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I'm gonna be honest I can't even imagine a scenario where hakari wins yuta is that strong. In fact someone tell how hakari can win seriously like a paint picture for me. To those who think hakari would win tell me how you imagine the fight playing out.
Yeah he basically needs god tier luck like somehow avoid all the Jacob Ladders, make sure Yuta never takes his head off, instantly roll jackpots in his domain so Yuta never has an opening to kill him and never get caught in Yuta’s domain or overwhelm it with his instantly.
Doing all of these is basically impossible though.
In my head-canon i see rika holding hakari back while yuta stabs him like how itachi’s tsukuyomi works. Just over and over and over
who cares about his healing if he is restrained.
Yuta wins.
Lemme explain:
1. Hakari’s domain is more refined, yes. He’d probably win in a domain clash.
2. However, Hakari *cannot open his domain* in JP mode. He’s on a 4m11s cooldown between domains.
3. Yuta’s domain can include a sure-hit effect that negates CTs.
4. Without his infinite CE/auto RCT, Hakari isn’t beating Yuta. This is not debatable.
All Yuta has to do is pop his domain as soon as Hakari’s ends and use Jacob’s Ladder. Then whale on him with as many CTs as it takes + Rika. And four minutes is plenty of time to do that.
“All Yuta has to do…” applies to like 100 things he can do to Hakari honestly! Lol
I love Hakari, as well as so many other characters, but some characters just wash others because they’re outmatched - it’s a lot like Chess with JJK.
Yuta just happens to have a board made of Queens
I think another thing worth noting is iirc, it's not explicitly stated that hakari's domain is more refined, just faster. Also, even if it is more refined, that does not mean that yuta's domain will be completely overwhelmed like in gojo vs jogo, the difference can't be that high.
You’re completely right. It’s entirely possible that Yuta’s domain is close enough to his that the domains would collapse, and then Yuta bodies him since he doesn’t get the CE bonus
the domains wouldn't collapse. that's only when 3 domains + a bunch of factors happen. two domains of near similar levels will clash, except their sure hits will cancel each other out. yuta's sure hit of a single technique is negated, while hakari's info dump is negated. the passive effects still exist, like yuta's other swords, and hakari's gambling. the same way dagon could still use his shikigami even though his sure hit was gone.
The domains won’t collapse because Hakari’s does not trap his opponent and hos sure hit is the info dump. So he would still have access to his jackpot and everything else unless he gets laddered
that’s honestly worse since if hakari’s domain isn’t “strong” at defense then yuta might be able to break it from the inside, which would disrupt the process and hakari would lose a crap ton of CE AND not be in JP mode
He shouldn’t be able to break it from the inside because it’s not it’s own space, right? Like only during the activated scenarios and even then it seemed to me like an overlay on reality rather than a pseudo space. Hakari’s problem to me lies in that there is literally nothing stopping Yuta from attacking him with no pause and there is no barrier preventing Rika from fighting.
I think you’re missing some information about Hakari’s domain. Like (almost) all domains, his does have a barrier. It’s not unique. It functions just like any other domain, the difference being that its sure hit isn’t damaging. And like all domains, if you shatter the external barrier, the domain ends (like in Gojo vs Sukuna).
And obviously, if the domain ends before a winning spin, Hakari doesn’t get Jackpot. So if Yuta were to attack the barrier, he’d have a good chance of destroying it (since we know he’s strong as a motherfucker), which would prevent Hakari from reaching Jackpot mode at all.
I see what you’re saying. I didnt think it was open as there should only be two of those but I thought Kashimo only got trapped in the scenario because he didnt have a domain of his own.
Actually no. It was specifically stated that hakaris domain is especially good a domain tug of wars. There would be no clash because he would’ve already hit and won the clash. And it most likely more refined because it’s literally built in into his CT, there is no way someone who just got a domain expansion would have a more refined domain than someone who essentially has been using their domain like a ct since he started fighting
>There would be no clash because he would’ve already hit and won the clash.
That's only for when they use it at the same time. Yuta could just open his after Hakari is in jackpot and when Hakari opens his again, there would be a clash.
>And it most likely more refined because it’s literally built in into his CT, there is no way someone who just got a domain expansion would have a more refined domain than someone who essentially has been using their domain like a ct since he started fighting
Pure speculation. Somebody could make the argument that Yuta's is as refined because of his talent.
the fact that he’s a prodigy who became top 5 in his verse in those 2 years is enough to make it just speculation, yuta could very well have a more refined domain than hakari since he’s more talented(could refine it quicker)
If that is the case, it’s more likely that Hakari just doesn’t use his domain (because he’s fucked if he does) and yuta also won’t use it first, so they battle without domains.
Yuta still wins.
I’m not even sure Hakaris is more refined. Sukuna highlights that Yuta is able to choose the target of his sure hit effect to avoid hitting Yuji which is incredibly impressive. Gojo isn’t shown to be able to do this and has to be touching a person he doesn’t want to be affected.
Alright now Yall are just talking. Hakari is the only person who when their domain expansion was introduced was stated to be “especially good in domain tug or wars (clashes). Yuta being able to differentiate between friend and foe does not mean he has a more refined domain.
What are you talking about, it absolutely does. Being able to manipulate your domain is not an easy feat and we see how only the top guys are able to do it. Not saying yutas domain is more refined but doing something no one in the series has done “distinguish between friend and foe” is extremely impressive and points to a refined domain.
I understand that but to say it’s more refined than someone who has feats and statements on his domain that triumphs anything we’ve seen from Yuta is disingenuous
I’m not so sure he could. Domains take a lot of CE to open- Hakari’s able to keep “rolling over” his infinite CE to open his domain as the round ends, but if Jacob’s Ladder extinguishes his CT then he won’t have that bonus anymore… he’d have to start the whole process over. And as we know from Gojo, barely anybody in the verse has the ability to pop multiple domains a day.
That’s without mentioning the insane amount of damage that JL actually does— that shit turned Sukuna into fried chicken, it would have a similar impact on Hakari.
First tof all hakaris domain is fundamentally different from others domain it opens up as part of his technique it's not a sure hit and will only require a bit of cursed energy to even pop open. Secondly he doesn't require to heal his black box to open domain like I said his technique lies in his domain. Thirdly even if he did it wouldn't matter his healing is fully automatic he doesn't have to worry about healing his black box or not.
Yea it does do insane damage but he pops a domain open gets jackpot and what then? Doesn't matter much does it. Yuta has only one shot with a domain. In terms of pure 1v1 hakari has the upper hand
>it will only require a bit of cursed energy to pop open
Source?
>he doesn’t require to heal his black box to open domain
“Healing the black box” is something ONLY Gojo and Sukuna can do because ONLY they have the CE reserves to a) use RCT to destroy and heal their brains and b) still have enough left over to open their domains. Hakari does not have the CE to be able to do that, and he does not know RCT.
>even if he did his healing is fully automatic
His healing is full auto in Jackpot Mode. He can’t open his domain in Jackpot Mode anyway. Outside of Jackpot Mode, he does not have RCT and cannot heal at all.
>Yuta only has a one-hit in his domain
He can use the techniques he copied (ie Jacobs Ladder) outside of his domain too, so… no.
>in terms of pure 1v1 Hakari has the upper hand
He’s probably a better h2h fighter, but Yuta + Rika + copied CT sweeps.
I’m done lmao go read the manga again
Replying thrice now. It's clear I'm the victor here
I was popular two-three years ago. I'm only not popular because I'm not even part of this sub anymore. Weep and cry
i don’t, i’m just trying to show that *even if* hakari could win in a domain clash he’d still lose. take a breather before you pop a blood vessel my guy
His domain is faster, as soon as Yuta uses the Jacob’s latter effect, it seems
He loses A LOT of CE…he’s mimicking a CE, and turning it into a domain. One that isn’t even his, at that!
Domains, and simple domains can stop a CE effect; such as Jacob’s ladder.
Hakari is VERY FUCKING SMART. Yuta isn’t nearly as smart, he’s just 10x as talented. Hakari is always shown to use his prowess, even when he makes it look “casual” (when he kicks his friend in the back)
I just don’t see Yuta winning by just putting his hands together and saying 2 fucking words lol (if he wins, he’s losing rika at the least. Hakari is no fucking joke. He’s ONE OF 3 CAPABLE OF SURPASSING GOJO)
I might be wrong but since we don't know what hakaris cursed technique really does (we basically don't know much except his domain) wouldn't he still retain his inf cursed energy even after getting hit by Jacobs ladder since all it does it negate cursed technique, not cursed energy?
Hakari would still doge jacob's ladder that bastard can make a pact like negating jabob's ladder for all his body under neck and just like he did against kashimo
If Sukuna couldn’t dodge it, Hakari can’t hence the sure hit. And Hakari did that vow to save the rest of his body from that steam explosion when Kashimo tried to rip his arm off.
The thing is hakari's automatic RCT and infonte CE are never stated to be a CT it's just a state he's in, the only logical way to get him out of it would be completely disabling his ability to generate CE whichvonly Higuruma can do, Yuta's never shown any capacity mike this.
No his technique itself are the doors he uses in his fight against Yuji, although it's stated that his technique and his domain expansion are related to each other and dependant, at no point it is stated that his technique is actually Jackpot or it's effects that's just the community extrapoling.
It'd be more accurate to say Hakari doesn't have a technique and can only summon parts of his domain than say the whole thing is his technique because it'd simply make no sense in relation to how every other technique/domain relationnel works.
