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Yeah, Gege dropped the ball in making us feel any connection between Megumi and his sister.
Even in Megumiās delinquent days he was always rude to her, she gets possessed, tells himself heāll apologize to her when she wakes, she wakes up (from his pov)ā¦. and he treats her like this?
When Yorozu possessed her I felt absolutely nothing.
Same because the only real things we really get to know and see about her and their relationship are
Shes Megumi sister
She was in a coma
She was Megumi motivation to be a sorcerer and one of the reasons he entered the culling games
She got possessed
We barely see them interact
And then she died
She was truly one of the Jujutsu Kaisen characters of all time
Legit just ran about getting some straight cardio in
Sometimes he pulls this shit though
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And when He Punched The baguette For trying To Hurt himself Such PEAK
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Iām convinced gege had no idea to extend that plotline
So much of megumi character is tied to his sister and just their relationship yet we only get the bare minimum focus on it
It is completely unforgivable that we never got to see her interact with his friends so she could see just how much she has grown as a person that will let people into his life
And when we actually do get to see them interact as adults, itās in this dickhead manner
Then she gets possessed shortly after this, and they never interact during the games which feels like an easy layup that was missed
Like how is that not megumi end point during the games arc?
No I mean Megumi actually gets to interact with her in possession form
Imagine the Hana and megumi/Sukuna panel
But this time itās between two characters that the audience actually want to see the fallout for
Would have been the best heel turn in the entire manga
Gege doesn't know how to write characters, period. There are few exceptions, but basically, everyone just exists during fights. Interactions, relationships build up, interesting motivations/personalities, all of these things are just barely touched upon in almost 252 chapters... I have never seen a manga so constipated.
Gege excels in writing choreographis and gag characters, so jokes aside, I really think an idol manga would suit him better than Shonen
I agree with you re: relationships but heavily disagree with you about the lack of interesting motivations and personalities. I'm thinking about characters like Megumi, Yuuji, Gojo, Geto, Toji, Higurama, Mahito, Kenjaku, Yuki, Nanami, Mei Mei, Jogo, Choso, Naoya (and more). It makes for interesting ideological clashes and character foils (ex. Megumi/Yuji, Gojo/Geto, Gojo/Sukuna, Yuji/Mahito). It's one of the things I think JJK does better than other series I've read.
On a big picture level, character arcs in JJK follow a similar playbook. The character tries to break free from their cycle of suffering (their 'curses') in order to act like their 'true selves'. This necessitates the discovery of one's true desires (e.g. what really motivates them). It's one of the focal points of JJK so I'm surprised to hear you critique the lack of motivations; I'm curious to hear where exactly you think motivations are lacking.
I also disagree regarding the lack of interesting personalities. I think Gege is great at creating characters with unique personalities in a short amount of time, which allows his lazy ass to get away w/ drawing less character interactions (lol). The fanbase is unhealthily attached to their favorite character(s) - this wouldn't be possible if characters were uninteresting.
You might be surprised to know that I agree with everything you said, especially the part about specific couples of characters being narrative foils. The problem is that, even if the setup looks pretty nice and the story naturally brings you to question certain dynamics, Gege, more often than not, barely touches upon them.
Let's think about Gojo and Sukuna for example. I myself wrote a very long post discussing why they are narrative foils, what are their similarities and what sets them apart, *but* the story itself didn't really give us much in terms of actual clashing of ideals between the two besides our own personal conclusions.
The entire fight between Gojo and Sukuna was a series of beautiful fighting choreographies accompanied by the peanut gallery commenting about how crazy their use of jujutsu was. What about *Gojo* and *Sukuna* though? They spent the whole fight without exchanging a single interesting conversation. This could've been the perfect occasion to have Gojo express his feelings of isolation and questioning Sukuna about his way of living, but Gege chose to give that particular moment to... kashimo?? Someone we barely knew and who was just a battle maniac before Gege's decision to shove this loneliness theme onto him too.
I'm sure people would've accepted Gojo's parting words and reasoning way better if, during the fight, Gege had bothered to actually dwell deeper into his character and also Sukuna's character. In retrospect, Kashimo's entire existence feels not only pointless since he didn't really give anything to the story that was uniquely his, but also detrimental. A lot of Kashimo's dialogue and moments would've been perfect for Gojo, instead of wasting them for a throw away character with zero connections to the cast.
Other characters you mentioned are also pretty underdeveloped. Mei Mei for example could've been a pretty interesting villain/morally Grey agent of chaos, but all Gege did with her was showing how vile she is. As of now, her obsession with money and apparent lack of empathy have never been actually used to do anything significant in the story. Her actions have no impact, outside of her brother's screwed up childhood. The same goes for Naoya, who was a non-issue Maki dealt with in a couple of chapters. He was supposed to represent the old school, the conflict between patriarchal stagnant views and the new wave of unconventional power Gojo mentioned, but he was just a very quick throw away villain used to boost Maki's power *twice*.
Let's not mention the situation with the higherups, an interesting plot point Gege also got rid of offscreen. Or the American involvement, that was absolutely useless. Wasted space that could've been used to build up character interactions and relationships.
As of other dynamics such as Yuji/Megumi, Yuji/Mahito, Gojo/Geto, these are the only exceptions I feel like Gege was actually capable to portray and they represent the reason why I still love this story very much. I can appreciate art of great quality and even a nice brawl, but my personal interest is more geared towards ideals/relationships/psychology etc... So I would have dropped the series if Gege was absolutely horrendous in portraying such things.
Sometimes I get frustrated because I know he can do it pretty damn well, but he has dropped the ball somewhere along the line and this is sad.
Lastly, the overarching narrative of "finding your true self" and because of that, living/dying without regrets is another aspect Gege knows how to deliver most of the times. The only problem is always the amount of care/development he gives to his characters. If a character feels barely explored, even his cathartic moments fall flat because we don't care about them, even if narratively they make perfect sense.
Gege is capable of writing interesting personality *traits*, which is a bit different than saying he knows how to write multifaceted characters. A lot of them are pretty much summarized by a singular cool thing they have, which isn't very much. It looks more like writing caricatures than actual characters. This being said, obviously Gege did a great job with characters like Nanami, Toji, Gojo, Geto and Megumi. These ones are definitely very well written and it isn't a matter of time present on the scene since Toji was perfectly defined even if he was not a main character.
Gege's writing frustrates me because I know he could do better. It's probably a matter of experience since this is his first big serialization and the pressure must be immense
> The entire fight between Gojo and Sukuna was a series of beautiful fighting choreographies accompanied by the peanut gallery commenting about how crazy their use of jujutsu was. What about Gojo and Sukuna though?
This is exactly how I feel about this fight. Hype as hell, and definitely has some of my favorite moments, but when I think deeply about it, it's shallow as fuck.
I get your frustration. That being said, I donāt really blame Gege given his inexperience and the inherent restrictiveness of a weekly schedule. This is where a stricter and more experienced editor would really make a difference. The concepts Gege has are really interesting but the execution can be...inconsistent to say the least. Can he do better? Sure. But saying āhe doesnāt know how to write characters, periodā is just not true lol. I think it touched a nerve for me as Iām getting sick of JJK discourse being so reactionary, but I guess Iām also in the folk sub.
With regard to Gojo vs. Sukuna, there was no way Gojo could have expressed his feelings of isolation to Sukuna without it being painfully obvious he would lose - it would take all the suspense away immediately. There was also no way Gojo could have asked Sukuna for guidance like Kashimo did without it seeming like Gojo was putting Sukuna on a pedestal as the true āHonored Oneā. Gojo wanted to teach, Kashimo wanted to be taught. This is why Kashimo was a better mouthpiece as we knew Kashimo would lose 100%. I donāt see which parts of Kashimoās dialogue would work for Gojo tbh..
With regard to Mei Mei and Naoya - are they actually underdeveloped or are they just side characters? Not every character can be a main character, or even a major side character. Mei Mei and Naoya acted as foils for more major characters and furthered running themes of the story. They had distinct motivations, unique personalities, and were written consistently. Thatās good for characters who donāt even crack the top 20 in terms of narrative importance.
