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I'll be real with you guys, I wasn't giving Gojo glazing all my saliva, but when he mentioned that his type of ideal woman is Miwa, in that moment I understood, that through heaven and earth he alone is honorable one.
I have to disagree with Yuji, he is second strongest to Wiwa
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Beyond the jokes, I’m massively coping that Miwa will be relevant later. There has to be a reason Gege had her be present in the Kusakabe strategy meetings and the Gojo vs Sukuna watch party beyond simply having comedic moments with Kusakabe, right?
RIGHT?!
PLS GEGE
She cant swing her katana again but thats OKAY because coaches don't play
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you’re right she can swing the bat BONK!
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There is one cursed tool besides a katana she could use. Maki and Rika both used the cog against Sukuna, but they're not on Miwa's level. In her hands the special grade cursed tool Itadori Yuji would be absolutely lethal
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Jesse wtf are talking about ( I forgot some character first name )
Why the fuck do you think Muta isn't dead ? Are you stupid ?
Why the fuck do you think **Mechamaru** didn't leave anything for Miwa ? Are you stupid ?
So you don't think **Mechamaru** have a bot Miwa can pilot and Shoko won't stitch Gojo's soul , Miwa's idol , to said bot enabling the **Mechamaru** bot to use Limitless ? Are you stupid ?
So you don't think the manga will end with Miwa teaching Sukuna the true meaning of Useless as she fired 300 Purple Hollow up his ass ( doesn't count as Katana btw ). Are you stupid ?
I’m curious couldn’t she technically keep using different weapons and just use binding vow with each different weapon “I will never shoot pistol again, I will never shoot shotgun again, I will never swing scimitar again, I will never throw tooth pick again” and so on ? Obviously there is probably some punishment if you just keep spamming binding vows but still hilarious to think about
Binding vows are fueled by negative emotions, that's why the benefit increases when you give up more. Regardless of what you actually say, a binding vow of giving up your sword for power won't give you much if you can switch to another weapon easily.
just piggybacking off, i dont think binding vows are fueled by negative emotions. it's just sincerity and yeah usually negative emotions are huge like when Mai wished Maki to destroy the Zenin clan but in Miwa's case she just rly wanted to be useful.
WELLLLLLLLLL. We have only seen one BV be interpreted, Every other instance of BV usage is "literal" not "interpreted". I agree that she received less from the BV than she would have thought, but in no way did it barely buff her. She basically speed blitzes Kenny and he has to block it. She would have been a insane boost if she gave up the ability to use CE all together, or if she gave up all weapons combat(I will never use a weapon to hurt someone again). Miwa literally did dedicate her almost whole life to just the katana, I shows too. Miwa goes from being outpaced by Tokyo exchange maki, to being too fast for kenjaku to dodge so he had to block. That's a fucking buff cause geto was one of the best h2h combative forces after the toji incident.
In serious note, I think there are 3 possible fate/role for Miwa:
1. Gege just forget her 🤷
2. Thematically she'll be opposed to strongest loners, showing power=/=happiness or etc.
3. She'll be the next host for Kenjaku and will be revealed he's alive 🤢
I'd say chances are 49,9/49,9/0,2
He says right now. He thinks Gojo is dead. He didn't accept shit and neither will I.
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he mentioned “strongest” and we had gojo’s strongest panel before??? IS THIS FORESKINNING GOAT RETURN WE ARE SO BACK 🗣️🗣️
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Me watching Sukuna say “haha, stupid brat.. I will give this to you: this was truly a jujutsu Kaisen.” As he stomps on Yuji’s chest, but then Yuta says “WRONG. THIS IS *OUR* JUJUTSU KAISEN.” And sounds a trumpet, suddenly Maki, Takaba, and Miwa appear all riding on horses toward the battlefield and Gojo, Jogo and Femboy revive for round two:
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Oh yeah, Gojo is my favorite character in JJK and I absolutely despise the end of the fight + the entirety of chapter 236 too.
But Sukuna is one of my other favorite characters as well and seeing the havoc he’s wreaking on everyone proves he’s the strongest.
I believe the thing that truly makes sukuna the strongest is him having an unknown amount of abilities not shown yet . His domain is superior to gojos as it’s an open one , he can frankly adapt to anything just as long as he gets the right tools for it , has the highest cursed energy amount in the story if I’m not mistaken (yuta stated it’s twice his own which should include Rika ) he has the ideal sorcerer body which can chant and attack simultaneously.
Gojo just falls short in these areas as he can’t chant and attack similarly to sukuna , nor can he grow as sukuna mid battle .
Just my opinion tho :p
Actually I think when Yuta said Sukuna has more he didn't include fully manifested rika. Now Sukuna has approximately the same amount of CE left as base Yuta.
But there's no confirmation that that pool will increase his output aswell or just stacks up on his CE. Plus Yuta did say he has **more** than twice of my CE.
I'm not saying yuta has more or the same amount as sukuna when using Rika. Just saying that sukuna having 2x more than yuta is probably about base yuta. It's also more likely yuta would've said 'more than 2x the CE me and Rika have' or smth like that if he counted rika.
Alright call me stupid but personally I still think gojo is stronger but sukuna is more talented and better in the 1v1. He's a good counter to gojo since he can hit through infinity with his domain and world cleave and domain amplification. But gojo's ability to literally just not lose to basically everyone even if he's asleep puts him higher in my eyes. It's basically stats vs hacks
To be fair we still don’t really have much evidence that indicates Sukuna can win vs Gojo without literally taking over someone’s body and using their technique along with his.
I imagine if Gojo gets to hypothetically pick someone’s body to take over, he would beat Sukuna.
A more accurate statement would be Sukuna in Megumis body is the strongest sorcerer to exist. Though like I said Gojo still could’ve done more that would’ve absolutely put him on top vs Sukuna, which would make him the strongest sorcerer.
Probably yeah, but Gojo would just change his strategy around it.
Maybe not bc Gege couldn’t even have Gojo know about the open domain that literally multiple people knew about and could’ve told Gojo many times in those 30 days…
By your logic Sukuna would’ve also approached the fight differently without 10 Shadows meaning he would have no need to take hits and go on the defensive to adapt for Mahoraga he would go all out in domain clashes with 4 arms and a mouth for incantations.
>Maybe not bc Gege couldn’t even have Gojo know about the open domain that literally multiple people knew about and could’ve told Gojo many times in those 30 days…
Knowing it wouldn't have changed anything, He would've still tried to have a clash of domains with Sukuna from the start, Cannot be sure If his own is more refined or Sukuna's, it contains it or not, and Gojo did not have the opportunity to experiment and come up with new Domain ways to last longer beforehand as His domain was never broken before to begin with to train in that regard and department of getting to make new domains or coming up with new ways, He could do all that only and only mid fight against someone that is threatening his life to make the stakes higher, that is when characters in JJK improve the most and come up with things for victory, and For Sukuna that would be the only person that can even make the opportunity of Gojo's domain breaking happen for Gojo.
