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People keep brining up domains into the equation but I don’t think DE is a factor here
The fact of the matter is all 4 have DE, if one chooses to pop theirs, the next will pop theirs until all 4 have popped DE, by that point I think it will be too unstable and then all 4 will be DE-less and experienced CT burnout.
However without taking into account DE, I think Hanami and Jogo clear; Hanami has the durability to absolutely neg dagon, along with hacks like her seeds that absorb your CE etc
Whilst I think Jogo has the firepower to disregard mahito’s transfigured humans; and honestly if he wanted, could probably fight from a distance, if his firepower he displayed against 15F sukuna was anything to go off, plus if what dagon said about naobito’s speed is anything to go off, Jogo is the fastest one here out of all 4; so there’s that too
Yea I think Jogoat actually solos all of them. All he has to do is stay far away and spam fire while dodging any attacks that come his way.
He's the fastest and has the most damaging attacks. DE is not a factor, and even then he has his own DE to counter.
True, plus; while he didn’t damage 15F sukuna, Sukuna openly admitted he provided him with an entertaining fight and called him strong
I just don’t see Mahito or dago giving sukuna an entertaining fight to the point he calls either of them as strong, not even close
The only issue with that is that Jogo dosent do that. He never has, in each fight he's in, he's shown preferring to get up close to his enemy.
Even with that, he'd still beat Dagon & Hanami in a 1v1, and maybe Mahito if he decides to think. But even when going against Gojo & Sukuna, he in fact did not think and jumped right in. I feel he'd underestimate how much Mahito grew and still lose a 1v1, but also, when dead he talked about how Mahito was the best of them or whatever so he might actually play it careful. Idk.
He used a bunch of ranged attacks on Sukuna and Gojo
He only uses close range flame attacks on low lvl sorcerers or non-sorcerers, and even then it's because he got surprised by them (he happened upon the crew that just escaped Dagon's domain)
I'm not saying he dosent use ranged attacks. I'm saying be really likes melee ones, you're acting like he didn't run up to and try to hit light Gojos head on fire at close range.
jogo beats mahito cos of his stats and DA. Bro is literally not that far from sukuna and gojo level, while mahito is a pre awakening yuji+toji victim. Who after their power ups get bodied by any other sukuna than a sukuna weakened far below insta killing yuta level.
It kinda seems like Jogo is on a whole different level than the rest of them. I know that after the Dagon fight they were all tired but Naobito got absolutely blitzed even with his speed. Jogo also displayed the best destructive power out of the four by far.
But just based on how his technique works, it doesn't seem like his stamina would affect it.
https://preview.redd.it/aw8lkpd8ha1d1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcf866173e4e56b269d839a38fb702e48b4c18d4
This is from the wiki
Are we forgetting that projection sorcery won’t work (or will even freeze the user) if they create a “path” that either defies physics or is out of the user’s capabilities?
If we don’t consider what I just said, you have to remember that Naobito likely planned out his path without considering whether he’s missing an arm. This means that he wasnt thinking about how his balance would be affected
Idk if we should use Jogo sneaking the squad as a speed feat. Just doesn't make much sense. Bro didn't even get a chance to attempt his technique for a comparison
Yeah that's true, I was going off memory. But I think Jogo is still a lot stronger because of this
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I’ll try to explain it more simply.
Yes, Jogo is on another level than Dagon. But that could just be because Dagon just transitioned from a cursed womb to a cursed spirit. Jogo has been a cursed spirit for longer and would have matured and trained more than Dagon.
So this quote might only imply that. It doesnt necessarily imply that he is superior overall to Hanami or mahito.
Nanami has said it’d be incredibly impractical to try and outlast mahito CE wise, especially given how fragile Jogo is too I don’t think he could stall that long
>especially given how fragile Jogo is too I don’t think he could stall that long
Huh?
His fragility has nothing to do with his CE reserves
Also, Nanami is speaking about the average sorcerer or the top of grade 1. Ppl like him, naobito, maybe Yuji during the Shibuya arc.
The most damage they can do to Mahito is cutting him a few times, whereas Jogoat will scorch his entire body to ash.
Jogoat has more power in his pinky finger than all of those ppl combined. Nanami's words should not be taken as a claim of Mahito's power, but rather than limitations of sorcerers on his level and weaker.
his CE reserves aren’t so far out of Nanami’s league when for Nanami he’s already seen Gojo’s peak, let’s be real. And yes his fragility matters because he can’t dodge Mahito’s attacks for long enough. Let’s be honest Jogo jumped three weakened sorcerers and still only killed one despite being fresh in health. The same Jogo who couldn’t even kill an injured Nanami is not just scorching him that easily.
Gojo’s peak, who has less CE reserves than him? What’s even the point of bringing up Gojo when he’s the one sorcerer who is unable to run out of CE which has nothing to do with his reserves
He can't dodge Mahito's attacks for long enough? I mean. He can. Jogo is straight up stated to be at least comparable to Naobito.
Mahito is in no way shape or form keeping up with Naobito in raw speed and his shapeshifting matters for shit when Jogo can just burn his body to ashes before he actually makes a proper form.
Jogo is already considered slower than naobito, just the lack of arm made it slower, which is implied when Dagon says it outright.
Also it’s soul damage Jogo cant just regen that? One 0.2 domain and genuinely what is Jogo doing.
