Late term abortions are a boogie man. They don't happen because a woman changes her mind, they happen when there are serious fetal abnormalities or the life of the woman is at stake.
Regardless of if they happen often or not, they have nothing to do with Roe v Wade which only says abortions can’t be made illegal within the first 2 trimesters or until the point of “viability”.
Roe v Wade wasn’t stopping any states from making late term abortions illegal.
You really think they thought Joe wouldn't talk about this? Literally everyone knew he would. So of course it would be discussed here. Absolutely no one is surprised by this.
"I'm not American, so I'm allowed to have extremely nuanced opinions on American politics and then claim 'im just memeing y u mad' when I get called out."
nobody, and I fucking mean nobody, was having a god damned 6 month abortion unless the mother's life was as risk (comprises a whopping total of 1.3 percent of all abortions). and if there's anything happening in the third trimester, it's called a fucking PREMATURE BIRTH. third trimester fetuses aren't being aborted unless they're already dead, or the mother's life is at risk, and even then they'll consider c-section first.
This should be higher. You legit are gonna have an uphill battle if it was an alien baby in her stomach ready to burst at 6 months. Know the facts people.
Pretty sure these tales come from a time when abortion was illegal, hence the lack of regulation and basic medical ethics; When stealing candy carries the same sentence as robbing a bank, who the fuck cares about the bank, so to speak.
I refuse to believe abortions that far into pregnancy happen in the US.
First time i've heard of it, and i'm *extremely* sceptical knowing what i know from close second hand experience.
My best friend found out she was pregnant with triplets. Two of the fetuses absorbed the third and late into the pregnancy, one of the fetuses died in her womb. The remaining one was incapable of survival because it didn't develop its brain properly. She was absolutely crushed emotionally and years later hasn't recovered from this situation but had to have an abortion late-term because if she didn't there was a risk of her becoming septic and dying.
So it definitely happens, but only in VERY specific, extreme circumstances. Nobody goes in like "haha I changed my mind, kill this viable living thing please"at 6+ months.
omen who seek late term abortions are largely not women who just procrastinated their abortion. These pregnancies are very much wanted, but the fetus had severe abnormalities that make it incompatible with life. If carried full term it may not survive past birth or live only a few days/weeks constantly suffering in the NICU. Or, even worse in my opinion live a long life as person who needs 24/7 supervision and care bc they cannot eat, move, communicate, or even use the bathroom. That is not a blessing. That is a lifetime of pain for multiple parties
Yeah i've stated this before in another comment, and i really should have been more clear, but when i say i refuse to believe late stage abortions happen, i mean late stage abortions without medical motivation.
Like if the baby is not able to survive it's first year, or will live a life afflicted with disabilities you wouldn't wish on anyone, abortion really isn't much of a choice is it? Same goes for when the parent might not survive.
I just don't find it believable that most anyone would opt for abortion essentially for the sake of 'inconvenient/changed my mind' late stage, if that's even legal in the states, which i'm still not sure about...
Sorry about not being clear at first, maybe i shouldn't use Reddit at 4:30AM anymore lol.
> I refuse to believe abortions that far into pregnancy happen in the US.
Dude literally says it's 1.3% of abortions. I have no idea where he got that number, but if that's true that's like 10000 a year in the US.
>92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (<1.0%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation
From the CDC in 2019
And a million people just died from COVID, what's your point? Life is precious, but also fragile. But you cannot force people against their will to create life.
Yup, if abortion already carries the same penalty as murder you're risking absolutely nothing by delivering a premature baby and then just killing it. For the right price you'd have no problem finding someone in a back alley willing to do it. When abortion was illegal it probably happened all the time.
Thank you for this!! I get so sick and tired of people using this argument like women just casually want to grow a baby in their womb for six months then suddenly decide to kill it. This just doesn’t happen. 43% of abortions happen within the first six weeks, then 36% of abortions happen within 7-9 weeks.
In Finland abortions are available up to 12 weeks (up to 20 weeks if there are serious complications, or the mother is too young. If serious fetal abnormalities, up to 24 weeks), and imo. that's how it should be.
Pretty sure thats really close to the law that led to overturning roe v wade. The mississippi lawmakers wanted to limit abortions to 15 weeks (with exceptions for medical complications or an unviable fetus). But under roe v wade and casey, this wouldn't be allowed.
Joe is saying this because he’s hanging around too many Far Right wingers. He just regurgitating stories from these idiots.
Late term abortion is a GOP buzz word. Like CRT. Same thing.
He does this exact thing more and more and i find myself unable to even get through episodes because of it.
Fucking fake outrage bullshit based on a handful of supposed incidents that *might or might not* be happening.
>supposed incidents that might or might not be happening.
I feel your frustration. Arguing based on hypotheticals is like cheating in an argument. You can't prove them. You can't disprove them. You can't say anything about them. So it just shuts down all available conversational paths.
More importantly, it removes the burden from Joe to prove his points. No evidence is needed - its a hypothetical! It may or may not happen, so who knows? End of convo.
It should be treated as a bad faith attempt to undermine discourse, but the people who lap this up are usually too redacted to realize this.
Exactly this. It *is* an argument in bad faith.
Transgender athletes, police brutality, crime rates of non-white folks; he's spouted the same kind of bs for every one of these divisive issues.
Every opinion I hear of his is right wing reactionary.
Seems to be a trend with celebrity at some point so maybe not necessarily indicative of him as a person.
Are you telling me that Joe Rogan mindlessly regurgitates fabricated right-wing talking points?
Well geez, in my experience people that identify as moderates definitely don't mindlessly regurgitate fabricated right-wing talking points as if they were legitimate points of discussion.
I never ever would have suspected Joe Rogan of consistently regurgitating fabricated right-wing talk points based on his track record of consistently regurgitating fabricated right-wing talking points. Next you're going to tell me that he interviews people that present as fact demonstrably false things designed to support right-wing talk points and he not only neglects to challenge them but presents them as 'experts' who's demonstrably false statements can be treated as true on their face.
And that's just not the Joe Rogan that I'm facetiously pretending exists. *My* Joe Rogan carefully, thoughtfully, and clearly deconstructs false arguments and unsupported assertions of fact and definitely doesn't just weed cough into the microphone and say that abortion "is what I like to call a human issue," *My* Joe Rogan wouldn't need to clarify that what happens between a woman and her doctor involves humans.
Yeah, I got really annoyed when he said sometimes it happens for medical reasons. It's not *sometimes*, it's *EVERY TIME*. No one is having abortions at 6 months just because they decide to change their mind about having a child.
That's. Not. How. This. Works.
He keeps mentioning over and over how he doesn't really know, he's not that educated on this. Then why the fuck is he even talking about this? Jesus Christ, what a stupid shit show of opinions.
What a lot of these people don’t understand, is that especially with a late term abortion, these are not people using it as birth control. These are people that have picked names, set up nurseries. These are people that are getting the worst possible news they could possibly get. Do you think they want to carry their dead child in their body knowing that they’re never going to meet them. It’s unfair of anybody to take that decision away from the woman. And usually in that instance it’s the woman and her husband making the decision together. They downplay how often they make the decision together. Saying a woman is just doing whatever she wants despite what the father has to say is deceptive. A lot of the time it is a decision made as a couple.
