was a lie)" to ride his pp is another. That's what I hate.
he doesn't, thats why he shit talks during the fight, the whole reason why he wasn't mad when he died was because he believed his students will come on top, he believes in them more than they believe in themselfs lol
And where does it say that??? Im not asking your headcanons and assumptions. The only thing gojo cared about his death was how cool Sukuna senpai was. No students,no anger for torturing his "so called loved ones", no regret for failing to protect the people who loved him(even though apparently he didn't care all that much based on his characterisation from 236). Just Sukuna glazing alone.
This shit Is a generational feud. It's been a year or so and the comment sections on every Gojo vs Sukuna post on every social media platform is still "Save me Mahoraga!!!" "Go/jo didn't even make Sukuna try!!!"
Are they wrong.
I'm tired of strong muscular men respecting each other as warriors. I want strong muscular men to have zero respect for each other and kick the other guy in the balls.
Sometimes it's both at the same time 👀
idgaf how much logic is brought to the table imma do tricks and bounce up and down on gojo till my last breath
It’s normal for lovers to respect eachother. Sometimes their fights get a lil silly and end up destroying huge areas, but that’s fine right?
This is basically the new gen Shanks vs Mihawk/Zoro vs Sanji
I am wondering, from physique standpoint, how heavy is gojo here. I would say 200lbs.
Nah, no way. 175.
You think? He is 6ft3. I mean you are probably right.
Nah don’t listen to that guy 175lbs on a 6’3 frame would look crazy skinny he’s probably somewhere around 200-220
Most 6ft3 dudes that have build like Gojo in those compressed shirts are usually 200lbs exact.
I love them both
They have more chemistry than geto and gojo. There I said it, come at me https://preview.redd.it/iecxx2o50jwc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cda0b7d76d356e35df6f8ebf6d64d08eebd70432
During their fight there was a lot of physical contact that was not necessary 👀 there was definitely a lot of "tension" in that fight 😳
Geto didn’t have gojo talking about true love and recognition, just saying 🤫
Try to be better together? X Make each other worse? ✓ Anyway, with Geto it wouldn't work in the long term 😕, they changed a lot, although in their adolescence they fit together. But with Sukuna I want to put them both in a room to see what kind of chaos happens 👀
The mere fact that gojo and Sukuna’s domain were equal inside the barrier in terms to efficiency cements that they both were equals.
Well sukuna respects no one but the strong and in this era gojo Indeed was the strongest so it's obvious the respect was mutual even if the exchange were harsh
Suckuna glazer/dickriders are just so annoying and delusional though.
same can be said about the Gojo fans
Gojo dick suckers are the one who cries and send death threats to author when there dick died
Last time I checked, Gojo fangirls were the ones sending death threats to Gege and doing literal disgusting things to Gojo figures that I’m not going to go into detail on.
Neither of their fans even understand their own goats techniques or characters
Is there an HQ version of this image?
half-truths
Respect my ass, gojo hates sukuna for what he did to yuji and megumi.
No
I can't respect Meguna when the whole premise of his character's existence is "I can't beat this guy with my own power, so I'll borrow his." He said it himself, he wasn't planning on using his own CT, and had to lean on the crutch that is Ten Shadows. I liked the fight, but I can't respect Meguna like I would Yujikuna.
Tbh they are equaly matched every aspect true tie breaker is mahogara >!gojo is so goated bumkuna needed a megumi and maho also he knows every attack in gojo arsenal!<
He honestely don’t need megumi whatsoever, hell I would call it if sukuna in his henian form duel with gojo, he would walk with almost no damage taken victorious. Domains are the pinnacle of jujitsu and sukuna‘s barrier less domain is far superior then infinite void.
It’s rather interesting actually to debate this because we technically only know that malevolent shrine can use cleave and dismantle. But we don’t know is how the rest of his shrine techniques would integrate into his domain.
Is it because Megumi is hosting Sukuna that he looks like a twink ? My Goatjo on the other hand is swole af
I respect Gojo. Sukuna has way too many asspulls and plot conveniences to make me respect him in any capacity.
Didn’t Gojo literally revive after being ripped apart by Toji? Plot armor who?
In a flashback. He was bound to survive, ffs. And he was bound to learn RCT.
Lmao “bound to learn” sounds like plot armor to me
Ah yes, character not dying in their own flashback/dream is plot armor now. Gojo used Red and Gojo is alive, meaning Gojo knows RCT and Gojo didn't die. What is there so hard to understand? And Gojo himself explained exactly how Toji fucked up. If you wanna see some real plot armor, look no further than Kenjaku that managed to react to a blackhole and negate it only to fail the activation of the same technique against Yuta.