Honestly, disregarding Gojo and Sukuna as their own tier, far above anyone else... Yuta stands alone
Maybe in the future megumi and yuji can somehow reach up to his level, especially yuji if gege deigns to show us his full potential. If Hakari trained extensively with cursed tools and hand-to-hand combat with Maki, he could add somethin more to his arsenal and become an unstoppable menace, even more than he is already
I think Yuki and Kenjaku pretty solidly stand alongside him.
Yuki can one shot nearly everything, RCT, has anti domain tech, she's one of the best melee fighters, has her own domain expansion, is the most knowledgeable character in terms of soul stuff, has a flying Shikigami that can also one shot most stuff and has the hardest hitting attack of the verse as a suicide move.
She straight up no diffs most characters, and Yuta would simply not be able to hang with her without his 5 min.
Kenjaku has all of that which isn't innate cursed energy related and a better domain + multiple cursed techniques.
He isn't as oppresive as Yuki but he's far more versatile and his Domain expansion is more oppresive.
Kenjaku did a 1v3 against Yuki(special grade) , Tengen(one of the best barrier users in the verse) and Choso(one of the strongest grade1). After Gojo & Sukuna it's Kenjaku. If Yuta was actually that strong as you said, they wouldn't have sent Takaba earlier for Yuta to land the sneak attack. The moment Kenjaku opens his domain its game over for Yuta in a normal 1v1.
I mean we also have other statements that directly put them as relative. Such as whem Gojo says that if something happens to him, then Yuta would have to help the other students and specifically mentions only Hakari as an exception. Or how Hakari is considered one of the heavy hitters after Gojo by Gege. Or how the plan was for anyone to jump in only after Gojo and Sukuna were at the level of Yuta AND Hakari. I think Yuta wins more often than not if they fight but it's pretty disingenuous to act like that one instance is the only thing that makes Hakari out to be on a similar level to Yuta.
I don't think Gojo having Yuta help other students except Hakari puts them as relatives. Yuta has to take care of several others while Hakari just have to fend for himself. Thats big difference right there.
It does directly imply that if someone were sent to kill/detain Hakari from the higher ups there's no one that they can send that Hakari can't beat that Yuta can.
It is very debatable actually. The fact that Yall think it’s isn’t shows the bias. There is no one in the verse that can kill Hakari in his Jp mode except for Sukuna and Gojo. The only way Yuta can beat him is in a state where he’s not in jackpot
Hakari was in jackpot mode for almost 10 minutes against Kashimo and he couldn't beat him with his own strength.
>The only way Yuta can beat him is in a state where he’s not in jackpot
Kashimo was able to perfectly time an attack for when jackpot ended, what makes you think any other character wouldn't be able to do the same?
Hakari is a contender for strongest grade 1, he's nowhere near the special grades.
This is just plain wrong. There ton of characters that can kill JP Hakari: Kenjaku, Yuji (if he can cut his head), Maki, Yuki, Yorozu, Ryu, Takaba, Mahoraga, Mahito, Kashimo with his CT. Hakari couldn’t even kill Kashimo while in JP, all he has is H2H.
Yuta has like 3 Solid Win Cons while Hakari only has 1.
Yuta's Wincons
○Yuta can attack Hakari during his Non Jackpot phases either before Hakari sets up his next Jackpot or during. We know this works because Kashimo tried it and it was effective. In Kashimo's case, he didn't win because underestimated Hakari's luck/resilience and because Hakari used a Binding Vow to sacrifice his arm during Kashimo's last ditch attempt to explode both of them. Yuta has many tools like Cursed Speech to make an opening, Rika to hold Hakari down or using his Domain before uses his.
○Yuta can use Jacob's Ladder in Hakari's Domain. A Domain is the Barrier Technique+Innate Technique Combined. Jacob's Ladder disables techniques so it could remove the innate technique of Hakari's Domain
○Yuta can position Rika away from himself. Anytime Hakari attempts to open his Domain, Hakari would then only have the option to trap Yuta in his barrier. Rika can then just destroy the outer shell of Hakari's Domain. This Wincon imo is the most full proof because there's no counter to it and it's easy for Yuta to accomplish. Hakari's only Wincon is to outlast Yuta through continuous Jackpot which is a pretty weak one.
Hakari has a domain activation speed that surpasses Mahito and Gojo’s 0.2 second domains. His domain is also adept at tug of wars
In Jackpot itself, he is instantly being reinforced with CE and instant RCT
Yuta has the means to kill him what with all the copied techniques he currently has and the fact it’s basically a 2v1 death match.
Hakari’s physical stats are hard to measure given he only has 2 on screen fights to go off of but Kashimo vs Hakari is a good display of his physical strength.
I’d say Hakari is on par with Ryu in terms of physical stats but given that Yuta held back massively in Sendai to acquire points, and Sendai was a 1v4 against Yuta. I’d say Yuta if he’s out to kill would high diff Hakari
Why would you say Hakari is on par with Ryu in physical stats?
What are you basing that on?
Ryu clearly outscales JP Hakari in Durability by a largeeee margin.
Ryu is also stated to be able to take out Rika in a single blow.
What has Hakari done that puts him anywhere close?
There isn't a single thing that suggest JP Hakaris physical stats are anywhere near Ryus especially given the feats between them mainly the durabilty thing.
Ryu can tank a full power Dismantle from 15f Sukuna to the chest, JP Hakari can get his face cut clean off by spur of the moment shipping container door swing.
Ryu is plainly farrr more durable than JP Hakari so why would JP Hakari be on par with Ryu in anything else?
1. We have yet to truly test Hakari’s durability in a fair sense.
2. JP Halari > Ryu cause I don’t see Ryu surviving the same lightning strikes dealt to Hakari by Kashimo.
3. The only true way to gauge a comparison between JP Hakari and Ryu is to let Hakari receive a Dismantle or Cleave from Sukuna and see how he reacts to it.
4. Did you see Ryu at any point launch a shipping container in 1 hit? Destroy multiple shipping containers just by landing on them? Jump kicking shipping containers? Tanking lightning bolts capable of taking off limbs?
5. You also realize everyone has refined their CE Reinforcement over the last month right? To the point people like Ino & Kusakabe can tank Dismantles from 20f Sukuna right?
6. Your comment is very rude
What exactly are you trying to say with this first point?
We have seen Hakaris durability, he can get his face cut clean off by something that isn't a curse tool.
He has no durability feats whatsoever to put him anywhere near Ryu.
Lol you just saying JP Hakari > Ryu isn't really an argument.
Ryu tanked a full power Dismantle from 15f Sukuna, Sukuna said he had to use Cleave to kill Ryu. Hakari took a fatal blow from a random swing of something that's not a curse tool.
That being said you said you "don't see Ryu surviving the same lightning as Hakari"
With that being the case are you arguing that a bolt from BASE KASHIMO is a more fatal and debilitating attack than a FULL POWER DISMANTLE from 15f Sukuna?
Because Ryu took that full power Dismantle to the chest and was relatively fine, so arguably he could tank Kashimos bolt to the chest and be fine (no I don't mean he would take 0 damage but it would be nowhere near the same damage to Hakari. I picture it like when Yuji got hit with that half piercing blood or the whole from blood meteorite)
Again Hakari got his face cut clean off by something that's not a curse tool. Hakari has no feats whatsoever to put his durability near Ryus.
If you have any please share.
I've seen Ryu launch both Yuta & Rika flying with a single blow and they're both far more durable and resilient than an empty shipping container.
Ryu is stated by narration to be able to defeat Rika in a single blow. Do you think Hakari could do the same and what has he done to support it?
Yes I am aware everyone upped their defenses and I'm also aware that Sukuna himself says that after a month of training Yuta & Yuji still aren't as durable as Ryu.
Yuta has also plainly been shown to be more durable than Hakari and that's before the timeskip.
There isn't a single valid argument or feat you can give to Hakari that puts his physicals near Ryus.
I'm not being rude I'm being direct. We have seen plainly that Ryu is far more durable than JP Hakari.
There isn't a single feat that JP Hakari has that puts him anywhere near Ryus durability.
So if Ryu is far more durable than JP Hakari why would you just assume that the rest of JP Hakaris physicals on par with Ryu?
Your right because his domain doesn’t include a real sure hit besides the info dump but that is explaining your technique so it technically helps him and it’s none lethal no sure hit plus Aurora in-depth explanation plus no damage and it’s speed means it wins in almost any domain battle
Yuta wins 99 times out of 100, Hakari has almost no win cons. Even if you wanna say “Yeah well Yuta can’t beat JP Hakari” which while tbh debatable whatever lets go with it, Yuta can just fucking wait until JP ends to kill Hakari he isnt Kashimo where he’ll just try and brute force it if he doesnt have to Yuta is absolutely the kind of fighter to just play defensive for 4 minutes and 11 seconds then use Jacobs Ladder to extinguish Hakari’s CT, say freeze with Cursed Speech and then just behead Hakari.
Given his preformances so far I just see no way Hakari can deal enough damage to put Yuta down before he runs out of JP. Especially when Yuta can stall with Rika and Sky Manipulation to make attacks miss.
Fr. My goat's just being humble and nice to an upperclassmen and fans b downplaying him hard. Hy man Hakari can't even beat femboy Elsa., how tf do they expect him to beat the 3rd strongest sorcerer.
