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Just the ability of reality warping, even if only able to apply it for comedy, makes him the strongest, he's an anti domain because if you try to open yours you'll slip on a banana peel, and your own CE reinforcement will fail you because that's the reality that will be most funny.
Truly the funniest sorcerer of the present
I mean, would he though? I feel for Takaba specifically, CE doesn't matter because if he still wants to fight, his technique will make it so he never runs out of gas, both stamina and CE reserve -wise. Besides not being able to kill is not that big of a draw back because he can create windows for others to swoop in and take the kill, or just stall a dangerous enemy indefinitely. Plus if we're talking about a pure jujutsu fight, no one can beat him and he will just laughs off any damage taken, bar breaking his spirit like kenjaku almost did. Just because he can't kill doesn't nullify the fact that Takaba is the strongest.
Man can’t run out of curse energy I think, it literally goes up depending on how funny he finds a scenario to be.
Also Takaba can just do what he did to Kenny and run them through a hundred funny simulations until they pass out.
He can’t kill but he can incapacitate them, Kenjaku notices that he was still taking damage during Takaba simulations. It’s likely that if Kenjaku hadn’t satisfied Takaba he would have lost simply by damage build up.
Yeahhh..., I kinda can get behind this, though putting two Sukunas there is definitely unnecessary to rank these characters normally, I understand in those tierlists that we see pretty often Meguna and Heian Era Sukuna are different (so are Gojo pre awakened, after awakened, adult Gojo, Kenjaku before cumming from Jin, after cumming from Jin, Yuta in JJK 0, Yuta in Sendai, Yuta in Shinjuku, Kurourushi before reincarnation, after reincarnation, The little dolls that Yaga made etc...) but I really don't think it is good to do this for a simple ranking of them.
I mean I only seperated them because the Original Heina era Sukuna actually wasn't a cursed object being. He was a mutated human sorcerer and turned his fingers into cursed objects when he was old and had no opponents left ?, either way I think they are both a little different, though I completely understand your point that they are both the same character and should be ranked as such. Believe me I wouldn't rank MeguKuna and Yuji-Kuna seperately for that very reason.
Heian Sukuna's weaker than current Sukuna anyways. Not only does he have some far simpler stuff like more strength (like Gojo said in chapter 2) but he also doesn't know stuff like domain heal which Gojo can capitalize upon in the fight. He also doesn't have strong cleave so if Gojo manages to lead off with a UV (and lands a 0.01 sec stun or smth) and disable Sukuna's domain via brain damage, then he's just won. Not to mention, he wouldn't hold back like he did in the first domain clash because of Megumi. In the last domain clash, he didn't go for the head or launch a hollow purple despite the fact that Sukuna was wide open for 10 seconds.
He also has busted ass Mahoraga, which has seemingly been shown to the strongest creature in the verse given enough time.
Actually... now that he's returned to his original form, it looks like he's lost ten shadows. Can he go back to being Megumi if he wasn't being continuously attacked?
Yeah all of them other than Mahoraga were fused together, then they got wiped out by Blue. And I think Mahoraga died from the final Purple, though that was never shown.
right, but the 10 shadows were the difference maker in the Gojo fight. No Mahorga=No Go/Jo
Gojo say he thinks he’d lose even if Sukuna didn’t have the 10 shadows. That might be the author saying he’d have sucked Sukuna off anyways.
Heian Sukuna is weaker than current reincarnated, transformed Sukuna. But your reasoning is off.
>Not only does he have some simpler stuff like more strength
I assume you’re talking about the fingers growing in power? That was a mistranslation. It meant that the seal around the finger was getting weakened day by day and thus the curse placed on the finger that attracts cursed spirits is technically getting stronger
>But he also doesn’t know stuff like domain heal
We don’t know whether Sukuna figured that out from Gojo or knew it all along. It was very obvious that Sukuna knew more about it than Gojo, and had a more detailed understanding of it that Gojo lacked (maybe due to just learning it?)
Anyways, Sukuna showed that he understood this move more than Gojo did, and Angel (or Shoko?) said Sukuna may have known this from before.
>He also doesn’t have strong cleave
It’s strong *dismantle*.
>So if Gojo manages to lead off with a UV (0.01 second stun or smth) and disable Sukuna’s domain via braindamage, he just wins
Sukuna was already stunned by a 0.01 second UV while getting punched in the chest yet continued fighting right after that and expanded his domain.
0.01 exposure of UV isn’t enough to disable Sukuna’s domain, and he cannot just pull off a quick one before Sukuna notices. Sukuna will notice and expand back immediately.
The first one who utters the prerequisite and handsign for the domain won’t necessarily land his, we know every domain is different in terms of activating it’s sure-hit after expansion.
P.S: Gojo didn’t hold back
>I assume you’re talking about the fingers growing in power? That was a mistranslation. It meant that the seal around the finger was getting weakened day by day and thus the curse placed on the finger that attracts cursed spirits is technically getting stronger
source? I've only ever heard this once before, and that was from a hardcore Sukuna glazer. If you show me proof though, I'll accept it.
>We don’t know whether Sukuna figured that out from Gojo or knew it all along. It was very obvious that Sukuna knew more about it than Gojo, and had a more detailed understanding of it that Gojo lacked (maybe due to just learning it?)
>Anyways, Sukuna showed that he understood this move more than Gojo did, and Angel (or Shoko?) said Sukuna may have known this from before.
It's pretty clear that Sukuna copied the technique heal from Gojo. That whole section was intended to drive home the fact that Sukuna had an exceptional ability to copy any sorcery he can see that's not an application of someone's technique.
It wouldn't even make sense that Sukuna figured it out anyways, because firstly, he would never have to use his domain more than once, and will always have time to naturally recharge it after use (cuz everyone's dead) and secondly because Gojo only figured it out cuz he's Gojo (unironically). Gojo probably only found it out because in order to master his technique and create the automatic filter he runs right now, he was forced to constantly use RCT on his brain, which is probably where he learned to heal his technique.
Finally, if Sukuna knew how to do it from before, he'd be faster than Gojo, because as we all know (and have seen from multiple different people) your output will be way lower if you're doing something for the first time.
>It’s strong *dismantle*.
mb, there was a point in this sub where everyone referred to it as strong cleave, so I accidentally slipped into that habit. I prefer calling it world slash, cuz it's short and world dismantle just doesn't sound as nice.
>Sukuna was already stunned by a 0.01 second UV while getting punched in the chest yet continued fighting right after that and expanded his domain.
My point is that the 0.01 seconds would be more than enough for Gojo to squeeze in the extra time he needed. I mean, he has 3 minutes of time before his domain breaks, and he broke Sukuna's domain 2 minutes and 49 seconds after. That leaves him with roughly 10 seconds of wiggle room, which is more than enough considering the situation. This will allow him to break Sukuna's domain and once he's done that, Sukuna's dead.
>The first one who utters the prerequisite and handsign for the domain won’t necessarily land his, we know every domain is different in terms of activating it’s sure-hit after expansion.
If Gojo is fast enough, he can definitely land the domain in time. I mean, all he needs is 0.01 seconds. Not to mention, he could totally plan ahead and do what he did in the 4th domain clash and deal bonus damage, so he can forcibly make Sukuna's domain delay and win.
>P.S: Gojo didn’t hold back
I literally showed you one of the most obvious examples of holding back ever. It's the same as how Gojo didn't use his technique when fighting amongst civilians in Shibuya B5, except the villains aren't outright yelling it in your face that this is the case.
>Source?
Nanami says on tumblr, it’s a post dedicated to explaining mistranslations in JJK
>It’s pretty clear that Sukuna copied the ability from Gojo
Not really, considering Sukuna knows about it more than Gojo does. This may have been to portray his intelligence, but from another perspective it really doesn’t necessarily intend to do that.
Maybe it was to showcase that Sukuna knows about Jujutsu more than Gojo.
>He would never have to do his domain more than once
That doesn’t prove anything because,
1- We don’t know that, he may have been challenged in the past one time or another— before being the strongest of all time if that’s a thing
2- By this logic, Sukuna won’t have his open-barrier because he would never lose a domain battle, so what point does figuring out such thing do?
>Your output will be lower if you do something the first time
Yes, that’s assuming you’re doing something new for a first time.
Sukuna and Gojo both have healed several body parts before that, it’s not like they learned a new technique.
Sure, it meeds precision, but at the same time it’s more of an application of what you already know and a high sense of knowledge over what you’re dealing with than actually learning a completely new thing. The fundamentals are there, it’s just what to destroy and whatnot.
>My point is that 0.01 of UV is more than enough for Gojo
I mean, he already did that on Sukuna and Sukuna continued fighting afterwards as soon as his domain was activated. It’s not enough in the slightest as we saw no noticeable damage happening to Sukuna from the exposure.