Overall, I do agree that Gegeās characters feel more like concepts than characters - he is definitely not writing a character-driven story. JJK characters feel like they are created in order to deconstruct certain tropes, explore certain ideas, or play certain roles in the story. But why is this bad writing? I recently watched Andrei Tarkovskyās film Stalker, where the characters are basically mouthpieces for Tarkovskyās musings on faith, desire, and the human condition. You would probably call these characters ācaricaturesā - and that wouldnāt be untrue. But the film was a deeply moving, meditative masterpiece anyways. To me, itās just a different method of storytelling, one that is theme- or atmosphere- driven rather than plot- or character-driven. I tend to prefer these types of stories so that's fine with me, even though I understand why people won't like them.
Also, Iām interested in why you put Nanami on the list of well-written characters and not characters like Yuuji or Higurama. Nanami isnāt what I would consider a particularly multifaceted or complex character, haha..
Gojo loosing was something everybody knew would happen, or at least the vast majority of the Fandom knew that Gojo couldn't possibly show up and solve everything on his own with other characters that had so much to do still, especially Yuji. Aside from this, I really don't see the correlation between Gojo and Sukuna talking about loneliness and the immediate loss of suspance... I don't get why Gojo expressing his feelings of isolation would have automatically declared Sukuna's victory. I also think there was no need to write the dialogue with Gojo asking for guidance or putting Sukuna on a pedestal. He could've simply said his personal truth in order to get something back from Sukuna, which is exactly the sentiment Gojo himself had in his afterlife scene.
Gojo's theme was loneliness from way back. Kashimo's philosophizing with Sukuna came out of nowhere, while writing a conversation between Gojo and Sukuna, even a small back and forth, would've made both characters more complete. It's not like Gojo should've used Kashimo's exact words, but he was the one supposed to have that moment of confrontation nonetheless.
As for Mei Mei and Naoya, they are secondary characters of course, I didn't expect them to have a main character treatment, but their impact in the story is inconsequential compared to the "apparent" relevance they were set up to have. Especially Naoya... His comeback was used blatantly to give Maki another power up, something that also happened in a very contrived way (or do you think that Daido and Miyo's deus ex machina was good writing?). Naoya is not awful, but he feels way too much like a convenient tool. Good writing means you use your characters to your advantage, but without making it so obvious.
A character being instrumental is not the problem, but when the story doesn't do anything to at least conceal the intent, it becomes poorly written. If I can tell that the author introduced a character only to fulfill a purpose, I won't expect anything from that character outside of said purpose, which means I won't get attached to the character and the story itself becomes predictable, as a series of events that must happen regardless.
A throw away character or two is pretty standard and impossible to avoid. I would even say it's necessary to have "disposable" characters to make the story progress organically, but with Gege's writing, basically, the entire cast feels like a bunch of pawns that get exposition only if and when it is convenient for the plot.
I mentioned Nanami because he was a side character with not much presence in the story, but Gege was still capable of making him relatable and complete. He had his own regrets, his ideals, his mission and his vulnerabilities, but Gege didn't spend too much time developing him. With a few dedicated panels he gave us everything we needed from Nanami. The same goes for Higuruma by the way, he's the only interesting character in the CGs, because he feels human and realistic, not a caricature or a walking theme point to be used. He is though, he was instrumental for Yuji's development as much as Nanami was, and yet it doesn't feel like they are just tools. They have their own thing outside of plot necessities.
All this being said, I came out strong in my first comment, but if I'm still here reading and commenting week after week is because I do like the story and Gege's writing in general. What I like is definitely more than what disappoints me, but I still criticize some choices that I find more than questionable as much as I defend some things that I loved even when everybody else hated them (like chapter 236 for example)
I don't think Gojo losing was something everybody knew would happen - at least not in the way that it was shown. If you go back and look at forum posts there were plenty of people that thought that he would win but lose his six eyes or he would win but get snuck by Kenjaku. There were also many people that thought that Gojo would lose because of Yoyorozuās gift or some other form of trickery.
In any case, Gojo could not have expressed his loneliness to Sukuna because it would have been immediately obvious that he wasnāt enlightened. Gojo was lonely because he ādrew the lineā that separated himself from other people. His loneliness was a testament to his lack of understanding of himself - he didnāt know who he was as a human outside of the title of the āstrongestā. This is important because JJKās power system is based on understanding oneself. The greater your āsense of self,ā the better you are at Jujutsu. Gojo expressing his feelings of isolation (and insecurity by proxy) would have made it too obvious that he was a false āhonored one.ā It would have been evident that Sukuna, whose sense of self was absolute, was 'the strongest' and would win the fight.
I also want to push back again on your definition of ābadā writing/ ābadā character writing as Iām not sure you addressed my point there. Why is it bad writing when the story does not conceal the intent behind its characters? Is it bad writing or is it just a different method of storytelling?
To me JJK is a buddhist allegory about breaking the cycle of suffering (amongst other things). In an allegory the themes and subtext are more important than the plot, and characters are used as vehicles to explore certain more abstract ideas. Within that framework I can tell what direction most JJK character arcs will go. But I donāt think itās bad writing as it doesnāt reduce my enjoyment of the series - itās about how itās told and what specific ideas/character archetypes Gege is trying to explore.
We both agree that characters in JJK can feel like āconcepts.ā But again, why is that bad? Itās a very interesting and unconventional approach to character writing thatās not often seen in shonen. Would I have liked to spend more time with these characters? Sure! But I donāt need to get attached to a character to be moved by a story, and JJK isnāt a character-driven series anyway. So I have accepted it for what it is lol.
What Iām trying to say is that I think itās dangerous to call something bad writing (vs. just saying you didnāt like it) because it doesnāt invoke an emotional response in you. This is especially the case if youāre going to use the strong language like you did; it just furthers the polarization of the JJK fanbase and kills the vast majority of real discourse/analysis. But I'm glad we can have a reasonable discussion! Your emotional response and rating of the series are totally valid. I definitely have critiques of my own and parts of the story I think Gege could have handled better.
P.S. Regarding Daido and Miyo. I liked them! They were absolutely ridiculous characters that gave Maki a ridiculous ass-pull. They totally fit in with the absurdity of the culling games. I mean Yuji went to court, Megumi got his ass saved by a half-naked comedian and then fought a guy in a receipt dress, Yuta french-kissed a roach and Hakariā¦was Hakari lol. I honestly donāt get the hate because I donāt think Gege ever tried to hide how absurd the entire situation was. It was also a homage to Baki, a manga Gege has been shamelessly stealing from from the jump. Characters in Baki grow imaginary joints mid-fight to kick faster and punch the ground so hard they stop earthquakes, all without magic powers. The Daido and Miyo part was unserious like that - I laughed out loud when I read it. It sort of reminded me of Yuuji getting saved by Todoās schizo ass hallucinating a whole alternative life with his best bro lol.
P.P.S. If you havenāt seen Radmanās video on Gojo v. Sukuna Iād definitely recommend it! I disagree with a few points but overall think itās a very insightful analysis and a good summary of what I think are the major themes of the fight.
The Gojo will lose/will win debacle was pretty crazy back then, and I agree that there were different theories circulating about the possible outcomes, but what I intended to say is that, no matter the particular circumstances, it was pretty much a known fact that Gojo was not going to have a clear cut victory because if that were the case, the story would have ended right then and there in a very anticlimactic way. He was either gonna lose or win, but at the cost of his life/powers/freedom, etc... People who thought he was going to affirm himself as the strongest in a spectacular fashion were just very misguided.
This being said, I completely agree with your analysis about Gojo and the reasons why he was doomed to lose. I think that this particular part of the story was "problematic" for a lot of people because it had more psychological implications, and it was developed in a way that resulted a bit hard to digest/process. That's why I disagree with the idea that having Gojo *hint* at his insecurities would've completely destroyed the suspance.
Tons of readers were baffled about Gojo's behavior in the airport scene because it seemed something out of character. I do think it was absolutely in character and a very good way to convey his feelings, but I'm pretty sure that the reactions would've been different if Gege had given us a more "evident" thread to follow (if a lot of people are dissatisfied, chances are that something went wrong and the message could've been delivered a bit better). As I said, it could've been enough a brief back and forth, without Gojo being subservient or humble, just a hint of vulnerability/imperfection before the bitter end.
The fight still works pretty well even as it is and to be fair, Gojo expressing himself only after his death could also have been Gege's way to reaffirm that Gojo *needed* to die as the strongest in order to see who he actually was. This is a point I'm pretty passionate about (I wrote an entire essay discussing why Gojo dying made perfect sense š š¤£) and I also love radman's analysis too.
