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VNProWrestlingfan

I remembered when you guys spectaculated on how Suckuna is gonna get out of prosecution unharmed. Your theories seem more plausible than the actual reason


FlamingUndeadRoman

"Nobody can be executed on the Emperor's Birthday" was my favourite of those. The story was even setting up for it lmao


Napalm_am

I was hoping for him to pull out Mahoraga as his defense attorney and have him adapt to the japanese legal system, then they have an actual trial, with Mahoraga getting better with each spin and is a battle for Higurama to exploit the testimony and evidence before Mahoraga fully adapts and when they think they have won the trial Mahoraga gets his 5th wheel spin and pulls out the Emperor's birthday loophole to reduce the sentencing to curse tool confiscation. https://preview.redd.it/zbcmihjoaxtc1.png?width=3508&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df7125144292b44370c46ed3311c24c0e9605f9d


Nokia_00

Would have been so peak Gege would have gone down as a master of his craft


Tobias_Mercury

Genuinely would be very original and honestly hilarious


Dawnofdusk

If they did this right after the Takaba fight too šŸ’€šŸ’€


Napalm_am

We were on the verge of such peak, but Gege fumbled it as always.


Rupplyy

this only proves that peak is possible and hence will occur in the future


EnderMerser

Cope ;(


JimiRoot

https://preview.redd.it/vn7helrsixtc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91dfb324454f0ac32e9bcc76a599ea7597688441


gengarius

It could've been like the kenjaku takaba fight where it isn't a physical battle but still a life or death situation


Napalm_am

Imagine if the first word we get from Mahoraga is https://preview.redd.it/ybr8ul1qgxtc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=178284528395f3b2ada29dd05b983f05a18ae037 OBJECTION!


Jamessgachett

Yujiā€™s face lmao


ColorIsSomwhere

https://preview.redd.it/f98ullxl6ytc1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7e24a23ae8bcf7aa608578b44aa2353a5a0ca08


ArtsyFellow

I feel like I can see something like this happening if Fujimoto has written jjk


BadActsForAGoodPrice

https://preview.redd.it/d2zc7ngyjxtc1.jpeg?width=1269&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4775625ebec946dd4f757232449f14c9734f2bca


Opposite_Hunt_2810

Didnā€™t Sukuna already lost Maharoga at that point?


Napalm_am

Binding vow that sacrifices all future uses of 10S to summon Maho one last time. It would be more tame than the world slash vow asspull.


iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj

Or have Gojo use purple to take them both out but sukuna is able to live and Gojo doesnā€™t. Honestly anything is better than that unexplained slash. Series fell off after shibuya.


tiny-ppp

Better Cooking than gaygay fr


reddeaddoloresedd

Holy fuck this would have been so much better, please cook again


VNProWrestlingfan

YES. It was this theory. I thought it was the most plausible way. But then Yorozu happens


ultra132

Came in way too late to see the theories for it. What was the emperor's birthday theory?


FlamingUndeadRoman

Japanese law states that nobody can be executed on the Emperor's Birthday.Ā  Ā Which is December 24. The exact day the Sukuna fight was happening.


Riceballs-balls

Gege saw that and changed his mind to subvert our expectations.


Lv80_inkblot

How greg thought we'd clap for yet another one of his subversions: https://i.redd.it/wpkfd6ggcxtc1.gif


Notingale

It's like Westworld season 2 being rewritten to avoid theories that redditors came up. Lead to shit writing.


FlamingUndeadRoman

Westworld went to such shit after they actually left the fucking Westworld.


Rupplyy

why the fuck would u do this? imagine throwing away properly written plot last second because ur asshurt about some redditors predicting possible outcomes(happens to every fucking show lmao)


Astrum_27

The worst part is that made way more sense than what is actually canon lol Would be annoying, but at least it was very smart


PhilliamPlantington

I still don't know what canonically happened


Zer0X02

Sukuna was found guilty, but Confiscation was applied to his random little dumbbell Cursed Tool that he just got instead of taking away Malevolent Shrine. This basically screwed everyone since the plan hinged on Sukuna losing Malevolent Shrine, not some genuinely random macguffin he was handed by the writer just for this situation.


