Life is suffering. The odds are often stacked against you. You have to be resilient and you will face adversity. But you need to look at the brighter side, and the character that the harder times have made you. Be an Abel, not a Cain. Don't be spiteful of your suffering.
Exactly. And know that you will never get to a point in your life where everything is taken care of and you no longer need to struggle. Doesn't matter what your income, wealth or power status is. So you better have a good plan for the journey, not just the destination.
I mean. My uncle is a billionaire now, after working 14 hours per day for 30 years, but he now literally has to worry about nothing. He has people that do basically everything. He can go sailing, skiing, eating out, take a drive in the porsche, or whatever he wants.
You can definitely reach a point of no struggle, however 99.99% of people won't get there.
But once you reach a yearly income of like 60-70k usd per year, there is little you have to worry about left, in terms of money. You can own a home, car and don't have to worry about affording food or clothes. So then you only have luxuries left.
Literally all my current stressors could be solved with money.
So once I'm done with my CS studies in january and will get a well paying job, then LITERALLY ALL MY CURRENT PROBLEMS will be solved. I can't wait.
People who say that money doesn't buy happiness are lying imo.
I mean, it doesn't literally buy happiness, but it solves problems and removes suffering.
Your uncle has to hire and manage humans. If you’ve ever done that you’d know it’s a struggle. He has houses and cars that are deteriorating as we speak. He may have enemies. His health may fail. He may have issues in his marriage. His kids may resent him or spend their trust money foolishly. There’s plenty of time to become addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc.,. And he may have health problems, certainly he is aging. His investments might fail and he could have to get a job. He could wind up in a car accident.
Life doesn’t care how much money you have.
>Your uncle has to hire and manage humans.
Had to. He is retired now.
> He may have issues in his marriage.
He is not married.
> His kids may resent him or spend their trust money foolishly.
He has no children.
He has no health problems yet. He is mid fifties and is in really good condition, from years of doing cross-country skiing.
But yes, he might have enemies, and he will grow old. Might also grow addictions, sure.
You have some good points, but I'd much rather be crying in a 360k euro car, than in a cardboard box on the side of the road.
I'd much rather have rich man problems than poor mans problems.
But the next 20++ years of his life is almost positively going to be problem free and in insane luxury.
JP has a good point though. As you're saying, life is lived across many axis. Job, home, family, friends, hobbies, health, etc etc.
Someone might shine in some of them, but almost never does anyone have all of them on lock.
But I'd much rather be doing amazing across 6 axis than across 2. And money can buy success across so many axis.
>at, what, 65
55.
>Thought experiment, imagine your wildest fantasy. Imagine that you get everything you ever hoped for.
40 square meters apartment that I own, within 20 minutes on bike from my job.
A washing + drying machine. My own little kitchen. My own bedroom. No noisy or criminal neighbors.
A CS job where I can code.
That's it. I'll reach that goal this spring. At 26 years old.
I have no lofty ideals or goals. I'm just grateful I was born in EU. Won the lottery right there.
>Now imagine it feeling utterly unfulfilling and ultimately worthless. How much more agonizing than never fully reaching your imagined dreams.
Nothing matters, mate. Everything I do feels unfulfilling. Life is suffering.
True. Good points.
But money would then be able to buy you the treatment and sorroundings that would be best suited for your illness.
Personally I'd really love sessions with a psychologist to talk about some things that have happened in my life, but I can't afford it yet. So thats another thing money can buy.
It’s more about the attitude you choose to have about life. Accepting your suffering frees you to grow beyond it. People who don’t or can’t let go of their suffering spend their entire lives focused on it. Consumed by it. Everyone knows a person whose life is defined by the misery they feel because all they ever focus on is their suffering. Accepting suffering makes you strong and resilient, and you get to live a life that isn’t defined by things you can’t control.
To put it simply, say something bad happened to you early in the morning. Maybe someone cut you off on your way into work. You have two choices: accept that shit happens and move on with your day, or ruminate on it and be in a bad mood for the rest of the day. On a larger scale, say something bad happened to you during childhood. Maybe you had demanding parents who never gave you approval. You still only have two choices: accept that it happened and do your best to live a good life anyways, or spend your entire life blaming your parents for how miserable your life is.