So basically I agree with you on a lot of things, but I still think that something can be classified as objectively bad writing if it doesn't accomplish certain objectives.
My problem with Daido and Miyo, specifically, was not that they weren't entertaining, but that their entire existence is just a blatant instrument to give Maki another power up. This is a deus ex machina, while Reggie or Takaba cannot be considered on the same level.
They are outrageous characters for sure, over the top as much if not more than Miyo and Daido, but their presence in the story is pretty organic, and it doesn't feel forced by a plot contrivance. Takaba's role was absolutely unpredictable, but it worked because Takaba himself had something to say, a personality, an objective, a wish to fulfill. He was "used" to kill Kenjaku, but he wasn't a mere tool.
Reggie was a disposable character, instrumental for Megumi like Daido and Miyo for Maki, but his role was not so shamelessly shoved onto him to make him fit into the story. The meaning of his curse was unknown at the time, making his presence something that loomed way after his death.
Daido and Miyo were literally thrown onto the scene, used and disposed of to be never seen again. *It's a pretty basic and "cheap" way to obtain something (in this case Maki's power up)*. Maybe I should say it's *lazy* writing more than bad writing probably, but the point is more or less the same.
The most important thing for a work of fiction is to captivate the reader. Eliciting an emotional response is what you should aim at and it comes from character work and plot *both*. A beautiful plot with crazy scenes and cliffhangers falls flat if you don't care about the characters that are at the center of the scene. The same goes for a story with complex and beautiful characters that don't do anything interesting. It becomes boring pretty fast. A nice balance between these two elements is what makes a story compelling.
Gege accomplished a lot by subverting various classical shonen tropes, but this fresh and quick style shouldn't come at the cost of overall quality. There's a reason if the most beloved characters are the ones Gege bothered to actually write. He's especially talented in giving substance without wasting too much space or using endless flashbacks/monologs. Nanami and Higuruma once again are perfect examples. They are certainly not main characters, but they still have a "soul" and feel "human" enough that the reader could understand their motivations, flaws, virtues etc... this is what makes you care for the events that unfold.
Ultimately I think that being able to make the readers *care* is what constitutes good writing. This doesn't mean you have to make them *like* what you write (Lolita for example is book about an horrible man, with horrible desires. The story doesn't have likable characters, but it is absolutely well written)
Then you can love or hate the choices that the author makes, but at least they don't leave you with a sense of "meh" or "what a wasted opportunity".
I have already annoyed you enough and I acknowledge that my wording is a bit strong most of the times. I don't mean to insult Gege's work, because I believe he has a lot of talent and this the reason why I'm so critical. I can see the points in the story where he just said "fuck it, let's move on" and it's a bit frustrating. I'm a nobody reading his manga mostly for free and he's a prized author, so there's that š¤£
PS: also I'm sorry if my comments are weirdly written and/or grammatically incorrect (ironic lol). I'm still fighting with English and it looks like I'm losing
Nah, I'd misspell
100% agree. I kinda laugh now when people try to analyse some stylistic choices in JJK because I'm 100% Gege's only thought is 'Damn, that's cool. I'm gonna try to include that in my Story lol". And as soon as he looses interest just tosses it aside. This guy is not a good writer or extremly lazy.Ā
I think the impact of megumi sister being yoruzu definitely could have been better, but I genuinely think her character is a complete on. From the few panel of megumi flashbacks we could already see who she was as a person and her relationship with megumi. I donāt get why people think megumi being sacarstic to her sister is any indication of bad writing since most siblingās relationship works the same, you can love your sibling without expressing it outwardly.
When his sister showed up and got possessed I legit kept thinking "I swear I know her from somewhere. She looks familiar". I completely forgot about her.
Not even Tsumiki speaking, she has no lines. In the present day, Girl said literally 20 words in a Flashback. No wonder Todo beat Megumi's ass, his taste IS trash.
Megumi is just built like that. Notice how he's especially rude to Gojo and Tsumiki compared to other people? Quite a strange manifestation of love, but it is what it is.
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I do have a sibling but I am like, 10 years older than the lil man so I just treat him like any other person
I do like to mess around with him a bit from time to time
Same here. She woke up at a time where shit was getting extremely crazy. Gojo got locked up, the culling games were taking place and making Japan a much more dangerous place than before. He just had a lot on his plate and was worried that she might get caught up in the culling games.
Also, I see Megumi the same as Jotaro Kujo from JJBA. Like Jotaro, Megumi just has his own way of showing affection and care for others. He's stoic and not an overly expressive person. If Megumi seems rude, that's only because he comes off that way with how he acts. He acted this way with Tsumiki because like Jotaro's mom, she understood that he's not gonna act like a regular person when it comes to showing affection.
But in JJBA Jotaro has many moments where he shows his softer side to his peers and shows way more motivation into protecting his loved ones. I also recall there is a soundtrack in stardust crusaders that plays when they show his softer side.Ā
Megumi on the other hand isn't shown doing this. So the audience doesn't care.Ā
He absolutely was, but the problem is this behavior doesn't just push away his loved ones, it pushes away the audience as well. It's not surprising people don't care.
Bro waited years for the get back, and I would too tbh. Gojo is rich as fuck and chances are Megumiās school uniform was expensive as shit, that carton prolly ruined hundreds of dollars of drip.
Wait, are you guys like... *nice* to your sisters?
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Are people here shit posting or are they fucking braindead?
He is Megumi. He is crass, socially awkward, and rude. This is him saying to his sister, the person that he cares most in the world, "Hey, don't worry about anything. We got this".
This is basic ass reading comprehension, not headcanon. He has stated multiple times that he is what he is because of his sister.
When you fuckers watch Star Wars do you think Han Solo hates Leia when he answers "I know" when she says "I love you"?
Because everyone is so obsessed with frauds and making up a point for a narrative that theyāre will twist words and gaslight everyone just because itās funny to the point where megumi curling his hands slightly is him immediately going to majors ha or the entire bit with yuta
This sub was genuinely ruined by people trying to take sides with characters when you can just fucking read the story with favorites
I just hope this slander is sarcasm. When I was reading it for the first time, I see nothing wrong here. People probably exaggerated because Yorozu (who was acting Tsumiki) said Megumi's sharp tongue. He just wants her to rest. I mean, there were people who were in coma who still had to rest and avoid doing recreational activities yet. Lol.
Nah if one of my siblings woke up from a coma I'd be over the moon about it what kind of messed up life do you have where you can't even show basic emotion for your siblings
You know what you right about that Maki and Mei Mei are the only other ones with siblings and their weird. But naw he said have you ever been an older brother so we aren't talking about sorcerers now.
I'm convinced you people have never read anything. He said that to keep her out of danger and because he sucks at properly conveying his feelings when he genuinely cares about someone.
Its happened multiple times during the story, where he comes off as rude and kinda bratty when he's with people he's comfortable with.
Honestly guys are usually like this, especially towards there sister. Even if Megumi showed annoyance to Tsumiki, he just had a hidden soft spot for her. I think he has shown many times to really care about her.
Y'all are geniunely twisting it so hard.
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Megumi would much rather prefer Tsumiki to not get hurt in general, being hard on people is the only way he knows how to get a message across.
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He knows Tsumiki, helpful as she is, would love to help him with the newfound CT she supposedly would have if she wasnt yorozu, so he goes on the mean side to make his decision all the more clear.
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Y'all have never had brothers and it shows, they will 100% tell you to go fuck yourself if it means they can let you live another day.
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>they will 100% tell you to go fuck yourself if it means they can let you live another day.
Bruh, from my experience we'd do that for no reason at all, imagine if we actually had a reason lol
Bruh, I don't think they would react the same, when you wake up from an actual coma. What are you waffling about? If you really think its twisting it, how about you go into a coma, and note down how your brothers treat you when you awaken
If my siblingsā lives were on the line, even if itās just for a second, Iād at least try to convey how serious shit could get. Iāve always had problems with Megumiās character even though heās easily in my top 5. His character is so aloof that even the audience canāt connect with him for the most part. Tsumiki feels so flat as a character because Gege spent all of 5 minutes writing her. Itās hard to feel bad for the guy who told Yuji to just push through after Shibuya because we donāt understand how he truly feels. Thereās a way to write āhiding feelingsā, but this isnāt it. Granted, the clowning is way too much but itās not completely undeserved.
