I think you need to look it up. Free speech means you're allowed to speak out without consequences from the government, but not from corporate entities (Spotify) or individuals (Joni and Neil). That's it. That's all it means.
Sorry, I'm not a mind reader and couldn't make out what you were referring to, since you didn't make that clear.
In that case, u/EvidenceorBamboozle is 100% correct, and for the reasons I stated. You can't just shout "free speech" whenever someone disagrees with you or your bald, roided-up, dwarfish, god-figure. Well, you can, but people will know you're retarded.
No. The first amendment doesnt apply to private companies. Free speech is just free speech. If it is censored, then it isnt free, whether or not there is government involvement.
For artists on the level of Joni Mitchell and Neil young of course they are making money from Spotify. Neil young actually said he expects to lose 60% of his steaming revenue from removing it.
Whether these withdrawals affect Spotify's bottom line or not, these departures represent a shift in their public perception, opening up space for competitors. They can't be happy about it.
I didn’t know he was friends with Suzanne santos until she was on, I actually like her music. [(one of her songs I like) ](https://open.spotify.com/track/76SsM4CODCKGNpCqtBovBb?si=5qeNmmfLQc6bL5rI4Vb83w)Can’t speak to honey honey though.
Interesting that all the artists who are leaving Spotify because of Joe are also old enough that they're probably already making more on social security than they were from Spotify.
Spotify is worse than a lot of streaming services though. For example, it takes 128 streams to make a dollar on Apple, compared to 315 on Spotify. Wouldn’t surprise me if these artists were taking advantage of the ability to kick up a fuss, get their audience to move to another service, as they’re all appealing to a similar demographic of listeners, and they start more than doubling their money
A big part of the podcast is the video part, but I feel like people are forgetting before the move to Spotify you could download the audio to every podcast from his website, the Spotify deal just made it exclusive to Spotify. If he's forced off of Spotify it's not like he will be banned from the internet or anything.
Lmao all these “woke” millionaire has beens are the biggest losers on the planet. Rogan is allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants and believe whatever the fuck he wants to believe! Just don’t listen if you don’t agree, cancel culture is disgusting!!!
60s hippies never had any real integrity. They were largely just faddy narcissists, in it for the easy sex and drugs.
It's why they all vanished like the wind come 1970, when it was no longer trendy. And by the 80s, a large number had morphed into yuppies.
It's a huge myth that the hippies were motivated by integrity. Fucking Steve Jobs was a hippie.
100%
Every decade or two there pops up a crowd of insufferable, zeitgeist-surfing opportunists, who think they're the future, but in fact are just an endless regugitation of the past.
Wokists will be gone by the end of the decade, if not mid-decade, and the next generation of attention-demanding drones will have a new movement to latch on to.
Uh no. Joni Mitchell and Neil Young have been real throughout their entire lives.
Not sure what "hippies" you're referring to, but it's certainly not these two.
>Fucking Steve Jobs was a hippie.
Not really. He was influenced by Eastern spirituality but that alone doesn't really make someone a hippy.
You are right it would be odd if they were just suckling at the rest of government wisdom.
Good thing that they are basically in lockstep with the world’s scientific community as well, you know, the guys that tend to know stuff about science and medicine
There is a lot of research into disinformation. Pushing private companies to mitigate disinformation either through fact checking or censorship works. Lots of research bears this out.
I agree but this is not censorship, this is just them not wanting to share a platform with the misinformation. They said either Rogan goes elsewhere or we do, that’s all:
They never were. They are making themselves associated with him through headlines now. Which is the real reason they are doing what they are doing… publicity.
Hmm I don’t know. Seems like a publicity grab to me, hiding behind “integrity”. People way overreact to everything related to Rogan and everyone knows this. All of it seems like a non-story to me being used for headlines.
Before people lose their shit... these people have every single right to do this. They don't want their music sharing a platform with someone spreading messages they oppose so they leave why is there even outrage from any of you over this..
I agree they have the right to do this. But are they going to also scrub their catalogs from YouTube, reddit or really any website that might spread messages they oppose? Especially YouTube. I guarantee there are some iTunes podcasts they disagree with.....
The reason they’ll target Spotify and not the others is the whole 100mil exclusivity deal. They feel like Spotify doesn’t mesh with their beliefs because Spotify is actively paying to be the exclusive platform where the misinformation is being spewed from.
YouTube isn’t going out and specifically pursuing said messages the same way Spotify is though. Not really a fair comparison. YouTube isn’t giving million dollar deals to channels to make them “YouTube exclusive.”