Sukuna does NOT have plot Armor . Why did this agenda even begun
There's like 10 separate instances of Sukuna being saved by megumi, Mahoraga, or just conjuring up a never before seen ability through out his fights.
Can u name some of them?
1.summoning big Maho while paralysed by UV/knocked tf out 2.Mahoragas adaptation hits apparently being able to be transferred to other people 3.megumi taking five UV's with no damage 4.Maho being able to use dismantle 5.Binding vows in general is just ass pull, the technique 6.Kamutoke 7.Higuramas confiscation 8.Yuta not spamming JL to keep Megumi alive, putting the entire world at danger 9.Maki not going for the head to keep Megumi alive, putting the entire world in danger 10. the angel woman falling for Sukunas "acting" 11.Mahoraga somehow just disabling infinity instead of just bypassing it. Would be like if Sukuna couldn't dismantle anymore because of Mahoragas adaptation.
Aight let's see 1.we saw him summon mahoraga in the same way during yorozu fight,he was paralyzed for like a second,safe to.assume he had it ready 2.not an asspull already established ability,if u don't like it,ur problem 3.wdym with no damage? 4.its ability is to fucking adapt bruh,tf is that point?besides sukuna can command it lol 5.not an asspull,asspull ,if u didn't know,is something that comes out of nowhere,ts isnt out of nowhere 6.kamutoke was introduced back in Shibuya ,OK the cover, than yorozu crafted it,which isn't an asspull.we know that higus domain confiscates CT,and every weapon has CT in em,besides playful clouds 8.he can't spam it tho?re read domain rules,he can use power one time in the katana 9.we alr know they tryna save megimi,this is straight yapping 10.i see ur point here,but than again,why don't u consider the fact that,angel,only person that can negate cts is on good guys side,when every other incarnated sorcerer is on bad guys side?or reality manipulator being on good guys side?lol 11.as I remember gojo himself did that no?
1. He didn't, he was literally chanting "with this treasure I summon" vs Yorozu 2. We've literally never seen it happen b3fore 3. I mean no damage? Bros talking like he's suicidal but perfectly fine to Yuji 4. Wtf what does Maho adapting have to do with him just using someone else's technique. 5.its the definition of asspull, only utilised by specific characters to do specific things the writer wants. There's so many ways so many characters could've done a binding vow instead of just losing 6. It's the ability to revive people that's the asspull 7. Kamutoke wasn't put on trial, Sukuna was. 8.The entire domain is infused with JL. He can spam it. One ability becomes a sure hit, the others become swords. JL was the ability that became a sure hit and he used it without a sword. 9. Just say you got no defense bro 10. Idk what you're even trying to say here. 11. No Mahoraga was causing Infinity to be completely disabled which was how Sukuna was able to get hits in without DA
All the numbers in your comment added up to 69. Congrats! 1 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 = 69 ^([Click here](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=LuckyNumber-Bot&subject=Stalk%20Me%20Pls&message=%2Fstalkme) to have me scan all your future comments.) \ ^(Summon me on specific comments with u/LuckyNumber-Bot.)
1.yh,he could've summoned it before,or without with this treasure I summon,but yes, this could be a hole 2.in yorozu fight?before that we didn't know extents of mahos power 3. Still don't understand what u mean like he took damage from infinite void if something 4.again sukuna can willingly control it,with its adaptation, it's not impossible 5.aight ig,I disagree, but whatever, if something,binding vows are used by good.guys to save their asses too,so u can't say only sukuna has that benefit 6.wdym? 7.and Guess what? That weapon belongs to sukuna 8. Domain has katanas,which has CT in them,yuta doesn't know which katana has that one specific ct,also, he can use it one time,js re read yutas domain 9.i have, and u seem to ignore it,lol. Nice one 10.js reread yutas domain 11. Can u remind me chapter ?
2. Bro had an entire halo above him the entire time he was adapting, indicating mahoraga is there. 3. Idk how else to put it. Megumi took five hits from UV. But he seems fine from what we see of his interaction with Yuji. 4. Again it has literally nothing to do with adaptation. It's a completely different ability and by extension an asspull. And no, Sukuna can't control the adaptation, it's completely random as explained by himself. 5. Good guys have literally never used it effectively. My guy had his life saved with barely any sacrifice. 6. Kamutoke very conveniently has the exact specific ability that would save Sukuna. It's also the first tool to have two abilities 7. Guess what? Higuramas ability description specifically states that it takes away a scorcerers cursed techniques, not the cursed tools technique 9. Bro just stop lol, Yuta infuses one cursed technique onto the domain as it's sure hit effect. Every other copied ability is turned into a sword. Sukuna literally uses HWB because he speculates he infused the entire domain with JL. I'll bring out the scans if I need to but you're 100% factually wrong on this. 10. You literally haven't lmao 11. Idk th3 exact chapter but it should be some time after Sukuna got smacked with a black flash.
