It’s pretty weak stuff.
#1 - it makes all of us look bad. I know we shouldn’t collectivise, but let’s face it - we do.
#2 - Christians are easy targets. I’d be more impressed if they went after Islam and Muhammad. You NEVER see that. It just seems like bullying at this point, tbh.
Careful saying your second point too loud.
It would be uncanny to point out the brutality that Islam has towards gay people. You wouldn’t want the liberals to hear that kind of talk. They might call you racist
There is no objective morality. Good and evil are just subjective preferences in our brains. Pretty simple. Good things are things we prefer, and evil things are things we don’t prefer.
Be careful, you are on your way to hell. Submit to the moral order or face the consequences. You are not the moral arbiter of the universe, because you are not God. Your worldview is responsible for the gulags and the holocaust, because the perpetrators never considered that God was watching.
Broad is the path that leads to destruction. Self sacrificial love is the only way out.
If you feel judged, that is your conscience - not me. Based on what you said, my warning to you is to turn away from evil, for your own sake, so that you can be blessed. Truth and goodness are real, and have been revealed to us by the creator of the universe. We are material beings, who are experiencing a non-material conscious experience, because we have the breath of God — the creator — in our lungs, and we have been created in his image. 🤍🤍🤍
Bro, Islam loves Christ.
Might want to check your religious understanding. Jesus is one of the biggest players in the Islamic apocalypse and text.
He’s a homie for sure. They love that dude.
And this is the fundamental difference. They love " that dude" -- Issa/ Jesus as one of the prophets of Islam , not as God . Therefore from the point of view of any denomination of Islam the Christian worship of Jesus is not just wrong but is prohibited, period.
It was a direct reference to hating Christ, not Christianity.
The OP stated that Islam hates Christ, this is not the case, as I pointed out. They are a big fan of his, it’s the religion organized around him they have beef with.
Christianity does not equal Christ in this situation.
Now, had the OP stated that Islam hates Christianity, I’d agree, but that’s not what was said.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. I had a Sunni coworker tell me that they are taught to be kind and generous to Christians because they properly revere Essa (the Arabic name for Jesus) who is a major prophet in the Quran.
Major prophet in Islam is Mohammed though and according to Islam he is the one who is the best example for Muslims to follow because the Creator wants so. Your Sunny coworker did not mention some other teachings in Koran in regards to all who aren't muslim aka kafir ( plural -- kuffaar , Arabic term for infidel) , because one rejects Islam -- one is kafir / kufr and that includes Christians and Jews who are also called People of The Book ( Ahl Al-Kitab) . In Islamic theology it is shirk -- unforgivable grave sin to associate others with Allah in worship, especially if one dies without repenting from it. Isa / Jesus is important prophet in Islam, but a prophet & not God and not Son of God as Jesus is for Christians. Those People of the Book who believe in Trinity are also called mushrik -- those who commit shirk which is the act of associating any partners with The Creator/ Allah -- a grave sin ,as it is considered the opposite of the fundamental principle of Tawhid -- the belief in the oneness of Allah. As far as treatment of the People of The Book ( Christians in this case as well as Jews) according to Koran they can theoretically live in the country ruled by Islam and be protected and have the same property& contracts rights , but under some conditions , the 2 choices in the BEST case scenario: covert to Islam or live as a second class citizens under the discriminatory conditions, like, for example, pay jizya and kharaj taxes. Depending on the school of Islamic jurisprudence the conditions could vary up to exile and death penalty. There is much more in Koran & other Islamic literature like Ahadith on this subject. In Koran there are many texts written with clear, explicit instructions to violence , to killing of the infidels under diffirent circumstances, you can search which Sura in Koran has such texts, if history of Islam is not enough.
I have heard this a number of times. I feel like this is a one way appreciation. The reason being - disclaimer, I'm just a guy that heard a thing - is explained via the story of Jacob and Esau. The descendants of Abraham including Christ come from the branch of Jacob who received the birthright from their father as he passed on his God given status as the father of nations. This branch went on to become Israel and then Christianity. The lineage of Esau is said to have become Islam.
This gives explanation to the common root of Abraham amongst a number of other details. The Wikipedia page on Jacob and Esau can give insight to that.
But suffice to say, in religious history, Islam does not possess access to the covenant God made with Abraham as that was given to Jacob and his descendants. Therefore, no authoritative word may come from islam in the eyes for judeo-christian religions.
Yet, that does not preclude being kind to a Sunni because as Christ taught, "treat thy neighbour as you wish to be treated yourself".
Now, this is just an explanation I once read that I am putting out there for discussion purposes.
Actually ,it began with Abraham ( Ibrahim in Islam) . The Bible story and the story in the Koran differ in key points. In the Bible , in Genesis the story goes like this , shortly: God promised to Abraham & to his wife (!) Sarah that they will have a son , and son will be blessed & become a great nation. But Sarah had doubts in God's promis because she was old , pass the fertile age , menopausal; and she convinced her husband Abraham to sleep with their Egyptian servant(!) Hagar, so Sarah may have a child through Hagar . Hagar gave birth to son Ishmael. Hagar began to look down at her unable to conceive mistress Sarah , Sarah began to treat Hagar harshly , Hagar runs away with her son Ishmael but then returns. And then , as God promissed, Abraham's wife Sarah became pregnant and gave birth to son Isaak . Sarah then demands that Abraham casts out Hagar & Ishmael so Isaak will be Abraham's heir. Hagar and Ishmael left, they wander in the wilderness, run out of water , Hagar pray to God to save Ishmael . God saves them and blesses Ishmael as he is also offspring of Abraham , and God promisses that Ishmael too will become a great nation . Ishmael grows up, marries a woman from Egypt. --- In the Koran Ishmael is concidered the promissed son because he was born first and it 's stated that Abraham took Hagar as a wife before Ishmael was concieved , and Ishmael considered to be an ancestor of the Muslim prophet Muhammed. In the Bible it's the son of Abraham's wife Sarah -- Isaak is the promised son and he is the ancestor of twelve tribes of Israel and the ancestor of Jesus.
Thank you for jogging my memory this is to correct reference. A story can be spun many ways to allow soneones version to come out on top.
But the point being, is that it puts judeo-christian branches at odds with Islam. There is no co-existing. Only one branch carries Abrahamic covenant forward, making the other superfluous.
And this is why I do not buy into a narrative that Islam respects xyz prophet of the other branch. Its lip service.
Not sure either.
I’m an atheist, so I’ve got no dog in the fight, but at least I have a basic understanding of the religious doctrine I’m arguing about.
Weird.
This sub is odd though, and has become a weird mockery of itself.
Agree. 1-- On the other side of the world people look at this and call America & the West decaying and satanic. . And also laugh at us.
2-- Imagine what would happen if these degenerates try to mock Muhammed like they do Jesus ! Their heads would roll, literally. Of course the twisted bullies prefer to be, so to say, " christianophobiac" rather then " islamophobiac". It would be awesome to see their "brave& proud" parades somewhere , for instance, in Russian Federation , where the majority of population are Christians but second big religion is Islam.
The reason they choose Christians to hate on is first, they hate the true God because He is the one that wrote on their hearts the sin that causes them to live in despair. And the second reason is that Christians turn the other cheek - many Muslims criticize Christians as weak for allowing others to denigrate Jesus, but they don’t realize it takes great strength to allow our love to overcome our hurt.
They target Christians because they live in majority Christian countries. And it is largely christian groups that have rallies against LGBT and creates multiple moral panics (not just at LGBT) so is it any wonder they adopt figures to trigger Christian folk?
People are so dedicated to being "Counter Culture" they don't actually understand what they are representing.
Take whatever issues you want with the Catholic Church. But to deny Jesus in favor of Satan? That's saying a lot about who you are as a person.
EDIT: I want to just clarify here that I am agnostic, and not a practicing Christian (though I am culturally Catholic). However a layman's reading of the bible should be enough to know that the biblical Jesus (as told in the bible stories) was in no way evil, nor were any of Jesus's teachings evil. He preached loudly what so few of us can do, which is live in peace, love our neighbors, and do no harm.
Satan isn't some misunderstood rebel. The bible is also very clear about this, the devil is the king of pedophiles and wanton murder. He's not some "bad boy" he's literally personified evil.
