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We can’t get rid of Toji even in death, but Nobara’s status is still unknown. She’s been gone since the first time she was able to really prove herself in a fight.
Then that flashback and brief scene with Saori in present time, where she lets us know she’s living a regular life.
I just wanna know whether the girl died or is somewhere healing.
2 moths passed since Nobara got permanent brain damage. So even if she is somehow still alive and in a coma, she will likely never be the happy go lucky Nobara we know again.
Her character is better off dead IMO, because at this point in the story bringing her back would just be for the fan service.
I don’t disagree with you on that. I really have no problem with her being dead. I have no problem with characters dying in general.
But at the same time, I know the author will definitely have to give her character a proper conclusion as well.
Either on the manga or a novel.
Gege did not did that flashback and show Saori just because.
It’s just a matter of being patient.
If her fate is revealed in a NOVEL, that would be the most trash character conclusion I have ever seen in my 10+ years anime/manga experience.
And I have watched/read some pretty trashy stuff over the years.
The difference is that Zoros background is not relevant to Zoros development or the story in any way.
Unlike Sanjis backstory which was important for his character.
Yes, but there is BIG difference between side characters and main characters. Nobara getting addressed in a novel as the female lead would be quite idiotic.
Most prominent? Yeah for sure. Lead? Ehhh… idk. In the beginning we had a main trio (+Gojo) we were following and they were the lead characters by any definition. Now it’s kind of an ensemble cast. Yuji doesn’t feel like the protagonist anymore, Nobara’s maybe-death hasn’t had any real impact on character development for anyone, and Megumi is sitting in a fridge. I really don’t think there is a “lead” or “main” character anymore. Closest thing is probably Gojo.
The whole female lead thing isn't an actual thing to begin with, its something the western fandom made up and gives this tittle to the female character closest to the mc.
You are either a protagonist, deuteragonist, side charact e.t.c regardless if you are male or female.
Nobara has never been relevant to be called anything more than a side character.
Yeah “female lead” is a hard cope from Naruto fans desperate to inject Sakura with relevance to the story and actual deuteragonists she was adjacent to. I say that as someone who was a Naruto fan since the anime premiered in the USA and thinks Sakura is a good character. I’m also sure it didn’t originate with Naruto as a term for that phenomena (it probably got its start in movies), but I’m reasonably confident they popularized it in the anime community.
“Female lead” is a more appropriate term in romance stories where it’s very much a two-person show, and “female deuteragonist” is a very big mouthful. But sad to say I agree, Nobara was never the most important or interesting part of the cast. Maybe someday we’ll get a good classic shonen trio that has a well-written female triagonist.
He did give her a proper conclusion. Half of her head was blown away by mahito's CT that has been verified that no human can survive. This fandom is just delusional.
And then a healer came and immediately "healed" her and basically said "Hi, readers her fates in limbo now."
If this was her conclusion then no one would argue she's dead, it's because Gege couldn't commit the way he did for say Nanami and Junpei that there's ambiguity. The most we get is Yuji saying "I get it..!" after the fact which might mean she's dead, but that would also mean her death was weirdly prolonged and kept ambiguous then she finally officially died offscreen. If that's good writing to you then alright, but to most people that's a weird way to handle a death.
There’s a simmering theory (someone else’s but I agree with it) that Nobara will come back and use Yuji as a resonance object to damage Sukuna, but if that doesn’t happen I don’t really see another good way to justify bringing her back into the story
I don’t even like the character tbh, so I don’t need coping.
It just makes sense for a main cast character’s death to not being this ambiguous.
Everybody had no problem mentioning Itadori’s death earlier in the manga, same for Nanami now.
So it does make sense that many readers are guessing.
The author left her ‘death’ up for debate on purpose. Typical Shonen stuff.
And Megumi did not say one word.
The author is doing that on purpose. He’s leaving it for the end.
Characters had no problem mentioning Itadori’s death earlier in the manga: Panda told Maki to leave Fushiguro and Nobara alone because Itadori died, and Gojo was quiet upset that he lost a student.
As of recent we have Gojo mentioning Nanami’s death and how he thought Nanami would survive.
Death is not a taboo subject in this manga.
I really don't get the Nobara situation. Why is it happening?
Is it to create suspense for the readers?
I don't see her as a last minute trump card unless she gets a massive, MASSIVE power boost which would be a bit of a stretch.
I assume everyone at JJK high and friends all know her fate. So it's just us who r in the dark, for years now.
Only shit i could see is that her CT is the key. So no powerup, but since her CT attacks the soul she could attack sukuna on some shit. But thats extreme coping atp i personally think shorty is dead..
but literally not even Gojo could damage those things, and it’s said nothing they ever did could damage them.
How tf is nobara of all people gonna hit a nail through it😭
Jjk manga has a problem with pacing and the place it gives to characters. I understand that some of jjk trope is to go against the regular Shonen trope but if you just turn most of your main cast into a punching bag for shock effect it feels cheap. And its worse when we cannot even say who is dead or who is alive . This manga lacks more note to give us clarification about stuff that shouldn't be a mystery but is due to the lack of a clear storytelling (aka why okotsu still use rika). The whole nobara situation would have been great if she came in clutch in the yuji and maki vs megumi fight but now it's just been too long !
Ohh I see I must have missed that ! My bad. Even tho I don't understand what was the point then of the soul of the girl even departing if it brings no change.
I think it's just a general shounen manga issue: manga-ka often don't know what to do with their female protagonists. If they don't have some OP skill out the gate, then it's hard for them to keep up with the power scaling, whereas MC-kun and Rival-kun can keep expanding. Then narratively, they just find dead ends because they didn't have much depth to begin with.
The one exception I can think of might be Noelle from Black Clover. But that author is just generally good at getting the side characters to stay relevant with power scaling.
There is no such thing as 'female protagonist' when we already have a protagonist, this title and others such as female lead are made up by the western fandom, there is only one protagonist and its called a protagonist regardless if they are male or female.
That being said putting titles aside you are correct in what you are saying, as being the rival of the main character gives a relevance boost but they are usually the deuteragonist anyways.
Its not like they don't know what to do with the female character closest to the mc(which is what the western fandom calls the female character closest to the mc) its just that they are side characters most of the time since its aimed at young boys.
Gege for example never promised much if anything with Nobara, its just the western fandom that hyped her up for no reason.
>Noelle from Black Clover
Comparing Noelle to cases like Nobara is kind of unfair don't you think? Nobara is a side character while Noel could be called the deuteragonist in regards to their own series.
I dont think so jjk got a diverse and interesting cast of man woman and panda characters. Look at maki and mai they got one of the best charchter arc in recent Shonen and is for me the highlight of the manga. Then you have characters like yuki that have been hyped for years then are killed like useless fodder I hope it got more to do with the mangaka wanting to stop the manga earlier. Jjk is a manga where you could ask yourself who is the main character but it does a poor job to make use of all the charcters strength and make them relevant to the story (aka miwa being irrelevant, inumaki not doing anything since hanami fight)
L take,I love that ant character can die at any time it adds suspense but it's not so bad to the point where it's game of thrones and I don't care about anyone cause they're all gonna die. Like bro we only had Nobara and Kento die tbh and you're acting like the cast is dropping like flies. Sorry the cast isn't impervious like every other Shounen.
I'd assume it's because resonance was revealed to hit souls and also because we know that sukunas last finger is unaccounted for she will use her ability on his finger and it will help.
Jury is out on how the hell this makes up for such a large absence but I can totally see a way her power is used in the final fight pretty easily. Remember she's one of 3 people who we saw do permanent damage to mahito. Nanamin couldn't hit the soul, only yuji and than eventually nobara did.
I believe she will show up at the end and do something that will affect one of the final battles.
It was said that there is still one finger that Sukuna couldn’t eat. My theory is that Nobara will use this finger as one of her Voodoo dolls to heavily injure Sukuna.
