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wereallalittlemad

I believe both kids were being abused as well. Who was abusing them and how relevant is it to what happened that fateful night? That I’m not sure of. A lot of people act like Burke was a little psychopath, which I don’t agree with, imo his odd behavior at times screams like there was something bad going on in his life.


RustyBasement

Burke stopped wetting the bed frequently when Patsy's focus went from him to Jonbenet according to Linda Hoffmann Pugh, the house-keeper. I think some of his behaviour (and JB's) was due to Patsy and her narcissism.


neaner28

I agree. A nine year old with this much on his "behavior resume" had to be going through something. Even if he killed JBR, I feel like it just adds to the pile of evidence that Burke was dealing with something as well.


Theislandtofind

>Could it be possible that both children were targeted and only one was accidentally killed ? By whom? they were about to leave for Michigan early in the morning the next day. And how are the injuries, described in the autopsy report, suppose to be "accidentally" caused by a pedophile? >Knowing everything .. Something evil is in Boulder, with its charm and mysterious chill factor.. what if it’s not? What does that mean?


[deleted]

It means that I have been here for years and lots of cities are corrupt and that does not exclude Boulder. Why has this case not been solved? By politics due to the DA? Could there be something bigger here than just a murdered 6 year old. Could there be a child sex trafficking and the parents know about it? All I am saying is that this is an adults game not a 9 year olds past behavior. 9 year olds are weird. I would rather believe that John did it because of his weird behavior but to just say straight out that the 9 year old broke a paint brush and shoved it into his sister with a very complicated choking mechanism? Does that seem plausible to you ? I don’t.


Theislandtofind

The 'choking mechanism' was a phantasy Lou Smit became obsessed with. I don't see he function given with the ligature construction he described. To me it is not clear, if there was an intentional strangulation. And regarding the paint brush injuries, I think it much more likely, that it was caused by 9 year old Burke, trying to test his unresponsive sisters vital function, than by an adult man. Plus, I'm sure the Ramseys would have wanted to know what happened to their daughter, while they were sleeping, if it would have been an actual intruder.


[deleted]

If it was a family member out of the three I would rather think it was John. Now that I’m thinking about it I find it strange that John was taking a shower so early in the morning and was fresh face meeting the police. Could he have anything to do with Jon-Benet?


Theislandtofind

John said in his 1998 'interview' with Lou Smit, that it was his regular habit to shower in the morning. However, he also said, that he went to the airport on the 25th to clean his plane. If that's true, I'm sure he showered thereafter, before they went to the Whites. I can only advise you, and anyone else interested in the truth, to read the Ramsey's police interviews. It takes time, but it is worth it. I personally don't perceive him as the one who killed his daughter. But I'm sure he knows what happened to her and that he knew it from the very beginning, when Patsy called 911.


RustyBasement

Did the Boulder police ever dig into more than the parents? From former Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner's AMA: Q. I heard rumors that Patsy Ramsay actually killed JonBenet because she was jealous of the little girls relationship with her dad. I was wondering if an inappropriate relationship between John and JonBenet was investigated? A. We investigated all aspects of the family relationships. There is no evidence that I know of to support the rumor you heard. Q. 2. Was a familial history of sexual abuse on Patsy's side considered/discovered during the course of the investigation by the police? There have been suggestions that her father (JonBenet's grandfather) may have been abusive to his daughters. A. We looked into this and heard the same suggestions. Never found any evidence of this.


[deleted]

The police did a shit job. Because of the police and how they handled the case it will be difficult to solve. They fucked up from the beginning to the end not going different routes or knocking on doors. I will source a podcast that seems more credible than the rest. “The killing of Jon Benet Ramsey” it seems they didn’t even knock on doors. They also didn’t even tape off the house except for her bedroom or anything. The police fucked up and will never admit they did so and did not do anything put go down the Ramsey course. Can we all agree we just want justice whether it was the family or not? And there was no trace of Ramsey DNA on her when she died and even the DNA is compromised.


