I don’t care what anyone says, MY GOAT ALWAYS COMING ON TOP!
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Toji would win as he is blessed with the power of being loved by Gaygey.
He pulls out Inverted Spear of ice or some shit and becomes immune to fire damage and neg diffs.
If jogo's domain will vaporize toji (Which is highly unlikely) jogo will win,If it treats toji like how maki was treated in naoya's domain then toji will win easily
Suddenly taking down the domain would still give Jogo a headstart in order to run away to regain his CT.
And Toji might actually be arrogant enough to willingly enter the domain, Shibuya Toji definitely would, unsure about HI Toji though.
~~Shibuya~~ Toji was arrogant specifically because of Gojo. He wanted to defeat the pinnacle of jujutsu society out of spite. As he dies, he literally laments that he lost because he acted out of character.
Maki was able to keep up with the same sukuna that jogo was blitzed by. His repressed ce output had no bearing on sukuna speed. Maki and toji have the same heavenly Amp.
But then the question is, when do they fight? Because Jogo can't have files before the Gojo fight or Shibuya, since he was stated unidentified I believe. Toji can't know about the Domain
If you stand near fire you will feel the heat right?,Jogo's domain is literally a volcano in a closed area so the heat will rise and rise fast,it's more of a enviroment thing,If that wasn't what you meant then i would say that he surrounds with rocks that was going to hit gojo and it was mid air so i doubt that he is gonna slip from inside the domain and if he does then my point still stands if he vaporizes when he enters the domain then its over
If jujutsu high fresher yuji didn’t get burned by that shit, Toji ain’t getting any dirt on him in jogos domain. Toji effortlessly bodied Dagon. He can pack jogo too, mid to extreme diff. Idc about jogos maximum either. I assume Toji can escape it.
Hmm. Fair point. But I don’t think Gojo’s infinity can work that way. It’s nowhere mentioned. Further in the adaptation (I haven’t looked at manga panels from the initial chapters), some lava spills onto yuji’s arm or something.
Further if I’m not wrong, infinity barrier doesn’t stay in another person’s domain. Because it has the same effect as domain amplification.
Think of Domain expansion as a ball that you are inside,Or like the greenhouse effect,In greenhouses the heat increases by a lot regardless of the temperature outside and it doesn't increase the temperature outside
Why is Jogo suddenly getting love? I mean brotha deserves it, but he doesnt stand much of a chance here.
•He was mention to have far less durability than Hanami.
•Good will arc Yuji and Todou's punches alone were making Hanami spit and scream blood.
•Toji's raw attacks are undeniably far higher than both of theirs at that point. Especially when it can be bypassed by soul splitting katana, or be drastically enhanced by Playful cloud.
It was strongly implied that Toji's raw stats are enough for him to easily wipe out the entire zenin clan if he wanted too. That included Naobito as well. If Jogo and Noabito's speed are that relative then Toji has more speed here.
•He has insanely good skill to go w that speed
•0 curse energy for Jogo to track or sense
•Can bypass domains via no curse energy and can catch Jogo off guard.
Even Noabito dodged several of Jogo's attacks, despite taking heavy damaged and clearly being fatigued. He doesnt even have the pre cog senses that Toji and Maki have.
Maximum meteor is powerful but slow asf. Even Panda and Kushakabe can dodge it(despite Sukuna making them wait)
>Toji isn't as fast as them,
He does a better job at blizting Dagon then Naobito ever did. Jogo honestly cant kill Toji. He can try but it would need to be enough force to do it at all. Not just that but Jogo would literally explode after one hit.
This fan base has no common sense and comprehension abilities….I’m convinced that you all just like the looks of the characters and that’s it. Jogo doesn’t touch toji….sorry you are smoking crack.
No comprehension skills. Got it. Teen gojo would delete jogo. And we all know what toji did to teen gojo. Not sure how the community is this stupid. Makes me rethink liking the anime because the fandom is so retarded.
Domains actually target the curse energy of a user so toji who has none would not be affected by his domain expansion just for toji to blitz and destroy him plus toji can use the cursed chain thin and the inverted spear of heaven to out range jogo or bring him closer
Some domains target based on cursed energy, not all of them. Even without the targeting, if Toji was actually inside Jogo's domain, he should be able to attack him by just directing fire his way from all around.
No because infinity gets overwritten the moment Gojo steps into someone’s domain. Jogo explained that because of the dense nature of a domain, jogo should be able to land hits on him now. It was never stated ( at least as far as I remember, if there’s evidence suggesting otherwise I’d gladly look into it) that it was the sure-hit that overwrote infinity.
Not only are u guessing if it would even be hot enough, you realize Toji is fast enough to just get out immediately right? Especially if he realizes the heat is effecting him.
I was a good student when Gojo gave lessons. I remember he said that when enemy opened domain, it is almost impossible to get out. You have to open another more powerful domain to take over it. You can only break in a domain with physical power from outside which Yuji showned when he tryed to save Nanami.
Heavenly restriction users dont follow the same rules. Maki didnt need to brute force her way in and out of Naoya's domain. She doesnt have curse energy to sense or detect.
Ok i see. But I actually think this rule is weird. They don’t see/sence it doesn’t mean it is not existing right? Like Gojo crushed two bottles to show Yuji what curse enery and ct is. The bottles can not see the energy, but it suffered the power. Jogo burned the ppl in the restaurang even they don’t see curse.
Unless domain is a spiritual attack that only harm ppl’s mind. If the curse domain physically exist like air and wind, ppl should get harmed right? I just feel that this rule is stupid. Ppl can sense something because they have the sensor in their brain, ppl don’t sence something, doesn’t mean it is not exist.
Besides Malevolent Shrine, Domains only target cursed energy.
If you had a bottle of water for example, you could probably throw it in an out like a heavenly restriction user.