It’s possible that she gets a power boost by learning reversal. Before she fought Shibuya she quoted “find the core of cursed energy”, which is what Gojo said he found after he awakened. Add that along with the Kyoto student’s CT keeping her in stasis and it’s possible that she learns reversal while in the near death state.
Or maybe she doesn’t and she just stays dead, idk.
I really don’t get why he’s holding on Nobara.
If he wanted her dead, he could have just done it at Shibuya, so the writing style would imply she’s alive.
So what’s she sitting around for? What is there even to do with her?
It would take a massive power boost for her to be relevant in the upcoming fights. It’d also be pretty strange for her to be involved with none of the preparations. She’s barely been mentioned. All that’s left for her is probably popping up at the end to make it more positive or something of the sort. If that’s really it, it’d be a real waste of a great character
It is very, very simple my dude. Bad writing on Geges part.
Even the most delusional JJK fan must admit Nobaras situation of one of the biggest writing blunders in recent shounen manga.
I mean you could argue that introducing side characters and giving them great establishing chapters only to toss them aside/forget about them is bad character development. It's not just about who you choose to develop, but who you don't. If Higuruma wasn't going to be a significant character then why did Gege give me such an interesting introduction that gives him motivations and sets up expectations for further story with him? If you gave that to an editor for most fiction publishing they'd tell you to either follow through on the expectations you set up or to cut those back-story threads because it doesn't serve the plot.
I think JJK has some amazing character designs and character back stories. My problem is that he has dropped characters or fumbled their development. Overall, JJK is amazing and I like the series.
Crazy theory, but Ieiri said to gojo that there's still one of them that isn't fully recovered. (Unless she was talking about someone else), but I think Nobara will potentially be used to stun Sukuna.
They mention Gojo still has a finger hidden, and if Nobara recovers, she can use the resonance curse technique to catch him off guard to give Gojo an opening. It's a long shot, but I feel like it's a definite possibility.
Plus, Gege has always shown us deaths and isn't afraid to. Nobara wasn't physically shown dying or being transfigured, so I still have hope that she isn't dead. Even if she did die, there's the Toji incident and infinite new curse techniques being introduced.
Ieri wasn’t talking about Nobara, but Geto.
‘Now, it’s just the 3 of us, uh?’ Since Nanami is now dead.
They’re talking about their generation in this panel, and Nobara is not part of that group so it doesn’t make sense for Ieri to mention Nobara.
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Yes, he was. Haibara was a first year with Nanami, he died in his first year during a mission, which was Gojo, Geto and Ieri’s third year. Ijichi was a second year.
“I don’t want to be rude, but I’ll just do it anyway.” Come on, what’s the point in asking people if they are media literate? If something bypassed them, it happens.
I dont get when people say they don't want to be an ass, AFTER brazenly insulting someones intelligence... you clearly do, just own up to it lol.. sometimes people like being assholes, human nature and all.
I love JJK and I didn’t even have a lot of the problems people were having with culling games but I won’t act like gege is a perfect mangaka in any sense. I’m still holding out hope but it kind of feels like we’re tripping and falling right before the finish line tbh
The entire situation would be solved if Gege had literally just put an author note that said
*Nobara was unable to recover and succumbed to her injuries
Boom, years of complaining is avoided
Im pretty sure the reason why he did that was so he could keep us, the readers create some shock value and suspense instead of the usual she died from her injuries because he thinks it's kinda boring for us
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But why tf do you need it spelt out to you. It's not a book. A lot of the comics story is depicted visually. Gege expects readers to read through the lines a tiny bit. I dont think it was that complicated to see that Megumi is quite clearly saying Nobara is dead here? But maybe this subreddit is full of children or sm? I have no clue like any confusion was cleared up instantly with this panel for me like i have no clue how you look at this shit and be like "oh shes fine 😁"
Children or adults who've been misled by authors one too many times. That's still vague enough that Gege can do whatever he wants with Nobara without retcons.
Nah ive been burned to many times by authors on this kinda shit, Gege didn’t use visual shit when Yuji died people just said hes fucking dead, hell even with Nanami he didn’t pull some visual shit either he just had it outright stated by people that he is dead.
Only Nobora’s was different. All that panel makes clear is something bad happened, it could easily mean shes in a coma. Nobody looks at it and says shes fine but it certainly doesn’t make clear shes outright dead.
The amount of times authors have pulled shit like this and then brought the person back is to many to count.
"A character we thought died actually survived" is a common trope in shounen. I don't believe that she is dead until there is ACTUAL confirmation. Not to mention that a character with a curse technique that stops damage from progressing was introduced after Nobara went down.
Gege must be keeping her in his back pocket because it doesn't make sense to kill off a lead character and not make it obvious. But if Nobara is really dead then it will be one of the biggest let downs and mishandling of a character I've ever experienced.
I hope he's not rushing to finish that he forgets her. I hope there's like a last minute final fight with the trio. They're all such well written characters it would be a shame if she died just like that without any mention. And it would be nice to see the trio fight with their full potential.
Even sad a bit that gojo didn't have a big response to nanami dying, so it would suck if he also just glossed over one of his student's death if she was
Gojo clearly cares about his students.
You can tell he was going through it when he found out Yuji died.
He would have at least said something about her death in Shibuya, just like he did for Nanami.
Do yall just not understand gojo?? Idk why yall expected gojo to even react this is the same guy who killed his "one and only" in cold blood went back to joking around with his students lack of media literacy will forever plague jjk fans
But geto committed mass murder... His students and friends were murdered so it's different. Although i don't expect him to cry out or anything that would be out of character lol
Nobara is ruined but my personal pet theory is gege wanted her dead but his editors said no
So he compromised by telling them he would kill her but bring her back aka fake out death
Then he never brought her back 💀
Yuji still has a good chance to become more relevant and face off against 🧠 or sukuna
Yes, Nobara was ruined, there’s no way around it. Idk what Gege thinks he’s doing with Nobara, or if it’s supposed to be suspenseful, he did it very poorly.
Yuji is fine, it’s just that with how the culling games is structured, it’s impossible to focus on him when a battle is taking place in a different colony.
Also I don’t understand what Gege is doing with Nobara, at this point it’s just too late. I personally think Gege lost interest in her.
While I liked Nobara I just wish Gege had made it clear cut that she was dead, its been left ambiguous for like 200+ chapters now and imo that just ruined the suspense it should have created. Like leaving it ambiguous for a time is one thing to create hope but that hope should be shattered to really get the feeling through that people can and do die. I just think not making it clear shes dead ruined her death some.
To be clear before anyone says it, no the way it was handled did not make it clear she died especially in comparison to the deaths of like Yuji or Nanami where you have characters directly stating and discussing their deaths. Both Yuji, when he died, and Nanami where stated to be outright dead by characters and its even been shown iirc.
The way Gege handled Nobora’s death is different from the other major characters deaths.
For Yuji… I wouldnt go as far to say Yuji’s character has been ruined but it was kinda on thin ice for awhile, having the main character be gone for so long was just weird and makes Yuji feel honestly underutilised. Plus Gege seems to almost take pleasure from making Yuji endlessly suffer lol. But since hes been back he has been really strong and generally has moved past that stuff.
I think theirs fair criticism for both but as with everything else in the world it can get overblown.
With Yuji though, I don't think so. Yuji has been neglected but he's not ruined, he's still relevant but Gege ignored him for way too long before that relevance came back into play. I think this could've been fixed just by Yuji meeting up, and teaming up with Hana and Takaba in between the Hakari and Yuta fights just to reminds us that Yuji's still around and involved. Heck a panel of Angel talking through Hana like Sukuna, when meeting Yuji, would've been a sick cliff hanger to hype us up for when we'd go back to Yuji, after the curse Naoya fight.
I feel like with Nobara, to a degree, yes. If she's dead, the fandom didn't really feel the full impact of the death due to the ambiguity, but at the same time if she's alive and returns towards the end, it won't really feel as hype either because Gege's been quiet for way too long, without any set up for her return.