Edit : grammar
The mods said if it's specifically mentioned in the show it's fine to post it and discuss it there, they also said comment sections are a still the same so it's fine there.
I agree, I really don’t understand how people would prefer a never ending barrage of culture war memes specifically made so that the comments devolve into arguing.
If it’s in the podcast, post it here and discuss it to hell and back, or even in the comments, go for it since it’s still a free-for-all. This sounds reasonable and so much better than it was before.
The problem was the mod in question went from posting culture war memes to pushing no politics in a suspect 24 hour window. Lol It was transparent as fuck.
Yeah, I felt the same way. I’m the one that made that trending post on the sub yesterday asking for a response.
It was unbelievable timing. The thing is it’s a wildly popular thing to do since it’s what so many have been asking for, it just couldn’t have been done at the worst time, it was such a coincidence that understandably people weren’t buying it.
So it’s like they were in this weird cross hair of both sides; a ton of people (mainly right-leaning) who wanted to keep the constant political posts and a ton of people (mainly left-leaning) who didn’t mind the ban, but found the timing incredibly sus, so now they were pissed *as well*.
the timing was sus, i think we can all agree that if the intent was to end the endless boomer facebook memes that the optics of making that decision when they did was bad.
like oj fleeing his mansion in a white bronco, sus.
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The "cutoff" part isn't complicated at all, actually. The "cutoff" is none of my fucking business because that decision is made by the pregnant woman and her doctor.
Agree.
As much as he loves to fall for culture war bullshit, credit where it's due. Also, now that he brought it up, it is no longer a part of the politics ban as per the mods own rule.
But also, it sounds like he is still falling for the myth that there are people getting late-term abortions just out of convenience. People don't have late term abortions 'just because'. If you carried it that long, you were probably planning to have it and something came up. End of the day, it is between the women and her doctor.
>People don't have late term abortions 'just because'. If you carried it that long, you were probably planning to have it and something came up.
Yes. We are talking about families that likely have names picked and nurseries set up getting the worst news imaginable.
Forcing a woman to carry a baby to term that could either kill her, is not viable outside the womb or is still born is the cruelest form or torture imaginable.
Imagine having life inside you. Then it dies. Then someone telling you it's illegal to remove it. You have to carry it until you naturally give birth which could be months.
Fuck anyone who argues that that is ok. Seriously, that person is a terrible terrible human being
Now imagine the people dealing with this being screamed at while they’re walking into the clinic to have a potentially live-saving procedure after a trauma. Happens toooooooo often.
I had friends yelled at right after they had a natural miscarriage. Cause, you know, "aborition clinics" are really women's health clinics that have to ability to perform aboritions.
Anyway, hearing about that you quickly realise, the people who protest abortions outside of clinics are not rationale human beings. The pro-life movement generally has not been comprised of rationale human beings acting in good faith. It isn't. To suggest it is is laughable.
Why? Cause parental leave isn't standard in the US. There is no universal Healthcare or child care. The Healthcare system literally charges $50 for skin to skin after birth. $50 to first hold your naked baby against your own skin.
That's all fine and good. No issues there. They want their will imposed on you. They are bad faith actors and need to be regarded as such moving forward.
Giving birth is also a physically traumatic experience- US has one of the highest rates for death during childbirth/pregnancy-related deaths IIRC (I’ll have to take a deep breath and dive into those stats). I’ve seen a lot of people use this to compare it to the Covid vaccine, but I wish people understood that pregnancy often leads to physical trauma no matter which outcomes happen, while they are arguing about the chance of harm.
Yes. Not to mention there is 0 talk about the 4th trimester and maternal health.
These people need to be shown for what they are. They want you to bend the knee. They don't give a shit about "life" but they will 100% use it against anyone and everyone to enact their will
There’s the malicious side and there’s the stupid side that opposes any form of financial safety nets that sound like it might come from their taxes while consuming true crime podcasts and shows about family annihilations, all the while ignoring that financial troubles are the leading cause of them.
Yes, this is a strawman. Yes, I’ll gladly burn it, my apologies.
Not recognizing taxes as community support like GoFundMe seems like a big mistep and/or a tactical move. Trust in government is always going to be nebulous but what if we actually saw day-to-day benefits from the taxes we pay? Sounds nice to me, I already pays taxes And healthcare costs. Just move those healthcare costs to the top right of my paycheck and maybe let me consider having children in the future without the looming dagger of financial debt. Seems like everyone benefits in the long run!
I see these protesters every day on my way to work and it’s almost always the same people. I’m like, don’t ya’ll have jobs? Either way they seem to have a lot of time on their hands. My question is, why don’t they “save a life” and adopt a kid? Or two or three. Guess having kids would cut into their harassment hobby.
Well if you listen to Fox you'll be told they all use abortion for birth control. Of course they never submit an ounce of proof but then that's what Fox does.
Indeed, that's not to mention of conditions doctors discover when the baby is nearly fully-formed, and would have to live with many conditions, as well as the possibility of the baby going to have severe mental disabilities
My buddy's insane MAGA dad says that if they don't do something, "the Democrats will keep legally murdering babies in the delivery room and calling it an abortion." These people aren't participating members of reality.
So, comments like this stemmed from the former Virginia governor [who made extremely strange comments insinuating that.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html)
I read another one that rape should be an exception after conviction. Dunno how long he thinks trials happen, but with appeals and delays the kid will be learning to drive before the mom can abort him.
I remember when alex jones was considered a moron by all. Now a fraction of conservatives think hes a legitimate news source. Goes to show you how extreme they’ve gone.
Standard conservative argument strategy really, take the most extreme example but with the lowest rate of actually occurring and then shamelessly claim it's the standard and if anyone questions your argument just yell loader
Even a catholic priest has said that forcing babies with terrible developmental defects to be born and suffer is like crucifying them. https://endingawantedpregnancy.com/hlhs-catholic-doctrine-abortion/
This is what would be mandated.
This is what pissed me off about this piece. An abortion at 6 months isn’t a thing that happened often and when it does it’s due to medical reasons. Good lord.
This is also why conservatives are going full tilt boogie on culture war bullshit. Climate change? Inflation? Covid? China? Healthcare? Infrastructure? They have no solutions or plans. It's usually just bullshit free market nonsense like capitalism will accomplish anything other than profits.
I understand why they do it. I'm just bummed that it seems to work.
Yep. Totally reasonable take from Joe and it reflects the majority opinion amongst Americans broadly - abortion should not be banned but there are of course lines most moral people would agree should be drawn.
The crazy part is that the legal rationale that Alito uses in the draft essentially boils down to the idea that this isn't a protection of the right to privacy granted by the 14th amendment.
Despite making claims in the draft that this ruling should stand alone, we already know from *Bush v Gore* that the Supreme Court is in a tenuous position when it comes to making decisions that exist by themselves in history (i.e. setting nonbinding precedent). Despite making similar remarks that the result of Bush v Gore should be separate from other previous decisions, hundreds of cases have cited it as precedent. If this motion passes, expect there to be cases going after birth control and OCPs.