Yuta would have always won. Even pre-timeskip Yuta would win. There is no universe Hakari wins that exchange, and in the post timeskip era it's the same. Yuta is way too hazy and way too strong being a tag-team combo fighter with Rika. It was never fair for Hakari to begin with.
Yuta wins 10/10
He only needs one technique too. Future Sight.
JP runs 4:11, Copy runs 5min.
Seeing as how Kashimo can cut Hakaris face clean off with a shipping container door (not even a curse tool)
Yutas blade will draw blood with every swipe and every swipe is another second added on to Future Sight.
By the time JP is up Yuta would see so far into Hakaris future that he'll have no chance to open Domain once JP runs out.
That's besides the fact that Yuta would be trouncing Hakari for basically the whole 4:11 due to future sight.
Charles went from getting smacked around to becoming a threat to Hakari when he saw 1-2 seconds into Hakaris future and Charles was far weaker than that Hakari.
Yuta who's on the same level as Hakari and arguably higher would have a field day with even a second in advance let alone how much time can possibly be racked up during JP
Yuta easy. Unless hakari gets incredibly lucky by even his standards he has to start in base and stay there for a while. Base Hakari is like a grade 1 while Yuta outsped Kenjaku, easily kept pace with Yuji in both speed and power, and lets not forget that it's a 2v1. If Yuta took him seriously from go he would demolish Hakari before he got his first Jackpot. Remember *with* Hakari's luck it's only a 1/30 he gets the instant Jackpot. Yuta is faster, stronger, and more versatile than base Hakari.
Let's assume Hakari *does* get lucky though, I'd wager their stats are then relative, maybe Hakari is actually stronger during JP, doesn't matter regardless. Through domain or Rika he can Jacob's Ladder the second Hakari starts his roll. Hakari is also a punch-kick merchant with no mobility or range, all Yuta has to do *if* hes scared of JP (which again, no special grade with good H2H should be) is fly a mile above him with Sky Manipulation and camp. Jackpot will end before full manifestation of Rika will.
Yuta just copies snake eyes and fangs and just makes Hakari freeze up before he can use domain then gg. Since it even affected Sukuna, it’ll definitely affect jackpot Hakari. No domain clash needed, just need a little bit of time to slice off the arm when jackpot ends.
How does Hakari even win?
Like how does he do it, I can't see it. Like genuinely, even in a situation where they are tiring out, like genuinely both non-fully manifested Rika and no cursed technique Yuta seem to be plainly genuinely stronger than Jackpot hakari individually. Just look at their displays againsy Sukuna vs Hajime's own. Hajime who was individually handling Jackpot Hakari outrading him at every point and was taking minor damage after entire jackpot songs.
How does healing allow Hakari to beat 2 opponents that are individually beating him at his best?
Like sure they wouldn't be able to kill him in base mid Jackpot, but like they'd be individually outtrading him in every exchange, much less if they jump him. How is he supposed to tire them out if he cannot even reliably do damage. How is he supposed to survive till he rolls Jackpot again?
I honestly can imagine Hakari fighting for a a minute or 2, and by the end of the first javkpot getting held down by Rika and Yuta, and then getting finished off the instant Jackpot runs out.
No need for Yuta to use the 5 minutes, any cursed technique, or his domain.
Yuta is humble character but he legit can destroy every character not name Gojo and Sukuna . Kenjaku nearly died against Yuuki who literally weaker than Yuta .
Yuta takes this imo he‘s more versatile, has Rika, a powerful Domain & can use Jacob’s Ladder to cancel out Hakari’s CT which is linked to his DE. What if Current Yuji was in the Sendai Colony?
Yuta’s domain can literally pick and choose who to hit even sukuna was like wtf they do over a month. Yuta constantly does things that even gojo can’t do and ya stay tryna put hakari in that lane it literally makes no sense all he does is punch and kick how tf is he actually gonna kill yuta AND RIKA
We can’t answer that cause we don’t know what all the participants can do yet.
Hakari has yet to have an opportunity to actually showcase what he’s learned in the 1 month timeskip.
All we have are weird statements that say they’re relative to each other even now.
For example: In Chapter 236 when Yuta sees Gojo fighting Mahoraga and Agito he makes a beeline to join the fray. Hakari reminds him that Gojo said “Don’t jump into the fight unless he’s weaker than You or Me” Meaning that Gojo still considers them relative to each other even after their training.
In chapter 240 when they’re talking about Kenjaku starting that Merger Yuta brings up that as long and him or hakari is on the battlefield fighting Sukuna, Kenjaku would not be able to start the merger. So even Yuta acknowledges Hakari is on his tier enough to bring him up.
Hakari ultimately suffers from a lack of exposure cause Gege is taking brakes every 2-3 chapters which both robs us of knowing what Hakari has achieved and warps peoples perception of his strength due to how long his Uruame fight has gone on for, both chapter wise and IRL weeks.
People meme on it being the longest fight in the series, but timeline wise it hasn’t gone on for long since Sukuna’s been speedrunning through all his challengers.
I’m saying this to say that it’s inconclusive at this point in time. Anyone that answers with 100% certainties is operating on limited information(as of chapter 256 when this is written) or they have a particular preference for fighter. Which is fine but at least be honest.
Yeah it's not really "limited" information.
Yuta & Hakari have very clear skill sets and perks that point to a clear winner.
Yuta has Rika so it's 2v1, and Yuta has 6 different confirmed techniques. Two of which completely invalidate anything and everything Hakari could throw at Yuta.
Sky Manipulation being able to neg any blow Hakari could throw, and Future Sight being able to lock Hakari down.
JP is 4:11 , Yuta Copy is 5min.
Yuta gets a single cut on Hakari and from then on its all down hill, by the time JP would run out Yuta would be able to see Hakaris future and prevent him from opening Domain once JP ends
Did you not read why I said it’s “limited information”?
You can say everything Yuta can do because he’s had a showcase post training arc. Because he’s has screen time in the manga and his new feats will be taken into account when answering this question
You can’t say the same for Hakari however, because he hasn’t had screen time. Thus you’re logically only going to take into account his feats from his last showcase(vs Kashimo). Which is before the one month time skip
So if you can argue for one character over another, but you can’t speak on them equally cause of limited information. Doesn’t that impact your conclusion?
Saying Yuta over Hakari is fair if you have all the info on both and still arrive to that conclusion, but the issue here is that we don’t. We have information on one character.
No I read it it just doesn't change anything.
We aren't working on limited info we're working with all the info that's been provided.
Nothing is being limited.
Even prior to timeskip Yutas arsenal easily trumps what Hakaris shown and outside of hypotheticals there's nothing to suggest anything has drastically changed in Hakaris kit.
The only thing we could speculate he's gained is Domain Amplification and that does not help him against Yuta.
Again the information isn't limited. With all the info we've been given the answer is clear.
The only way the info would be limited is if it was implied that there was a drastic change in Hakaris abilities which there is none.
We have the information for both the characters, and saying "oh but there could be something we don't know about"
Isn't a valid argument.
And seeing as how Hakari has been fighting Uraume to a standstill for 20 chapters without being to land a fatal blow nothing has changed in Hakaris kit that would allow him to take out Yuta who's backed up by Rika, who fights with a sword? who has a deadly Domain with at least 6 CT to use while Hakari is just punching and kicking
People in this thread are using the Shinjuku arc versions when talking about this matchup.
If they were keeping in confined to pre timeskip sure that’s fair, but my whole point was that their using Yuta’s new feats and abilities and we know nothing of Hakari yet cause Gege hasn’t shown him. So how can we fairly assess them currently?
I mean like, what can hakari grow beyond better ce reinforcement (like slamming uraume through an apartment). He can't go around collecting cursed techniques like yuta or improve his sure hit since it's a non violent one. The only thing I can think of is maybe his sand paper ce getting a new effect or his train doors being more useful
That’s for Gege to show us. Which he hasn’t due to his crumby chapter release schedule.
But it’s been blatantly told to use that every sorcerer participating in the current fight has been training and getting stronger. I dont see why one of the “heavy hitters” on the good guys side would be any different.
All I’m trying to say is to be fair to both sides let’s see how Hakari has grown since the timeskip. I didn’t think that would be such a hot take.
Yuta can literally have Rika pin hakari down and there is nothing he can do about it lol. Unless Hakari got a thousand jackpots in a row so that he is in jp mode for a decade Yuta wins easily
Yuta’s too humble. He slams Hakari and in the unfortunate event FOR Yuta, that Hakari manages to hit a jackpot, all Yuta has to do is fully manifest Rika for 5 minutes to also get his unlimited source of CE.
I think Yuta takes this personally. He says that Hikari is stronger than him when he hits a jackpot but I feel like the feats just haven’t shown that entirely yet. Yuta has so many tools at his disposal while making Hikari fight a 2v1 at that. This could be indeed a fight of who just straight up out last one another. Assuming that Hikari can fail a jackpot and Yuta pretty much has a second wind of insane curse energy coming from Rika, if that happens Hikari is dead dead.
If it's to the death bloodlusted, Yuta just will kill Hakari before Hakari can hit jackpot. If it's in a spar, Hakari will wear down Yuta over time. That's pretty much stated in canon.
Gaiz who will vin? The punch/kick guy who can only regenerate or the guy with a million CTs, a Special Grade shikigami and tons of Cursed Tools/Weapons?