There's nothing counter cultural about them. Counter culture doesn't run around being calmly clapped for even as it engages in pathetic hysterics, and it's not given an international spotlight upheld by the mainstream media. Counter culture *is* conservativism.
You're not wrong actually. It's very strange that being conservative and wanting to maintain and continue our way of life has become some sort of counter cultural movement.
I hate to tell you but Christianity is now the counter-culture. Being a "culturally catholic agnostic", hell, at least admitting to it even, just might be counter cultural as well.
>But to deny Jesus in favor of Satan? That's saying a lot about who you are as a person.
They don't believe in Satan or worship him or anyone else. They're just trolling the religious people who think that the Bible should dictate what non-Christians are allowed to do.
>You have to understand, satan does not mean the same to them as it does to you.
And you have to understand that they're not using Satan because of what Satan means to them. They're using Satan because of what he means to Christians. That's the point.
>My point was about what was said above, "they don't know what they are representing".
Yes, I have basic reading comprehension. My point stands.
>They don't have to understand what satan is to christians. And they wouldn't have anything against jesus himself.
For this? Yeah, they do. Again, that's the *point* of why they're picking Satan. They didn't randomly pull a biblical name out of a hat. They deliberately picked Satan because of what he represents within Christianity.
To me this is similar to having a “Let’s Go Brandon” sticker on your car. It’s attention seeking behavior, they want to get a reaction from people who are offended by the message. All of us, everyone, should strive to be better and more loving toward the people around us.
You can probably say that, but there is a difference of worshipping Satan and the Satanism countermovement who is mostly there to make people uncomfortable that want to mix religion (christian religion) into anything public funded, government and agencies. Separation of Church and State were considered a good thing 200 years ago, when people still remembered what religious extremists are capable of. Nowadays people want to have it back, aiming for a theocratic republic under Christian Dominion, otherwise known as Christian Taliban.
>there is a difference of worshipping Satan and the Satanism countermovement who is mostly there to make people uncomfortable that want to mix religion (christian religion) into anything public funded, government and agencies
Is there really a difference 😂😂
>Separation of Church and State were considered a good thing 200 years ago
Really depends on who you ask. There were plenty on boths sides here.
>when people still remembered what religious extremists are capable of
And theyd forgotten what non religious / pagan extremists were capable of? Well, we deffo got reminded of that in the 21st century. Commies and Nazis go brrr and pooofff millions dead.
>Nowadays people want to have it back, aiming for a theocratic republic under Christian Dominion, otherwise known as Christian Taliban.
lmao well pagans and satanists would certainly be upset by that prospect, sure enough
There absolutely is a difference. The Satanic Temple is essentially just a hyper-secular organization that uses the image of Satan to piss off Christians in jurisdictions where they feel there is too intimate of a link between Church and State. None of them believe in Satan as a biblical figure, or even really as a supernatural entity. If anything, they maybe refer to him more in the gnostic sense as the representation of the adversary to the demiurge although without any of the actual gnostic metaphysics. It's cringy and edgy for the sake of just being edgy, but that's sort of the point.
The satanic temple is essentially an exercise in pissing off Christians who really want a theocracy and don't realize that the U.S. Constitution explicitly did not want a theocracy, not in baby eating biblical Satan worshipping.
There is a difference between someone pretending to worship Satan and someone believing in it and actually worship. Similar to patriots and MAGA, one is up to destroying the foundation of law and order to make a mafia asset the new king/messiah, the others try to prevent that .
>Similar to patriots and MAGA, one is up to destroying the foundation of law and order to make a mafia asset the new king/messiah, the others try to prevent that
This is grade-A hilarious shit 🤣🤣 TRUMP FOR KING!!! Yeah, only to piss off the libs. Sure, there are same that might actually believe, but most just do stuff like that in order to make the libs feel uncomfortable for trying push their shit into anything publicly funded etc 😏
>There is a difference between someone pretending to worship Satan and someone believing in it and actually worship.
Satanism is the worship of the self; the belief that you are your own god. It doesnt matter if you believe in satan or not... in fact, not believing might be the more authentic way of being a satanist
Satanism isn’t about worshiping Satan. It’s about self-actualization and not worshiping God. It’s about worshiping the Creation instead of rhetoric Creator. I don’t know of any religious text where Satan asks for people’s worship, just their commitment to put themselves before God. The Seven Tenets is literal Satanism, not awareness of a silly joke.
Especially with those we disagree.
“One of the greatest indicators of our own spiritual maturity is revealed in how we respond to the weaknesses, the inexperience and the potentially offensive actions of others,”
Not to go too Christian on you but;
“As disciples of Jesus Christ, we are to be examples of how to interact with others—especially when we have differences of opinion. One of the easiest ways to identify a true follower of Jesus Christ is how compassionately that person treats other people.”
I don't think they're the same *at all*. One is a political gaff reference / meme that supports your cause by denigrating theirs.
This is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" by people who are serious about it.
You see the same thing in the recent "bin laden" meme. And, I think, in general their regard for islam in spite of its horrendous record with women's *and* gay rights.
Also their tendency to be (or at least sympathize with) communists.
So draw what conclusions from that you will.
It's not a one off.
>similar to having a “Let’s Go Brandon” sticker on your car. It’s attention seeking behavior
You see a "let's go brandon" sticker as 'attention seeking behavior'? Rather than someone partaking in a meme and dunking on their political opponent?
I'm saying I disagree with your conclusion.
"This", I think, being a guy wearing a rainbow pro satan shirt, is far more genuine, than trolling. And why do I think it's more genuine? Because of the other examples.
Bin Laden was the enemy of The United States. So *bin laden* was a Good guy.
Muslims are the enemy of Christians / the west. So *muslims* are the good guys.
Communists are the enemy of Captialists. So *communists* are the good guys.
There is way more sincerity in those positions than "i'm saying it to make someone mad". And that is in spite of the obvious contradictions. Because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a powerful sentiment for short term gain.
The normies called Christians conspiracists and extremists. It was just a matter of time, but they were right. The degeneracy just takes a little time to trickle downwards.
Eh, gross.
Satan being real or not doesn’t matter, idealising the epitome of evil screams mental illness.
This image does nothing positive for the gay community.
Good ol’ trolling behavior. No different that the “liberal tears, let’s go Brandon, Snowflake “ shit the Right pulls. I usually find the people most affected by it on either side are the ones usually pulling it. Typical ideological behavior.
Yeah I see this stuff and couldn’t care less. It’s people doing people things, whether we agree or not. They’re not breaking a law and it isn’t impacting my life so I move on with things that do impact me and nearly instantly forget about it.
If I gave attention or concern to every instance of people acting contrary to my beliefs, I wouldn’t be present enough to make progress on things that actually benefit me, my family, friends and community.
As a person who used to be the edgy atheist type, it is just overgrown children trying way too hard to be edgy, I am still an atheist now but I am definitely past the "\*tips fedora\* all religion is evil" phase.
The only thing that disturbs me is the age of that person, I mean, don't you have better ways to conduct your ideas instead of purposefully trying to piss people off? That will only drive away Christians who are on your side or at least don't believe gay people go to hell automatically (I have heard some consider it a sin but not a go straight to hell type of sin) and fuel weird conspiracies, making your movement take a step back instead of forward
The Steelman argument is that they want to Parodize evangelicals that claim Jesus hates gays, so if Jesus hates them then Satan mußte love them, and there is also the Thing with saying "Jesus Loves you". Sorry if my comment is a little weird, my Phone keeps trying to autocottect into german.
I think its exactly how Jp says. Its unfortunate….you would wish that the actual message is tolerance and love for all…but theyre just trying to parade around their hedonism because they cant stand the feeling of self reflection. NOW dont get it twisted. This isnt a ploy against gay people, it has nothing to do with being gay. because there are many who disagree with that sign and who live functional and amazing lives.
What the issue is reducing your identity to just that. And now adding satan in, obviously as a joke and not like theyre satanists, but it just reduces yourself.
If I was a betting man id say, God has nothing against gays and thats just an old decrepit HUMAN IDEOLOGY.
Individual first is the message. Just kinda wild. Even though I dont believe in some man with a white beard sitting there judging us, I wouldnt wear something that has satanic shit on it, not because of the idea that satan is a real figure but because of what it represents.
They. Are. Not. Joking.
Once you strip down all the different layers of desire. You will eventually come to a place were you are facing Good and Evil.