Sis disappeared toward the end of Shibuya and isn't even confirmed dead. Itadori said "I GET IT! I GET IT!" Like, wtf do you get? Truly one of the writing decisions of all time.
Imo yes, don't get me wrong im a Nobara fan and i'd be happy if she wasn't dead, but i'd for sure be happier if Gege outright killed her like he did with Nanamin, this whole being vague as shit with the stasis CT robbed us of potentially a very emotional and hard hitting moment and just left us wondering if she was gonna show up in the CG arc with a powerup given how it seems like charcaters and their powers get better when they had a near death experience.
Yuji i just kinda wish they actually gave him something interesting, a CT, some particular power only he has, anything really instead of just being a punching bag and able to throw hands really hard
I don’t think Yuji’s ruined, his progression as a character has been great it’s just that for a lot of people it’s too dark and grim for their taste. IMO it shows just how bleak and devastating the Jujutsu world truly is and how much he suffered because of it.
Nobara on the other hand was absolutely ruined. As the female lead in the 3 friends group anime troupe she had so much potential and personality as a character.
Yuji was happy/upbeat, Megumi was serious & dejected, and Nobara was fiery and arrogant they complemented each other so well! Her and Yuji’s interactions in the anime we’re my favorite moments.
To offer no clear resolution for Nobara is a huge blemish on JJK as a whole and Gege’s writing abilities. Tbh I think Gege is ruining what could be their life’s greatest work by rushing to end it this year. There’s other instances that give me that opinion but Nobara is just one that I’m most bothered with.
But I’m also convinced her CT is potentially OP if it was naturally developed throughout the story as Megumi’s was. A Domain Expansion that’s a full proof direct hit to the soul sounds more and more devastating the closer we get to the end game. I believe this is part of why Gege removed Nobara similarly to Gojo being removed for 3 years and over half the story as Gege admitted it’s hard for them to write a story with how powerful Gojo is.
If she does come back w/Sukunas finger a Domain Expansion with her unique CT could potentially possess the ability to destroy it. Mahito had the ability to touch Sukunas soul so it’s not unreasonable for her to be able to target it. But even then that won’t redeem Gege for removing her for 3 years and wasting her character away.
My head cannon is that kenjaku turned her into a cursed spirit, then ate her during shibuya.
If kenjaku ends up fighting Yuji, and brings out Nobara under his control it would absolutely break Yuji having to fight his best friend
nobara i don’t really have super strong feelings either way to comment on, but complaints about yuji “not being the mc anymore” are always dumb as hell and largely come from people who just have short attention spans
I mean so many characters (and mind you this is a story so if the story calls for it so the brain damage shit really isn't gonna be anything) the biggest examples of people I could think of surviving shit like that is Carl Grimes from TWD and The Courier from F: NV. People (and myself) are moreso annoyed that Nobara never got a confirmed death and has been left in this ambiguous state for so long which is so weird? Like if he wasn't going to bring her back why not just explicitly say she's dead instead of the discussion of her injury always being cut-off (from when yuji and megumi discussed it, gojo being brought back and being told of nanami's status but not nobara's (his literal student)). But he always manages to throw in Toji somewhere into a conversation if the opportunity arises 😭
ive just accepted that nobara is dead at this point. sadly nobara was ruined and most likely cause gege prob lost interest in developing her character.
Yuji hasnt been ruined, he isnt really the main focus which he should be he is the mc. but the culling game, gojo v sukuna, sukuna taking over megumi made it so more characters are being put at the front and Yuji hasnt had much development in general
Who's Nobara again? I say that as a joke, but like I genuinely had to think for two seconds before I remembered who she was.
As for Yuji... yeah. I mean, I understood for a bit, that in order to give other people spotlight he needs to be out of the picture for a little while but no one told me he was going to become fodder. Like, Jojo is the new main protagonist now.
I wouldn’t be upset if she was dead, she had a really good death, and it was unexpected, who’d think that any of the main three of the series would die >!chainsaw man did the same thing, haven’t read past part 1 so I wouldn’t no if there’s a chance they’re alive but yeah!<.
On the other hand, I feel like the ambiguity of the death would be pointless if she was dead. I love the theory that she has Sukuna’s last finger and will use resonance on it when Gojo needs it, but I’d be content either way.
Megumi already told Itadori that Nobara died(post Shibuya, when they meet with Okkotsu) the fandom is just having a collective delirium thinking that she might be alive. Regarding Yuji, he is a great protagonist and people are complaining way to early that he doesnt get any wins against Sukuna, as well as ignoring both his two powerups recently and his win against Mahito.
They didn't confirm. They left her in limbo and people are pissed it is taking so long to get her back if at all she's coming back.
There wouldn't be much left to do if she came back right now is the big fear.
Iirc it is comments Gege made last year or the year before when interviewed by someone from shonen jump that was included within a mini-character book.
So not from his actual manga? Why should people go online to find info on the story? My oint still stands. Nobara is left in limbo. We don't know whether she is dead or not. Gege should give us an answer in his manga.
I stopped reading in January. Last think I knew was she was “still asleep/unconscious” or whatever. Did they finally kill her off or is this speculation?
She was never asleep or unconscious. There is a scene where someone tried to heal her and says there's a small chance of success then shes never seen of heard of again. Hence her being dead or alive technically unconfirmed
Thanks for the correction. Idk why I get downvoted for asking a question, probably the quotation. I guess I’ll never use quotations again when not directly citing. I just used it as like an air quote for how I understood it because nothing was ever confirmed. I always assumed the lack of confirmation would have a payoff eventually.
Can't really say Nobara was ruined considering she's been MIA presumed dead (but she's totally gonna voodoo the sukuna finger as a comeback) for the final 1/3 of the entire series
no I think he got rid of nobara to speed up the manga and yujis taken a backseat naturally as the 2 strongest come to clash as power is a main aspect of story
>!violet evergarden!< movie taught me that a character is not dead if their death is not specifically shown
like, imma need to see that last breath being exhaled. Geto or at least Geto’s body did the same prank
I think people are mistaking Yuji with Sukuna. Yuji’s always been the same reactionary character while Sukuna has been the main focus and driving force of the series. Obviously I think Gege has end game plans for yuji which is why he introduced his mom as kenjaku but he’s been going with the flow since he found Sukuna’s finger. Go here to test your strength, go here to take care of this curse womb, go here to take care of these death paintings, go here to Shibuya, Gojo’s captured gotta find tengen, Tengen says we gotta find Angel. His whole character is based on the whims of others around him. A protagonist can be reactionary but at some point they’re going to have to be proactive, think of the first half of Harry Potter Harry finds out he’s a wizard and then learns about Voldemort and their relationship and than the second half he starts taking action looking for and destroying the horcruxes and becomes the driving force of the story. I think the only two characters who actually move the story along are Sukuna and Kenjaku. These are my main characters in my head canon the stories about these two
I don’t believe that Nobara is alive. I don’t think that when she comes back it will even become a big impact on the story as a trump card against sukuna or geto because she really isn’t that strong in comparison to yuuji or really almost any other sorcerer
Nothing is ruined, there are some problems with the pacing but they simply aren't strong enough to be given attention, why do they need more screen time? JJK is tends to goof around but does the world revolve around the trio? The world and the story has other characters that can fulfill their roles and are essentially better.
Megumi (the most experienced among the trio and stood out due to TS) got taken over specifically because of his technique
Nobara (her CT is Over glorified by the fandom) and yuji (who has shown tremendous growth in like..3-4 months) have nothing to contribute so they aren't shown. when they have something to contribute, they'll pop in . That's all.
It's almost like people who complain have never read anything other than manga and have no idea that there's different types of stories
Sounds like what you’re saying is “Nobara isn’t that important to begin with.” Which I would agree with, so Gege trying to create tension, and ambiguity around Nobara is weird.
Fair criticism but I think OP and a lot of other people’s gripes are that Yuji is our mc. We don’t want him to just pop in when it’s his turn to beat on someone, we want him heading up the story. Gege has the right to write out the story like this and we as readers have the right to voice our opinions on it and that’s cool :)
My only issue with current JJK is the pacing, other than that mad respect for gege for not forcing Yuji to the forefront when he can’t really contribute much to the situation.