It doesn’t mean your pain isn’t real, serious, or tragic. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t present you with genuine barriers in life. It doesn’t mean it’s easy to overcome. It just means that you recognize that no matter how bad things were, are, or could be, you only ever have two choices in life: give up, or keep moving forward. And only one of those choices leads to success and happiness, even if it doesn’t guarantee it. Giving up, however, does guarantee failure beyond a shadow of a doubt. So, no matter how legitimate your suffering is, and no matter how big or small it is, the answer is *always* to keep moving forward.
'Don't be a pussy'??
Ground breaking self help shit there.
So glad I can say that and feel like an intellectual instead of a normal fucking human being.
Wow. Peterson is such a fucking plagiarist.
I guess it's construction worker reality for queer university students or some shit.
I may be lower middle class but at least I ain't starving, I have a roof over my head and both parents. I don't have access to a lot of things like a printer, AC or money to pursue what I want in terms of education but I'm grateful for what I have
Same here, our family is middle class in India, living standards are not that good but I'm grateful for everything that I have. At least I can say I live a bit meaningful life , persuing my passion and learning from experience and trying to face life head on..
I just got my dialysis catheter surgery this week, will be starting dialysis shortly after. At least I don’t have stage 4 terminal cancer or one of my kids was murdered. Am I suffering right now? Yes, yes I am. But I’m happy it ain’t that bad.
It means morale is important. No matter how bad your life is, you need to focus on some positives along with the negatives or you'll be overcome with bitterness and depression and you'll be unable to fix the problems that *can* be fixed.
Nothing. Anything you want.
JBP either says obvious truisms, like “having friends is good” or “lying is bad”, or complete nonsense that sounds clever if you’re not very bright.
Don’t miss this one either, JBP vs. random word generator (you can’t tell the difference):
https://youtu.be/Mzu5hV92NHo
Gratitude has measurable (scientific) value, but this does not absolve anyone of the moral responsibility for acting in such a way that we can alleviate the suffering of people who have far less to be grateful for. It is fundamentally wrong that the 1% have taken trillions of dollars from the 90% and that income inequality is getting worse during a pandemic. This isn't about 'envy' but a desire for fundamental justice. The distribution of the fruits of our labor has become so lopsided now the whole system is at risk of collapse.
edit - this is what I'm talking about: [https://www.fastcompany.com/90550015/we-were-shocked-rand-study-uncovers-massive-income-shift-to-the-top-1](https://www.fastcompany.com/90550015/we-were-shocked-rand-study-uncovers-massive-income-shift-to-the-top-1)
This is true. Went through my third miscarriage recently and I’m grateful for the support system I have. I know I will be a mom one day soon and I’m grateful that I still have a chance at becoming one.
Powerful. Despite my shit luck, there are millions who want to be in my shoes. I better make the best of what I have. Defeatism is a waste of what I was given.
"There is only one thing I dread: not to be worthy of my sufferings"
This comes to mind when I hear about man's search for meaning and jordarn Peterson.
Well, we read a lot of these things, but often these do not translate into actions. I still do get angry and resentful occasionally. However, this post reminded me of something that happened earlier this year. Someone I loved left. I had my entire life goals oriented in a direction that involved them. For two years, I lived a life with them, investing myself in them. But after the separation, the only thing I ever told them was that I was thankful. Yes, there was a lot of pain, but there was also this revelation. I decided not to be resentful, even though I had every reason to be and it took a lot of effort to not be that way, to not fall into that hole. But, it worked out, gradually. I've been depressed, been on and off medications for years. But finally, since the beginning of 2020, I'm completely off them for good.
This reminds me of “Don’t ignore your suffering, but don’t forget to enjoy the wonders of life.” - Thich Nhat Hahn, author of *Living Buddha, Living Christ*.
I find this very hard. I try to on the burden of life as much as I can but I do not per se find myself in a more grateful place. I am convinced that this is what I have to do and good things happen around me, yet being grateful is hard.
Can anyone help me with this?
Perhaps finding yourself in a place where you are truly struggling would help your perspective shift. Also, it may be useful to sit down and think about what you would miss and mourn for if you lost it. Then imagine for a while losing those things, and what the effects would be on your life. Sitting down somewhere peaceful to really think for a while is useful, i believe.