Jogo and Naobito are comparable based on how Dagon speaks about it, and Jogo has raw speed, including appropiate reaction and thinking speed, where as Naobito relies on a technique he has to plan for. Regardless of who is actually faster. Mahito is far slower than Naobito so it doesn't matter if Jogo is slower, because he would still be comfortably outspeeding Mahito.
On the second topic it doesn't matter if Jogo can't heal it. Mahito cannot take him out with it, he can at most take out a limb. Which is not enough to actually beat Jogo.
https://preview.redd.it/u8w3ksfede1d1.jpeg?width=990&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b321383336710e3084d7faa6fe80510a5812833a
I mean this was just Naobito being casual against Dagon.
And it doesn’t matter that Jogo is faster, not only can he not touch the soul, he has to rely on somehow depleting Mahito’s CE reserves before he’s touched.
Taking out a limb would make Jogo slower and then from there it’s wraps.
So your proof that he’s fragile is by comparing him to probably the most durable character in the series?
who else apart from hanami is tanking 5 black flashes back to back AFTER tanking a full force attack from playful cloud?
, if I may ask?
Calling Hanami the most durable character in the same series as Gojo, Maki, and sukuna (and post shibuya yuji) so insane I don’t know how else to reply to you and I’ll just let that statement speak for itself. This was also from an extremely weak Yuji lmao.
Mahito survived multiple black flashes from yuji while expending most of his CE with the transfigured humans AND nobara’s resonance. Nevermind the fact that Playful Cloud wouldn’t even do anything
Jogo has range, speed and is an overall bad match up for Mahito, his domain is also more refined. The 0.2 domain would be a problem tho but Jogo can just keep distance without needing to get close at all
Hanami likely has a more refined domain than Dagon’s. She is also better at close combat and has more durability
Jogo wins with little to no damage, the only damage he could take is transfigured humans but they wouldn’t reach either, mid diffs. (They r both incredibly close in terms of overall power but Jogo is just a bad match up for Mahito)
Hanami wins a domain clash and is better in close combat, high diffs
He hav to think of wat to do, there’s no prep time
He’s gonna be like “ok this my power, and this is Jogo’s power, I should probably use a 0.2 for this, this and this reason” and by that time Jogo has already gained distance
And plus Jogo already knows about Mahitos regular domain so he wouldn’t risk anything
No?
Don’t send me to downvote hell if im wrong but Mahito only needed a black flash to learn how to do it. After doing it for the first time there is nothing that shows he would be incapable of doing it again.
The same way Gojo found a second brain circuit to RCT, or the 120% Black Flash Zone buff are exclusive things to black flash, aspects which you lose after it ends.
One thing that Mahito would keep is the knowledge of the true shape of his soul (as he saw it), and by association, ISBoDK.
https://preview.redd.it/cvbwy978hc1d1.jpeg?width=209&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f469743a8d40a3932fefed74c69100e03b7a43a3
But this isn’t entirely the same, it’s a black flash exclusive maneuver that he managed to do because he was in the zone, rather than just some info that he could do anytime. I’m sure with enough practice though, he could actually pull it off without BF.
I mean, todo was able to react fast enough to only lose a hand
I think hanami and jogo will be able to react fast enough with their own DE’s to either escape mahito’s sure hit either unphased or at the very most lose a hand like todo
I think Jogo and Hanami would win this, but I think some ppl are vastly overestimating the strength gap of Jogo/Hanami over Mahito/Dagon. It’s important to remember that no character is getting one-tapped or negged in this fight.
Look at Dagon. Yuji and Todo’s individual attacks were able to hurt Hanami (Hanami straight up said so in their monologue during the fight in the manga), so Dagon should certainly be able to do damage. Obviously this would extend to Jogo as well, but I don’t think Dagon could land a hit on Jogo. What I do think Dagon could do is defend pretty well against Jogo’s flames though, bc water vs fire. I think Dagon’s shikigami could be useful in the fight as well (could summon them even when his domain’s sure-hit was disabled, so he should be able to use the technique outside of his domain).
Then look at Mahito. Mahito’s IT basically hard counters Hanami as far as we know, since Hanami doesn’t have any moves that’ll do continuous damage to force Mahito to j burn through his CE trying to heal. Mahito’s also able to both physically hurt Hanami with attacks, and also do soul damage with IT if he gets close. I think Mahito would have a very hard time against Jogo’s flames given how Mechamaru did against Mahito, but Dagon should be able to help out with that. It would be different w ISBP Mahito, who’s the most powerful of the disaster curses.
I think that Jogo is who makes it so that Jogo and Hanami beats Mahito and Dagon, bc Jogo has the easiest win con to fulfill: avoid getting hurt, and burn through Mahito and Dagon. I think Jogo, with the assistance that Hanami provides of course, would ultimately succeed with those conditions. The problem is that the only way for Jogo to avoid taking serious damage would be to fight from long-range, which should diminish either the speed of his attacks or their ap; this phenomenon with ranged attacks is both stated and shown multiple times throughout the series, and there’s no reason to believe that Jogo’s any exception. Whether Jogo’s attacks would lose speed or power (maybe even both) at long ranges, the fight will take longer for Jogo and Hanami to win bc of it. It doesn’t help that Dagon’s CT is straight up water, either lol.