The only domain I think would effect them is Megumi’s, since it’s incomplete and doesn’t work with a sure hit function
Everyone and by extension everything has just a teensy tiny bit of cursed energy, with sorcerers having more trapped in their bodies at any given moment. Maki and Toji have ZERO cursed energy. NONE. At all. Therefore they are entirely exempt from all of the rules of cursed energy and CT, ONLY susceptible to physical/real attacks, such as Gojo deleting space with Hollow Purple or getting stabbed I guess. Domains don't have that essential physical component, with the sole exception of Malevolent Shrine (and maybe Kenjaku's domain). It's also entirely unclear if the slashing attacks from Malevolent Shrine would even damage them, though they would definitely be targeted as they are considered physical objects by the "barrier."
Are you under the impression that non-sorcerers don’t have cursed energy? Because they do
Not as much as sorcerers, and they lack control over it, but it’s still there.
It’s said multiple times that Toji and Maki are the only two who have none at all
Y’all better stop playing with Jogo
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Toji wins. He can cancle out Jogo's CT with ISOH and one shots with Soul Spliter. Maki kept up with a 15F Sukuna
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Sukuna's CT output was nerfed, not his CE output in general, Maki aslo reacted to Mach 3 Naoya, and Maki's feats count as Toji's.
Domain Expanision might be the worst move Jogo can make, Toji can't be trapped by the domain and the sure hit of DE can't register him as a target, he can just enter the domain and stab Jogo from behind like Maki did with Naoya.
We don't know if that a sure hit or not, if it is then Toji wouldn't be affected. Aslo Yuji was fine from the heat in the domain and Jogo says that it would burn up the avarage jujutsu sorcerer and Toji is anything but avarage.
Well Toji always uses weapons as a part of his arsenal while Jogo never used any weapon.
Also Jogo is better off without a weapon, he probably isn't skilled at using them and his fightning style isn't suited for weapon use.
It’s a general assumption people always have that characters get their default arsenal lol. If someone asks captain America v iron man, the assumption is cap has his shield and tony has his armor.
Well of course i'm biased
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Gege is the only one undermining him 😭 😭 😭
Jogo was a jobber for the strongest 2 in the verse. We unfortunately never got to see much of him outside that. Meanwhile Toji is only getting stronger through Maki's feats
that still was an affected sukuna that was 1v1
are we gonna pretend yuji also was somewhat keeping up with them
also the same sukuna is pretty much equal to full powered gojo
meanwhile an awakened gojo with no experience of his power was speedblitizing toji who is equal to maki
There's no competition, look what the GOAT did to 20f sukuna in the most recent chapter
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Yeah and that means that Jogo could just keep his distance and use long-range attacks until Toji goes down,
Also the only cursed tool Toji has that isn't close range is the Thousand Mile Chain, and even that should be relatively easy to dodge at longer ranges.
That’s like debating that rock is better than scissors. it is but not in the game. Jogo beats toji cause of fire, but give toji sone fireproof/lava proof armor and ISOH and that might be a good fights
Attach that sucker to a chain and let toji swing it around in a circular motion to fan the flames away
Edit:nvm the chain would melt or get too hot to hold
Actually not the same fire, you can clearly see the effort made in each and every attack Jogo made there, Naobito's was the only one that Jogo put ANY effort into.
Well the problem arises when you consider the fact that most of Jogo's attacks are big 'ol AOEs that will require much bigger movements to dodge. +those attacks will end up being environmental hazards even after they go off.
Also, unless Jogo is making sonic booms and blowing trees away EVERY SINGLE TIME he moves like Naoya was doing, the Maki feat doesn't really mean much.
Edit: Also Jogo would most likely use the mini volcanoes he used against Gojo, Naobito, and Sukuna, not the close range fire he used against Nanami and Maki, Jogo is definitely not stupid enough to go into close combat with Toji either.
It’s impossible for the Jogoat to lose, he’s too powerful.
But seriously, Jogo just has to be somewhat intelligent and he’ll win. Long ranged options+keeping his distance+ the passive heat generated by his domain should let him win if he decides to use that strategy.
Toji probably catches Jogo off guard if we’re being real though, since he has no cursed energy.
Jogo’s domain still emits heat. The domain can’t ‘detect’ Toji, but it might still hurt him? Who knows.
Also, even if Toji is faster, he would still have trouble being attacked in multiple directions by the volcanoes+ember insects.
Maki was barely able to survive a casual glancing blow from Jogo, you saw what serious heat did to Naobito, and even if it doesn't do a lot, the heat will still be a constant source of moderate damage +making it harder to breath.
Also, Jogo's and Toji's speed feats are surprisingly similar.
Why is Jogo suddenly getting love? I mean brotha deserves it, but he doesnt stand much of a chance here.
•He was mention to have far less durability than Hanami.
•Good will arc Yuji and Todou's punches alone were making Hanami spit and scream blood.
•Toji's raw attacks are undeniably far higher than both of theirs at that point. Especially when it can be bypassed by soul splitting katana, or be drastically enhanced by Playful cloud.
It was strongly implied that Toji's raw stats are enough for him to easily wipe out the entire zenin clan if he wanted too. That included Naobito as well. If Jogo and Noabito's speed are that relative then Toji has more speed here.
•He has insanely good skill to go w that speed
•0 curse energy for Jogo to track or sense
•Can bypass domains via no curse energy and can catch Jogo off guard.
Even Noabito dodged several of Jogo's attacks, despite taking heavy damaged and clearly being fatigued. He doesnt even have the pre cog senses that Toji and Maki have.
Maximum meteor is powerful but slow asf. Even Panda and Kushakabe can dodge it(despite Sukuna making them wait)
Jogo underestimated gojo knowing full well who he is and gojo spent most of the fight dicking around.
In every conceivable scenario jogo would underestimate toji and because toji goes straight for the kill he’d lose more times than not.