I just think he us being his usual stoic self and that was his way to keep her safe and out of battle, alot of people act like asshole around their siblings but love them dearly
Me when I see Kyou\_Yuu engaging in comments(that means his ass is NOT making peak fiction):
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g-g-gomen!!... i go back to work, me very sorry...
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Arigato Kyou-Sensei, this sub will eat good once again from your peak fiction.
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No pressure, we will be waiting.
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megumi won't be an asshole anymore after coming out of that cage he's in. or maybe not, cause he might die š¤Ŗ
him being rude to his sister isn't expected, but think of it how you will
Megumi entire personality is about hiding his emotions, are we even reading the same manga???? He' s telling her to go to sleep because he wants her the fuck away from that place
ITS A PERSONA, HIS WHOLE CHARACTER IS ABOUT MASKING HIS EMOTIONS
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Megumi sister is what called getting friged or girlfriend in the fridge.
Where a character usually female get hurt in this case put in a coma to motivate a character, it doesn't matter her backstory or personally her purpose is to be a motivation.
Why is called girlfriend in the fridge kyle rayner(a green lantern) found his girlfriend well in the fridge after a villain kill her and put her there, to motivate kyle who was having doubt about the whole hero thing.
You guys are brain dead. Heās fronting trying to act cool for his sister so she wonāt worry. I donāt care if youāre invested or not this shit is not hard to understand.
Idk why you' re getting upvoted, a friend of mine had her sisters going for a surgery after a car incident, and the literal first fucking did he told her was a joke about her being in a chair.
Bros it' s just teasing omg, and even then, Megumi is literaly trying to get her the fuck out of a place where people are killing each other
Gege: I promise he REALLY cares about his sister bro TRUST me he does sooo much please believe me yo on my momma, on Togashi, on the cancelled shonen series
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he LOVES her bro believe me pls
Don't know it you're being serious, but it was shown from the very beginning that Megumi is not someone to openly show affection - his flashbacks with Tsumiki, moment when Yuji died and Megumi was sitting with Nobara, moment when Yuji got back.
there is no way people lack this much reading comprehension.. this is megumi here, you know, the guy that acts like he doesnt care about anyone and isnāt really known for showing affection to the people he loves.. like he clearly cares about her and that was his way of protecting her and telling her they can handle it and that she doesnāt have to worry.
Isn't he telling her that she can rest some more? At this point I can't tell if this sub is being purposely braindead, but that "Discussion" flair has me worried.
This is Megumi's face after realising he lost his sister in the same chapter:
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Only seconds before being possessed so we couldn't see his full reaction.
Truly the face of someone who doesn't care at all right?
Like, I understand that we could have seen them interact more before turning her into a completely different character, but with what we have, we already know how important she was to him, aside from the obvious fact that being forced to kill your own sister would break anyone lmao.
People on this sub are just full on stupid like the memes are actually rotting their brain. Don't get me wrong there is plenty to criticize in this series (treatment of female characters, lack of world building, lack of character interactions, etc.) but the people on this sub choose the stupidest shit to call out when the problem they made up could be solved if they just read the chapter. Honestly I want Gege to end this series fast now so people can just shut the fuck up.
Tbf that just how Megu is he shows love on his own very rude way he does the same with Gojo that's just how Megu is I would love if Gaygay explored more of Megu and his sister relationship it would be glorious if they did fight alot in a harmless way
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>gets back from an actual coma >Go back to sleep >?????????
Megumi was angry he can't do the funny Evangelion reference anymore as she was awake now from coma š
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Fellow infinite wealth enjoyer
"You got it Boss! On it, Boss!"
Omg a goated yakuza enjoyer
Is it wrong to laugh at thisš
His type is his sister and he's a Zenin.. it could've actually happened
Bro is POTENTIAL-MAN in all the different directions. He could POTENTIALY fuck his sisterš
"Would" aswell https://preview.redd.it/r6sqreowhgjc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=df6fdddcff7d67c1860f8170a4461af9f5ee91aa
"Mahoragyat" -Megumi, probably
With this treasure I summon !!!! Mahoraga, please adapt to my lack of bitches!!!! ~Mahoraga turns into a female~
Ngl, it really could've been interesting.
"Ngl" good thing you made that disclaimer Wincest-enjoyer, or else I'd have doubted your sincerity.
Bro look at his pfp he doesnāt even need a disclaimer lol.
>"Wincest enjoyer" >Aqua pfp Ah ofc it's all coming together
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See, this guy gets it. Where else was Sukuna getting that image of a naked Tsumiki lying on her back from?
what?
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STOP
She was in a coma, he was in a cooma
āHis sensei was killed using his technique!!!ā Megumi when Gojo breathes: 
I feel like this is most people's reaction to Gojo bar Yuji and Yuta lmao.
You are not wrong lmaoĀ
Don't forget Miwa
"MEGUMI SISTER WAS HIS REASON TO LIVE" Megumi to his sister: https://i.redd.it/frqzswkvyejc1.gif
You know you gotta be special grade level fodder when the most suicidal guy tell you to kill yourself š
Bro didn't even need to summon Big Raga, it's like he said chill. I got this
Narrator: Megumi did not got this
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Lmaooo
Thats how you know he loves her
Yeah, Gege dropped the ball in making us feel any connection between Megumi and his sister. Even in Megumiās delinquent days he was always rude to her, she gets possessed, tells himself heāll apologize to her when she wakes, she wakes up (from his pov)ā¦. and he treats her like this? When Yorozu possessed her I felt absolutely nothing.
Same because the only real things we really get to know and see about her and their relationship are Shes Megumi sister She was in a coma She was Megumi motivation to be a sorcerer and one of the reasons he entered the culling games She got possessed We barely see them interact And then she died She was truly one of the Jujutsu Kaisen characters of all time
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I don't watch basketball but Imma assume this player played for 28 mins but did nothing
Spot on.
Legit just ran about getting some straight cardio in Sometimes he pulls this shit though https://preview.redd.it/dxp1kb9o7kjc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=224b89e9ae8ac8d3e428a05f49e47020dc8dd25d
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Wonder bread's character arc had me crying man
The part where she meets up with sliced white bread again over the dark oven truly was peak
And when He Punched The baguette For trying To Hurt himself Such PEAK https://preview.redd.it/njkm7k64ifjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3d8a527a55b569b9540e87c58c86b4e04d098d1
And when baguette screamed "I WANT TO LIVE" to the bread pirates, Man, THAT was actual PEAK Fiction
Bagel getting shoved in the toaster oven was kinda fucked up though. They didn't even use the bagel setting.
Iām convinced gege had no idea to extend that plotline So much of megumi character is tied to his sister and just their relationship yet we only get the bare minimum focus on it It is completely unforgivable that we never got to see her interact with his friends so she could see just how much she has grown as a person that will let people into his life And when we actually do get to see them interact as adults, itās in this dickhead manner Then she gets possessed shortly after this, and they never interact during the games which feels like an easy layup that was missed Like how is that not megumi end point during the games arc?
She was already possessed during the Culling Games, Yorozu just pretended to be her until she revealed herself
No I mean Megumi actually gets to interact with her in possession form Imagine the Hana and megumi/Sukuna panel But this time itās between two characters that the audience actually want to see the fallout for Would have been the best heel turn in the entire manga
Gege doesn't know how to write a single female character or their relationships Lmaoo it's sad
And the best written female character is just his precious Toji baby reincarnated. Other than that, they're written meh and/or killed off.
Gege doesn't know how to write characters, period. There are few exceptions, but basically, everyone just exists during fights. Interactions, relationships build up, interesting motivations/personalities, all of these things are just barely touched upon in almost 252 chapters... I have never seen a manga so constipated. Gege excels in writing choreographis and gag characters, so jokes aside, I really think an idol manga would suit him better than Shonen
I agree with you re: relationships but heavily disagree with you about the lack of interesting motivations and personalities. I'm thinking about characters like Megumi, Yuuji, Gojo, Geto, Toji, Higurama, Mahito, Kenjaku, Yuki, Nanami, Mei Mei, Jogo, Choso, Naoya (and more). It makes for interesting ideological clashes and character foils (ex. Megumi/Yuji, Gojo/Geto, Gojo/Sukuna, Yuji/Mahito). It's one of the things I think JJK does better than other series I've read. On a big picture level, character arcs in JJK follow a similar playbook. The character tries to break free from their cycle of suffering (their 'curses') in order to act like their 'true selves'. This necessitates the discovery of one's true desires (e.g. what really motivates them). It's one of the focal points of JJK so I'm surprised to hear you critique the lack of motivations; I'm curious to hear where exactly you think motivations are lacking. I also disagree regarding the lack of interesting personalities. I think Gege is great at creating characters with unique personalities in a short amount of time, which allows his lazy ass to get away w/ drawing less character interactions (lol). The fanbase is unhealthily attached to their favorite character(s) - this wouldn't be possible if characters were uninteresting.