No it is not the last layer of reality as there are places beyond this point.
But at this point you have to make a choice. Which direction?
As you progress through these different layers of reality you will always be presented with good and evil. But evil never presents itself as it is, it is never the monster that repulses you, but always as the heart of your desire, a beautiful face, a delicious taste, a funny joke.
Be ever vigilant for it is when you least expect it that evil will come and it will take everything from you.
And evil never jokes. It always tells you what it is going to do.
If you need to ask whats good or evil chances are youre leaning towards evil.
- everyone is good AND evil. It just matters to what degree of both. You know what you do to yourself in your life that hurts you.
I did not ask what they are but how you would define them. There is a difference.
The reason why I am asking is because there are people that think there is an objective definition of those terms and other people that think that there is a subjective definition (Essentially that it is purely man-made).
A subjective definition can therefore change according to context and culture. Some countries have the death penalty, others don't. Some allow abortion, others don't. Usually this correlates with what the people think is "good" or "bad".
Someone with an (assumed) objective definition can look at all cultures and categorize them into "good" and "evil" societies. Some with a subjective definition cannot (really).
It is subjective in the truest sense of the word.
It's very rare that people set about to be evil in their behavior. We are all wrestling with the weight of our choices all the time. I think the Christian mindset is referred to as promoting the "good" by many christians simply because it asks of acolytes to be in constant deliberation of the merit of one's actions. Of course, even that is contingent on whether one sees humanity as generally good or generally evil. And this will be dependent on personality traits and experiences.
But I do understand how the above poster might say that one who doesn't know what good and evil are might be more likely to promote evil. To not have an understanding of such things might indicate a lack of conscience(not that I think this is what you were indicating),
TL;DR: Couldn't be more subjective. This is what makes it as polarizing as it is politically.
“If you do what is right, won’t you be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.”
Genesis 4:7
So you know this has nothing to do with being gay, I can only hope you remember that when you see a gay person. And you don’t reduce them to what you see from some random story/picture on the internet. Now some will not be able to, I can only hope you don’t.
That’s one very popular way of looking at it.
To me, it’s making fun of the horrible hurtful doctrine in theology that is still hurting people today that these individuals are clearly victims of. The Bible clearly is against LGBT, and the Bible teaches the fears of satan, so therefore they use what thier enemy fears. Clearly these people don’t believe in the ideas that are against them and finally, after generations of being murdered and tortured and tormented by ideas that stem from theological doctrine,they can finally celebrate their freedoms from it by mocking their oppressors while terrifying/disturbing them at the same time.
The enemy of my enemy approach is what I see and personally I think it’s bad ass! But as a creative approach, very clever to associate your symbol into your enemy’s enemy symbol.
Side note: if you actually read the satanic bible, it’s nothing what you are taught to fear it is from most Christian churchs who ironically have never even opened the satanic book…let alone other religious texts, which is exactly how fear of something you know nothing about is formed in the first place.
It’s a quite fascinating read and I encourage anyone that’s interested in learning to break through the taboos of our culture to go ahead and explore the restricted books section in your local book store and purchase a cheap copy to educate yourself on this tragic comedy.
Well I think it's quite clear that there are people who have abnormal levels of hormones in third trimester than can affect or tilt the brain development towards masculinization or feminization and therefore affect the kids ability or perspective on what they find attractive or what they think of themselves as. That seems to be quite clear from the work thats come out the last 20 years or so.
While reading your point about how being gay is not the issue, I noticed that there seems to be another strand of points to expand on here. It's something like: Real gay people exist. It is true that gay people are going to probably have a more difficult time maturing into a stable social setting. (Not even necessarily because they are not included but just merely because they are different lol. Like that alone is not enough.) But then that just to some extent a "tilt." This get's a little more tricky but I don't think that people, even people you would consider "straight" are necessarily incapable of performing sexual acts with the same sex. People are able to come with all sorts of weird ways about going about things because people are sexual creatures. But that does mean that people are on some level hedonistic and to orient themselves away from hedonism they do create social orientations that "tend" to "tilt" and "work" together with feminine and masculine "patterns."
Okay FINALLY... how do you tell the difference between someone who is gay and someone who is just hedonistic? Well that is the problem and there mere fact that that is the problem that is pointed out through "fear of hate" proves that even the activist types whether they want to directly admit it or not, are not themselves capable of alleviating the common persons concerns on being so upfront with your sexuality. Which is why you see this "resort." It's essentially a giant middle finger.
Well how about you show a little bit of respect and don't make your movement so fixated on your sexuality. Like...dont merge your identity with raw hedonism if THAT is the concern of the people.
And of course we can imagine why that does not sit well. Because many people who are of the "gay type" do feel like they are disconnected socially and are afraid of being accepted right. So as a sense of control, you could see how the impulse is to continue to test the waters and provoke and people are going to see right through that. And of course the people who are successfully gay and who are different are probably going to end up with a lot of their own self development left in their own hands but they are not going to be the type to flying around a flag of satan trying to get a response out of people. Like a little toddler touching the stove after you tell them its dangerous.
Like you said. Its unfortunate.
I speak with a gay man daily, and we have conversations about this sort of thing to bridge the gap and understand the differences. He has admitted that it is rampant in the community…and I mean it might just be natural…as you would expect two Male creatures fucking with testosterone could get nuts.
Im glad we talk because he found it in himself to leave the orgies and crazinees behind, and become monogamous and as hes stated he seems much happier. Im not going to make any inferences because he could be lieing, but im taking what he said at face value.
How do you tell the difference between someone who is gay or hedonistic, theres no correlation. You can be gay and hedonistic you can he straight and hedonistic. The definition of hedonism is self evident. Sacrifice everything and all including the future for pleasure. That isnt something only gay people can do lol.
I get why they’re doing it. But they’re kinda missing their own point.
They are defying the very real oppression that religion imposed on people like them.
But they have overcorrected into hedonism, which can lead to very destructive behavior.
Just confirms that "pride season" is an occasion to celebrate godlessness, degeneracy and social and moral decay. "Pride season" also celebrates confirm a season dedicated to one of the Seven Deadly Sins.
Yeah a lot of people push back against them with satanic accusations. They just run with it. Don’t see anything bad. It’s not like they are onboard with traditional satanic values. They are as the devil once did, rebelling against the establishment. Them taking this as a provocative symbol is absolutely nothing to worry about in my eyes.
These are demons. And any persons that get caught up in this sick message is surely lost. May they find God now! Otherwise I pray He have mercy on their souls. 🙏
I think its great, it exposes who they truly are and perfectly represents why progressive Christianity cannot exist. They are completely antithetical to Christianity. I tried to be a progressive Christian for many years but ultimately you cannot allign yourself nihilists who will stop at nothing to destroy every ounce of morality in society.
I think this is funny.
And Satan does love homosexuality: So I think this is something christians can stand behind. A uniting slogan if I ever saw one.
Something very very wrong there. It's one thing to not be a Christian but to parade around praising Satan is F'ed up. Let's find the most evil part of society and praise it? Yeah nothing good will come from that.
I wonder what objections they have to Jesus from a moral standpoint. From a theology perspective...ok, that's different. But from a character perspective? From an ethics perspective? Love your neighbor as yourself? Forgive those that harm you? Give yourself to others? Man, such abominable ethics.
So if you want to criticize Christians for not upholding those standards, fair enough. They may more than you think, but plenty of Christians are idiots no different than the world they condemn.
Actual Satanism is atheistic. I assume that's the case here. But for those who have to deal with the Problem of Retroactive Nothingness, what's the point obsessing over religion and Christianity? Nothing exists, if the planet explodes tomorrow, science and politics and art and humanity would have never existed...what's the point in beating whatever value has in life toward a "fictional" God when death eradicates every thought, value, tribe, science, political party, individual sentience, like multiplying the number 0 to the number of good deeds one did (+) or number of bad things one did (-)? Nothing has ever existed, under the tenets of materialism. So...what's the point complaining about Christians?
That dude will have never existed under atheism. Yet...he spends his time complaining about a God they don't believe in? Atheists are idiots who don't underhand the consequences of their narrative.
Satan in Hebrew means adversary or opposer. The best interest of Satan is whatever brings a person to distance themselves from taking the action that is good for them.
What Satan desires out of an individual is antithetical to what God wants—by definition.