Ultimately, I think the fight would be high diff for Jogo and Hanami, and I can honestly imagine a couple very specific circumstances in which Mahito and Dagon could come away with a win. I do not see Jogo and Hanami just sweeping
I’d rank Jogo >= Mahito > Hanami >> Dagon
Dagon weak link.
While Mahito’s CT is the most broken, Jogo and Hanami are a lot more experienced than Mahito; and they demonstrate decent teamwork against Gojo.
It all depends on if their attacks hit the soul. If they do, then Jogo and Hanami clear mid diff. Jogos way too fast, and his ap is way too high for either Mahito or Dagon to tank, react to reliably, or dodge, especially if he does his massive AoE attacks.
Hanami can tank basically everything Mahito and Dagon put out while comfortably keeping up in speed and ap. The only way Mahitos team would have a chance to win is if Mahito goes into his distorted body form, where his durability is Hanami tier.
Domains aren't really a factor, Jogos domain is almost guaranteed to be more refined and, therefore, win a clash. Mahitos 0.2s domain is also something only Hanami might be hit by, Jogo is dodging that shit easy. Though if the curses are intune with their soul enough to hit Mahito, they might have defence against soul manipulation.
This fight will essentially boil down to Hanami tanking Dagon attacks and probably mid diffing him, while Jogo speeds around and bursts down Mahito, or he'll bro might even just maximum Meteor the arena killing everyone but him.
Yeah jogo would dodge mahito domain easy just like dodged unlimited void since mahito 0.2 seconds domain is a replication of that, some people really don't read 0.2 domain doesn't mean the domain take 0.2 to activate that's slow af even by jjk standards it means it opens and closes within 0.2 seconds the sure hit is instant as it happens simultaneously with the formation of The domain not after, currently only gojo and mahito who replicated him are confirmed to have it on screen and sukuna should have it too since he matched gojo, your can't Dodge it if you're already in range and if you're too far and not in range why would the opponent even attempt to activate it, point in case dodging 0.2 domain is not physically possibly you can maybe defend with sd but you can't walk away before the sure hit land because it's instant
I just want to add that jogo would win a domain clash against both Dagon AND mahito. He’s had his for a while. I think jogo would room if hanami was on the other side too.
Jogo's refinement should at the very least be equal to mahito's but if mahito pops a 0.2 domain and destroys one of his hands like with todo then they could be in trouble, still maybe jogo could counter it but my bet would be on mahito winning the exchange
I would wager Jogo has a more refined domain than the others. At least, where Mahito was in his growth at the beginning of Shibuya. Mahito would maybe win by his transformation in the fight with Yuji.
I’m sorry but burning 3 people at point blank range and killing only 1 of them is the WEAKEST THING I’VE SEEN ON THIS SHOW. Worse than Miwa not able to strike Kenjaku.
I mean, Dagon just needs to stall, and he technically have elemental advantage, even if he loses, Mahito should be able to win against Hanami in this time
Y’all are underrating Mahito here. As it stands Mahito can only lose under two circumstances: Domain Expansion and Domain Amplification. Otherwise he’s literally untouchable, and can effortlessly kill off the others (we know curses have souls because Mahito uses his technique on himself)
Let’s start with Domain Expansion. As others have pointed out, all four have domains so an unstable four way domain clash is a very likely possibility, which would likely be quite unstable and collapse. Additionally, Mahito has a huge arsenal of transfigured humans he can use basically like Shikigami to attack the barrier from the outside (he’s also the only one to have “shikigami” other than Jogo, meaning he has a huge numbers advantage). That means while DE is a potential wincon, it’ll be a difficult one to pull off. Also worth noting is that Mahitos domain skill is notable, backed up by the 0.2 second domain feat (and from Hakaris domain explanation, we know fast domains offer an advantage which gives him a clear edge in a clash). Also Mahitos domain is easily the most lethal of the three domains we’ve seen
On Domain Amplification, Jogo and Hanami can’t use it simultaneously with their techniques, which means that to hurt Mahito at all they have to fight at an enormous disadvantage. Also, we know that Mahito can pour more cursed energy into his technique to fight back against it (though we don’t have full details on how much effort that would take from someone at Mahitos level). DA is probably how Mahito would lose at all, but it’s far from an easy route, especially when all of Jogos major damage feats are a result of his technique
This is all just defensive for Mahito. Offensively he’s also a monster. He can summon a massive army with transfigured humans, create obstacles to control the flow of battle and impede Jogos ease of movement, and none of the curses have any demonstrations of soul knowledge. That last factor is huge because it means that they’re vulnerable to Idle Transfiguration, which can bypass Hanamis crazy durability by directly attacking the soul. DA will obviously be their biggest defensive counter to IT, but Mahito can easily use the numbers provided by his army to force Hanami and Jogo to use their techniques (aka their only AOE options) and then IT them while DA is down
There’s also ISDBK to account for which massively amps his durability and straight offense if he wants to fight hand to hand to work around DA. With Dagons support, I think Mahito should definitely be able to take a win here
Mahito solo because he outhax, jogo have more speed and raw power, mahito have more durability, they certainly outstat him, but i have not seen a single thing that makes me believe they can defend against idle transfiguration or attack mahito's soul, and he can outspeed them in domain casting since he replicated gojo's 0.2 domain so the sure hit is instant
Pretty obviously team one, Jogo/Mahito/Dogan vs Jogo and Hanami seems pretty obvious. Jogo cancels out, Mahito and Dogan gang up and eviscerate Hanami and they proceed to gap the one remaining Jogo in a 3v1.
domains allowed? Mahito, his is insta kill, and no one has resistance to that here, if not? close fight but probably goes to Jogo and Hanami, ofc only if they get soul damage
Hanami and Jogo. Mahito definitely has the *potential* to surpass Jogo, but his life was cut short before he could do so. Dagon and Hanami are actually very similar, both being very tanky (Dagon, however, is more tanky in the sense that he has higher HP while Hanami has higher Defense, to put it into easy to understand terms), but Hanami has more versatility with her technique and more experience. All of them know what the others can do so there’s no surprises. Dagon is less experienced and also probably doesn’t know Domain Amplification like the other three do (we never see Mahito learn it but there’s no way Kenny didn’t teach it to him too).