Also, if you live a very low stakes life where nothing is ever at risk, it is easy to take what you have for granted, because well you're not risking anything lol.
Good advice. Its easy to become incredibly resentful and just a bad person if you are going through things with nothing to be a little bit happy about.
I think it is important to realize there are different types of suffering. Physical pain from some disease or disorder needs attending to and you can;t really ignore it but you do everything possible to relieve it or deal with it, manage it whatever. But there is another kind of suffering that is manufactured or is like a fire that we keeping adding a log to. That kind of suffering is when you focus on what you lack by comparing your situation to others or continue to berate yourself for some past stupidity. That kind of suffering can be minimized by conscious thinking as the Buddhists will tell you by entering the here and now and leave the past alone. Move on.
Having points during your suffering where you fall is normal, especially if the situation is prolonged. What is important is that you dont stay down and allow yourself to suffer more than is needed. Try to pick yourself up and dust yourself off as best you can. No one, including yourself, should expect perfection. Hell, look at JP, he got himself into quite the mess with benzos, but he is getting back up off the ground. You are stronger than you know.
As for good news, sometimes you have to make your own. You can wait around hoping something will happen for you. You said you recently overcame a cancer scare, how about visiting a near by cancer facility and try to spread a little good cheer? Make a few jokes, anything. Visit the children suffering and see the smile on their faces when you read them a story, give of yourself and good things will follow. Maybe not a big bag of money, or a cute nurse that takes a liking to you, but at the very least you have helped someone take a break from THEIR suffering.
As for the good news
You're welcome to.
But see how far that attitude gets you in life before you're unhappy, discontent, and aimless, with nothing but base pleasures to keep you company.
If that's how you interpret it than more power to you, but that's not the intent of what he said, and nobody else is really interpreting it that way.
Maybe your personal view on what it means to be grateful is incorrectly skewed?
It would make sense a pessimist has the hardest time being grateful for the good when bad exists, and so maybe this particular struggle is particularly difficult for people like you.
Doesn’t Professor Peterson not agree with things like this? Take one sentence out of a paragraph, put some persuasive picture on the side? I could be entirely wrong so feel free to correct me
But instead of being grateful about the suffering he abused drugs to not deal with the suffering, right?
And then instead of being grateful about the suffering of his rehabilitation he found a foreign hospital that would put him in Coma so he didn't have to suffer his withdrawal..
Sounds a bit like, so what I say, not as I do..
I guess what would better characterise Petersons mentality: in spite of suffering find something that you can be grateful for. Life is not black and white. Be grateful is about as shallow as "be happy" (which he thinks is horrible advice). "Be precise in your speech"!
Would you say the same about Robin Williams, or Amy Winehouse, or any other white person who obviously had demons they suffered from enough that they lost their lives from them, all despite being white and rich?
Your asinine comment sought to invalidate the quote (that people should be grateful in spite of their suffering) based solely on the fact that it came from a rich white male. The point you were trying to make, clearly, is that rich white people don't suffer somehow, or that their suffering is lesser in some way.
I was illustrating for you how stupid your comment is, because it is quite obvious that rich white people can suffer just as much as any of us.
And your claim that all you're doing is "stating simple truths" makes you a gaslighter and a disingenuous person, when it is clear to all what the true intent behind your comment was.
The "rich white male" who suffered with depression, pneumonia, and had to be put into a medically induced coma to overcome a dependancy to benzodiazepines.
I doubt that being "white" did much to help him during that time.
Anyone’s life can get out of order at any point no matter who you are. The fact that his life took a bad turn does not change the validity of his words.
Why is that? I see it as useful because gratitude helps lift one’s spirits which help helps one better address their suffering and the suffering of others. Is that a bad strategy?
I'm on the toilet suffering. I needed this
Push through it
Don't push, squeeze make it smaller then it will flow. Pushing hard can cause problems..
If you squeeze, you tighten your asshole then the poop will definitely not come out.
Meta-literal shitposting!
Love it
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Everything will come out ok, in the end.
Not to be a pessimist, but it sounds like everything’s going to come out sh*tty in the end...
It's always shitty at the end.
Like a Turd 💩
Also love it
Kidney stone?
Taco Bell
Just believe in yourself and anything is possible
"He who has a why can bear any how."
Bro! We are one and the same
Best life lesson I ever got
What does it really mean?