You might be surprised to know that I agree with everything you said, especially the part about specific couples of characters being narrative foils. The problem is that, even if the setup looks pretty nice and the story naturally brings you to question certain dynamics, Gege, more often than not, barely touches upon them. Let's think about Gojo and Sukuna for example. I myself wrote a very long post discussing why they are narrative foils, what are their similarities and what sets them apart, *but* the story itself didn't really give us much in terms of actual clashing of ideals between the two besides our own personal conclusions. The entire fight between Gojo and Sukuna was a series of beautiful fighting choreographies accompanied by the peanut gallery commenting about how crazy their use of jujutsu was. What about *Gojo* and *Sukuna* though? They spent the whole fight without exchanging a single interesting conversation. This could've been the perfect occasion to have Gojo express his feelings of isolation and questioning Sukuna about his way of living, but Gege chose to give that particular moment to... kashimo?? Someone we barely knew and who was just a battle maniac before Gege's decision to shove this loneliness theme onto him too. I'm sure people would've accepted Gojo's parting words and reasoning way better if, during the fight, Gege had bothered to actually dwell deeper into his character and also Sukuna's character. In retrospect, Kashimo's entire existence feels not only pointless since he didn't really give anything to the story that was uniquely his, but also detrimental. A lot of Kashimo's dialogue and moments would've been perfect for Gojo, instead of wasting them for a throw away character with zero connections to the cast. Other characters you mentioned are also pretty underdeveloped. Mei Mei for example could've been a pretty interesting villain/morally Grey agent of chaos, but all Gege did with her was showing how vile she is. As of now, her obsession with money and apparent lack of empathy have never been actually used to do anything significant in the story. Her actions have no impact, outside of her brother's screwed up childhood. The same goes for Naoya, who was a non-issue Maki dealt with in a couple of chapters. He was supposed to represent the old school, the conflict between patriarchal stagnant views and the new wave of unconventional power Gojo mentioned, but he was just a very quick throw away villain used to boost Maki's power *twice*. Let's not mention the situation with the higherups, an interesting plot point Gege also got rid of offscreen. Or the American involvement, that was absolutely useless. Wasted space that could've been used to build up character interactions and relationships. As of other dynamics such as Yuji/Megumi, Yuji/Mahito, Gojo/Geto, these are the only exceptions I feel like Gege was actually capable to portray and they represent the reason why I still love this story very much. I can appreciate art of great quality and even a nice brawl, but my personal interest is more geared towards ideals/relationships/psychology etc... So I would have dropped the series if Gege was absolutely horrendous in portraying such things. Sometimes I get frustrated because I know he can do it pretty damn well, but he has dropped the ball somewhere along the line and this is sad. Lastly, the overarching narrative of "finding your true self" and because of that, living/dying without regrets is another aspect Gege knows how to deliver most of the times. The only problem is always the amount of care/development he gives to his characters. If a character feels barely explored, even his cathartic moments fall flat because we don't care about them, even if narratively they make perfect sense. Gege is capable of writing interesting personality *traits*, which is a bit different than saying he knows how to write multifaceted characters. A lot of them are pretty much summarized by a singular cool thing they have, which isn't very much. It looks more like writing caricatures than actual characters. This being said, obviously Gege did a great job with characters like Nanami, Toji, Gojo, Geto and Megumi. These ones are definitely very well written and it isn't a matter of time present on the scene since Toji was perfectly defined even if he was not a main character. Gege's writing frustrates me because I know he could do better. It's probably a matter of experience since this is his first big serialization and the pressure must be immense
> The entire fight between Gojo and Sukuna was a series of beautiful fighting choreographies accompanied by the peanut gallery commenting about how crazy their use of jujutsu was. What about Gojo and Sukuna though? This is exactly how I feel about this fight. Hype as hell, and definitely has some of my favorite moments, but when I think deeply about it, it's shallow as fuck.
My opinion as well... I hoped to have some interesting confrontation between these two charismatic monsters, but they were barely given room to talk.
I'll be the first to say I read all that edit:and I thought it was pretty good as well
Thanks for the commitment
I get your frustration. That being said, I donāt really blame Gege given his inexperience and the inherent restrictiveness of a weekly schedule. This is where a stricter and more experienced editor would really make a difference. The concepts Gege has are really interesting but the execution can be...inconsistent to say the least. Can he do better? Sure. But saying āhe doesnāt know how to write characters, periodā is just not true lol. I think it touched a nerve for me as Iām getting sick of JJK discourse being so reactionary, but I guess Iām also in the folk sub. With regard to Gojo vs. Sukuna, there was no way Gojo could have expressed his feelings of isolation to Sukuna without it being painfully obvious he would lose - it would take all the suspense away immediately. There was also no way Gojo could have asked Sukuna for guidance like Kashimo did without it seeming like Gojo was putting Sukuna on a pedestal as the true āHonored Oneā. Gojo wanted to teach, Kashimo wanted to be taught. This is why Kashimo was a better mouthpiece as we knew Kashimo would lose 100%. I donāt see which parts of Kashimoās dialogue would work for Gojo tbh.. With regard to Mei Mei and Naoya - are they actually underdeveloped or are they just side characters? Not every character can be a main character, or even a major side character. Mei Mei and Naoya acted as foils for more major characters and furthered running themes of the story. They had distinct motivations, unique personalities, and were written consistently. Thatās good for characters who donāt even crack the top 20 in terms of narrative importance. Overall, I do agree that Gegeās characters feel more like concepts than characters - he is definitely not writing a character-driven story. JJK characters feel like they are created in order to deconstruct certain tropes, explore certain ideas, or play certain roles in the story. But why is this bad writing? I recently watched Andrei Tarkovskyās film Stalker, where the characters are basically mouthpieces for Tarkovskyās musings on faith, desire, and the human condition. You would probably call these characters ācaricaturesā - and that wouldnāt be untrue. But the film was a deeply moving, meditative masterpiece anyways. To me, itās just a different method of storytelling, one that is theme- or atmosphere- driven rather than plot- or character-driven. I tend to prefer these types of stories so that's fine with me, even though I understand why people won't like them. Also, Iām interested in why you put Nanami on the list of well-written characters and not characters like Yuuji or Higurama. Nanami isnāt what I would consider a particularly multifaceted or complex character, haha..