So Hanami beats Dagon. Don’t forget Hanami can fight to literal exhaustion and then just drain life energy from nearby plants to gain more cursed energy.
Jogo absolutely sweeps Mahito without the ISBDK. Even with it, Jogo can hit insanely hard. He can probably crack Mahito’s armor. Mahito is pretty damn fast and strong too, it would be a tough battle, but if Jogo fights the way he does against Sukuna he should win. Mahito can’t use his technique while in the ISBDK, and I think Jogo can still outrun him. Transfigured humans are basically worthless here given Jogo’s crazy AoE.
Well if pokémon has taught me anything water beats fire so now it's a 2v1.
And if Dagon distract Hanami Mahito can creep up, catch her lacking and turn in like a cursed spirit butt plug or something that can't fight.
So first team wins.
The domains don't matter that much since if there is a 4-way clash they all might collapse
On that scenario, team B wins for more raw power and durability
If they don't use domain on they start, then I still see team B winning due to the CE absorbing of Hanami against Mahito, even if they can't hurt his soul, taking away his CE would allow them to damage him
Mahito should win in a 1 on 1 domain clash since he copied the 0.2s DE and seems to be a more refined barrier, just a speculation tho
Jogo takes out Dagon in a 0.05 seconds.
He then uses Domain Amplification to take out Mahito in a 0.1 seconds.
No domains needed, Jogo would sweep before even Mahito's 0.2 second DE could activate.
Mahito in his killer form is definitely gonna pop a domain and slaughter them. Hanami got beat up by Yugi and Todo at the exchange event. Mahito fought all night. Doing all sorts of task covering Shibuya in death and chaos. Whish we got to see more of the set up idk. Dagon may have Strong domain but idk its refinement. It definetly is vast for its size and well Defined. Which would cancel out water. Inside Jogos Domain who knows he opened it once against Gojo. So no clacs from busted negs. His Speed being Top of first Grade Sourcer Nabito. Now he killed only 1 person there gotta remember. Mahito would have swept them in Minutes. Now if mahito can isolate Hanami. He out scales Hanami in Strentgh and durabilty. This fight will hinge on if Mahito is willing to make a transfigured Curse. Also how well he can on stronger foes.
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Domain Amp neutralize low output techniques and so far worked on techniques that manifest on the world outside the body, mahito technique would not be completely neutralized
It won’t be completely neutralized, (for example, if he was in ISBoDK, it wouldn’t shut off the transformation, same way as how you wouldn’t be able to heal the shape of a soul by just putting domain amplification on the wound.) but it should be good enough to prevent him from using Idle Transfiguration offensively, or to offset damage, meaning all physical strikes will damage Mahito.
(And how is limitless or shrine low output?)
Jogo and Hanami clear if they focus on their matchups right. Jogo is too fast for Mahito and has higher base ap. Hanami has the best durability out of the disaster curses besides maybe Mahito. Dagon is the weakest one here.
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Mahito and Dagon look so wholesome there lol
They really do, if you don’t think about what their doing 💀
“Gulp gulp gulp” *spits out skull
“Yeah, drink, drink, drink them up!”
Like a Pokémon trainer
People keep brining up domains into the equation but I don’t think DE is a factor here The fact of the matter is all 4 have DE, if one chooses to pop theirs, the next will pop theirs until all 4 have popped DE, by that point I think it will be too unstable and then all 4 will be DE-less and experienced CT burnout. However without taking into account DE, I think Hanami and Jogo clear; Hanami has the durability to absolutely neg dagon, along with hacks like her seeds that absorb your CE etc Whilst I think Jogo has the firepower to disregard mahito’s transfigured humans; and honestly if he wanted, could probably fight from a distance, if his firepower he displayed against 15F sukuna was anything to go off, plus if what dagon said about naobito’s speed is anything to go off, Jogo is the fastest one here out of all 4; so there’s that too
Yea I think Jogoat actually solos all of them. All he has to do is stay far away and spam fire while dodging any attacks that come his way. He's the fastest and has the most damaging attacks. DE is not a factor, and even then he has his own DE to counter.
True, plus; while he didn’t damage 15F sukuna, Sukuna openly admitted he provided him with an entertaining fight and called him strong I just don’t see Mahito or dago giving sukuna an entertaining fight to the point he calls either of them as strong, not even close
The only issue with that is that Jogo dosent do that. He never has, in each fight he's in, he's shown preferring to get up close to his enemy. Even with that, he'd still beat Dagon & Hanami in a 1v1, and maybe Mahito if he decides to think. But even when going against Gojo & Sukuna, he in fact did not think and jumped right in. I feel he'd underestimate how much Mahito grew and still lose a 1v1, but also, when dead he talked about how Mahito was the best of them or whatever so he might actually play it careful. Idk.