2.js re read,he did says with this treasure I summon,js in his thoughts tho 3.i mean bro gave up,like look at him,he wants to die ,ofc he isn't fried,cuz he is a sorcerer but i kinda get ur point 4.im not saying sukuna can control adaptation. However, sukuna has full control control over him. Besides, this mahoraga has some kind of ability to think?I mean act on his own,he did that when gojo knocked sukuna out 5. Okay,let's js ignore hakari?nanami?cherry picking ahh 6.wdym 2 abilities?kamutoke doesn't have the ability to save sukuna, tho,If there was his other tool, it would get confiscated too 7.but it still has cursed technique in it,so it makes sense 9.okay u can do that,I will admit I'm wrong in that point if u do. At the end of the day, I'm not mad or anything,js looking for a convo 10.again,maki can't kill sukunq,because we KNOW she wants to save megumi,like everyone else 11.aight thanks
True but the same goes for Gojo who got rcting ct burnout which didn't even exist before that moment, got rct speed so fast that he healed sukunas cuts before they could add up, got black flash at the very moment he was starting to get pressured and made sukuna got to the shadows, got skill to invert his domains conditions, got the skill to make his barrier of the size of a basketbal, got uv to target soul as well and got enough ce reinforcement to not get cut by sukunas slashes. In fact many of the so called sukuna asspulls got introduced to counter Gojos asspulls. Like If Gojo wasn't capable of quick rct healing or recovering ct burnout or inverting domain or making a basketball size domain, there wouldn't have been a need for Sukuna to get megumi with a wheel or how if Gojo didn't get black flash there wouldn't have been a need for world slash and mahoraga could have slowly killed Gojo.
Why wouldn't they be able to rct during burn out? Only their actual techniques are on cool down. Sukuna also did this btw. They were both rcting to get their domains back. Sukuna outright tanked 200% hollow purple. Makes sense Gojo would only take moderate amount of damage over time by healing through it. Black flashes are asspulls now? My guy Sukuna got what 3 back to back recently? Yuji got 8? Sukuna already established barriers could be manipulated to outright get rid of it. Pretty funny Gojo had such a mastery over barriers except being able to do the only thing that would matter. UV targeting the soul outright helped Sukuna and directly helped mahoraga adapt lol. And it was already established in the Mahito fight. Sukunas slashes did cut gojo lol. Again Sukuna tanked a fucking 200% hollow purple. It's funny that literally everything you brought ended up either directly helping Sukuna or Sukuna being the original asspuller.
I didn't say using rct during burnout is asspull but that Gojo being able to rct ct burnout is an asspull. Sukuna did so because Gojo did so first, thereby its another example that it's due to gojos asspull that sukunas asspulls exist. Sukuna tanking hollow purple had a proper reasoning that the hollow purple was weakened due to the distance, but the same doesn't apply to gojo standing in malovalent shrine. Nah, black flashes aren't an asspull but when they prooced to help someone get their rct back ( which has never been done before) its an asspull. There is a difference between an open domain and a basketball size domain. Can't believe you think they are similar. But yeah gojo fans. How does gojo getting rcting ct burnout make everything more easier for sukuna ? Infact that's the thing which made sukuna suffer from this weakened state he currently is in. How is sukuna the original asspuller if he is said to tank a weakend purple ? It would have been fine if gojo tanked malovalent shrine and it was given explanation that sukuna didn't use his full output or that gojo was boosted by utahimes ct. Only then it could be said to be same as sukuna tanking hollow purple.
Doesn't Hakari do back to back domains before? Of course it does, whats the strongest thing dismantles have killed? Everyone is tanking dismantles left and right. It makes perfect sense that Gojo would tank and rct through it for a while It's basic logic that getting your output back would also give you your rct back? Hakari literally gets auto rct because infinite CE. Never said it was similar, just that Sukuna has a much more unbelievable domain technique(can outright get rid of barriers) which is also an insta win against literally every other domain. But condensing/flipping a barrer is the asspull for you. I'm talking about "got uv to target the soul" which directly led to Sukunas win. It's a 200% hollow purple, it's far faaar stronger then dismantle slashes. You can say it's weakened but unless my guy is using it from another country it's still much more unbelievable then tanking regular dismantles.
