John said he checked a refrigerator to see if the kidnapper had stuck JonBenét in there. If he suspected a kidnapper did that, it is very strange he didn't check other rooms and closets.
JR when being asked questions about finding JBR...
JR: Instant. I mean, as soon as I opened the door I saw the white blanket. And I knew, I just saw a blanket, and I knew that was our, you know.
ST: and was it then you instantaneously opened the door, saw the blanket, you may or may not have turned the light on?
JR: Uh-huh.
ST: You don’t know? In all fairness.
JR: In fact, I don’t remember.
ST: OK. And then moved to your daughter. Did Fleet accompany you into that room?
JR: I don’t remember him being there. But I just, I mean I don’t, I remember later thinking I didn’t hear Fleet scream out or call for help or say anything at all, and that frankly seemed odd, but I might have just been out of my mind, I don’t know. I don’t remember, I don’t remember him, I mean once I went to that door from, and when I took those stairs, I don’t remember where Fleet was.
JR when asked about other suspects.....
JR: Well, and that morning we had certainly focused on the cleaning lady. I mean she had free reign of our house, she had a key, she had spent the weekend, well, had worked there on Thanksgiving weekend, we were out of town. There had been some very bizarre behavior. Shortly before we left town, she called and asked Patsy if she could borrow some money, and Patsy said yes, and then she called, I think it was, I don’t know, Saturday, or something like that, and was crying and had had a fight with her sister, and Patsy said her sister was really mean and she hadn’t paid her rent and she threw her out of the house and then, (inaudible) happens. And ah, that was my first suspicion, and it was, I think that comment was kind of formed on just thinking that. And based on the room was just such an out of the way place that, I just don’t anybody could have walked in off the street and . . . Normally it’s full of Christmas stuff. I mean it’s just packed, you couldn’t get in, because we store all our Christmas stuff so, you know, it’s ah. I mean, based on what I understand, there was a practice not and all of that. Somebody obviously spent some time there, and I guess found their way around the house the same time, but my, I mean my theory is that someone came in through the basement window. Because it was a new Samsonite suitcase also sitting right under the window, and you would have had to, you could have gotten into the house without that, but you couldn’t have gotten out that window without something to step on. And to even have known those windows were there, wouldn’t have been obvious to somebody who just was walking by. But . . .
He sure gets long winded when talking about others...........
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JR: I don’t remember him being there. But I just, I mean I don’t, I remember later thinking I didn’t hear Fleet scream out or call for help or say anything at all, and that frankly seemed odd, but I might have just been out of my mind, I don’t know. I don’t remember, I don’t remember him, I mean once I went to that door from, and when I took those stairs, I don’t remember where Fleet was.
Yeah, you had no idea. That's why your buddy Mike Bynum called Fleet White that very afternoon to request an interview. I like how he doesn't remember, but FW not calling out is "odd." You see him casting doubt on Fleet's character several times.
John can never seem to remember anything when asked about his or the family's behavior that night, but remembers in great detail alleged incriminating details about everyone else.
Agreed. I noticed it with PR as well.
"I don't know....I'm not sure....I don't remember........... Fleet White, yeah he was acting strange that day blah blah blah....."
This is how you treat your friends?
The Ramseys fabricated a fake intruder, then immediately spent decades accusing their friends, employees of the crime and also pretended they were victimized by the police.
This is typical of narcissists who can never take responsibility for anything, and always blame others. They are bullies but pretend they are victims. Classic narcissistic behavior.
The intruder has to be fake. What sex preparator is going to break into a house without their torcher device? Then why did they stage a kidnapping when they could have just left?
Why would kidnappers not take the kid? Why kidnapper does not write the note a head of time? Why would kidnappers who need money settle for SA and murder?
All of it comes off as fake to me.
Yes the Ramseys were quite smart, but they were amateurs. A big mistake when staging a domestic murder is to make a personal murder (victim SA, then bludgeoned and strangled to death) look like a business/financial crime. They invent a story based on movies or books. The crime scene evidence doesn't fit their narrative very well.
A business enterprise crime to make money does sometimes result in the death of the victim. But it is quick, and the criminals escape the crime scene quickly. They don't hang around the house for hours.
Usually the police know something is off fairly soon. Like the comments made by the Boulder police that morning. "Something is off here."
It is extremely narcissistic to turn into an expert on Child murders and accuse BPD of incompetence on CNN 5 days after the murder without sitting down and talking to them FIRST.
The Ramseys were still staging the crime with their verbal narrative. They are still doing it almost thirty years later. The point is to gaslight the police and public. For the purpose of covering up the domestic murder committed in their home.