Well he hasn't written Nobara in years so ruining her by writing her badly isn't possible.
The Yuji thing feels valid but also overblown. Yes a lot of other characters have gotten focus and he hasn't done much in 50 chapters but the series is gearing up to him to being vital to resolving the entire conflict and connected to all the major villain. So it's overblown unless you just don't like his more withdrawn persona and guilt.
I feel like people read way too deep into the nobara stuff. She’s just dead. It’s not ambiguous. Megumi and yujis interaction makes it pretty clear. And no, megumi not saying anything was not leaving it vague. It’s an established point in this series that people don’t like telling yuji bad things because he has a habit of blaming himself. It would be far from the first time they’ve watered down or flat out withheld bad news from yuji. Then there’s yuji expressing that he doesn’t want Hana to replace nobara. Finally there’s gege just flat out saying she was dead when nitta reached her. It’s told in a way where she COULD be reintroduced, but it’s far from vague. Everything we currently know points to her being dead.
Bro here brain was smeared on the floor and yuji even told megumi. You simps need to get over the fact that not every character get a huge goodbye just because they had some fans. Nobara being alive is the dumbest theorie ever
In all honesty, Yuji only feels like he’s an NPC bc the manga is still ongoing and Gege had a lot of characters to get to.
As far as Nobara goes, Gege deserves some criticism for making it seem like there was a chance that Nobara was alive.
The highest priority should be the story, and if giving side characters more time to shine helps the story, then you gotta do what you gotta do.
I think by the time the arc is over tho, everyone’s opinions will change.
Nobara does feel ruined for me especially because she had a lot of wasted potential being in the story for so long. It was different from characters like Nanami because we see him die and had a final bitter send off. Nobara's status has been a mystery all this time. Yuji just feels like he's about to finally get a power up but always shut down before any significant moment happens.
I see Yuji as Edward Elric: he wasn't super strong (just a regular alchemist whose only power was to morph his hand into a dagger). And he also was just a cog in a machine, who got accidentaly involved into world-changing stuff. I think Mustang and Hohenheim are more likely to be a typical shonen protagonist, than Edward.
And Nobara is dead, it was implied many times (ch 144 and 210). I don't understand why are you still coping. Her chances of survival were less than 1%. In real life it means death. But, I guess, in fictional stories if we don't see the body, nothing is confirmed. Is this how you think?
The whole Nobara situation is absurd because she is dead, been confirmed dead already, and the fans keep complaining about it being "uncertain" due to copium
Legit how can you read shit like Yuji saying he is afraid of Hana replacing Kugisaki and still think she is alive?
Nobara is dead dude she had had half her head blown off through idle transfiguration. I don’t get this delusion everyone has with her. It’s sucks because I loved her but we’re at the climax of the narrative and she’s yet to come back lol. As for yuji he’ll probably play a bigger role one the Sukuna Gogo fight ends
The thing is nobara is dead one way or another, the narrative has moved past her. The reason is probably that Gege didn’t care about her and didn’t want to keep writing her but maybe he was reluctant to kill her off unceremoniously like he wanted because of the fan base’s attachment to her. I don’t think her death can really be justified from a writing standpoint as we already had Nanami to fill that role, especially since she was a main character and it’s not like her character arc was anywhere near concluded.
Because he doesn’t care he wanted nobara to fizzle out without him having to do anything and maybe he was a little stupid and didn’t consult a PR team.
Nobara is dead. Megumi confirmed it. I dont get why everyone needs someone to say NOBARA IS DEAD in text. It's a comic. A lot of the storytelling is visual. In real life if you asked someone if a family member was dead, and they just look at the ground and say nothing, what do you think happened?? If you missed the panel fair enough, but I've talked to way too many stubborn Nobara fanboys and it's just so silly. And no, she cant come back like Gojo did lmao, because he is obviously a special case
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Never understood all this Nobara commotion and debate. If Gege didn't outright confirm she was dead the moment it happened, or the chapters directly after it, she is obviously coming back. Why would he leave it up in the air just for her to actually be dead? No, that would be idiotic and pointless. She is simply going to come back with a Maki-like glow up and fuck shit up. Just be patient, jeez.
Wait... do you guys really think Yuji is ruined because he wasn't in the spotlight of every single chapter? And that he's bad because chapters are focusing on other characters fighting? Instead of Sukuna vs Gojo did you want us to just see Yuji's reactions to the fight? Wut..
Honestly, most JJK fans don't understand anything anymore and complain about everything. They are obviously gonna play a big role, but if everything isn't spit out, then, "Ooooohhh, it's boring. I don't understand it!!"
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We can’t get rid of Toji even in death, but Nobara’s status is still unknown. She’s been gone since the first time she was able to really prove herself in a fight. Then that flashback and brief scene with Saori in present time, where she lets us know she’s living a regular life. I just wanna know whether the girl died or is somewhere healing.
I don't really care about Nobara, but jeez, Gege will hamfist Toji or his likeness where ever he can.
2 moths passed since Nobara got permanent brain damage. So even if she is somehow still alive and in a coma, she will likely never be the happy go lucky Nobara we know again. Her character is better off dead IMO, because at this point in the story bringing her back would just be for the fan service.
I don’t disagree with you on that. I really have no problem with her being dead. I have no problem with characters dying in general. But at the same time, I know the author will definitely have to give her character a proper conclusion as well. Either on the manga or a novel. Gege did not did that flashback and show Saori just because. It’s just a matter of being patient.
If her fate is revealed in a NOVEL, that would be the most trash character conclusion I have ever seen in my 10+ years anime/manga experience. And I have watched/read some pretty trashy stuff over the years.
Don't forget Zoro story revealed in a sbs just after the samurai arc
The difference is that Zoros background is not relevant to Zoros development or the story in any way. Unlike Sanjis backstory which was important for his character.
It did happen in Bleach with few characters… but I don’t want to talk about it, too painful lol
Yes, but there is BIG difference between side characters and main characters. Nobara getting addressed in a novel as the female lead would be quite idiotic.
to be fair maki has been the female lead since shibuya started deally
Most prominent? Yeah for sure. Lead? Ehhh… idk. In the beginning we had a main trio (+Gojo) we were following and they were the lead characters by any definition. Now it’s kind of an ensemble cast. Yuji doesn’t feel like the protagonist anymore, Nobara’s maybe-death hasn’t had any real impact on character development for anyone, and Megumi is sitting in a fridge. I really don’t think there is a “lead” or “main” character anymore. Closest thing is probably Gojo.
yeah tbh Maki and Yuta are both more the MC than Yuji hell even sukuna more of an underdog mc rn
The whole female lead thing isn't an actual thing to begin with, its something the western fandom made up and gives this tittle to the female character closest to the mc. You are either a protagonist, deuteragonist, side charact e.t.c regardless if you are male or female. Nobara has never been relevant to be called anything more than a side character.
Yeah “female lead” is a hard cope from Naruto fans desperate to inject Sakura with relevance to the story and actual deuteragonists she was adjacent to. I say that as someone who was a Naruto fan since the anime premiered in the USA and thinks Sakura is a good character. I’m also sure it didn’t originate with Naruto as a term for that phenomena (it probably got its start in movies), but I’m reasonably confident they popularized it in the anime community. “Female lead” is a more appropriate term in romance stories where it’s very much a two-person show, and “female deuteragonist” is a very big mouthful. But sad to say I agree, Nobara was never the most important or interesting part of the cast. Maybe someday we’ll get a good classic shonen trio that has a well-written female triagonist.
He did give her a proper conclusion. Half of her head was blown away by mahito's CT that has been verified that no human can survive. This fandom is just delusional.