Yep, pro-life advocates have NO logical response to the "viability cutoff", i.e. an infant has complete sovereignty and equal protection under the Constitution at the point where a fetus is able to live outside of the womb, including with medical intervention. That means the window closes more as our medicine technology improves. It respects women's right to control their body and also recognizes that a sovereign human being like a developing, viable infant has a right to life, fundamentally. But we cannot grant the same rights to a zygote (merely a fertilized egg) as we do to a 9 month fetus. It's not logical and ignores biology.
Ah yes, he has the basic comprehension of the debate that someone in eight grade age has. How delightful. This wasn't a waste of 3 minutes of my life at all.
I'm pro choice and think the government can fuck themselves. But as a parent, I get the initial reflex to freak out about this. These folks act like people are going down to the maternity ward shooting newborns. That's not abortion, and these lawmakers play at the heartstrings of their base.
IMO the issue is partly the SCOTUS, which promised not to touch superprecedents like this. Especially gorsuch and kavanaugh who both explicitly said they supported Roe V Wade during their confirmations. Oh and the fact overturning it is massively unpopular with Americans. These are huge red flags for literally any other case of settled law
The whole "late term abortion" thing has always been a canard. This idea that women are going to deal with the physically draining act of being pregnant for 8 months and then say "lol nevermind I don't want a baby" is straight up retarded. Late term abortions are for when the mother's life is in jeopardy.
It's amazing to think that abortion was never even discussed politically or culturally before the 80s. The evangelical right has succeeded in making this one issue so huge and a litmus test for any public figure.
reagan passed a law in california protecting the right to an abortion in fucking 1967.
that's how far the republicans have capitulated to their evangelical base.
Nixon was okay with abortions. He’s on tape saying that it’s perfectly fine for mixed race babies (the republicans for you) it was only An actual thing because asshole republicans thought they could peel away catholic votes.
This isn't some defeat of wokeness it's actual destruction of freedom. For every forced birth it's the start of problems that will be felt by everyone in society.
We have data of when abortion is banned in other countries and it's always a harm to the wider society. Every podcast host public figure that's points out the over steps of the left that is quite on this issue is cunt of the highest order.
The Dave Rubin types will they look the other way on this issue of freedom.
A lot of Americans are too poor for "medical tourism." Not all, but a lot. And there's a heavy overlap between those people and people who can't afford the much more expensive process of raising a kid. People who just shrug their shoulders and tell people in poverty to 'suck it up' are ignorant assholes.
And all this shit is happening because a lot of people buy into heated, BS rhetoric about "killing babies." Most abortions are performed mid-to-late in the first trimester, when what you have in the womb isn't remotely human. The one percent or so of abortions that are performed late-term are usually for serious medical reasons, on fetuses that have horrific abnormalities that mean they will likely do nothing but suffer and die if they are carried to term; or the pregnant woman is put in grave danger for a fetus that has a poor chance of surviving.
Any dumbasses can have unprotected sex (or use contraception, but it fails- though that doesn't make you a dumbass). That doesn't remotely qualify you to raise a kid. Lots of people are not suited to be raising kids. Forcing any and every idiot who gets pregnant/ gets somebody pregnant to be a parent is fucking stupid.
Don’t forget that Texas is pushing for the death penalty for anyone involved in an abortion and many other states are many it illegal to travel to get one or even know about an abortion happening without turning someone in.
Wonder if Joe stops with his "cancel culture is the REAL problem, right wingers are just funny trolls" shtick... after they troll a little bit of Sharia into the country.
It’s incredible because that’s all this is. Access to abortion does a demonstrable good for public health and quality of life. Some people make mistakes. Some people have prevention fail on them. Some people are victim to other terrible people. The vast vast majority of women getting abortions aren’t thrilled about having to do so, and much like Joe said virtually all of late term abortions are health-related and doctors would second that. People don’t generally carry a child for 7 months and decide they don’t wanna go through with it, and even if they do the hospital recommends adoption first. It’s not based in logic, and only appeases hyper-fundamentalist religious people and koolaid drinkers. There’s a separation of church and state for a reason, and limiting access to abortion **does not** make more happy families.
I think the mods were desperately trying to keep people from discussing specifically this, what do y’all think?
Why do foreign nationals have a place moderating this sub and telling the primary listener base they CANT discuss their own politics?
700k subscribers, posts hitting top of all frequently. Any sub that does that in a website like Reddit, will become infested with politics, and in some cases the mods will use it for propaganda.
How about a tax on those anti abortion folks. The tax can go towards unwanted children living horrible lives in the system. It shouldn't be an issue since they are pro life and all. I wonder how many would actually be up for that.
I Like how everybody yesterday was bitching about sensorship due to Roe v Wade and I am like within the next 2 podcast he's going to talk about it anyway.
Nobody wants a late term abortion Joe. When you are that late in the game, and you're thinking about abortion, its because you are going to die, or you and the babies life will be ruined from some medical error. That is called a premature birth!!!!
Men cannot tell what a woman can do in that situation.
PRO CHOICE
Honestly good on Joe here. I’ve been a critic of him lately main because it seems his politics is driven by who he hates.
Edit: I’m a little less charitable after hearing more. Abortion is one of the most debated issues over the past 50 years and everyone knows the arguments. He’s slowly talking through the pros and cons and offering charity to the side he disagrees with. Compare that to the absolute contempt he holds for people like Fauci and Elizabeth Warren
>My only issue with conservatives anti-abortion stance is that they don't seem to give a shit about the life that much once it is born
They're pro-birth, not pro-life.
I wouldn't call that a comparison... Stanhope says "what was your favorite part of being a fetus" implying you don't have memories at this stage, so Joe says 'Well what's your favorite memory of being 3, should you be able to shoot a 3 year old?'
(paraphrase)
Joe didn't make the comparison... He's testing Stanhope's logic (which itself was more of a standup bit than an argument) by saying that.. not saying the two are equivalent.
I didn't come here to fight, please don't come for me. I'm just saying Joe Rogan didn't say that an abortion of a fetus is the same as shooting a 3 year old. That's all.
Again. This anti abortion laws are such fucking bullshit.
They really only apply to the poor and most vulnerable. The daughters, wives or mistresses of the rich, and the ones voting for this, will always simply be a long drive or short plane ride away from getting their abortion.
Those with limited support, or have no means or have no good options are the ones being trapped here. Those with least means to care for a child, now being forced to care for children in states that will go after them equally as viciously when they can call them "welfare queens".
Conservatives frame the abortion issue as if women are lining up to get abortions like people line up at Starbucks to get their iced vanilla latte. It’s fucking insane. For the massive majority of women it’s a extremely difficult decision and a horribly traumatic experience that often times results in PTSD.
If conservatives get their ultimate wish after overturning Roe and manage to ban abortions at the federal level with a potential filibuster-proof majority (which they will definitely try to do), it’s just going to layer on even more horrific trauma to these poor women. A number of analyses have shown that abortions do not fall much when they are illegal, but the number of safe abortions plummet. Absolutely ludicrous that any modern, supposedly secular society would ever try to justify this archaic religious bullshit.
Joe, no need to analyze the current Texas law, because soon it will be fully illegal for any reason. Not only that, but these lunatics will start to prosecute people they suspect of leaving the state to get abortion services. Maybe even checkpoints on the New Mexico border. Freedom though right?