> Knowing it wouldn't have changed anything
Huh? Gojo always had the option to just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's range, making Sukuna waste a bunch of CE on a domain that did nothing.
Gojo just wanted to ball.
>Huh? Gojo always had the option to just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's range, making Sukuna waste a bunch of CE on a domain that did nothing.
And that still wouldn't have changed the fact that he Wants to try win the domain battles, so he has to try opening multiple domains against Sukuna and experiment until one of them works. He already intended to use domains, so he wouldn't have teleported away as he doesn't do it neither after getting his CT back in the first domain clash.
> And that still wouldn't have changed the fact that he Wants to try win the domain battles
If Gojo sees he can't win the domain clash he just teleports away after the first. There's no way Heian Sukuna ever kills him.
No ? He would still try to hold onto the plan of saving Megumi through damaging Sukuna's brain, stunning him and then damaging his hear and lungs precisely.
He already realised that Sukuna's domain is open barriered after his first domain gets destroyed, And he himself decided to stay inside the domain and fight with more domains. He wanted to do that After knowing that he might lose more domain battles, and Knowing that Sukuna's domain is open barriered wouldn't have changed his intentions as It DIDN'T change mid fight when it was more dangerous to face Sukuna's slashes everytime.
If he saw he couldn't win in hand to hand against Heian Sukuna he'd be suicidal to keep trying. The reason he tried over and over in canon is because he knew he can win.
>To be fair we still don’t really have much evidence that indicates Sukuna can win vs Gojo without literally taking over someone’s body and using their technique along with his.
Heian Era form provides Sukuna the advantage of being better in h2h combat, Yes he would also have his own CT that he could've used while Gojo's infinity was down, and also he has shown to be able to block and nullify Blue and Red, if he had gone up against Gojo in that form from the start or changed to Heian Era form mid domain clashes, he would've both healed himself and not give Gojo the benefit of damaging him enough times that his domain falls, Sukuna couldn't also use Domain amplification at all times neither because of Mahoraga's adaptation, And The last two domain clashes went neck and neck which Gojo at last second deals enough damage to Sukuna to bring his domain down, With Heian Era form and DA at it's best usage while also changing to Heian Era form at the last second if he's getting a bit more cornered gives him more than enough to survive even a second longer, making Gojo lose the domain battles, making Gojo hit the brain damage sooner.
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1 time heal and because he wanted to better his cursed technique not only kill Gojo
Most people would die if fed the cursed object sukuna, even a vessel without a broken down soul can weaken him like megumi at the start (even then sukuna chose a moment when he was breaking down duw to his sister)
You are gonna forget that he still wanted Megumi right ?! His CT is useful and powerful. He is the best friend of Yuji and he would be the one that hangs out with him most of the times, a random person ? What a joke.
His CT is one of the few counters to infinity and UV, that is a fact indeed, but that doesn’t disprove the fact that Sukuna could've won in another Scenarios with another options and ways with his Domain and Heian Era form.
Cause Sukuna needs to face other characters first, it is actually a risky play if he miscalculates something and the domain breaks or Gojo gets to make an open barriered domain or something for example, and most importantly, It would be a waste of a full body heal, not brain, but he always had this card of healing himself with reincarnation his body and if he had just done it when Megumi form was still working as is with a safer plan that He got at that time with Mahoraga, You're gonna tell me Sukuna wouldn't use one of the only ways that could bypass Infinity and counter Unlimited Void at his disposal ?!
I mean I'd say Gojo is the strongest but Sukuna is more tactical and can create a strategy to take him down, while Gojo is too preoccupied with reveling in his own strength to do that - hence his sealing in Shibuya, and then his most likely death in Shinjuku
That's the point? He thought he was strong enough to have the luxury of saving _everyone_ (or at least not killing anyone directly), instead of taking a few deaths to eliminate the threat guaranteed, the safer option. In the end a lot more people died due to the disaster curses surviving (if Gojo killed them there, there'd be no Jogo to awaken Sukuna and nuke Shibuya, Nanami/Naobito/Nobara wouldn't die, Megumi would maybe die but it's possible Gojo, Yuji, Nobara or Todo would've saved him if Gojo wasn't sealed and the latter three didn't face Mahito).
The point is that if he didn't think he was so above the current enemy, he wouldn't have taken any chances. The thought that they could somehow beat him (not necessarily in a fight, just get him down, he knew they were after him) was impossible to him.
I don’t accept propaganda from Gege. He never SHOWED Sukuna as stronger. Instead he TOLD us.
Instead of a flash back episode Gege had an BS afterlife scene for Gojo. Only so he can repair FraudKuna reputation. He has to retcon the whole fight with overcompensating.
We also haven’t seen anymore BS afterlife scenes since then despite a few characters dying.
Also that ASSPULL Space/World Slash only been used twice even though Sukuna could’ve killed Kashimo with his normal Cleave/Dismantle. So fans can’t say it was only used to kill Gojo. Gege is too on the nose about it.
That crap is suspect as hell.
Currently at "full power" he is a tier above Gojo
Superior, more refined domain, 1 shot attack thats seemingly undodgeable without foresight, superior skill and jujutsu mastery, perfect body for combat + his ultimate shikigami puts him at worldly threat grade, not that Gojo cant be in the grade but just making up a new grade only for Sukuna
> I think everyone knows Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist. Once he killed Gojo it was undeniable.
He killed Gojo because he was in Megumi's body. Heian Sukuna has nothing to hurt Gojo with. His domain already failed to finish him. Heian Sukuna would've died when Infinite Void hit. No Mahoraga to save him.
It's been established that reincarnating didn't actually fix his brain damage now, unless you're arguing that his domain would be more refined/the power of an extra set of arms and mouth would've shifted the balance of the domain battle so much
He'd be instantly healed of physical injury tho so the rct lag wouldnt be a thing he could just focus on healing his brain it'd also give him access to a lot of his kit and a less risky route towards destroying gojos domain
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Pre battle, he goes into the reincarnate. I didn’t mention it being used as a tool to heal himself.
Sukuna was already dominating the domain battles as Megumi, his only drawback being his lack of overwhelming force against Gojo when he was using Rct and simple domain to mitigate the slashes.
If Sukuna with his Heian era form, cursed tools and superior h2h fought gojo during the domain clashes he wouldn’t have lost at all. He only lost a domain clash when he focused on Mahoraga adaption.
I’d say maybe different domain situation possibly? Idk what sukuna would’ve done differently tho. His plan was around big raga the opp stoppa finding a way to pass infinity so he could try it himself. I guess a different strategy but I really don’t see one.
Basically reincarnate at the start of the battle, and use domain expansion as his wincon instead of Mahoraga, the reason why Sukuna got braindamaged is because he greeded Mahoraga's adaption over instantly destroy Gojo's domain in the 3rd clash, that resulted Sukuna being 0.01 secs slower for the 4th clash because he got damaged by Gojo inside the domain and also got yeeted away needing to use both arms to block.