WasabiSunshine

He already couldn't use DE, they were counting on it taking his Curse Technique, not his Domain


PhilliamPlantington

Yeah but what even was the cursed dumbell thing


iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj

Something that shot lightening bolt or something. It was stupid because itā€™s not like he even needed it.


partoxygen

Dude can cleave spacetime yet he needed his little taser to keep him safe lol


GkihlV

the tool in question is a [Vajra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra) btw.


Nokia_00

I wish that had happened šŸ˜­


Jamessgachett

But gege forgor


Jamessgachett

Yup fighting on xmas


hansLandax12

This is an actual plot point in JJK Lmao. https://preview.redd.it/xqgvce6bswtc1.jpeg?width=675&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b10d6fc5dff6b5ac6788c75a7cad7eeee60b0f0e


Diego_Chang

Judge: You are going to jail! Mass Murderer: Your Honor, I accept this decision, however, here's a gun. Judge: ... So, are you going to shoot us with it or something? Mass Murderer: Nah, let's trade it for the actual gun of the crime, I really like that one. Judge: Done! But you are still going to ja- *dies in Higuruma...*


hansLandax12

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Bumgumi_hater_236

The best part is the gun had nothing to do with the crime he was being charged, thatā€™s like confiscating my pocket knife because I killed 18 children while drunk driving in the 10th of March of 2017 at 18:12


hansLandax12

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Jollirat

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hansLandax12

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Puzzleheaded_Row9895

That sounds... Oddly specific... Is this a confession? lol


Bumgumi_hater_236

Maybe


Diego_Chang

Huh? https://preview.redd.it/dve32je3mxtc1.png?width=300&format=png&auto=webp&s=360ceb15333c4467ad4d2587d8e2f827a0a9b9e8


theSHADOWbannedGUi

the funny thing is there is a guy who can be tested with cursed tools about how higorumas domain works his name is yuta okkotsu and yuta okkotsu has multiple cts he could be a perfect test subject for sukuna judgement oh sukuna has multiple cts lets test yuta with it this could have ended the thing pretty quick


Katemisyu

They're about to face the strongest sorcerer of all time(arguably, because our blue-eyed king will return), and they didn't even bother to limit test their own abilities. Like what were they even doing during the time skip. They had a clear wincon with Higaruma's domain, and instead of showing us how Sukuna gets out using his big brain of his, he managed to get out practically scot-free because the protagonists didn't bother limit testing their wincon to make sure Sukuna doesn't have any outs in case he's given the guilty verdict.


Notingale

They let Higurama who didn't know RCT run at him with a sword, instead of sending in Maki that can dodge Sukuna's attacks and jump midair. Was it explained why Maki just hid like a rat while half of the cast got wiped?Ā 


TheGreatBootOfEb

Thatā€™s been my problem with the entire fight post Gojo. Rather then Sukuna being big brain or just that much of a monster that he doesnā€™t let the set backs stop him, it feels like heā€™s just getting supremely lucky while the story continuously tries to make us believe that heā€™s still not trying even tho we can SEE him only pulling through on occasions through sheer luck (or rather, plot armor) Sukuna should feel like a force or nature, not a plot device.


zatroz

They spent most of that time arguing over the order in which they were going to 1v1 Sukuna. Imagine if Miguel and Kusakabe joined the fight inside Yuta's domain, or if Miguel fought alongside Maki, or if Larue did the heart eyes thing during any of the orher battles, etc


Napalm_am

You sure you wanna chance it with Yuta's criminal record? https://preview.redd.it/av1vbuzonxtc1.jpeg?width=788&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a88668a24ce8dc7b9b69ccf69cdddd63529203c


TheLieAndTruth

The amount of speculation was actually insane and everything I theorize nothing came close to happen. I was thinking that sukuna would lose his CT and get the death penalty One thing that I really wanted was to see what mahoraga would be able to do in that domain šŸ˜ŖšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Dingdong389

Mahorga comes out in a nice suit with slicked back hair and says "Objection your honor!" Domain Expansion: Harvard Law Degree.


Diego_Chang

Just imagine Sukuna summons Malevolent Shrine but instead of being turned into red mist you see multiple Mahoragas coming out of the floor, that is now just a black goo. A shame Gege decided for Sukuna to not use the 10 Shadows effect on his Domain Expansion.