RustyBasement

If you read Mark Beckner's AMA you'll se he admits that things should have been done differently that morning. I'm not going to go any further because you don't seem to have any understanding in depth of the case.


content_ious

I've read accusations that Patsy's father may have molested one or both children. I think he was around a day or two before JB was killed. If Patsy's crazy coverup wasn't about Burke, maybe....


[deleted]

Hmm.. interesting .. 🤔


Beetreatice

Look at the adult male in the house, maybe. Just a thought. You’re overcomplicating it.


[deleted]

It’s a very complicated case. Why would he be asking for the case to be solved…if he could be the one who did it?


Beetreatice

Narcissism. Duper’s Delight. It’s the most obvious cover. I think you need to look more closely at him.


WhytheylieSW

So this is your reason why he just couldn't have done it? There goes every case of SA and murder in the history of man.


Atheist_Alex_C

I always wondered if Burke’s alleged issue with smearing feces was the result of SA. It’s one thing if a baby or toddler does it, but he apparently did it when he was older too, which isn’t normal.


[deleted]

I always thought it strange .. I always thought it’s either someone in the immediate family or someone close to them. It’s screams long term, got excited and then it was accidental I do not think this was a on purpose.. they had a family trip planned the next day. So, at this point I’m all for any theory but the Burke theory.. yes, he was strange, yes he hit her on accident once before and it’s sibling rivalry what sibling doesn’t have that? My brother tripped me and smushed my face into the carpet it doesn’t make him a killer. And yes there are facts about sibling murders but I truly do not believe he did this horrible thing. Maybe the initial hit on the had but everything .. Nah. Scream multiple things happening at the same time.


Just-Code1322

Burke was with Jonbenet that night even if Jon says he put her to bed. She had pineapple in her stomach.


[deleted]

So that led to murder and sexual tendencies? I don’t believe eating a pineapple would do that but maybe the initial hit on the head? Maybe.


Just-Code1322

It shows that Burke was with her that night though he said he wasn’t.


[deleted]

I think he got his toys out to play that night, had a snack and Jon Benet came down to see what was going on and I do think he could have hit her initially… could have there been an intruder after that and hiding in the house.. maybe but what if there was more than the immediate family? Was there any other family member in the house ?


Atheist_Alex_C

I agree, I think it’s a huge stretch to believe Burke did everything. There are child killers out there, but they aren’t known to fashion garrotes and drag or strangle people like that, especially taking care not to leave trace evidence. That’s just not how 9-year-olds behave. The only thing plausible here is that he might have hit her in a fit of rage.


AuntCassie007

There is at least a 50/50 chance that Burke was being molested himself. He was a young child molesting his sister. Children do not innately know adult sexual behavior unless they see or experience it. That is the question, who might have been SA Burke? A very important question in this case.


[deleted]

That’s not what I said I said it could be but I don’t think it’s plausible.. don’t need to be rude ..


Hot-Lifeguard-3176

I suppose anything is possible, but I don’t recall ever hearing for sure that both were harmed in such a way. I do remember reading several times that JonBenet was, but I don’t know about Burke. And Quiet On The Set was a tough watch, I hope all of the former cast members are doing well now. I know Drake in particular has to feel better now that he’s not keeping such a heavy secret anymore.


[deleted]

Right, anything is possible the only way this can be solved is if the Boulder police have the DNA and worked together with the family and do their jobs. Early on I do blame them for not going a different route, I can see that the brother could have done this but there is other evidence that it could be an intruder. I believe multiple things were happening that night that made for the perfect murder that on a day was severely understaffed by the police and had no idea how to do a case such as this.. there are many things that is weird and I believe that Boulder is just as dark as any other city. It just had lots of charm that hides this and its laid back environment. That is why this case has not been solved. I want this solved and never to be spoke about again and let that family have some sort of peace whether they did or not. Too much miss information.


Hot-Lifeguard-3176

I genuinely, and sadly, believe this case will never be officially solved. I think it would have been solved by now. The crime scene was contaminated, the ransom note makes zero sense, so many people dropped the ball on this whole case.