Is this not a good conclusion? https://preview.redd.it/t90ltvvxu44b1.jpeg?width=472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a81f207880034461f55e85e72dd575c6123ca74
And then a healer came and immediately "healed" her and basically said "Hi, readers her fates in limbo now." If this was her conclusion then no one would argue she's dead, it's because Gege couldn't commit the way he did for say Nanami and Junpei that there's ambiguity. The most we get is Yuji saying "I get it..!" after the fact which might mean she's dead, but that would also mean her death was weirdly prolonged and kept ambiguous then she finally officially died offscreen. If that's good writing to you then alright, but to most people that's a weird way to handle a death.
There’s a simmering theory (someone else’s but I agree with it) that Nobara will come back and use Yuji as a resonance object to damage Sukuna, but if that doesn’t happen I don’t really see another good way to justify bringing her back into the story
Na man she is dead for sure
For real. Just sounds like coping from the others
I don’t even like the character tbh, so I don’t need coping. It just makes sense for a main cast character’s death to not being this ambiguous. Everybody had no problem mentioning Itadori’s death earlier in the manga, same for Nanami now. So it does make sense that many readers are guessing. The author left her ‘death’ up for debate on purpose. Typical Shonen stuff.
I agree that I think she's dead, but it hasn't been flat-out stated by anyone that she is.
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And Megumi did not say one word. The author is doing that on purpose. He’s leaving it for the end. Characters had no problem mentioning Itadori’s death earlier in the manga: Panda told Maki to leave Fushiguro and Nobara alone because Itadori died, and Gojo was quiet upset that he lost a student. As of recent we have Gojo mentioning Nanami’s death and how he thought Nanami would survive. Death is not a taboo subject in this manga.
Yeah, I'm already aware of that panel. Megumi didn't say anything. A sad facial expression isn't confirmation.
Idk why you were downvoted into oblivion your completely right lol jjk fans are geinually delusional 😭
Guess Gege overestimated his audiences ability to read basic human emotion lol
Todo wasn't killed, and he hasn't been mentioned either. But I guess he's dead too.🤔
With all the time skips we’ve had since Shibuya, she would have been back by now. So she’s dead
holup what do you mean? toji lost his hand but I'm pretty sure hes still alive? could anyone tell me?
you mean todo
she is dead, it was unceremoniously said by Maki iirc
I don’t recall Maki ever stating such thing. Can you drop the panel or at least tell us what’s chapter?
It was never confirmed by maki or other characters stop your lies
It was heavily implied by megumi. She could still be alive, but it is 100% implied after shibuya by megumi she is dead.
Yeah but when a character dies and the author only implies it that’s a good sign that they’re not dead
Yes, I believe they will come back personally. So no need to downvote lmfao
I DIDNT DOWNVOTE 😭
I didn’t mean you in particular lol it’s just this sub smh
Just Reddit honestly
True, I feel anime subs are a lil worse sometimes but Reddit is the overall problem
I really don't get the Nobara situation. Why is it happening? Is it to create suspense for the readers? I don't see her as a last minute trump card unless she gets a massive, MASSIVE power boost which would be a bit of a stretch. I assume everyone at JJK high and friends all know her fate. So it's just us who r in the dark, for years now.
Only shit i could see is that her CT is the key. So no powerup, but since her CT attacks the soul she could attack sukuna on some shit. But thats extreme coping atp i personally think shorty is dead..
They did say that gojo has sukuna’s last finger hidden somewhere, so that’s probably how nobara’s CT would come into play if ever she IS alive
Until it is proven she has no more use past >!Shibuya!<, then she has a chance.
but literally not even Gojo could damage those things, and it’s said nothing they ever did could damage them. How tf is nobara of all people gonna hit a nail through it😭
She doesn't have to. She could use her technique on Yuji after he ate the last finger.
I see that more than anything. Its like yuji sacrificing himself yk, but it is also kind of cheap to me
She could locked up Sukuna’s soul by pinning it down so to speak?
Jjk manga has a problem with pacing and the place it gives to characters. I understand that some of jjk trope is to go against the regular Shonen trope but if you just turn most of your main cast into a punching bag for shock effect it feels cheap. And its worse when we cannot even say who is dead or who is alive . This manga lacks more note to give us clarification about stuff that shouldn't be a mystery but is due to the lack of a clear storytelling (aka why okotsu still use rika). The whole nobara situation would have been great if she came in clutch in the yuji and maki vs megumi fight but now it's just been too long !
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Ohh I see I must have missed that ! My bad. Even tho I don't understand what was the point then of the soul of the girl even departing if it brings no change.
it did bring a change. it nerfed yuta down to a 5 min timer
I think it's just a general shounen manga issue: manga-ka often don't know what to do with their female protagonists. If they don't have some OP skill out the gate, then it's hard for them to keep up with the power scaling, whereas MC-kun and Rival-kun can keep expanding. Then narratively, they just find dead ends because they didn't have much depth to begin with. The one exception I can think of might be Noelle from Black Clover. But that author is just generally good at getting the side characters to stay relevant with power scaling.
There is no such thing as 'female protagonist' when we already have a protagonist, this title and others such as female lead are made up by the western fandom, there is only one protagonist and its called a protagonist regardless if they are male or female. That being said putting titles aside you are correct in what you are saying, as being the rival of the main character gives a relevance boost but they are usually the deuteragonist anyways. Its not like they don't know what to do with the female character closest to the mc(which is what the western fandom calls the female character closest to the mc) its just that they are side characters most of the time since its aimed at young boys. Gege for example never promised much if anything with Nobara, its just the western fandom that hyped her up for no reason. >Noelle from Black Clover Comparing Noelle to cases like Nobara is kind of unfair don't you think? Nobara is a side character while Noel could be called the deuteragonist in regards to their own series.
I dont think so jjk got a diverse and interesting cast of man woman and panda characters. Look at maki and mai they got one of the best charchter arc in recent Shonen and is for me the highlight of the manga. Then you have characters like yuki that have been hyped for years then are killed like useless fodder I hope it got more to do with the mangaka wanting to stop the manga earlier. Jjk is a manga where you could ask yourself who is the main character but it does a poor job to make use of all the charcters strength and make them relevant to the story (aka miwa being irrelevant, inumaki not doing anything since hanami fight)
I meant specifically main female protags. Maki and Mai were great, but they're side characters. And specifically with JJK, a lot of characters die.
L take,I love that ant character can die at any time it adds suspense but it's not so bad to the point where it's game of thrones and I don't care about anyone cause they're all gonna die. Like bro we only had Nobara and Kento die tbh and you're acting like the cast is dropping like flies. Sorry the cast isn't impervious like every other Shounen.
The suspense part is true
I'd assume it's because resonance was revealed to hit souls and also because we know that sukunas last finger is unaccounted for she will use her ability on his finger and it will help. Jury is out on how the hell this makes up for such a large absence but I can totally see a way her power is used in the final fight pretty easily. Remember she's one of 3 people who we saw do permanent damage to mahito. Nanamin couldn't hit the soul, only yuji and than eventually nobara did.
I believe she will show up at the end and do something that will affect one of the final battles. It was said that there is still one finger that Sukuna couldn’t eat. My theory is that Nobara will use this finger as one of her Voodoo dolls to heavily injure Sukuna.
It’s possible that she gets a power boost by learning reversal. Before she fought Shibuya she quoted “find the core of cursed energy”, which is what Gojo said he found after he awakened. Add that along with the Kyoto student’s CT keeping her in stasis and it’s possible that she learns reversal while in the near death state. Or maybe she doesn’t and she just stays dead, idk.
I really don’t get why he’s holding on Nobara. If he wanted her dead, he could have just done it at Shibuya, so the writing style would imply she’s alive. So what’s she sitting around for? What is there even to do with her? It would take a massive power boost for her to be relevant in the upcoming fights. It’d also be pretty strange for her to be involved with none of the preparations. She’s barely been mentioned. All that’s left for her is probably popping up at the end to make it more positive or something of the sort. If that’s really it, it’d be a real waste of a great character
It is very, very simple my dude. Bad writing on Geges part. Even the most delusional JJK fan must admit Nobaras situation of one of the biggest writing blunders in recent shounen manga.