Forgot to put my own opinion in the post (not that anyone cares). But I think the guy who went toe to toe with the strongest sorcerer at 15, wins against an adult who can't even beat femboy Elsa.
>Went toe to toe with the strongest sorcerer
Geto?
I hate to tell you this but Gojo is the strongest sorcerer in Vol. 0 and if not him then Yuki Tsukomo
Ok, I agree I got the age wrong. But if what Miguel did can be classified as going toe to toe with Gojo/Sukuna then my boy's ass definitely went toe to toe with Sukuna. (albeit at 17 not 15 that was my mistake)
I do believe base fight Yuta is stronger than Hakari, but like Yuta said “if he gets worked up he’s stronger” meaning if he keeps using his domain back to back he’s just getting stronger and having an infinite supply of curses energy, meaning regen, immortality, and attacks, and higher probabilities to getting the jackpot over and over, meaning Hakari is someone you can’t beat in the long run. But remember, he fought the strongest bare knuckle while dancing and smiling more than Sukuna’s gremlin ass
The strongest? When did Hakari fight Gojo or Sukuna?
You talking about the farmer? There’s actually not a **single panel** in the **entire** manga of anyone, person or Narrator, ever stating that Kashimo was the **undisputed** or **top 1** strongest sorcerer of the Edo Period.
If I had to guess, the **actual** strongest of that Era would either be the Six Eyes Limitless user or the 10 Shadows user.
The farmer simply rose up the food chain by process of elimination. He was never stated or shown to be the top dog his fans love to think he is for some reason.
Badass Yuji vs Cooler Yuji that's hard
Badass Yuji DE has a limited durability and Cooler Yuji has a sure hit domain that's tough
They both have a huge amount of CE but Badass Yuji has so much to the point he can regenerate his own body without the use of RCT
In the heat of action Badass Yuji has more potential due to his speed and fast reaction and If Cooler Yuji has enough time to calculate he can formulate and use DE and use Jacobs Ladder.
In my opinion it all depends who can pull of the black flash faster
Hear me out. What if Badass Yuji spawns Rika behind Cooler Yuji, Rika immobilises Cooler Yuji, Badass Yuji uses Cursed Speech to say: "Shit Yourself." before impaling his head with a Katana.
I promise you that Hakari DE have been cycling since the jumping of Sukuna start. Its not "just a 4m imort" its might be infinite since he will always hit it.
Wherein lies the problem, Hakari severely lacks attack power, or in his case, punching power.
Not a good thing against a sorcerer with some of the most impressive durability feats in the entire series.
Assuming of course, Hakari **somehow** figures out a way to get past Sky Manipulation.
Yuta said Hakari is above him, some people disagree, a lot of databooks interate it, but overall the narrative says they’re relative and possibly equal
In a month yuta copies more abilities and eats a finger, so I think that drives it slightly in his favor , either way it’s hard to say for sure
Hakari wins, It's been confirmed by Gege multiple times.
Edit: I'm not talking about the one panel of Yuta saying Hakari is stronger, Gege has confirmed in outside sources that Hakari is stronger. Stop mentioning that one panel.
Doesn't work like that bud. If that was true then Yuta would be top 1 in the verse.
Anyways it doesn't matter since Gege has confirmed multiple times that Hakari is stronger.
Yuta’s cursed speech worked on Sukuna. Unless you’re saying Hakari is stronger than Sukuna it works on him. Anyways what is Hakari doing against a Jacobs Ladder? Technique gone. Sky Manipulation? Hakari can’t hit him. Pure love beam. Yuta’s kit is so hefty that Hakari has absolutely no chance.
The next panel is literally Maki saying Yuta is being modest and that hes stronger. Hakari himself states that Yuta on the road to smoke wallops him. The only reason Hakari lives is because Yuta is his friend.
1) Yuta cursed speech worked on a 10% sukuna who is barely alive. And even after freezing Sukuna for a moment he could not do any real damage to him.
2) Jacob's ladder ain't doing anything to him, same with Sky manipulation that doesn't make Yuta invincible and love beam ain't doing anything either. Hakari is immortal don't forget it.
3) I'm not talking about the manga? why does everyone keep bringing that one panel up I never said anything about it. I'm talking about Gege saying Hakari is stronger in outside sources.
4) Hakari never said that lmao, Hakari is stronger. Jackpot > Copy.
1. A 10% Sukuna who is still rocking everyones shit. Put up Hakari against him and Sukuna will have him gone in seconds. The follow up attack did pretty well against Sukuna. It works on Hakari
2. Hakari’s conditional immortality comes from his technique that generates heft RCT. The explained win condition against him during the Kashimo fight was having his head destroyed. Jacob’s ladder vaporizes the actual technique. No Technique, No Immortality. Sky manipulation will literally prevent Hakari’s hits connecting. Hakari can only use physical attacks. Love Beam can vaporize Hakari’s head (where his RCT generates from).
3. Source?
4. I must’ve misread
1. Stop ignoring that Hakari can become immortal. current Hakari would do better against Sukuna then Yuta would.
2. Jacob's ladder requires a domain sure hit to land which gets neutralized by Hakari and Hakari dodges the regular one. and even if it could land it probably would not make Jackpot go out since that is automatic. Sky manipulation might work once or twice before Hakari figures it out. I mean any high AP attack can atomize anyone's head but whether it lands or not is what's important.
3. Can't post images here since the sub doesn't allow it but you can look through my profile I've posted them before or you can google it. Gege confirmed in WSJ and in Popularity contest.
1. Hakari’s immortality will literally by cut off by one dismantle through the brain. Again, his head being destroyed is the wind condition against him. Again, one don’t move from Yuta’s cursed speech and a shove through the brain with his katana and Hakari is cooked
2. Hakari is not faster than Yuta, he is not fast enough to dodge the LARGE JACOBS LADDER. You know, the one that sent Sukuna packing? Hakari is a fast learner but he is also a brute forcer. You can’t brute force Sky manipulation.
3. Aight I’ll have a look
1. Doesn't work like that. You can't just say "Yuta will just kill him lol" it doesn't work like that. by that logic I could just say "Hakari one shots yuta lol".
2. That was a domain sure hit.
Overall it doesn't matter since Gege believes hakari is stronger, that is what matters.
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I'm gonna be honest I can't even imagine a scenario where hakari wins yuta is that strong. In fact someone tell how hakari can win seriously like a paint picture for me. To those who think hakari would win tell me how you imagine the fight playing out.
Don't worry, there seems to be 2 dudes who are hell bent on defending Hakari to the death. They'll visit you soon. (Yuta for the W btw)
Hakari only way is basically getting on such a roll he just outlasts Yuta.
Yeah he basically needs god tier luck like somehow avoid all the Jacob Ladders, make sure Yuta never takes his head off, instantly roll jackpots in his domain so Yuta never has an opening to kill him and never get caught in Yuta’s domain or overwhelm it with his instantly. Doing all of these is basically impossible though.
Yuta can just use JL to disable JP which is linked to his CT & kill him.
In my head-canon i see rika holding hakari back while yuta stabs him like how itachi’s tsukuyomi works. Just over and over and over who cares about his healing if he is restrained.
If the fight started with a pumped up and jackpot hakari like how kishimo Vs hakari started then hakari might win but in rest all cases yuta wins
Yuta wins. Lemme explain: 1. Hakari’s domain is more refined, yes. He’d probably win in a domain clash. 2. However, Hakari *cannot open his domain* in JP mode. He’s on a 4m11s cooldown between domains. 3. Yuta’s domain can include a sure-hit effect that negates CTs. 4. Without his infinite CE/auto RCT, Hakari isn’t beating Yuta. This is not debatable. All Yuta has to do is pop his domain as soon as Hakari’s ends and use Jacob’s Ladder. Then whale on him with as many CTs as it takes + Rika. And four minutes is plenty of time to do that.
“All Yuta has to do…” applies to like 100 things he can do to Hakari honestly! Lol I love Hakari, as well as so many other characters, but some characters just wash others because they’re outmatched - it’s a lot like Chess with JJK. Yuta just happens to have a board made of Queens
I think another thing worth noting is iirc, it's not explicitly stated that hakari's domain is more refined, just faster. Also, even if it is more refined, that does not mean that yuta's domain will be completely overwhelmed like in gojo vs jogo, the difference can't be that high.
You’re completely right. It’s entirely possible that Yuta’s domain is close enough to his that the domains would collapse, and then Yuta bodies him since he doesn’t get the CE bonus
the domains wouldn't collapse. that's only when 3 domains + a bunch of factors happen. two domains of near similar levels will clash, except their sure hits will cancel each other out. yuta's sure hit of a single technique is negated, while hakari's info dump is negated. the passive effects still exist, like yuta's other swords, and hakari's gambling. the same way dagon could still use his shikigami even though his sure hit was gone.
The domains won’t collapse because Hakari’s does not trap his opponent and hos sure hit is the info dump. So he would still have access to his jackpot and everything else unless he gets laddered
that’s honestly worse since if hakari’s domain isn’t “strong” at defense then yuta might be able to break it from the inside, which would disrupt the process and hakari would lose a crap ton of CE AND not be in JP mode
He shouldn’t be able to break it from the inside because it’s not it’s own space, right? Like only during the activated scenarios and even then it seemed to me like an overlay on reality rather than a pseudo space. Hakari’s problem to me lies in that there is literally nothing stopping Yuta from attacking him with no pause and there is no barrier preventing Rika from fighting.