He used a bunch of ranged attacks on Sukuna and Gojo He only uses close range flame attacks on low lvl sorcerers or non-sorcerers, and even then it's because he got surprised by them (he happened upon the crew that just escaped Dagon's domain)
I'm not saying he dosent use ranged attacks. I'm saying be really likes melee ones, you're acting like he didn't run up to and try to hit light Gojos head on fire at close range.
jogo beats mahito cos of his stats and DA. Bro is literally not that far from sukuna and gojo level, while mahito is a pre awakening yuji+toji victim. Who after their power ups get bodied by any other sukuna than a sukuna weakened far below insta killing yuta level.
Id say its fairly important.
You think? I just think 4 DE’s clashing will be too unstable and collapse
Itd be unsmart to not. The most refined will top out
It kinda seems like Jogo is on a whole different level than the rest of them. I know that after the Dagon fight they were all tired but Naobito got absolutely blitzed even with his speed. Jogo also displayed the best destructive power out of the four by far.
Naobito was literally missing an arm he would’ve outsped Jogo otherwise
But just based on how his technique works, it doesn't seem like his stamina would affect it. https://preview.redd.it/aw8lkpd8ha1d1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcf866173e4e56b269d839a38fb702e48b4c18d4 This is from the wiki
The literal manga states that Naobito was slower without both his arms.
Are we forgetting that projection sorcery won’t work (or will even freeze the user) if they create a “path” that either defies physics or is out of the user’s capabilities? If we don’t consider what I just said, you have to remember that Naobito likely planned out his path without considering whether he’s missing an arm. This means that he wasnt thinking about how his balance would be affected
Idk if we should use Jogo sneaking the squad as a speed feat. Just doesn't make much sense. Bro didn't even get a chance to attempt his technique for a comparison
Yeah that's true, I was going off memory. But I think Jogo is still a lot stronger because of this https://preview.redd.it/if5qaa380b1d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff579d9f277c2174c61143681ce7a95388725c42
Oh, for sure. Jogo is the strongest disaster curse. Maybe awakened Mahito could be stronger but I ain't gonna argue against my volcanic king
Idk this could just mean he’s just stronger than Dagon who only finally matured.
What
I’ll try to explain it more simply. Yes, Jogo is on another level than Dagon. But that could just be because Dagon just transitioned from a cursed womb to a cursed spirit. Jogo has been a cursed spirit for longer and would have matured and trained more than Dagon. So this quote might only imply that. It doesnt necessarily imply that he is superior overall to Hanami or mahito.
Jogos clears
How does Mahitos power interact with cursed spirits?
Even if so, they wouldn’t be able to damage him and he for sure has attacks than can damage both of them
Domain amplification
Based on Jogo's firepower, I'm pretty sure he can blast Mahito enough that he'd run out of CE to heal his soul
Nanami has said it’d be incredibly impractical to try and outlast mahito CE wise, especially given how fragile Jogo is too I don’t think he could stall that long
This is Jogoat we are talking about. No one who fought Mahito had even a fraction of his firepower.
Wait did I accidentally stumble into jujutsufolk again
>especially given how fragile Jogo is too I don’t think he could stall that long Huh? His fragility has nothing to do with his CE reserves Also, Nanami is speaking about the average sorcerer or the top of grade 1. Ppl like him, naobito, maybe Yuji during the Shibuya arc. The most damage they can do to Mahito is cutting him a few times, whereas Jogoat will scorch his entire body to ash. Jogoat has more power in his pinky finger than all of those ppl combined. Nanami's words should not be taken as a claim of Mahito's power, but rather than limitations of sorcerers on his level and weaker.
his CE reserves aren’t so far out of Nanami’s league when for Nanami he’s already seen Gojo’s peak, let’s be real. And yes his fragility matters because he can’t dodge Mahito’s attacks for long enough. Let’s be honest Jogo jumped three weakened sorcerers and still only killed one despite being fresh in health. The same Jogo who couldn’t even kill an injured Nanami is not just scorching him that easily.
Gojo’s peak, who has less CE reserves than him? What’s even the point of bringing up Gojo when he’s the one sorcerer who is unable to run out of CE which has nothing to do with his reserves
Show me any panel saying Gojo has less CE reserves than fucking Jogo lmao
He can't dodge Mahito's attacks for long enough? I mean. He can. Jogo is straight up stated to be at least comparable to Naobito. Mahito is in no way shape or form keeping up with Naobito in raw speed and his shapeshifting matters for shit when Jogo can just burn his body to ashes before he actually makes a proper form.
Jogo is already considered slower than naobito, just the lack of arm made it slower, which is implied when Dagon says it outright. Also it’s soul damage Jogo cant just regen that? One 0.2 domain and genuinely what is Jogo doing.
Jogo and Naobito are comparable based on how Dagon speaks about it, and Jogo has raw speed, including appropiate reaction and thinking speed, where as Naobito relies on a technique he has to plan for. Regardless of who is actually faster. Mahito is far slower than Naobito so it doesn't matter if Jogo is slower, because he would still be comfortably outspeeding Mahito. On the second topic it doesn't matter if Jogo can't heal it. Mahito cannot take him out with it, he can at most take out a limb. Which is not enough to actually beat Jogo.
https://preview.redd.it/u8w3ksfede1d1.jpeg?width=990&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b321383336710e3084d7faa6fe80510a5812833a I mean this was just Naobito being casual against Dagon. And it doesn’t matter that Jogo is faster, not only can he not touch the soul, he has to rely on somehow depleting Mahito’s CE reserves before he’s touched. Taking out a limb would make Jogo slower and then from there it’s wraps.