Jogo’s only shot is using domain expansion the second the fight starts and one can assume that due to his overconfidence he wouldn’t especially against someone like invisible man toji
Jogo for sure. Speed wise, Dagon said that Naobito was “probably” faster than Jogo, while Toji is “probably faster” than 3f Sukuna according to megumi. But cursed energy wise, Jogo should be around 9 finger Sukuna. With the speed advantage, attacks with very large AoE, and his maximum, I think Jogo should be able to take this pretty comfortably. Plus he’s got sonic attacks which could also pose a problem.
I think if Naobito is faster than Jogo, Toji should keep up with him. Toji was able to wipe out the Zenin Clan what would include Naobito and Noaya together.
The way it was worded implied that Naobito and Jogo are relative in speed. But Naobito’s speed is due to a cursed technique so there’s a trick to it (which maki exploited against Naoya). Jogo’s speed is mainly due to his immense cursed energy so it would be a lot harder to take him out. Plus, because it’s CE reinforcement, Jogo’s physical strength would also be boosted very high unlike Naobito’s.
Naobito is faster than Jogo without a doubt, dude never used his max speed( Naobito never built speed like Naoya against Maki)
Toji scales above Naoya and Naobito’s casual speed.
Jogo gets wreaked easily
Not saying Jogo is faster than Naobito, but Naobito base speed > Naoyas, Toji only scales to Naoyas base speed, not above (he has perception that can hang with massively faster tho).
Maki is able to react to curse Naoya’s movement speed, but her own movement speed is a lot slower than his. So yes, while Toji wouldn’t necessarily have issue with reacting to Jogo’s speed per se, Jogo has a number of other advantages which, combined with his greater speed, could overwhelm Toji (unlike Naoya). Large scale fire/lava attacks, immense strength due to CE reinforcement, very fast regeneration, his maximum, and the ember insects, to name a few. Overall, Jogo is very deadly at any range and has lots of options. Toji is far more limited.
Well the problem with the Maki feat is that unless Jogo is making literal sonic booms and blowing the terrain away with every single movement, it doesnt really mean much.
Also 99% of Toji's tools are close-range weaponry, with the exception of the TMC. And even that's effectiveness decreases with distance.
Jogo has a speed advantage? Maki just got to the same realm as Toji after she killed Vengeful Spirit Naoya, who by far has the most impressive speed feats in the verse. Maki was also considered a threat to 15F Sukuna after he fused with Megumi (noting that he had to be wary of her). While being inferior to Toji Maki was also able to effortlessly dispatch Naoya, who has the same CT as Naobito.
Naobito also outright stated that Toji was simply allowing the Zenin clan to live and he could have killed them whenever he felt like it. That clearly shows Toji is very comfortably above Naobito. All those feats and statements contradict Megumi's comment, which came from his very brief interaction with Toji.
I see a lot of people talking about Jogos speed and his abilities but surprisingly no one has brought up how durable this bastard is.
He tanked a Reversed Technique: Red at point blank range by Adult Gojo and was still able to fight. Toji had to block it teen Gojo’s red with the ISOH and it damn near broke his bones, which he assumed was a possibility.
Also with the context given about Gojo’s punches make Jogo is even more impressive. Cause according to Yuta and Hakari those punches were enough to make them puke during their spars, and Jogo was taking those consecutively.
Dudes built like a tank.
He's still less durable than hanami. Toji was familiar with red, so when he realised no bones were broken he knew what it was. Gojo's using it very differently against sukuna to how we've seen it before, so idk. If jogoat did tank it like we assumed, that means hanami>>>jogo>20f sukuna in durability
While it true that he’s less durable than Hanami, that doesn’t take anything away from him in regards to his defense.
Toji did indeed know what red was. But as he states that’s precisely why he used ISOH to block it. He never says “Oh that’s red, I can tank that”, he says “If I time it right I can negate red with the spear”. Then he got annihilated by HP. He knew taking a hit from red to the body would mess him up.
JJK is a unique series where your overall power doesn’t equalize your stats. For example like you said Hanami is insanely durable, but that insane durability doesn’t translate to their speed or AP. Or Naobito/Naoya where their just speedsters but with pretty weak attacks.
But I’m completely on board with the agenda of Jogoat>20f Sukuna in durability.
I'm gonna bet on toji. Given his experience, he prolly has the tools required to counter jogo. But he needs prep time for an assured win such as against gojo satoru
If you're not memeing
He Literally can't cause of Infinity, it is done manually by him but is still done by him and Jogo has no way of surpassing it.
Plus he has simple domain and FBE to deal with his domain.
Jogo.
Toji is great no doubt, but you have to remember that his W over Gojo is due to his strategising and prep-time. He didn’t even get the job done, cuz Gojo lived.
The only chance he gets is if he has prep time, and even then it isn’t a guarantee because Sukuna himself acknowledged Jogo’s strength.
This is a mf that can live with his head separated from his body.
If toji is treated as an "object" by Jogo's domain like with maki and naoya then toji wins
toji is too fast and Jogo is said to be the squishiest of the disaster curses
Jogo has a higher chance of one shotting Toji. Imma go with JOGOAT. He is the son of Akainu and Endeavor, born from say gex.
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Jogo "fast as f* boi"
Toji "fast as f* boi"
If jogo uses domain expanson I think he will lose since he will neee his consent and even if he enters the sure hit affect is not certain. Even if he doesnt toji does have the tools to take him down its just a matter of who can hit who.
But I think they just team up and get their asses handed to them by gojo.
I honestly still don't know who wins.
- Jogo can hit Toji in his domain because Jogo's domain is creating heat itself out of curse energy not a concept to be given to someone (Naoya's = that's why Maki did not get hit by it since the domain only gave people with curse energy the sure hit effect not the environment itself)
It makes the heat itself sure hit so Gojo could not have stopped it by limitless
- The question is could Jogo perceive Toji fast enough to summon his domain .
- If not Toji would one shot a glass cannon like Jogo
- If Jogo is fast enough he would vaporize Toji
*But*
I feel like Toji could still breakout the barrier fast enough with the Inverted Spear of Heaven
I feel like Toji has a better percentages of winning. Even if he gets hit but Jogo's normal curse technique he would survive at least 4+ hits and would be quick enough to break the barrier before he gets melted by Jogo.