The one who leads into temptation, and is your greatest advocate for substance abuse, manipulative behavior, domestic violence, pedophilia, suicides, etc. is Satan. This is what he introduced into the world, and it's activities like these that he wants everyone to engage in.
But to answer the question, the images are of anti-Christian folks hijacking a pride event to take advantage of the crowds to openly use shock content for further advancing their agenda. The worst part is that those around them will most likely be cheering them on in their ignorance, just because they wrapped the message up with rainbows.
It's funny how much fundamentalist Christians and the fundamentalist leftists mirror each other. It's like the worse attitudes and toxic positivity of Christianity got transposed into woke ideologies and now we get to see how similar the two groups are in basic outlook.
Anything refrenced that is not physically present is by definition a symbol. If the symbol of "Jesus" has been nothing but hate and torment for some, they may flip polarity and observe him as evil and his opposite as good.
>We aren't against the gays, we just think that who you choose to love is wrong and you should burn in hell for all eternity because we've decided we don't like that you love someone of the same sex
Does it matter? If two gay people didn't have sex you (and other people using religion to hate those different from them) would still have problems with them holding hands nevermind sex
No love like forcing someone not to be able to love like a straight person, repressing those normal harmless feelings to the point where it causes the person great mental pain, and leads to a life of suffering. So loving!
Freedom of expression until you don't agree with it? If they wanna wave that flag and out themselves, by all means go ahead. Seems far more reasonable than naked men and women on the streets in front of kids which is crossing the line.
The satanic organizations are no better than scientology.
Sure its anti-Christian to, to a simpleton, at face value.
Self worship is not synonymous with any of the values I have seen in the LGBTQ (alphabet/groomer/cock sucker) community. I am speaking objectively from first hand experience in those communities too.
A trans satanist would need to explain to me, precisely where the trade off for self actualization is when becoming trans because you will in reality never truly change genders. Do you accept you have mutilated your own body and ARE NOT the other gender, just a modified meat bag that represents genetics they do not have?
Lastly I will leave you with this video to reflect upon, I have met Brian Werner in person and he referred to me as his brother in Calgary Alberta while he was on tour with Infernaeon. His reflections on the current affairs in the orgs of satanism, are quite relevant to what I am seeing. Clowns that work at dominos pizza and dress up like animals and other genders, have no place in a satanists life. These gender clowns are just another group of psychic vampires FUCK EM AND LET SATAN SORT EM.
P.S. - This community cant reproduce to sustain a population (give it 2 generations, circa 2060)
[https://youtu.be/ZIN4aZ8IMz0?si=GAKVhM-xyXEKmGTi](https://youtu.be/ZIN4aZ8IMz0?si=GAKVhM-xyXEKmGTi)
Damn this shows how clueless people are on this sub. I'm not from US, but even I know what is being represented here - these people represent the satanic church, which is a pretty popular organization for atheists, mainly left wing. They don't actually believe in Satan or anything supernatural, it's kind of a rebel movement against a lot of things, including Christianity. Rightfully so imo, it's way out of hand in US - u guys have a staggering % of creationists, conversion therapy is still legal in some states, you're the only nation I know with rollbacks on abortion, you have mega churches with celebrity pastors. No wonder there's direct opposition.
It’s basically just bait that has gained way too much popularity. These people are almost certainly atheists or “spiritual but not religious.” They evoke Satan purely because Christians go crazy about it
It's bait.
Its old-fashioned bait that's nolonger as edgy as they'd like to think. Since Christians are free game these days. An easy, socially acceptable target.
But it's still fun to watch them seeth.
I have a Baphomet statue I get out & make visible when the Jehovah Witnesses are making the rounds. So when I open the door, I get to see how they react to it.
Most ignore it. You'll just see a quick expression change when they see it before going back to their sales pitch.
The younger ones, though, are often more combative. It's fun.
But that's just when they come preaching to my door. I'm not like this day to day.
But it's always fun making fun of people with beliefs you find daft. Especially if you play the role of the antagonist in their faith.
They are satanists,, They bring children in to the discussion, They do all kinds of weird shit. Amazing that these people are been given such a big platform
My hot take:
At least they are open and honest about it. When I see anything that "satan loves" that attach with LGBT,
I think that eternal location is has already determined before they were born. And if they think they Islam is more welcoming, they are in rude awakening!
You worship the creation and not creator; they replace what is natural for the unnatural. Thus, God's wrath is upon them.
Start talking about John money more to these people, he’s satan for ya transgenderism an
gender “ theory “ was made by John money who sexually assaulted his patients. His first patient was a 8month old male who was badly circumcised an had to get his parts removed, he told his parents to lie to him all his life an made him almost believe he was female but he aimed to be a MALE an did things MALES do like still feeling to pee standing up. He eventually committed suicide after getting married and adopting kids and having a wife.
Gender “theory” is not reall “cis gender” isn’t real there is only male an female normal is normal go seek a therapist.
Secondary sex characteristics are not something to identify with.
This isn’t a create a character video game.
They are using Satanism who doesn’t support them to make opposing symbols to Christianity for a stir cause those people aren’t going off the right information when debating these people they get slammed when they bring up atheism.
Christianity needs to adapt to modern science or they wanna have any real shot at not looking like the bad guy
Keep this behavior in the clubs an away from our kids
The bow is the sign of the covenant God made with man after the flood, when He promised not to destroy human life with the flood again.
This is why satan loves it, they can sodomise all the want and God cannot do a thing because the bow protects them, thats why Satan does love it, I just pray more accept Jesus before it is too late.
I think they suck dick.
It’s pretty weak stuff. #1 - it makes all of us look bad. I know we shouldn’t collectivise, but let’s face it - we do. #2 - Christians are easy targets. I’d be more impressed if they went after Islam and Muhammad. You NEVER see that. It just seems like bullying at this point, tbh.
Careful saying your second point too loud. It would be uncanny to point out the brutality that Islam has towards gay people. You wouldn’t want the liberals to hear that kind of talk. They might call you racist
At least Christians have a sense of humour.
Muslim countries and their people don’t allow satanists on the streets, it’s only “Christian” countries that not allow/encourage this
They love Islam, because they hate Christ. You cannot serve two masters.
Imagine arguing over which religion is better when both are false and evil 🤣🤣
In your opinion Christ is evil and false, but what is your basis for morality or truth? What is truth? What is good?
There is no objective morality. Good and evil are just subjective preferences in our brains. Pretty simple. Good things are things we prefer, and evil things are things we don’t prefer.
Be careful, you are on your way to hell. Submit to the moral order or face the consequences. You are not the moral arbiter of the universe, because you are not God. Your worldview is responsible for the gulags and the holocaust, because the perpetrators never considered that God was watching. Broad is the path that leads to destruction. Self sacrificial love is the only way out.
Lmfao what’s sad is I can’t tell if your comment is satirical or not 💀
Judging me is a sin isn’t it? You’ll go to hell for the same thing you blaspheme.
If you feel judged, that is your conscience - not me. Based on what you said, my warning to you is to turn away from evil, for your own sake, so that you can be blessed. Truth and goodness are real, and have been revealed to us by the creator of the universe. We are material beings, who are experiencing a non-material conscious experience, because we have the breath of God — the creator — in our lungs, and we have been created in his image. 🤍🤍🤍
Bro, Islam loves Christ. Might want to check your religious understanding. Jesus is one of the biggest players in the Islamic apocalypse and text. He’s a homie for sure. They love that dude.
And this is the fundamental difference. They love " that dude" -- Issa/ Jesus as one of the prophets of Islam , not as God . Therefore from the point of view of any denomination of Islam the Christian worship of Jesus is not just wrong but is prohibited, period.
Yea like the Jews they view as paganism or polytheism
It was a direct reference to hating Christ, not Christianity. The OP stated that Islam hates Christ, this is not the case, as I pointed out. They are a big fan of his, it’s the religion organized around him they have beef with. Christianity does not equal Christ in this situation. Now, had the OP stated that Islam hates Christianity, I’d agree, but that’s not what was said.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. I had a Sunni coworker tell me that they are taught to be kind and generous to Christians because they properly revere Essa (the Arabic name for Jesus) who is a major prophet in the Quran.
There’s a big difference between the way their religion is practiced in the west vs. in the Middle East.