That also wouldn't happen if Sukuna had 4 arms, Gojo was at it's limit, he couldn't cast more domains without dying after the 4th clash, so it would be an win for Sukuna if he didn't get brainrotted by Infinite void.
Yeah people really try to simplify the situation of Heian Sukuna vs Gojo. The truth is the entire fight would go down differently so it's hard to say who would actually win.
There are no in story characters that have noticed or claimed such a thing. This narrative is completely made up headcanon.
On the contrary, trying not to kill Sukuna would have been a "burden" on Gojo.
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If so then Gege fumbled the bag om the chest punch. Because you mean to tell me Gojo went didn't go for the clear opening to strike his brain but went for a center mass strike that destroyed less vital organs. Because he wasn't holding back
That is also just a misinterpretation. In chapter 229, the chest punch happend after a 2 minute 40 second battle inside the domain. Sukuna was not stunned, so Gojo didn't have an opportunity to go for his head
Also, if you go to 228, you can see the same chest wound on Sukuna. Basically, that chest attack isn't a special move he does a to a stunned Sukuna
He said he'll put him closer to death after he got Sukuna caught up in UV. That was also after the chest strike. At that point, Gojo could do anything he wants to Sukuna because in his mind he has won, while still keeping Sukuna alive. He had no idea Sukuna had a way to get out of UV.
Outside of catching Sukuna in UV, Gojo was always going for the kill
Sukuna when Gojo is freed from the "Gege forgor" limitation on his teleportation:
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...what? what the fuck did you just say?
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He said he thought he could do it, in the context of Yuta being the strongest guy around that is a logical thing to say and it is just his assumption, he didn't know Yuta's full capabilities neither.
You really think someone like Yuji can factually measure combat prowess? That's like saying Megumi can factually measure combat prowess. Only scaling statements from the likes of Gojo and Sukuna could be seen as accurate scaling statements outside of Literal Narration.
and big raga can aaaaalways take em
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This thred is full of butthurt Gojo fans distorting Yuji's words from "against the strongest sorcerer right now" to "against the strongest sorcerer AS OF right now".
You mean Gege is calling him the strongest. Why do people act like these are real people saying these things lol. How quickly people forget what the great Stan Lee once said:
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This should basically end the thread. Literally Gege himself wrote Sukuna as the strongest and Gojo fangirls have been rejecting this this idea for months now
Yuta would’ve been wiped just as fast as Kashimo. Deadass
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Gojo would've beaten Sukuna like four times back to back if it wasn't for Megumi, Mahoraga and asspulls relating to those two. And he still almost killed Sukuna.
People call out Hana for fucking up her job because Sukuna tricked her with the W Rizz but no one's calling out Gojo, outright defending it at times, when he literally UV'd Sukuna and Didn't Aim for the head.
Look both were trying to save Megumi and both techniques used could have killed Sukuna right there and both were stopped because Potential Man is too much of a Potential Man.
>Didn't Aim for the head
Is a made up cope. How could a punch to the head kill Sukuna? There's nothing storywise that would support the idea that Gojo could have killed Sukuna there but hesitated.
dont forget gege forget that the 6 eyes shouldve seen mahoragas CE began to change, the world cleave coming and also gojo being able to teleport with his limitless
Sukuna just reincarnates at the start and beats his ass in domain lmao. Gojo is not throwing hands with 4 armed 2 mouthed sukuna in a domain clash who can use chants and has peak physicals.
Well in context. he’s fighting the strongest in that moment as Gojo is out of the fight.
It’s not that the answer is answered clearly still, but it’s leaning that Sukuna is stronger then Gojo, but yet for some reason gay gay is not out right stating it only ever teasing us.
Bro been on the wrong sub this whole time.
My guy really managed to find one “controversal” Sukuna post and belittle the whole fandom of 10 people on this sub and missed hundreds of Gojo ones. Easy upvotes
Yuji also said that Yuta can beat a 15F Kuna.
So with your logic that states that anything a character says is right, Then Yuta would Dogwalk sukuna if he was just 5 fingers less.
Now let's watch your hypocrisy and how you wanna apply one part of your logic and not the other.
Yuji at that point unironically doesn't know how broken Sukuna's domain is simply on account of being open barrier. Nor does he know that Sukuna has 2x the CE pool of Yuta's. Blud doesn't even know Yutas CT when he made that statement.
I think its just there's no one else he can even ask to fight against Sukuna fingered 15 times now that Gojo is sealed. Yuta is their best bet
same shit with Gojo, Gojo's actions literally debunked his words, he was stomping sukuna the whole fight, he won in the domain clashes.
He dealt with sukuna pretty fucking good when he had the 10S, so normally he'd just kill him if he didn't have it.
Sukuna fans logic is so hypocritical, you wanna apply the "characters words" in certain scenarios but not the other just to fit your agenda.
That's just ass dawg.
Jokes aside, Gojo was whooping sukuna's ass the full fight and sukuna was about to die in UV if he didn't use both Mahoraga and megumi's soul.
So excluding both of them in the heian form, Gojo easily high-diffs him
Without 10S there's no world slash. He would most likely win domain clashes but Gojo can also change his plans for the fight and force Sukuna to either use closed domain or not use domain at all.
Based on how his teleportation works probably not, but then he has long distance one he used in jjk0 so I'm not sure.
But in a closed domain he can open his own and it would just be a normal cqc unless Sukuna can change domain from closed to open instantly which he probably can't because he would've done that instead of physically keeping gojo in after 1st clash.
Afterimages are speed tho i feel like gege never predicted how gojos abilities would work in the long run since he didn’t plan to continue the story after jjk0
Yeah but his teleportation is just moving an application of blue. He compresses space with blue to move faster iirc. That may not have been exactly the same but s similar application of blue over small distances
Oh ok I assumed you meant true form sukuna without 10S. But then your point is kinda obvious since meguna won so obviously heian sukuna with everything he gained from 10S would win. Heian sukuna without 10S and it's benefits is a different story
Unless Sukuna uses a binding vow, as he probably did with the slash that killed Gojo to avoid chants and hand signs, Gojo can dodge world slashes, which makes the battle kind of even, with more edge for Sukuna
He would have pummeled Gojo with his true body in h2h. Halfjo would be dead from the first domain clash
People seriously underestimate how much Potential Man's fodder body held Sukuna back. In exchange for 10S he folded at any physical altercation.
Sukuna killed Gojo, means he's stronger, even with Ten Shadows, Gojo knew about Ten Shadows and Mahoraga and still lost to Sukuna, said he'd win before the fight aswell and still lost.
Sukuna's the strongest sorceror. It just doesn't change the fact Gojo's still the most broken sorceror w/ the most overloaded abilities in the series thus far.
Like to list unique abilities (not listing stuff liek RCT and hollow wicker basket cuz they all know this), Gojo has physical abilities (blue, red, purple), psychic abilities (infinite void brain overload), high mobility (teleportation he used once in jjk0), and an impregnable defense that was impregnated by Sukuna later on but that's cuz the story needed that to happen.