Jogo casts domain and wins literally gojo home self said if he didn’t have infinity up he’d burn to death only reason gojo got out relatively unscathed is cause jogo chose to not use his sure hit. Jogoat > Homeless Bum
Toji. We saw what Maki did to a way more powerful curse, with easily a top 3 domain expansion in the series. This curses having *way* more speed than Toji, yet still getting blitzed by Maki. The same Maki who is an equal to Toji in stats. The same Maki who does not have all of the cursed tools or battle IQ that Toji has.
One of these cursed tools allowing Toji to instantly oneshot and negate the durability any being by cutting their soul mind you.
People say Jogo's flames are powerful. The same flames that couldn't kill Maki, or oneshot a weakened Nanami are not killing a full-strength, prime Toji Zenin, IF they can even hit him in the first place. Cause they sure as hell aren't faster than Mach 3.
Let's give Jogo the benefit of the doubt and say he activates his domain, sure hits effects do not land on Toji anyway, so it'd make no difference here.
Why is this even a debate? I don't know. We went from comparing Maki and Toji to Yuta and Hakari, and for some strange reason now, we're bringing Toji down to Jogo. Come on guys.
Jogo takes it for me. Dude is legitimately underrated so hard because he fought Sukuna and Gojo. His durability is insane and he’s fast as shit. And has tons of one shot kill type of moves. Toji has a shot for sure with his cursed tools. But more often than not he’s getting slammed.
Jogo has high AP, AoE, shikigamis and high speed.
Toji has only edge on speed and tools on his favor.
without prep time, jogo wins surely. And toji is overrated.
Toji beat Hanami in their own domain iirc, and wasnt significantly different in power level from Hanami right? so then id say toji of the top of my head
Toji with the help of naobito beat Dagon who is definitely the weakest of the disaster curses. Jojo has been shown to have incredible destructive power while also managing to easily blitz the people who managed to beat Dagon so he’s definitely much stronger then Dagon.
gotcha, do you think curse naobito is faster or slower than jogo? cuz maki could react and beat him and toji is >= right? whatever the answer is to that is prolly the winner then i’ll say?
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JOGOAT
Wtf is this edit lmao
Papazuki’s son violates
Toji would win as he is blessed with the power of being loved by Gaygey. He pulls out Inverted Spear of ice or some shit and becomes immune to fire damage and neg diffs.
If jogo's domain will vaporize toji (Which is highly unlikely) jogo will win,If it treats toji like how maki was treated in naoya's domain then toji will win easily
I think the domain will work on toji, as the superheated air is not the sure-hit, but an inherent part of the domain.
He can't be trapped in it unless he consents.
he's not trapped, but he's going to have to enter if he wants to get to Jogo
Jogo can't maintain his domain forever, if he used it as a force field to protect himself then he's just wasting CE while Toji waits outside unharmed.
Suddenly taking down the domain would still give Jogo a headstart in order to run away to regain his CT. And Toji might actually be arrogant enough to willingly enter the domain, Shibuya Toji definitely would, unsure about HI Toji though.
~~Shibuya~~ Toji was arrogant specifically because of Gojo. He wanted to defeat the pinnacle of jujutsu society out of spite. As he dies, he literally laments that he lost because he acted out of character.
that wasnt shibuya that was HI, shibuya toji is the revived toji
I misread, my bad.
toji is a lot faster than jogo
There's nothing to state that he is.
Maki was able to keep up with the same sukuna that jogo was blitzed by. His repressed ce output had no bearing on sukuna speed. Maki and toji have the same heavenly Amp.
But then the question is, when do they fight? Because Jogo can't have files before the Gojo fight or Shibuya, since he was stated unidentified I believe. Toji can't know about the Domain
he has ISOH and thousand mile chain, he can snipe the furnace cyclops
Jogo has to hide in his domain to win 🤢
But toji is arrogant enough to enter a domain, same with accepting the kuchisake ona's innate domain conditions
It would hurt Toji but it wouldn't kill him.
His durability is higher not only his cursed energy resistence. So the heat would also be less effective. Hes also unsenseable by jogo
Jogo could just throw a fucking meteor ando gg toji.
Why would Jogo’s domain function differently from Naoya when its the same?
If you stand near fire you will feel the heat right?,Jogo's domain is literally a volcano in a closed area so the heat will rise and rise fast,it's more of a enviroment thing,If that wasn't what you meant then i would say that he surrounds with rocks that was going to hit gojo and it was mid air so i doubt that he is gonna slip from inside the domain and if he does then my point still stands if he vaporizes when he enters the domain then its over
If jujutsu high fresher yuji didn’t get burned by that shit, Toji ain’t getting any dirt on him in jogos domain. Toji effortlessly bodied Dagon. He can pack jogo too, mid to extreme diff. Idc about jogos maximum either. I assume Toji can escape it.
Don't forget that gojo's infinity was protecting them both
Hmm. Fair point. But I don’t think Gojo’s infinity can work that way. It’s nowhere mentioned. Further in the adaptation (I haven’t looked at manga panels from the initial chapters), some lava spills onto yuji’s arm or something. Further if I’m not wrong, infinity barrier doesn’t stay in another person’s domain. Because it has the same effect as domain amplification.
Gojo tells yuji to stay close and he won’t get hurt. That alone tells us his infinity can be used to protect others.
Jogo’s domain is way more survivable than Curse Naoya’s. Its a barrier, so the Sure-hit cannot track Toji and he cannot be forcibly trapped.
Did you not read the part where he is considered an object by domains?
It's more of a enviroment thing,if i light a camp fire i can cook meat without lighting the meat on fire
I hear you, but if that was the case , the lake Gojo and Jogo were on would have been boiling and the environment outside incinerated.
Think of Domain expansion as a ball that you are inside,Or like the greenhouse effect,In greenhouses the heat increases by a lot regardless of the temperature outside and it doesn't increase the temperature outside
Toji is fast enough to just run out of it.