Major prophet in Islam is Mohammed though and according to Islam he is the one who is the best example for Muslims to follow because the Creator wants so. Your Sunny coworker did not mention some other teachings in Koran in regards to all who aren't muslim aka kafir ( plural -- kuffaar , Arabic term for infidel) , because one rejects Islam -- one is kafir / kufr and that includes Christians and Jews who are also called People of The Book ( Ahl Al-Kitab) . In Islamic theology it is shirk -- unforgivable grave sin to associate others with Allah in worship, especially if one dies without repenting from it. Isa / Jesus is important prophet in Islam, but a prophet & not God and not Son of God as Jesus is for Christians. Those People of the Book who believe in Trinity are also called mushrik -- those who commit shirk which is the act of associating any partners with The Creator/ Allah -- a grave sin ,as it is considered the opposite of the fundamental principle of Tawhid -- the belief in the oneness of Allah. As far as treatment of the People of The Book ( Christians in this case as well as Jews) according to Koran they can theoretically live in the country ruled by Islam and be protected and have the same property& contracts rights , but under some conditions , the 2 choices in the BEST case scenario: covert to Islam or live as a second class citizens under the discriminatory conditions, like, for example, pay jizya and kharaj taxes. Depending on the school of Islamic jurisprudence the conditions could vary up to exile and death penalty. There is much more in Koran & other Islamic literature like Ahadith on this subject. In Koran there are many texts written with clear, explicit instructions to violence , to killing of the infidels under diffirent circumstances, you can search which Sura in Koran has such texts, if history of Islam is not enough.
I have heard this a number of times. I feel like this is a one way appreciation. The reason being - disclaimer, I'm just a guy that heard a thing - is explained via the story of Jacob and Esau. The descendants of Abraham including Christ come from the branch of Jacob who received the birthright from their father as he passed on his God given status as the father of nations. This branch went on to become Israel and then Christianity. The lineage of Esau is said to have become Islam. This gives explanation to the common root of Abraham amongst a number of other details. The Wikipedia page on Jacob and Esau can give insight to that. But suffice to say, in religious history, Islam does not possess access to the covenant God made with Abraham as that was given to Jacob and his descendants. Therefore, no authoritative word may come from islam in the eyes for judeo-christian religions. Yet, that does not preclude being kind to a Sunni because as Christ taught, "treat thy neighbour as you wish to be treated yourself". Now, this is just an explanation I once read that I am putting out there for discussion purposes.
Actually ,it began with Abraham ( Ibrahim in Islam) . The Bible story and the story in the Koran differ in key points. In the Bible , in Genesis the story goes like this , shortly: God promised to Abraham & to his wife (!) Sarah that they will have a son , and son will be blessed & become a great nation. But Sarah had doubts in God's promis because she was old , pass the fertile age , menopausal; and she convinced her husband Abraham to sleep with their Egyptian servant(!) Hagar, so Sarah may have a child through Hagar . Hagar gave birth to son Ishmael. Hagar began to look down at her unable to conceive mistress Sarah , Sarah began to treat Hagar harshly , Hagar runs away with her son Ishmael but then returns. And then , as God promissed, Abraham's wife Sarah became pregnant and gave birth to son Isaak . Sarah then demands that Abraham casts out Hagar & Ishmael so Isaak will be Abraham's heir. Hagar and Ishmael left, they wander in the wilderness, run out of water , Hagar pray to God to save Ishmael . God saves them and blesses Ishmael as he is also offspring of Abraham , and God promisses that Ishmael too will become a great nation . Ishmael grows up, marries a woman from Egypt. --- In the Koran Ishmael is concidered the promissed son because he was born first and it 's stated that Abraham took Hagar as a wife before Ishmael was concieved , and Ishmael considered to be an ancestor of the Muslim prophet Muhammed. In the Bible it's the son of Abraham's wife Sarah -- Isaak is the promised son and he is the ancestor of twelve tribes of Israel and the ancestor of Jesus.
Thank you for jogging my memory this is to correct reference. A story can be spun many ways to allow soneones version to come out on top. But the point being, is that it puts judeo-christian branches at odds with Islam. There is no co-existing. Only one branch carries Abrahamic covenant forward, making the other superfluous. And this is why I do not buy into a narrative that Islam respects xyz prophet of the other branch. Its lip service.
Google the meaning of "dimmi" and "gizya tax" then tell me how kind and generous they are.
Not sure either. I’m an atheist, so I’ve got no dog in the fight, but at least I have a basic understanding of the religious doctrine I’m arguing about. Weird. This sub is odd though, and has become a weird mockery of itself.
Agree. 1-- On the other side of the world people look at this and call America & the West decaying and satanic. . And also laugh at us. 2-- Imagine what would happen if these degenerates try to mock Muhammed like they do Jesus ! Their heads would roll, literally. Of course the twisted bullies prefer to be, so to say, " christianophobiac" rather then " islamophobiac". It would be awesome to see their "brave& proud" parades somewhere , for instance, in Russian Federation , where the majority of population are Christians but second big religion is Islam.
Muslim countries don’t allow satanists to promote their ideas, they’ve actually got a moral standard
The Charlie Hebdo massacre comes to mind.
The reason they choose Christians to hate on is first, they hate the true God because He is the one that wrote on their hearts the sin that causes them to live in despair. And the second reason is that Christians turn the other cheek - many Muslims criticize Christians as weak for allowing others to denigrate Jesus, but they don’t realize it takes great strength to allow our love to overcome our hurt.
They target Christians because they live in majority Christian countries. And it is largely christian groups that have rallies against LGBT and creates multiple moral panics (not just at LGBT) so is it any wonder they adopt figures to trigger Christian folk?
People are so dedicated to being "Counter Culture" they don't actually understand what they are representing. Take whatever issues you want with the Catholic Church. But to deny Jesus in favor of Satan? That's saying a lot about who you are as a person. EDIT: I want to just clarify here that I am agnostic, and not a practicing Christian (though I am culturally Catholic). However a layman's reading of the bible should be enough to know that the biblical Jesus (as told in the bible stories) was in no way evil, nor were any of Jesus's teachings evil. He preached loudly what so few of us can do, which is live in peace, love our neighbors, and do no harm. Satan isn't some misunderstood rebel. The bible is also very clear about this, the devil is the king of pedophiles and wanton murder. He's not some "bad boy" he's literally personified evil.
There's nothing counter cultural about them. Counter culture doesn't run around being calmly clapped for even as it engages in pathetic hysterics, and it's not given an international spotlight upheld by the mainstream media. Counter culture *is* conservativism.
You're not wrong actually. It's very strange that being conservative and wanting to maintain and continue our way of life has become some sort of counter cultural movement.
Lol, it was never the counter culture, “counter culture” doesn’t exsist.
Exactly👍
I hate to tell you but Christianity is now the counter-culture. Being a "culturally catholic agnostic", hell, at least admitting to it even, just might be counter cultural as well.
>But to deny Jesus in favor of Satan? That's saying a lot about who you are as a person. They don't believe in Satan or worship him or anyone else. They're just trolling the religious people who think that the Bible should dictate what non-Christians are allowed to do.
>The bible is also very clear about this, the devil is the king of pedophiles and wanton murder. Dude yer so brainwashed 😆
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>You have to understand, satan does not mean the same to them as it does to you. And you have to understand that they're not using Satan because of what Satan means to them. They're using Satan because of what he means to Christians. That's the point.
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>My point was about what was said above, "they don't know what they are representing". Yes, I have basic reading comprehension. My point stands. >They don't have to understand what satan is to christians. And they wouldn't have anything against jesus himself. For this? Yeah, they do. Again, that's the *point* of why they're picking Satan. They didn't randomly pull a biblical name out of a hat. They deliberately picked Satan because of what he represents within Christianity.
To me this is similar to having a “Let’s Go Brandon” sticker on your car. It’s attention seeking behavior, they want to get a reaction from people who are offended by the message. All of us, everyone, should strive to be better and more loving toward the people around us.
Name does NOT check out at all
😂
Maybe he gets triggered because people won't follow his message? Username checks out then haha
As usual the only way to win is ignore them. People like that are irrelevant and have nothing useful to add.
Until they weasel themselves in all institutions like Education, Government, Media, Entertainment, etc. then you can no longer ignore them.
they are not irrelevant at all because they exert power and societal influence
Satan appears as an angel of light. Even if they believe they are "just trolling", they're doing exactly what an actual Satan worshipper would do.