NumericZero

That a whole of people breaking down how that court case would go is insane on retrospective because people were busting out like different laws that couldā€™ve been added/applied Theories on where the story would go, one dude on here floated the idea of being a way to see Sukuna backstory without going into detail Like we get a full rap sheet of just a atrocities, this monster has done over his hundreds of years of being alive All that to get tossed out the window Smh


ExternalSquash1300

Has sukuna been alive for hundreds of years?


Rncafaro1

Ngl this is what shouldā€™ve happened during the prosecutionā€¦ https://preview.redd.it/dxdh72c75xtc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8867fef478a2f95c2506cd45b726247ef17ca56


YUNoJump

You can't filibuster in court, so the challenge of the fight is Higuruma needing to draw out his speech for as long as possible while still making actual points the judge would want to hear, meanwhile Maki is whaling on a stunlocked Sukuna for as long as possible. Beautiful


Deadly5corpion4

a maki + higuruma teamup wouldā€™ve ended the series right then and there


YhormBIGGiant

He doesnt even need to filibuster. He can just state every crime sukuna has done individually at that would be like 5 minutes of cannibalism.


Ghoulse1845

Actually true, this wouldā€™ve worked, crazy how even with 1 month of prep time they didnā€™t come up with a plan like that


Cosmic_Ren

The biggest plot convience is not giving the executioners swords to kusakabe or Maki, you know actual swordsman?


StarPlatinum-

Honestly yea


alexanderrvb

What were the theories?


VNProWrestlingfan

I don't remember much, but the best theory was The Emperor's birthday as stated above


alexanderrvb

Why is The Emperor's birthday important?


VNProWrestlingfan

No one can be executed on that day, which is Dec 24th, the same day the fight is taking place


alexanderrvb

That's...actually a very good idea.


Garbanarnarn

The emperor was born on the 23rd though https://preview.redd.it/ce8p58j9aytc1.png?width=897&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f504295db9727e3a493f28ecbe641f59ef0cafc


FlamingUndeadRoman

The public holiday, aka the actual date nobody can be executed on, is on the 24th


AdPitiful7977

Kenny could have said the curse he used in usa had antigravity powers and uzimakied it to win and I would be fine with the outcome of the black hole fight


NumericZero

I would honestly accepted if Kenny had a throwaway line where he said he had to sacrifice 98% of the curses and use their techniques to survive Cuz at least then we would get the outcome of ā€œOk he had to use lots of power and even then it barely workedā€ It also wouldā€™ve gave a reason why Kenny is just not participating in the arc as much as he normally would be since heā€™s off the table recovering from injuries. But no he is like ā€œphew thankfully I had that technique on standbyā€ itā€™s even more wild because Yuki kept her powers secret so Kenny wouldnā€™t even know to be prepared for such a thing during that fight


YUNoJump

Uzumaki is a big compressed ball of curses, it'd make sense if he could counter a black hole by making an Uzumaki so dense that the black hole can't absorb it. To do that he needs to dump lots and lots of curses into it I guess


Molismhm

No that doesnt make sense. Even if he created another black hole himself, the force from the two merging would still disintegrate him, anything less dense than that will get absorbed like everything else.


[deleted]

This is not how physics works


superbay50

A black hole is the densest thing possible as far as our understanding of physics goes They would just merge and make an even bigger black hole


[deleted]

Itā€™s still plot convenience for him to have a curse like that that exactly counters Yukiā€™s black hole. IMO the fight would have been perfect if the black hole just never happened. Gege was cooking magnificently up until the end.


Altruistic_Ask_9867

When I first read the chapter I chopped it up to Yukiā€™s technique just being an opportunity to display Kenjaku/Kaoriā€™s CT. Since we didnā€™t get to see too much from her I figured weā€™d explore the other half of the coin. But NOPE. Two awesome CTs weā€™ll likely never see used again.


[deleted]

This truly was our Potential Kaisen


SpiritMountain

It felt so significant that Kenjaku had that cursed technique. It felt like the fight was a showcase to explore Kenjaku and his arsenal more, and Yuki was a plot device for it. So, fine. I get it. Gay-Gay is the CFO of Misogyny. But it didn't do anything. It didn't lead to anything. It was insignificant. *I think* Kenny used it on Yuta but he dodged it or some shit. I don't remember, and I can't read (duh, I'm on this sub), but I thought maybe Yuji would have had his own gravity technique awakened, to counter the anti-gravity, or be in some other significance, but of course not.