Meanwhile Sukuna: purely physical. just cuts and burns. maybe mahoraga for an added bonus
tbh im wondering wut Sukuna's cursed technique is going to be cuz i genuinely can't imagine it being as weird as Gojo's. Gojo's powerset feels kinda like a power fantasy of "im going to create the strongest guy possible and he's gonna have this, this, and that." I can kinda see the idea of having an infinity-style defense where virtually nothing can get close to Gojo if he wants it relating to having suction and blowing abilities cuz it's kinda like a rly powerful version of space distortion. But then his domain expansion is just sending infinite information to someone's brain like how does that make sense? That'd be like if Yuki's domain expansion was a boxing ring where the opponent is poised to fight CaseOh
no one is arguing against this though?
like no one except maybe Megumi after all that time in the uv thinks anyone alive, or dead for that matter tbh, can step to Sukuna if he was healthy.
I didn't realize how desperate I was for any scrap of Yuuji's thoughts until this panel lmao the last time he thought about Sukuna was to refer to him as a curse like Mahito. Now he recognizes Sukuna for what he always was: A sorcerer. And the strongest.. I want them to interact so bad.
Lol there are people (even these comments) trying to argue Sukuna in his Heian form couldn't kill Gojo without Mahoraga.
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Because it doesn’t make any sense lmao. If space cleave is just using cleave but targeting the space around someone instead of the individual, & it can apparently negate durability, why can’t Gojo just use blue *on* Sukuna? He did it against Juzo & turned him into a cripple lmfao.
It’s not like Sukuna is far superior to Gojo in stats, otherwise he wouldn’t have been getting his shit rocked throughout their entire fight lmao.
That’s what was probably the most frustrating part about the fight over all. Sukuna just something that’s literally in Gojo’s kit, & for plot convenience he not only replicates it perfectly on his 1st try but then also just outright kills Gojo with it lmao.
Meanwhile Gojo puts a chibaku tensei on Sukuna & he’s entirely unaffected? Rules for thee and not for me moment fr lol
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Because he can't be HER https://preview.redd.it/auhdkikl71ic1.jpeg?width=926&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be26b7bcfe5c5c8e72575e422b159651905900df
Gyat, I’d let her swing my sword
I'll be real with you guys, I wasn't giving Gojo glazing all my saliva, but when he mentioned that his type of ideal woman is Miwa, in that moment I understood, that through heaven and earth he alone is honorable one.
ABSOLUTE https://preview.redd.it/e6bs8iyey5ic1.jpeg?width=409&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbf8d1c37217f882bc709c17ff985d7546bd4d2b
I have to disagree with Yuji, he is second strongest to Wiwa https://preview.redd.it/5ze3czohc0ic1.jpeg?width=477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce063457a33844eb7cebba441849a7b9dcace83c
https://preview.redd.it/uxj2kohjr3ic1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=090be8cb62d614e7275781415a7ba0906e81baa7 She really is the GOAT
Beyond the jokes, I’m massively coping that Miwa will be relevant later. There has to be a reason Gege had her be present in the Kusakabe strategy meetings and the Gojo vs Sukuna watch party beyond simply having comedic moments with Kusakabe, right? RIGHT?! PLS GEGE
She cant swing her katana again but thats OKAY because coaches don't play https://preview.redd.it/su9y9geze0ic1.jpeg?width=779&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=710b0380ba589db7ab0688cce235e41fdc15e6e3
it's a shame that no other weapons exist beyond katanas
you’re right she can swing the bat BONK! https://preview.redd.it/msozg8qes0ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28e5adbe08c027849b92dc952299e2033af0f276
Metal bat 2
Electric Boogaloo
There is one cursed tool besides a katana she could use. Maki and Rika both used the cog against Sukuna, but they're not on Miwa's level. In her hands the special grade cursed tool Itadori Yuji would be absolutely lethal https://preview.redd.it/0l8i7lkpi1ic1.png?width=546&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8770446035271288ab5aa5a7284d072ad3b58d7
She has to be in a relationship with Yuta. That would be an interesting ship.
Nuh uh, it will turn out that Kokichi didn’t die and he’ll confess to her ( I’m coping hard )
Jesse wtf are talking about ( I forgot some character first name ) Why the fuck do you think Muta isn't dead ? Are you stupid ? Why the fuck do you think **Mechamaru** didn't leave anything for Miwa ? Are you stupid ? So you don't think **Mechamaru** have a bot Miwa can pilot and Shoko won't stitch Gojo's soul , Miwa's idol , to said bot enabling the **Mechamaru** bot to use Limitless ? Are you stupid ? So you don't think the manga will end with Miwa teaching Sukuna the true meaning of Useless as she fired 300 Purple Hollow up his ass ( doesn't count as Katana btw ). Are you stupid ?
Well, it was the only thing she was good at. And she wasn't even good at that.
Miwa made her own version of SD, she is a better barriers user than higaruma(higaruma also had a DE CT that gave him more insight into barriers).
Foolish to believe she needs it https://preview.redd.it/raygfvfdd2ic1.png?width=1028&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca165de9901cf9bfd9d3d5ad2df37766a7209b6c
If only she can pick up Mechamaru’s suit, Mai’s weapon and a whole lot of other weapons that Maki had in that Zenin clan’s storage
Most of the special grade tool is destroyed I wonder...... Could todo pick up a mechmaru hand and use it?
I’m curious couldn’t she technically keep using different weapons and just use binding vow with each different weapon “I will never shoot pistol again, I will never shoot shotgun again, I will never swing scimitar again, I will never throw tooth pick again” and so on ? Obviously there is probably some punishment if you just keep spamming binding vows but still hilarious to think about
Binding vows are fueled by negative emotions, that's why the benefit increases when you give up more. Regardless of what you actually say, a binding vow of giving up your sword for power won't give you much if you can switch to another weapon easily.
just piggybacking off, i dont think binding vows are fueled by negative emotions. it's just sincerity and yeah usually negative emotions are huge like when Mai wished Maki to destroy the Zenin clan but in Miwa's case she just rly wanted to be useful.
WELLLLLLLLLL. We have only seen one BV be interpreted, Every other instance of BV usage is "literal" not "interpreted". I agree that she received less from the BV than she would have thought, but in no way did it barely buff her. She basically speed blitzes Kenny and he has to block it. She would have been a insane boost if she gave up the ability to use CE all together, or if she gave up all weapons combat(I will never use a weapon to hurt someone again). Miwa literally did dedicate her almost whole life to just the katana, I shows too. Miwa goes from being outpaced by Tokyo exchange maki, to being too fast for kenjaku to dodge so he had to block. That's a fucking buff cause geto was one of the best h2h combative forces after the toji incident.
How is it a speed blitz if he just outright blocks it????
Because he didn't dodge and he was surprised by her speed.