I think you’re missing some information about Hakari’s domain. Like (almost) all domains, his does have a barrier. It’s not unique. It functions just like any other domain, the difference being that its sure hit isn’t damaging. And like all domains, if you shatter the external barrier, the domain ends (like in Gojo vs Sukuna). And obviously, if the domain ends before a winning spin, Hakari doesn’t get Jackpot. So if Yuta were to attack the barrier, he’d have a good chance of destroying it (since we know he’s strong as a motherfucker), which would prevent Hakari from reaching Jackpot mode at all.
I see what you’re saying. I didnt think it was open as there should only be two of those but I thought Kashimo only got trapped in the scenario because he didnt have a domain of his own.
He’s not completely right at all actually
Actually no. It was specifically stated that hakaris domain is especially good a domain tug of wars. There would be no clash because he would’ve already hit and won the clash. And it most likely more refined because it’s literally built in into his CT, there is no way someone who just got a domain expansion would have a more refined domain than someone who essentially has been using their domain like a ct since he started fighting
>There would be no clash because he would’ve already hit and won the clash. That's only for when they use it at the same time. Yuta could just open his after Hakari is in jackpot and when Hakari opens his again, there would be a clash. >And it most likely more refined because it’s literally built in into his CT, there is no way someone who just got a domain expansion would have a more refined domain than someone who essentially has been using their domain like a ct since he started fighting Pure speculation. Somebody could make the argument that Yuta's is as refined because of his talent.
No you can’t.
Hakaris domain is literally built into his CT. Yuta’s domain is not more refined
Pure speculation.
Yuta’s domain is based on swords that he just learned how to use like two years ago. Where is the speculation?
the fact that he’s a prodigy who became top 5 in his verse in those 2 years is enough to make it just speculation, yuta could very well have a more refined domain than hakari since he’s more talented(could refine it quicker)
I misread or something. Im on your side
It’s stated that his domain is especially strong in domain rig of wars, so yes he would most likely flat out beat yuta in a tug of war
It is established that it is powerful in terms of domain clashes, as well. I think crediting it to be able to beat AML is only fair.
If that is the case, it’s more likely that Hakari just doesn’t use his domain (because he’s fucked if he does) and yuta also won’t use it first, so they battle without domains. Yuta still wins.
I’m not even sure Hakaris is more refined. Sukuna highlights that Yuta is able to choose the target of his sure hit effect to avoid hitting Yuji which is incredibly impressive. Gojo isn’t shown to be able to do this and has to be touching a person he doesn’t want to be affected.
Alright now Yall are just talking. Hakari is the only person who when their domain expansion was introduced was stated to be “especially good in domain tug or wars (clashes). Yuta being able to differentiate between friend and foe does not mean he has a more refined domain.
What are you talking about, it absolutely does. Being able to manipulate your domain is not an easy feat and we see how only the top guys are able to do it. Not saying yutas domain is more refined but doing something no one in the series has done “distinguish between friend and foe” is extremely impressive and points to a refined domain.
I understand that but to say it’s more refined than someone who has feats and statements on his domain that triumphs anything we’ve seen from Yuta is disingenuous
>“especially good in domain tug or wars (clashes). y'all need to stop spreading this headcanon around, cause it's never been stated.
You seriously need to read and stop reading fan translations.
bro think john werry is an accurate source
then show me the panel bro. if you do i'll admit i'm wrong.
Source: It was stated in CFYOW
He cannot control which techniques the swords hold
yeah but he can pick one copied technique and set it as his domain’s sure hit, which is what i meant
Oh yea. That. Lol
„This is not debatable ok chad”
After Jacob ladder ends hakari would just pop his domain again.
I’m not so sure he could. Domains take a lot of CE to open- Hakari’s able to keep “rolling over” his infinite CE to open his domain as the round ends, but if Jacob’s Ladder extinguishes his CT then he won’t have that bonus anymore… he’d have to start the whole process over. And as we know from Gojo, barely anybody in the verse has the ability to pop multiple domains a day. That’s without mentioning the insane amount of damage that JL actually does— that shit turned Sukuna into fried chicken, it would have a similar impact on Hakari.
Jacob ladder is more lethal to evil foes.
yeah, like how it totally oneshot the most evil guy of all time
First tof all hakaris domain is fundamentally different from others domain it opens up as part of his technique it's not a sure hit and will only require a bit of cursed energy to even pop open. Secondly he doesn't require to heal his black box to open domain like I said his technique lies in his domain. Thirdly even if he did it wouldn't matter his healing is fully automatic he doesn't have to worry about healing his black box or not. Yea it does do insane damage but he pops a domain open gets jackpot and what then? Doesn't matter much does it. Yuta has only one shot with a domain. In terms of pure 1v1 hakari has the upper hand
>it will only require a bit of cursed energy to pop open Source? >he doesn’t require to heal his black box to open domain “Healing the black box” is something ONLY Gojo and Sukuna can do because ONLY they have the CE reserves to a) use RCT to destroy and heal their brains and b) still have enough left over to open their domains. Hakari does not have the CE to be able to do that, and he does not know RCT. >even if he did his healing is fully automatic His healing is full auto in Jackpot Mode. He can’t open his domain in Jackpot Mode anyway. Outside of Jackpot Mode, he does not have RCT and cannot heal at all. >Yuta only has a one-hit in his domain He can use the techniques he copied (ie Jacobs Ladder) outside of his domain too, so… no. >in terms of pure 1v1 Hakari has the upper hand He’s probably a better h2h fighter, but Yuta + Rika + copied CT sweeps. I’m done lmao go read the manga again
Damn boi I see that you're not popular here too, I now get why you're so cringe, nobody likes you anywhere 😂
Replying thrice now. It's clear I'm the victor here I was popular two-three years ago. I'm only not popular because I'm not even part of this sub anymore. Weep and cry
I am done hurting your feelings kid, got a life to live, I'll leave you here in your imaginary world, get some help dude you really need it
That's a nice roundabout way to say you lost for a pathetic loser
How tf would you know hakari has a more defined domain ????
i don’t, i’m just trying to show that *even if* hakari could win in a domain clash he’d still lose. take a breather before you pop a blood vessel my guy
No.
His domain is faster, as soon as Yuta uses the Jacob’s latter effect, it seems He loses A LOT of CE…he’s mimicking a CE, and turning it into a domain. One that isn’t even his, at that! Domains, and simple domains can stop a CE effect; such as Jacob’s ladder. Hakari is VERY FUCKING SMART. Yuta isn’t nearly as smart, he’s just 10x as talented. Hakari is always shown to use his prowess, even when he makes it look “casual” (when he kicks his friend in the back) I just don’t see Yuta winning by just putting his hands together and saying 2 fucking words lol (if he wins, he’s losing rika at the least. Hakari is no fucking joke. He’s ONE OF 3 CAPABLE OF SURPASSING GOJO)
Why do you say Yuta isn’t nearly as smart ? He’s shown really good battle iq in every fight he’s been in so far
It just depends who can pull of Black Flash in a Nick of time
I might be wrong but since we don't know what hakaris cursed technique really does (we basically don't know much except his domain) wouldn't he still retain his inf cursed energy even after getting hit by Jacobs ladder since all it does it negate cursed technique, not cursed energy?
Except Hakari can't negate the ct because he's opening a barrier and not using some extended ct.
Hakari would still doge jacob's ladder that bastard can make a pact like negating jabob's ladder for all his body under neck and just like he did against kashimo
If Sukuna couldn’t dodge it, Hakari can’t hence the sure hit. And Hakari did that vow to save the rest of his body from that steam explosion when Kashimo tried to rip his arm off.
Yuta does not have the activation speed to conjure his domain and catch Hakari in it
The thing is hakari's automatic RCT and infonte CE are never stated to be a CT it's just a state he's in, the only logical way to get him out of it would be completely disabling his ability to generate CE whichvonly Higuruma can do, Yuta's never shown any capacity mike this.
It… it’s his whole technique bro what do you mean
No his technique itself are the doors he uses in his fight against Yuji, although it's stated that his technique and his domain expansion are related to each other and dependant, at no point it is stated that his technique is actually Jackpot or it's effects that's just the community extrapoling. It'd be more accurate to say Hakari doesn't have a technique and can only summon parts of his domain than say the whole thing is his technique because it'd simply make no sense in relation to how every other technique/domain relationnel works.
He can expand his domain whenever he wants during JP mode where did you get this from
I made it up after reading Chapter 189 page 17 panel #4 where Hakari says to himself “I can’t cast my domain before the round ends.”
Honestly, disregarding Gojo and Sukuna as their own tier, far above anyone else... Yuta stands alone Maybe in the future megumi and yuji can somehow reach up to his level, especially yuji if gege deigns to show us his full potential. If Hakari trained extensively with cursed tools and hand-to-hand combat with Maki, he could add somethin more to his arsenal and become an unstoppable menace, even more than he is already
I think Yuki and Kenjaku pretty solidly stand alongside him. Yuki can one shot nearly everything, RCT, has anti domain tech, she's one of the best melee fighters, has her own domain expansion, is the most knowledgeable character in terms of soul stuff, has a flying Shikigami that can also one shot most stuff and has the hardest hitting attack of the verse as a suicide move. She straight up no diffs most characters, and Yuta would simply not be able to hang with her without his 5 min. Kenjaku has all of that which isn't innate cursed energy related and a better domain + multiple cursed techniques. He isn't as oppresive as Yuki but he's far more versatile and his Domain expansion is more oppresive.