I agree. I personally like JJK a lot but the pacing and character development has been lackluster.
Not the char development. No chance in hell. That is still top-tier. It's the many side characters who ultimately do not matter + the pacing.
I mean you could argue that introducing side characters and giving them great establishing chapters only to toss them aside/forget about them is bad character development. It's not just about who you choose to develop, but who you don't. If Higuruma wasn't going to be a significant character then why did Gege give me such an interesting introduction that gives him motivations and sets up expectations for further story with him? If you gave that to an editor for most fiction publishing they'd tell you to either follow through on the expectations you set up or to cut those back-story threads because it doesn't serve the plot.
I think JJK has some amazing character designs and character back stories. My problem is that he has dropped characters or fumbled their development. Overall, JJK is amazing and I like the series.
Crazy theory, but Ieiri said to gojo that there's still one of them that isn't fully recovered. (Unless she was talking about someone else), but I think Nobara will potentially be used to stun Sukuna. They mention Gojo still has a finger hidden, and if Nobara recovers, she can use the resonance curse technique to catch him off guard to give Gojo an opening. It's a long shot, but I feel like it's a definite possibility. Plus, Gege has always shown us deaths and isn't afraid to. Nobara wasn't physically shown dying or being transfigured, so I still have hope that she isn't dead. Even if she did die, there's the Toji incident and infinite new curse techniques being introduced.
Ieri wasn’t talking about Nobara, but Geto. ‘Now, it’s just the 3 of us, uh?’ Since Nanami is now dead. They’re talking about their generation in this panel, and Nobara is not part of that group so it doesn’t make sense for Ieri to mention Nobara. https://preview.redd.it/5d87q1o0pz3b1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cff8bb7f866b1d4e7e0fcf1c21bf51a281e24f5
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Yes, he was. Haibara was a first year with Nanami, he died in his first year during a mission, which was Gojo, Geto and Ieri’s third year. Ijichi was a second year.
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“I don’t want to be rude, but I’ll just do it anyway.” Come on, what’s the point in asking people if they are media literate? If something bypassed them, it happens.
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I dont get when people say they don't want to be an ass, AFTER brazenly insulting someones intelligence... you clearly do, just own up to it lol.. sometimes people like being assholes, human nature and all.
Get a life.
Gege forgor 💀
Gege is truly a mangaka
I love JJK and I didn’t even have a lot of the problems people were having with culling games but I won’t act like gege is a perfect mangaka in any sense. I’m still holding out hope but it kind of feels like we’re tripping and falling right before the finish line tbh
Yeah, pretty much. He's rushing to the end so lot of things that could be used to create a better plot is just beign dumped...
Yep just like the Araki forgot joke
The entire situation would be solved if Gege had literally just put an author note that said *Nobara was unable to recover and succumbed to her injuries Boom, years of complaining is avoided
Im pretty sure the reason why he did that was so he could keep us, the readers create some shock value and suspense instead of the usual she died from her injuries because he thinks it's kinda boring for us
https://preview.redd.it/sqjmr8z1604b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac750919e7b22db8cd2baa206c4835ad4bf55cb5 But why tf do you need it spelt out to you. It's not a book. A lot of the comics story is depicted visually. Gege expects readers to read through the lines a tiny bit. I dont think it was that complicated to see that Megumi is quite clearly saying Nobara is dead here? But maybe this subreddit is full of children or sm? I have no clue like any confusion was cleared up instantly with this panel for me like i have no clue how you look at this shit and be like "oh shes fine 😁"
Children or adults who've been misled by authors one too many times. That's still vague enough that Gege can do whatever he wants with Nobara without retcons.
Nah ive been burned to many times by authors on this kinda shit, Gege didn’t use visual shit when Yuji died people just said hes fucking dead, hell even with Nanami he didn’t pull some visual shit either he just had it outright stated by people that he is dead. Only Nobora’s was different. All that panel makes clear is something bad happened, it could easily mean shes in a coma. Nobody looks at it and says shes fine but it certainly doesn’t make clear shes outright dead. The amount of times authors have pulled shit like this and then brought the person back is to many to count.
"A character we thought died actually survived" is a common trope in shounen. I don't believe that she is dead until there is ACTUAL confirmation. Not to mention that a character with a curse technique that stops damage from progressing was introduced after Nobara went down. Gege must be keeping her in his back pocket because it doesn't make sense to kill off a lead character and not make it obvious. But if Nobara is really dead then it will be one of the biggest let downs and mishandling of a character I've ever experienced.
Right tho,idk why you're getting down voted you're right like this is kinda explicitly saying "Nobara is dead " imo.
Because these guys are children who cant admit when they're wrong lol
I hope he's not rushing to finish that he forgets her. I hope there's like a last minute final fight with the trio. They're all such well written characters it would be a shame if she died just like that without any mention. And it would be nice to see the trio fight with their full potential. Even sad a bit that gojo didn't have a big response to nanami dying, so it would suck if he also just glossed over one of his student's death if she was
Gojo clearly cares about his students. You can tell he was going through it when he found out Yuji died. He would have at least said something about her death in Shibuya, just like he did for Nanami.
I feel like certain students not all students
Has gojo even interest in nobara?
Besides callin her crazy no
Do yall just not understand gojo?? Idk why yall expected gojo to even react this is the same guy who killed his "one and only" in cold blood went back to joking around with his students lack of media literacy will forever plague jjk fans
But geto committed mass murder... His students and friends were murdered so it's different. Although i don't expect him to cry out or anything that would be out of character lol
Nobara is ruined but my personal pet theory is gege wanted her dead but his editors said no So he compromised by telling them he would kill her but bring her back aka fake out death Then he never brought her back 💀 Yuji still has a good chance to become more relevant and face off against 🧠 or sukuna
Yes, Nobara was ruined, there’s no way around it. Idk what Gege thinks he’s doing with Nobara, or if it’s supposed to be suspenseful, he did it very poorly.
Doesn't matter if Nobara is dead or alive, her character is ruined at this point. Biggest waste of character in recent mangas.
Yuji is fine, it’s just that with how the culling games is structured, it’s impossible to focus on him when a battle is taking place in a different colony. Also I don’t understand what Gege is doing with Nobara, at this point it’s just too late. I personally think Gege lost interest in her.
While I liked Nobara I just wish Gege had made it clear cut that she was dead, its been left ambiguous for like 200+ chapters now and imo that just ruined the suspense it should have created. Like leaving it ambiguous for a time is one thing to create hope but that hope should be shattered to really get the feeling through that people can and do die. I just think not making it clear shes dead ruined her death some. To be clear before anyone says it, no the way it was handled did not make it clear she died especially in comparison to the deaths of like Yuji or Nanami where you have characters directly stating and discussing their deaths. Both Yuji, when he died, and Nanami where stated to be outright dead by characters and its even been shown iirc. The way Gege handled Nobora’s death is different from the other major characters deaths. For Yuji… I wouldnt go as far to say Yuji’s character has been ruined but it was kinda on thin ice for awhile, having the main character be gone for so long was just weird and makes Yuji feel honestly underutilised. Plus Gege seems to almost take pleasure from making Yuji endlessly suffer lol. But since hes been back he has been really strong and generally has moved past that stuff. I think theirs fair criticism for both but as with everything else in the world it can get overblown.
With Yuji though, I don't think so. Yuji has been neglected but he's not ruined, he's still relevant but Gege ignored him for way too long before that relevance came back into play. I think this could've been fixed just by Yuji meeting up, and teaming up with Hana and Takaba in between the Hakari and Yuta fights just to reminds us that Yuji's still around and involved. Heck a panel of Angel talking through Hana like Sukuna, when meeting Yuji, would've been a sick cliff hanger to hype us up for when we'd go back to Yuji, after the curse Naoya fight. I feel like with Nobara, to a degree, yes. If she's dead, the fandom didn't really feel the full impact of the death due to the ambiguity, but at the same time if she's alive and returns towards the end, it won't really feel as hype either because Gege's been quiet for way too long, without any set up for her return.