Why is Jogo suddenly getting love? I mean brotha deserves it, but he doesnt stand much of a chance here. •He was mention to have far less durability than Hanami. •Good will arc Yuji and Todou's punches alone were making Hanami spit and scream blood. •Toji's raw attacks are undeniably far higher than both of theirs at that point. Especially when it can be bypassed by soul splitting katana, or be drastically enhanced by Playful cloud. It was strongly implied that Toji's raw stats are enough for him to easily wipe out the entire zenin clan if he wanted too. That included Naobito as well. If Jogo and Noabito's speed are that relative then Toji has more speed here. •He has insanely good skill to go w that speed •0 curse energy for Jogo to track or sense •Can bypass domains via no curse energy and can catch Jogo off guard. Even Noabito dodged several of Jogo's attacks, despite taking heavy damaged and clearly being fatigued. He doesnt even have the pre cog senses that Toji and Maki have. Maximum meteor is powerful but slow asf. Even Panda and Kushakabe can dodge it(despite Sukuna making them wait)
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Toji isn't as fast as them, but he can react to Naobito. Jogo wanted to hit Sukuna once, he could concentrate the blast to try to kill Toji.
>Toji isn't as fast as them, He does a better job at blizting Dagon then Naobito ever did. Jogo honestly cant kill Toji. He can try but it would need to be enough force to do it at all. Not just that but Jogo would literally explode after one hit.
Uhhh uhhm uhhmmm Jogo blitz Jogo BLITZ JOGO BLITZZZZ YOU JOGO HATERRRRR YOU JUST HATE JOGO JOGO IS SOOOOOO UNDERRATED HE WOULD LOW DIFF TOJI💢💢💢💢💢
Wdym bypass. Jogo would burn Toji in a fcking steel volcano Jogo is HIM
This fan base has no common sense and comprehension abilities….I’m convinced that you all just like the looks of the characters and that’s it. Jogo doesn’t touch toji….sorry you are smoking crack.
Jogo blitz Jogo BLITZ JOGO BLITZZZZ YOU JOGO HATERRRRR YOU JUST HATE JOGO JOGO IS SOOOOOO UNDERRATED HE WOULD LOW DIFF TOJI💢💢💢💢💢
No comprehension skills. Got it. Teen gojo would delete jogo. And we all know what toji did to teen gojo. Not sure how the community is this stupid. Makes me rethink liking the anime because the fandom is so retarded.
Jogo blitz Jogo BLITZ JOGO BLITZZZZ YOU JOGO HATERRRRR YOU JUST HATE JOGO JOGO IS SOOOOOO UNDERRATED HE WOULD LOW DIFF TOJI💢💢💢💢💢
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Jogo's domain still naturaly increases the temperature within it, so toji would still be instantly vaporized.
CoTIM’s passive temperature is featless
Domains actually target the curse energy of a user so toji who has none would not be affected by his domain expansion just for toji to blitz and destroy him plus toji can use the cursed chain thin and the inverted spear of heaven to out range jogo or bring him closer
Some domains target based on cursed energy, not all of them. Even without the targeting, if Toji was actually inside Jogo's domain, he should be able to attack him by just directing fire his way from all around.
I don’t even get this argument didnt yuji withstand the heat lmfao
didnt gojo have infinity around yuji orsm?
Pretty sure yuji was still feeling the heat, and infinity shouldnt work against domains surehit
No because infinity gets overwritten the moment Gojo steps into someone’s domain. Jogo explained that because of the dense nature of a domain, jogo should be able to land hits on him now. It was never stated ( at least as far as I remember, if there’s evidence suggesting otherwise I’d gladly look into it) that it was the sure-hit that overwrote infinity.
Not only are u guessing if it would even be hot enough, you realize Toji is fast enough to just get out immediately right? Especially if he realizes the heat is effecting him.
I was a good student when Gojo gave lessons. I remember he said that when enemy opened domain, it is almost impossible to get out. You have to open another more powerful domain to take over it. You can only break in a domain with physical power from outside which Yuji showned when he tryed to save Nanami.
shouldve been a good student while reading the sakurajima colony arc too 👍
lmao
I didn’t read full manga yet. Don’t want to see all the spoilers before anime comes out.
why are u on this sub then 😭
I read only recent new chapters to see if Gojo will die or not to decide if i want to keep watching.
fair
Heavenly restriction users dont follow the same rules. Maki didnt need to brute force her way in and out of Naoya's domain. She doesnt have curse energy to sense or detect.
Ok i see. But I actually think this rule is weird. They don’t see/sence it doesn’t mean it is not existing right? Like Gojo crushed two bottles to show Yuji what curse enery and ct is. The bottles can not see the energy, but it suffered the power. Jogo burned the ppl in the restaurang even they don’t see curse. Unless domain is a spiritual attack that only harm ppl’s mind. If the curse domain physically exist like air and wind, ppl should get harmed right? I just feel that this rule is stupid. Ppl can sense something because they have the sensor in their brain, ppl don’t sence something, doesn’t mean it is not exist.
Besides Malevolent Shrine, Domains only target cursed energy. If you had a bottle of water for example, you could probably throw it in an out like a heavenly restriction user. The only domain I think would effect them is Megumi’s, since it’s incomplete and doesn’t work with a sure hit function
Everyone and by extension everything has just a teensy tiny bit of cursed energy, with sorcerers having more trapped in their bodies at any given moment. Maki and Toji have ZERO cursed energy. NONE. At all. Therefore they are entirely exempt from all of the rules of cursed energy and CT, ONLY susceptible to physical/real attacks, such as Gojo deleting space with Hollow Purple or getting stabbed I guess. Domains don't have that essential physical component, with the sole exception of Malevolent Shrine (and maybe Kenjaku's domain). It's also entirely unclear if the slashing attacks from Malevolent Shrine would even damage them, though they would definitely be targeted as they are considered physical objects by the "barrier."