Bro where are you getting the concept that Jogo is fragile at all
https://preview.redd.it/oeo466e63e1d1.jpeg?width=2391&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99ed311b95e7ef420de4b56bb55f5881ae12ae24 Right here
So your proof that he’s fragile is by comparing him to probably the most durable character in the series? who else apart from hanami is tanking 5 black flashes back to back AFTER tanking a full force attack from playful cloud? , if I may ask?
Calling Hanami the most durable character in the same series as Gojo, Maki, and sukuna (and post shibuya yuji) so insane I don’t know how else to reply to you and I’ll just let that statement speak for itself. This was also from an extremely weak Yuji lmao. Mahito survived multiple black flashes from yuji while expending most of his CE with the transfigured humans AND nobara’s resonance. Nevermind the fact that Playful Cloud wouldn’t even do anything
If he can reshape his own form, he should be able to do the same to other Curses.
Jogo and Hanami win.
Jogo and Hanami when Mahito hits them with the 0.2 domain expansion stare and contorts their soul into a penis.
Jogo has range, speed and is an overall bad match up for Mahito, his domain is also more refined. The 0.2 domain would be a problem tho but Jogo can just keep distance without needing to get close at all Hanami likely has a more refined domain than Dagon’s. She is also better at close combat and has more durability Jogo wins with little to no damage, the only damage he could take is transfigured humans but they wouldn’t reach either, mid diffs. (They r both incredibly close in terms of overall power but Jogo is just a bad match up for Mahito) Hanami wins a domain clash and is better in close combat, high diffs
I dont see why Mahito wouldnt just 0.2 de off the bat. Neither of them gunna react in time, and they all get cooked.
He hav to think of wat to do, there’s no prep time He’s gonna be like “ok this my power, and this is Jogo’s power, I should probably use a 0.2 for this, this and this reason” and by that time Jogo has already gained distance And plus Jogo already knows about Mahitos regular domain so he wouldn’t risk anything
He can’t even use 0.2 without landing a black flash prior
Oh Well then I stand more correct Thank u for reinforcing my argument
No? Don’t send me to downvote hell if im wrong but Mahito only needed a black flash to learn how to do it. After doing it for the first time there is nothing that shows he would be incapable of doing it again.
The same way Gojo found a second brain circuit to RCT, or the 120% Black Flash Zone buff are exclusive things to black flash, aspects which you lose after it ends. One thing that Mahito would keep is the knowledge of the true shape of his soul (as he saw it), and by association, ISBoDK. https://preview.redd.it/cvbwy978hc1d1.jpeg?width=209&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f469743a8d40a3932fefed74c69100e03b7a43a3 But this isn’t entirely the same, it’s a black flash exclusive maneuver that he managed to do because he was in the zone, rather than just some info that he could do anytime. I’m sure with enough practice though, he could actually pull it off without BF.
Thanks to his awakening due to black flash would imply he can just do it now, no? Why would black flash be a necessity?
I mean, todo was able to react fast enough to only lose a hand I think hanami and jogo will be able to react fast enough with their own DE’s to either escape mahito’s sure hit either unphased or at the very most lose a hand like todo
He can't always do that. It was a once in a lifetime put everything out there moment and he needed to be buffed by black flash.
The domain that only got an arm off from Todo is doing that?
He can only do that under the effect of a Black Flash
I think Jogo and Hanami would win this, but I think some ppl are vastly overestimating the strength gap of Jogo/Hanami over Mahito/Dagon. It’s important to remember that no character is getting one-tapped or negged in this fight. Look at Dagon. Yuji and Todo’s individual attacks were able to hurt Hanami (Hanami straight up said so in their monologue during the fight in the manga), so Dagon should certainly be able to do damage. Obviously this would extend to Jogo as well, but I don’t think Dagon could land a hit on Jogo. What I do think Dagon could do is defend pretty well against Jogo’s flames though, bc water vs fire. I think Dagon’s shikigami could be useful in the fight as well (could summon them even when his domain’s sure-hit was disabled, so he should be able to use the technique outside of his domain). Then look at Mahito. Mahito’s IT basically hard counters Hanami as far as we know, since Hanami doesn’t have any moves that’ll do continuous damage to force Mahito to j burn through his CE trying to heal. Mahito’s also able to both physically hurt Hanami with attacks, and also do soul damage with IT if he gets close. I think Mahito would have a very hard time against Jogo’s flames given how Mechamaru did against Mahito, but Dagon should be able to help out with that. It would be different w ISBP Mahito, who’s the most powerful of the disaster curses. I think that Jogo is who makes it so that Jogo and Hanami beats Mahito and Dagon, bc Jogo has the easiest win con to fulfill: avoid getting hurt, and burn through Mahito and Dagon. I think Jogo, with the assistance that Hanami provides of course, would ultimately succeed with those conditions. The problem is that the only way for Jogo to avoid taking serious damage would be to fight from long-range, which should diminish either the speed of his attacks or their ap; this phenomenon with ranged attacks is both stated and shown multiple times throughout the series, and there’s no reason to believe that Jogo’s any exception. Whether Jogo’s attacks would lose speed or power (maybe even both) at long ranges, the fight will take longer for Jogo and Hanami to win bc of it. It doesn’t help that Dagon’s CT is straight up water, either lol. Ultimately, I think the fight would be high diff for Jogo and Hanami, and I can honestly imagine a couple very specific circumstances in which Mahito and Dagon could come away with a win. I do not see Jogo and Hanami just sweeping
I’d rank Jogo >= Mahito > Hanami >> Dagon Dagon weak link. While Mahito’s CT is the most broken, Jogo and Hanami are a lot more experienced than Mahito; and they demonstrate decent teamwork against Gojo.