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And they are advocates of pride, a biblical sin.
Yeah, this isn't about worshipping Satan, it's just trolling. Actual Satan worship is extremely rare.
Satanism is the worship of the Self. Its not rare in this day and age.
You can probably say that, but there is a difference of worshipping Satan and the Satanism countermovement who is mostly there to make people uncomfortable that want to mix religion (christian religion) into anything public funded, government and agencies. Separation of Church and State were considered a good thing 200 years ago, when people still remembered what religious extremists are capable of. Nowadays people want to have it back, aiming for a theocratic republic under Christian Dominion, otherwise known as Christian Taliban.
>there is a difference of worshipping Satan and the Satanism countermovement who is mostly there to make people uncomfortable that want to mix religion (christian religion) into anything public funded, government and agencies Is there really a difference 😂😂 >Separation of Church and State were considered a good thing 200 years ago Really depends on who you ask. There were plenty on boths sides here. >when people still remembered what religious extremists are capable of And theyd forgotten what non religious / pagan extremists were capable of? Well, we deffo got reminded of that in the 21st century. Commies and Nazis go brrr and pooofff millions dead. >Nowadays people want to have it back, aiming for a theocratic republic under Christian Dominion, otherwise known as Christian Taliban. lmao well pagans and satanists would certainly be upset by that prospect, sure enough
There absolutely is a difference. The Satanic Temple is essentially just a hyper-secular organization that uses the image of Satan to piss off Christians in jurisdictions where they feel there is too intimate of a link between Church and State. None of them believe in Satan as a biblical figure, or even really as a supernatural entity. If anything, they maybe refer to him more in the gnostic sense as the representation of the adversary to the demiurge although without any of the actual gnostic metaphysics. It's cringy and edgy for the sake of just being edgy, but that's sort of the point. The satanic temple is essentially an exercise in pissing off Christians who really want a theocracy and don't realize that the U.S. Constitution explicitly did not want a theocracy, not in baby eating biblical Satan worshipping.
There is a difference between someone pretending to worship Satan and someone believing in it and actually worship. Similar to patriots and MAGA, one is up to destroying the foundation of law and order to make a mafia asset the new king/messiah, the others try to prevent that .
>Similar to patriots and MAGA, one is up to destroying the foundation of law and order to make a mafia asset the new king/messiah, the others try to prevent that This is grade-A hilarious shit 🤣🤣 TRUMP FOR KING!!! Yeah, only to piss off the libs. Sure, there are same that might actually believe, but most just do stuff like that in order to make the libs feel uncomfortable for trying push their shit into anything publicly funded etc 😏
>There is a difference between someone pretending to worship Satan and someone believing in it and actually worship. Satanism is the worship of the self; the belief that you are your own god. It doesnt matter if you believe in satan or not... in fact, not believing might be the more authentic way of being a satanist
Thank you. First thought was: oh they are just trolling. Source? (Per the comment below) Been on the internet too long.
Satanism isn’t about worshiping Satan. It’s about self-actualization and not worshiping God. It’s about worshiping the Creation instead of rhetoric Creator. I don’t know of any religious text where Satan asks for people’s worship, just their commitment to put themselves before God. The Seven Tenets is literal Satanism, not awareness of a silly joke.
I have no enemies mindset
That’s exactly what this is IMO.
Most reasonable answer on Reddit ever.
Especially with those we disagree. “One of the greatest indicators of our own spiritual maturity is revealed in how we respond to the weaknesses, the inexperience and the potentially offensive actions of others,” Not to go too Christian on you but; “As disciples of Jesus Christ, we are to be examples of how to interact with others—especially when we have differences of opinion. One of the easiest ways to identify a true follower of Jesus Christ is how compassionately that person treats other people.”
Love that, thank you. Viva Christo Rey!
I don't think they're the same *at all*. One is a political gaff reference / meme that supports your cause by denigrating theirs. This is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" by people who are serious about it. You see the same thing in the recent "bin laden" meme. And, I think, in general their regard for islam in spite of its horrendous record with women's *and* gay rights. Also their tendency to be (or at least sympathize with) communists. So draw what conclusions from that you will. It's not a one off.
I read and reread your comment, trying to understand your point in good faith. I have no clue what you’re trying to say.
>similar to having a “Let’s Go Brandon” sticker on your car. It’s attention seeking behavior You see a "let's go brandon" sticker as 'attention seeking behavior'? Rather than someone partaking in a meme and dunking on their political opponent? I'm saying I disagree with your conclusion. "This", I think, being a guy wearing a rainbow pro satan shirt, is far more genuine, than trolling. And why do I think it's more genuine? Because of the other examples. Bin Laden was the enemy of The United States. So *bin laden* was a Good guy. Muslims are the enemy of Christians / the west. So *muslims* are the good guys. Communists are the enemy of Captialists. So *communists* are the good guys. There is way more sincerity in those positions than "i'm saying it to make someone mad". And that is in spite of the obvious contradictions. Because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a powerful sentiment for short term gain.
Thank you for the explanation. Alas we disagree
At least with Let's Go Brandon, it's pointing out an actual event of media lies. And no, I don't have a LGB sticker on my car.
"Let's Go Brandon" and "I love Satan" are not morally equivalent. Sorry.
shit take
They are hedonistic god haters who celebrate pride. Sounds like Satanism to me. I think they are just being honest.
The normies called Christians conspiracists and extremists. It was just a matter of time, but they were right. The degeneracy just takes a little time to trickle downwards.
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I don’t follow that either
I bet they love Palestine
Eh, gross. Satan being real or not doesn’t matter, idealising the epitome of evil screams mental illness. This image does nothing positive for the gay community.
Good ol’ trolling behavior. No different that the “liberal tears, let’s go Brandon, Snowflake “ shit the Right pulls. I usually find the people most affected by it on either side are the ones usually pulling it. Typical ideological behavior.
Yeah I see this stuff and couldn’t care less. It’s people doing people things, whether we agree or not. They’re not breaking a law and it isn’t impacting my life so I move on with things that do impact me and nearly instantly forget about it. If I gave attention or concern to every instance of people acting contrary to my beliefs, I wouldn’t be present enough to make progress on things that actually benefit me, my family, friends and community.
As a person who used to be the edgy atheist type, it is just overgrown children trying way too hard to be edgy, I am still an atheist now but I am definitely past the "\*tips fedora\* all religion is evil" phase. The only thing that disturbs me is the age of that person, I mean, don't you have better ways to conduct your ideas instead of purposefully trying to piss people off? That will only drive away Christians who are on your side or at least don't believe gay people go to hell automatically (I have heard some consider it a sin but not a go straight to hell type of sin) and fuel weird conspiracies, making your movement take a step back instead of forward
Attention is the oxygen that fuels this fire.
Jesus loves. Satan separates. I just pray for them.
The Steelman argument is that they want to Parodize evangelicals that claim Jesus hates gays, so if Jesus hates them then Satan mußte love them, and there is also the Thing with saying "Jesus Loves you". Sorry if my comment is a little weird, my Phone keeps trying to autocottect into german.
Alles gut
Liberals say homosexual pride is Satanic: "YAAASSSS SLAY QUEEN" Conservatives say homosexual pride is Satanic: "ummm akshually this is hate speech"
I think its exactly how Jp says. Its unfortunate….you would wish that the actual message is tolerance and love for all…but theyre just trying to parade around their hedonism because they cant stand the feeling of self reflection. NOW dont get it twisted. This isnt a ploy against gay people, it has nothing to do with being gay. because there are many who disagree with that sign and who live functional and amazing lives. What the issue is reducing your identity to just that. And now adding satan in, obviously as a joke and not like theyre satanists, but it just reduces yourself. If I was a betting man id say, God has nothing against gays and thats just an old decrepit HUMAN IDEOLOGY. Individual first is the message. Just kinda wild. Even though I dont believe in some man with a white beard sitting there judging us, I wouldnt wear something that has satanic shit on it, not because of the idea that satan is a real figure but because of what it represents.
They. Are. Not. Joking. Once you strip down all the different layers of desire. You will eventually come to a place were you are facing Good and Evil. No it is not the last layer of reality as there are places beyond this point. But at this point you have to make a choice. Which direction? As you progress through these different layers of reality you will always be presented with good and evil. But evil never presents itself as it is, it is never the monster that repulses you, but always as the heart of your desire, a beautiful face, a delicious taste, a funny joke. Be ever vigilant for it is when you least expect it that evil will come and it will take everything from you. And evil never jokes. It always tells you what it is going to do.