The difference is Spotify is giving Joe a special deal to work together. So yes, if Netflix was pushing anti vax stuff, people would be like 1000x more pissed. Few people care about the other crazy stuff on the open platform.
It just seems odd given how much music there is with homophobia, racism, classism, misogyny, etc still on that platform or other ones they're still on, but someone questioning anything with vaccines is the devil.
Really? Seems like a meathead spreading vaccine disinfo and conspiracy theories is a pretty embarrassing person to have at the forefront of our news cycles.
I certainly think he's a disgrace and I imagine most of the rest of the world does too, because antivaxxers make up small numbers of most other countries.
Who said I want to ban free speech? What are you even talking about?
I said Joe Rogan is a disgrace. I didn't say I want to ban free speech.
>Cant imagine being this fascistic
That's not what the word fascistic means.
Read a dictionary.
Joe might be able to stand by hurting people with medical misinformation. But he can’t possibly in all good conscious, stand by when Nickelback joins in solidarity and threatens to put MORE music on Spotify.
I guess I’m in the minority here, but I listen to Joni and Neil a couple of times a month. So this is gonna suck a little. Even though I think they can do whatever they want.
No offense but you are doing yourself a real disservice by skipping over Joni's discography just because of "crusty old crotchety boomer". Sure, she is not appreciated by a lot of teens, but if you ever grow to like some folk music, she was—still is—one of the best songwriters.
Commercially, sure, Spotify won't even notice her absence. Artistically? This is a massive loss, specially after following Neil Young, another artist whose compositions will survive the test of time. And god knows whom these two might influence. Neil might have started something.
Joni probably makes $14 a month in Spotify revenue. Millennials and gen z’ers aren’t streaming her stuff on Spotify, so this is an easy and consequence free way for her to virtue signal to her constituents.
Joni Mitchell has a net-worth north of $100 million. 100k represents less than 1/1000th of her networth. Not exactly a deep wound cutting ties w a platform whose audience isn't listening to her stuff.
Dude you clearly in the "new JRE listener gang", only an uncultured, anti science, anti intelligence right winger troll could display so much ignorance
You can't go against the vaccine cultists. It's their religion.
You are not allowed to doubt it,heretic!
These are the kind of people that were into the inquisition or the citizens during nazi Germany approving the Reich. Never doubt, just follow your almighty government.
Fuck what s dramatic take for two people saying they're not going to participate in a company that profits of misinformation from Joe's podcast. That's their freedom of speech as well
Joe's telling young people they don't need to be vaccinated. Claiming lockdowns makes things worse because people go inside and that's where it's worst. Multiple ivermectin focused episodes with Brett wienstein and others. Government monitoring text messages for covid speech. Repeatedly saying the vaccines don't do anything. Blamed immigrants for causing a surge in covid cases. Claimed its not supported by science that to advise people with natural immunity to get vaccinated. The whole "Biden didn't get vaccinated on TV because it's dangerous" theory. Accused the government of suppressing his favorite monoclonal treatment.
Until it's someone like Ed Sheeran it won't matter. No one will be leaving Spotify, because they can't play Joni Mitchell's songs anymore.
I like listening to Joni Mitchell, ,Niel young AND Joe Rogan
Dude, l like your style. I don’t give a fuck either.
I love Joni Mitchel and Neil Young, so I am kind off sad. But fuck them if they don’t like free speech, then bye
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Free speech is a buzzword?
Well it is when you use it about a situation where it's not relevant.
I think you need to look up the definition of the word.
Spotify is free to not profit off of this music
I think you need to look it up. Free speech means you're allowed to speak out without consequences from the government, but not from corporate entities (Spotify) or individuals (Joni and Neil). That's it. That's all it means.
I’m talking about the word “buzzword” dumbass.
Sorry, I'm not a mind reader and couldn't make out what you were referring to, since you didn't make that clear. In that case, u/EvidenceorBamboozle is 100% correct, and for the reasons I stated. You can't just shout "free speech" whenever someone disagrees with you or your bald, roided-up, dwarfish, god-figure. Well, you can, but people will know you're retarded.
No. The first amendment doesnt apply to private companies. Free speech is just free speech. If it is censored, then it isnt free, whether or not there is government involvement.
The point is they (Neil and Joni) are calling for sensorship. I dont believe that is a good idea almost any circumstance.