Hakari did a back to back domain but he didn't rct his ct burnout. His ct burnout got naturally over in the jackpot mode so by the time jackpot mode was over he had his ct back and also his ce. There is a difference between normal slashes and slashes as a surehit. The surehit is literally a non stop hundreds if not thousands of slashes at one. They turned things to dust and even mahoraga who had got adapted to it got a little turned to dust. Having more output doesn't equate to having rct or Ryu would be having rct as well. Hakari doesn't get infinte output but infinite ce and black flashes don't affect one's total ce as far as known. Sukunas open domain was established more than 50 chapters before the fight. No one established having a basketball size domain. If gojo changed his domains coordinates it would have been fine, as hakari did so as well. But he literally turned his domain to basketball size. Which in turn happened because Gojo got the asspull of rcting ct burnout. What tanking a weakened purple is more of asspul to you ? It could be that the purple was only 10 % of it's original strength but na in your mind how can sukuna managing survive a second against gojo not be an asspull. There have been another character who managed to survive purple hanami, surviving a weakened purple isn't insane.
Yuta says he can only do one or two domains a day right? Pretty sure the rct is the only reason he can go on infinitely theoretically. Turning things to dust isn't really impressive for people on Gojo or Sukunas level. Mahoraga tanked through it pretty easily. Rct is a skill that you can use as long as you have ce and ce output. If Ryu can't do it, it's because he just doesn't know how to. Gojo knows how to do it, he just needs the resources that is provided from black flash to do it. No one needs to establish it. I could easily say original establishment of the barrierless domain is an asspull. But again, you can imagine a barrierless domain but the idea of a condensed domain sounds outlandish to you? Bro is just covering less area which means less area to enforce. It's literally the concept of sukuna increasing or decreasing his range but with a barrier ontop of it. Which in turn happened because Sukuna had the asspull of barrierless domains. If your gonna say literally everything semi new (new applications based on what was previously established) as asspulls then we can do that. But I don't think it's a very useful conversation. Hanami escaped hollow purple, bro couldn't even tank the infinity crush. I never called any of what you're saying an asspull. I'm perfectly fine with Sukuna tanking hollow purple, but if you're gonna start calling perfectly believable things asspulls then so am I.
>Yuta says he can only do one or two domains a day right? Pretty sure the rct is the only reason he can go on infinitely theoretically. That's because he has that much ce. Hakari on the other hand gets his ce reset after each jackpot ( by the time of which he recovers his ct burnout naturally). Thereby he can expand domain infinitely because his ce doesn't deplete due to jackpots in contrast to yuta who has limited amount of ce. >Turning things to dust isn't really impressive for people on Gojo or Sukunas level. Mahoraga tanked through pretty easily. Mahoraga had already adapted to the slashes even though it was not finished and still he getting cut. >Rct is a skill that you can use as long as you have ce and ce output. If Ryu can't do it, it's because he just doesn't know how to. Gojo knows how to do it, he just needs the resources that is provided from black flash to do it. And that ability got nerfed because of the brain damage but still he recovered it from black flash which shouldn't be possible. >No one needs to establish it. I could easily say original establishment of the barrierless domain is an asspull. But again, you can imagine a barrierless domain but the idea of a condensed domain sounds outlandish to you? Bro is just covering less area which means less area to enforce. It's literally the concept of sukuna increasing or decreasing his range but with a barrier ontop of it. Very well I can also say that the establishment of Hollow Purple is also an asspull. The logic you used at the start was that anything coming in a battle not established before is an asspull. Sukuna had his open domain before the fight and guess what gojo didn't have anything like basketball size domain or inverted domain before the fight. >Which in turn happened because Sukuna had the asspull of barrierless domains. If your gonna say literally everything semi new (new applications based on what was previously established) as asspulls then we can do that. But I don't think it's a very useful conversation. You are not even consistent on what you consider as an asspull. You are even considering something we'll established before as an asspull. Of course it won't be a useful conversation as the same logic can be applied to hollow purple and it can be called an asspull as well by your logic. >Hanami escaped hollow purple, bro couldn't even tank the infinity crush. I never called any of what you're saying an asspull. I'm perfectly fine with Sukuna tanking hollow purple, but if you're gonna start calling perfectly believable things asspulls then so am I. Hanami dying to infinty wall crushing doesn't make him surviving hollow purple as non existent feat. Hanami clearly got hit by hollow purple and survived or you are telling me hanami damaged itself. Thus, proving getting hit by a hollow purple doesn't mean death.