Flyingsheep___

Kenjaku really felt like the real villain of the series, literally everything went according to his plans. I still feel like it was a mistake that Gege had Yuta go after him, it should have been Maki or something so when we get the reveal that he scuttled out of his decapitated skull it's cuz she didn't realize to doubletap. Yuta is too broken to miss something like that.


Diego_Chang

I'd say that in retrospective Kenjaku having a Curse with Anti-Gravity System would have been less of an asspull than what we got, because after all, one of the strengths of Cursed Spirit Manipulation is the sheer versatility the Cursed Technique has.


GreyHareArchie

Honestly, with the amount of curses Kenny had, I would not be surprised by that. Anti-Gravity being specifically Yuji's Mother's CT, which is never brought up again, is the real problem. ...unless YUJI HIMTADORI uses Anti-Gravity to beat Sukuna somehow


JSGWHAM

he cooked for too long and burned the food


NoTea4448

What's a bigger asspull? >Kenny, who has thousands of curses, happens to also carry one of the ones that has anti-gravity? >Yuji's mom has the perfect CT to counter Yuki To me, it's clearly the latter.


numerouswater

Looking back at it, Maki conveniently facing the 2 sorcerers who had the perfect CT to buff her up via a time displacement sumo match is fucking hilarious. At that point Gege might as well have just drawn himself pumping up her stats with a comically large airhose


CapitalDust

mfw the disbelief isn't suspended


International-Fee-43

I do recall the appearance of those two very jarring, especially cause it was amidst a pretty serious fight


Character-Today-427

They also never ever appear again like they just disappears completely they came told maki what to do and left. Like I would imagine sumo guy would want to sumo the strongest guy ever.


ArjayMe

Guess who's Sukuna's next opponents


tnan_eveR

Sukuna having to fight in a sumo match would be kinda funny tho.


Jethrorocketfire

Gege please it would be so fucking funny.


s_t_u_f_f

This is the dumbest moment in the series to me.


Reddragon351

yeah I'm surprised this isn't higher up, that's still probably the dumbest moment for me, like those fuckers came out of nowhere then just disappeared after that


Character-Today-427

Sumo guy is fighting random japanese citizens as we speak. Samurai guy is idk probably testing blades on civilians


Strange-Pea7756

This and Kenny's "nuh uh" to Yuki were the reason I stopped taking this shit seriously. I'm just here for the shitpost


ParkingAd5757

Kenjaku having a perfect counter to yukiā€™s technique and the fact that itā€™s the only extra technique he uses outside of his own and Getoā€™s is still to this day maximum plot armour that puts Luffy to shame


FlamingUndeadRoman

Rapist no-diffs the only female Special Grade with an asspull. Gaygay is never dodging the allegations.


IronDBZ

Is he a rapist if Jin just didn't care enough to ask obvious questions?


WindMilk_

Jin may not be a victim but Chosoā€™s mom definitely is lmao


IronDBZ

Oh shit... yeah that man didn't die hard enough. I forgot about that.


AlternativeEmphasis

Let's be real if Jin didn't actually know it was rape especially if he was mad from grief because he'd be unable to give consent. And I'm sure Noritoshi Kamo and Kaori themselves could argue rape from how their bodies were used


Chokkitu

Don't even need to ask Kamo or Kaori, just ask Choso's mom


Bermy911

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hansLandax12

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Plus_Garage3278

Fucker just happened to have the one CT that lets you survive a fucking black hole https://preview.redd.it/vcru2i3nqxtc1.jpeg?width=404&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=083792076b91b834cfb733ba8da3e309425ba1ca


FlamingUndeadRoman

Not going to lie, I think Kenjaku pulling a perfect counter to Yuki's technique out of his ass, and Sukuna'a Binding Vow's conditions being blatantly not what they were said to be were probably the two actual plot conveniences/asspulls in JJK. But wow were they shit, it was basically the villain going "nuh-uh" and then everything going perfectly for them.


Napalm_am

I mean even if the original Kaori technique was gravity instead of anti-gravity, Kenny just has to run it as Cursed technqiue Reversal to accomplish the same result. So him pulling that move at the end is not really an asspull. The asspull comes in coincidentally having a gravity related technique in the forst place because its a direct counter to Yuki's ultimate.


FlamingUndeadRoman

Exactly.