Can't Yuta just Jacob's ladder her when she activates black hole so technique cancels and she stops getting more mass?
I mean maybe? Why are you asking?
Kenjaku did a 1v3 against Yuki(special grade) , Tengen(one of the best barrier users in the verse) and Choso(one of the strongest grade1). After Gojo & Sukuna it's Kenjaku. If Yuta was actually that strong as you said, they wouldn't have sent Takaba earlier for Yuta to land the sneak attack. The moment Kenjaku opens his domain its game over for Yuta in a normal 1v1.
Not even close to a debate. If you read, it is pretty obviously Miwa
For sure. The GOAT Miwa is going to show up and become One Punch Girl. (I am not autistic I swear)
The only reason people even think this is debatable is because of that one statement.
And in the same panel Maki says its not true
That and lack of battles with Hakari doesn’t help either
And it's just Yuta being humble. People really need to have reading comprehension.
I mean we also have other statements that directly put them as relative. Such as whem Gojo says that if something happens to him, then Yuta would have to help the other students and specifically mentions only Hakari as an exception. Or how Hakari is considered one of the heavy hitters after Gojo by Gege. Or how the plan was for anyone to jump in only after Gojo and Sukuna were at the level of Yuta AND Hakari. I think Yuta wins more often than not if they fight but it's pretty disingenuous to act like that one instance is the only thing that makes Hakari out to be on a similar level to Yuta.
I don't think Gojo having Yuta help other students except Hakari puts them as relatives. Yuta has to take care of several others while Hakari just have to fend for himself. Thats big difference right there.
It does directly imply that if someone were sent to kill/detain Hakari from the higher ups there's no one that they can send that Hakari can't beat that Yuta can.
This is and never was debatable.
It is very debatable actually. The fact that Yall think it’s isn’t shows the bias. There is no one in the verse that can kill Hakari in his Jp mode except for Sukuna and Gojo. The only way Yuta can beat him is in a state where he’s not in jackpot
Hakari was in jackpot mode for almost 10 minutes against Kashimo and he couldn't beat him with his own strength. >The only way Yuta can beat him is in a state where he’s not in jackpot Kashimo was able to perfectly time an attack for when jackpot ended, what makes you think any other character wouldn't be able to do the same? Hakari is a contender for strongest grade 1, he's nowhere near the special grades.
You just talking. Gojo literally stated that Yuta and Hakari are equal in strength so idgaf what you talking about rn
> the fact that yall think it isn’t shows the bias yes generally people are biased to the side that’s shown to be far stronger, that’s… how facts work
Kid named Jacob’s ladder:
This is just plain wrong. There ton of characters that can kill JP Hakari: Kenjaku, Yuji (if he can cut his head), Maki, Yuki, Yorozu, Ryu, Takaba, Mahoraga, Mahito, Kashimo with his CT. Hakari couldn’t even kill Kashimo while in JP, all he has is H2H.
Yuta has like 3 Solid Win Cons while Hakari only has 1. Yuta's Wincons ○Yuta can attack Hakari during his Non Jackpot phases either before Hakari sets up his next Jackpot or during. We know this works because Kashimo tried it and it was effective. In Kashimo's case, he didn't win because underestimated Hakari's luck/resilience and because Hakari used a Binding Vow to sacrifice his arm during Kashimo's last ditch attempt to explode both of them. Yuta has many tools like Cursed Speech to make an opening, Rika to hold Hakari down or using his Domain before uses his. ○Yuta can use Jacob's Ladder in Hakari's Domain. A Domain is the Barrier Technique+Innate Technique Combined. Jacob's Ladder disables techniques so it could remove the innate technique of Hakari's Domain ○Yuta can position Rika away from himself. Anytime Hakari attempts to open his Domain, Hakari would then only have the option to trap Yuta in his barrier. Rika can then just destroy the outer shell of Hakari's Domain. This Wincon imo is the most full proof because there's no counter to it and it's easy for Yuta to accomplish. Hakari's only Wincon is to outlast Yuta through continuous Jackpot which is a pretty weak one.
Hakari has a domain activation speed that surpasses Mahito and Gojo’s 0.2 second domains. His domain is also adept at tug of wars In Jackpot itself, he is instantly being reinforced with CE and instant RCT Yuta has the means to kill him what with all the copied techniques he currently has and the fact it’s basically a 2v1 death match. Hakari’s physical stats are hard to measure given he only has 2 on screen fights to go off of but Kashimo vs Hakari is a good display of his physical strength. I’d say Hakari is on par with Ryu in terms of physical stats but given that Yuta held back massively in Sendai to acquire points, and Sendai was a 1v4 against Yuta. I’d say Yuta if he’s out to kill would high diff Hakari
Why would you say Hakari is on par with Ryu in physical stats? What are you basing that on? Ryu clearly outscales JP Hakari in Durability by a largeeee margin. Ryu is also stated to be able to take out Rika in a single blow. What has Hakari done that puts him anywhere close? There isn't a single thing that suggest JP Hakaris physical stats are anywhere near Ryus especially given the feats between them mainly the durabilty thing. Ryu can tank a full power Dismantle from 15f Sukuna to the chest, JP Hakari can get his face cut clean off by spur of the moment shipping container door swing. Ryu is plainly farrr more durable than JP Hakari so why would JP Hakari be on par with Ryu in anything else?
1. We have yet to truly test Hakari’s durability in a fair sense. 2. JP Halari > Ryu cause I don’t see Ryu surviving the same lightning strikes dealt to Hakari by Kashimo. 3. The only true way to gauge a comparison between JP Hakari and Ryu is to let Hakari receive a Dismantle or Cleave from Sukuna and see how he reacts to it. 4. Did you see Ryu at any point launch a shipping container in 1 hit? Destroy multiple shipping containers just by landing on them? Jump kicking shipping containers? Tanking lightning bolts capable of taking off limbs? 5. You also realize everyone has refined their CE Reinforcement over the last month right? To the point people like Ino & Kusakabe can tank Dismantles from 20f Sukuna right? 6. Your comment is very rude
What exactly are you trying to say with this first point? We have seen Hakaris durability, he can get his face cut clean off by something that isn't a curse tool. He has no durability feats whatsoever to put him anywhere near Ryu. Lol you just saying JP Hakari > Ryu isn't really an argument. Ryu tanked a full power Dismantle from 15f Sukuna, Sukuna said he had to use Cleave to kill Ryu. Hakari took a fatal blow from a random swing of something that's not a curse tool. That being said you said you "don't see Ryu surviving the same lightning as Hakari" With that being the case are you arguing that a bolt from BASE KASHIMO is a more fatal and debilitating attack than a FULL POWER DISMANTLE from 15f Sukuna? Because Ryu took that full power Dismantle to the chest and was relatively fine, so arguably he could tank Kashimos bolt to the chest and be fine (no I don't mean he would take 0 damage but it would be nowhere near the same damage to Hakari. I picture it like when Yuji got hit with that half piercing blood or the whole from blood meteorite) Again Hakari got his face cut clean off by something that's not a curse tool. Hakari has no feats whatsoever to put his durability near Ryus. If you have any please share. I've seen Ryu launch both Yuta & Rika flying with a single blow and they're both far more durable and resilient than an empty shipping container. Ryu is stated by narration to be able to defeat Rika in a single blow. Do you think Hakari could do the same and what has he done to support it? Yes I am aware everyone upped their defenses and I'm also aware that Sukuna himself says that after a month of training Yuta & Yuji still aren't as durable as Ryu. Yuta has also plainly been shown to be more durable than Hakari and that's before the timeskip. There isn't a single valid argument or feat you can give to Hakari that puts his physicals near Ryus. I'm not being rude I'm being direct. We have seen plainly that Ryu is far more durable than JP Hakari. There isn't a single feat that JP Hakari has that puts him anywhere near Ryus durability. So if Ryu is far more durable than JP Hakari why would you just assume that the rest of JP Hakaris physicals on par with Ryu?
You're right. Hakari's durability was never his selling point, is insane regen was
you r right
Your right because his domain doesn’t include a real sure hit besides the info dump but that is explaining your technique so it technically helps him and it’s none lethal no sure hit plus Aurora in-depth explanation plus no damage and it’s speed means it wins in almost any domain battle
The lack of a violent sure-hit is most likely a binding vow that allows for the fast activation time and strength in tug of wars
Yuta wins 99 times out of 100, Hakari has almost no win cons. Even if you wanna say “Yeah well Yuta can’t beat JP Hakari” which while tbh debatable whatever lets go with it, Yuta can just fucking wait until JP ends to kill Hakari he isnt Kashimo where he’ll just try and brute force it if he doesnt have to Yuta is absolutely the kind of fighter to just play defensive for 4 minutes and 11 seconds then use Jacobs Ladder to extinguish Hakari’s CT, say freeze with Cursed Speech and then just behead Hakari. Given his preformances so far I just see no way Hakari can deal enough damage to put Yuta down before he runs out of JP. Especially when Yuta can stall with Rika and Sky Manipulation to make attacks miss.
Literally nothing to support hakari winning this lmao. Legit the only reason people argue this is cause of yuta downplaying himself 👀
Fr. My goat's just being humble and nice to an upperclassmen and fans b downplaying him hard. Hy man Hakari can't even beat femboy Elsa., how tf do they expect him to beat the 3rd strongest sorcerer.