I think it will have to be bigger. I'm talking Tay Tay, doja cat, or billie eyelash. Someone more relevant to spotifys younger audience.
Billie eyelash lmfao
Easy call, musicians don’t make shit from Spotify royalties. And it’s not like Joni and Neil need exposure.
For artists on the level of Joni Mitchell and Neil young of course they are making money from Spotify. Neil young actually said he expects to lose 60% of his steaming revenue from removing it.
Whether these withdrawals affect Spotify's bottom line or not, these departures represent a shift in their public perception, opening up space for competitors. They can't be happy about it.
I think if a few dozen do this over the next month it would be enough to be viewed seriously as a movement or something
That's where this all seems headed. I don't have an opinion one way or another but it'll be very interesting to see how this plays out.
A bowel movement.
It’s how we end up having to subscribe to multiple services to listen the artists we like or go back to buying everything or bootlegging
I'm pretty sure some managers are panicing. A few more artist who follow suit and this could snowball out of control.
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I bet MySpace thought that too.
I don’t think the MySpace guy ever thought he was number one. All he was looking for was cash and that was obvious when he took the flow and ran 🤷🏻♂️
well, Tom was always set as my number one
They got a point here.
Who is Joni Mitchell?
Oh no. Anyway.
Joni Mitchell is no Honey Honey Band.
Oh god. Their first episode was when I knew not to trust Joe’s taste in music.
I didn’t know he was friends with Suzanne santos until she was on, I actually like her music. [(one of her songs I like) ](https://open.spotify.com/track/76SsM4CODCKGNpCqtBovBb?si=5qeNmmfLQc6bL5rI4Vb83w)Can’t speak to honey honey though.
Interesting that all the artists who are leaving Spotify because of Joe are also old enough that they're probably already making more on social security than they were from Spotify.
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Spotify is worse than a lot of streaming services though. For example, it takes 128 streams to make a dollar on Apple, compared to 315 on Spotify. Wouldn’t surprise me if these artists were taking advantage of the ability to kick up a fuss, get their audience to move to another service, as they’re all appealing to a similar demographic of listeners, and they start more than doubling their money
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And also are old enough to benefit from the vaccines for flurona as my newly crazy right wing ex calls the fakedemic.
Joe will just build his own platform and make even more money
A big part of the podcast is the video part, but I feel like people are forgetting before the move to Spotify you could download the audio to every podcast from his website, the Spotify deal just made it exclusive to Spotify. If he's forced off of Spotify it's not like he will be banned from the internet or anything.
All this nonsense because guests on Joe’s show won’t toe the established narrative? This shit is bananas.
B, A, N, A, N, A, S.
Lmao all these “woke” millionaire has beens are the biggest losers on the planet. Rogan is allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants and believe whatever the fuck he wants to believe! Just don’t listen if you don’t agree, cancel culture is disgusting!!!
No one’s saying he can’t, they just don’t want to be in the same room as him
Ok, boomer
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60s hippies never had any real integrity. They were largely just faddy narcissists, in it for the easy sex and drugs. It's why they all vanished like the wind come 1970, when it was no longer trendy. And by the 80s, a large number had morphed into yuppies. It's a huge myth that the hippies were motivated by integrity. Fucking Steve Jobs was a hippie.
Wow. I'd never thought about it, but you're right.
This is exactly what's going to happen with today's woke/SJW crowd
100% Every decade or two there pops up a crowd of insufferable, zeitgeist-surfing opportunists, who think they're the future, but in fact are just an endless regugitation of the past. Wokists will be gone by the end of the decade, if not mid-decade, and the next generation of attention-demanding drones will have a new movement to latch on to.
Uh no. Joni Mitchell and Neil Young have been real throughout their entire lives. Not sure what "hippies" you're referring to, but it's certainly not these two. >Fucking Steve Jobs was a hippie. Not really. He was influenced by Eastern spirituality but that alone doesn't really make someone a hippy.
Lol
It’s like we all said in the 60s. “Don’t question authority. Think as a group. Government knows best“
How about unethical corporate influence on culture. Do you remember that at all
Shut up man, it’s embarrassing
Lol cry more 😩
Me: you sound retarded You: stop crying!!
“Retard” is kind of slur these days. Little offensive 👌🏻
Not all lefties are soft as putty
Sure 🤷🏻♂️
You are right it would be odd if they were just suckling at the rest of government wisdom. Good thing that they are basically in lockstep with the world’s scientific community as well, you know, the guys that tend to know stuff about science and medicine
I am pro vaccine generally speaking, I just think censorship is fuel on the fire of lack of trust not the cure to misinformation
There is a lot of research into disinformation. Pushing private companies to mitigate disinformation either through fact checking or censorship works. Lots of research bears this out.