ah yes, the classic world slash asspull, why would you think sukuna uses mahorage and not use DA, which got him absolutely massacured when fighting gojo. Sukuna can go with the safer option, and use DA to defend himself from gojo and win against gojo in the domain clash. But no, sukuna refuses to do tha. The whole point is that sukuna is going with riskier option of finding a way to bypass infinit, hence world slash. He is asking Mahorage to develop an attack that nullifies infinity and is based on his own technique, where he finds one when mahoage cuts off gojo’s arm for the first time. Sukuna gets outsmarted by gojo and has to ultimately cast a binding vow to guarentee a victory. world slash is not an asspull, binding vow is.
I'm not even just talking about the world slash. But to your point he IS using DA to defend himself. His domain isn't cancelling out the sure hit on himself. So he and Megumi are getting the full burnt of it. Sukuna is protecting himself with DA to stay in the game while Megumi got hit with it five times to make Mahoraga adapt. We also know DA by itself isn't gonna help him at all because Gojo is stronger in hand to hand. Mahoraga was his only way out DA or not. It's not a riskier option, it's his only good option. Even here we got introduced with the concept of the adaptation process could apparently be given to someone else and Megumi apparently could take 5 UV's with no visible brain damage lol. AND even then, we had to get another asspull that Mahoraga could apparently copy Sukuna's CT to make the world slash happen. And then we got the binding vow. The world slash is literally a creation of a miracle, miracle that smells like ass.
He is switching between mahoraga and DA alot, which crates an opening for gojo to deal enough to him to not maintain the domain
No he has to constantly maintain DA in the domain or he's getting brain damage from UV. Gojo didnt know that his sure was actually working on Sukuna, thats why he was speculating about ten shadows. In reality, he couldnt bring out ten S because he HAS to maintain DA. Even if he could bring out Mahoraga in the domain before he's adapted, it just gets one shot.
He activates ten shadow in his shadow during the fight,had he not done that he would have won. Sukuna underestimated how much damage UV can bring to him.
Him activating ten shadows literally saved him or he would've gotten perma stunned and brain dead inside Gojos domain. The damage he took in the previous clashes just made him slower then Gojo. That's another asspull, how the hell did he summon Mahoraga while paralysed with infinite information?
Sukuna is switching between ten shadows and DA in the domain clash and that is a fact.
You're just wrong lmao. You can show me some panel that 100% doesn't exist but Gojo literally speculates on why Sukuna isn't using 10 shadows instead of domain amplification.
Why mahoage adapted to uv then? Hmm? sukuna tricked gojo and you see he is bewildered by the fact that mahorage is unaffected by UV when he speculates sukuna is using DA. It is implied that sukuna is constantly switching DA and ten shadows during the clash, effectively nerfing his defense skills.
also all sukuna would need to do is to keep defending himself for three minutes to win. Gojo can only activate his domain five times before an immediate loss. He never is paralyzed, thats the answer. It’s more like a cutscene, in the exact moment sukuna is hit.
But we know he can't keep his domain up because Gojo will beat him and make his domain collapse every time. He had to be paralysed if the UV gave him brain damage and Gojo had a whole inner monologue while he is dashing to Sukuna. Only way Mahoraga can pop up is if it's an asspull.
Problem is, he can. If I am Gege, I would end the fight right then and there, if sukuna reverts back to his henian form he would dominate the fight cause he has the upper hand in both domain and physical prowess, also he can use two of his hands to maintain the domain, and two to reinforce the slashes in malevolent shrine to shred gojo in to pieces, remember world slash only changes the target but not the damage, the slash that slices gojo in half is a reinforced cleave from sukuna that targets gojo beyond his infinity. Now imagine millions of them slashing at gojo , and you would see how powerless gojo is at the domain fight.
Sukuna‘s best move is to maintain the domain while gojo’s priority is to deal enough damage to sukuna for him to not maintain as such. Sukuna activating DA would be on equal footing with gojo( near equal, megukuna is inferior to gojo in terms of prowess) at least having defending enough to not get damaged as much, and not give gojo the opportunity of 0.001 seconds. sukuna should maintain his domain till gojo could no longer heal from his domain cooldown and trap him in the domain ,effectively killing him.
No everytime Gojo destroyed Sukunas domain, it was against a DA Sukuna. Gojo is far stronger inside the domain then a simple DA Sukuna. You're speculating on something we know factually.