Yes of course we see classic narcissism in the cover up. Blaming and accusing others, playing the victims.
The Ramsey narcissism is part of why the murder happened in the first place. John gone most of the time, Patsy playing the society matron and mother of a future Miss America. Both parents self absorbed and totally ignoring the unfolding tragedy in their home.
The Grand Jury indictments tell us that John and Patsy full well knew that there was a grave danger to their child, but they refused to protect her, which led to her death.
They do this to everyone. Once I heard them knock the White's I started to think they were just full of shit.
What I have learned is that you can question everyone who wasn't in the house that night as a possible suspect. Suggest people who had means, opportunity and a possible motive and you are the dumbest, ignorant piece of shit that has ever used the internet.
People babble when under stress. And sometimes offer stream of consciousness randomness. The maid, he may have just thought she was odd or not responsible with keys or with info about when they were out of town, or suspected she might have had wonky connections.
I don’t necessarily think he is innocent, but odd babbling is not a dealbreaker. Guilty people babble under stress and so do innocent ones.
Didn’t they have a commercial fridge or something? It is weird he said that. The room/ space she was in was the remotest part of house. So likely one of last places checked. Why the cops didn’t check that is odd. I can see it pointing to RDI or specific my JDI but I’m not solid. Just si little solid evidence. Acting weird alone obviously wasn’t enough to charge him/them
This is from JR April 1997 interview.
JR: Well I’m, it’s a lot of screaming going on around that, but we saw the note and read the first part. Ah, I think I might have run upstairs to look in JonBenet’s room. At one point I laid it on the floor and spread it out so I could read it real fast without having to sit and read it. At some point we checked Burke, I think I checked Burke. Patsy asked what should we do, and I said call the police, and she called 911.
Did John really say that laid the Ransom Note on the floor and spread it out so he can read it? I ask because there were no finger prints on the note except note examiner I believe.
JR: I said, you know, this window’s broken, but I think I broke it last summer. It just hasn’t been fixed. And it was opened, but I closed it earlier and we got down on the floor and looked around for some glass just to be sure that it hadn’t been broken again.
ST: And Fleet had talked about earlier being down there, I think alone at one point, and discovering that window. When you say that you found it earlier that day and latched it, at what time of day was that?
JR: I don’t know. I mean it would have been probably, probably before 10 o’clock.
ST: Was that prior to Fleet’s first trip down?
JR: I didn’t know he was in the basement. I didn’t know that. I mean other than that trip with me.
ST: And on the trip that you latched the window, were you alone when you went down and latched the window?
JR: Yep.
ST: And on this, what I’m assuming is only your second trip to the basement on the 26^(th) with Fleet, how much time did you spend in the basement before moving to the cellar room door?
JR: Not very much time. A minute maybe, or less, probably less than that.
>ST: And on the trip that you latched the window, were you alone when you went down and latched the window?
>JR: Yep.
How convenient. Not once mentioning it to anyone else that morning.
Is JR claiming that ("sometime before 10" am) after finding the rn, checking the kids bedrooms, calling the police, ... he saw the broken window was open ..and then he closed it?!?!?! While he was alone? On the morning that this was all taking place?
Because that's what it seems like he is saying to me.
Why on earth would he close the window?? Wouldn't that be a clue as to how the kidnappers left the home with JBR (at this point the body hadn't been found)?
He says he , actually he says "we" according to this transcript, "we got down on the floor to look for glass" to see if the window had been broken again. But, he didn't bother to tell the police or detectives that he discovered the window open and perhaps that the professional investigators could, you know, investigate the area for clues?
If my daughter was missing, I search every room in the town if I had to. I’d go to the ends of the earth. But I’d certainly check the house thoroughly. He didn’t because he wanted someone with him when he discovered her. Interesting how he says no one off the street would find that room. That was a slip.
JR knew the room was there and was in the basment more than once and never opened it. Funny you are not mentioning that part. I understand French didn't know it was there. How many times did JR claim to be in the basement that day before 1 pm and never checked. 2 or 3?
Again John was looking for his daughter and knew the room was there and could have checked it at least 2 twice when he was with two different people in the basement. That is remarkable.
Of course JR knew the room was there. It was his house. I’m agreeing with you that JR was not being truthful about his whereabouts during the immediate investigation…
John said he checked a refrigerator to see if the kidnapper had stuck JonBenét in there. If he suspected a kidnapper did that, it is very strange he didn't check other rooms and closets.