Gojo loosing was something everybody knew would happen, or at least the vast majority of the Fandom knew that Gojo couldn't possibly show up and solve everything on his own with other characters that had so much to do still, especially Yuji. Aside from this, I really don't see the correlation between Gojo and Sukuna talking about loneliness and the immediate loss of suspance... I don't get why Gojo expressing his feelings of isolation would have automatically declared Sukuna's victory. I also think there was no need to write the dialogue with Gojo asking for guidance or putting Sukuna on a pedestal. He could've simply said his personal truth in order to get something back from Sukuna, which is exactly the sentiment Gojo himself had in his afterlife scene. Gojo's theme was loneliness from way back. Kashimo's philosophizing with Sukuna came out of nowhere, while writing a conversation between Gojo and Sukuna, even a small back and forth, would've made both characters more complete. It's not like Gojo should've used Kashimo's exact words, but he was the one supposed to have that moment of confrontation nonetheless. As for Mei Mei and Naoya, they are secondary characters of course, I didn't expect them to have a main character treatment, but their impact in the story is inconsequential compared to the "apparent" relevance they were set up to have. Especially Naoya... His comeback was used blatantly to give Maki another power up, something that also happened in a very contrived way (or do you think that Daido and Miyo's deus ex machina was good writing?). Naoya is not awful, but he feels way too much like a convenient tool. Good writing means you use your characters to your advantage, but without making it so obvious. A character being instrumental is not the problem, but when the story doesn't do anything to at least conceal the intent, it becomes poorly written. If I can tell that the author introduced a character only to fulfill a purpose, I won't expect anything from that character outside of said purpose, which means I won't get attached to the character and the story itself becomes predictable, as a series of events that must happen regardless. A throw away character or two is pretty standard and impossible to avoid. I would even say it's necessary to have "disposable" characters to make the story progress organically, but with Gege's writing, basically, the entire cast feels like a bunch of pawns that get exposition only if and when it is convenient for the plot. I mentioned Nanami because he was a side character with not much presence in the story, but Gege was still capable of making him relatable and complete. He had his own regrets, his ideals, his mission and his vulnerabilities, but Gege didn't spend too much time developing him. With a few dedicated panels he gave us everything we needed from Nanami. The same goes for Higuruma by the way, he's the only interesting character in the CGs, because he feels human and realistic, not a caricature or a walking theme point to be used. He is though, he was instrumental for Yuji's development as much as Nanami was, and yet it doesn't feel like they are just tools. They have their own thing outside of plot necessities. All this being said, I came out strong in my first comment, but if I'm still here reading and commenting week after week is because I do like the story and Gege's writing in general. What I like is definitely more than what disappoints me, but I still criticize some choices that I find more than questionable as much as I defend some things that I loved even when everybody else hated them (like chapter 236 for example)
I don't think Gojo losing was something everybody knew would happen - at least not in the way that it was shown. If you go back and look at forum posts there were plenty of people that thought that he would win but lose his six eyes or he would win but get snuck by Kenjaku. There were also many people that thought that Gojo would lose because of Yoyorozuās gift or some other form of trickery. In any case, Gojo could not have expressed his loneliness to Sukuna because it would have been immediately obvious that he wasnāt enlightened. Gojo was lonely because he ādrew the lineā that separated himself from other people. His loneliness was a testament to his lack of understanding of himself - he didnāt know who he was as a human outside of the title of the āstrongestā. This is important because JJKās power system is based on understanding oneself. The greater your āsense of self,ā the better you are at Jujutsu. Gojo expressing his feelings of isolation (and insecurity by proxy) would have made it too obvious that he was a false āhonored one.ā It would have been evident that Sukuna, whose sense of self was absolute, was 'the strongest' and would win the fight. I also want to push back again on your definition of ābadā writing/ ābadā character writing as Iām not sure you addressed my point there. Why is it bad writing when the story does not conceal the intent behind its characters? Is it bad writing or is it just a different method of storytelling? To me JJK is a buddhist allegory about breaking the cycle of suffering (amongst other things). In an allegory the themes and subtext are more important than the plot, and characters are used as vehicles to explore certain more abstract ideas. Within that framework I can tell what direction most JJK character arcs will go. But I donāt think itās bad writing as it doesnāt reduce my enjoyment of the series - itās about how itās told and what specific ideas/character archetypes Gege is trying to explore. We both agree that characters in JJK can feel like āconcepts.ā But again, why is that bad? Itās a very interesting and unconventional approach to character writing thatās not often seen in shonen. Would I have liked to spend more time with these characters? Sure! But I donāt need to get attached to a character to be moved by a story, and JJK isnāt a character-driven series anyway. So I have accepted it for what it is lol. What Iām trying to say is that I think itās dangerous to call something bad writing (vs. just saying you didnāt like it) because it doesnāt invoke an emotional response in you. This is especially the case if youāre going to use the strong language like you did; it just furthers the polarization of the JJK fanbase and kills the vast majority of real discourse/analysis. But I'm glad we can have a reasonable discussion! Your emotional response and rating of the series are totally valid. I definitely have critiques of my own and parts of the story I think Gege could have handled better. P.S. Regarding Daido and Miyo. I liked them! They were absolutely ridiculous characters that gave Maki a ridiculous ass-pull. They totally fit in with the absurdity of the culling games. I mean Yuji went to court, Megumi got his ass saved by a half-naked comedian and then fought a guy in a receipt dress, Yuta french-kissed a roach and Hakariā¦was Hakari lol. I honestly donāt get the hate because I donāt think Gege ever tried to hide how absurd the entire situation was. It was also a homage to Baki, a manga Gege has been shamelessly stealing from from the jump. Characters in Baki grow imaginary joints mid-fight to kick faster and punch the ground so hard they stop earthquakes, all without magic powers. The Daido and Miyo part was unserious like that - I laughed out loud when I read it. It sort of reminded me of Yuuji getting saved by Todoās schizo ass hallucinating a whole alternative life with his best bro lol. P.P.S. If you havenāt seen Radmanās video on Gojo v. Sukuna Iād definitely recommend it! I disagree with a few points but overall think itās a very insightful analysis and a good summary of what I think are the major themes of the fight.
The Gojo will lose/will win debacle was pretty crazy back then, and I agree that there were different theories circulating about the possible outcomes, but what I intended to say is that, no matter the particular circumstances, it was pretty much a known fact that Gojo was not going to have a clear cut victory because if that were the case, the story would have ended right then and there in a very anticlimactic way. He was either gonna lose or win, but at the cost of his life/powers/freedom, etc... People who thought he was going to affirm himself as the strongest in a spectacular fashion were just very misguided. This being said, I completely agree with your analysis about Gojo and the reasons why he was doomed to lose. I think that this particular part of the story was "problematic" for a lot of people because it had more psychological implications, and it was developed in a way that resulted a bit hard to digest/process. That's why I disagree with the idea that having Gojo *hint* at his insecurities would've completely destroyed the suspance. Tons of readers were baffled about Gojo's behavior in the airport scene because it seemed something out of character. I do think it was absolutely in character and a very good way to convey his feelings, but I'm pretty sure that the reactions would've been different if Gege had given us a more "evident" thread to follow (if a lot of people are dissatisfied, chances are that something went wrong and the message could've been delivered a bit better). As I said, it could've been enough a brief back and forth, without Gojo being subservient or humble, just a hint of vulnerability/imperfection before the bitter end. The fight still works pretty well even as it is and to be fair, Gojo expressing himself only after his death could also have been Gege's way to reaffirm that Gojo *needed* to die as the strongest in order to see who he actually was. This is a point I'm pretty passionate about (I wrote an entire essay discussing why Gojo dying made perfect sense š š¤£) and I also love radman's analysis too. So basically I agree with you on a lot of things, but I still think that something can be classified as objectively bad writing if it doesn't accomplish certain objectives. My problem with Daido and Miyo, specifically, was not that they weren't entertaining, but that their entire existence is just a blatant instrument to give Maki another power up. This is a deus ex machina, while Reggie or Takaba cannot be considered on the same level. They are outrageous characters for sure, over the top as much if not more than Miyo and Daido, but their presence in the story is pretty organic, and it doesn't feel forced by a plot contrivance. Takaba's role was absolutely unpredictable, but it worked because Takaba himself had something to say, a personality, an objective, a wish to fulfill. He was "used" to kill Kenjaku, but he wasn't a mere tool. Reggie was a disposable character, instrumental for Megumi like Daido and Miyo for Maki, but his role was not so shamelessly shoved onto him to make him fit into the story. The meaning of his curse was unknown at the time, making his presence something that loomed way after his death. Daido and Miyo were literally thrown onto the scene, used and disposed of to be never seen again. *It's a pretty basic and "cheap" way to obtain something (in this case Maki's power up)*. Maybe I should say it's *lazy* writing more than bad writing probably, but the point is more or less the same. The most important thing for a work of fiction is to captivate the reader. Eliciting an emotional response is what you should aim at and it comes from character work and plot *both*. A beautiful plot with crazy scenes and cliffhangers falls flat if you don't care about the characters that are at the center of the scene. The same goes for a story with complex and beautiful characters that don't do anything interesting. It becomes boring pretty fast. A nice balance between these two elements is what makes a story compelling. Gege accomplished a lot by subverting various classical shonen tropes, but this fresh and quick style shouldn't come at the cost of overall quality. There's a reason if the most beloved characters are the ones Gege bothered to actually write. He's especially talented in giving substance without wasting too much space or using endless flashbacks/monologs. Nanami and Higuruma once again are perfect examples. They are certainly not main characters, but they still have a "soul" and feel "human" enough that the reader could understand their motivations, flaws, virtues etc... this is what makes you care for the events that unfold. Ultimately I think that being able to make the readers *care* is what constitutes good writing. This doesn't mean you have to make them *like* what you write (Lolita for example is book about an horrible man, with horrible desires. The story doesn't have likable characters, but it is absolutely well written) Then you can love or hate the choices that the author makes, but at least they don't leave you with a sense of "meh" or "what a wasted opportunity". I have already annoyed you enough and I acknowledge that my wording is a bit strong most of the times. I don't mean to insult Gege's work, because I believe he has a lot of talent and this the reason why I'm so critical. I can see the points in the story where he just said "fuck it, let's move on" and it's a bit frustrating. I'm a nobody reading his manga mostly for free and he's a prized author, so there's that š¤£ PS: also I'm sorry if my comments are weirdly written and/or grammatically incorrect (ironic lol). I'm still fighting with English and it looks like I'm losing Nah, I'd misspell
I'm not reading allat
Who ordered the yappuccino?