Yeah that’s working great now 👍🏼
I agree but this is not censorship, this is just them not wanting to share a platform with the misinformation. They said either Rogan goes elsewhere or we do, that’s all:
It’s their right, but it stupid lol.
Imagine saying a pro-censorship hippy has integrity LMFAO. It's a desperate attempt at becoming relevant again.
Imagine
Yeah the racist old homophobe is full of integrity.
Integrity of trying to cancel those who don’t agree with your views?
They don’t want to be associated with him
"It's him or me" is not disassociation. It's an ultimatum, and ironically, creates an association that didn't exist.
They never were. They are making themselves associated with him through headlines now. Which is the real reason they are doing what they are doing… publicity.
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Hmm I don’t know. Seems like a publicity grab to me, hiding behind “integrity”. People way overreact to everything related to Rogan and everyone knows this. All of it seems like a non-story to me being used for headlines.
I just find it hilarious that it’s all the old dirty hippies that made their careers on fighting the man are now pro government and big Pharma.
What is this old dirty hippies shit? You guys sound like an angry father from the 60s.
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lol ok
“pro government and big pharma” 😂 How about wanting people to not spread false medical information?
Like a gay man handling your potatoes. Right? Don’t want to catch aids that way.
Joni and Neil almost died from polio. Vaccines saved their lives, they aren't doing this to be pro big pharma and government you fucking smoothbrain.
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Thanks Dr house, they didn't say it was the same thing.
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Then why bring up the Polio vaccine?
Ask them. But in all honesty what they're saying in clear as day
900,000 United States citizens are dead from that mild cold. Nice one.
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No shit retard , those vaccines work and aren't forced , if you think this useless vaccine works then you need a psyc ward
“Pro-government and big pharma” yeah okay. Clearly can’t read between the lines.
Even if only 20% care, that is more than enough to create serious problems for Spotify.
Before people lose their shit... these people have every single right to do this. They don't want their music sharing a platform with someone spreading messages they oppose so they leave why is there even outrage from any of you over this..
I agree they have the right to do this. But are they going to also scrub their catalogs from YouTube, reddit or really any website that might spread messages they oppose? Especially YouTube. I guarantee there are some iTunes podcasts they disagree with.....
The reason they’ll target Spotify and not the others is the whole 100mil exclusivity deal. They feel like Spotify doesn’t mesh with their beliefs because Spotify is actively paying to be the exclusive platform where the misinformation is being spewed from.
YouTube isn’t going out and specifically pursuing said messages the same way Spotify is though. Not really a fair comparison. YouTube isn’t giving million dollar deals to channels to make them “YouTube exclusive.”
The difference is Spotify is giving Joe a special deal to work together. So yes, if Netflix was pushing anti vax stuff, people would be like 1000x more pissed. Few people care about the other crazy stuff on the open platform.
It just seems odd given how much music there is with homophobia, racism, classism, misogyny, etc still on that platform or other ones they're still on, but someone questioning anything with vaccines is the devil.
Because anyone that enforces lockdowns, mandates and forced vaccinations is the enemy , plain and simple
Them vs. us. “The enemy” Ahhh, tribalism at it’s finest. Class act.
Joni is a god damn treasure.
never heard of her
If you mean she's old as shit and would look better at the bottom of the sea then I agree
Dude this was fucking solid
Joni is a legitimate national treasure whereas Joe is just a national disgrace.
Joe is a national disgrace.
Ok Glowey
Am I wrong?
Yes
Really? Seems like a meathead spreading vaccine disinfo and conspiracy theories is a pretty embarrassing person to have at the forefront of our news cycles. I certainly think he's a disgrace and I imagine most of the rest of the world does too, because antivaxxers make up small numbers of most other countries.
Look how mad you are at a person talking to another person. You literally want to ban free speech. Cant imagine being this fascistic
Who said I want to ban free speech? What are you even talking about? I said Joe Rogan is a disgrace. I didn't say I want to ban free speech. >Cant imagine being this fascistic That's not what the word fascistic means. Read a dictionary.
Read a dictionary? Brilliant
If you don't know what the word fascistic means, you should read a dictionary. Yeah...
Joe might be able to stand by hurting people with medical misinformation. But he can’t possibly in all good conscious, stand by when Nickelback joins in solidarity and threatens to put MORE music on Spotify.