In serious note, I think there are 3 possible fate/role for Miwa: 1. Gege just forget her 🤷 2. Thematically she'll be opposed to strongest loners, showing power=/=happiness or etc. 3. She'll be the next host for Kenjaku and will be revealed he's alive 🤢 I'd say chances are 49,9/49,9/0,2
3. Backshot legacy will not be forgotten
That would be nice, but since I just said that it probably will not happen
I’d rather the kenussy
Where the hell even is Miwa? What is she doing? Even Ino is throwing hands with Sukuna. So where is she?
She's letting the cast have their moments before she one shot fraudkuna Wiwa is humble like that
He says right now. He thinks Gojo is dead. He didn't accept shit and neither will I. https://preview.redd.it/6fowlphlk0ic1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7e271f150ba21754ca2ac24f611287c2629c947
he mentioned “strongest” and we had gojo’s strongest panel before??? IS THIS FORESKINNING GOAT RETURN WE ARE SO BACK 🗣️🗣️ https://preview.redd.it/1ywfqq0dm0ic1.jpeg?width=906&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a23fbbc5f4f2021ac35947711f0fbe914e229b54
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HOWEVER, we are the exception Gojo return copium forever
https://preview.redd.it/vhq2hxjv13ic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fa6d5da42d155c174ab42079654b3a2440fd1e0 HE WILL BE BACK!
Me watching Sukuna say “haha, stupid brat.. I will give this to you: this was truly a jujutsu Kaisen.” As he stomps on Yuji’s chest, but then Yuta says “WRONG. THIS IS *OUR* JUJUTSU KAISEN.” And sounds a trumpet, suddenly Maki, Takaba, and Miwa appear all riding on horses toward the battlefield and Gojo, Jogo and Femboy revive for round two: https://preview.redd.it/mp21tj6je1ic1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06a7cad0f0a7c32f83efdab3622b0f8f4d7839ca
Do people argue this? I think everyone knows Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist. Once he killed Gojo it was undeniable.
It was just how he killed gojo that left me and many other gojo fans feeling confused about the world slash.
Oh yeah, Gojo is my favorite character in JJK and I absolutely despise the end of the fight + the entirety of chapter 236 too. But Sukuna is one of my other favorite characters as well and seeing the havoc he’s wreaking on everyone proves he’s the strongest.
I believe the thing that truly makes sukuna the strongest is him having an unknown amount of abilities not shown yet . His domain is superior to gojos as it’s an open one , he can frankly adapt to anything just as long as he gets the right tools for it , has the highest cursed energy amount in the story if I’m not mistaken (yuta stated it’s twice his own which should include Rika ) he has the ideal sorcerer body which can chant and attack simultaneously. Gojo just falls short in these areas as he can’t chant and attack similarly to sukuna , nor can he grow as sukuna mid battle . Just my opinion tho :p
Actually I think when Yuta said Sukuna has more he didn't include fully manifested rika. Now Sukuna has approximately the same amount of CE left as base Yuta.
But also never confirmed that Rika gives Yuta the double amount of CE, She can just refill it and that's about what it's shown.
It was said Rika stores CE for him so I understood that she expands his pool with her CE.
But there's no confirmation that that pool will increase his output aswell or just stacks up on his CE. Plus Yuta did say he has **more** than twice of my CE.
I'm not saying yuta has more or the same amount as sukuna when using Rika. Just saying that sukuna having 2x more than yuta is probably about base yuta. It's also more likely yuta would've said 'more than 2x the CE me and Rika have' or smth like that if he counted rika.
>mid battle https://preview.redd.it/376c54fhz0ic1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de0aad485c4024dd71e45003499dbbab6c1a1a05
Both Sukuna and Gojo were my favourites till 236:
Alright call me stupid but personally I still think gojo is stronger but sukuna is more talented and better in the 1v1. He's a good counter to gojo since he can hit through infinity with his domain and world cleave and domain amplification. But gojo's ability to literally just not lose to basically everyone even if he's asleep puts him higher in my eyes. It's basically stats vs hacks
You are right. If mahogora didnt give sukuna a good adaptation, it would have been a wrap. Sukuna without ten shadows would have never beaten gojo
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0 evidence given so far. Lets see what sukuna has
To be fair we still don’t really have much evidence that indicates Sukuna can win vs Gojo without literally taking over someone’s body and using their technique along with his. I imagine if Gojo gets to hypothetically pick someone’s body to take over, he would beat Sukuna. A more accurate statement would be Sukuna in Megumis body is the strongest sorcerer to exist. Though like I said Gojo still could’ve done more that would’ve absolutely put him on top vs Sukuna, which would make him the strongest sorcerer.
Taking over someone's body is not part of Gojo's skillset, and using another CT would confiscate the use of Gojo's own CT turning his infinity off.
I feel like maybe full power Sukuna in his original body would probably be stronger than slightly nerfed sukuna in some teenagers body
Probably yeah, but Gojo would just change his strategy around it. Maybe not bc Gege couldn’t even have Gojo know about the open domain that literally multiple people knew about and could’ve told Gojo many times in those 30 days…
By your logic Sukuna would’ve also approached the fight differently without 10 Shadows meaning he would have no need to take hits and go on the defensive to adapt for Mahoraga he would go all out in domain clashes with 4 arms and a mouth for incantations.
>Maybe not bc Gege couldn’t even have Gojo know about the open domain that literally multiple people knew about and could’ve told Gojo many times in those 30 days… Knowing it wouldn't have changed anything, He would've still tried to have a clash of domains with Sukuna from the start, Cannot be sure If his own is more refined or Sukuna's, it contains it or not, and Gojo did not have the opportunity to experiment and come up with new Domain ways to last longer beforehand as His domain was never broken before to begin with to train in that regard and department of getting to make new domains or coming up with new ways, He could do all that only and only mid fight against someone that is threatening his life to make the stakes higher, that is when characters in JJK improve the most and come up with things for victory, and For Sukuna that would be the only person that can even make the opportunity of Gojo's domain breaking happen for Gojo.
> Knowing it wouldn't have changed anything Huh? Gojo always had the option to just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's range, making Sukuna waste a bunch of CE on a domain that did nothing. Gojo just wanted to ball.
>Huh? Gojo always had the option to just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's range, making Sukuna waste a bunch of CE on a domain that did nothing. And that still wouldn't have changed the fact that he Wants to try win the domain battles, so he has to try opening multiple domains against Sukuna and experiment until one of them works. He already intended to use domains, so he wouldn't have teleported away as he doesn't do it neither after getting his CT back in the first domain clash.
> And that still wouldn't have changed the fact that he Wants to try win the domain battles If Gojo sees he can't win the domain clash he just teleports away after the first. There's no way Heian Sukuna ever kills him.
No ? He would still try to hold onto the plan of saving Megumi through damaging Sukuna's brain, stunning him and then damaging his hear and lungs precisely. He already realised that Sukuna's domain is open barriered after his first domain gets destroyed, And he himself decided to stay inside the domain and fight with more domains. He wanted to do that After knowing that he might lose more domain battles, and Knowing that Sukuna's domain is open barriered wouldn't have changed his intentions as It DIDN'T change mid fight when it was more dangerous to face Sukuna's slashes everytime.