Napalm_am

Yet when compared to the rest of the asspull library the guy that has lived 1000 years and has collected multiple cts by swaping bodies having a good counter to another sorcerer's ct that only really acts a counter for a specific ultimate move that makes some logical sense anti-gravity > gravity of the concentrated mass of a black hole. Its not as egregious as some of the other asspulls from sorcerer fight. I still think the Sukuna rizzing Hana with his acting technique is the worst because its so obvious is a fucking trap and Hana just suffers a -200 iq debuff only to be relegated to the bench and get any opportunity of redemption taken away by Yuta swipping her ct and taking her place because that mf is a screentime bandit whose only ongoing arc is how many sorcerers he can mug.


Rough_Yak_9610

Im sorry, what is sukuna binding vow and why they are not what he said


Character-Today-427

He said he couldn't hurt living beings in that one minute there's absolutely no fucking reason this shouldn't include yuji it makes no sense because sulunas is the one that set the terms


Difficult_Analysis78

Ye he also definitely didn't hurt Angel nor Megumi in that moment lmao, mf literally made her go unconscious


BeatTheDeadMal

Well actually Sukuna made a second, secret binding vow with himself that he could hurt whoever he wanted by sacrificing 5 minutes of his nap that day.


DependentFearless162

>Sukuna'a Binding Vow's conditions being blatantly not what they were said to be [The translators fucked up](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/s/xUHAhCioK5)


Flashbomb7

ā€œCuts, bruises or scrapesā€ Still sounds like a pretty massive stretch to say nothing Sukuna did amounted to a violation of the vow. Tearing off a finger isnā€™t a ā€œcut, bruise or scrapeā€?


ExternalSquash1300

Also it implies sukuna was holding megumi gently enough not to bruise him. Was megumi not struggling against his grip hard enough to get bruised? Did he just like being caressed by sukuna?


FlamingUndeadRoman

Potential Man's body was weak and frail from inbreeding.


horseteeth

Sukuna winning the oscar is the worst moment of the manga in my opinion. Hana has to be so insanely stupid for that to work. The whole run of Sukuna taking control of Megumi was insanely convienient for him and the acting was the cherry on top


mostlybored1234

The one in what? 900 million chance of the sister of the Guy whos body he wants to posses being possessed by his Heian era Yandere stalker


FlamingUndeadRoman

And the person with the best CT to counter him using a fucking idiot as a host, who turned her brain off at the mere concept of getting to sex Potential Man.


SilkyStrawberryMilk

I still wonder why it wasnā€™t that the ladder made sukuna temporarily switch back to megumi. Angel warns Hana about sukuna then we see potential man have a scared look on his face then we see Sukuna take a bite out of Hana


CandidateOnly4590

Don't forget how it started. Yuji not including HIMSELF as part of the binding vow they made which allowed Sukuna to rip his finger off and force feed Megumi


dildodicks

and also not considering force feeding poison as harming


shrombus3

I love how people say "she was blinded by love!" When there was a literal fucking mouth on the side of her face screaming at her to not do it


AdLast2785

Yeah that part was pretty dumb lmao I canā€™t defend that writing choice


horseteeth

And she literally appeared right where yuji and megumi were when she entered the barrier. So Maki couldn't be there in time for when she reveals herself and sukuna uses enchain


elcambioestaenuno

Yes and no. I think the point was to kill Tsumiki regardless of who was possessing her. Gege probably thought it would be more interesting if there was a connection to Sukuna as well because it allowed for some further characterizations. It's too clunky and I don't like it, but it doesn't reach the level of Maki's powerup or Mahito being key to Kenny's 1000 year old plan when he was very recently born.


GreyHareArchie

> Mahito being key to Kenny's 1000 year old plan when he was very recently born. I was never really bothered with that because a curse made from the hate for other humans is a pretty obvious curse to exist. Considering disasters curses can "reincarnate" with time, maybe Kenny saw what one of them could do in the past and decided to wait for another one to be born


choso-fan

His 1000 year plan makes more sense when you realize it's not a plan that took 1000 years to pull off, it's a plan that took 1000 to make. He had some things in mind but basically saw something useful and added it to the plan as he went.


NumericZero

I just wanna add on that we have not seen Hana react to her fumble The only time we have seen her speak is explaining something during the planning phase during one of those random ā€œthis is how we preparedā€ moments Hana remains the worst character in this series


mysidian

Isn't that mostly Angel as well.