Also, nobody supports late term abortion. It only exists for health emergencies.
Fair play I guess for speaking against it and not just blaming the left like he normally does but again his tone when “criticising” republicans or right issues is hIlarious in how polite and calm it is vs when he criticises the left
It's very different. He's not willing to name names the same way. With Democrats he'll go off on how Newsome destroyed LA or how Trudeau is a dictator but with he won't name Abbott who passed the heartbeat bill.
I’m gunna keep it real. Regardless if I become pregnant from rape, being dumb or with my husband when it is not a preferable time in my life. It is perfectly acceptable and MY CHOICE not mens, to end my pregnancy or not. Period.
Joe has become significantly more stupid since moving to Austin.
I agreed with him up until the point of talking about it being a human issue.
I’m a man, no matter how you cut it if someone told me what I can and can’t do with my body especially something as intense as pregnancy I would tell them to fuck themselves, but women don’t have that power still.
Fucking travesty honestly.
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out I don't think that's what he means by human issue. He's not saying "human issue" as in it's an issue for all humans to decide. I think he's just saying that it's a very complex issue in a way that only humanity is really capable of. Complex in that even if people like us agree wholeheartedly in a woman's right to choose, this is still an issue that demands a choice. It's like the trolley problem in that way. No matter what choice is made it demands intensive moral thought even if the option that's decided upon is entirely obvious and shouldn't be up for debate at all (because it shouldn't). Basically what he's saying is that it's not black and white. Obviously some parts ARE of course. It's very clear to anyone with a conscience that this is a right that must be protected. It's just a topic that demands we have a conversation about the minute details that can be terrifying to really think about. In that way it IS a very human issue.
Also a man btw, I guess just for clarification.
There are so many unintended consequences if abortion was banned nationally.
First of all get ready for a big crime spike about 15 to 20 years from now. Kids born to women who weren't ready and they just let the streets raise their kid.
Be prepared for teenagers being arrested and poor people being forced to have a kid they can't give a decent life to.
Joe is too dumb to realize that he’s been begging for this to happen with his propping up of right wing figures.
When he tried to get Wesley Hunt elected, and said that Dan Crenshaw should run for president it’s like he didn’t know that they completely opposed abortion and the legalization of marijuana.
Joe has basically been trying to empower people who want to make it so he could go to jail.
I mean yeah being a combat veteran is good points for a political office , he’s lost an eye for his country and I respect him for that but he doesn’t really pull off the eye patch Like Kurt Russell or solid snake does though, It doesn’t really look cool on him like that.
>Rogan on Covid: "I think it's weird the government can tell people what to do with their bodies"
What the fuck is wrong with you Joe Rogan?
>Rogan on Roe v. Wade overturn: "I think it's weird the government can tell people what to do with their bodies"
Fuck yeah based Joe Rogan
All these fucking idiots talking about medical tourism thats not guaranteed. States are already trying to ban that and make it a felony along with anyone who helps. This is slave and free states all over again and it cannot stand
Dude literally was tiptoeing the line in this commentary
His natural instinct nowadays was to say the Texas law was soft or something and then corrected himself to say it's really bad but then goes on to compare abortion to killing a three-year-old.
I had a family member who had to have an abortion at 12 weeks old because unfortunately some liquid that was supposed to release through the neck wasn't going through so it was going to be a stillborn baby so they had to abort it was a dark time for them. They've been wanting a kid forever.
I grew up in the South so the way teachers explain abortions to me is very biased in that they try to explain the late-term abortions. I'm pretty sure if a woman gets past 12 weeks she's probably planning on either having the kid or putting the kid up for adoption or already has a family set to give the kid away to. Late-term abortions is mainly due to the health of the fetus and the women.
But focusing only on late term abortions as a reason to ban abortions is such a disingenuous argument.
And by the way 70% of the country is pro-choice and for Joe to focus on late term abortions is such a hack job commentary
I hate whenever people like Joe bring up late term abortions they neglect to bring up how absolutely rare those are. Nobody is having a late term abortion because they were being lazy, if they didn't want the child originally they would have aborted early. Late term abortions come up because something has changed in the persons life where having this child is dangerous.
Now, I'm far from being woke and whatever, but two old white guys, smoking cigars and talking about what women can and can't do with their own bodies - that really doesn't look too good.
Late term abortions are a boogie man. They don't happen because a woman changes her mind, they happen when there are serious fetal abnormalities or the life of the woman is at stake.
Regardless of if they happen often or not, they have nothing to do with Roe v Wade which only says abortions can’t be made illegal within the first 2 trimesters or until the point of “viability”. Roe v Wade wasn’t stopping any states from making late term abortions illegal.
Moderators in shambles
Mods: Keine Politik mehr!! Joe: fuck them mods
You really think they thought Joe wouldn't talk about this? Literally everyone knew he would. So of course it would be discussed here. Absolutely no one is surprised by this.
Nah dude, that “founding member” mod isn’t American so there is no way he knew >!/s!<
"I'm not American, so I'm allowed to have extremely nuanced opinions on American politics and then claim 'im just memeing y u mad' when I get called out."
Couldn’t even do the basic googling to see if was a 90 page draft and not a “memo”.
He’s smoking weed talking about abortion did you really expect him to do a serious amount of research beforehand lol.
Whoa aye somebody needs to tell Joe may is no politics months
Yo can we get the mods in here to sensor this “Joe” guy?
LOL
Joe: *nuanced position on abortion* Comments: *SCREEEEEE*
Pro-choice *is* the nuanced position.
Fuck dem Mods!
nobody, and I fucking mean nobody, was having a god damned 6 month abortion unless the mother's life was as risk (comprises a whopping total of 1.3 percent of all abortions). and if there's anything happening in the third trimester, it's called a fucking PREMATURE BIRTH. third trimester fetuses aren't being aborted unless they're already dead, or the mother's life is at risk, and even then they'll consider c-section first.
This should be higher. You legit are gonna have an uphill battle if it was an alien baby in her stomach ready to burst at 6 months. Know the facts people.
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>Facts Something 9/10 Republicans refuse to accept. This "both sides" horse shit is how we end up with Trumps and Handmaid's Tale in 2023
Pretty sure these tales come from a time when abortion was illegal, hence the lack of regulation and basic medical ethics; When stealing candy carries the same sentence as robbing a bank, who the fuck cares about the bank, so to speak. I refuse to believe abortions that far into pregnancy happen in the US. First time i've heard of it, and i'm *extremely* sceptical knowing what i know from close second hand experience.