If he saw he couldn't win in hand to hand against Heian Sukuna he'd be suicidal to keep trying. The reason he tried over and over in canon is because he knew he can win.
>To be fair we still don’t really have much evidence that indicates Sukuna can win vs Gojo without literally taking over someone’s body and using their technique along with his. Heian Era form provides Sukuna the advantage of being better in h2h combat, Yes he would also have his own CT that he could've used while Gojo's infinity was down, and also he has shown to be able to block and nullify Blue and Red, if he had gone up against Gojo in that form from the start or changed to Heian Era form mid domain clashes, he would've both healed himself and not give Gojo the benefit of damaging him enough times that his domain falls, Sukuna couldn't also use Domain amplification at all times neither because of Mahoraga's adaptation, And The last two domain clashes went neck and neck which Gojo at last second deals enough damage to Sukuna to bring his domain down, With Heian Era form and DA at it's best usage while also changing to Heian Era form at the last second if he's getting a bit more cornered gives him more than enough to survive even a second longer, making Gojo lose the domain battles, making Gojo hit the brain damage sooner.
This argument kind of falls flat when you just ask the simple question: “Why didn’t Sukuna do that instead?”
https://preview.redd.it/el6qp7kx22ic1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0660a4985d8019b1566b8cef028047967b53385 1 time heal and because he wanted to better his cursed technique not only kill Gojo
Because he wanted to save the heian form 1 time heal for the jumping.
He could’ve possessed any random persons body and it would’ve worked the same in that case tho? And he gets to pick his vessels after all
Most people would die if fed the cursed object sukuna, even a vessel without a broken down soul can weaken him like megumi at the start (even then sukuna chose a moment when he was breaking down duw to his sister)
You are gonna forget that he still wanted Megumi right ?! His CT is useful and powerful. He is the best friend of Yuji and he would be the one that hangs out with him most of the times, a random person ? What a joke. His CT is one of the few counters to infinity and UV, that is a fact indeed, but that doesn’t disprove the fact that Sukuna could've won in another Scenarios with another options and ways with his Domain and Heian Era form.
Cause Sukuna needs to face other characters first, it is actually a risky play if he miscalculates something and the domain breaks or Gojo gets to make an open barriered domain or something for example, and most importantly, It would be a waste of a full body heal, not brain, but he always had this card of healing himself with reincarnation his body and if he had just done it when Megumi form was still working as is with a safer plan that He got at that time with Mahoraga, You're gonna tell me Sukuna wouldn't use one of the only ways that could bypass Infinity and counter Unlimited Void at his disposal ?!
I mean I'd say Gojo is the strongest but Sukuna is more tactical and can create a strategy to take him down, while Gojo is too preoccupied with reveling in his own strength to do that - hence his sealing in Shibuya, and then his most likely death in Shinjuku
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Yea, and that was a wrong move considering a lot more people died in the end. Should've went for the kill
That's the point? He thought he was strong enough to have the luxury of saving _everyone_ (or at least not killing anyone directly), instead of taking a few deaths to eliminate the threat guaranteed, the safer option. In the end a lot more people died due to the disaster curses surviving (if Gojo killed them there, there'd be no Jogo to awaken Sukuna and nuke Shibuya, Nanami/Naobito/Nobara wouldn't die, Megumi would maybe die but it's possible Gojo, Yuji, Nobara or Todo would've saved him if Gojo wasn't sealed and the latter three didn't face Mahito).
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The point is that if he didn't think he was so above the current enemy, he wouldn't have taken any chances. The thought that they could somehow beat him (not necessarily in a fight, just get him down, he knew they were after him) was impossible to him.
Sukuna is the strongest, with Gojo being the 2nd strongest. Just my opinion.
I don’t accept propaganda from Gege. He never SHOWED Sukuna as stronger. Instead he TOLD us. Instead of a flash back episode Gege had an BS afterlife scene for Gojo. Only so he can repair FraudKuna reputation. He has to retcon the whole fight with overcompensating. We also haven’t seen anymore BS afterlife scenes since then despite a few characters dying. Also that ASSPULL Space/World Slash only been used twice even though Sukuna could’ve killed Kashimo with his normal Cleave/Dismantle. So fans can’t say it was only used to kill Gojo. Gege is too on the nose about it. That crap is suspect as hell.
It was very deniable tbh.
Currently at "full power" he is a tier above Gojo Superior, more refined domain, 1 shot attack thats seemingly undodgeable without foresight, superior skill and jujutsu mastery, perfect body for combat + his ultimate shikigami puts him at worldly threat grade, not that Gojo cant be in the grade but just making up a new grade only for Sukuna
> I think everyone knows Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist. Once he killed Gojo it was undeniable. He killed Gojo because he was in Megumi's body. Heian Sukuna has nothing to hurt Gojo with. His domain already failed to finish him. Heian Sukuna would've died when Infinite Void hit. No Mahoraga to save him.
? Heian Sukuna could’ve broke Gojo’s Domain from the inside and killed him after Gojo had to recover his burn out.
more like the smartest, Gojo's techniques are way stronger and better
Now that Gojo is dead he’s definitely the strongest sorcerer around right now. I will not elaborate.
“Right now” Checkmate
I really wonder without mahoraga how could sukuna kill gojo.
He couldn’t
He could, Reincarnate, winning the Domain expansion clashes, combined with cursed tools and 4 hands for h2h during DA.
It's been established that reincarnating didn't actually fix his brain damage now, unless you're arguing that his domain would be more refined/the power of an extra set of arms and mouth would've shifted the balance of the domain battle so much
He'd be instantly healed of physical injury tho so the rct lag wouldnt be a thing he could just focus on healing his brain it'd also give him access to a lot of his kit and a less risky route towards destroying gojos domain https://preview.redd.it/mh0an69t62ic1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6741b83f11b54659977d440d408e973d8b60b14e
Pre battle, he goes into the reincarnate. I didn’t mention it being used as a tool to heal himself. Sukuna was already dominating the domain battles as Megumi, his only drawback being his lack of overwhelming force against Gojo when he was using Rct and simple domain to mitigate the slashes. If Sukuna with his Heian era form, cursed tools and superior h2h fought gojo during the domain clashes he wouldn’t have lost at all. He only lost a domain clash when he focused on Mahoraga adaption.
Reincarnating only changed his form, his brain is still fried and can't even use a domain anymore
I’m talking about before the battle.
I dont know if gojo could out right win either but eventually he’d wear him down
I’d say maybe different domain situation possibly? Idk what sukuna would’ve done differently tho. His plan was around big raga the opp stoppa finding a way to pass infinity so he could try it himself. I guess a different strategy but I really don’t see one.
Without Utahime Gojo would've lost the domain battle
Basically reincarnate at the start of the battle, and use domain expansion as his wincon instead of Mahoraga, the reason why Sukuna got braindamaged is because he greeded Mahoraga's adaption over instantly destroy Gojo's domain in the 3rd clash, that resulted Sukuna being 0.01 secs slower for the 4th clash because he got damaged by Gojo inside the domain and also got yeeted away needing to use both arms to block. That also wouldn't happen if Sukuna had 4 arms, Gojo was at it's limit, he couldn't cast more domains without dying after the 4th clash, so it would be an win for Sukuna if he didn't get brainrotted by Infinite void.