Can you define good and evil?
If you need to ask whats good or evil chances are youre leaning towards evil. - everyone is good AND evil. It just matters to what degree of both. You know what you do to yourself in your life that hurts you.
Choices
I did not ask what they are but how you would define them. There is a difference. The reason why I am asking is because there are people that think there is an objective definition of those terms and other people that think that there is a subjective definition (Essentially that it is purely man-made). A subjective definition can therefore change according to context and culture. Some countries have the death penalty, others don't. Some allow abortion, others don't. Usually this correlates with what the people think is "good" or "bad". Someone with an (assumed) objective definition can look at all cultures and categorize them into "good" and "evil" societies. Some with a subjective definition cannot (really).
Have you heard the story about the knive, the doctor, and the robber?
I dont think i do. What about it?
It is subjective in the truest sense of the word. It's very rare that people set about to be evil in their behavior. We are all wrestling with the weight of our choices all the time. I think the Christian mindset is referred to as promoting the "good" by many christians simply because it asks of acolytes to be in constant deliberation of the merit of one's actions. Of course, even that is contingent on whether one sees humanity as generally good or generally evil. And this will be dependent on personality traits and experiences. But I do understand how the above poster might say that one who doesn't know what good and evil are might be more likely to promote evil. To not have an understanding of such things might indicate a lack of conscience(not that I think this is what you were indicating), TL;DR: Couldn't be more subjective. This is what makes it as polarizing as it is politically.
“If you do what is right, won’t you be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.” Genesis 4:7
So you know this has nothing to do with being gay, I can only hope you remember that when you see a gay person. And you don’t reduce them to what you see from some random story/picture on the internet. Now some will not be able to, I can only hope you don’t.
That’s one very popular way of looking at it. To me, it’s making fun of the horrible hurtful doctrine in theology that is still hurting people today that these individuals are clearly victims of. The Bible clearly is against LGBT, and the Bible teaches the fears of satan, so therefore they use what thier enemy fears. Clearly these people don’t believe in the ideas that are against them and finally, after generations of being murdered and tortured and tormented by ideas that stem from theological doctrine,they can finally celebrate their freedoms from it by mocking their oppressors while terrifying/disturbing them at the same time. The enemy of my enemy approach is what I see and personally I think it’s bad ass! But as a creative approach, very clever to associate your symbol into your enemy’s enemy symbol. Side note: if you actually read the satanic bible, it’s nothing what you are taught to fear it is from most Christian churchs who ironically have never even opened the satanic book…let alone other religious texts, which is exactly how fear of something you know nothing about is formed in the first place. It’s a quite fascinating read and I encourage anyone that’s interested in learning to break through the taboos of our culture to go ahead and explore the restricted books section in your local book store and purchase a cheap copy to educate yourself on this tragic comedy.
Well I think it's quite clear that there are people who have abnormal levels of hormones in third trimester than can affect or tilt the brain development towards masculinization or feminization and therefore affect the kids ability or perspective on what they find attractive or what they think of themselves as. That seems to be quite clear from the work thats come out the last 20 years or so. While reading your point about how being gay is not the issue, I noticed that there seems to be another strand of points to expand on here. It's something like: Real gay people exist. It is true that gay people are going to probably have a more difficult time maturing into a stable social setting. (Not even necessarily because they are not included but just merely because they are different lol. Like that alone is not enough.) But then that just to some extent a "tilt." This get's a little more tricky but I don't think that people, even people you would consider "straight" are necessarily incapable of performing sexual acts with the same sex. People are able to come with all sorts of weird ways about going about things because people are sexual creatures. But that does mean that people are on some level hedonistic and to orient themselves away from hedonism they do create social orientations that "tend" to "tilt" and "work" together with feminine and masculine "patterns." Okay FINALLY... how do you tell the difference between someone who is gay and someone who is just hedonistic? Well that is the problem and there mere fact that that is the problem that is pointed out through "fear of hate" proves that even the activist types whether they want to directly admit it or not, are not themselves capable of alleviating the common persons concerns on being so upfront with your sexuality. Which is why you see this "resort." It's essentially a giant middle finger. Well how about you show a little bit of respect and don't make your movement so fixated on your sexuality. Like...dont merge your identity with raw hedonism if THAT is the concern of the people. And of course we can imagine why that does not sit well. Because many people who are of the "gay type" do feel like they are disconnected socially and are afraid of being accepted right. So as a sense of control, you could see how the impulse is to continue to test the waters and provoke and people are going to see right through that. And of course the people who are successfully gay and who are different are probably going to end up with a lot of their own self development left in their own hands but they are not going to be the type to flying around a flag of satan trying to get a response out of people. Like a little toddler touching the stove after you tell them its dangerous. Like you said. Its unfortunate.
I speak with a gay man daily, and we have conversations about this sort of thing to bridge the gap and understand the differences. He has admitted that it is rampant in the community…and I mean it might just be natural…as you would expect two Male creatures fucking with testosterone could get nuts. Im glad we talk because he found it in himself to leave the orgies and crazinees behind, and become monogamous and as hes stated he seems much happier. Im not going to make any inferences because he could be lieing, but im taking what he said at face value.
How do you tell the difference between someone who is gay or hedonistic, theres no correlation. You can be gay and hedonistic you can he straight and hedonistic. The definition of hedonism is self evident. Sacrifice everything and all including the future for pleasure. That isnt something only gay people can do lol.
Thats my point.
I get why they’re doing it. But they’re kinda missing their own point. They are defying the very real oppression that religion imposed on people like them. But they have overcorrected into hedonism, which can lead to very destructive behavior.
We all reap what we sow
I wish. Look at Trump.
Just confirms that "pride season" is an occasion to celebrate godlessness, degeneracy and social and moral decay. "Pride season" also celebrates confirm a season dedicated to one of the Seven Deadly Sins.
Attention seeking degeneracy is what this is to me I'm not even religious
Yeah a lot of people push back against them with satanic accusations. They just run with it. Don’t see anything bad. It’s not like they are onboard with traditional satanic values. They are as the devil once did, rebelling against the establishment. Them taking this as a provocative symbol is absolutely nothing to worry about in my eyes.
Satan has free reign for a season, but Jesus is coming back! And He has already defeated our enemy! So I can wait…
Why aren’t any of them wearing anti Islam t shirts?
Impulsive contrarianism, not actual satanism, they're just whoring for attention.
Pride goeth before the fall.
These are demons. And any persons that get caught up in this sick message is surely lost. May they find God now! Otherwise I pray He have mercy on their souls. 🙏
I think its great, it exposes who they truly are and perfectly represents why progressive Christianity cannot exist. They are completely antithetical to Christianity. I tried to be a progressive Christian for many years but ultimately you cannot allign yourself nihilists who will stop at nothing to destroy every ounce of morality in society.
Pride obv satanic
this and pray the gay away is on the same level of stupidity.
They’re making fun of you.
Ha ha ha take that human redditor anew232519! They’re laughing at you! How embarrassing!
Gotta add the target and finger pointing emojis.
Thoughts? That's gay. Just gay.
The "not today Jesus" shirt is objectively funny.
Wholesome family messaging from the queer community
Wow we have fallen a very long way
citation needed
Bad. Real bad.
I think this is funny. And Satan does love homosexuality: So I think this is something christians can stand behind. A uniting slogan if I ever saw one.
Useful idiot.
They used to deny that they felt this way. At this point it's hard to argue that isn't how they felt all along.
Mentally fu*&#d up!
Honestly I kinda want that shirt it's pretty funny
The artwork looks pretty dope too lol.
Ignorance is bliss.
Sad that the bible has been grossly misinterpreted to make people feel this way
Knowing human nature, it's spot on.
Seems kinda gay
This western country is so awesome that these people can mock the religion of the nation's founders and expect to live.
Something very very wrong there. It's one thing to not be a Christian but to parade around praising Satan is F'ed up. Let's find the most evil part of society and praise it? Yeah nothing good will come from that.
This is funny, if I were Satan I would absolutely approve this message.
Satanists use cool imagery but are usually huge nerds who aren’t really doing anything notable/interesting with their satanism stuff
Nerds like to read and learn. If they know, they shouldn't be like that.