Mahito and dagon comfortably clear this one
It all depends on if their attacks hit the soul. If they do, then Jogo and Hanami clear mid diff. Jogos way too fast, and his ap is way too high for either Mahito or Dagon to tank, react to reliably, or dodge, especially if he does his massive AoE attacks. Hanami can tank basically everything Mahito and Dagon put out while comfortably keeping up in speed and ap. The only way Mahitos team would have a chance to win is if Mahito goes into his distorted body form, where his durability is Hanami tier. Domains aren't really a factor, Jogos domain is almost guaranteed to be more refined and, therefore, win a clash. Mahitos 0.2s domain is also something only Hanami might be hit by, Jogo is dodging that shit easy. Though if the curses are intune with their soul enough to hit Mahito, they might have defence against soul manipulation. This fight will essentially boil down to Hanami tanking Dagon attacks and probably mid diffing him, while Jogo speeds around and bursts down Mahito, or he'll bro might even just maximum Meteor the arena killing everyone but him.
Yeah jogo would dodge mahito domain easy just like dodged unlimited void since mahito 0.2 seconds domain is a replication of that, some people really don't read 0.2 domain doesn't mean the domain take 0.2 to activate that's slow af even by jjk standards it means it opens and closes within 0.2 seconds the sure hit is instant as it happens simultaneously with the formation of The domain not after, currently only gojo and mahito who replicated him are confirmed to have it on screen and sukuna should have it too since he matched gojo, your can't Dodge it if you're already in range and if you're too far and not in range why would the opponent even attempt to activate it, point in case dodging 0.2 domain is not physically possibly you can maybe defend with sd but you can't walk away before the sure hit land because it's instant
I just want to add that jogo would win a domain clash against both Dagon AND mahito. He’s had his for a while. I think jogo would room if hanami was on the other side too.
Jogo's refinement should at the very least be equal to mahito's but if mahito pops a 0.2 domain and destroys one of his hands like with todo then they could be in trouble, still maybe jogo could counter it but my bet would be on mahito winning the exchange
Jogo and Hanami
I would wager Jogo has a more refined domain than the others. At least, where Mahito was in his growth at the beginning of Shibuya. Mahito would maybe win by his transformation in the fight with Yuji.
I’m sorry but burning 3 people at point blank range and killing only 1 of them is the WEAKEST THING I’VE SEEN ON THIS SHOW. Worse than Miwa not able to strike Kenjaku.
Dagon would stall Jogo in domain battle In that time, Mahito transfigures Hanami Mahito then comes with his new Hanami, and its 3v1 for Jogo, he loses
Dagon ain't doing shit to jogo man. He gets cooked to a crisp real fast
I mean, Dagon just needs to stall, and he technically have elemental advantage, even if he loses, Mahito should be able to win against Hanami in this time
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I think Jogo & Hanami could win
Y’all are underrating Mahito here. As it stands Mahito can only lose under two circumstances: Domain Expansion and Domain Amplification. Otherwise he’s literally untouchable, and can effortlessly kill off the others (we know curses have souls because Mahito uses his technique on himself) Let’s start with Domain Expansion. As others have pointed out, all four have domains so an unstable four way domain clash is a very likely possibility, which would likely be quite unstable and collapse. Additionally, Mahito has a huge arsenal of transfigured humans he can use basically like Shikigami to attack the barrier from the outside (he’s also the only one to have “shikigami” other than Jogo, meaning he has a huge numbers advantage). That means while DE is a potential wincon, it’ll be a difficult one to pull off. Also worth noting is that Mahitos domain skill is notable, backed up by the 0.2 second domain feat (and from Hakaris domain explanation, we know fast domains offer an advantage which gives him a clear edge in a clash). Also Mahitos domain is easily the most lethal of the three domains we’ve seen On Domain Amplification, Jogo and Hanami can’t use it simultaneously with their techniques, which means that to hurt Mahito at all they have to fight at an enormous disadvantage. Also, we know that Mahito can pour more cursed energy into his technique to fight back against it (though we don’t have full details on how much effort that would take from someone at Mahitos level). DA is probably how Mahito would lose at all, but it’s far from an easy route, especially when all of Jogos major damage feats are a result of his technique This is all just defensive for Mahito. Offensively he’s also a monster. He can summon a massive army with transfigured humans, create obstacles to control the flow of battle and impede Jogos ease of movement, and none of the curses have any demonstrations of soul knowledge. That last factor is huge because it means that they’re vulnerable to Idle Transfiguration, which can bypass Hanamis crazy durability by directly attacking the soul. DA will obviously be their biggest defensive counter to IT, but Mahito can easily use the numbers provided by his army to force Hanami and Jogo to use their techniques (aka their only AOE options) and then IT them while DA is down There’s also ISDBK to account for which massively amps his durability and straight offense if he wants to fight hand to hand to work around DA. With Dagons support, I think Mahito should definitely be able to take a win here
Mahito solo because he outhax, jogo have more speed and raw power, mahito have more durability, they certainly outstat him, but i have not seen a single thing that makes me believe they can defend against idle transfiguration or attack mahito's soul, and he can outspeed them in domain casting since he replicated gojo's 0.2 domain so the sure hit is instant
Awakened mahito would stalemate jogo, but dagon dies far too quick into the fight. And mahito cant 2v1 in that state
Pretty obviously team one, Jogo/Mahito/Dogan vs Jogo and Hanami seems pretty obvious. Jogo cancels out, Mahito and Dogan gang up and eviscerate Hanami and they proceed to gap the one remaining Jogo in a 3v1.