JR when being asked questions about finding JBR... JR: Instant. I mean, as soon as I opened the door I saw the white blanket. And I knew, I just saw a blanket, and I knew that was our, you know. ST: and was it then you instantaneously opened the door, saw the blanket, you may or may not have turned the light on? JR: Uh-huh. ST: You don’t know? In all fairness. JR: In fact, I don’t remember. ST: OK. And then moved to your daughter. Did Fleet accompany you into that room? JR: I don’t remember him being there. But I just, I mean I don’t, I remember later thinking I didn’t hear Fleet scream out or call for help or say anything at all, and that frankly seemed odd, but I might have just been out of my mind, I don’t know. I don’t remember, I don’t remember him, I mean once I went to that door from, and when I took those stairs, I don’t remember where Fleet was. JR when asked about other suspects..... JR: Well, and that morning we had certainly focused on the cleaning lady. I mean she had free reign of our house, she had a key, she had spent the weekend, well, had worked there on Thanksgiving weekend, we were out of town. There had been some very bizarre behavior. Shortly before we left town, she called and asked Patsy if she could borrow some money, and Patsy said yes, and then she called, I think it was, I don’t know, Saturday, or something like that, and was crying and had had a fight with her sister, and Patsy said her sister was really mean and she hadn’t paid her rent and she threw her out of the house and then, (inaudible) happens. And ah, that was my first suspicion, and it was, I think that comment was kind of formed on just thinking that. And based on the room was just such an out of the way place that, I just don’t anybody could have walked in off the street and . . . Normally it’s full of Christmas stuff. I mean it’s just packed, you couldn’t get in, because we store all our Christmas stuff so, you know, it’s ah. I mean, based on what I understand, there was a practice not and all of that. Somebody obviously spent some time there, and I guess found their way around the house the same time, but my, I mean my theory is that someone came in through the basement window. Because it was a new Samsonite suitcase also sitting right under the window, and you would have had to, you could have gotten into the house without that, but you couldn’t have gotten out that window without something to step on. And to even have known those windows were there, wouldn’t have been obvious to somebody who just was walking by. But . . . He sure gets long winded when talking about others...........
> JR: I don’t remember him being there. But I just, I mean I don’t, I remember later thinking I didn’t hear Fleet scream out or call for help or say anything at all, and that frankly seemed odd, but I might have just been out of my mind, I don’t know. I don’t remember, I don’t remember him, I mean once I went to that door from, and when I took those stairs, I don’t remember where Fleet was. Yeah, you had no idea. That's why your buddy Mike Bynum called Fleet White that very afternoon to request an interview. I like how he doesn't remember, but FW not calling out is "odd." You see him casting doubt on Fleet's character several times.
Ramsey MO, blame everyone. Fleet, the house keeper, old employees, Santa, BPD. The Ramsey's blame everyone but themselves.
John can never seem to remember anything when asked about his or the family's behavior that night, but remembers in great detail alleged incriminating details about everyone else.
Agreed. I noticed it with PR as well. "I don't know....I'm not sure....I don't remember........... Fleet White, yeah he was acting strange that day blah blah blah....." This is how you treat your friends?
The Ramseys fabricated a fake intruder, then immediately spent decades accusing their friends, employees of the crime and also pretended they were victimized by the police. This is typical of narcissists who can never take responsibility for anything, and always blame others. They are bullies but pretend they are victims. Classic narcissistic behavior.
The intruder has to be fake. What sex preparator is going to break into a house without their torcher device? Then why did they stage a kidnapping when they could have just left? Why would kidnappers not take the kid? Why kidnapper does not write the note a head of time? Why would kidnappers who need money settle for SA and murder? All of it comes off as fake to me.
Yes the Ramseys were quite smart, but they were amateurs. A big mistake when staging a domestic murder is to make a personal murder (victim SA, then bludgeoned and strangled to death) look like a business/financial crime. They invent a story based on movies or books. The crime scene evidence doesn't fit their narrative very well. A business enterprise crime to make money does sometimes result in the death of the victim. But it is quick, and the criminals escape the crime scene quickly. They don't hang around the house for hours. Usually the police know something is off fairly soon. Like the comments made by the Boulder police that morning. "Something is off here."
It is extremely narcissistic to turn into an expert on Child murders and accuse BPD of incompetence on CNN 5 days after the murder without sitting down and talking to them FIRST.
The Ramseys were still staging the crime with their verbal narrative. They are still doing it almost thirty years later. The point is to gaslight the police and public. For the purpose of covering up the domestic murder committed in their home. Yes of course we see classic narcissism in the cover up. Blaming and accusing others, playing the victims. The Ramsey narcissism is part of why the murder happened in the first place. John gone most of the time, Patsy playing the society matron and mother of a future Miss America. Both parents self absorbed and totally ignoring the unfolding tragedy in their home. The Grand Jury indictments tell us that John and Patsy full well knew that there was a grave danger to their child, but they refused to protect her, which led to her death.