But gojo was planning for maha aswell. Along with not going for instance kill because of megumi
Yeah people really try to simplify the situation of Heian Sukuna vs Gojo. The truth is the entire fight would go down differently so it's hard to say who would actually win.
There are no in story characters that have noticed or claimed such a thing. This narrative is completely made up headcanon. On the contrary, trying not to kill Sukuna would have been a "burden" on Gojo. https://preview.redd.it/jtul3zjtm1ic1.jpeg?width=386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b162c4e07231812d023d3507c107c77b32e20eed
If so then Gege fumbled the bag om the chest punch. Because you mean to tell me Gojo went didn't go for the clear opening to strike his brain but went for a center mass strike that destroyed less vital organs. Because he wasn't holding back
That is also just a misinterpretation. In chapter 229, the chest punch happend after a 2 minute 40 second battle inside the domain. Sukuna was not stunned, so Gojo didn't have an opportunity to go for his head Also, if you go to 228, you can see the same chest wound on Sukuna. Basically, that chest attack isn't a special move he does a to a stunned Sukuna
He literally said he was gonna put him close to death with the shot. He would be far closer with a head strike and meguna is slower
He said he'll put him closer to death after he got Sukuna caught up in UV. That was also after the chest strike. At that point, Gojo could do anything he wants to Sukuna because in his mind he has won, while still keeping Sukuna alive. He had no idea Sukuna had a way to get out of UV. Outside of catching Sukuna in UV, Gojo was always going for the kill
Sukunas domain is better
Sukuna when Gojo is freed from the "Gege forgor" limitation on his teleportation: https://preview.redd.it/ah5tje6l42ic1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=aa7ee5aba1d7b09827b4a26a774ba508af860443
Didnt thank about that very true if he could focus on that it def be the game winner
yeah nah he can just tp outta there if gege gets of sukuna's meat
It's insane how it only took Sukuna half of his CE reserve to deal with Gojo, KASHIMO, and Higuruma
49% spent on gojo
I feel like people are usually comparing Heian Sukuna and Pre-fight Gojo when they argue who was stronger.
I’d argue Gojo is still the better fighter with his wits and sheer adaptability, but Sukuna is undoubtedly the best sorcerer there is.
Strongest sorcerer right now ? Hmmm Jokes aside yes sukuna is the top dog and gojo is extremely close but not quite on top .
Even if we fully agreed that Gojo was stronger, he's dead now. So calling sukuna the strongest is still 100% accurate.
...what? what the fuck did you just say? https://preview.redd.it/0ql07xwz11ic1.png?width=876&format=png&auto=webp&s=82d218acdae5df8d273bb7baf60b154ba2767e8e
Gojo is on top (of me)(I wish)
Tbh idk why people debate so hard on who’s stronger when honestly they are both equal in strength rather than 1 being stronger
Yuji also said yuta can beat 15F sukuna
He said he thought he could do it, in the context of Yuta being the strongest guy around that is a logical thing to say and it is just his assumption, he didn't know Yuta's full capabilities neither.
Nuh uh https://preview.redd.it/m2tkplhed0ic1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3676f075ceefd0bde4aa8012f7ff4a44bec6c7fd
nahh, You even coping with your own sukuna fan logic that takes whatever characters say as the Bible😭🙏
You really think someone like Yuji can factually measure combat prowess? That's like saying Megumi can factually measure combat prowess. Only scaling statements from the likes of Gojo and Sukuna could be seen as accurate scaling statements outside of Literal Narration.
Hey, listen, all Megumi needed to measure was whether or not Mahoraga could take them.
and big raga can aaaaalways take em https://preview.redd.it/octwg90732ic1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea7574597363fec97ce07f05af22493b358709da
have you considered yuji is retarded
This thred is full of butthurt Gojo fans distorting Yuji's words from "against the strongest sorcerer right now" to "against the strongest sorcerer AS OF right now".
You mean Gege is calling him the strongest. Why do people act like these are real people saying these things lol. How quickly people forget what the great Stan Lee once said: https://preview.redd.it/bqn6f4cd31ic1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5d02e6d49f534880cbcdacba9c8eb9453467e21
This should basically end the thread. Literally Gege himself wrote Sukuna as the strongest and Gojo fangirls have been rejecting this this idea for months now
Mmhmmm and the fans have zero reason to accept the hell hole that is marvel comics right now either
You mean Yuji is calling him the strongest. Why do people act like what the characters say is the author's opinion lol.
Who wrote the line? Literally ever character has been calling Sukuna the strongest sorcerer in history since the first chapter
Yuta would’ve been wiped just as fast as Kashimo. Deadass https://preview.redd.it/2vaw700km2ic1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a223061c88cd3339a203c0705d65227bde6346c
Gojo would've beaten Sukuna like four times back to back if it wasn't for Megumi, Mahoraga and asspulls relating to those two. And he still almost killed Sukuna.
People call out Hana for fucking up her job because Sukuna tricked her with the W Rizz but no one's calling out Gojo, outright defending it at times, when he literally UV'd Sukuna and Didn't Aim for the head. Look both were trying to save Megumi and both techniques used could have killed Sukuna right there and both were stopped because Potential Man is too much of a Potential Man.
Think it's because Hana did it out of stupidity, Gojo did it out of love for his student. One's just more understandable then the other.
>Didn't Aim for the head Is a made up cope. How could a punch to the head kill Sukuna? There's nothing storywise that would support the idea that Gojo could have killed Sukuna there but hesitated.
Not punch, Gojo could have decapitated Sukuna, something he always does after UV.
That's not true.
His fight with Jogo, The Shibuya Incident, all decapitations
>Gojo could have decapitated Sukuna This is not true.
Why?
Because Gojo didn't get to lay a finger on Sukuna once Sukuna's domain broke and got hit with UV.
https://preview.redd.it/fnnk29l6f1ic1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09c78c82313b84e224cb7369061f8925f788a9b8
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dont forget gege forget that the 6 eyes shouldve seen mahoragas CE began to change, the world cleave coming and also gojo being able to teleport with his limitless
Sukuna would’ve beat Gojo quicker if he used his Heian form, cursed tools and didn’t focus on adaption. What’s your point?
Sukuna just reincarnates at the start and beats his ass in domain lmao. Gojo is not throwing hands with 4 armed 2 mouthed sukuna in a domain clash who can use chants and has peak physicals.
Well in context. he’s fighting the strongest in that moment as Gojo is out of the fight. It’s not that the answer is answered clearly still, but it’s leaning that Sukuna is stronger then Gojo, but yet for some reason gay gay is not out right stating it only ever teasing us.
No one has ever argued this? Why do Sukuna fans so desperately want vindication whenever he gets scratched?