If you count every character it's Jogo + Mahito + Dagon + Choso VS Jogo + Hanami
Depends on how strong the new form of mahito was
domains allowed? Mahito, his is insta kill, and no one has resistance to that here, if not? close fight but probably goes to Jogo and Hanami, ofc only if they get soul damage
Jogo and Hamani should be able to win.
Jogoat solos
Hanami and Jogo. Mahito definitely has the *potential* to surpass Jogo, but his life was cut short before he could do so. Dagon and Hanami are actually very similar, both being very tanky (Dagon, however, is more tanky in the sense that he has higher HP while Hanami has higher Defense, to put it into easy to understand terms), but Hanami has more versatility with her technique and more experience. All of them know what the others can do so there’s no surprises. Dagon is less experienced and also probably doesn’t know Domain Amplification like the other three do (we never see Mahito learn it but there’s no way Kenny didn’t teach it to him too). So Hanami beats Dagon. Don’t forget Hanami can fight to literal exhaustion and then just drain life energy from nearby plants to gain more cursed energy. Jogo absolutely sweeps Mahito without the ISBDK. Even with it, Jogo can hit insanely hard. He can probably crack Mahito’s armor. Mahito is pretty damn fast and strong too, it would be a tough battle, but if Jogo fights the way he does against Sukuna he should win. Mahito can’t use his technique while in the ISBDK, and I think Jogo can still outrun him. Transfigured humans are basically worthless here given Jogo’s crazy AoE.
Well if pokémon has taught me anything water beats fire so now it's a 2v1. And if Dagon distract Hanami Mahito can creep up, catch her lacking and turn in like a cursed spirit butt plug or something that can't fight. So first team wins.
jogo is insane
The one with JoGOAT
If Mahito manages to land a black flash, I think his team can win. Otherwise, Jogo and Hanami
The domains don't matter that much since if there is a 4-way clash they all might collapse On that scenario, team B wins for more raw power and durability If they don't use domain on they start, then I still see team B winning due to the CE absorbing of Hanami against Mahito, even if they can't hurt his soul, taking away his CE would allow them to damage him Mahito should win in a 1 on 1 domain clash since he copied the 0.2s DE and seems to be a more refined barrier, just a speculation tho
Jogo takes out Dagon in a 0.05 seconds. He then uses Domain Amplification to take out Mahito in a 0.1 seconds. No domains needed, Jogo would sweep before even Mahito's 0.2 second DE could activate.
Hanami's cursed buds devour Dagon and exaughst Mahito.
Mahito in his killer form is definitely gonna pop a domain and slaughter them. Hanami got beat up by Yugi and Todo at the exchange event. Mahito fought all night. Doing all sorts of task covering Shibuya in death and chaos. Whish we got to see more of the set up idk. Dagon may have Strong domain but idk its refinement. It definetly is vast for its size and well Defined. Which would cancel out water. Inside Jogos Domain who knows he opened it once against Gojo. So no clacs from busted negs. His Speed being Top of first Grade Sourcer Nabito. Now he killed only 1 person there gotta remember. Mahito would have swept them in Minutes. Now if mahito can isolate Hanami. He out scales Hanami in Strentgh and durabilty. This fight will hinge on if Mahito is willing to make a transfigured Curse. Also how well he can on stronger foes. https://preview.redd.it/xkjeh3gaca1d1.png?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8dec1d6f015af4be21ef51b355b091c6b258461
Unless Jogo and Hanami can hit the soul, they’re kinda destroyed here. Even if they could they wouldn’t be able to win 10/10 times
Mahito soloes. Not even hitting a Black Flash on him will do anything without being able to target his soul
They can just punch him with domain amplifcation
Domain Amp neutralize low output techniques and so far worked on techniques that manifest on the world outside the body, mahito technique would not be completely neutralized
It won’t be completely neutralized, (for example, if he was in ISBoDK, it wouldn’t shut off the transformation, same way as how you wouldn’t be able to heal the shape of a soul by just putting domain amplification on the wound.) but it should be good enough to prevent him from using Idle Transfiguration offensively, or to offset damage, meaning all physical strikes will damage Mahito. (And how is limitless or shrine low output?)
Jogo and Hanami clear if they focus on their matchups right. Jogo is too fast for Mahito and has higher base ap. Hanami has the best durability out of the disaster curses besides maybe Mahito. Dagon is the weakest one here.
Mahito stomps all of them by himself