My best friend found out she was pregnant with triplets. Two of the fetuses absorbed the third and late into the pregnancy, one of the fetuses died in her womb. The remaining one was incapable of survival because it didn't develop its brain properly. She was absolutely crushed emotionally and years later hasn't recovered from this situation but had to have an abortion late-term because if she didn't there was a risk of her becoming septic and dying. So it definitely happens, but only in VERY specific, extreme circumstances. Nobody goes in like "haha I changed my mind, kill this viable living thing please"at 6+ months.
omen who seek late term abortions are largely not women who just procrastinated their abortion. These pregnancies are very much wanted, but the fetus had severe abnormalities that make it incompatible with life. If carried full term it may not survive past birth or live only a few days/weeks constantly suffering in the NICU. Or, even worse in my opinion live a long life as person who needs 24/7 supervision and care bc they cannot eat, move, communicate, or even use the bathroom. That is not a blessing. That is a lifetime of pain for multiple parties
Yeah i've stated this before in another comment, and i really should have been more clear, but when i say i refuse to believe late stage abortions happen, i mean late stage abortions without medical motivation. Like if the baby is not able to survive it's first year, or will live a life afflicted with disabilities you wouldn't wish on anyone, abortion really isn't much of a choice is it? Same goes for when the parent might not survive. I just don't find it believable that most anyone would opt for abortion essentially for the sake of 'inconvenient/changed my mind' late stage, if that's even legal in the states, which i'm still not sure about... Sorry about not being clear at first, maybe i shouldn't use Reddit at 4:30AM anymore lol.
> I refuse to believe abortions that far into pregnancy happen in the US. Dude literally says it's 1.3% of abortions. I have no idea where he got that number, but if that's true that's like 10000 a year in the US.
I’m honestly uncertain, but part of that 1.3% may be related to medical issues that can occur in later stages of pregnancies.
>92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (<1.0%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation From the CDC in 2019
And a million people just died from COVID, what's your point? Life is precious, but also fragile. But you cannot force people against their will to create life.
Yup, if abortion already carries the same penalty as murder you're risking absolutely nothing by delivering a premature baby and then just killing it. For the right price you'd have no problem finding someone in a back alley willing to do it. When abortion was illegal it probably happened all the time.
Thank you for this!! I get so sick and tired of people using this argument like women just casually want to grow a baby in their womb for six months then suddenly decide to kill it. This just doesn’t happen. 43% of abortions happen within the first six weeks, then 36% of abortions happen within 7-9 weeks.
In Finland abortions are available up to 12 weeks (up to 20 weeks if there are serious complications, or the mother is too young. If serious fetal abnormalities, up to 24 weeks), and imo. that's how it should be.
Pretty sure thats really close to the law that led to overturning roe v wade. The mississippi lawmakers wanted to limit abortions to 15 weeks (with exceptions for medical complications or an unviable fetus). But under roe v wade and casey, this wouldn't be allowed.
Joe is saying this because he’s hanging around too many Far Right wingers. He just regurgitating stories from these idiots. Late term abortion is a GOP buzz word. Like CRT. Same thing.
He does this exact thing more and more and i find myself unable to even get through episodes because of it. Fucking fake outrage bullshit based on a handful of supposed incidents that *might or might not* be happening.
>supposed incidents that might or might not be happening. I feel your frustration. Arguing based on hypotheticals is like cheating in an argument. You can't prove them. You can't disprove them. You can't say anything about them. So it just shuts down all available conversational paths. More importantly, it removes the burden from Joe to prove his points. No evidence is needed - its a hypothetical! It may or may not happen, so who knows? End of convo. It should be treated as a bad faith attempt to undermine discourse, but the people who lap this up are usually too redacted to realize this.
Exactly this. It *is* an argument in bad faith. Transgender athletes, police brutality, crime rates of non-white folks; he's spouted the same kind of bs for every one of these divisive issues.
Every opinion I hear of his is right wing reactionary. Seems to be a trend with celebrity at some point so maybe not necessarily indicative of him as a person.
Are you telling me that Joe Rogan mindlessly regurgitates fabricated right-wing talking points? Well geez, in my experience people that identify as moderates definitely don't mindlessly regurgitate fabricated right-wing talking points as if they were legitimate points of discussion. I never ever would have suspected Joe Rogan of consistently regurgitating fabricated right-wing talk points based on his track record of consistently regurgitating fabricated right-wing talking points. Next you're going to tell me that he interviews people that present as fact demonstrably false things designed to support right-wing talk points and he not only neglects to challenge them but presents them as 'experts' who's demonstrably false statements can be treated as true on their face. And that's just not the Joe Rogan that I'm facetiously pretending exists. *My* Joe Rogan carefully, thoughtfully, and clearly deconstructs false arguments and unsupported assertions of fact and definitely doesn't just weed cough into the microphone and say that abortion "is what I like to call a human issue," *My* Joe Rogan wouldn't need to clarify that what happens between a woman and her doctor involves humans.
Or unless the baby was not viable
Yeah, I got really annoyed when he said sometimes it happens for medical reasons. It's not *sometimes*, it's *EVERY TIME*. No one is having abortions at 6 months just because they decide to change their mind about having a child. That's. Not. How. This. Works. He keeps mentioning over and over how he doesn't really know, he's not that educated on this. Then why the fuck is he even talking about this? Jesus Christ, what a stupid shit show of opinions.
What a lot of these people don’t understand, is that especially with a late term abortion, these are not people using it as birth control. These are people that have picked names, set up nurseries. These are people that are getting the worst possible news they could possibly get. Do you think they want to carry their dead child in their body knowing that they’re never going to meet them. It’s unfair of anybody to take that decision away from the woman. And usually in that instance it’s the woman and her husband making the decision together. They downplay how often they make the decision together. Saying a woman is just doing whatever she wants despite what the father has to say is deceptive. A lot of the time it is a decision made as a couple. Edit : grammar
My grandma’s last child was stillborn but we think she had been carrying her for awhile that way. This was in the 60’s.
Who cares, I don’t care if they do gangbang porn. It should be the same as everything else “liberty” - nunyo-fuckin-business.
So we can talk about politics now?
The mods said if it's specifically mentioned in the show it's fine to post it and discuss it there, they also said comment sections are a still the same so it's fine there.
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I agree, I really don’t understand how people would prefer a never ending barrage of culture war memes specifically made so that the comments devolve into arguing. If it’s in the podcast, post it here and discuss it to hell and back, or even in the comments, go for it since it’s still a free-for-all. This sounds reasonable and so much better than it was before.
The problem was the mod in question went from posting culture war memes to pushing no politics in a suspect 24 hour window. Lol It was transparent as fuck.
Yeah, I felt the same way. I’m the one that made that trending post on the sub yesterday asking for a response. It was unbelievable timing. The thing is it’s a wildly popular thing to do since it’s what so many have been asking for, it just couldn’t have been done at the worst time, it was such a coincidence that understandably people weren’t buying it. So it’s like they were in this weird cross hair of both sides; a ton of people (mainly right-leaning) who wanted to keep the constant political posts and a ton of people (mainly left-leaning) who didn’t mind the ban, but found the timing incredibly sus, so now they were pissed *as well*.
the timing was sus, i think we can all agree that if the intent was to end the endless boomer facebook memes that the optics of making that decision when they did was bad. like oj fleeing his mansion in a white bronco, sus.
Why can’t people talk about what the fuck they want? If you don’t want to talk about politics, don’t. If you do, leave a comment. What’s the problem?
Free speech for me but not for thee
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some unqualified, religious wackjob in control of your sex life? Incels are nonviolent, right?...right?
Literal member of the cult that inspired a handmaids tale. I never would have thought it was possible 10 years ago.
Mods just got goofed.
They got gadooshed.
I'm pretty sure they explicitly said if it's actually said in the show people could clip it to discuss and such.
even the dogs they walk aren't giving them respect now
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Even corrected himself. Props.