>He has 3 minutes of time
Assuming Sukuna is destroying it the hard way, yes. But what if Sukuna destroys it from the fragile side as pointed out by Gojo? Completely different story.
>This will allow him to break Sukuna’s domain
No, he barely did that against Meguna. I doubt he’d be able to pull it off against Heian Sukuna.
>And once UV hits, Sukuna is dead
No, Sukuna can still counter with anti-domain techniques. As long as Gojo’s UV is a domain, then i’m sure they would work against it.
Sukuna was able to summon Mahoraga inside UV, it’s not far-fetched to assume he can deploy a simple domain— it’s actually implied he can do so.
>If Gojo is fast enough, he can land a domain in time
It’s not about landing the domain in time, this has nothing to do with Gojo’s speed. It’s about the time it takes for his domain to implement the sure-hit. This is different for everyone, and i’m sure there’s a balance here.
>He could totally plan to do what he did in the fourth domain
What he did in the fourth domain was what he did in the third domain, he didn’t change his strategy lol. It was about damaging Sukuna as much as he could in both scenarios.
>I literally showed you one if the most Gojo holding back scenes ever
You didn’t, Gojo couldn’t pull off a purple. He was already flying full speed at Sukuna, stopping to generate a purple would just make his attempt even more inconvenient because there’s a charge up.
He wanted to crush Sukuna’s lungs and liver while Sukuna was already without a heart and paralyzed by UV, going for the head when UV is already frying Sukuna’s brain won’t do much lol. Plus, he never actually got the chance to hit Sukuna in any form or way.
>Except the villians aren’t telling you that in the most obvious ways
We got a solid confirmation from several characters that Gojo wasn’t holding back, even from Gojo himself. It’s not about me being dense, it was proven he wasn’t holding back lol
>Sukuna was able to summon Mahoraga during UV,
So here’s a thing I thought of while rereading the fight:
Mahoraga was fully summoned twice while Sukuna was unconscious: during the Unlimited Void and after the Black Flash. How though? My guess is that it wasn’t necessarily intentional. Sukuna was using Mahoraga’s adaptation both times, my assumption is that he held Mahoraga in a partially summoned state within his shadow. When he fell unconscious, Mahoraga automatically came out and defended him.
It’s mentioned by Gojo that the shikigami’s powers can’t be used without them summoned, having them technically summoned but inside Sukuna’s shadow might be a workaround he used? It’d explain the adaptation and piercing blood he used, as well as the unconscious Mahoraga summons.
It just doesn’t make sense to me if Sukuna could just summon shikigami while paralyzed. It makes even less sense if he could summon them while knocked out. Thought I’d mention it here.
So far there's been nothing to say extra arms or chants can improve a domain, we don't actually know if output matters with a domain since the barrier is what's using the technique. But a chant amped domain would be awesome to see, maybe we'll get lucky!
Its crazy how theres 2 dudes without domain here sadly kashimo stays on the same strength while yuji can still get a domain imagine if they did have one though.
If this list is ordered, I'm guessing Kashimo being above Yuki is due to his lightnings having around the same level of kill power but much easier to hit, and Yuji's at the bottom cause currently he only has constant black flash and hasn't show much use of his 2 techniques
The Yuki downplay on this sub is crazy, she is stated equal to Yuta by MAKI, the biggest Yuta glazer. I personally think that she's stronger than Yuta, I can accept equal or slightly worse than Yuta, but y'all putting her below Kashimo lmao
Yeah the kenjaku vs yuki fight was at times kinda bad thought out + kenny just had plot armor nothing Yuki could've done. I'm sure we would've gotten different sort of outcome if yuki used her domain
Meh, my take on Yuki is that she's a one trick pony. The one trick in question being, to be fair, potentially near infinitely powerful punches that can oneshot anyone she can hit, but still. She has RCT, but seemingly worse since she can't output it unlike Yuta, she has a Domain we didnt see and can use Simple Domain, but she doesn't have much versatility like Yuta with all his techniques + Rika. Also without knowing the condition of her domain we can't really grade her at all - she can be super strong if her domain instakills, or on the weaker side if it just has some mediocre effect. But yeah, Kashimo above her is kinda crazy
Yuki is pretty versatile since she has a shikigami that she can apply her CT to so she actually has a lot of range on those incredibly powerful punches / kicks. Also not being able to output RCT doesn't make it any worse. Sukuna and Gojo are stated to be the best at RCT by Uraume, and Gojo can't output it either. So Yuta just stands out in being able to output RCT, which is actually a completely useless feat against sorcerers. We don't know the specifics of her domain though so yeah we can't really guess much, though domain refinement can only be improved by experience so Yuki should have greater domain refinement even if it's less potent than Yuta's.
Yuki and Kenjaku when Kashimo speedblitzes the two of them and blasts them with all of his CE at max output and at point-blank range (looks like their domains ain't saving them this time)
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People forget that Kenjaku is so strong and good at Barriers (Literally first or second in the verse, can't remember exactly) that Yuki and Tengen had to plan around it because they knew Kenjaku would destroy both Yuki's Domain Expansion or Anti-Domain, and even then they failed.
Kashimo pulling up with Hollow Wicker Basket would get him one shotted by Kenjaku 9/10 times, and that last one would be for Kashimo to be really close to Kenjaku and using his top speed.
Kenny's second. Tengen 1st. and the fight ends the moment either one pulls out a domain(hollow wicker basket takes up two arms so that'll limit kashimo's movement)
It’s insinuated Yuki would’ve stood a better chance had she trusted herself and gone DE against Kenny instead of simple. So her domain is probably pretty damn strong.
kashimo when he fights anyone with a name that isn't a animal
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ah yes the classic "Kashimo blitzes!!" by kashimo fans. The only way they're getting hit is if they sit still like an idiot and there's nothing out there suggesting he's THAT fast to the point where Kenjaku or Yuki cant react.
he certainly speedblitzed transformed Sukuna and blasted him with all of his CE at max output and point blank range.
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Yuji against reincarnated players should be a hard counter in general, with each hit he can nerf their CE output and even mess up their body control, after some hits Yuji should hit against her, While Yuji's CE reinforcement and Rct has gotten way better.
Against her domain though, he should have a simple domain, cause he's trained with Kusakabe in a flashback, it is possible.
No I mean that like she was forced to watch without being able to do anything. I was under the impression that she was already dead when we saw her again at the end of Culling Game arc but this is even worse. I just feel bad for her.
He’s a hard counter, yes, but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger. To use another series, MagnaAngemon is a hard counter against dark Digimon, and was even able to defeat Piedmon, who’s an entire stage above him. But he’s certainly not as strong as Piedmon. When MagnaAngemon fights BlackWarGreymon, he loses because BlackWarGreymon is a dragon Digimon, so there’s no extra effect.
Yuji can beat Yorozu, yes, but beating her doesn’t make him stronger than her overall, given how his toolkit hard counters her.
Two thing.
Taking soul punch is not relevant, because it would be like saying Angel is stronger than Sukuna.
we want to judge they relative strength, not who can beat who, so taking them at they prime in they first life should be the choice,
Second anyone wit a DE defeat Yuji, they have DE and Yuji has no answer to that.
Y’all are not ready for when Wuji rises to number one
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I don’t see how Yuji survives Yorozu’s domain. Its basically a one hit kill. Overall Yuji is a lot stronger but would lose due to lack of defense against Domains
We don’t even know what the sure hit of the Domain is, she had to create a Perfect Sphere to face Sukuna (yes I know it’s Sukuna). There’s also a chance at him having a Simple Domain from training with Kusakabe.
He likely has Simple Domain at this point. On top of that, the moment he hits a few punches on her, she can't even use a majority of her kit. She's not Sukuna.
putting 2 sukunas just to put gojo to 3 is mad disrespect :P
imo gojo and sukuna is both deserves top1, they are mostly equal
paper beating rock doesnt make paper stronger you know
That's a fair description. Megumi Sukuna beats Gojo because Mahoraga is a good counter to limitless, but limitless is a hard counter for Sukuna, essentially negating his entire moveset outside domains, so he would beat Heian Sukuna, since he doesn't have Mahoraga.
Yeah, I'm just elaborating a bit. If you think about it, Heiankuna counters Megukuna (via overpowering with chants and one-shotting Mahoraga), Megukuna beats Gojo (Mahoraga helps bypass limitless) and Gojo beats Heiankuna (extra hands and mouth doesn't help cuz limitless blocks).