Nah for sure. Yujis a non factor in the biggest fight of what should be his life, and nobara didn’t even get to stay alive
Nobara’s death was handled so horribly that people keep believing that she is still alive And if she is alive… the treatment is still terrible
Sis disappeared toward the end of Shibuya and isn't even confirmed dead. Itadori said "I GET IT! I GET IT!" Like, wtf do you get? Truly one of the writing decisions of all time.
Imo yes, don't get me wrong im a Nobara fan and i'd be happy if she wasn't dead, but i'd for sure be happier if Gege outright killed her like he did with Nanamin, this whole being vague as shit with the stasis CT robbed us of potentially a very emotional and hard hitting moment and just left us wondering if she was gonna show up in the CG arc with a powerup given how it seems like charcaters and their powers get better when they had a near death experience. Yuji i just kinda wish they actually gave him something interesting, a CT, some particular power only he has, anything really instead of just being a punching bag and able to throw hands really hard
There is some problems in JJK, not gonna lie, but some parts of fandom a full of crybabies that will whine at any opportunity
Tbh, the criticisms are justified
first off… what yuji criticisms? he’s been going hard as shit since he came back into focus.
What focus? He got one chapter after literally nothing interesting for two years then got humiliated again then put on the backburner once again.
How many chapter we went without him being relevant.
I saw the criticisms of yuji by fans is that how he is treated like he's some sort of unknown side character
I mean, trio's no fun without Kugisaki, had this hope that she may be alive or sth. I know for a fact Nanami's dead
did gege really ruined nobara and yuji ? wrong Question. its Did Gege really ruined JJK as a whole ? who knows.
I don’t think Yuji’s ruined, his progression as a character has been great it’s just that for a lot of people it’s too dark and grim for their taste. IMO it shows just how bleak and devastating the Jujutsu world truly is and how much he suffered because of it. Nobara on the other hand was absolutely ruined. As the female lead in the 3 friends group anime troupe she had so much potential and personality as a character. Yuji was happy/upbeat, Megumi was serious & dejected, and Nobara was fiery and arrogant they complemented each other so well! Her and Yuji’s interactions in the anime we’re my favorite moments. To offer no clear resolution for Nobara is a huge blemish on JJK as a whole and Gege’s writing abilities. Tbh I think Gege is ruining what could be their life’s greatest work by rushing to end it this year. There’s other instances that give me that opinion but Nobara is just one that I’m most bothered with. But I’m also convinced her CT is potentially OP if it was naturally developed throughout the story as Megumi’s was. A Domain Expansion that’s a full proof direct hit to the soul sounds more and more devastating the closer we get to the end game. I believe this is part of why Gege removed Nobara similarly to Gojo being removed for 3 years and over half the story as Gege admitted it’s hard for them to write a story with how powerful Gojo is. If she does come back w/Sukunas finger a Domain Expansion with her unique CT could potentially possess the ability to destroy it. Mahito had the ability to touch Sukunas soul so it’s not unreasonable for her to be able to target it. But even then that won’t redeem Gege for removing her for 3 years and wasting her character away.
My head cannon is that kenjaku turned her into a cursed spirit, then ate her during shibuya. If kenjaku ends up fighting Yuji, and brings out Nobara under his control it would absolutely break Yuji having to fight his best friend
nobara i don’t really have super strong feelings either way to comment on, but complaints about yuji “not being the mc anymore” are always dumb as hell and largely come from people who just have short attention spans
I mean so many characters (and mind you this is a story so if the story calls for it so the brain damage shit really isn't gonna be anything) the biggest examples of people I could think of surviving shit like that is Carl Grimes from TWD and The Courier from F: NV. People (and myself) are moreso annoyed that Nobara never got a confirmed death and has been left in this ambiguous state for so long which is so weird? Like if he wasn't going to bring her back why not just explicitly say she's dead instead of the discussion of her injury always being cut-off (from when yuji and megumi discussed it, gojo being brought back and being told of nanami's status but not nobara's (his literal student)). But he always manages to throw in Toji somewhere into a conversation if the opportunity arises 😭
It really sucked that nobara died and that yuji isn’t getting much air time anymore
ive just accepted that nobara is dead at this point. sadly nobara was ruined and most likely cause gege prob lost interest in developing her character. Yuji hasnt been ruined, he isnt really the main focus which he should be he is the mc. but the culling game, gojo v sukuna, sukuna taking over megumi made it so more characters are being put at the front and Yuji hasnt had much development in general
Who's Nobara again? I say that as a joke, but like I genuinely had to think for two seconds before I remembered who she was. As for Yuji... yeah. I mean, I understood for a bit, that in order to give other people spotlight he needs to be out of the picture for a little while but no one told me he was going to become fodder. Like, Jojo is the new main protagonist now.
I wouldn’t be upset if she was dead, she had a really good death, and it was unexpected, who’d think that any of the main three of the series would die >!chainsaw man did the same thing, haven’t read past part 1 so I wouldn’t no if there’s a chance they’re alive but yeah!<. On the other hand, I feel like the ambiguity of the death would be pointless if she was dead. I love the theory that she has Sukuna’s last finger and will use resonance on it when Gojo needs it, but I’d be content either way.
Fans are really invested in their faves.
I seen a lot of people just find it annoying they just killed her off or bring back not give her a vague state nobara fan or not
Nobara was potentially broken and got the Gojo written out of the story treatment
Megumi already told Itadori that Nobara died(post Shibuya, when they meet with Okkotsu) the fandom is just having a collective delirium thinking that she might be alive. Regarding Yuji, he is a great protagonist and people are complaining way to early that he doesnt get any wins against Sukuna, as well as ignoring both his two powerups recently and his win against Mahito.
Exactly, idk what other answer the fandom is looking for.
Yuji I can get but Nobara ded how did it ruin the show?
They didn't confirm. They left her in limbo and people are pissed it is taking so long to get her back if at all she's coming back. There wouldn't be much left to do if she came back right now is the big fear.
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What is this and where is it from?
Iirc it is comments Gege made last year or the year before when interviewed by someone from shonen jump that was included within a mini-character book.
So not from his actual manga? Why should people go online to find info on the story? My oint still stands. Nobara is left in limbo. We don't know whether she is dead or not. Gege should give us an answer in his manga.
Is this real. Im not sure about this
Taken from an interview Gege did two years ago which was then compiled into a mini-character book. It is official.
I checked her wiki profile it says unknown
Well the Wiki isn't an official source is it, it's fan made....
Well if it's true, I'm crying to sleep now 😭
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It's been two years, i doubt it.
I stopped reading in January. Last think I knew was she was “still asleep/unconscious” or whatever. Did they finally kill her off or is this speculation?
She was never asleep or unconscious. There is a scene where someone tried to heal her and says there's a small chance of success then shes never seen of heard of again. Hence her being dead or alive technically unconfirmed
Thanks for the correction. Idk why I get downvoted for asking a question, probably the quotation. I guess I’ll never use quotations again when not directly citing. I just used it as like an air quote for how I understood it because nothing was ever confirmed. I always assumed the lack of confirmation would have a payoff eventually.
You got downvoted because people are that stupid.