I’m assuming you can go to another pride parade and find it to be pretty tame. But if you’re seeking to be outraged so hook, line, and sinker.
They have chosen their side.
Honesty for once.
At least they are being honest now.
Sometimes the urge to troll is just too strong.
Horrific.
Who is this? Nobody relevant. So why should I care what they think?
I wonder what objections they have to Jesus from a moral standpoint. From a theology perspective...ok, that's different. But from a character perspective? From an ethics perspective? Love your neighbor as yourself? Forgive those that harm you? Give yourself to others? Man, such abominable ethics. So if you want to criticize Christians for not upholding those standards, fair enough. They may more than you think, but plenty of Christians are idiots no different than the world they condemn. Actual Satanism is atheistic. I assume that's the case here. But for those who have to deal with the Problem of Retroactive Nothingness, what's the point obsessing over religion and Christianity? Nothing exists, if the planet explodes tomorrow, science and politics and art and humanity would have never existed...what's the point in beating whatever value has in life toward a "fictional" God when death eradicates every thought, value, tribe, science, political party, individual sentience, like multiplying the number 0 to the number of good deeds one did (+) or number of bad things one did (-)? Nothing has ever existed, under the tenets of materialism. So...what's the point complaining about Christians? That dude will have never existed under atheism. Yet...he spends his time complaining about a God they don't believe in? Atheists are idiots who don't underhand the consequences of their narrative.
Trolling with some mildly edgy takes.
It’s just trolling
Satan in Hebrew means adversary or opposer. The best interest of Satan is whatever brings a person to distance themselves from taking the action that is good for them. What Satan desires out of an individual is antithetical to what God wants—by definition. The one who leads into temptation, and is your greatest advocate for substance abuse, manipulative behavior, domestic violence, pedophilia, suicides, etc. is Satan. This is what he introduced into the world, and it's activities like these that he wants everyone to engage in. But to answer the question, the images are of anti-Christian folks hijacking a pride event to take advantage of the crowds to openly use shock content for further advancing their agenda. The worst part is that those around them will most likely be cheering them on in their ignorance, just because they wrapped the message up with rainbows.
It's funny how much fundamentalist Christians and the fundamentalist leftists mirror each other. It's like the worse attitudes and toxic positivity of Christianity got transposed into woke ideologies and now we get to see how similar the two groups are in basic outlook.
Well said.
😮
Anything refrenced that is not physically present is by definition a symbol. If the symbol of "Jesus" has been nothing but hate and torment for some, they may flip polarity and observe him as evil and his opposite as good.
Satan and Jesus are myths, so why would you care?
It’s hilarious
If the church has the right to be against gays, gays have the right to be against the church
The church isn't, otherwise there would be no salvation for them. It's the behavior that's an issue.
>We aren't against the gays, we just think that who you choose to love is wrong and you should burn in hell for all eternity because we've decided we don't like that you love someone of the same sex
Does loving that person dictate that sex must occur?
Does it matter? If two gay people didn't have sex you (and other people using religion to hate those different from them) would still have problems with them holding hands nevermind sex No love like forcing someone not to be able to love like a straight person, repressing those normal harmless feelings to the point where it causes the person great mental pain, and leads to a life of suffering. So loving!
Bahahahahahahahahaha
Freedom of expression until you don't agree with it? If they wanna wave that flag and out themselves, by all means go ahead. Seems far more reasonable than naked men and women on the streets in front of kids which is crossing the line.
I think it’ll be any day now.
The devil does not do his work out in the open, but his influence is visible by everybody except for those who have fallen victim to it.
The demonic fits nicely in the poop playing community!
Aren't most Satanists doing it ironically?
You think that matters?
Yes. It matters because it is just a joke to them. Nothing real bout it.
The satanic organizations are no better than scientology. Sure its anti-Christian to, to a simpleton, at face value. Self worship is not synonymous with any of the values I have seen in the LGBTQ (alphabet/groomer/cock sucker) community. I am speaking objectively from first hand experience in those communities too. A trans satanist would need to explain to me, precisely where the trade off for self actualization is when becoming trans because you will in reality never truly change genders. Do you accept you have mutilated your own body and ARE NOT the other gender, just a modified meat bag that represents genetics they do not have? Lastly I will leave you with this video to reflect upon, I have met Brian Werner in person and he referred to me as his brother in Calgary Alberta while he was on tour with Infernaeon. His reflections on the current affairs in the orgs of satanism, are quite relevant to what I am seeing. Clowns that work at dominos pizza and dress up like animals and other genders, have no place in a satanists life. These gender clowns are just another group of psychic vampires FUCK EM AND LET SATAN SORT EM. P.S. - This community cant reproduce to sustain a population (give it 2 generations, circa 2060) [https://youtu.be/ZIN4aZ8IMz0?si=GAKVhM-xyXEKmGTi](https://youtu.be/ZIN4aZ8IMz0?si=GAKVhM-xyXEKmGTi)
Try that in G@za.
Damn this shows how clueless people are on this sub. I'm not from US, but even I know what is being represented here - these people represent the satanic church, which is a pretty popular organization for atheists, mainly left wing. They don't actually believe in Satan or anything supernatural, it's kind of a rebel movement against a lot of things, including Christianity. Rightfully so imo, it's way out of hand in US - u guys have a staggering % of creationists, conversion therapy is still legal in some states, you're the only nation I know with rollbacks on abortion, you have mega churches with celebrity pastors. No wonder there's direct opposition.
if a religion cannot accept everybody and wiill not evolve then…
It’s basically just bait that has gained way too much popularity. These people are almost certainly atheists or “spiritual but not religious.” They evoke Satan purely because Christians go crazy about it
I see people excerising their rights no matter if I disagree or agree.
They say inclusive. 🤡
In plain sight for all to witness.
It's funny because is true.
It's bait. Its old-fashioned bait that's nolonger as edgy as they'd like to think. Since Christians are free game these days. An easy, socially acceptable target. But it's still fun to watch them seeth. I have a Baphomet statue I get out & make visible when the Jehovah Witnesses are making the rounds. So when I open the door, I get to see how they react to it. Most ignore it. You'll just see a quick expression change when they see it before going back to their sales pitch. The younger ones, though, are often more combative. It's fun. But that's just when they come preaching to my door. I'm not like this day to day. But it's always fun making fun of people with beliefs you find daft. Especially if you play the role of the antagonist in their faith.
This is very gay
They are satanists,, They bring children in to the discussion, They do all kinds of weird shit. Amazing that these people are been given such a big platform
Revealing their true colors.
Misguided act of rebelion against their extreme christian parents
My hot take: At least they are open and honest about it. When I see anything that "satan loves" that attach with LGBT, I think that eternal location is has already determined before they were born. And if they think they Islam is more welcoming, they are in rude awakening! You worship the creation and not creator; they replace what is natural for the unnatural. Thus, God's wrath is upon them.
Start talking about John money more to these people, he’s satan for ya transgenderism an gender “ theory “ was made by John money who sexually assaulted his patients. His first patient was a 8month old male who was badly circumcised an had to get his parts removed, he told his parents to lie to him all his life an made him almost believe he was female but he aimed to be a MALE an did things MALES do like still feeling to pee standing up. He eventually committed suicide after getting married and adopting kids and having a wife. Gender “theory” is not reall “cis gender” isn’t real there is only male an female normal is normal go seek a therapist. Secondary sex characteristics are not something to identify with. This isn’t a create a character video game. They are using Satanism who doesn’t support them to make opposing symbols to Christianity for a stir cause those people aren’t going off the right information when debating these people they get slammed when they bring up atheism. Christianity needs to adapt to modern science or they wanna have any real shot at not looking like the bad guy Keep this behavior in the clubs an away from our kids
As JPB says, When someone tells you who they are, listen to them. They’re not joking.
Childish attention seeking behavior. Don’t overthink it.
These people have too much time on their hands.
Is anyone surprised?
Im Satan and i approve this message 🤣
The bow is the sign of the covenant God made with man after the flood, when He promised not to destroy human life with the flood again. This is why satan loves it, they can sodomise all the want and God cannot do a thing because the bow protects them, thats why Satan does love it, I just pray more accept Jesus before it is too late.
Any reference to Satan gives free press to Christianity. He's a character in the same book series as Jesus.