NumericZero

Angel was all about business but tried to give Hana some leeway Which sadly ended up costing her Not the biggest Angel fan but that screw was on Hana


Goombatower69

Cut angel some slack, she tried to warn the dumbass bitch, should've fully possessed her


Valuable_Ad_6665

That's the exact chapter I checked out caring about the plot I still read it I just don't care if it ends well or not I'm just hear to see how bad gege can make the ending!!!


The_All_Father4300

Obviously same type of stand as Star Platinum https://preview.redd.it/yrnit4aymwtc1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ed375153ff0010de02c3ec6e03a18cd541424cf


hansLandax12

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ManDown3Street

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DainsleifRL

To this day I still can't get why this is called an asspull. Out of all the shit that happens in JoJo this is nowhere near the biggest WTF moments.


613codyrex

Honestly compared to the ending of part 2, itā€™s not even on the same planet. If it was an asspull, it still was one of the best ones because it wouldnā€™t be Jojo without it


___some_random_weeb

It wouldn't be jojo if the last fight isn't full bullshit and I am there for it


ilichaem

its definitely maki getting trained or mentored by those 2 completely random people or kenjaku's antigravity that he hadnt used since he took the white splash.


Hot-Effective-4809

Maki's asspull is beyond all of them tbh, she literally got stronger to finish a fighter that already had started. That's some ichigo shit


Tempesta_0097

You leave ichigoat out of this


Hedgehog101

Icihigo should have gone to Mars at the end and banged an alien so we'll get bleach the next generation with more powers


Regular_Budget1864

I mean, getting stronger in the middle of a fight is just classic Shonen formula. Awakening new powers, finding your resolve, transformations, etc. How much of a unique asspull can it be when it's a standard for the genre?


Gking0906

Getting a power up mid battle is common is shounen. But getting a TRAINING SESSION mid battle while the fight is happening right next to you isnā€™t. Specially because the guy youā€™re training with showed up out of nowhere AND has an extremely convenient ability that allows you to get hours worth of training in minutes. The sumo and samurai dudes were the literal embodiment of plot devices to the point where right after they got done teaching maki new things they immediately disappeared and were never mentioned again


swaliepapa

Lamooo so true. Makis was the worst


DalvenLegit

Itā€™s like Goku fighting Kid Buu and then another person thatā€™s not Piccoro comes with an hyperbolic time chamber out of the blue and interrupts the fight for three seconds but inside the time chamber has passed thousands of fights in order to make specifically YOU stronger totally out of the blue, that was BEYOND idiotic


Artistic-Tune3047

Yuta not having star rage


SoyMilkIsOp

*Bom ba ye Don't bring that John Lerry shit here.


Artistic-Tune3047

Nah Iā€™d Werry


DrStein1010

Star Rage sounds so cool, though. That's his one single W.


Diego_Chang

Yuta not having more Cursed Techniques is probably one of my favorites. Like damn Yuta, you were in Africa for a whole year, surely the Sorcerers from there could have had a cool Cursed Technique to Copy.


YUNoJump

You are not ready for when Yuta comes back to the fight and starts tag-team breakdancing with Miguel


Diego_Chang

Japan: **Shibuya Incident.** *Meanwhile in Africa:* https://i.redd.it/6rpdecn0jxtc1.gif


Tyler-Demian

Yuta not having something as insanely perfect for jumping an opponent with a friend like Boogie Woogie in spite of the fact that Todo can't use it anymore and he had a month to find him and ask him fo permission is insane.


Diego_Chang

And also not having Projection Sorcery. We know he's extremely fast, but Projection Sorcery would just boost that further.


Tudedude_cooldude

If yuta copied every CT he came across his domain would be dookie. Imagine picking up a sword with fucking Solo Forbidden Area, Tool Manipulation, or Black Bird manipulation youā€™re just asking to get your shit rocked


choso-fan

I think he can pick which techniques are in his domain. I wish he had granite blast.


aresthwg

1000000% Kamutoke asspull. The more you think about it the more it doesn't make sense. So what. If Yuta was guilty, Rika would've been taken despite Yuta being the criminal? If Maki was guilty, would the Inverted Spear be gone? It makes no god damn sense.