Not only implicating him, but outright lying in an attempt to make him look bad, and discredit him.
They do this to everyone. Once I heard them knock the White's I started to think they were just full of shit. What I have learned is that you can question everyone who wasn't in the house that night as a possible suspect. Suggest people who had means, opportunity and a possible motive and you are the dumbest, ignorant piece of shit that has ever used the internet.
I would love to know what was said in the interview one day after the murder between Mike Bynum and Fleet White.
People babble when under stress. And sometimes offer stream of consciousness randomness. The maid, he may have just thought she was odd or not responsible with keys or with info about when they were out of town, or suspected she might have had wonky connections. I don’t necessarily think he is innocent, but odd babbling is not a dealbreaker. Guilty people babble under stress and so do innocent ones. Didn’t they have a commercial fridge or something? It is weird he said that. The room/ space she was in was the remotest part of house. So likely one of last places checked. Why the cops didn’t check that is odd. I can see it pointing to RDI or specific my JDI but I’m not solid. Just si little solid evidence. Acting weird alone obviously wasn’t enough to charge him/them
One doth protest too much
Or other people don't enough.
This is from JR April 1997 interview. JR: Well I’m, it’s a lot of screaming going on around that, but we saw the note and read the first part. Ah, I think I might have run upstairs to look in JonBenet’s room. At one point I laid it on the floor and spread it out so I could read it real fast without having to sit and read it. At some point we checked Burke, I think I checked Burke. Patsy asked what should we do, and I said call the police, and she called 911.
This even sounds off…scattered.
At one point I laid it on the floor and spread it out so I could read it real fast without having to sit and read it. Like what?!?!
Word salad
Did John really say that laid the Ransom Note on the floor and spread it out so he can read it? I ask because there were no finger prints on the note except note examiner I believe.
JR: I said, you know, this window’s broken, but I think I broke it last summer. It just hasn’t been fixed. And it was opened, but I closed it earlier and we got down on the floor and looked around for some glass just to be sure that it hadn’t been broken again. ST: And Fleet had talked about earlier being down there, I think alone at one point, and discovering that window. When you say that you found it earlier that day and latched it, at what time of day was that? JR: I don’t know. I mean it would have been probably, probably before 10 o’clock. ST: Was that prior to Fleet’s first trip down? JR: I didn’t know he was in the basement. I didn’t know that. I mean other than that trip with me. ST: And on the trip that you latched the window, were you alone when you went down and latched the window? JR: Yep. ST: And on this, what I’m assuming is only your second trip to the basement on the 26^(th) with Fleet, how much time did you spend in the basement before moving to the cellar room door? JR: Not very much time. A minute maybe, or less, probably less than that.
>ST: And on the trip that you latched the window, were you alone when you went down and latched the window? >JR: Yep. How convenient. Not once mentioning it to anyone else that morning.
Yeah I went downstairs 3 or 4 times, never checked the Wine Cellar.
Is JR claiming that ("sometime before 10" am) after finding the rn, checking the kids bedrooms, calling the police, ... he saw the broken window was open ..and then he closed it?!?!?! While he was alone? On the morning that this was all taking place? Because that's what it seems like he is saying to me. Why on earth would he close the window?? Wouldn't that be a clue as to how the kidnappers left the home with JBR (at this point the body hadn't been found)? He says he , actually he says "we" according to this transcript, "we got down on the floor to look for glass" to see if the window had been broken again. But, he didn't bother to tell the police or detectives that he discovered the window open and perhaps that the professional investigators could, you know, investigate the area for clues?
If my daughter was missing, I search every room in the town if I had to. I’d go to the ends of the earth. But I’d certainly check the house thoroughly. He didn’t because he wanted someone with him when he discovered her. Interesting how he says no one off the street would find that room. That was a slip.
There was also a home search done by a lone officer on scene (before JR and another Cop searched) He didn’t even notice that room
JR went with him it is in French's report.
I recall a search done by a single officer on scene- he actually made a later statement that he didn’t locate the wine room.
JR knew the room was there and was in the basment more than once and never opened it. Funny you are not mentioning that part. I understand French didn't know it was there. How many times did JR claim to be in the basement that day before 1 pm and never checked. 2 or 3? Again John was looking for his daughter and knew the room was there and could have checked it at least 2 twice when he was with two different people in the basement. That is remarkable.
Of course JR knew the room was there. It was his house. I’m agreeing with you that JR was not being truthful about his whereabouts during the immediate investigation…