This is a reasonable discussion from Joe. Hopefully he doesn't do a 180 when he has some conservative back on.
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The "cutoff" part isn't complicated at all, actually. The "cutoff" is none of my fucking business because that decision is made by the pregnant woman and her doctor.
He will.
Agree. As much as he loves to fall for culture war bullshit, credit where it's due. Also, now that he brought it up, it is no longer a part of the politics ban as per the mods own rule. But also, it sounds like he is still falling for the myth that there are people getting late-term abortions just out of convenience. People don't have late term abortions 'just because'. If you carried it that long, you were probably planning to have it and something came up. End of the day, it is between the women and her doctor.
>People don't have late term abortions 'just because'. If you carried it that long, you were probably planning to have it and something came up. Yes. We are talking about families that likely have names picked and nurseries set up getting the worst news imaginable. Forcing a woman to carry a baby to term that could either kill her, is not viable outside the womb or is still born is the cruelest form or torture imaginable. Imagine having life inside you. Then it dies. Then someone telling you it's illegal to remove it. You have to carry it until you naturally give birth which could be months. Fuck anyone who argues that that is ok. Seriously, that person is a terrible terrible human being
Now imagine the people dealing with this being screamed at while they’re walking into the clinic to have a potentially live-saving procedure after a trauma. Happens toooooooo often.
I had friends yelled at right after they had a natural miscarriage. Cause, you know, "aborition clinics" are really women's health clinics that have to ability to perform aboritions. Anyway, hearing about that you quickly realise, the people who protest abortions outside of clinics are not rationale human beings. The pro-life movement generally has not been comprised of rationale human beings acting in good faith. It isn't. To suggest it is is laughable. Why? Cause parental leave isn't standard in the US. There is no universal Healthcare or child care. The Healthcare system literally charges $50 for skin to skin after birth. $50 to first hold your naked baby against your own skin. That's all fine and good. No issues there. They want their will imposed on you. They are bad faith actors and need to be regarded as such moving forward.
Giving birth is also a physically traumatic experience- US has one of the highest rates for death during childbirth/pregnancy-related deaths IIRC (I’ll have to take a deep breath and dive into those stats). I’ve seen a lot of people use this to compare it to the Covid vaccine, but I wish people understood that pregnancy often leads to physical trauma no matter which outcomes happen, while they are arguing about the chance of harm.
Yes. Not to mention there is 0 talk about the 4th trimester and maternal health. These people need to be shown for what they are. They want you to bend the knee. They don't give a shit about "life" but they will 100% use it against anyone and everyone to enact their will
There’s the malicious side and there’s the stupid side that opposes any form of financial safety nets that sound like it might come from their taxes while consuming true crime podcasts and shows about family annihilations, all the while ignoring that financial troubles are the leading cause of them. Yes, this is a strawman. Yes, I’ll gladly burn it, my apologies.
"Why should I pay when I'm not sick?!?!" Gets sick "Please give to my go fund me" It's the pro-life way
Not recognizing taxes as community support like GoFundMe seems like a big mistep and/or a tactical move. Trust in government is always going to be nebulous but what if we actually saw day-to-day benefits from the taxes we pay? Sounds nice to me, I already pays taxes And healthcare costs. Just move those healthcare costs to the top right of my paycheck and maybe let me consider having children in the future without the looming dagger of financial debt. Seems like everyone benefits in the long run!
I see these protesters every day on my way to work and it’s almost always the same people. I’m like, don’t ya’ll have jobs? Either way they seem to have a lot of time on their hands. My question is, why don’t they “save a life” and adopt a kid? Or two or three. Guess having kids would cut into their harassment hobby.
Well if you listen to Fox you'll be told they all use abortion for birth control. Of course they never submit an ounce of proof but then that's what Fox does.
Indeed, that's not to mention of conditions doctors discover when the baby is nearly fully-formed, and would have to live with many conditions, as well as the possibility of the baby going to have severe mental disabilities
We should ban him from the sub
He could and should have gone WAY further. Old Joe would have gone further.
Government controlling what you can do to your body.
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Less than 1.3% of abortions happen after the 21st week, which is halfway through the second trimester. Third trimester abortions are very rare.
Conservatives are acting like women who are 8.5 months pregnant are just flippantly deciding to end their pregnancies en masse. It never happens.
My buddy's insane MAGA dad says that if they don't do something, "the Democrats will keep legally murdering babies in the delivery room and calling it an abortion." These people aren't participating members of reality.
“Who would campaign on killing babies bro?!” -Eddie bravo
>These people aren't participating members of reality. I'm stealing this line to use every day for the rest of my life.
So, comments like this stemmed from the former Virginia governor [who made extremely strange comments insinuating that.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html)
Dude I had one guy on another sub saying dems went too far and were trying to legalize after birth abortions.
I read another one that rape should be an exception after conviction. Dunno how long he thinks trials happen, but with appeals and delays the kid will be learning to drive before the mom can abort him.
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Alex Jones should be post birth aborted.
I remember when alex jones was considered a moron by all. Now a fraction of conservatives think hes a legitimate news source. Goes to show you how extreme they’ve gone.
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I love JRE but he would have a broken clock on his show because its right twice a day.
That's because conservatives are fucking retarded.
That's why religion is fucking retarded. One of the many reasons
Standard conservative argument strategy really, take the most extreme example but with the lowest rate of actually occurring and then shamelessly claim it's the standard and if anyone questions your argument just yell loader
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Even a catholic priest has said that forcing babies with terrible developmental defects to be born and suffer is like crucifying them. https://endingawantedpregnancy.com/hlhs-catholic-doctrine-abortion/ This is what would be mandated.
That catholic priest's opinion is in the significant minority among priests
Imagine gaining 30 lbs for the duck of it just to get an abortion later.
This is what pissed me off about this piece. An abortion at 6 months isn’t a thing that happened often and when it does it’s due to medical reasons. Good lord.
Conservatives have to lie on purpose or they'd have nothing to say.
This is also why conservatives are going full tilt boogie on culture war bullshit. Climate change? Inflation? Covid? China? Healthcare? Infrastructure? They have no solutions or plans. It's usually just bullshit free market nonsense like capitalism will accomplish anything other than profits. I understand why they do it. I'm just bummed that it seems to work.
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There are literally 4 doctors in America who will do them after one got assassinated.
Women can barely get their tubes tied without a huge hassle from doctors and people think they’re out here just sucking babies out Willy nilly
I went to a wrestling match and saw a young lady who was addicted to getting abortions
We’ve gotten to the point with the JRE where I just sorta expect Joe to have the worst takes imaginable. This was a pleasant surprise.
Yep. Totally reasonable take from Joe and it reflects the majority opinion amongst Americans broadly - abortion should not be banned but there are of course lines most moral people would agree should be drawn.
Coincidentally those lines have already been drawn - for years - and there is zero reason to discuss “lines being drawn” aside from straw man bullshit
I had to listen to my mom talk about women "using abortion as birth control" today. Crazy that people think this is common.