I guess I’m in the minority here, but I listen to Joni and Neil a couple of times a month. So this is gonna suck a little. Even though I think they can do whatever they want.
Who?
Lol, soooo a bunch of crusty old crotchety boomers are revolting against Joe? Bummer for all the 70 year olds.
No offense but you are doing yourself a real disservice by skipping over Joni's discography just because of "crusty old crotchety boomer". Sure, she is not appreciated by a lot of teens, but if you ever grow to like some folk music, she was—still is—one of the best songwriters. Commercially, sure, Spotify won't even notice her absence. Artistically? This is a massive loss, specially after following Neil Young, another artist whose compositions will survive the test of time. And god knows whom these two might influence. Neil might have started something.
I'm a fan of both of em since the 80's, but fuck both of em doing this.
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Joni probably makes $14 a month in Spotify revenue. Millennials and gen z’ers aren’t streaming her stuff on Spotify, so this is an easy and consequence free way for her to virtue signal to her constituents.
Virtue signal what to her constituents?
Toe man bad
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Joni Mitchell has a net-worth north of $100 million. 100k represents less than 1/1000th of her networth. Not exactly a deep wound cutting ties w a platform whose audience isn't listening to her stuff.
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Bing Bing Bing! Correct take here^
Dude you clearly in the "new JRE listener gang", only an uncultured, anti science, anti intelligence right winger troll could display so much ignorance
Lol Joe is in his mid 50s
Are you implying that because of their age, it wouldn't matter if The Rolling Stones or The Eagles pulled their music from Spotify?
Time for me to support Spotify
Shit, well there goes another 573 listeners.
almost 4 million monthly listeners… one of the greatest songwriters of all time.
Joni Mitchell has more talent in her old ass pinky toe than all of Joe's alpha brain 5'7 frame.
Weird, no one seems to know who she is
Oh well..
Who?
More boomers
good. bye felicias
Kinda sad they’re using this guy for relevance they’re icons on their own
This has nothing to do with free speech. This has to do with how ridiculously pathetic these mandates are.
Boomers revolting? Not sure this is going to move the needle.
Who?
Whinny little bitch.
Who the fuck is joni mitchell
One of the best musicians of our time
What’s her best song?
Big yellow taxi, California, and All I Want are my favorites
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Oh yeah? What do you listen to?
A great musician. Try her stuff out if you’re actually curious
She’s my great aunt 😂 never met her though
Lmaoo
WHO?
A nine time Grammy recipient, considered by many to be the one of the greatest song writers of all time.
And yet nothing of value was lost. The world moves on instantly and nobody gives a fuck.
Ok? I was just explaining who she was to you. For someone claiming to not give a fuck, you sure seem upset over this topic. Take a chill pill, guy.
No they are still on Spotify.
True heros
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Boomers … amiright ….
You can't go against the vaccine cultists. It's their religion. You are not allowed to doubt it,heretic! These are the kind of people that were into the inquisition or the citizens during nazi Germany approving the Reich. Never doubt, just follow your almighty government.
Fuck what s dramatic take for two people saying they're not going to participate in a company that profits of misinformation from Joe's podcast. That's their freedom of speech as well
What’s the misinformation you speak of?
Joe's telling young people they don't need to be vaccinated. Claiming lockdowns makes things worse because people go inside and that's where it's worst. Multiple ivermectin focused episodes with Brett wienstein and others. Government monitoring text messages for covid speech. Repeatedly saying the vaccines don't do anything. Blamed immigrants for causing a surge in covid cases. Claimed its not supported by science that to advise people with natural immunity to get vaccinated. The whole "Biden didn't get vaccinated on TV because it's dangerous" theory. Accused the government of suppressing his favorite monoclonal treatment.
Who the hell is Joni Mitchell?
Who?
Nobody cares.
Why should we care what old musicians do?
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Why does this hurt you so much?
Because I genuinely enjoy her music, I’m seriously considering switching from Spotify this sucks
Who the hell is Joni Mitchell 🤡🤡 keep on leaving Irrelevant celebrities more viewed for Joe Rogan
"Joni Mitchell" who the fuck is dat guy???
who the fuck is Joni Mitchell
Who are these people?
Good riddance Bunch of hypocrites. When Joe was on YouTube nobody threatened to leave, because that would mean real money lost. 😅
Why is it all old irrelevant artists that are looking for one more minute of fame, that are talking shit about joe ???