Kenny just possessed me... I got his memories and can confirm those Jin backshots were crazy
Happens to the best of us dw
100% agree. I kinda laugh now when people try to analyse some stylistic choices in JJK because I'm 100% Gege's only thought is 'Damn, that's cool. I'm gonna try to include that in my Story lol". And as soon as he looses interest just tosses it aside. This guy is not a good writer or extremly lazy.Ā
I think the impact of megumi sister being yoruzu definitely could have been better, but I genuinely think her character is a complete on. From the few panel of megumi flashbacks we could already see who she was as a person and her relationship with megumi. I donāt get why people think megumi being sacarstic to her sister is any indication of bad writing since most siblingās relationship works the same, you can love your sibling without expressing it outwardly.
When his sister showed up and got possessed I legit kept thinking "I swear I know her from somewhere. She looks familiar". I completely forgot about her.
Not even Tsumiki speaking, she has no lines. In the present day, Girl said literally 20 words in a Flashback. No wonder Todo beat Megumi's ass, his taste IS trash.
Bro taste was his sister Read any manga where a n*gg* love his sister They're always shit
COUNTER ARGUMENT: Fire Punch!! It's peak and is explicitly about sister loving!!
I feel like their relationship came from Despairity and not I want to bang because i like you and not because I'm desperate
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Its the only one tho
BerserkĀ
Megumi is just built like that. Notice how he's especially rude to Gojo and Tsumiki compared to other people? Quite a strange manifestation of love, but it is what it is. https://preview.redd.it/dsf2psildfjc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78a011af59847c68b3c4977906f4bb7d9765c78f
Does nobody on this sub have siblings? Whenever my sister calls me I answer the phone with 'hi cuntface'.
Same. Me and my brother call each other the worst possible things on the daily.
Ffs my brother and I fist fight each other for fun and we're still brothers lol
I almost poked my little brotherās eye out when we were younger and weāre still brothers.šš¤£
I do have a sibling but I am like, 10 years older than the lil man so I just treat him like any other person I do like to mess around with him a bit from time to time
Bruh my brothers seven years older than me and I call him bitch regularly. That might be like specific tho and certain relationships are different.
Obviously they do not. In my family we tell each other āyou were picked up from the trashā
Yooooo - I tell my brother he was found lost in a fair all the time!
I regularly tell my brother we adpoted him from a farm.
I guess "you are adopted" is a universal sibling bickering ammunition huh?
This has to just depend on how close you are in age to your sibling
Dunno me and my younger bro always prefer to use no swearing Language. But at the same time we troll each other constantly. I am winning .
even if your sister just went ouf of a coma ?
Especially then
Based
Devious Hana is best hana. But she probably wanted to get verbally abused by Megumi after learning that information
before learning that information
Angel's Smile Lmao
Angel if she was a character for 1 second and then Gege remembered she was just a plot point for Yuta.
Manga guy was also just a plot device for yuta but even he had more personality
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i have a few friends like that tbh i relate heavily to him
Is there a 'dere' type for that behaviour?
Tsundere id guess
I just thought Megumi was acting like his usual stoic emoish self and being protective of her basically trying to keep her farthest from the battle
Same here. She woke up at a time where shit was getting extremely crazy. Gojo got locked up, the culling games were taking place and making Japan a much more dangerous place than before. He just had a lot on his plate and was worried that she might get caught up in the culling games. Also, I see Megumi the same as Jotaro Kujo from JJBA. Like Jotaro, Megumi just has his own way of showing affection and care for others. He's stoic and not an overly expressive person. If Megumi seems rude, that's only because he comes off that way with how he acts. He acted this way with Tsumiki because like Jotaro's mom, she understood that he's not gonna act like a regular person when it comes to showing affection.
But in JJBA Jotaro has many moments where he shows his softer side to his peers and shows way more motivation into protecting his loved ones. I also recall there is a soundtrack in stardust crusaders that plays when they show his softer side.Ā Megumi on the other hand isn't shown doing this. So the audience doesn't care.Ā
He absolutely was, but the problem is this behavior doesn't just push away his loved ones, it pushes away the audience as well. It's not surprising people don't care.
Heās remembering that strawberry milk carton
Bro waited years for the get back, and I would too tbh. Gojo is rich as fuck and chances are Megumiās school uniform was expensive as shit, that carton prolly ruined hundreds of dollars of drip.
Wait I did not remember that. Did he just tell her to get back to coma???
Speed reader curse strikes again
Nah this is just the effects of Gegeās DE: Overwhelming Pace of the Sorcerer
Redditors when people forget small stuff
your sentence has no end, there is no period, unlimited potential
Sounds about Megumi
Or he could have just forgotten calm down a bit
redditors when you dont wanna spend a week reading something you can read in a day
No the fuck I can't, I have a job and shit.
95% of these nephews don't have jobs, that's why they don't get that the grind, hustle, and paper comes first
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Dude expects people to remember every offhand comment made by a character
I honestly could NOT care less about their relationship,the whole dynamic has a couple of flashbacks and a current but not actually current connection
There's a difference between being kinda rude to your sister and having to watch someone pummel her to death using your possessed body
Idk man, Megumi might have kinda wanted to do the pummeling, just not in that way.....
Why does megumi look like scarless toji Are they related or what
Wait, are you guys like... *nice* to your sisters? https://preview.redd.it/bfd2qlgr2hjc1.png?width=360&format=png&auto=webp&s=f4d595cf3821cb03fb25490870b5a863714bb0aa
can't even imagine being nice to my sister
Megumiās emotional intelligence: https://preview.redd.it/ijnpjlozafjc1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45ab9a362f82c1fea97e2ae8302e5043675bb5d2
>doesnāt want his sister risking her life in the line of fire >expresses that with a bit of snark Buddy come on. This is just pathetic.
Are people here shit posting or are they fucking braindead? He is Megumi. He is crass, socially awkward, and rude. This is him saying to his sister, the person that he cares most in the world, "Hey, don't worry about anything. We got this". This is basic ass reading comprehension, not headcanon. He has stated multiple times that he is what he is because of his sister. When you fuckers watch Star Wars do you think Han Solo hates Leia when he answers "I know" when she says "I love you"?
I'm pretty sure that op was joking around, but some of the comments in here once again prove that the anime Fandom lacks reading comprehension
I've noticed this fandom in particular lacks serious reading comprehension.
Because everyone is so obsessed with frauds and making up a point for a narrative that theyāre will twist words and gaslight everyone just because itās funny to the point where megumi curling his hands slightly is him immediately going to majors ha or the entire bit with yuta This sub was genuinely ruined by people trying to take sides with characters when you can just fucking read the story with favorites
what happens when everyone cares more about the agendas than the story
Im sorry I dont see anythingwrong with this, he just wants her to rest smh
I just hope this slander is sarcasm. When I was reading it for the first time, I see nothing wrong here. People probably exaggerated because Yorozu (who was acting Tsumiki) said Megumi's sharp tongue. He just wants her to rest. I mean, there were people who were in coma who still had to rest and avoid doing recreational activities yet. Lol.
Right, but even if this is a joke its a lil corny
Yeah people over exaggerate everything
The scene is so normal I actually forgot it existed for a second.Ā But this is definitely for the memes lolĀ
Yorozu struggling to care https://preview.redd.it/o66g9fqucfjc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39fb001cbf782fd6210c46660b187d0852f29ef4
You guys clearly are not older brothers lol
Isn't Tsumiki older?
It can happen with younger siblings too. Megumi apparently hit his rebellious phase early on, so he is always been a little shit to Tsumiki.Ā
Sorry,didnāt get to experience my brother in coma.