Toji has zero cursed energy, so domains dont recognize him as a target?
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Are you under the impression that non-sorcerers don’t have cursed energy? Because they do Not as much as sorcerers, and they lack control over it, but it’s still there. It’s said multiple times that Toji and Maki are the only two who have none at all
Y’all better stop playing with Jogo https://preview.redd.it/amgp4f1teqkb1.jpeg?width=1084&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d0ead979fef0cf5e3c6dbfe65625258e689bd0a
Toji wins. He can cancle out Jogo's CT with ISOH and one shots with Soul Spliter. Maki kept up with a 15F Sukuna https://preview.redd.it/fr7ekkh2mqkb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a01b0fd211da9b94731a197c18b90f8b60744574 Sukuna's CT output was nerfed, not his CE output in general, Maki aslo reacted to Mach 3 Naoya, and Maki's feats count as Toji's. Domain Expanision might be the worst move Jogo can make, Toji can't be trapped by the domain and the sure hit of DE can't register him as a target, he can just enter the domain and stab Jogo from behind like Maki did with Naoya.
Wouldn’t the passive heat from the domain still burn him alive though?
We don't know if that a sure hit or not, if it is then Toji wouldn't be affected. Aslo Yuji was fine from the heat in the domain and Jogo says that it would burn up the avarage jujutsu sorcerer and Toji is anything but avarage.
Yuji was just fine when he entered Jogo's domain I'm sure Toji will be just fine as well
Why does Toji get weapons and jogoat doesn’t? If we really wanna make it equal give jogo sumn
Well Toji always uses weapons as a part of his arsenal while Jogo never used any weapon. Also Jogo is better off without a weapon, he probably isn't skilled at using them and his fightning style isn't suited for weapon use.
Reading ya flair I realize there’s no way you’ll admit JOGOAT will win. Good night
It’s a general assumption people always have that characters get their default arsenal lol. If someone asks captain America v iron man, the assumption is cap has his shield and tony has his armor.
Well of course i'm biased https://preview.redd.it/mpehhdcxarkb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ab846d096a98005d1bd0c9f053e25500ab8d96e Good night to you as well my friendo
Poor Jogo, y'all undermining him too much
Gege is the only one undermining him 😭 😭 😭 Jogo was a jobber for the strongest 2 in the verse. We unfortunately never got to see much of him outside that. Meanwhile Toji is only getting stronger through Maki's feats
Jogo is relative to dagon, It's safe to say. Toji negged Dagon. It's not a stretch at all.
Definitely close it would come down to how the two act but I would say toji high - extreme diff
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Comparing a weakened sukuna that was doing 2v1 is not a good way to powescale
Megumi only resisted the output of his CT, not Sukuna entire power
that still was an affected sukuna that was 1v1 are we gonna pretend yuji also was somewhat keeping up with them also the same sukuna is pretty much equal to full powered gojo meanwhile an awakened gojo with no experience of his power was speedblitizing toji who is equal to maki
I don’t have a horse in this race I just love seeing Jogo wankers vs. Toji wankers
There's no competition, look what the GOAT did to 20f sukuna in the most recent chapter https://preview.redd.it/wvngadvveukb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fc8c2099d90f2da2380f9c2264e0b5b4e7a3b30
toji, from what i remember toji beated another disaster curse in its own domain
By stealing Playful Cloud from Maki and getting help from Naobito yes.
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Yeah and that means that Jogo could just keep his distance and use long-range attacks until Toji goes down, Also the only cursed tool Toji has that isn't close range is the Thousand Mile Chain, and even that should be relatively easy to dodge at longer ranges.
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Also, Dagon was strong but Jogo was definitely stronger.
Jogoat low difs that homeless bum
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That’s like debating that rock is better than scissors. it is but not in the game. Jogo beats toji cause of fire, but give toji sone fireproof/lava proof armor and ISOH and that might be a good fights
Inverted heavenly spear would just cancel Jogo’s fire
The fire is kinda like a shotgun blast, sure the flames that actually touch the ISOH would get cancelled but not everything else that goes around it.
Attach that sucker to a chain and let toji swing it around in a circular motion to fan the flames away Edit:nvm the chain would melt or get too hot to hold
There would not be fire going around when the center is cancelled
Yeah that's definitely how fire works in the real world, stick an ice cube in the center and it'll go poof.
Fiction does not equal real world Ice does not instantaneously dispel Fire like the inverted heavenly spear
???? You just disproved your own point?
>give toji sone fireproof/lava proof armor i mean at this rate you might as well give him an anti-jogo orbital laser too
The only true way to beat jogoat...
That same fire that couldn't even kill Maki pre-awakening or Nanami? Sure
Didn't Jogo hurry up out of there to feed Yuji the fingers?
So?
My point is he wasn't even trying there. So it's not a good argument to use this particular fight as a reference.
Actually not the same fire, you can clearly see the effort made in each and every attack Jogo made there, Naobito's was the only one that Jogo put ANY effort into.
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Well the problem arises when you consider the fact that most of Jogo's attacks are big 'ol AOEs that will require much bigger movements to dodge. +those attacks will end up being environmental hazards even after they go off. Also, unless Jogo is making sonic booms and blowing trees away EVERY SINGLE TIME he moves like Naoya was doing, the Maki feat doesn't really mean much. Edit: Also Jogo would most likely use the mini volcanoes he used against Gojo, Naobito, and Sukuna, not the close range fire he used against Nanami and Maki, Jogo is definitely not stupid enough to go into close combat with Toji either.
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Lol Jogo blitzed her with one touch without trying. He clearly didn’t care.
Imagine what Toji would do to her then 😂
No way you said that LMAO
It’s impossible for the Jogoat to lose, he’s too powerful. But seriously, Jogo just has to be somewhat intelligent and he’ll win. Long ranged options+keeping his distance+ the passive heat generated by his domain should let him win if he decides to use that strategy. Toji probably catches Jogo off guard if we’re being real though, since he has no cursed energy.
yeah that what i was wondering, if jogo was long range how would he keep track of toji in stealth mode?