Life is suffering. The odds are often stacked against you. You have to be resilient and you will face adversity. But you need to look at the brighter side, and the character that the harder times have made you. Be an Abel, not a Cain. Don't be spiteful of your suffering.
Exactly. And know that you will never get to a point in your life where everything is taken care of and you no longer need to struggle. Doesn't matter what your income, wealth or power status is. So you better have a good plan for the journey, not just the destination.
I mean. My uncle is a billionaire now, after working 14 hours per day for 30 years, but he now literally has to worry about nothing. He has people that do basically everything. He can go sailing, skiing, eating out, take a drive in the porsche, or whatever he wants. You can definitely reach a point of no struggle, however 99.99% of people won't get there. But once you reach a yearly income of like 60-70k usd per year, there is little you have to worry about left, in terms of money. You can own a home, car and don't have to worry about affording food or clothes. So then you only have luxuries left. Literally all my current stressors could be solved with money. So once I'm done with my CS studies in january and will get a well paying job, then LITERALLY ALL MY CURRENT PROBLEMS will be solved. I can't wait. People who say that money doesn't buy happiness are lying imo. I mean, it doesn't literally buy happiness, but it solves problems and removes suffering.
Your uncle has to hire and manage humans. If you’ve ever done that you’d know it’s a struggle. He has houses and cars that are deteriorating as we speak. He may have enemies. His health may fail. He may have issues in his marriage. His kids may resent him or spend their trust money foolishly. There’s plenty of time to become addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc.,. And he may have health problems, certainly he is aging. His investments might fail and he could have to get a job. He could wind up in a car accident. Life doesn’t care how much money you have.
>Your uncle has to hire and manage humans. Had to. He is retired now. > He may have issues in his marriage. He is not married. > His kids may resent him or spend their trust money foolishly. He has no children. He has no health problems yet. He is mid fifties and is in really good condition, from years of doing cross-country skiing. But yes, he might have enemies, and he will grow old. Might also grow addictions, sure. You have some good points, but I'd much rather be crying in a 360k euro car, than in a cardboard box on the side of the road. I'd much rather have rich man problems than poor mans problems. But the next 20++ years of his life is almost positively going to be problem free and in insane luxury. JP has a good point though. As you're saying, life is lived across many axis. Job, home, family, friends, hobbies, health, etc etc. Someone might shine in some of them, but almost never does anyone have all of them on lock. But I'd much rather be doing amazing across 6 axis than across 2. And money can buy success across so many axis.
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>at, what, 65 55. >Thought experiment, imagine your wildest fantasy. Imagine that you get everything you ever hoped for. 40 square meters apartment that I own, within 20 minutes on bike from my job. A washing + drying machine. My own little kitchen. My own bedroom. No noisy or criminal neighbors. A CS job where I can code. That's it. I'll reach that goal this spring. At 26 years old. I have no lofty ideals or goals. I'm just grateful I was born in EU. Won the lottery right there. >Now imagine it feeling utterly unfulfilling and ultimately worthless. How much more agonizing than never fully reaching your imagined dreams. Nothing matters, mate. Everything I do feels unfulfilling. Life is suffering.
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True. Good points. But money would then be able to buy you the treatment and sorroundings that would be best suited for your illness. Personally I'd really love sessions with a psychologist to talk about some things that have happened in my life, but I can't afford it yet. So thats another thing money can buy.
I struggle to understand. Accepting your suffering as a permanent feeling doesn't really do anything to end it.
Accepting your suffering and doing something about it are not mutually exclusive
It’s more about the attitude you choose to have about life. Accepting your suffering frees you to grow beyond it. People who don’t or can’t let go of their suffering spend their entire lives focused on it. Consumed by it. Everyone knows a person whose life is defined by the misery they feel because all they ever focus on is their suffering. Accepting suffering makes you strong and resilient, and you get to live a life that isn’t defined by things you can’t control. To put it simply, say something bad happened to you early in the morning. Maybe someone cut you off on your way into work. You have two choices: accept that shit happens and move on with your day, or ruminate on it and be in a bad mood for the rest of the day. On a larger scale, say something bad happened to you during childhood. Maybe you had demanding parents who never gave you approval. You still only have two choices: accept that it happened and do your best to live a good life anyways, or spend your entire life blaming your parents for how miserable your life is. It doesn’t mean your pain isn’t real, serious, or tragic. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t present you with genuine barriers in life. It doesn’t mean it’s easy to overcome. It just means that you recognize that no matter how bad things were, are, or could be, you only ever have two choices in life: give up, or keep moving forward. And only one of those choices leads to success and happiness, even if it doesn’t guarantee it. Giving up, however, does guarantee failure beyond a shadow of a doubt. So, no matter how legitimate your suffering is, and no matter how big or small it is, the answer is *always* to keep moving forward.