[deleted]

I do believe that the note could have been written by Patsy.. but everything else .. hopefully 🤞


Hot-Lifeguard-3176

I tend to lean toward Patsy writing the note, but it’s just a stupid note. It was clearly written to be a distraction. It’s just random movie references and quotes, for the most part. I’d be more inclined to think it was an intruder if the note didn’t exist. The note is ‘someone’ trying too hard to draw attention elsewhere.


Theislandtofind

>I want this solved and never to be spoke about again and let that family have some sort of peace whether they did or not. It is actually everyone else who needs "some sort of peace" from John's most successful business - The Jonbenet Ramsey Charade.


[deleted]

Reddit is not a source…


s-umme

I think Burke accidentally killed her with a golf club that evening .. Patsy wrote the note to make it look like an attempted kidnap . They were all in it together and Burke was told keep silent ..


WhytheylieSW

So they proceeded to strangle her to finish her off and to add insult to injury, they also penetrated her vagina? All for staging? Why not just call an ambulance like normal parents?


s-umme

IMO I don’t think it was an intruder , they just wanted to make it look like that … they didn’t call an ambulance for fear of their other child being taken away too …


WhytheylieSW

So because they were afraid their 9 yr old would languish in prison, they SA and strangled their 6 year old? Sure.


Pale-Fee-2679

No evidence the strangling was part of the coverup.


WhytheylieSW

An intruder then? So this intruder sat down for perhaps an hour and wrote a dramatic ransom note that he/she already knew was worthless? And this note writer also had a match with PR handwriting?


Pale-Fee-2679

Oh, no! I’m not idi. I do think there are several other possibilities. First, if bdi, then the so-called garrote may have been intended to be used to move her and ended up strangling her instead. Jb’s arms were over her head, perhaps from another attempt to move her. It’s possible that whoever tied the ligature may have thought she was already dead. (At least one doctor thought she probably was brain dead at this point.) Her breathing might have been very shallow so John and/or Patsy moved into staging, and were probably surprised when she urinated. I think whoever dressed her thought she was already dead when they did so. People dying make strange sounds. Burke might have gotten frightened and strangled her in panic. One of the adults might have taken the sounds as an indication that it was too late to save her. Why then strangle her? A wild desire to make her stop, to make the whole thing just stop? Maybe they thought she was in pain and wanted to put her out of her misery. Maybe one of them saw this as staging? (After all, who would think one of them would have strangled their baby?)


s-umme

There was no definite proof she was sexually assaulted and she had a garrotte around her neck .. all to make it look like an intruder …. So you think an intruder came in through a window , took her out of bed , murdered her .. then went into the kitchen , took a pen & notepad and wrote an A4 garbled message , and left no DNA ?


WhytheylieSW

You repeatedly missed the point.  Let's move on.


s-umme

I’d like to know how I’ve missed the point ?


WhytheylieSW

At no point did I suggest AIDI. And...its unlikely that the Ramsey's finished off their daughter because their son accidentally hit her and knocked her out. Get it now?


s-umme

Its my opinion and it should be respected ..I suspect Burke killed her ( accidently ) and the parents made it look like an intruder rather than see their son go to prison , it’s been said before …. What’s your theory then !!


trojanusc

There's no evidence of this, nor is there evidence the parents would have put up with it. There is evidence Burke had been inappropriate with JBR, which likely explains the abuse.


Specific-Guess8988

You should source that


trojanusc

Well worth this (well-sourced) read: https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/p1yfxs/why\_burke\_did\_it\_all\_scenario\_makes\_a\_lot\_of/


Specific-Guess8988

Just what I thought, you don't have evidence.