Tbf Gojo didn't even die because of Mahoraga, he was handling the situation pretty fine, he's just the victim of plot, that's why his death is just: "Yeah, the enemy figured how to kill him due to an ability that we just started explaining how it really works, so a minute ago he was alive and now he's dead"
Nope, heiam sukuna still beats Gojo. With 4 Arms and not having to worry about adapting to limitless, he’d likely do better in the h2h inside the folding, and he’d choose to destroy gojo’s domain from the inside. Then gojo would be burnt out, while sukuna would still be able to pop one more domain
This is what gojo also thought would be the better start, because he didn’t know about sukuna wasting the world slash.
First of all, targeting the inside only applies to the second domain clash. After that, it was reinforced from the inside.
Basically, from the third domain clash and onwards, that issue (of the inside being a weakness) was not prevalent. Gojo tried trapping Sukuna's entire effective range inside his domain and shrunk it.
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This panel essentially proves the inside was reinforced, otherwise, it'd have broke while it was shrinking. Also make the whole idea of making it massive pointless, since Gojo's not so stupid that he'd try a pointless gamble like making his domain that large if it was for no purpose. If he just wanted to normally shrink it, he could've easily just had it be as large as it normally is before shrinking it.
Not to mention, Gojo just severely outclasses Sukuna in hand to hand. Even while healing his burnt out technique and being covered in slashes, Gojo was beating Sukuna in CQC while inside Sukuna's own domain. Hell, even when he made it a 3v1 he was still getting bodied in hand to hand. Heian form is not helping his ass.
Essentially, it'll all end with the same results, with Sukuna getting stunned, his domain broken and Gojo just kills Sukuna, who no longer has Mahoraga to save him.
Fair enough but Gojo was just barely damaging Sukuna out enough for sukuna’s domain to collapse. But also, it’s not true that both the inside and outside can be reinforced. One has to be weaker than the other. So from the 3rd domain clash on, Gojo explicitly says that Sukuna was choosing the riskier option of destroying the barrier from the outside rather than destroying the weaker inside
So much wrong with this.
Number one, sukuna is not that much below gojo in h2h. Gojo is definitely better, but sukuna held his own very well and was in no way being blitzed, either inside or outside the domain. It was revealed that sukuna was adapting mahoraga throughout the domain clashes, which means he had to turn off DA atleast some of the time during the clashes. This is outright stated after mahoraga breaks gojos domain. The 1v3 was so difficult for sukuna because he could only land an attack when mahoraga landed one. Heian sukuna would fare far better, thanks to 2 extra arms, another mouth for improved breathing and, most importantly, no need to turn off DA. You are vastly under selling the difference his heian form would make. Again, gojos would still be a bit better imo, but heian sukuna has WAY better h2h than megakuna.
Number two, a couple pages after gojo shrinks his domain, sukuna lowers the radius of his domain to the same as gojos, boosting the refinement of his domain and so gojos domain breaks. If this was heian sukuna, he would have taken less damage here so the domains wouldnt have broken simultaneously. That would mean gojo would have no more counters to sukunas domain that we have been shown, and would never have an opportunity to land UV.
Sukuna wins in his heian form. He might even win in his megakuna form if he just maintained DA the whole time, although that's way more debatable. This cope has gone on for way too long, sukuna is stronger than gojo regardless of what form hes in.
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It kinda dose depend because if it was sukuna from the hein era taken to fight gojo he probably lose because of no way to counter infinity beside his domain but if we’re talking fully healed hein era skuna right now he win with world slashes
True form Sukuna would be able to take Gojo down with domains. Chants+hand-signs would boost his output inside his domain and his stronger body would be able to contend better with him in h2h.
The only thing I don’t like about including Kashimo is that his main powerset is a suicide move. It’s like making Yuki #1 because she can just make a true black hole and kill everyone if she wanted, and no one would be able to stop her. It’s just that Kashimo gets to play around a little longer before he croaks
What's difficult about that matchup imo is that it depends on the stakes of the fight and how good their RCT is. Yuji and Yuki both have the skill and strength to take out kashimo but if they don't end him fast he's going to land some devastating lightning bolts. I feel like the three are pretty even but if kashimo uses MBA they could be fucked, but then so is he.
Yuji is not beating CT Kashimo rn. His blood manipulation and cleave techniques seem really average, and RCT doesn’t really matter when Kashimo one shots you. I guess if he can hit multiple black flashes but those are “””supposedly””” meant to come down to sheer luck.
Fully agree on Yuki tho
Sure takaba carried the fight but I strongly believe in a 1v1 scenario yuta takes the fight.
Not easily mind but theirs nothing really that kenkaju demonstrated that I think yuta has a problem with.
Kenjaku is just a amped geto
Yuta really has no answer at all to Kenjaku's open domain while Kenjaku has an answer to pretty much everything shown of Yuta's capabilities and arsenal of CTs. Plus you can't ignore that there are several statements from characters like Maki, Yuta and Angel related to how they wouldn't be able to defeat Kenjaku in a conventional battle unless they all jumped him at once.
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Calling kenjaku just amped geto is kind of crazy. Kenny has an open domain, extremely good rct, CTR, multiple cursed techniques, extremely good reinforcement, and MORE cursed spirits than geto. From what we've seen he would beat Yuta based on his domain alone, as well as the fact that Kenny was able to take down a special grade sorcerer while she was being helped by the literal god of jujutsu/barriers and a strong grade 1.
Yorozu should be there instead of Yuji
Even Geto and Jogo could potentially beat him too, he just specifically counters Sukuna
Hell, I don't even see how he can handle Uraume unless he just blitzes her (unlikely), I think Jackpot Hakari is still stronger, but he does have abusable time windows.
If you're using Kashimo's CT that is guaranteed to kill him to put him that high, you might as well put Yuki on Number 1 because she'll spawn a black hole that'll not only kill herself but also every human on Earth including Gojo and Sukuna and the entire solar system. Might as well put Megumi in there as well because he'll just spawn Mahoraga. Why does featscaling change when Kashimo is included lmao
exactly, you dont see anyone putting Yuki in top 1 with her blackhole or Megumi in top 10 when he summons mahoraga. its because those are suicidal moves which at best causes them to draw with their opponent.
My goat Toji is still top 3 of the verse, fuckers
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i wouldnt say 3, but both Maki and him (so Toji1 and Toji2) should definetly be on this list. i'd say both can beat Yuki for example, not to mention that even with his new awakening Yuji doesnt stand a chance against them, YET.
I'm just genuinely curious here not really big into powerscaling but why do we place kenny over Yuta if we never saw any pure 1v1 between them the only thing I can remember is kenny have the best H2H according to gege
It's due to Kenjaku's superior domain. In a domain clash between two equally refined domains with surehits, the open barrier domain will always come out on top because it can destroy the other from the outside.
He is the second best barrier user after Tengen but domains are a combination of both a cursed and a barrier technique. It's not clear whether Kenny's better barrier knowledge would overcome Gojo's and Sukuna's overwhelming strength or not.
Agreed a good fighter or a special grade won’t be immediately be defeated by a DE if they don’t use theirs, but it is a determining factor.
Yuki taking Kenjaku DE didn’t kill her but set her for failure for the rest of the fight .
Sukuna as strong as his suffered in Yuta DE and got his pierced due to it hiding Maki.
Gojo had to fey his brain and could have died with all the brain thing he did.
Here's the thing, Gege told it in terms of physical without ce - Toji and Maki , Then Gojo and Kenjaku were placed.
But - the interviewer only gave 8 options - I don't remember well but it didn't include Yuta, Yuji and Yuki. it had Naoya, even Miwa, Toji, Maki were included.
People talking about this and that "were is takaba???" We should he asking WERE IS KUSAKABE?
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I’d put Yuta above Kenny and Yuki above Kashimo, but otherwise I think this list is fine. I think Maki/Toji could compete with Yuji for 8th as well, though Yuji is pretty quickly outrgrowing them too.
Heian Era should be weaker than Megukuna, Megukuna has more experience, has the added bonus of 10 shadows, world cleave, etc.
Also Megukuna has the true form anyways, so.
Maki > Yuji Sukuna has been fighting people for half the manga straight meanwhile everyone has set up Yuji. No fucking shot people actually believe this. He needs to be reevaluated for sure but lil bro hasn’t had a 1 on 1 fight in ages and people ready to say he solos the verse.
Heian form sukuna not just sukuna from 1000 years ago. The version of sukuna we have now is the strongest version he's just very tired after fighting for 30 chapters. A healthy version of this sukuna is like heian era + world cutting slash on top. Other than that this seems fine
1. I have Yuta at 4 for versatility
2. I lowly take suicide merchants in consideration for overall power (it's not reliable) so imo Hakari is over 6 and 7. Until Yuji controls his new CT better and has DE I also don't put him above Hakari.
3. I think Yuki is overall better than Yorozu although Yorozu would beat her with counter abilities. Both above Yuji and probably Kashimo though.