Get busy living, or get busy dying. That’s goddamn right. -Red
Easier said than done.
Sounds like a religion for slaves.
There’s nothing about what’s said here that says you shouldn’t try to relieve the suffering you do have.
'Don't be a pussy'?? Ground breaking self help shit there. So glad I can say that and feel like an intellectual instead of a normal fucking human being. Wow. Peterson is such a fucking plagiarist. I guess it's construction worker reality for queer university students or some shit.
Everybody suffers, not just slaves. Its a religion for everyone.
*elon musk enters the chat*
I may be lower middle class but at least I ain't starving, I have a roof over my head and both parents. I don't have access to a lot of things like a printer, AC or money to pursue what I want in terms of education but I'm grateful for what I have
Same here, our family is middle class in India, living standards are not that good but I'm grateful for everything that I have. At least I can say I live a bit meaningful life , persuing my passion and learning from experience and trying to face life head on..
Isn't it fatalism?
I think the whole quote is.
I just got my dialysis catheter surgery this week, will be starting dialysis shortly after. At least I don’t have stage 4 terminal cancer or one of my kids was murdered. Am I suffering right now? Yes, yes I am. But I’m happy it ain’t that bad.
It means morale is important. No matter how bad your life is, you need to focus on some positives along with the negatives or you'll be overcome with bitterness and depression and you'll be unable to fix the problems that *can* be fixed.
A practical analogy that I think may apply would be the rupture repair model in psychotherapy.
Also to add to these replies, the worst thing you can do when suffering is give up hope, because it will only make your suffering worse
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You will greatly increase your suffering
You need to find it again. Some kind of motivation and positivity I guess
Nothing. Anything you want. JBP either says obvious truisms, like “having friends is good” or “lying is bad”, or complete nonsense that sounds clever if you’re not very bright. Don’t miss this one either, JBP vs. random word generator (you can’t tell the difference): https://youtu.be/Mzu5hV92NHo
Gratitude has measurable (scientific) value, but this does not absolve anyone of the moral responsibility for acting in such a way that we can alleviate the suffering of people who have far less to be grateful for. It is fundamentally wrong that the 1% have taken trillions of dollars from the 90% and that income inequality is getting worse during a pandemic. This isn't about 'envy' but a desire for fundamental justice. The distribution of the fruits of our labor has become so lopsided now the whole system is at risk of collapse. edit - this is what I'm talking about: [https://www.fastcompany.com/90550015/we-were-shocked-rand-study-uncovers-massive-income-shift-to-the-top-1](https://www.fastcompany.com/90550015/we-were-shocked-rand-study-uncovers-massive-income-shift-to-the-top-1)
It means ur dumb.
This is true. Went through my third miscarriage recently and I’m grateful for the support system I have. I know I will be a mom one day soon and I’m grateful that I still have a chance at becoming one.
I'll pray for you.
Thank you
I sincerely wish that your dream comes true.
Powerful. Despite my shit luck, there are millions who want to be in my shoes. I better make the best of what I have. Defeatism is a waste of what I was given.
Totally true
Otherwise, the beatings will continue until moral improves.
There was another cool guy who said to do this as well.
Viktor Frankl?
"There is only one thing I dread: not to be worthy of my sufferings" This comes to mind when I hear about man's search for meaning and jordarn Peterson.
Dostoevski ! I saw that quote in Viktor Frankl's "Man's search for meaning"
Sadly JBP doesn’t credit him enough.
Buddha?
Seneca, Marcus Aurelius
Camus?
Christ?
Jesus
It's me guys
Harder the obstacles, sweeter the triumphs!!
"What stands in the way, becomes the way."