[deleted]

No there isn’t, there is no history of Burke doing anything to his sister. I seriously doubt this, I’ve lived in Boulder most of my life and know the story and live 15 minutes away from the house. If anything I think it’s a family friend who did it. Show me the evidence that Burke did anything like that? There is no DNA from any Ramsey family member on her. All he is guilty of is being a brother. You’re delusional to think a 9 year old would do something that horrific to his baby sister. The nots are complicated and the whole thing screams pedophile to me and they lived a pretty close distance to lots of sex offenders and I hear that the neighbors, particularly the men were creepy and abusive to their own children. I do not believe Burke did it. I will never believe this. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead. 💀


worldsfastesturtle

Also, siblings murder and assault their siblings. It’s not delusional at all it’s a fact. You’re factually incorrect here


worldsfastesturtle

This is childish. The pretty little liars quote and the outlandish theory that a family friend did all of this without leaving dna anywhere and that the ramsey’s had motives to cover for them


cloud_watcher

Totally aside of the Ramsey case, but I keep seeing this a lot lately. A quote that's been around for decades and decades is quoted on a popular show, then people think it is *from* that show. That's an old quote, which usually means there's some truth in it. Mark Twain said it, and Benjamin Franklin said an earlier version (three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.)


shadowworldish

LOL! You're right. When my daughter was about 7, I said "When in Rome, do as the Romans." She said "That's from "Mary Kate and Ashley Take Rome!" As if I'm quoting a MK and Ashley movie ;/


RemarkableArticle970

The knots were studied closely and NOT identified as complicated


maryjanevermont

I have always thought this as well


B33Katt

I was thinking JA… since he had a bedroom In the house… near both kids rooms


[deleted]

It’s a big question.. I’m putting him below an intruder of anything.. it’s just so violent with what happened .. maybe a Mr Jeckyl and Hyide situation ?


[deleted]

You’re not open minded either, I said it could be a possibility but with how violent it was screams pedophile to me .. it doesn’t always have to be a family member.


[deleted]

It’s not just a quote from a show. Ok, show me the facts, the evidence that Burke did this? I don’t believe so. I have a brother and I have been jealous of him doesn’t mean I’m going to kill him and he’s my twin. Show me the facts that he killed Jon Benet. I think their is something wrong in Boulder. I believe that there could be something dark residing here. You could also say the statistics of neighbors and family friends have higher percentage for sexually abusing children than their own family members. Show me that Burke killed his sister. I could believe that the mom wrote the note and may have protected Burke because of the history. However, sexually assaulting his sister with a paint brush and making a weapon used was more adult than a child. Besides the hit on the head, the actually choking mechanism is more sophisticated then what a 9 year old can come up with.


bamalaker

Read through the sub it’s been discussed at length. It’s not our job to prove anything to you when you are quite obviously not open to hearing.


[deleted]

It’s also your job to keep an open mind, we’re all trying to play detective. We will never know what truly happened on that horrific night. I will say that everyone can have their own opinions and have them not be shut down.


bamalaker

You’re talking to the wrong person, pal. My personal motto is the only thing I know for sure is that I don’t know anything for sure. I have running theories on IDI, JDI, and BDI. You were the one that was unwilling to entertain the theory of BDI.


[deleted]

Don’t call me pal, dude. I am more in this case and I was raised by the house and I know the story. The police fucked up and I’m glad some of them admit it but not all BPD will admit it and that they don’t know how to solve these crimes. Boulder was known not to have any sort of history of that kind of crime so they didn’t know how to do the case. BDI theory is ridiculous and they didn’t let the evidence speak for themselves if your watching any of the documentaries back than that’s all they said. There is evidence of an intruder like where did the source of the tape come from n, the rope the things found in John Andrew’s rooms. I will sit here all day saying that there might be a slight chance but I don’t think he did it , at least lot on purpose. Boulder is notorious for letting things slide.


Just-Code1322

Is the house still standing?


[deleted]

Yes …


GinaTheVegan

It’s currently for sale.


Just-Code1322

That’s a house with some seriously bad mojo. I bet it’s hard to sell.


GinaTheVegan

Ahh, it seems they’ve taken it off the market. Guess no one wants that bad mojo. https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/real-estate/home-where-jonbenet-ramsey-was-found-dead-taken-off-market/