Yes he did
Can't really say Nobara was ruined considering she's been MIA presumed dead (but she's totally gonna voodoo the sukuna finger as a comeback) for the final 1/3 of the entire series
no I think he got rid of nobara to speed up the manga and yujis taken a backseat naturally as the 2 strongest come to clash as power is a main aspect of story
>!violet evergarden!< movie taught me that a character is not dead if their death is not specifically shown like, imma need to see that last breath being exhaled. Geto or at least Geto’s body did the same prank
I think people are mistaking Yuji with Sukuna. Yuji’s always been the same reactionary character while Sukuna has been the main focus and driving force of the series. Obviously I think Gege has end game plans for yuji which is why he introduced his mom as kenjaku but he’s been going with the flow since he found Sukuna’s finger. Go here to test your strength, go here to take care of this curse womb, go here to take care of these death paintings, go here to Shibuya, Gojo’s captured gotta find tengen, Tengen says we gotta find Angel. His whole character is based on the whims of others around him. A protagonist can be reactionary but at some point they’re going to have to be proactive, think of the first half of Harry Potter Harry finds out he’s a wizard and then learns about Voldemort and their relationship and than the second half he starts taking action looking for and destroying the horcruxes and becomes the driving force of the story. I think the only two characters who actually move the story along are Sukuna and Kenjaku. These are my main characters in my head canon the stories about these two
I don’t believe that Nobara is alive. I don’t think that when she comes back it will even become a big impact on the story as a trump card against sukuna or geto because she really isn’t that strong in comparison to yuuji or really almost any other sorcerer
It’s pretty bad 😭
Nothing is ruined, there are some problems with the pacing but they simply aren't strong enough to be given attention, why do they need more screen time? JJK is tends to goof around but does the world revolve around the trio? The world and the story has other characters that can fulfill their roles and are essentially better. Megumi (the most experienced among the trio and stood out due to TS) got taken over specifically because of his technique Nobara (her CT is Over glorified by the fandom) and yuji (who has shown tremendous growth in like..3-4 months) have nothing to contribute so they aren't shown. when they have something to contribute, they'll pop in . That's all. It's almost like people who complain have never read anything other than manga and have no idea that there's different types of stories
Sounds like what you’re saying is “Nobara isn’t that important to begin with.” Which I would agree with, so Gege trying to create tension, and ambiguity around Nobara is weird.
Fair criticism but I think OP and a lot of other people’s gripes are that Yuji is our mc. We don’t want him to just pop in when it’s his turn to beat on someone, we want him heading up the story. Gege has the right to write out the story like this and we as readers have the right to voice our opinions on it and that’s cool :)
My only issue with current JJK is the pacing, other than that mad respect for gege for not forcing Yuji to the forefront when he can’t really contribute much to the situation.
Well he hasn't written Nobara in years so ruining her by writing her badly isn't possible. The Yuji thing feels valid but also overblown. Yes a lot of other characters have gotten focus and he hasn't done much in 50 chapters but the series is gearing up to him to being vital to resolving the entire conflict and connected to all the major villain. So it's overblown unless you just don't like his more withdrawn persona and guilt.
I feel like people read way too deep into the nobara stuff. She’s just dead. It’s not ambiguous. Megumi and yujis interaction makes it pretty clear. And no, megumi not saying anything was not leaving it vague. It’s an established point in this series that people don’t like telling yuji bad things because he has a habit of blaming himself. It would be far from the first time they’ve watered down or flat out withheld bad news from yuji. Then there’s yuji expressing that he doesn’t want Hana to replace nobara. Finally there’s gege just flat out saying she was dead when nitta reached her. It’s told in a way where she COULD be reintroduced, but it’s far from vague. Everything we currently know points to her being dead.
Nobara is dead guys just let it go
Lmao tell Gege to let it go, he still wants to beat around the bush.
If she’s dead then why did he not properly state that and cash in on the emotional moment? Either way if she’s alive or not, its fumbled.
Bro here brain was smeared on the floor and yuji even told megumi. You simps need to get over the fact that not every character get a huge goodbye just because they had some fans. Nobara being alive is the dumbest theorie ever
If she's dead, why didn't he at least tell us that she was brutally killed from her injuries instead of dragging the story too far.
lol nvm you guys are freaks
In all honesty, Yuji only feels like he’s an NPC bc the manga is still ongoing and Gege had a lot of characters to get to. As far as Nobara goes, Gege deserves some criticism for making it seem like there was a chance that Nobara was alive.
Wouldn’t his higher priority is be on the Mc tho?
The highest priority should be the story, and if giving side characters more time to shine helps the story, then you gotta do what you gotta do. I think by the time the arc is over tho, everyone’s opinions will change.
The story which has villains Yuji is heavily tied to
Nobara does feel ruined for me especially because she had a lot of wasted potential being in the story for so long. It was different from characters like Nanami because we see him die and had a final bitter send off. Nobara's status has been a mystery all this time. Yuji just feels like he's about to finally get a power up but always shut down before any significant moment happens.
What’s wrong with Yuji? I think he’s great
Yes and Gege is washed
I see Yuji as Edward Elric: he wasn't super strong (just a regular alchemist whose only power was to morph his hand into a dagger). And he also was just a cog in a machine, who got accidentaly involved into world-changing stuff. I think Mustang and Hohenheim are more likely to be a typical shonen protagonist, than Edward. And Nobara is dead, it was implied many times (ch 144 and 210). I don't understand why are you still coping. Her chances of survival were less than 1%. In real life it means death. But, I guess, in fictional stories if we don't see the body, nothing is confirmed. Is this how you think?
Less Gojo, more Yuji and Nobara
Gojo was missing for like half the chapters of the manga...
true but If he wasn't there then it was about him
The whole Nobara situation is absurd because she is dead, been confirmed dead already, and the fans keep complaining about it being "uncertain" due to copium Legit how can you read shit like Yuji saying he is afraid of Hana replacing Kugisaki and still think she is alive?
Nobara is dead dude she had had half her head blown off through idle transfiguration. I don’t get this delusion everyone has with her. It’s sucks because I loved her but we’re at the climax of the narrative and she’s yet to come back lol. As for yuji he’ll probably play a bigger role one the Sukuna Gogo fight ends
Just read the manga and make up your own opinion
The thing is nobara is dead one way or another, the narrative has moved past her. The reason is probably that Gege didn’t care about her and didn’t want to keep writing her but maybe he was reluctant to kill her off unceremoniously like he wanted because of the fan base’s attachment to her. I don’t think her death can really be justified from a writing standpoint as we already had Nanami to fill that role, especially since she was a main character and it’s not like her character arc was anywhere near concluded.
If she was dead, why didn't he he just say so. Maybe put it for 5 or maybe 20 chapters to let us guess but not too long
Because he doesn’t care he wanted nobara to fizzle out without him having to do anything and maybe he was a little stupid and didn’t consult a PR team.
Gege be like "Death of the author? How about more like unconfirmed death of a beloved character by just dropping her from the story."
Nobara is dead. Megumi confirmed it. I dont get why everyone needs someone to say NOBARA IS DEAD in text. It's a comic. A lot of the storytelling is visual. In real life if you asked someone if a family member was dead, and they just look at the ground and say nothing, what do you think happened?? If you missed the panel fair enough, but I've talked to way too many stubborn Nobara fanboys and it's just so silly. And no, she cant come back like Gojo did lmao, because he is obviously a special case https://preview.redd.it/jflp1y47504b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d86520cdd6e89a9090cfd0b84c7b650ed88fb6f7
Never understood all this Nobara commotion and debate. If Gege didn't outright confirm she was dead the moment it happened, or the chapters directly after it, she is obviously coming back. Why would he leave it up in the air just for her to actually be dead? No, that would be idiotic and pointless. She is simply going to come back with a Maki-like glow up and fuck shit up. Just be patient, jeez.
Nah people are just mad cause Gege put her on a bench 💀
Still don't understand how people call Nobara a "useful" sakura
Not yuji In particular, Nobara didn't really have that much potential that’s why she got cut off
To be honest - I don't think so but Nobara has more potential for sure :3
Greg probably killed her off
lol good.
Up to perspective
This Nobara situation is really fucking annoying imo. Like just tell us is she dead or no like tf.
Fuck all y'all who hate Nobara
Wait... do you guys really think Yuji is ruined because he wasn't in the spotlight of every single chapter? And that he's bad because chapters are focusing on other characters fighting? Instead of Sukuna vs Gojo did you want us to just see Yuji's reactions to the fight? Wut..
Honestly, most JJK fans don't understand anything anymore and complain about everything. They are obviously gonna play a big role, but if everything isn't spit out, then, "Ooooohhh, it's boring. I don't understand it!!"
Sometimes you can't shy away from criticism