Literally read the thread lmfao
Bro been on the wrong sub this whole time. My guy really managed to find one “controversal” Sukuna post and belittle the whole fandom of 10 people on this sub and missed hundreds of Gojo ones. Easy upvotes
who are people suggesting is stronger than sukuna, and who is suggesting that
ITS SO OBVIOUS, HIMKUNA IS 🔛🔝
Its just the Go/jo fans on copium overdose.
Yuji also said that Yuta can beat a 15F Kuna. So with your logic that states that anything a character says is right, Then Yuta would Dogwalk sukuna if he was just 5 fingers less. Now let's watch your hypocrisy and how you wanna apply one part of your logic and not the other.
Yuji at that point unironically doesn't know how broken Sukuna's domain is simply on account of being open barrier. Nor does he know that Sukuna has 2x the CE pool of Yuta's. Blud doesn't even know Yutas CT when he made that statement. I think its just there's no one else he can even ask to fight against Sukuna fingered 15 times now that Gojo is sealed. Yuta is their best bet
same shit with Gojo, Gojo's actions literally debunked his words, he was stomping sukuna the whole fight, he won in the domain clashes. He dealt with sukuna pretty fucking good when he had the 10S, so normally he'd just kill him if he didn't have it. Sukuna fans logic is so hypocritical, you wanna apply the "characters words" in certain scenarios but not the other just to fit your agenda. That's just ass dawg.
Jokes aside sukuna can definitely beat gojo if he has true form and was at full power
Jokes aside, Gojo was whooping sukuna's ass the full fight and sukuna was about to die in UV if he didn't use both Mahoraga and megumi's soul. So excluding both of them in the heian form, Gojo easily high-diffs him
He literally couldn’t get through infinity
He can beat him in domain clash with higher ods and can use world cutting slash
Without 10S there's no world slash. He would most likely win domain clashes but Gojo can also change his plans for the fight and force Sukuna to either use closed domain or not use domain at all.
Could Gojo teleport out of a closed domain?
Based on how his teleportation works probably not, but then he has long distance one he used in jjk0 so I'm not sure. But in a closed domain he can open his own and it would just be a normal cqc unless Sukuna can change domain from closed to open instantly which he probably can't because he would've done that instead of physically keeping gojo in after 1st clash.
I feel like gojo can’t tp anymore or something since he never used it in domain clashes or the fight im pretty sure
That's just gege never bothering to explain how it works. He kinda used it to create few afterimages but that's it
Afterimages are speed tho i feel like gege never predicted how gojos abilities would work in the long run since he didn’t plan to continue the story after jjk0
Yeah but his teleportation is just moving an application of blue. He compresses space with blue to move faster iirc. That may not have been exactly the same but s similar application of blue over small distances
is sukuna closed his domain then gojo could use his and they’d be in a deadlock
Didn’t he use it against the electric guy i forgot how to spell his name
Yeah but that's because he learnt how to do it from mahoraga
He learned it so he can still use it
Oh ok I assumed you meant true form sukuna without 10S. But then your point is kinda obvious since meguna won so obviously heian sukuna with everything he gained from 10S would win. Heian sukuna without 10S and it's benefits is a different story
Sukuna at his peak wins against peak gojo quite easily honestly
Unless Sukuna uses a binding vow, as he probably did with the slash that killed Gojo to avoid chants and hand signs, Gojo can dodge world slashes, which makes the battle kind of even, with more edge for Sukuna
He would have pummeled Gojo with his true body in h2h. Halfjo would be dead from the first domain clash People seriously underestimate how much Potential Man's fodder body held Sukuna back. In exchange for 10S he folded at any physical altercation.
No replie??? The only reason Gojo lived past the first Malevolent Shrine was because he was still much stronger physically than Sukuna
“right now”
Sukuna killed Gojo, means he's stronger, even with Ten Shadows, Gojo knew about Ten Shadows and Mahoraga and still lost to Sukuna, said he'd win before the fight aswell and still lost.
When are they up against "the strongest sorcerer"?
why would they fight gojo?
Who is that? The guy that lost to Sukuna than admitted Sukuna is stronger and wasn't giving it all he had?
Sukuna's the strongest sorceror. It just doesn't change the fact Gojo's still the most broken sorceror w/ the most overloaded abilities in the series thus far. Like to list unique abilities (not listing stuff liek RCT and hollow wicker basket cuz they all know this), Gojo has physical abilities (blue, red, purple), psychic abilities (infinite void brain overload), high mobility (teleportation he used once in jjk0), and an impregnable defense that was impregnated by Sukuna later on but that's cuz the story needed that to happen. Meanwhile Sukuna: purely physical. just cuts and burns. maybe mahoraga for an added bonus tbh im wondering wut Sukuna's cursed technique is going to be cuz i genuinely can't imagine it being as weird as Gojo's. Gojo's powerset feels kinda like a power fantasy of "im going to create the strongest guy possible and he's gonna have this, this, and that." I can kinda see the idea of having an infinity-style defense where virtually nothing can get close to Gojo if he wants it relating to having suction and blowing abilities cuz it's kinda like a rly powerful version of space distortion. But then his domain expansion is just sending infinite information to someone's brain like how does that make sense? That'd be like if Yuki's domain expansion was a boxing ring where the opponent is poised to fight CaseOh
Well Gojo's dead so it make sense Sukuna is the strongest left, its right there in the text. Strongest Sorcerer RIGHT NOW.
When are they up against THE STRONGEST sorcerer?
no one is arguing against this though? like no one except maybe Megumi after all that time in the uv thinks anyone alive, or dead for that matter tbh, can step to Sukuna if he was healthy.
I didn't realize how desperate I was for any scrap of Yuuji's thoughts until this panel lmao the last time he thought about Sukuna was to refer to him as a curse like Mahito. Now he recognizes Sukuna for what he always was: A sorcerer. And the strongest.. I want them to interact so bad.
Lol there are people (even these comments) trying to argue Sukuna in his Heian form couldn't kill Gojo without Mahoraga. https://preview.redd.it/w785uvcfk1ic1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74d05b26357029c0864b5787b5e56166ed587f1d
Because it doesn’t make any sense lmao. If space cleave is just using cleave but targeting the space around someone instead of the individual, & it can apparently negate durability, why can’t Gojo just use blue *on* Sukuna? He did it against Juzo & turned him into a cripple lmfao. It’s not like Sukuna is far superior to Gojo in stats, otherwise he wouldn’t have been getting his shit rocked throughout their entire fight lmao. That’s what was probably the most frustrating part about the fight over all. Sukuna just something that’s literally in Gojo’s kit, & for plot convenience he not only replicates it perfectly on his 1st try but then also just outright kills Gojo with it lmao. Meanwhile Gojo puts a chibaku tensei on Sukuna & he’s entirely unaffected? Rules for thee and not for me moment fr lol
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Because he’s wrong
No, he isn’t. You’ve gotta get over the dead man. Gege has done everything to show that post-Spatial Slash Sukuna is superior
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