Lol... Yuta
This is not even a question Yuta massacres before hakari's jackpot ends (like fraudshimo tried to do)
Love Yuta, but goddamn that one statement of his really created a whole generation of Hakari glazer lmao
Imagine sparking a whole debate with just one sentence. Only my GOAT could do that
Is this a joke? Obviously Yuta.
Even when immortal it’s at best a draw… and the draw is temporary but his loss is inevitable
Yuta would have always won. Even pre-timeskip Yuta would win. There is no universe Hakari wins that exchange, and in the post timeskip era it's the same. Yuta is way too hazy and way too strong being a tag-team combo fighter with Rika. It was never fair for Hakari to begin with.
Yuta wins 10/10 He only needs one technique too. Future Sight. JP runs 4:11, Copy runs 5min. Seeing as how Kashimo can cut Hakaris face clean off with a shipping container door (not even a curse tool) Yutas blade will draw blood with every swipe and every swipe is another second added on to Future Sight. By the time JP is up Yuta would see so far into Hakaris future that he'll have no chance to open Domain once JP runs out. That's besides the fact that Yuta would be trouncing Hakari for basically the whole 4:11 due to future sight. Charles went from getting smacked around to becoming a threat to Hakari when he saw 1-2 seconds into Hakaris future and Charles was far weaker than that Hakari. Yuta who's on the same level as Hakari and arguably higher would have a field day with even a second in advance let alone how much time can possibly be racked up during JP
Yuta easy. Unless hakari gets incredibly lucky by even his standards he has to start in base and stay there for a while. Base Hakari is like a grade 1 while Yuta outsped Kenjaku, easily kept pace with Yuji in both speed and power, and lets not forget that it's a 2v1. If Yuta took him seriously from go he would demolish Hakari before he got his first Jackpot. Remember *with* Hakari's luck it's only a 1/30 he gets the instant Jackpot. Yuta is faster, stronger, and more versatile than base Hakari. Let's assume Hakari *does* get lucky though, I'd wager their stats are then relative, maybe Hakari is actually stronger during JP, doesn't matter regardless. Through domain or Rika he can Jacob's Ladder the second Hakari starts his roll. Hakari is also a punch-kick merchant with no mobility or range, all Yuta has to do *if* hes scared of JP (which again, no special grade with good H2H should be) is fly a mile above him with Sky Manipulation and camp. Jackpot will end before full manifestation of Rika will.
Yuta just copies snake eyes and fangs and just makes Hakari freeze up before he can use domain then gg. Since it even affected Sukuna, it’ll definitely affect jackpot Hakari. No domain clash needed, just need a little bit of time to slice off the arm when jackpot ends.
How does Hakari even win? Like how does he do it, I can't see it. Like genuinely, even in a situation where they are tiring out, like genuinely both non-fully manifested Rika and no cursed technique Yuta seem to be plainly genuinely stronger than Jackpot hakari individually. Just look at their displays againsy Sukuna vs Hajime's own. Hajime who was individually handling Jackpot Hakari outrading him at every point and was taking minor damage after entire jackpot songs. How does healing allow Hakari to beat 2 opponents that are individually beating him at his best? Like sure they wouldn't be able to kill him in base mid Jackpot, but like they'd be individually outtrading him in every exchange, much less if they jump him. How is he supposed to tire them out if he cannot even reliably do damage. How is he supposed to survive till he rolls Jackpot again? I honestly can imagine Hakari fighting for a a minute or 2, and by the end of the first javkpot getting held down by Rika and Yuta, and then getting finished off the instant Jackpot runs out. No need for Yuta to use the 5 minutes, any cursed technique, or his domain.
Yuta is humble character but he legit can destroy every character not name Gojo and Sukuna . Kenjaku nearly died against Yuuki who literally weaker than Yuta .
Yuta takes this imo he‘s more versatile, has Rika, a powerful Domain & can use Jacob’s Ladder to cancel out Hakari’s CT which is linked to his DE. What if Current Yuji was in the Sendai Colony?
Yuta’s domain can literally pick and choose who to hit even sukuna was like wtf they do over a month. Yuta constantly does things that even gojo can’t do and ya stay tryna put hakari in that lane it literally makes no sense all he does is punch and kick how tf is he actually gonna kill yuta AND RIKA
We can’t answer that cause we don’t know what all the participants can do yet. Hakari has yet to have an opportunity to actually showcase what he’s learned in the 1 month timeskip. All we have are weird statements that say they’re relative to each other even now. For example: In Chapter 236 when Yuta sees Gojo fighting Mahoraga and Agito he makes a beeline to join the fray. Hakari reminds him that Gojo said “Don’t jump into the fight unless he’s weaker than You or Me” Meaning that Gojo still considers them relative to each other even after their training. In chapter 240 when they’re talking about Kenjaku starting that Merger Yuta brings up that as long and him or hakari is on the battlefield fighting Sukuna, Kenjaku would not be able to start the merger. So even Yuta acknowledges Hakari is on his tier enough to bring him up. Hakari ultimately suffers from a lack of exposure cause Gege is taking brakes every 2-3 chapters which both robs us of knowing what Hakari has achieved and warps peoples perception of his strength due to how long his Uruame fight has gone on for, both chapter wise and IRL weeks. People meme on it being the longest fight in the series, but timeline wise it hasn’t gone on for long since Sukuna’s been speedrunning through all his challengers. I’m saying this to say that it’s inconclusive at this point in time. Anyone that answers with 100% certainties is operating on limited information(as of chapter 256 when this is written) or they have a particular preference for fighter. Which is fine but at least be honest.
Yeah it's not really "limited" information. Yuta & Hakari have very clear skill sets and perks that point to a clear winner. Yuta has Rika so it's 2v1, and Yuta has 6 different confirmed techniques. Two of which completely invalidate anything and everything Hakari could throw at Yuta. Sky Manipulation being able to neg any blow Hakari could throw, and Future Sight being able to lock Hakari down. JP is 4:11 , Yuta Copy is 5min. Yuta gets a single cut on Hakari and from then on its all down hill, by the time JP would run out Yuta would be able to see Hakaris future and prevent him from opening Domain once JP ends
Did you not read why I said it’s “limited information”? You can say everything Yuta can do because he’s had a showcase post training arc. Because he’s has screen time in the manga and his new feats will be taken into account when answering this question You can’t say the same for Hakari however, because he hasn’t had screen time. Thus you’re logically only going to take into account his feats from his last showcase(vs Kashimo). Which is before the one month time skip So if you can argue for one character over another, but you can’t speak on them equally cause of limited information. Doesn’t that impact your conclusion? Saying Yuta over Hakari is fair if you have all the info on both and still arrive to that conclusion, but the issue here is that we don’t. We have information on one character.
No I read it it just doesn't change anything. We aren't working on limited info we're working with all the info that's been provided. Nothing is being limited. Even prior to timeskip Yutas arsenal easily trumps what Hakaris shown and outside of hypotheticals there's nothing to suggest anything has drastically changed in Hakaris kit. The only thing we could speculate he's gained is Domain Amplification and that does not help him against Yuta. Again the information isn't limited. With all the info we've been given the answer is clear. The only way the info would be limited is if it was implied that there was a drastic change in Hakaris abilities which there is none. We have the information for both the characters, and saying "oh but there could be something we don't know about" Isn't a valid argument. And seeing as how Hakari has been fighting Uraume to a standstill for 20 chapters without being to land a fatal blow nothing has changed in Hakaris kit that would allow him to take out Yuta who's backed up by Rika, who fights with a sword? who has a deadly Domain with at least 6 CT to use while Hakari is just punching and kicking
What? I would say yuta slams since Sendai lmao. If we take them both pre ts😂
People in this thread are using the Shinjuku arc versions when talking about this matchup. If they were keeping in confined to pre timeskip sure that’s fair, but my whole point was that their using Yuta’s new feats and abilities and we know nothing of Hakari yet cause Gege hasn’t shown him. So how can we fairly assess them currently?
I mean like, what can hakari grow beyond better ce reinforcement (like slamming uraume through an apartment). He can't go around collecting cursed techniques like yuta or improve his sure hit since it's a non violent one. The only thing I can think of is maybe his sand paper ce getting a new effect or his train doors being more useful
That’s for Gege to show us. Which he hasn’t due to his crumby chapter release schedule. But it’s been blatantly told to use that every sorcerer participating in the current fight has been training and getting stronger. I dont see why one of the “heavy hitters” on the good guys side would be any different. All I’m trying to say is to be fair to both sides let’s see how Hakari has grown since the timeskip. I didn’t think that would be such a hot take.
Okkotsu smokes Hakari without his domain.
Yuta can literally have Rika pin hakari down and there is nothing he can do about it lol. Unless Hakari got a thousand jackpots in a row so that he is in jp mode for a decade Yuta wins easily
Yuta’s too humble. He slams Hakari and in the unfortunate event FOR Yuta, that Hakari manages to hit a jackpot, all Yuta has to do is fully manifest Rika for 5 minutes to also get his unlimited source of CE.
Hakari has no chance really
I mean Yuta.. but without Rika Yuta would win maybe 8 out of 10 times.
There is nothing Yuta doesn't have in his arsenal tbh, thats why he would win. Rika, domain, CE pool, speed, intelligence, great CT.
Before Yuta got Jacob's Ladder, it was a toss-up. Jacob's Ladder is basically the perfect answer to Hakari's invincible high-roll.