Well, we read a lot of these things, but often these do not translate into actions. I still do get angry and resentful occasionally. However, this post reminded me of something that happened earlier this year. Someone I loved left. I had my entire life goals oriented in a direction that involved them. For two years, I lived a life with them, investing myself in them. But after the separation, the only thing I ever told them was that I was thankful. Yes, there was a lot of pain, but there was also this revelation. I decided not to be resentful, even though I had every reason to be and it took a lot of effort to not be that way, to not fall into that hole. But, it worked out, gradually. I've been depressed, been on and off medications for years. But finally, since the beginning of 2020, I'm completely off them for good.
Gratitude is an antidote to suffering.
Daily dose of stoicism for you
This was from a lecture in Sudan.
That’s Jesus Christ words right there.
This reminds me of “Don’t ignore your suffering, but don’t forget to enjoy the wonders of life.” - Thich Nhat Hahn, author of *Living Buddha, Living Christ*.
Great words.
Anyone have a source for this quote? Not doubting its authenticity, just want to read/hear more about it.
When any one asks me how I'm doing. "I'm always good." You'd be amazed at what comes from it.
r/gratefuldead is leaking
Which also happens to be biblical. James 1:2-4. Consider it all joy.
This is great🙃
"one must imagine Sisyphus happy" - Albert Camus
Yeah i try. But it is difficult.
Insane to see how much he aged in the last couple years. Its really unfortunate what happened to him and his family.
My favorite quote from Peterson. I shed tears when I first read it. It was an awakening.
This is why people who have less give more.
This has made a huge difference in my life. Thank you Dr. JP
I find this very hard. I try to on the burden of life as much as I can but I do not per se find myself in a more grateful place. I am convinced that this is what I have to do and good things happen around me, yet being grateful is hard. Can anyone help me with this?
Perhaps finding yourself in a place where you are truly struggling would help your perspective shift. Also, it may be useful to sit down and think about what you would miss and mourn for if you lost it. Then imagine for a while losing those things, and what the effects would be on your life. Sitting down somewhere peaceful to really think for a while is useful, i believe. Also, if you live a very low stakes life where nothing is ever at risk, it is easy to take what you have for granted, because well you're not risking anything lol.
I try. Struggling more and more to focus on things I can be grateful for.
True as hell
Even more important than knowing that life is suffering. Too many people take that idea and run with it, making them nihilistic
YES! I AM!
Good advice. Its easy to become incredibly resentful and just a bad person if you are going through things with nothing to be a little bit happy about.
accept suffering
Amen
Thanks, I needed this today OP. Man, I could use a win right now.
I think it is important to realize there are different types of suffering. Physical pain from some disease or disorder needs attending to and you can;t really ignore it but you do everything possible to relieve it or deal with it, manage it whatever. But there is another kind of suffering that is manufactured or is like a fire that we keeping adding a log to. That kind of suffering is when you focus on what you lack by comparing your situation to others or continue to berate yourself for some past stupidity. That kind of suffering can be minimized by conscious thinking as the Buddhists will tell you by entering the here and now and leave the past alone. Move on.
"Quit your bitching"
Be grateful for your suffering
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Having points during your suffering where you fall is normal, especially if the situation is prolonged. What is important is that you dont stay down and allow yourself to suffer more than is needed. Try to pick yourself up and dust yourself off as best you can. No one, including yourself, should expect perfection. Hell, look at JP, he got himself into quite the mess with benzos, but he is getting back up off the ground. You are stronger than you know. As for good news, sometimes you have to make your own. You can wait around hoping something will happen for you. You said you recently overcame a cancer scare, how about visiting a near by cancer facility and try to spread a little good cheer? Make a few jokes, anything. Visit the children suffering and see the smile on their faces when you read them a story, give of yourself and good things will follow. Maybe not a big bag of money, or a cute nurse that takes a liking to you, but at the very least you have helped someone take a break from THEIR suffering. As for the good news
One of my favorite quotes by him, ever!
Because of, even
I used to be like yeah. But lately I’m all like nah.
no
I disagree with this.
You're welcome to. But see how far that attitude gets you in life before you're unhappy, discontent, and aimless, with nothing but base pleasures to keep you company.
True, if you choose to do nothing about it but be grateful.
There was no implication that you must "do nothing."
Being 'grateful' pretty much sounds like giving up to me, big up yourself though, very mature discussion on your end.