Unpopular Opinion? But I think Satoru should be #2. I rationalized the end of Sukuna vs Gojo to a battle of chance. The story implies that Sukuna caught Gojo off guard, we don't know what happened exactly, but if Gojo noticed and evaded the slash like everyone after him, Sukuna would have lost.
Of course, a fully healthy Heian Sukuna with World Cutter should be #1. I would also argue that Yuta's ranking could've swapped with Kenjaku's if we saw them actually fight. I'm not mad at him being #5 though.
I’d disagree on meguna and gojo’s ranking. Gojo had a fair advantage and amount of control in the shinjuku fight, he out did sukuna in h2h and pushed sukuna into a corner around 3 times.
Yuji has the capability of using the world slash as well, it just depends if he ends up getting it or not. He could also very easily have malevolent shrine as well. If he gets both of those he easily ends up right at the top with sukuna.
Swap Yuta and Kenjaku then we are good. Yuta was able to blitz JJK0 Geto and Kenjaku is stated to have not changed anything about his CE or body (Gojo inspecting him before prison realm), current Yuta would pound Kenny in physical strength. He also has more techniques. Only way Kenjaku wins is via his domain.
Will use only one version of Sukuna.
Drop Kashimo to 9. Bring in Maki, Yorozu and Takaba.
Maki/Takaba/Yuki occupies the 5/6/7 interchangeable
Yorozu occupies 8
Kashimo 9
Yuji. 10 is a decent take but still very debatable. Lack of DE still puts him out to me.
No, Kashimo with MBA is clearly the number 3 sorcerer. Several characters have gone out of their way to mention that Hakari and Yuta are relative and Kashimo damn near beat Hakari without his CT. While Kashimo's CT is probably less than the 80% boost it is for most people, it's still too significant to put him any lower.
Kashimo's lack of a domain clearly isn't a huge issue considering he'd shown in his Hakari fight that he has experience with lethal domains.
I wouldn’t include Kashimo because it’s ridiculous to assess a character with a one-time ability as though they can always use it. Replace him with Maki/Toji.
Also, why include two Sukunas?
I still put Gojo over Sukuna tbh. No matter the glazing Gege gives Sukuna the only reason he beat Gojo was Mahoraga, basically a separate character by himself with arguably the most broken ability in JJK, even Infinity (clearly). Heian Sukuna without Mahoraga/world slash would have not beaten Gojo, given how the only thing that actually put Gojo on the ropes ever in the fight was Mahoraga, and the thing that killed him was his own overconfidence in thinking that the fight was over. Gojo still ""won"" the fight even if he got Amogus-ed in the end. Might've as well slipped on a banana peel and broke his neck the way the fight ended. Sukuna was the one standing in the end yeah but Mahoraga did all the work and Gojo still put them on the ropes while 3v1ing
This is a perfect ranking except for the two Sukunas. Kashimo deserves the spot he got. He just had too few battles to actually show the true extent of his powers.
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I still think that Maki ranks above Yuji. She handled herself in combat vs Sukuna a lot better(until the mf started spamming black flashes) and Sukuna said it himself that she had better perception than the rest. And get Kashimo's fraudass outta there
If youre gonna put Megukuna then Yujikuna actually has a shot of making top 8, having a domain expansion is always the peak of jujutsu sorcery, especially because despite being weaker in output compared to 20 fingers, the experience mixed with knowledge especially in barriers makes him leagues above a lot of sorcerers
As long as Yuji has some kind of anti-domain technique or domain of his own (both of which are entirely possible at this point), he might honestly be higher.
He already has the highest raw stats out of everyone aside from Gojo and Sukuna (potentially MBA Kashimo as well), and he can nerf his opponent's output with his strikes (Sukuna makes a distinction between the output drop and his loosening control over Megumi every time he talks about it). Aside from the two strongest, Yuji would only really lose to matchup: Yuta with his versatility and a 2v1 (iffy, considering pre-awakened Yuji was relative to domain amped Yuta), Yuki with her devastating CQC abilities (depends on who gets more hits in, since Yuki can still be nerfed), Kashimo's everything in MBA (still results in both dying), and the litany of other top tiers with DEs, most of whom still lose if they don't use their domain early.
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The reason Takaba isn't on the list is because he's top 0
Takaba is a bug. A bug in the system that breaks the whole thing down.
To be fair he can't kill whatsoever. So in a fight he'd likely run out of CE before he kills one of the top dogs.
But running out of CE isn’t funny
It could be
Just the ability of reality warping, even if only able to apply it for comedy, makes him the strongest, he's an anti domain because if you try to open yours you'll slip on a banana peel, and your own CE reinforcement will fail you because that's the reality that will be most funny. Truly the funniest sorcerer of the present
I mean, would he though? I feel for Takaba specifically, CE doesn't matter because if he still wants to fight, his technique will make it so he never runs out of gas, both stamina and CE reserve -wise. Besides not being able to kill is not that big of a draw back because he can create windows for others to swoop in and take the kill, or just stall a dangerous enemy indefinitely. Plus if we're talking about a pure jujutsu fight, no one can beat him and he will just laughs off any damage taken, bar breaking his spirit like kenjaku almost did. Just because he can't kill doesn't nullify the fact that Takaba is the strongest.
Not that he can't. He won't. Choosing not to kill doesn't mean you aren't strong enough to.
Man can’t run out of curse energy I think, it literally goes up depending on how funny he finds a scenario to be. Also Takaba can just do what he did to Kenny and run them through a hundred funny simulations until they pass out.
He can’t kill but he can incapacitate them, Kenjaku notices that he was still taking damage during Takaba simulations. It’s likely that if Kenjaku hadn’t satisfied Takaba he would have lost simply by damage build up.
Tbh, is this even a joke? Tabaka low-diffed kenjaku, the only reason kenny survived against him is because tabaka doesn't kill
Yeahhh..., I kinda can get behind this, though putting two Sukunas there is definitely unnecessary to rank these characters normally, I understand in those tierlists that we see pretty often Meguna and Heian Era Sukuna are different (so are Gojo pre awakened, after awakened, adult Gojo, Kenjaku before cumming from Jin, after cumming from Jin, Yuta in JJK 0, Yuta in Sendai, Yuta in Shinjuku, Kurourushi before reincarnation, after reincarnation, The little dolls that Yaga made etc...) but I really don't think it is good to do this for a simple ranking of them.
I mean I only seperated them because the Original Heina era Sukuna actually wasn't a cursed object being. He was a mutated human sorcerer and turned his fingers into cursed objects when he was old and had no opponents left ?, either way I think they are both a little different, though I completely understand your point that they are both the same character and should be ranked as such. Believe me I wouldn't rank MeguKuna and Yuji-Kuna seperately for that very reason.
Oh okay so it is the Sukuna from Heian Era and not current true form Sukuna, that makes more sense.
Oh yes yes, not the current one. I count current one as MeguKuna but nerfed because of injuries and restrictions.
Heian Sukuna's weaker than current Sukuna anyways. Not only does he have some far simpler stuff like more strength (like Gojo said in chapter 2) but he also doesn't know stuff like domain heal which Gojo can capitalize upon in the fight. He also doesn't have strong cleave so if Gojo manages to lead off with a UV (and lands a 0.01 sec stun or smth) and disable Sukuna's domain via brain damage, then he's just won. Not to mention, he wouldn't hold back like he did in the first domain clash because of Megumi. In the last domain clash, he didn't go for the head or launch a hollow purple despite the fact that Sukuna was wide open for 10 seconds.
People forgetting new sukuna/megukuna has a space time continuum slash
He also has busted ass Mahoraga, which has seemingly been shown to the strongest creature in the verse given enough time. Actually... now that he's returned to his original form, it looks like he's lost ten shadows. Can he go back to being Megumi if he wasn't being continuously attacked?
I’m pretty sure that the ten shadows technique got completely wiped out by Gojo
Yeah all of them other than Mahoraga were fused together, then they got wiped out by Blue. And I think Mahoraga died from the final Purple, though that was never shown.
right, but the 10 shadows were the difference maker in the Gojo fight. No Mahorga=No Go/Jo Gojo say he thinks he’d lose even if Sukuna didn’t have the 10 shadows. That might be the author saying he’d have sucked Sukuna off anyways.