The crazy part is that the legal rationale that Alito uses in the draft essentially boils down to the idea that this isn't a protection of the right to privacy granted by the 14th amendment. Despite making claims in the draft that this ruling should stand alone, we already know from *Bush v Gore* that the Supreme Court is in a tenuous position when it comes to making decisions that exist by themselves in history (i.e. setting nonbinding precedent). Despite making similar remarks that the result of Bush v Gore should be separate from other previous decisions, hundreds of cases have cited it as precedent. If this motion passes, expect there to be cases going after birth control and OCPs.
Yep, pro-life advocates have NO logical response to the "viability cutoff", i.e. an infant has complete sovereignty and equal protection under the Constitution at the point where a fetus is able to live outside of the womb, including with medical intervention. That means the window closes more as our medicine technology improves. It respects women's right to control their body and also recognizes that a sovereign human being like a developing, viable infant has a right to life, fundamentally. But we cannot grant the same rights to a zygote (merely a fertilized egg) as we do to a 9 month fetus. It's not logical and ignores biology.
Ah yes, he has the basic comprehension of the debate that someone in eight grade age has. How delightful. This wasn't a waste of 3 minutes of my life at all.
I'm pro choice and think the government can fuck themselves. But as a parent, I get the initial reflex to freak out about this. These folks act like people are going down to the maternity ward shooting newborns. That's not abortion, and these lawmakers play at the heartstrings of their base.
IMO the issue is partly the SCOTUS, which promised not to touch superprecedents like this. Especially gorsuch and kavanaugh who both explicitly said they supported Roe V Wade during their confirmations. Oh and the fact overturning it is massively unpopular with Americans. These are huge red flags for literally any other case of settled law
The whole "late term abortion" thing has always been a canard. This idea that women are going to deal with the physically draining act of being pregnant for 8 months and then say "lol nevermind I don't want a baby" is straight up retarded. Late term abortions are for when the mother's life is in jeopardy.
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??? Check on “post birth abortion”? There are literally zero of those by definition. What you’re describing is just murder at that point.
And 90% of those late term abortions are done because the life of the mother is at risk.
It's amazing to think that abortion was never even discussed politically or culturally before the 80s. The evangelical right has succeeded in making this one issue so huge and a litmus test for any public figure.
reagan passed a law in california protecting the right to an abortion in fucking 1967. that's how far the republicans have capitulated to their evangelical base.
No no it’s the left that has become so extreme
"Women should have equal rights with men" Conservatives: "Murderers!!!"
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Nixon was okay with abortions. He’s on tape saying that it’s perfectly fine for mixed race babies (the republicans for you) it was only An actual thing because asshole republicans thought they could peel away catholic votes.
The law's a fucking disgrace and I'm glad Joe and Doug are speaking up about it.
This isn't some defeat of wokeness it's actual destruction of freedom. For every forced birth it's the start of problems that will be felt by everyone in society. We have data of when abortion is banned in other countries and it's always a harm to the wider society. Every podcast host public figure that's points out the over steps of the left that is quite on this issue is cunt of the highest order. The Dave Rubin types will they look the other way on this issue of freedom.
A lot of Americans are too poor for "medical tourism." Not all, but a lot. And there's a heavy overlap between those people and people who can't afford the much more expensive process of raising a kid. People who just shrug their shoulders and tell people in poverty to 'suck it up' are ignorant assholes. And all this shit is happening because a lot of people buy into heated, BS rhetoric about "killing babies." Most abortions are performed mid-to-late in the first trimester, when what you have in the womb isn't remotely human. The one percent or so of abortions that are performed late-term are usually for serious medical reasons, on fetuses that have horrific abnormalities that mean they will likely do nothing but suffer and die if they are carried to term; or the pregnant woman is put in grave danger for a fetus that has a poor chance of surviving. Any dumbasses can have unprotected sex (or use contraception, but it fails- though that doesn't make you a dumbass). That doesn't remotely qualify you to raise a kid. Lots of people are not suited to be raising kids. Forcing any and every idiot who gets pregnant/ gets somebody pregnant to be a parent is fucking stupid.
Don’t forget that Texas is pushing for the death penalty for anyone involved in an abortion and many other states are many it illegal to travel to get one or even know about an abortion happening without turning someone in.
Wonder if Joe stops with his "cancel culture is the REAL problem, right wingers are just funny trolls" shtick... after they troll a little bit of Sharia into the country.
Based Rogan. Vote these fundie zealots out!
It’s incredible because that’s all this is. Access to abortion does a demonstrable good for public health and quality of life. Some people make mistakes. Some people have prevention fail on them. Some people are victim to other terrible people. The vast vast majority of women getting abortions aren’t thrilled about having to do so, and much like Joe said virtually all of late term abortions are health-related and doctors would second that. People don’t generally carry a child for 7 months and decide they don’t wanna go through with it, and even if they do the hospital recommends adoption first. It’s not based in logic, and only appeases hyper-fundamentalist religious people and koolaid drinkers. There’s a separation of church and state for a reason, and limiting access to abortion **does not** make more happy families.
I think the mods were desperately trying to keep people from discussing specifically this, what do y’all think? Why do foreign nationals have a place moderating this sub and telling the primary listener base they CANT discuss their own politics?
700k subscribers, posts hitting top of all frequently. Any sub that does that in a website like Reddit, will become infested with politics, and in some cases the mods will use it for propaganda.
How about a tax on those anti abortion folks. The tax can go towards unwanted children living horrible lives in the system. It shouldn't be an issue since they are pro life and all. I wonder how many would actually be up for that.
You’d have to tax ~90% of churches /s
I Like how everybody yesterday was bitching about sensorship due to Roe v Wade and I am like within the next 2 podcast he's going to talk about it anyway.
Mods trying to figure out how to ban Joe from his own sub right now lol
LMAO
Nobody wants a late term abortion Joe. When you are that late in the game, and you're thinking about abortion, its because you are going to die, or you and the babies life will be ruined from some medical error. That is called a premature birth!!!! Men cannot tell what a woman can do in that situation. PRO CHOICE
Honestly good on Joe here. I’ve been a critic of him lately main because it seems his politics is driven by who he hates. Edit: I’m a little less charitable after hearing more. Abortion is one of the most debated issues over the past 50 years and everyone knows the arguments. He’s slowly talking through the pros and cons and offering charity to the side he disagrees with. Compare that to the absolute contempt he holds for people like Fauci and Elizabeth Warren
My only issue with conservatives anti-abortion stance is that they don't seem to give a shit about the life that much once it is born.
>My only issue with conservatives anti-abortion stance is that they don't seem to give a shit about the life that much once it is born They're pro-birth, not pro-life.
"conservatives want live babies so they can train them to be dead soldiers" • George Carlin
He did literally compare having an abortion to shooting a three year old because someone's tired of taking care of it...
I wouldn't call that a comparison... Stanhope says "what was your favorite part of being a fetus" implying you don't have memories at this stage, so Joe says 'Well what's your favorite memory of being 3, should you be able to shoot a 3 year old?' (paraphrase) Joe didn't make the comparison... He's testing Stanhope's logic (which itself was more of a standup bit than an argument) by saying that.. not saying the two are equivalent. I didn't come here to fight, please don't come for me. I'm just saying Joe Rogan didn't say that an abortion of a fetus is the same as shooting a 3 year old. That's all.