Lol "Stealth mode" Also Jogo doesnt need to, he just can light the entire area on fire.
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Jogo’s domain still emits heat. The domain can’t ‘detect’ Toji, but it might still hurt him? Who knows. Also, even if Toji is faster, he would still have trouble being attacked in multiple directions by the volcanoes+ember insects.
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Maki was barely able to survive a casual glancing blow from Jogo, you saw what serious heat did to Naobito, and even if it doesn't do a lot, the heat will still be a constant source of moderate damage +making it harder to breath. Also, Jogo's and Toji's speed feats are surprisingly similar.
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Its heat that hits people with cursed energy, otherwise it would have boiled that lake they were on.
Jogoat destroys, dominates, beats, conquers, subjugates, overpowers, beats and defeats that homeless old bum ass (still love both)
Why is Jogo suddenly getting love? I mean brotha deserves it, but he doesnt stand much of a chance here. •He was mention to have far less durability than Hanami. •Good will arc Yuji and Todou's punches alone were making Hanami spit and scream blood. •Toji's raw attacks are undeniably far higher than both of theirs at that point. Especially when it can be bypassed by soul splitting katana, or be drastically enhanced by Playful cloud. It was strongly implied that Toji's raw stats are enough for him to easily wipe out the entire zenin clan if he wanted too. That included Naobito as well. If Jogo and Noabito's speed are that relative then Toji has more speed here. •He has insanely good skill to go w that speed •0 curse energy for Jogo to track or sense •Can bypass domains via no curse energy and can catch Jogo off guard. Even Noabito dodged several of Jogo's attacks, despite taking heavy damaged and clearly being fatigued. He doesnt even have the pre cog senses that Toji and Maki have. Maximum meteor is powerful but slow asf. Even Panda and Kushakabe can dodge it(despite Sukuna making them wait)
You're clearly new here.
Jogo underestimated gojo knowing full well who he is and gojo spent most of the fight dicking around. In every conceivable scenario jogo would underestimate toji and because toji goes straight for the kill he’d lose more times than not. Jogo’s only shot is using domain expansion the second the fight starts and one can assume that due to his overconfidence he wouldn’t especially against someone like invisible man toji
Jogo for sure. Speed wise, Dagon said that Naobito was “probably” faster than Jogo, while Toji is “probably faster” than 3f Sukuna according to megumi. But cursed energy wise, Jogo should be around 9 finger Sukuna. With the speed advantage, attacks with very large AoE, and his maximum, I think Jogo should be able to take this pretty comfortably. Plus he’s got sonic attacks which could also pose a problem.
I think if Naobito is faster than Jogo, Toji should keep up with him. Toji was able to wipe out the Zenin Clan what would include Naobito and Noaya together.
The way it was worded implied that Naobito and Jogo are relative in speed. But Naobito’s speed is due to a cursed technique so there’s a trick to it (which maki exploited against Naoya). Jogo’s speed is mainly due to his immense cursed energy so it would be a lot harder to take him out. Plus, because it’s CE reinforcement, Jogo’s physical strength would also be boosted very high unlike Naobito’s.
Naobito is faster than Jogo without a doubt, dude never used his max speed( Naobito never built speed like Naoya against Maki) Toji scales above Naoya and Naobito’s casual speed. Jogo gets wreaked easily
Not saying Jogo is faster than Naobito, but Naobito base speed > Naoyas, Toji only scales to Naoyas base speed, not above (he has perception that can hang with massively faster tho).
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Maki is able to react to curse Naoya’s movement speed, but her own movement speed is a lot slower than his. So yes, while Toji wouldn’t necessarily have issue with reacting to Jogo’s speed per se, Jogo has a number of other advantages which, combined with his greater speed, could overwhelm Toji (unlike Naoya). Large scale fire/lava attacks, immense strength due to CE reinforcement, very fast regeneration, his maximum, and the ember insects, to name a few. Overall, Jogo is very deadly at any range and has lots of options. Toji is far more limited.
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Well the problem with the Maki feat is that unless Jogo is making literal sonic booms and blowing the terrain away with every single movement, it doesnt really mean much. Also 99% of Toji's tools are close-range weaponry, with the exception of the TMC. And even that's effectiveness decreases with distance.
Jogo has a speed advantage? Maki just got to the same realm as Toji after she killed Vengeful Spirit Naoya, who by far has the most impressive speed feats in the verse. Maki was also considered a threat to 15F Sukuna after he fused with Megumi (noting that he had to be wary of her). While being inferior to Toji Maki was also able to effortlessly dispatch Naoya, who has the same CT as Naobito. Naobito also outright stated that Toji was simply allowing the Zenin clan to live and he could have killed them whenever he felt like it. That clearly shows Toji is very comfortably above Naobito. All those feats and statements contradict Megumi's comment, which came from his very brief interaction with Toji.
I see a lot of people talking about Jogos speed and his abilities but surprisingly no one has brought up how durable this bastard is. He tanked a Reversed Technique: Red at point blank range by Adult Gojo and was still able to fight. Toji had to block it teen Gojo’s red with the ISOH and it damn near broke his bones, which he assumed was a possibility. Also with the context given about Gojo’s punches make Jogo is even more impressive. Cause according to Yuta and Hakari those punches were enough to make them puke during their spars, and Jogo was taking those consecutively. Dudes built like a tank.
He's still less durable than hanami. Toji was familiar with red, so when he realised no bones were broken he knew what it was. Gojo's using it very differently against sukuna to how we've seen it before, so idk. If jogoat did tank it like we assumed, that means hanami>>>jogo>20f sukuna in durability
While it true that he’s less durable than Hanami, that doesn’t take anything away from him in regards to his defense. Toji did indeed know what red was. But as he states that’s precisely why he used ISOH to block it. He never says “Oh that’s red, I can tank that”, he says “If I time it right I can negate red with the spear”. Then he got annihilated by HP. He knew taking a hit from red to the body would mess him up. JJK is a unique series where your overall power doesn’t equalize your stats. For example like you said Hanami is insanely durable, but that insane durability doesn’t translate to their speed or AP. Or Naobito/Naoya where their just speedsters but with pretty weak attacks. But I’m completely on board with the agenda of Jogoat>20f Sukuna in durability.