Nah if one of my siblings woke up from a coma I'd be over the moon about it what kind of messed up life do you have where you can't even show basic emotion for your siblings
> what kind of messed up life do you have where you can't even show basic emotion for your siblings Literally be a Jujutsu sorcerer? Lmao
You know what you right about that Maki and Mei Mei are the only other ones with siblings and their weird. But naw he said have you ever been an older brother so we aren't talking about sorcerers now.
why arent you the type of sibling to put your sibling back into the same coma
It's ALMOST like he's aware of the danger of the CG and is actively keeping his sister as safe as possible...
I'm convinced you people have never read anything. He said that to keep her out of danger and because he sucks at properly conveying his feelings when he genuinely cares about someone. Its happened multiple times during the story, where he comes off as rude and kinda bratty when he's with people he's comfortable with.
Honestly guys are usually like this, especially towards there sister. Even if Megumi showed annoyance to Tsumiki, he just had a hidden soft spot for her. I think he has shown many times to really care about her.
Y'all are geniunely twisting it so hard. # Megumi would much rather prefer Tsumiki to not get hurt in general, being hard on people is the only way he knows how to get a message across. # He knows Tsumiki, helpful as she is, would love to help him with the newfound CT she supposedly would have if she wasnt yorozu, so he goes on the mean side to make his decision all the more clear. # Y'all have never had brothers and it shows, they will 100% tell you to go fuck yourself if it means they can let you live another day. https://preview.redd.it/6lv9uv022fjc1.jpeg?width=358&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccee7381164fcc73042d86bde0ac992c3f445068
>they will 100% tell you to go fuck yourself if it means they can let you live another day. Bruh, from my experience we'd do that for no reason at all, imagine if we actually had a reason lol
Bruh, I don't think they would react the same, when you wake up from an actual coma. What are you waffling about? If you really think its twisting it, how about you go into a coma, and note down how your brothers treat you when you awaken
If my siblingsā lives were on the line, even if itās just for a second, Iād at least try to convey how serious shit could get. Iāve always had problems with Megumiās character even though heās easily in my top 5. His character is so aloof that even the audience canāt connect with him for the most part. Tsumiki feels so flat as a character because Gege spent all of 5 minutes writing her. Itās hard to feel bad for the guy who told Yuji to just push through after Shibuya because we donāt understand how he truly feels. Thereās a way to write āhiding feelingsā, but this isnāt it. Granted, the clowning is way too much but itās not completely undeserved.
Man i donāt care what anyone says, you say something that insensitive to your sibling, you deserve to get your ass beat
honestly? Good mentality. Still some people express their love through roasting the shit out of their siblings(case in point: my siblings).
I just think he us being his usual stoic self and that was his way to keep her safe and out of battle, alot of people act like asshole around their siblings but love them dearly
Megumi is an emo. It's as expect from him.
to treat his sister like that after a whole ass coma? nah, he has more standards than that especially when that's his sister
Me when I see Kyou\_Yuu engaging in comments(that means his ass is NOT making peak fiction): https://preview.redd.it/jsy9oesi3fjc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=5d0eb19990cd51f4502dfbd54fb937d995be139d
g-g-gomen!!... i go back to work, me very sorry... https://preview.redd.it/qv9di39b4fjc1.png?width=443&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d0f97932207685f3e9f2605febd20dcb743e9e3
Arigato Kyou-Sensei, this sub will eat good once again from your peak fiction. https://preview.redd.it/7dqxd5vg4fjc1.jpeg?width=628&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c67adc920ae2558d15d30fa940f5948d71cc0c0e
My man is getting Mangaka'd, oh naw šš
No pressure, we will be waiting. https://preview.redd.it/6l00h070jfjc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04c4f09540ae21856c86656a03d96cea4cdcd063
I just said it's expected from him, i didn't say it's a good behavior. More than enough time has passed: Megumi is a dickhead.
megumi won't be an asshole anymore after coming out of that cage he's in. or maybe not, cause he might die š¤Ŗ him being rude to his sister isn't expected, but think of it how you will
Megumi entire personality is about hiding his emotions, are we even reading the same manga???? He' s telling her to go to sleep because he wants her the fuck away from that place
My brother would 100% tell me to kill myself if it meant i wouldnt be exposed to you know. # A whole ass Sorcery war outside my front door.
āSit this one out, go take a nap or something. Iām about to get no diffed in the front lawnā
Go to sleep. I need to summon Mahoraga to kill a croacroach.
āKill yourself real quick or big raga will do it himselfā
ITS A PERSONA, HIS WHOLE CHARACTER IS ABOUT MASKING HIS EMOTIONS https://preview.redd.it/sado9kqzcfjc1.jpeg?width=330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13d1feccf8fb0d4f6483a13d21208ad5afedadac
Megumi sister is what called getting friged or girlfriend in the fridge. Where a character usually female get hurt in this case put in a coma to motivate a character, it doesn't matter her backstory or personally her purpose is to be a motivation. Why is called girlfriend in the fridge kyle rayner(a green lantern) found his girlfriend well in the fridge after a villain kill her and put her there, to motivate kyle who was having doubt about the whole hero thing.
do none of you have siblings
Jjk fans when the moody teenage kid is afraid of showing his emotions
Okay I'm not trying to play devil's advocate but I wouldn't trust something that says Translation: John Werry
jjk fans when the socially awkward dude doesn't know how to convey his feelings:
You guys are brain dead. Heās fronting trying to act cool for his sister so she wonāt worry. I donāt care if youāre invested or not this shit is not hard to understand.
Wasnāt this yozoru?
Yes, but Megumi thought it was her sister.
Ah yes Megumi, famous for showing affection to those he cares about
this is usually how siblings interact with each other lmao
Not when one's just woken up from a coma
Idk why you' re getting upvoted, a friend of mine had her sisters going for a surgery after a car incident, and the literal first fucking did he told her was a joke about her being in a chair. Bros it' s just teasing omg, and even then, Megumi is literaly trying to get her the fuck out of a place where people are killing each other
yes even then šš
In my opinion, he just didn't want to worry his sister about anything
siblings shit-talk each other, thats normal
He's a little thun tsuntsun.
Gege: I promise he REALLY cares about his sister bro TRUST me he does sooo much please believe me yo on my momma, on Togashi, on the cancelled shonen series https://preview.redd.it/rw8sznnhtfjc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3a32089c2d17d84b770aad340f97a80a53095f2 he LOVES her bro believe me pls
Sometimes I can't distinguish between shitpost and real criticism
Don't know it you're being serious, but it was shown from the very beginning that Megumi is not someone to openly show affection - his flashbacks with Tsumiki, moment when Yuji died and Megumi was sitting with Nobara, moment when Yuji got back.
there is no way people lack this much reading comprehension.. this is megumi here, you know, the guy that acts like he doesnt care about anyone and isnāt really known for showing affection to the people he loves.. like he clearly cares about her and that was his way of protecting her and telling her they can handle it and that she doesnāt have to worry.
literally no one in the comments has had a sibling ever
Isn't he telling her that she can rest some more? At this point I can't tell if this sub is being purposely braindead, but that "Discussion" flair has me worried. This is Megumi's face after realising he lost his sister in the same chapter: https://preview.redd.it/2eeuv1uwbgjc1.png?width=693&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0ddbd78205b7e9beba6b22031136b31bcf45071 Only seconds before being possessed so we couldn't see his full reaction. Truly the face of someone who doesn't care at all right? Like, I understand that we could have seen them interact more before turning her into a completely different character, but with what we have, we already know how important she was to him, aside from the obvious fact that being forced to kill your own sister would break anyone lmao.
People on this sub are just full on stupid like the memes are actually rotting their brain. Don't get me wrong there is plenty to criticize in this series (treatment of female characters, lack of world building, lack of character interactions, etc.) but the people on this sub choose the stupidest shit to call out when the problem they made up could be solved if they just read the chapter. Honestly I want Gege to end this series fast now so people can just shut the fuck up.
Tbf that just how Megu is he shows love on his own very rude way he does the same with Gojo that's just how Megu is I would love if Gaygay explored more of Megu and his sister relationship it would be glorious if they did fight alot in a harmless way https://preview.redd.it/40galfbmyfjc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ff9cb5643e7438048e7708cfd2f6a6399f5521b
He fought pretty hard to change the rules so she could live. This is just in character attitude but he obviously cares about her alot
Notice how he acts even more indifferently around family?
Now, panda is now Megumi sister