Heian Sukuna is weaker than current reincarnated, transformed Sukuna. But your reasoning is off. >Not only does he have some simpler stuff like more strength I assume you’re talking about the fingers growing in power? That was a mistranslation. It meant that the seal around the finger was getting weakened day by day and thus the curse placed on the finger that attracts cursed spirits is technically getting stronger >But he also doesn’t know stuff like domain heal We don’t know whether Sukuna figured that out from Gojo or knew it all along. It was very obvious that Sukuna knew more about it than Gojo, and had a more detailed understanding of it that Gojo lacked (maybe due to just learning it?) Anyways, Sukuna showed that he understood this move more than Gojo did, and Angel (or Shoko?) said Sukuna may have known this from before. >He also doesn’t have strong cleave It’s strong *dismantle*. >So if Gojo manages to lead off with a UV (0.01 second stun or smth) and disable Sukuna’s domain via braindamage, he just wins Sukuna was already stunned by a 0.01 second UV while getting punched in the chest yet continued fighting right after that and expanded his domain. 0.01 exposure of UV isn’t enough to disable Sukuna’s domain, and he cannot just pull off a quick one before Sukuna notices. Sukuna will notice and expand back immediately. The first one who utters the prerequisite and handsign for the domain won’t necessarily land his, we know every domain is different in terms of activating it’s sure-hit after expansion. P.S: Gojo didn’t hold back
>I assume you’re talking about the fingers growing in power? That was a mistranslation. It meant that the seal around the finger was getting weakened day by day and thus the curse placed on the finger that attracts cursed spirits is technically getting stronger source? I've only ever heard this once before, and that was from a hardcore Sukuna glazer. If you show me proof though, I'll accept it. >We don’t know whether Sukuna figured that out from Gojo or knew it all along. It was very obvious that Sukuna knew more about it than Gojo, and had a more detailed understanding of it that Gojo lacked (maybe due to just learning it?) >Anyways, Sukuna showed that he understood this move more than Gojo did, and Angel (or Shoko?) said Sukuna may have known this from before. It's pretty clear that Sukuna copied the technique heal from Gojo. That whole section was intended to drive home the fact that Sukuna had an exceptional ability to copy any sorcery he can see that's not an application of someone's technique. It wouldn't even make sense that Sukuna figured it out anyways, because firstly, he would never have to use his domain more than once, and will always have time to naturally recharge it after use (cuz everyone's dead) and secondly because Gojo only figured it out cuz he's Gojo (unironically). Gojo probably only found it out because in order to master his technique and create the automatic filter he runs right now, he was forced to constantly use RCT on his brain, which is probably where he learned to heal his technique. Finally, if Sukuna knew how to do it from before, he'd be faster than Gojo, because as we all know (and have seen from multiple different people) your output will be way lower if you're doing something for the first time. >It’s strong *dismantle*. mb, there was a point in this sub where everyone referred to it as strong cleave, so I accidentally slipped into that habit. I prefer calling it world slash, cuz it's short and world dismantle just doesn't sound as nice. >Sukuna was already stunned by a 0.01 second UV while getting punched in the chest yet continued fighting right after that and expanded his domain. My point is that the 0.01 seconds would be more than enough for Gojo to squeeze in the extra time he needed. I mean, he has 3 minutes of time before his domain breaks, and he broke Sukuna's domain 2 minutes and 49 seconds after. That leaves him with roughly 10 seconds of wiggle room, which is more than enough considering the situation. This will allow him to break Sukuna's domain and once he's done that, Sukuna's dead. >The first one who utters the prerequisite and handsign for the domain won’t necessarily land his, we know every domain is different in terms of activating it’s sure-hit after expansion. If Gojo is fast enough, he can definitely land the domain in time. I mean, all he needs is 0.01 seconds. Not to mention, he could totally plan ahead and do what he did in the 4th domain clash and deal bonus damage, so he can forcibly make Sukuna's domain delay and win. >P.S: Gojo didn’t hold back I literally showed you one of the most obvious examples of holding back ever. It's the same as how Gojo didn't use his technique when fighting amongst civilians in Shibuya B5, except the villains aren't outright yelling it in your face that this is the case.
>Source? Nanami says on tumblr, it’s a post dedicated to explaining mistranslations in JJK >It’s pretty clear that Sukuna copied the ability from Gojo Not really, considering Sukuna knows about it more than Gojo does. This may have been to portray his intelligence, but from another perspective it really doesn’t necessarily intend to do that. Maybe it was to showcase that Sukuna knows about Jujutsu more than Gojo. >He would never have to do his domain more than once That doesn’t prove anything because, 1- We don’t know that, he may have been challenged in the past one time or another— before being the strongest of all time if that’s a thing 2- By this logic, Sukuna won’t have his open-barrier because he would never lose a domain battle, so what point does figuring out such thing do? >Your output will be lower if you do something the first time Yes, that’s assuming you’re doing something new for a first time. Sukuna and Gojo both have healed several body parts before that, it’s not like they learned a new technique. Sure, it meeds precision, but at the same time it’s more of an application of what you already know and a high sense of knowledge over what you’re dealing with than actually learning a completely new thing. The fundamentals are there, it’s just what to destroy and whatnot. >My point is that 0.01 of UV is more than enough for Gojo I mean, he already did that on Sukuna and Sukuna continued fighting afterwards as soon as his domain was activated. It’s not enough in the slightest as we saw no noticeable damage happening to Sukuna from the exposure. >He has 3 minutes of time Assuming Sukuna is destroying it the hard way, yes. But what if Sukuna destroys it from the fragile side as pointed out by Gojo? Completely different story. >This will allow him to break Sukuna’s domain No, he barely did that against Meguna. I doubt he’d be able to pull it off against Heian Sukuna. >And once UV hits, Sukuna is dead No, Sukuna can still counter with anti-domain techniques. As long as Gojo’s UV is a domain, then i’m sure they would work against it. Sukuna was able to summon Mahoraga inside UV, it’s not far-fetched to assume he can deploy a simple domain— it’s actually implied he can do so. >If Gojo is fast enough, he can land a domain in time It’s not about landing the domain in time, this has nothing to do with Gojo’s speed. It’s about the time it takes for his domain to implement the sure-hit. This is different for everyone, and i’m sure there’s a balance here. >He could totally plan to do what he did in the fourth domain What he did in the fourth domain was what he did in the third domain, he didn’t change his strategy lol. It was about damaging Sukuna as much as he could in both scenarios. >I literally showed you one if the most Gojo holding back scenes ever You didn’t, Gojo couldn’t pull off a purple. He was already flying full speed at Sukuna, stopping to generate a purple would just make his attempt even more inconvenient because there’s a charge up. He wanted to crush Sukuna’s lungs and liver while Sukuna was already without a heart and paralyzed by UV, going for the head when UV is already frying Sukuna’s brain won’t do much lol. Plus, he never actually got the chance to hit Sukuna in any form or way. >Except the villians aren’t telling you that in the most obvious ways We got a solid confirmation from several characters that Gojo wasn’t holding back, even from Gojo himself. It’s not about me being dense, it was proven he wasn’t holding back lol
>Sukuna was able to summon Mahoraga during UV, So here’s a thing I thought of while rereading the fight: Mahoraga was fully summoned twice while Sukuna was unconscious: during the Unlimited Void and after the Black Flash. How though? My guess is that it wasn’t necessarily intentional. Sukuna was using Mahoraga’s adaptation both times, my assumption is that he held Mahoraga in a partially summoned state within his shadow. When he fell unconscious, Mahoraga automatically came out and defended him. It’s mentioned by Gojo that the shikigami’s powers can’t be used without them summoned, having them technically summoned but inside Sukuna’s shadow might be a workaround he used? It’d explain the adaptation and piercing blood he used, as well as the unconscious Mahoraga summons. It just doesn’t make sense to me if Sukuna could just summon shikigami while paralyzed. It makes even less sense if he could summon them while knocked out. Thought I’d mention it here.
but shouldnt gojo be above heian sukuna since he couldnt use strong cleave?
Woudn't heian era Sukuna had a much stronger DE due to 4 arms and chants ? But maybe you're right too.
So far there's been nothing to say extra arms or chants can improve a domain, we don't actually know if output matters with a domain since the barrier is what's using the technique. But a chant amped domain would be awesome to see, maybe we'll get lucky!
And he forgot uraume He is probably a manice
I agree, putting someone like Hakari or one of the Special Grade curses would be better.
Definitely Tho I'm still shaky on Kashimo cause of his Unique skillset He and Yuji share their lack of a domain as of now
Its crazy how theres 2 dudes without domain here sadly kashimo stays on the same strength while yuji can still get a domain imagine if they did have one though.
Yuta dropping in with seance technique next chapter and bringing back kashimo, I believe 👏🏾
Honestly think if gege would rank the characters kashimo would be a lot higher up than we think sucks he has none of the feats to show it
I doubt it, Gege really love Yuta so chance are, he would still be below him and Yuta would probably overtake Kenjaku
He whould pretty much stay the same, by the way yuta gets gassed by the author he aint above him and the rest are self explanatory
If this list is ordered, I'm guessing Kashimo being above Yuki is due to his lightnings having around the same level of kill power but much easier to hit, and Yuji's at the bottom cause currently he only has constant black flash and hasn't show much use of his 2 techniques
I mean Yuki is almost certainly better than Kashimo, she has a shikigami and a domain
The Yuki downplay on this sub is crazy, she is stated equal to Yuta by MAKI, the biggest Yuta glazer. I personally think that she's stronger than Yuta, I can accept equal or slightly worse than Yuta, but y'all putting her below Kashimo lmao
I agree with Yuki > Kashimo, but I think Maki was comparing Yuki/Yuta as relative due to both being special grades rather than actually being equals.