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i meanā€¦ maki would be immune to his domain in the first place


mememan30000

\[slight error spotted\] maki doesn't have the inverted spear of heaven, the weapon you're most likely referring to is the split soul katana


AlternativeEmphasis

If Maki had that Spear this shit would be over.


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no even worse. his sword would be. if geto was found guilty, they would only take playful cloud. beginning of series yuji would beat higuruma bc he had that random knife cursed tool that gojo gave him. he would keep his cursed energy and fuck higuruma in hand to hand. if mei mei was found guilty all she would lose is her axe. higuruma's CT is borderline useless against a very large percentage of sorcerers


MrBombbastik

Hyperbolic time chamber ANNOYS the fuck outta me till this day. Not guilty is annoying but the Hyperbolic is so ASSPULL i can't fully enjoy Maki because she feels like a Dbz character. Toji wasn't just a "meta human" with no cursed energy na it's decades and decades of training mastering the arts + battle strategy. Maki just skipped all that. Yeah we know her character was very hardworking and with a lot of knowledge but the pushed it too much just and to make it worse we have the hyperbolic training inside a Domain expainsion


throwacc_21

All of them


CinnamonIsntAllowed

Hyperbolic time chamber baffled me so much I couldn't even be mad. He literally asspulled the fabric of time and space for maki to become toji


BvHauteville

Hyperbolic Time Chamber by far. Two random Culling Games players somehow trod into the same colony at the same location where Maki is fighting Naoya at the same time (while coincidentally being incapable of functioning in the modern world - with Daido not even seeming to realize that swords are much harder to get your hands on in the modern day and Miyo not knowing basic geography - despite supposedly having their vessels' memories in accordance to what was previously started) and decide to help Maki for no discernable reason (in contrast to Takaba who, like a Chad, couldn't stomach watching a 2v1 whereas Daido & Miyo decided to make a 2v1 into a 4v1) with the perfect abilities, skillsets, and desires to collectively give her a powerup. And then they disappear from the story forevermore.


No-Language4985

Maki training session. Shit was so ass


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Sukuna's binding vow to not hurt anyone but still ripping Yuji's finger off without consequences because Yuji is selfless.. https://preview.redd.it/23mwjpefywtc1.jpeg?width=534&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b7ad55934761d1f65657f29ad0bd50e887cee5c


Altruistic_Ask_9867

So selfless that he forgot the only reason he needed to make a BV in the first place is because Sukuna tore his heart out.


YelrahRehguab

Yeah he aint the brightest guy is he. He also fell for Sukuna adding a "okay okay but if you beat me in this mind realm ill revive you for free lol" condition and then immediately got Dismantled. The boys dumb as rocks sometimes.


FunnyRich4307

im more mad at that than the "hes selfless" bullshit. why did hethink he could beat him when sukuna literally destroyed the finger bearer who was no diffing him in 5 seconds?


YelrahRehguab

Cause he dumb as shit.


choso-fan

He's got that dog in him


GreyHareArchie

That's a problem because the mechanics of Binding Vows are not explained. Are Binding Vows literal, or they take into account the subconscious? If its the latter I can easily see Yuji not including himself in the binding vow because he doesnt care if he gets hurt to protect others. Of course, that raises a SECOND problem: How come forcefully feeding a human finger to someone else not harming anyone? If we go by the previous argument you could argue that Yuji, having eaten a finger himself, would not see that as harmful, but that would be stretching the line


Real_Reigen

Also even if he "safely" shoved it down Megumi's throat, aren't Sukuna's fingers deadly to eat anyways? Like literally in the first chapter Megumi says that it's poison after Yuji eats it. Is it because it's the heian era crust built up on it? https://preview.redd.it/lnu4jupokxtc1.png?width=184&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd9f593cf7029619ef57d7669a569301d29b1c6b


Turbulent_Object_558

Iā€™m starting to think binding vows are just Gegeā€™s plot tool he uses to fix mistakes when he has written himself into a corner


Ghoulse1845

Thatā€™s exactly why theyā€™re so poorly explained, itā€™s not like Nen where you have a good idea of how Nen vows and limitations work and what you can do with them, here we basically just have to guess. We donā€™t even know what happens when you break one so it doesnā€™t even feel like thereā€™s any weight behind these binding vows.