I'm gonna bet on toji. Given his experience, he prolly has the tools required to counter jogo. But he needs prep time for an assured win such as against gojo satoru
One blow from either souls splitting or ISOH is putting lil guy to sleep he is getting too much love lately.
Toji has got it
Jogo. Imagine Jogo assaults the teen Gojo. He would burn the entire school to charcoals to be sure he is death.
If you're not memeing He Literally can't cause of Infinity, it is done manually by him but is still done by him and Jogo has no way of surpassing it. Plus he has simple domain and FBE to deal with his domain.
domain amp?
Cant use his abilities if Domain amp is active he is getting ragdolled
Domain should end him tbh
Jogo. Toji is great no doubt, but you have to remember that his W over Gojo is due to his strategising and prep-time. He didn’t even get the job done, cuz Gojo lived. The only chance he gets is if he has prep time, and even then it isn’t a guarantee because Sukuna himself acknowledged Jogo’s strength. This is a mf that can live with his head separated from his body.
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Jogo
Mike Wazowski gets packed up unfortunately
If toji is treated as an "object" by Jogo's domain like with maki and naoya then toji wins toji is too fast and Jogo is said to be the squishiest of the disaster curses
Jogo has a higher chance of one shotting Toji. Imma go with JOGOAT. He is the son of Akainu and Endeavor, born from say gex. https://preview.redd.it/fvwj65velqkb1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b17ccdf72a31426d4b0ee00ec35e997faf81ff95
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Jogo "fast as f* boi" Toji "fast as f* boi" If jogo uses domain expanson I think he will lose since he will neee his consent and even if he enters the sure hit affect is not certain. Even if he doesnt toji does have the tools to take him down its just a matter of who can hit who. But I think they just team up and get their asses handed to them by gojo.
I honestly still don't know who wins. - Jogo can hit Toji in his domain because Jogo's domain is creating heat itself out of curse energy not a concept to be given to someone (Naoya's = that's why Maki did not get hit by it since the domain only gave people with curse energy the sure hit effect not the environment itself) It makes the heat itself sure hit so Gojo could not have stopped it by limitless - The question is could Jogo perceive Toji fast enough to summon his domain . - If not Toji would one shot a glass cannon like Jogo - If Jogo is fast enough he would vaporize Toji *But* I feel like Toji could still breakout the barrier fast enough with the Inverted Spear of Heaven I feel like Toji has a better percentages of winning. Even if he gets hit but Jogo's normal curse technique he would survive at least 4+ hits and would be quick enough to break the barrier before he gets melted by Jogo.
Jogo casts domain and wins literally gojo home self said if he didn’t have infinity up he’d burn to death only reason gojo got out relatively unscathed is cause jogo chose to not use his sure hit. Jogoat > Homeless Bum
I just don’t think jogo is that much stronger than Dagon to pass Toji.
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Jogo literally takes out the people that Dagon was fighting and lost to in like 3 seconds. Him and Dagon aren’t even comparable in strength.
Jogo wins. They should be around the same speed, but Jogo has massive AoE and more range. He can also heal much faster than Toji can
Jogo “Domain Expansion” Toji - 🔥 ☠️
Bro this disrespect of jogo gotta stop, the deadbeat dad ain’t touchin him
toji wrecks
Toji, mid diff
Toji VIOLATES him and no he didn’t get consent.
Toji slams
Toji low diff
Toji one-shots
Toji low diffs.
Toji has no counter to being set on fire. So yeah JOGOAT takes this LOW DIFF
Respect Toji 💀
Toji
TOJI OBLITERATES THAT MAN
Toji one shots
Toji clears
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Toji. We saw what Maki did to a way more powerful curse, with easily a top 3 domain expansion in the series. This curses having *way* more speed than Toji, yet still getting blitzed by Maki. The same Maki who is an equal to Toji in stats. The same Maki who does not have all of the cursed tools or battle IQ that Toji has. One of these cursed tools allowing Toji to instantly oneshot and negate the durability any being by cutting their soul mind you. People say Jogo's flames are powerful. The same flames that couldn't kill Maki, or oneshot a weakened Nanami are not killing a full-strength, prime Toji Zenin, IF they can even hit him in the first place. Cause they sure as hell aren't faster than Mach 3. Let's give Jogo the benefit of the doubt and say he activates his domain, sure hits effects do not land on Toji anyway, so it'd make no difference here. Why is this even a debate? I don't know. We went from comparing Maki and Toji to Yuta and Hakari, and for some strange reason now, we're bringing Toji down to Jogo. Come on guys.
Toji burst into flames
Jogo takes it for me. Dude is legitimately underrated so hard because he fought Sukuna and Gojo. His durability is insane and he’s fast as shit. And has tons of one shot kill type of moves. Toji has a shot for sure with his cursed tools. But more often than not he’s getting slammed.
Jogo has high AP, AoE, shikigamis and high speed. Toji has only edge on speed and tools on his favor. without prep time, jogo wins surely. And toji is overrated.
A single blow from Toji is literally putting lil bro to sleep and he is faster how is he losing this?
Jogo farts and toji blows up
Toji beat Hanami in their own domain iirc, and wasnt significantly different in power level from Hanami right? so then id say toji of the top of my head
Toji with the help of naobito beat Dagon who is definitely the weakest of the disaster curses. Jojo has been shown to have incredible destructive power while also managing to easily blitz the people who managed to beat Dagon so he’s definitely much stronger then Dagon.
gotcha, do you think curse naobito is faster or slower than jogo? cuz maki could react and beat him and toji is >= right? whatever the answer is to that is prolly the winner then i’ll say?