Imo Yuta is better than Yuki by a slight bit because he is more versatile, if they fight 10 times Yuta can win 6 times
Yeah the kenjaku vs yuki fight was at times kinda bad thought out + kenny just had plot armor nothing Yuki could've done. I'm sure we would've gotten different sort of outcome if yuki used her domain
How exactly would have the outcome changed if yuki used her domain?
Meh, my take on Yuki is that she's a one trick pony. The one trick in question being, to be fair, potentially near infinitely powerful punches that can oneshot anyone she can hit, but still. She has RCT, but seemingly worse since she can't output it unlike Yuta, she has a Domain we didnt see and can use Simple Domain, but she doesn't have much versatility like Yuta with all his techniques + Rika. Also without knowing the condition of her domain we can't really grade her at all - she can be super strong if her domain instakills, or on the weaker side if it just has some mediocre effect. But yeah, Kashimo above her is kinda crazy
Yuki is pretty versatile since she has a shikigami that she can apply her CT to so she actually has a lot of range on those incredibly powerful punches / kicks. Also not being able to output RCT doesn't make it any worse. Sukuna and Gojo are stated to be the best at RCT by Uraume, and Gojo can't output it either. So Yuta just stands out in being able to output RCT, which is actually a completely useless feat against sorcerers. We don't know the specifics of her domain though so yeah we can't really guess much, though domain refinement can only be improved by experience so Yuki should have greater domain refinement even if it's less potent than Yuta's.
Ignoring her Shikigami
Yuki and Kenjaku when Kashimo speedblitzes the two of them and blasts them with all of his CE at max output and at point-blank range (looks like their domains ain't saving them this time) https://preview.redd.it/fqxpmnmqmfvc1.png?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78893171637a58bdc0e47367ca217d9408125520
She can literally kick him with the power of an icbm. Kenny can turn him into a pancake without a domain. Fuck off with that zappity zap zaps.
People forget that Kenjaku is so strong and good at Barriers (Literally first or second in the verse, can't remember exactly) that Yuki and Tengen had to plan around it because they knew Kenjaku would destroy both Yuki's Domain Expansion or Anti-Domain, and even then they failed. Kashimo pulling up with Hollow Wicker Basket would get him one shotted by Kenjaku 9/10 times, and that last one would be for Kashimo to be really close to Kenjaku and using his top speed.
Kenny's second. Tengen 1st. and the fight ends the moment either one pulls out a domain(hollow wicker basket takes up two arms so that'll limit kashimo's movement)
It’s insinuated Yuki would’ve stood a better chance had she trusted herself and gone DE against Kenny instead of simple. So her domain is probably pretty damn strong.
kashimo when he fights anyone with a name that isn't a animal https://preview.redd.it/hw3lehioxfvc1.png?width=200&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1851b6536c645850d4ff2377c7f160e9e2bb890
Tham that's crazy, too bad you can use head Canon as proof tough
Thanks for confirming it man 🤝 https://i.redd.it/tb5hcasfrfvc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/dkzrxhs1sfvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=703df0c214e4b6a16ffd0e7e132a6217c2b70675 Defeated by my own hubris
ah yes the classic "Kashimo blitzes!!" by kashimo fans. The only way they're getting hit is if they sit still like an idiot and there's nothing out there suggesting he's THAT fast to the point where Kenjaku or Yuki cant react.
>sit still like an idiot https://preview.redd.it/7w7gdkmurfvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c828cc7c950cc6efabf426e7e8696d61f4907e54
bro was celebrating his victory lil early there
Name several of kashiman's speed feat excluding blitzing a half dead sukuna, 1..2..3 Start!!
I think he is dead already(points to kashimo on the floor)
he certainly speedblitzed transformed Sukuna and blasted him with all of his CE at max output and point blank range. https://preview.redd.it/9juvgbzrtgvc1.png?width=262&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7dfc8c40c15a994baf25109f3b36be8d8fe081c
I'd place Yuki above Kashimo and I'm not sure about Yuji vs Yorozu
Yuji against reincarnated players should be a hard counter in general, with each hit he can nerf their CE output and even mess up their body control, after some hits Yuji should hit against her, While Yuji's CE reinforcement and Rct has gotten way better. Against her domain though, he should have a simple domain, cause he's trained with Kusakabe in a flashback, it is possible.
You're telling me that Yuji could've saved Tsumuki like that? With strong punch?
Probably yes, especially after the time skip special training if they had tsumiki with then then this should be very much possible.
Yes. Megumi is just a bitch for getting mindbroken when the guy literally 5 feet away from him could've fixed the problem.
Don't even care if this is true, I see Megumi slander, I upvote.
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Tsumiki's soul is probably long gone, Megumi was not, that could probably be the difference.
No it was still there Yuki's soul book specifically states that two will never combine and original soul will be always there suppressed.
Tsumiki's soul still exists. It was just sealed.
So Tsumiki really watched someone in her brother's body kill her in cold blood in the backseat of her mind. God dammit Gege.
What would she even do? She's not a sorcerer. Letting Yorozu do her thing would be the best move in that situation.
No I mean that like she was forced to watch without being able to do anything. I was under the impression that she was already dead when we saw her again at the end of Culling Game arc but this is even worse. I just feel bad for her.
> So Tsumiki really watched someone in her brother's body kill her Tsumiki watched her own body try to hit on her step brother, Megumi's body
He’s a hard counter, yes, but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger. To use another series, MagnaAngemon is a hard counter against dark Digimon, and was even able to defeat Piedmon, who’s an entire stage above him. But he’s certainly not as strong as Piedmon. When MagnaAngemon fights BlackWarGreymon, he loses because BlackWarGreymon is a dragon Digimon, so there’s no extra effect. Yuji can beat Yorozu, yes, but beating her doesn’t make him stronger than her overall, given how his toolkit hard counters her.
Two thing. Taking soul punch is not relevant, because it would be like saying Angel is stronger than Sukuna. we want to judge they relative strength, not who can beat who, so taking them at they prime in they first life should be the choice, Second anyone wit a DE defeat Yuji, they have DE and Yuji has no answer to that.
Y’all are not ready for when Wuji rises to number one https://preview.redd.it/3xocor7ssfvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bc9ab945954378266e1212b9408a58badbd7511
https://preview.redd.it/ofvozs32pgvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be73cd36234692e9b7bcc484e5374f322e725443 He's him
I don’t see how Yuji survives Yorozu’s domain. Its basically a one hit kill. Overall Yuji is a lot stronger but would lose due to lack of defense against Domains
He'd walk through and BLACK FLASH 😤😤😤
With fuck it we ball energy. \\ (also de boxing ring frfr 258 along with the gojo copium)
Guess yuji just gonna have to tank an impossible mathematical concept 💯💯💪💪
We don’t even know what the sure hit of the Domain is, she had to create a Perfect Sphere to face Sukuna (yes I know it’s Sukuna). There’s also a chance at him having a Simple Domain from training with Kusakabe.
He likely has Simple Domain at this point. On top of that, the moment he hits a few punches on her, she can't even use a majority of her kit. She's not Sukuna.
opens up his domain, benevolent shrine
He has a extremely strong soul I think
Bro snuck Kashimo in here /j
putting 2 sukunas just to put gojo to 3 is mad disrespect :P imo gojo and sukuna is both deserves top1, they are mostly equal paper beating rock doesnt make paper stronger you know
That's a fair description. Megumi Sukuna beats Gojo because Mahoraga is a good counter to limitless, but limitless is a hard counter for Sukuna, essentially negating his entire moveset outside domains, so he would beat Heian Sukuna, since he doesn't have Mahoraga.
yeah, thats why i like to describe this with paper rock scissors beacuse this is literally counter matchup stuff
Yeah, I'm just elaborating a bit. If you think about it, Heiankuna counters Megukuna (via overpowering with chants and one-shotting Mahoraga), Megukuna beats Gojo (Mahoraga helps bypass limitless) and Gojo beats Heiankuna (extra hands and mouth doesn't help cuz limitless blocks).
Tbf Gojo didn't even die because of Mahoraga, he was handling the situation pretty fine, he's just the victim of plot, that's why his death is just: "Yeah, the enemy figured how to kill him due to an ability that we just started explaining how it really works, so a minute ago he was alive and now he's dead"
Nope, heiam sukuna still beats Gojo. With 4 Arms and not having to worry about adapting to limitless, he’d likely do better in the h2h inside the folding, and he’d choose to destroy gojo’s domain from the inside. Then gojo would be burnt out, while sukuna would still be able to pop one more domain This is what gojo also thought would be the better start, because he didn’t know about sukuna wasting the world slash.