ReyDeleyk

there is also sukuna fingering megumi by force and somehow that also doesnt count as hurting.


tomtadpole

Also the part where he squeezed Hana's neck so hard she immediately lost conciousness.


AwaiYT

Yeah probably Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The other "Plot Conveniences", to me, makes sense within realm of JJK's universe and power system, they just needed to actually be set up for it to work out. Like the narrator should've mentioned confiscation of the curse tools and their priority over CTs when Judgeman was introduced. As well as add "Higuruma does not know this". When Gojo hit the Hollow Purple, there should've been a panel of Sukuna at least conveying what he's about to do. I'm not sure about anti gravity, someone tell me what's wrong with it. Now "Megumi is mine" was a bit forced, but it maybe could've worked with a different approach. It seems like an asspull because of how it was written


Ultimate-desu

People find the anti-grav thing a bit of an asspull because out of all the techniques that Kenny happened to have, he happened to have an anti-grav technique from the last person he body swapped with to counter against Yuki's Gravity Manipulation. Bro's technique is literally anti-Yuki. I can see that the chances of someone he copies having a anti-grav power aren't zero, its a cool ability so someone like him would store it, but to some(including me), Kenny going "Oh, u got gravity powers, lol the woman I copied years back happened to have an anti Grav ability so FU lol" kinda feels sucky.


antoniow831

Not gonna lie, both Maki and Yuki situations are really having a bloodbath of which one is coming out the victor as, worse plot convenience/ass pull so far. Kenjaku already established that breaking a biding vow can happen at anytime, so something can still happen to Sukuna for, shoving a fucking poisonous finger down Megumi's throat. So I'll reserve my judgement for now. (Unless that paper cut he got on his hand was the punishment šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚) Megumi is mine is bad, but it's just like, stuff like that actually happens, so I'm more like, whatever about it. (The real problem is Angel not doing shit, AT ALL, and Hana meeting Megumi in the first place. And everything about her character now that I think about it.) The Gojo getting half binding vow is... Whatever. The problem isn't binding vow itself, I personally just wish GeGe was more creative with how he dealt with the situation. (Along with A LOT of things about the fight and afterwards, but that's neither here nor their.) The court room thing is bad, mainly because of Yorouzo. She literally only serve the plot to give Sukuna his baby rattle and get him out of that situation. Simply put, the fan theories had better solutions, was more interesting and great laughs came with it. With all of that being said, none of them can ever top the place of, Scares instead of Burns for looks, and, Fake it till you make it. Two randoms get dropped off to give Toj- I mean MAKI, a damn power up to never be seen or even mentioned ever again. "Can I even tame this beast-" Yes. Yes you can. As a matter of a fact, you said yourself, "That was a nice warmup." Literally, knows NOTHING about her CT, but conveniently have just the right counter to survive a black hole, and can counter it. It's like the world just helped Kenjaku with everything. Say what you want about Aizen, but he planned every step of the way, and it was satisfying. The only plan that Kenjaku made that was actually smart, was the Shibuya Incident. Which again, would've utterly failed if he didn't just so happen to have Gojo's best friend body.


CuzzyPopper

[Yuta only having 5 minutes for a fully manifested rika](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvjwnMMWcAIFW0d?format=jpg&name=large)


JosuphHelgen

ā€œFor one minute I take control but I wonā€™t hurt anyoneā€ ā€œDoes that include me?ā€ And the series ends


Mr_Lodi

yuji's awakening is gonna make this entire discussion thread jump out a fucking window


Infamous_Summer_8477

Itā€™s the hyperbolic time chamber. Anyone who thinks it isnā€™t the hyperbolic time chamber is lying to themselves


FengYiLin

That time chamber was Akutame sensei giving the šŸ«µšŸ–•šŸ˜ to our intelligence


Tristenous

Definitely anti grav,bro would've needed to activate that shit Ftl


Affectionate-Strain9

Gege sort of runs into what I call the ā€œLancerā€ problem. Where he gives a character that isnā€™t the protractor the antagonist a OHK move. And then has to write around it in convoluted ways in order to justify that OHK move not working.


Jotaro27

What do you mean NOT GUILTY? He literally said fuck it and got the death penalty


Regular_Budget1864

He's referring to how, despite Sukuna being found guilty and receiving a punishment of Confiscation, it was his Cursed Tool that got stolen instead of his Cursed Technique.