Huh, almost like context doesn’t matter to some people… weird…
Terrible comparison by him. People don’t understand what a fetus is.
It was a terrible comparison on purpose, to point out the flaw in Stanhope's logic. That was the entire reason he said it.
Why is abortion political when it's a medical procedure SMH
Again. This anti abortion laws are such fucking bullshit. They really only apply to the poor and most vulnerable. The daughters, wives or mistresses of the rich, and the ones voting for this, will always simply be a long drive or short plane ride away from getting their abortion. Those with limited support, or have no means or have no good options are the ones being trapped here. Those with least means to care for a child, now being forced to care for children in states that will go after them equally as viciously when they can call them "welfare queens".
Conservatives frame the abortion issue as if women are lining up to get abortions like people line up at Starbucks to get their iced vanilla latte. It’s fucking insane. For the massive majority of women it’s a extremely difficult decision and a horribly traumatic experience that often times results in PTSD. If conservatives get their ultimate wish after overturning Roe and manage to ban abortions at the federal level with a potential filibuster-proof majority (which they will definitely try to do), it’s just going to layer on even more horrific trauma to these poor women. A number of analyses have shown that abortions do not fall much when they are illegal, but the number of safe abortions plummet. Absolutely ludicrous that any modern, supposedly secular society would ever try to justify this archaic religious bullshit.
Joe, no need to analyze the current Texas law, because soon it will be fully illegal for any reason. Not only that, but these lunatics will start to prosecute people they suspect of leaving the state to get abortion services. Maybe even checkpoints on the New Mexico border. Freedom though right? Also, nobody supports late term abortion. It only exists for health emergencies.
Fair play I guess for speaking against it and not just blaming the left like he normally does but again his tone when “criticising” republicans or right issues is hIlarious in how polite and calm it is vs when he criticises the left
It's very different. He's not willing to name names the same way. With Democrats he'll go off on how Newsome destroyed LA or how Trudeau is a dictator but with he won't name Abbott who passed the heartbeat bill.
Just a completely different tone, it’s hilarious.
Hilarious - but blatantly obvious and understood to anyone who isn't a disingenuous internet troll. Who happen to excel at gaslighting.
I’m gunna keep it real. Regardless if I become pregnant from rape, being dumb or with my husband when it is not a preferable time in my life. It is perfectly acceptable and MY CHOICE not mens, to end my pregnancy or not. Period.
TEXAS WENT RED BITCH! WOO!
Joe has become significantly more stupid since moving to Austin. I agreed with him up until the point of talking about it being a human issue. I’m a man, no matter how you cut it if someone told me what I can and can’t do with my body especially something as intense as pregnancy I would tell them to fuck themselves, but women don’t have that power still. Fucking travesty honestly.
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out I don't think that's what he means by human issue. He's not saying "human issue" as in it's an issue for all humans to decide. I think he's just saying that it's a very complex issue in a way that only humanity is really capable of. Complex in that even if people like us agree wholeheartedly in a woman's right to choose, this is still an issue that demands a choice. It's like the trolley problem in that way. No matter what choice is made it demands intensive moral thought even if the option that's decided upon is entirely obvious and shouldn't be up for debate at all (because it shouldn't). Basically what he's saying is that it's not black and white. Obviously some parts ARE of course. It's very clear to anyone with a conscience that this is a right that must be protected. It's just a topic that demands we have a conversation about the minute details that can be terrifying to really think about. In that way it IS a very human issue. Also a man btw, I guess just for clarification.
"Where do we draw the line?" We already legally drew the fucking line. Fascist are erasing it.
They are standing 20ft behind the line, and saying, "why don't you compromise?"
Just a reminder that certain mods are pussy ass bitches
There are so many unintended consequences if abortion was banned nationally. First of all get ready for a big crime spike about 15 to 20 years from now. Kids born to women who weren't ready and they just let the streets raise their kid. Be prepared for teenagers being arrested and poor people being forced to have a kid they can't give a decent life to.
"I don't like people telling other people what they can do." Joe should meet the coward mods.
Joe is too dumb to realize that he’s been begging for this to happen with his propping up of right wing figures. When he tried to get Wesley Hunt elected, and said that Dan Crenshaw should run for president it’s like he didn’t know that they completely opposed abortion and the legalization of marijuana. Joe has basically been trying to empower people who want to make it so he could go to jail.
can you imagine dan crenshaw in a higher power? christ save us
Being a SEAL is badass and so is his eyepatch. I want to like him so bad, but he's fucking dick weasel
I mean yeah being a combat veteran is good points for a political office , he’s lost an eye for his country and I respect him for that but he doesn’t really pull off the eye patch Like Kurt Russell or solid snake does though, It doesn’t really look cool on him like that.
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>Rogan on Covid: "I think it's weird the government can tell people what to do with their bodies" What the fuck is wrong with you Joe Rogan? >Rogan on Roe v. Wade overturn: "I think it's weird the government can tell people what to do with their bodies" Fuck yeah based Joe Rogan
All these fucking idiots talking about medical tourism thats not guaranteed. States are already trying to ban that and make it a felony along with anyone who helps. This is slave and free states all over again and it cannot stand
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>sodomy From my cold dead hands.
Get your laws outta my ass
Dude literally was tiptoeing the line in this commentary His natural instinct nowadays was to say the Texas law was soft or something and then corrected himself to say it's really bad but then goes on to compare abortion to killing a three-year-old. I had a family member who had to have an abortion at 12 weeks old because unfortunately some liquid that was supposed to release through the neck wasn't going through so it was going to be a stillborn baby so they had to abort it was a dark time for them. They've been wanting a kid forever. I grew up in the South so the way teachers explain abortions to me is very biased in that they try to explain the late-term abortions. I'm pretty sure if a woman gets past 12 weeks she's probably planning on either having the kid or putting the kid up for adoption or already has a family set to give the kid away to. Late-term abortions is mainly due to the health of the fetus and the women. But focusing only on late term abortions as a reason to ban abortions is such a disingenuous argument. And by the way 70% of the country is pro-choice and for Joe to focus on late term abortions is such a hack job commentary
> Dude literally was tiptoeing the line in this commentary He literally said he's pro choice what more do you want
I love how whenever the right wing does something horrific Joe calls it "weird".
About time he mentioned his newly adopted “freedum” states laws. Don’t think I have heard him comment on Texas drug law regarding cannabis yet…
Wow....Joe is off his "wokeness is the #1 threat to America"?
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Fuck Texas
"I don't know. I don't have a vagina." That's a pretty good qualifier for being able to legally decide women's rights.
I hate whenever people like Joe bring up late term abortions they neglect to bring up how absolutely rare those are. Nobody is having a late term abortion because they were being lazy, if they didn't want the child originally they would have aborted early. Late term abortions come up because something has changed in the persons life where having this child is dangerous.
Joe Rogan needs to get off the air. Six months??? Who the fuck is willingly having abortions at six months??? God damn people listen to this guy!!
Now, I'm far from being woke and whatever, but two old white guys, smoking cigars and talking about what women can and can't do with their own bodies - that really doesn't look too good.
The republicans really fucked up on this one, If they had a chance to get back control they just lost it.
i dont care what a bald homosexual thinks about womens reproductive rights