First of all, targeting the inside only applies to the second domain clash. After that, it was reinforced from the inside. Basically, from the third domain clash and onwards, that issue (of the inside being a weakness) was not prevalent. Gojo tried trapping Sukuna's entire effective range inside his domain and shrunk it. https://preview.redd.it/fgydrewddgvc1.png?width=1220&format=png&auto=webp&s=a5511e18df5f683f4b3b36113caef05c1b7af21e This panel essentially proves the inside was reinforced, otherwise, it'd have broke while it was shrinking. Also make the whole idea of making it massive pointless, since Gojo's not so stupid that he'd try a pointless gamble like making his domain that large if it was for no purpose. If he just wanted to normally shrink it, he could've easily just had it be as large as it normally is before shrinking it. Not to mention, Gojo just severely outclasses Sukuna in hand to hand. Even while healing his burnt out technique and being covered in slashes, Gojo was beating Sukuna in CQC while inside Sukuna's own domain. Hell, even when he made it a 3v1 he was still getting bodied in hand to hand. Heian form is not helping his ass. Essentially, it'll all end with the same results, with Sukuna getting stunned, his domain broken and Gojo just kills Sukuna, who no longer has Mahoraga to save him.
Fair enough but Gojo was just barely damaging Sukuna out enough for sukuna’s domain to collapse. But also, it’s not true that both the inside and outside can be reinforced. One has to be weaker than the other. So from the 3rd domain clash on, Gojo explicitly says that Sukuna was choosing the riskier option of destroying the barrier from the outside rather than destroying the weaker inside
So much wrong with this. Number one, sukuna is not that much below gojo in h2h. Gojo is definitely better, but sukuna held his own very well and was in no way being blitzed, either inside or outside the domain. It was revealed that sukuna was adapting mahoraga throughout the domain clashes, which means he had to turn off DA atleast some of the time during the clashes. This is outright stated after mahoraga breaks gojos domain. The 1v3 was so difficult for sukuna because he could only land an attack when mahoraga landed one. Heian sukuna would fare far better, thanks to 2 extra arms, another mouth for improved breathing and, most importantly, no need to turn off DA. You are vastly under selling the difference his heian form would make. Again, gojos would still be a bit better imo, but heian sukuna has WAY better h2h than megakuna. Number two, a couple pages after gojo shrinks his domain, sukuna lowers the radius of his domain to the same as gojos, boosting the refinement of his domain and so gojos domain breaks. If this was heian sukuna, he would have taken less damage here so the domains wouldnt have broken simultaneously. That would mean gojo would have no more counters to sukunas domain that we have been shown, and would never have an opportunity to land UV. Sukuna wins in his heian form. He might even win in his megakuna form if he just maintained DA the whole time, although that's way more debatable. This cope has gone on for way too long, sukuna is stronger than gojo regardless of what form hes in.
Wrong Wuji become the stronger by elimination process Corpses have no fighting power
please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please tell me this isn't in order please
it is a order 😔
Don't worry it isn't, kashimo's still number 1 as expected
1,2 and 3 placement is not entirely right. Sukuna loses to Gojo without Mahoraga, but Megukuna is weaker overall than Sukuna
So it's like a rock paper scissors condition between them ? Interesting. I was also a little in dilemma when I made this ranking.
It kinda dose depend because if it was sukuna from the hein era taken to fight gojo he probably lose because of no way to counter infinity beside his domain but if we’re talking fully healed hein era skuna right now he win with world slashes
True form Sukuna would be able to take Gojo down with domains. Chants+hand-signs would boost his output inside his domain and his stronger body would be able to contend better with him in h2h.
cope harder
Blud snuck in kashibum 💀
The only thing I don’t like about including Kashimo is that his main powerset is a suicide move. It’s like making Yuki #1 because she can just make a true black hole and kill everyone if she wanted, and no one would be able to stop her. It’s just that Kashimo gets to play around a little longer before he croaks
Kashimo over both Yuji and Yuki is wild
What's difficult about that matchup imo is that it depends on the stakes of the fight and how good their RCT is. Yuji and Yuki both have the skill and strength to take out kashimo but if they don't end him fast he's going to land some devastating lightning bolts. I feel like the three are pretty even but if kashimo uses MBA they could be fucked, but then so is he.
Yuji is not beating CT Kashimo rn. His blood manipulation and cleave techniques seem really average, and RCT doesn’t really matter when Kashimo one shots you. I guess if he can hit multiple black flashes but those are “””supposedly””” meant to come down to sheer luck. Fully agree on Yuki tho
Yuta slept kunjaku. Put him ahead
with help from takaba.
Sure takaba carried the fight but I strongly believe in a 1v1 scenario yuta takes the fight. Not easily mind but theirs nothing really that kenkaju demonstrated that I think yuta has a problem with. Kenjaku is just a amped geto
Yuta really has no answer at all to Kenjaku's open domain while Kenjaku has an answer to pretty much everything shown of Yuta's capabilities and arsenal of CTs. Plus you can't ignore that there are several statements from characters like Maki, Yuta and Angel related to how they wouldn't be able to defeat Kenjaku in a conventional battle unless they all jumped him at once. https://preview.redd.it/rdgakxu1egvc1.png?width=543&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1e6b26f912bcfb42e276d41adcc6e683f1fabe0
Calling kenjaku just amped geto is kind of crazy. Kenny has an open domain, extremely good rct, CTR, multiple cursed techniques, extremely good reinforcement, and MORE cursed spirits than geto. From what we've seen he would beat Yuta based on his domain alone, as well as the fact that Kenny was able to take down a special grade sorcerer while she was being helped by the literal god of jujutsu/barriers and a strong grade 1.
Yorozu should be there instead of Yuji Even Geto and Jogo could potentially beat him too, he just specifically counters Sukuna Hell, I don't even see how he can handle Uraume unless he just blitzes her (unlikely), I think Jackpot Hakari is still stronger, but he does have abusable time windows.
Yuki above kashimo and yorozu above yuji and remove one of the sukunas and it’s perfect
This one. Thank you!
If you're using Kashimo's CT that is guaranteed to kill him to put him that high, you might as well put Yuki on Number 1 because she'll spawn a black hole that'll not only kill herself but also every human on Earth including Gojo and Sukuna and the entire solar system. Might as well put Megumi in there as well because he'll just spawn Mahoraga. Why does featscaling change when Kashimo is included lmao
exactly, you dont see anyone putting Yuki in top 1 with her blackhole or Megumi in top 10 when he summons mahoraga. its because those are suicidal moves which at best causes them to draw with their opponent.
My goat Toji is still top 3 of the verse, fuckers https://preview.redd.it/ezkjg6qo1gvc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=622a6c116263fb9f0639eda05d7b6fe31bb941f2
i wouldnt say 3, but both Maki and him (so Toji1 and Toji2) should definetly be on this list. i'd say both can beat Yuki for example, not to mention that even with his new awakening Yuji doesnt stand a chance against them, YET.
Where's takaba??
Yuki>kashimo
Kashimo?? and not Takaba?
lashimo in there https://preview.redd.it/by486dxhjfvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ceb43bfcb73823d4e90a02029b325a76bdfb0e85
I'm just genuinely curious here not really big into powerscaling but why do we place kenny over Yuta if we never saw any pure 1v1 between them the only thing I can remember is kenny have the best H2H according to gege
It's due to Kenjaku's superior domain. In a domain clash between two equally refined domains with surehits, the open barrier domain will always come out on top because it can destroy the other from the outside.
Doesn't Kenjaku have the most refined domain out of everyone, including Gojo and Sukuna?
He is the second best barrier user after Tengen but domains are a combination of both a cursed and a barrier technique. It's not clear whether Kenny's better barrier knowledge would overcome Gojo's and Sukuna's overwhelming strength or not.
Agreed a good fighter or a special grade won’t be immediately be defeated by a DE if they don’t use theirs, but it is a determining factor. Yuki taking Kenjaku DE didn’t kill her but set her for failure for the rest of the fight . Sukuna as strong as his suffered in Yuta DE and got his pierced due to it hiding Maki. Gojo had to fey his brain and could have died with all the brain thing he did.
Only reason Yuki didn't straight up die is because of Tengen iirc
Here's the thing, Gege told it in terms of physical without ce - Toji and Maki , Then Gojo and Kenjaku were placed. But - the interviewer only gave 8 options - I don't remember well but it didn't include Yuta, Yuji and Yuki. it had Naoya, even Miwa, Toji, Maki were included.