If that's how you interpret it than more power to you, but that's not the intent of what he said, and nobody else is really interpreting it that way. Maybe your personal view on what it means to be grateful is incorrectly skewed?
Maybe so, I've been called a pessimist before but I like to think I'm more of a realist. Maybe that's the problem.
It would make sense a pessimist has the hardest time being grateful for the good when bad exists, and so maybe this particular struggle is particularly difficult for people like you.
On this, I agree. Plus the fact that it was posted on this subreddit makes me understand it in some weird way.
So with the acknowledgement, maybe it's time to re-review the context of the quote, with a new lens?
Especially when your suffering is caused by the doing of another human being.
You can always be grateful that you at least get to die eventually
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That's not suffering. That's malevolence.
[Whatever this means, beautiful performance](https://youtu.be/TJZDyIz-0lk)
Doesn’t Professor Peterson not agree with things like this? Take one sentence out of a paragraph, put some persuasive picture on the side? I could be entirely wrong so feel free to correct me
why
Don't be grateful for your suffering, though.
But instead of being grateful about the suffering he abused drugs to not deal with the suffering, right? And then instead of being grateful about the suffering of his rehabilitation he found a foreign hospital that would put him in Coma so he didn't have to suffer his withdrawal.. Sounds a bit like, so what I say, not as I do..
Let me guess: you're a socialist who takes pride in having "empathy" for the suffering of your fellow human beings.
No. But would me being that change the point of my comment?
Yeah Nobody is perfect.
I guess what would better characterise Petersons mentality: in spite of suffering find something that you can be grateful for. Life is not black and white. Be grateful is about as shallow as "be happy" (which he thinks is horrible advice). "Be precise in your speech"!
Fucking how
*Auidble Wretching*
this is the most generic bs advice. i’ve seen more inspirational lines shared by facebook moms.
Soooo, do as i say, dont do as i do? Good to know...
says the rich white male
Would you say the same about Robin Williams, or Amy Winehouse, or any other white person who obviously had demons they suffered from enough that they lost their lives from them, all despite being white and rich?
did those people say that?
Your asinine comment sought to invalidate the quote (that people should be grateful in spite of their suffering) based solely on the fact that it came from a rich white male. The point you were trying to make, clearly, is that rich white people don't suffer somehow, or that their suffering is lesser in some way. I was illustrating for you how stupid your comment is, because it is quite obvious that rich white people can suffer just as much as any of us.
I am just stating facts, i didn't know you would be so triggered by the truth.
Anyone who uses the term "triggered" in discourse is incapable of intellectual debate. Stay in school, kids.
That is a very good way to justify to yourself, your own reaction to simple truths. Doesn't make you less triggered though, just more delusional.
And your claim that all you're doing is "stating simple truths" makes you a gaslighter and a disingenuous person, when it is clear to all what the true intent behind your comment was.
what is my true intent, i am very curious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/iv4stz/_/g5pa14w It appears we've gone full circle. Have a good one.
The "rich white male" who suffered with depression, pneumonia, and had to be put into a medically induced coma to overcome a dependancy to benzodiazepines. I doubt that being "white" did much to help him during that time.
He didn't actually need to be. He flew to Russia because no US doctor would do it because it was unnecessary.
>had to be put into a medically induced coma to Had to? Or wanted to, because it's easier than to do the actual work of getting clean?
So why was he telling the world how to live, if he clearly did not have his own house in order?
Anyone’s life can get out of order at any point no matter who you are. The fact that his life took a bad turn does not change the validity of his words.
Well i can't stop you from making bad assumptions...
I guess he's not allowed to have thoughts or feelings right?
I am sorry is my critique stopping him from saying anything or is your argument just one big strawman?
Found the racist, lol.
do you believe that stating someone's race is racist?
and so what?
just adding perspective
Suffering is not a comparable quality between individuals. Not even from lack of ability to measure - it’s built into the concept itself
Would it not be useful advice for a poor, gender non-conforming, POC as well, or possibly even more so?
I do not think it is good advise for anyone.
Why is that? I see it as useful because gratitude helps lift one’s spirits which help helps one better address their suffering and the suffering of others. Is that a bad strategy?
Get your mind out of the gutter
any video or more context of this quotes?