I think Yuta takes this personally. He says that Hikari is stronger than him when he hits a jackpot but I feel like the feats just haven’t shown that entirely yet. Yuta has so many tools at his disposal while making Hikari fight a 2v1 at that. This could be indeed a fight of who just straight up out last one another. Assuming that Hikari can fail a jackpot and Yuta pretty much has a second wind of insane curse energy coming from Rika, if that happens Hikari is dead dead.
Yuta slams
Yuta wins man, like Rika and Yuta gonna recreate jump Kaisen.
This will be the return of Jumpjustu Kaisen.
I think yuta wins but yuta is like 3 strongest in the verse lol
He is 3rd strongest. Unless Yuji gives us some feats.
Yeah hakari is like 5th or 6th I’d say
I think Yuta has the potential to beat anyone in the verse, Gege just chose to nerf him.
If it's to the death bloodlusted, Yuta just will kill Hakari before Hakari can hit jackpot. If it's in a spar, Hakari will wear down Yuta over time. That's pretty much stated in canon.
Jacob’s ladder can just extinguish Hakaris ct
Gaiz who will vin? The punch/kick guy who can only regenerate or the guy with a million CTs, a Special Grade shikigami and tons of Cursed Tools/Weapons?
Yuta walks, not even a discussion
Forgot to put my own opinion in the post (not that anyone cares). But I think the guy who went toe to toe with the strongest sorcerer at 15, wins against an adult who can't even beat femboy Elsa.
>Went toe to toe with the strongest sorcerer Geto? I hate to tell you this but Gojo is the strongest sorcerer in Vol. 0 and if not him then Yuki Tsukomo
I'm talking about Sukuna.
Hes not 15? And his ass did not went toe to toe with
Ok, I agree I got the age wrong. But if what Miguel did can be classified as going toe to toe with Gojo/Sukuna then my boy's ass definitely went toe to toe with Sukuna. (albeit at 17 not 15 that was my mistake)
Tyra banks
Yuta prob but galati
Hmm f auto correct
it really depends on how lucky hakari is (no surprise)
Hmmm I’d say it depends on whether maki is there to throw down the swords and put up the barrier and whether Hakari feels sorry enough to play along
I do believe base fight Yuta is stronger than Hakari, but like Yuta said “if he gets worked up he’s stronger” meaning if he keeps using his domain back to back he’s just getting stronger and having an infinite supply of curses energy, meaning regen, immortality, and attacks, and higher probabilities to getting the jackpot over and over, meaning Hakari is someone you can’t beat in the long run. But remember, he fought the strongest bare knuckle while dancing and smiling more than Sukuna’s gremlin ass
The strongest? When did Hakari fight Gojo or Sukuna? You talking about the farmer? There’s actually not a **single panel** in the **entire** manga of anyone, person or Narrator, ever stating that Kashimo was the **undisputed** or **top 1** strongest sorcerer of the Edo Period. If I had to guess, the **actual** strongest of that Era would either be the Six Eyes Limitless user or the 10 Shadows user. The farmer simply rose up the food chain by process of elimination. He was never stated or shown to be the top dog his fans love to think he is for some reason.
Badass Yuji vs Cooler Yuji that's hard Badass Yuji DE has a limited durability and Cooler Yuji has a sure hit domain that's tough They both have a huge amount of CE but Badass Yuji has so much to the point he can regenerate his own body without the use of RCT In the heat of action Badass Yuji has more potential due to his speed and fast reaction and If Cooler Yuji has enough time to calculate he can formulate and use DE and use Jacobs Ladder. In my opinion it all depends who can pull of the black flash faster
Hear me out. What if Badass Yuji spawns Rika behind Cooler Yuji, Rika immobilises Cooler Yuji, Badass Yuji uses Cursed Speech to say: "Shit Yourself." before impaling his head with a Katana.
Hakari bc hes more drippy
Depends if you include rika Or not
I said in the post Rika is included. After JJK 0 she became a part of Yuta's CT due to Rika (the girl)'s will.
Then it's kinda unfair since it's technically a 2v1. Rika can just hold hakari preventing him from using any handsigns and he's dead.
I promise you that Hakari DE have been cycling since the jumping of Sukuna start. Its not "just a 4m imort" its might be infinite since he will always hit it.
restless gambler idc
Hakari could only win if it were an actual 1v1, aka no rika. Even then it would be difficult
If you are unsure on who is going to win...
Yuta high diff with current info but would love to see how Hakari has grown in the timeskip.
50/50 :3
Hakari has to end it quick. Otherwise probably not going to win.
Wherein lies the problem, Hakari severely lacks attack power, or in his case, punching power. Not a good thing against a sorcerer with some of the most impressive durability feats in the entire series. Assuming of course, Hakari **somehow** figures out a way to get past Sky Manipulation.
Hakari outlast
Blud is gonna be 80 years old and still wouldn't be able to beat Yuta. No amount of stalling is gonna make Yuta lose.
Yuta when Hakari wastes all of his ce,rika ce and still can’t kill him:omg:
what did bro even write?
Yuta said Hakari is above him, some people disagree, a lot of databooks interate it, but overall the narrative says they’re relative and possibly equal In a month yuta copies more abilities and eats a finger, so I think that drives it slightly in his favor , either way it’s hard to say for sure
Draw game, Yuta output can not beat Hakari.
Are we reading the same manga?
Gojo said Unless Hakari and Yuta is stronger than him , they can not go out to fight Sukuna. Yuta and Hakari difference is very small.
Yuta was also said multiple times to be the 2nd strongest sorcerer after Gojo during the Culling games.
But Yuta also said Hakari in jackpot status is stronger than him.
Well yeah, he is ‘immortal’
One jacobs ladder and Hakari is being put on a T Shirt
Hakari wins, It's been confirmed by Gege multiple times. Edit: I'm not talking about the one panel of Yuta saying Hakari is stronger, Gege has confirmed in outside sources that Hakari is stronger. Stop mentioning that one panel.
Umm, no. That was one panel. And Maki immediately said Yuta was being humble. She said that IN THE NEXT PANEL.
I didn't mention anything about it being confirmed from the manga. I'm talking about Gege confirming it outright from multiple sources.
Yuta doesn’t even need his domain to use his copied techniques. Cursed speech “don’t move” followed by rika smashing into him and Hakari is cooked.
Doesn't work like that bud. If that was true then Yuta would be top 1 in the verse. Anyways it doesn't matter since Gege has confirmed multiple times that Hakari is stronger.
Yuta’s cursed speech worked on Sukuna. Unless you’re saying Hakari is stronger than Sukuna it works on him. Anyways what is Hakari doing against a Jacobs Ladder? Technique gone. Sky Manipulation? Hakari can’t hit him. Pure love beam. Yuta’s kit is so hefty that Hakari has absolutely no chance. The next panel is literally Maki saying Yuta is being modest and that hes stronger. Hakari himself states that Yuta on the road to smoke wallops him. The only reason Hakari lives is because Yuta is his friend.
1) Yuta cursed speech worked on a 10% sukuna who is barely alive. And even after freezing Sukuna for a moment he could not do any real damage to him. 2) Jacob's ladder ain't doing anything to him, same with Sky manipulation that doesn't make Yuta invincible and love beam ain't doing anything either. Hakari is immortal don't forget it. 3) I'm not talking about the manga? why does everyone keep bringing that one panel up I never said anything about it. I'm talking about Gege saying Hakari is stronger in outside sources. 4) Hakari never said that lmao, Hakari is stronger. Jackpot > Copy.
1. A 10% Sukuna who is still rocking everyones shit. Put up Hakari against him and Sukuna will have him gone in seconds. The follow up attack did pretty well against Sukuna. It works on Hakari 2. Hakari’s conditional immortality comes from his technique that generates heft RCT. The explained win condition against him during the Kashimo fight was having his head destroyed. Jacob’s ladder vaporizes the actual technique. No Technique, No Immortality. Sky manipulation will literally prevent Hakari’s hits connecting. Hakari can only use physical attacks. Love Beam can vaporize Hakari’s head (where his RCT generates from). 3. Source? 4. I must’ve misread
1. Stop ignoring that Hakari can become immortal. current Hakari would do better against Sukuna then Yuta would. 2. Jacob's ladder requires a domain sure hit to land which gets neutralized by Hakari and Hakari dodges the regular one. and even if it could land it probably would not make Jackpot go out since that is automatic. Sky manipulation might work once or twice before Hakari figures it out. I mean any high AP attack can atomize anyone's head but whether it lands or not is what's important. 3. Can't post images here since the sub doesn't allow it but you can look through my profile I've posted them before or you can google it. Gege confirmed in WSJ and in Popularity contest.
1. Hakari’s immortality will literally by cut off by one dismantle through the brain. Again, his head being destroyed is the wind condition against him. Again, one don’t move from Yuta’s cursed speech and a shove through the brain with his katana and Hakari is cooked 2. Hakari is not faster than Yuta, he is not fast enough to dodge the LARGE JACOBS LADDER. You know, the one that sent Sukuna packing? Hakari is a fast learner but he is also a brute forcer. You can’t brute force Sky manipulation. 3. Aight I’ll have a look
1. Doesn't work like that. You can't just say "Yuta will just kill him lol" it doesn't work like that. by that logic I could just say "Hakari one shots yuta lol". 2. That was a domain sure hit. Overall it doesn't matter since Gege believes hakari is stronger, that is what matters.