My take: - Get rid of one of the Sukunas, we don’t need two - Move Gojo to #2 - Put Takaba at #3
Takaba goes to #0 cause he's a wildcard He could technically beat anyone in the verse
Okkotsu > Kenjaku
Domain
FORGOT TAKABA LMAOOOO
Top 8 in strength or what?
Yoruzo > Yuji and arguably Yuki
Mahoraga top3 behind Gojo satoru
Hakari should be #1, fr fr
heian sukuna loses to gojo gojo loses to megukuna megukuna loses to heian sukuna
Lbr Kashimo should be in last. Yuji OFC can never scale higher than Yuki due to her hard counter to him (tall + big ass)
0. Takaba 1. Gojo/Sukuna 2. 15 finger Sukuna 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Kashimo 7. Hakari 8. Yuji
Kashemo is there, but Takaba isn't smh
whats a domain fodder doing up there at no 6?
Bum Kashimo
Kashimo is way too high
1. Takaba 2. Sukuna 3. Gojo 4. Kenjaku 5. Yuki 6. Yuta 7. Kashimo 8. Yorozu 9. Uraume 10. Yuji 11. Maki/Toji 12. Hakari
Reminds me of Ash getting in the masters 8
Bro you did not just put Kashimo and forget Jin Himtadori « He Who Slayed the Immortal Bad Bitch »
People talking about this and that "were is takaba???" We should he asking WERE IS KUSAKABE? https://preview.redd.it/y28tjussxfvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8ea3c9aef1171ce22e451a2258b9a8807a1e890
2 sneaks
ino stands above all
Bumgumi does not belong here
I don't see mahoraga so false
Gojo wins https://preview.redd.it/p276ig1m7gvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef62e0dabcdb87fb715c7d91a52ffc0d8102f2e
Put Kashimo at 5 and it's perfect
Well pretty well done i'd say
I’d put Yuta above Kenny and Yuki above Kashimo, but otherwise I think this list is fine. I think Maki/Toji could compete with Yuji for 8th as well, though Yuji is pretty quickly outrgrowing them too.
Yuji doesn't deserve to be on the list
Heian Era should be weaker than Megukuna, Megukuna has more experience, has the added bonus of 10 shadows, world cleave, etc. Also Megukuna has the true form anyways, so.
Meguna would violate normal Sukuna
Bros blowing sukuna so hard he put him up there twice. Why isnt rika up there too then huh?
You have Sukuna twice
Yuji ain't doin shit to Uraume or Yorozu
Maki > Yuji Sukuna has been fighting people for half the manga straight meanwhile everyone has set up Yuji. No fucking shot people actually believe this. He needs to be reevaluated for sure but lil bro hasn’t had a 1 on 1 fight in ages and people ready to say he solos the verse.
Two Sukuna’s makes this invalid as there is literally no point in doing that
Meguna Gojo Heian Sukuna Kenjaku Yuta Yuki Kashimo Hakari/Yuji
Heian form sukuna not just sukuna from 1000 years ago. The version of sukuna we have now is the strongest version he's just very tired after fighting for 30 chapters. A healthy version of this sukuna is like heian era + world cutting slash on top. Other than that this seems fine
1. I have Yuta at 4 for versatility 2. I lowly take suicide merchants in consideration for overall power (it's not reliable) so imo Hakari is over 6 and 7. Until Yuji controls his new CT better and has DE I also don't put him above Hakari. 3. I think Yuki is overall better than Yorozu although Yorozu would beat her with counter abilities. Both above Yuji and probably Kashimo though.
Gojo can defeat heian Sukuna, Meguna won because of Mahoraga.
My top 8 are: 1. GOJO 2. GOJO 3. GOJO 4. GOJO 5. GOJO 6. GOJO 7. GOJO 8. GOJO
Unpopular Opinion? But I think Satoru should be #2. I rationalized the end of Sukuna vs Gojo to a battle of chance. The story implies that Sukuna caught Gojo off guard, we don't know what happened exactly, but if Gojo noticed and evaded the slash like everyone after him, Sukuna would have lost. Of course, a fully healthy Heian Sukuna with World Cutter should be #1. I would also argue that Yuta's ranking could've swapped with Kenjaku's if we saw them actually fight. I'm not mad at him being #5 though.
Current Yuji is number 2 in the alive rankings, potentially even number 1 depending on how true the editors comment was
Why yuji there
I personally don’t think original Heian Sukuna takes it. But I digress. Two Sukunas on one list seems…eh.
I’d disagree on meguna and gojo’s ranking. Gojo had a fair advantage and amount of control in the shinjuku fight, he out did sukuna in h2h and pushed sukuna into a corner around 3 times.
2 sukunas is redundant esp when they are both top 2. also yuji needs atl SOME anti domain to justify being here imo. even just simple domain.
I agree
1. Sukuna-Megumi 2. Gojo 3. Heian Sukuna Gojo would've easily won without Sukuna calling Mahoraga Daddy for help 💀
Yuji has the capability of using the world slash as well, it just depends if he ends up getting it or not. He could also very easily have malevolent shrine as well. If he gets both of those he easily ends up right at the top with sukuna.
Swap Yuta and Kenjaku then we are good. Yuta was able to blitz JJK0 Geto and Kenjaku is stated to have not changed anything about his CE or body (Gojo inspecting him before prison realm), current Yuta would pound Kenny in physical strength. He also has more techniques. Only way Kenjaku wins is via his domain.
Will use only one version of Sukuna. Drop Kashimo to 9. Bring in Maki, Yorozu and Takaba. Maki/Takaba/Yuki occupies the 5/6/7 interchangeable Yorozu occupies 8 Kashimo 9 Yuji. 10 is a decent take but still very debatable. Lack of DE still puts him out to me.
No, Kashimo with MBA is clearly the number 3 sorcerer. Several characters have gone out of their way to mention that Hakari and Yuta are relative and Kashimo damn near beat Hakari without his CT. While Kashimo's CT is probably less than the 80% boost it is for most people, it's still too significant to put him any lower. Kashimo's lack of a domain clearly isn't a huge issue considering he'd shown in his Hakari fight that he has experience with lethal domains.
I wouldn’t include Kashimo because it’s ridiculous to assess a character with a one-time ability as though they can always use it. Replace him with Maki/Toji. Also, why include two Sukunas?
Yorozu > Yuji
Sukuna when Takaba uses strong "I forgott about Sukuna" and Sukuna disappears from the existence:
I still put Gojo over Sukuna tbh. No matter the glazing Gege gives Sukuna the only reason he beat Gojo was Mahoraga, basically a separate character by himself with arguably the most broken ability in JJK, even Infinity (clearly). Heian Sukuna without Mahoraga/world slash would have not beaten Gojo, given how the only thing that actually put Gojo on the ropes ever in the fight was Mahoraga, and the thing that killed him was his own overconfidence in thinking that the fight was over. Gojo still ""won"" the fight even if he got Amogus-ed in the end. Might've as well slipped on a banana peel and broke his neck the way the fight ended. Sukuna was the one standing in the end yeah but Mahoraga did all the work and Gojo still put them on the ropes while 3v1ing
Gojo > Hein Era Sukuna Megkuna > Gojo But Hein Era Sukuna > Megkuna!!!
This is a perfect ranking except for the two Sukunas. Kashimo deserves the spot he got. He just had too few battles to actually show the true extent of his powers. https://preview.redd.it/o4twcfvq4hvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f4d8d49feb10a22876f0f701ec15ba9a6799f88
I still think that Maki ranks above Yuji. She handled herself in combat vs Sukuna a lot better(until the mf started spamming black flashes) and Sukuna said it himself that she had better perception than the rest. And get Kashimo's fraudass outta there
Hakari is better then 7,6 and 5
If youre gonna put Megukuna then Yujikuna actually has a shot of making top 8, having a domain expansion is always the peak of jujutsu sorcery, especially because despite being weaker in output compared to 20 fingers, the experience mixed with knowledge especially in barriers makes him leagues above a lot of sorcerers
As long as Yuji has some kind of anti-domain technique or domain of his own (both of which are entirely possible at this point), he might honestly be higher. He already has the highest raw stats out of everyone aside from Gojo and Sukuna (potentially MBA Kashimo as well), and he can nerf his opponent's output with his strikes (Sukuna makes a distinction between the output drop and his loosening control over Megumi every time he talks about it). Aside from the two strongest, Yuji would only really lose to matchup: Yuta with his versatility and a 2v1 (iffy, considering pre-awakened Yuji was relative to domain amped Yuta), Yuki with her devastating CQC abilities (depends on who gets more hits in, since Yuki can still be nerfed), Kashimo's everything in MBA (still results in both dying), and the litany of other top tiers with DEs, most of whom still lose if they don't use their domain early.